CAPTAIN AMERICA: Civil War!!! (first time watching)
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Original Movie: Captain America: Civil War
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Zemo. A true villain. He knew he was no match for the avengers so he destroyed them from within. And succeeded. Amazing character.
Absolutely underrated character and performance. Can't wait to see more from him.
'Amazing character'. Except for the part where they robbed him of literally every single part of him that was connected to his original character. They could have just as easily called him John Doe for as much connection as he had to the actual Zemo. I honestly think Zemo is the worst adaptation in the MCU, and I saw what they did to Mar-Vell
@@TheKyrix82 I’m glad they drove him away from his original character. Zemo in the comics wasn’t as captivating as he was in the movies, and I found myself more invested in this Zemo!
@@bloof5455 I couldn't be less invested in the character. He had literally nothing to link him to the character. Nothing at all. Not an aristocrat. No links to World War 2. Father didn't die fighting Captain America. No real links to Cap himself outside of a generic hatred for the Avengers. This is like if they'd opted to make Hawkeye a Brazilian Sumo Wrestler with electrical powers who never went within 50 feet of a bow. I mean, these characters have existed for the better part of a century now, there are literally thousands of villains to draw from, and new ones are being made ALL the time. It's really not a huge stretch to find SOMEONE they could have used instead of Zemo. Hell, use one of Tony's villains, since despite being a Cap movie Civil War was very much a 'Tony' problem. I mean they couldn't have fucked up the adaptation more if they were actively trying to do it. And because they used Zemo, this basically cost us any chance of having one of Cap's biggest villains ever be adapted. And yes, Steve is out NOW, but that wasn't the case when this was made.
Imagine if the Spider-Man movies were made in such a way that NONE of his iconic villains were able to be used. None of the Sinister Six from any variation at all. Hell, imagine a Batman movie where there was not even the most remote possibility of having 'The Joker' because they already used him in a Green Lantern movie and he was more like Killer Croc in that.
@@TheKyrix82 well they decided hawkeye was a shield agent instead of a low rank criminal who grew up in the circus.......
“He’s my friend.”
“So was I.”
That line, man.
my issue with cap is he acts so wholy but he is a hypocrite in this situation..tony never tries to be more then he really is inside..aka insecure flawed and childish...he is not someone who claims to be a good boy...cap does...as do his fans in the mceu
@@razkable
It hadn't been said or directly shown but Cap also saved Tony from becoming a murder exacting revenge on a man who wasn't really responsible. If Tony kill Bucky then and there, he wouldn't be able to comeback as a hero we know and love up until he ultimately saved the universe in Endgame.
@@CrossXaberS i think that's what makes the scene/fight so heartbreaking to me: that there was no possible good ending. i'm actually a really big fan of their relationship (particularly in the comics/tv shows) so it makes me sad to see how they ended up in the mcu.
i hate buck i don’t care
@@CrossXaberS it isn't like they had never killed before. Tony would have been more of an avenger since he would have avenged his parents' death.
Keep in mind Tony went from not knowing the details of his parents deaths to watching their murders play out in front of him with utterly no warning or preperation. Rationality is going to take a back seat.
@Trevor Rogert Was that really, very, super necessary?
@@megasauruss he really managed to bring politics in over a captain America movie like how🤣
@Trevor Rogert boohoo dem libs are takin me gunz an’ me freedum...
Seriously, if that was an attempt at being funny, you failed. If it was an attempt at being witty, you failed. If it was an attempt at looking intelligent, you failed utterly. What even was the point of your comment?
@@jordinagel1184 Getting attention, which you three gave him. Don't give him what he wants, just read the comment, chuckle, and move on.
Tony and Co were right the whole time, Cap was wrong. They were criminals
When Wanda was dropping cars on Tony, she injured his left arm permanently. RDJ kept that going for the rest of the MCU, always nursing an aching left arm in every movie after this.
oh wow i have to go back to the later movies (again) to check that out. i remember he messed with his arm in the beginning of infinity war and i think he has a sling in the beginning of endgame right? :(
wow
Exhibit A: 20:40
Consistency is the reason people love this universe.
That's the power of letting all of the characters have a lot of control over their own story arcs. Marvel is the best at continuity and letting everyone have input. They all iteratively shape the movie along the way, and the reshoots after primary shooting don't just improve existing scenes, they also make the new movie version evolve out of the old one.
Lagos: For when you make a mess you didn’t mean to.
how did I not catch that until now
I loved the way all the advertisings of WandaVision were nods to the MCU movies. It was SO well done :D
In Cap voice " I understood that reference"
haha nice!
No discussions of phase 4 please! I REALLY wanna see Natalie's reaction.
The BIG CITY TITLES were put in kind of as a joke, as Marvel had been criticized for making the titles too small in a previous movie. Now every time I see them I'm reminded the execs have a sense of humour.
@Trevor Rogert why?
Woah didn't know that. 🤣
Thanks
Holy shit! I didn't realize it was a response to fan complaints. I actually really liked the aesthetic of those large letters, and it's definitely great on steaming because you can scroll through looking for those huge letters to find the beginning of new scenes.
@@cumincalamity9867 That's because it wasn't. It was a choice by the Russo brothers. It was partly to make each location change seem vital but mostly it was a set up for QUEENS to take advantage of fans knowledge of Spiderman and get people hyped that he was about to come onscreen. It had zero to do with fan complaints. I have no idea where that came from.
@@uosdwiSrdewoH
Well damn.... that's the last time I trust some random UA-cam commenter.
Thank you for setting me straight, random UA-cam commenter.
:-)
At the end of the Iron Man v Cap fight when Tony flinches, because he thinks Steve is going for the kill is one of the most heartbreaking scenes of that movie.
it really lends credibility to tony's line in endgame ("no trust, liar") between him and steve. just heartbreaking.
Tony was very much going for the kill, so he expected Steve would do the same. In that moment, Steve took the high road and proved himself the better man.
@@Slays_Media lol , Tony had several Chances to kill cap , in fact he was trying to kill Bucky while ignoring Steve .
@@Slays_Media yeah steve totally took the high road by lying to tony and was the better man for it huh. he was absolutely right to withhold that information from a teammate who he constantly told to trust him, and then broke his trust. absolutely stellar behavior.
That's what separates him from walker
GEEK NOTE-The blonde female winter soldier is Scarlett Johanssons' stunt double, who does all her flips and leg moves
More impressive? Her name is Heidi Moneymaker.
@@fallofcamelot And she's got a sister named Renae who is also a stunt-woman who doubles Brie Larson and Evangaline Lilly. She also stunt-doubles Jennifer Lawrence in the X-men movies, and is doubling for Hailiee Steinfeld (Kate Bishop) in the new Hawkeye TV series.
Total badass :)
all the winter soldiers except bucky were stunt doubles for the actors.
Halfway through...
Natalie: "Oh, I hate to see them fight like this."
Us: "Uhm... Yeah, about that."
"I can do this all day..."
😑
@@amanibob1416 "yeah, i know, i know.."
@@paulgibbons1366
Just saying...
First time we heard him say that, he was literally unfit for military service.
This time?
Tony Stark downloaded cheat codes into a power armor to lay him down and yet the guy *won* .
Love both caracters, adore this movie.
Rambling over. Going back to IRL stuff. 😅
Ps: "This *is* ... America's ass."
Still makes me smirk.
@@amanibob1416 Well actually i was just using the Endgame reposte to himself, wrong film i know but you are right sir.
@@amanibob1416
Am recalling his 2nd battle with the Afghani guerillas in the 1st movie. He deployed projectile weapons that destroyed armored vehicles and killed combatants. He may not have had that kind of armament in this suit. But the opponents he was up against in this movie weren't of that type. This was about disabling. He wanted to fry his parents' killer. But he was only trying to disable.
My favorite part is when Ant-Man says, "Hey it's Captain America!" and turns to Wanda and says, "I know you too, you're great!". And the next shot is Wanda in the background trying to hold in a smile.
Up to that point, she's been doubting herself and it's a nice moment to see how an innocent, random remark by Scott, had a nice impact on her.
i always assumed because of how fast the cut is, that elizabeth laughed during that take or almost did
Scott meeting Steve would definitely be me in that situation. “Thinks for thanking of me”. “Now I’m shaking your hand too long”. lol, I love Scott! 😂
Knowing Paul Rudd, she probably really was struggling to stay in character, but I agree that it does make for a good character moment.
@@amysinyard2239 "I know you know a lot of super people, so... thinks for thanking of me!"
@@Jzombi301 Oh yeah! I forgot the first bit.
"I would love to see Steve cry"
Skips Steve crying while carrying Peggy's coffin
Reaction video was very very dissapointing
different editor
@@maxim196 Yeeeah, what the heck. We didn't even get to see reactions to most of the airport fight, like giant man and whatnot. I get there's the patreon full video, but come on now.
@@maxim196 The best moments were cut for sure. The "I don't care he killed my mom", the "let's kick his ass", the "where you from kid?", etc.
@@BrokenGodEnt “I REMEMBER ALL OF THEM”
One nice touch is that Bucky looks exhausted every time he knows there's a fight coming.
This is a perfect illustration of why I dislike trailers. You were genuinely surprised to see Black Panther and Spider-man, which is a feeling we were robbed of when they were revealed in trailers and press releases.
Yep. If I already know I want to watch a movie, I flatly refuse to watch its trailers.
Actually, I MUCH preferred the reveal of Spider-Man in the trailer. It was the greatest trailer reveal I’ve ever experienced, when he suddenly appears. In the movie, it’s just like “Hi you’re Peter Parker? Spider-Boy, right? Hey come fight with me or whatever.” Very anticlimactic. It would have been much better if maybe he just said “I’ve got another recruit, I’m going to Queens” or whatever, just as a tease, and then we got that epic “Underoos” reveal, it would’ve been way cooler. But since we didn’t get that, I’m glad we have the trailer.
@@ParzivalTheThird I won't argue with that. The "underoos" reveal (unspoiled by trailers) would have been the single greatest moment in the MCU up until that point.
@@bigdream_dreambig Exactly. Like a trailer is basically an advert to sell you on something. If you have already decided you are going to watch something then what is the point watching the trailers. I personally don't get it.
i don't know trailer reveals ae fun, especially if you're at comic con just 250+ peoples raw reactions
"I'm very surprised to watch another Captain America movie again so soon"
- Nat, moments before realising she's been tricked into watching another Avengers movie.
Avengers 2.5
This is a Captain America movie. His character arc is most prominent. But it's almost as much an Iron Man movie, and a Black Panther intro movie, and all the other characters get their moment to shine. It's a remarkable accomplishment.
@@ItsMeBarnaby They called this Captain America b/c he's in the majority of the film compared to the other characters and it's a continuation of the Bucky Barnes storyline.
I have wondered if they ever considered calling it Avengers: Civil War. Or even just Marvel's Civil War. But it really is mainly a Cap movie.
Yeah we only really got 2 real cap movies. I wish they’d kept him around longer
In case you didn't notice, Bucky is slipping between 3 mental states with varying degrees of intact memory. That was some brilliant acting.
Wanda was not controlling Vision's mind, she was controlling his powers. She made him super dense so that his own weight pulled him through the floor.
"Everyone's got a gimmick now"
Says "The Falcon" lol
To be fair, I think the government gave him that name lol
In all fairness, the folder he gave Cap in Winter Soldier when he wanted to help them did say "EXO-7 Falcon" on the cover.
Lol oh yea i get that. And for simplicity's sake i get that it's easier for him to keep it. Just a joke is all.
Falcon with his "bird costume" :D
@@roymorrishx 🤣🤣
The "vengeance is consuming them" scene is one of the best performed scenes in the whole MCU. Great work by Chad and and Daniel Bruhl.
@Vincent Schmitt \x/
It was good. Chadwick was a great choice and it definitely was a moment that proved he was the best choice. But there’s a good amount of dialogue and monologues that are impressive.
Agreed. He will be missed, we lost a true talent.
Rest in power, king.
It's really sad when Tony sees his parents die. But what's truly sad for me is when he asks Bucky if he even remembered them and Bucky answers, "I remember all of them." Imagine remembering all of the people you murdered while Hydra had control of your mind.
That is such a heart-breaking moment, and it flies over most people's heads.
Well if he remembered all of them , he should have just said it to tony man to man , lol . Tony would've taken the news better that way .
Its especially sad when you remember that Howard Stark was involved with Captain America's unit in WW2 as well. Bucky and Howard were probably at least acquaintances. Imagine having no control as you watch your body brutally murder a man you know and respect, and his wife, to benefit the evil group that you both fought a war against.
@@rahilrameez8635 i doubt that would be a good idea
@@rackydacky2660 why would that not be a good idea?
Natalie: "I don't want the movie to have too much tension...."
Title of movie: Captain America: C I VI L W A R
i love how while we don't see it the jail break gang had to hide out and live on the lamb like hobos for 1+ year lol...serves them right
Man everything with Chadwick is now just tinged with a bit of sadness.
Yeah, it's an unfortunate thing. Even in "Endgame", it's almost a gut punch that out of all the heroes who got dusted and come back, Black Panther and his squad are the first appear from the portals.
It all just hits different now.
@@thedefinitionisthis You just want to stay in that Portals moment forever.
yeah, he's from my hometown (Anderson, South Carolina) & he did a lot for the communities & kids around here. RIP My King 🙌🔥🍻
Why?
@@glasgowrangers5525 are you serious? Well I mean it could be that he has passed away and now knowing he was already in chemotherapy during the filming of this movie.
A clue to exactly how strong Spider Man is: He catches Bucky's arm and moves it away like nothing.
He's stronger than Captain America. In the comics, Spidey can lift 25 tons and Captain America can lift 5 tons. And it looks like they did the same in the movies, Spidey is stronger than Cap
He's probably stronger than Cap and Bucky.. And sticky, he's sticky too.
@@Khomuna but nowhere near the fighting experience or skill of them which is why he wasn’t neutralized so easy.
yeah, peter is extremely strong but we have to realize that because he's so young at this point and new to this he's a little less strong than normal spider-man (i'm sure he'll mature as movies go on) but even so, he's still amazing
realistically if we had experienced spider-man in this fight the only people he'd have trouble with would be vision and wanda
everyone else he'd beat pretty easily tbh
WAS neutralized
I really love the platonic friendship between Natasha and Steve. When she showed up at Peggy's funeral for Steve despite the mounting tensions over the Sokovia Accords, I got a little teary.
The big name of city text was done to demark the act transitions.
I thought of them more as siblings after Cap America II.
The fact that tony went toe to toe with cap and Bucky kinda shows just how good of a fighter he is, cause honestly most people didn’t think he would have stood a chance, and he did better then lots of people thought
skip to infinity war when tony literally goes toe to toe with Thanos. If Tony had that suit in Civil War he would stomped both cap and bucky easily if he can hold his own against the most powerful being in the MCU so far with that suit.
Yeah I saw this movie in theatres knowing cap would win cause its his movie but that fight really showed how smart of a fighter Tony was. Even when he was losing he used his tech to analyze fight patterns and blew Bucky's arm off. I enjoy that the fight against Iron Man is a fight neither of them could've won alone.
With a suit 😂😂😂
He legit beat Bucky in this movie and only lost cause Cap barely beat him.
"Oh no you're breaking a cop car Steve!"
"OH NO YOU'RE STEALING A COP CAR STEVE"
Borrowing. ;)
Actual criminal Steve G. Rogers 🎶
his merely commandering it like Jack Sparrow would say.
That's nothing, Steve was apparently a serial car thief in the original Cap movie. The old, pull over I'm sick and then I steal your car trick works everytime!
@@cheeseburger12 Yeah, I remember those scenes from the 1990 Captain America movie:! So funny.
Surprised she didn’t include her reaction to the line, “He’s my friend.” “So was I.” Since that got the biggest reaction in the theatre when I saw it. I would have expected it to hit her the hardest.
i like how tony says he killed my mom..not dad...
i can tell she's more of a steve fan than a tony one, so i'm not super surprised. personally, that couplet of lines hit me really hard and i had always thought people would be able to empathize with that feeling of betrayal...
@@nebullae Yeah, she constantly calls Tony childish. Like he had a panic attack and she called him childish. I fking can’t.
@@PantsuMaster literally, it's so weird???? you would never say that about someone who had a panic attack in real life but somehow it's okay to say about tony stark? i bet the justification is because he's so cHiLdiSh and has a bIG eGo but like... that's messed up. regardless of how a person is/was like, you don't insult them like this.
You sort of see the bias in his GotG2 reaction. Complains that aliens are too durable and strong but says nothing about Cap using nothing but his muscles to stop a helicopter. Sorta reminds me of that one guy who said he disliked Gamora cuz “it’s unrealistic for a woman to beat a man”, and basically his entire list of his least fav characters per movie were just women.
Steve learned that the Winter Soldier was responsible for Howard's death in the exposition dump from Arnim Zola in the previous Captain America movie. It was a blink and you miss it moment.
I mean, he learned that Howard and Maria had been killed by Hydra. As he says here, he didn't know it was Bucky although if he applied his mind to it, he probably could have made an educated guess (he probably very pointedly avoided thinking about it)
@@adamhughes4387 wait, didn't he say "yes" after tony presses him? i've always thought that he was lying to sorta save his ass with the initial "no", then when tony presses him he reluctantly admits that he knew all along. i figured he learned the truth during one of his missions to recover intel.
@@nebullae Yes Steve knew that Tony’s patents were possibly murdered. He found out it was Bucky at the same time Tony did. I never got why people wanted Steve to tell Tony something that couldn’t be confirmed. The confirmation and the Bucky reveal happened for Steve basically at the same time Tony found out. The whole point of Civil War was that neither party was completely right or wrong.
@@deeisfocused9275 yes this
@@deeisfocused9275 it's more like - Rogers didn't have the smoking gun that proved it, but he had enough information to go digging to get the confirmation had he really wanted to. Stark blamed Rogers for not doing his due diligence in finding out Bucky's role in the murder.
"he grabs onto things. he's very stubborn."
you mean like how cap spent 2 entire movies chasing after someone he thought was dead for years
5 years on and Civil War remains my favourite in the MCU.
same here...
Seconded
5 years, damn...
I did not watch it in cinemas but I watched it pretty shortly after the DVD release I think...
I think it's my second. Endgame was just so good. Plus Zimo got what he wanted by pure luck. If the Avengers changed one thing they did, his plan fails. And he's not some super genius. He's just a very hurt, angry guy.
Started re-watching it yesterday to heat up for Falcon Winter Soldier!
A lot of people called this avengers 2.5
Pretty much, although since it's centered on Cap's story it's def still a Cap movie
To be honest, any Cap movie will feature multiple Avengers given that they make up 90% of his social circle
It's so dumb, i hate it when people look at something so surface level. "Uuuh it has multiple heroes it's an avengers rip off it's just the same 🤪😱"
@@michaelandrews117 Exactly, and even more so since Cap is such a team-centered guy. It would be super weird to watch a Captain America movie in which he went by things alone.
@@michaelandrews117 A non-Avengery social group for Cap... I'm imaging a Captain America movie where Peggy is old, but still healthy and w/o memory issues. He moves in with with her and three of her friends and it's the Captain America: Golden Girls movie.
Awww I wanted to see you react to Tony saying “I don’t care, he killed my mom”
Yeah, and also the "so was I..." line
that line is when you realize tony is right 100%..he had no clue and is reacting in the moment to something he was not prepared to see....its brutal man to find out your friend is a liar...what do people expect him to do?..its not just a friend..its his parents...like come on...
it's kind of annoying that they didn't include most of the lines that could be seen as sympathetic towards tony's side in this video... because regardless of which side you were on, you were shown both of their viewpoints. and it's doubly irritating when she makes that comment about tony still being a child who can't let stuff go like lmao... he just watched his parents get murdered. it's not CHILDISH to react with anger when you see such a traumatic, tragic thing.
@@nebullae agreed - both men were in the wrong & both had good reasons for the side that they were on: being a SuperHero doesn't always make you a perfect _person_. In fact, it makes it very hard to be such a person, as each of them shows at some stage during the story arcs.
Cap beating the shit out of Tony - "omg Tony stop"
Fun fact .. Sharon Carters eulogy at Peggie's funeral was lifted straight from the comic .. but Steve gave that speech to Spiderman.
I'm sorry you didn't include the moment when Cap asks Peter where he's from, and you can see how much Cap approves of the fact that Peter is a fellow New Yorker.
What's funny about Spider-man in "Civil War" is the fact that he's in Team Iron Man even though his way of seeing things is more in line with Cap's. When Tony meets Peter he says to Tony "when you can do the things that I can, but you don't, and then the bad things happen, they happen because of you". That line made Tony think about it, because Peter is basically deffending the same principles Steve was while discussing the accods. I always saw that brief moment of Tony thinking about that line as him realising he's manipulating that kid into going against his own beliefs unknowingly.
@@georgezee5173 Exactly. Also I love that it's Peter akwardly fumbling through the concept of, "with great power comes great responsibility" in his own words. Amazing Spider-Man kind of did a similar bit with Uncle Ben tiptoeing around the gist of the line without literally saying it, but I thought that came off as kind of unintentionally funny. This was a great, genuine moment, especially for Peter's introduction to the MCU.
Endgame Spoilers included
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The thing is even when they are fighting you can see how much respect Tony and Steve have for each other.
Steve didn't have any respect for Tony in any of the movies. If he did, he wouls tell him the truth and not berate him for keeping secrets in AoU. Tony lost the respect to Steve the moment he learnes Steve lied to him about his aprents death
@@euphoriapotion2075 🙄 yes Steve knew that Tony’s patents were possibly murdered. He found out it was Bucky at the same time Tony did. I never got why people wanted Steve to tell Tony something that couldn’t be confirmed. The confirmation and the Bucky reveal happened for Steve basically at the same time Tony found out. The whole point of Civil War was that neither party was completely right or wrong
Lol I love everyone’s reaction to the massive font for locations! But it was 100% just for the moment when QUEENS came up because Spider-Man fans immediately know what that means. Worth it!
I think it's really important to note that Tony didn't find out who killed his parents. He found out that his parents were assassinated. He had always believed that it was just a car accident. So... yeah, finding out that not only were his parents NOT killed in an accident, but that they were murdered by the guy standing right next to him. I'd say his reaction was entirely reasonable.
period. so many people forget that tony's character consistently encounters traumatic event after traumatic event, and that even if he had a strained relationship with his father, he loved his mother very much ("he killed my mom").
Idk why more people don’t understand this. I can’t imagine the rage and pain I would feel if that was me.
@@Cheersbabe91 100%. people on the other side always say tony acted completely irrationally and shouldn't have reacted the way he did... you mean, he shouldn't have been upset that his parents were murdered?? shouldn't have been angry seeing the murderer (whether he was brainwashed or not) standing right in front of him, and learning that his supposed friend knew all this time?? it boggles the mind.
@@nebullae Tony did act irrationally by trying to kill a man for something he had no control over. It's totally in character for Tony to get overwhelmed by his trauma and I understand his reaction but that doesn't make it a rational decision or remotely close to justified. Hydra killed Tony's parents, Bucky was just the weapon they used and is also just as much of a victim.
@@michaelmegson2778 by that logic terrorists should not be killed you know..only the leaders but not the brainwashed terrorists
"I can't control their fear. Only my own."
What is grief
@@akash3464 "... if not love persevering"
Which is an odd statement considering that controlling people's fear is a major part of her abilities
@@bryanalexander7571 I know, right? They have explained like 3 of her powers at this point one of which it controlling fear!
Ahsoka why are you hear this is the wrong universe
Edit: oh the multiverse caused probably by Wanda is probably
Tony: seeing his parent’s getting murdered and get’s betrayed by his friend
**Gets angry**
This girl: oh Tony still a child CaN’T lEt tHinGs gO”
bro wtf?
Ross: "New York..... Soko-"
Tony: "Wait didn't one of you guys launch a nuke at New York??"
yeees exactly like who the hell are they to talk when they allowed a missile launch on damn manhattan
Don't forget Ross created the abomination as well
Yeah they missed some good comebacks there
“The avengers are too dangerous, you always destroy everything and make it worse! Look at New York!”
“You mean when aliens attacked and the government responded by trying to nuke Manhattan?”
“Well what about Washington DC?!”
“When a corrupt government organization attempted to commit mass genocide against innocent people and we saved millions of lives? I’m sorry there was some metal in the river.”
“But Lagos was bad too!!!”
“When Wanda saved a few hundred people on the ground but indirectly killed 11 people instead? Plus that bomb would have likely knocked down that building if she hadn’t done anything, killing those people anyway”
“Well we names the accords after Sokovia! That one was the worst!”
“Yeah fair point, that was kinda Tony’s fault despite the fact that he was trying to help. And for the record, we heavily prioritized saving civilians, over pretty much anything else, to the point that all of us agreed that we weren’t leaving anyone behind and would die trying if we had to.”
“But...but...but...avengers bad!!!”
“We may have contributed to some messes, but we’ve collectively saved the planet half a dozen times, and the government has a habit of responding by trying to kill the people we try to save, maybe you need to be put in check instead.”
Actually that was shIeld (Hydra). Its explained better in the show
Lot of character development. Rogers, the good soldier, refuses to take orders. Stark, the rebel, wants to fall in line. Compare this to Stark in front of Congress in Iron Man 2.
Actually he refused to sign the Accords. That's not refusing an order. And a soldier has the duty (American ones, anyway) to refuse unlawful orders.
I don’t disagree, I’m just seeing there’s a lot of character development that makes the rule breaker (Stark) want more rules and the rule follower (Rogers) wants to do not follow the rules. Both characters evolve to their Civil War positions because of the prior movie events in some ways going all the way back to both Iron Man, when Stark rejects the military, but starts associating with SHIELD and Rogers disobeying orders to rescue the captured soldiers.
It’s great! Cap and Tony’s character arcs actually cross over each other!
Yep. In the framework of D&D, the Lawful Good paladin has become untrusting of authority, and the Chaotic Good artificer has come to doubt his ability to make good choices.
@@Caseytify Not signing isn't all he did. Hence, War Machine's "congratulations" line.
I really do like how we see Tony's character consistency. Thinking on, he only really developed a proper empathetic mindset during Iron Man 1, which happened during trauma. His dramatic overcorrections have been consistent as well, from Iron Man 1 where he ended a massive part of his company's production (weapons), and literally flew across the world to stop terrorists that America wouldn't, to Iron Man 3, where he blows up his entire fleet of suits for catharsis.
I fully suspect that General Ross knew about Tony's psychological profile, and arranged for the woman with the photo to be backstage at his speech, knowing that Tony would dramatically overcorrect right into the accords that Ross wanted.
'Thunderbolt' Ross is nowhere near as menacing in these movies as he should be. William Hurt is a very poor substitute for Sam Elliot.
Not consistent. He didn't become a worthless coward until Civil War.
@@Spottedfeather In what way was Tony cowardly?
@@Kjf365 he supported having the heroes register with the government just because of who they are. That's awfully Hitler-ish.
And cap is just as much of a coward. He knew who killed Tony's parents but didn't tell him because he was a coward and wanted to protect his friend.
@@Spottedfeather Not hearing any cowardice in those statements. Please elaborate.
"Tony I know that you're upset and this is devastating news but-"
See this is where you're wrong. Imagine if you thought your parents died in a car crash. You never really knew your father and dearly loved your mom. Then you meet the man your father talked about a lot, the man that knew your father. And then this man's friend killed both of your parents.
Besides the video being very gruesome if you imagine that being real people but it also triggered PTSD. All in all Tony's reaction is absolutely realistic and understandable
Natalie,
When you finally get to Endgame, make sure you watch the credits and appreciate them. Just enjoy the music and wait for a special tribute to start rolling. You don't be disappointed :)
Natalie: All the relationships in the MCU creep me out
"I love Falcon and Buckys Relationship"
"Loki is my favorite character overall"
Disney Plus: 👀👀👀
The bro nod when Cap kisses Sharon cracks me up every time.
@@dmidkif she will be her daughter in relation if he married peggy carter🤣🤣🤣
@@Xavier-vn7ud *niece
but yeah, still creepy
The thing that blows me away is Chadwick Bosman was fighting Cancer even while filming this movie. The man was a Legend
@Vincent Schmitt I'm sorry to hear about your Mother. I lost my Mother to Cancer as well
I THINK he was diagnosed with cancer during the Black Panther movie.
My Mom died from colon cancer too.
My step dad, uncle, and aunt died from cancer too. Colon cancer is actually partially to be blamed by people drinking mouthwash, and not just gargling with it. My stepfather used to drink mouthwash all the time (and he was college edjumacated too).
@@Leon-wz1js no...he was diagnosed around 2016 to 3rd stage cancer....civil war was filmed in 2015 mostly and black panther came out in 2018....also my deep condolences man...Cancer is the worst
@@maxim196 Okay. It was suggested it was after civil war, but I wasn't sure how long after. I note things happening to others, but tend to steer clear of personal news.
Thanks. I've lived most of my life without death, but I've lost a good chunk of family in the last 12 years, and I didn't note old age and alzheimers.
Honestly, cancer is bad, but in my opinion, death is the worst, but it's inevitable. So...
and not to detract from others in this thread who said they have family who died. I was merely commiserating, by saying I had family with cancer too. My condolences to those of you, too.
@@Leon-wz1js Luckly I dont have dead family members to Cancer...I ....never want to experience such a pain . Even just thinking sbout 'saying goodbye' to my grandparents one day stresses me out . Also thats good that you shared your piece of personal information with strangers online ....people may not know you but ...you could feel better letting something out and reciving support and a few good words .Hang in there
I like how Tony is "stubborn and holds on to things" when he has just found out that a man murdered his parents in cold blood and Cap is honorable for protecting the guy responsible for it, even if it wasn't Bucky in control, you've got to understand Tony's emotions in that moment
Well the irony is you can say Steve is also "Stubborn and holds on to things". He doesnt think reasonably about Buckys situation.
...and that's how I went round and round for six months arguing motivations on CACW in comment sections. I'll not be doing that here. I wanted to, tho.
Exactly, calling Tony a child was so stupid. She loves to throw that word around a lot. Like when he had anxiety and she just calls it childish.
I actually like that she has such a different viewpoint. She seems to at least be consistent in not wanting people to die. Even the Nazi from X-Men First Class, she didn't want Erik to kill. I wouldn't want someone like her to be, say, a leader of a country or anything. But as a UA-camr, I think it's fine.
@@flappysquirrel5132
A non sequitur...love the Garfield avatar for your UA-cam channel. Your username also appeals to my sense of whimsy.
Everyone would do exactly what Tony did at the end, so relatable and so flawed. Love him
Captain America wouldn't
@@insertnamehere2746 be quiet and get off UA-cam u captain America simp.
This, Winter soldier and Infinity War is my top MCU movies.
i think the whole development from winter soldier to endgame is a treat
Same, infinity war being my fav
endgame is my favorite
Yep. I give Winter Soldier top slot.
The Russos' entries to the MCU all essentially take my top-spots. For me personally, it's Endgame, Infinity War, Civil War, and Winter Soldier. Just my personal preference, but i LOVE all their entries to the MCU as a whole.
Peggy's quote that Sharon used at the funeral was actually word for word a Captain America quote from the comics.
A quote he said to Spiderman. It's a shame they didn't have the same relationship they share in the comics. Still pretty salty about it.
Not word for word, it was a paraphrasing of a Mark Twain quote. Unfortunately how they did it in the movie, made it lose a lot of its power
@@240Ldemon I agree. I was happy to see a nod to that speech (which is maybe the BEST speech I've read in comics), but it was abbreviated from the comic, and not nearly as inspiring.
It's a dangerous quote when said to the wrong person in the wrong situation. I know people who always believe they know what's best, even when everyone around them can see things more clearly. The whole universe told Thanos to move and he said "No. You move."
@@CandleLight129 That is a fair point, but if you really look at any inspirational quotes, I expect that same criticism would apply to most of them. The devil is always in the details. I think you should stand on your own judgement if you really have looked at both sides of an issue and come to an unpopular conclusion, BUT when you are so certain that you are right that you force your point of view upon others, that is where most real problems happen.
Zemo is one of my favorite villains. He was able to destroy the Avengers from the inside without using a punch. For the next avengers its reallyyyyy important since they arent together because of Zemo. Hes great.
The speech that Sharon gives in the funeral, is lifted from a comic book speech that Captain America gave Spider-Man.
"I hope Bucky and Cap get back together quickly"
And then she watches the Tension build and build. . ;)
Today we're watching Captain America: Civil War... :)
yes I smirked a little
Nat is a Stucky fan!
@@RichardBarclay is she rlly?
In my personale opinion, the death of Howard and Maria Stark. Is the most brutal scene in the MCU.
Right yo wasn’t going crazy on them😂😂
*was
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@@carsontucker885 i wanted to write that too
The nerdy version of Oprah is now how I’m going to refer to Tony as.
"No ones a match for him right now, he's angry"
*Literally getting his ass kicked by black panther*
I still remember seeing this for the first time and seeing “QUEENS” appear. I freaked out!
Queens = Spider-Man
Yes, I am also a Coming to America fan...oh wait. That's not what you meant. sorry.
Yup me too. That was the pay off for the large title cards. Also every film has them small at the bottom of the frame. Quite easy to miss so why not make them big and bold. As CinemaWins said this movie jumps a round a lot so big title cards informs us of a new chapter. We can reset and know this is a different part. It works really well imo.
I think the best part of this movie was they way that they made it possible to sympathise with both sides. Simply brilliant writing and acting by all concerned.
She's going through over a decade's worth of films so casually.
I had to grow up waiting for them. It's so strange how time flows isn't it?
i watched them all for the first time in like a week back at the beginning of lockdown.
@@leilanibelanger9937 I'm happy for you! It gave people something to do during lockdown. I was/still am working during the whole thing at Walmart. I hope you enjoyed them!
Me: *Excited to see Natalie's reaction to Giant-Man*
Also me: 😭
This comes close to being an Avengers movie but no Hulk or Thor. I was disappointed that you cut out my favorite part: the appearance of Giant-Man. Stunning effect.
Ditto, but she has to leave some perks to joining Patreon
@@Leon-wz1js like 80%....editing was horrible
@@maxim196 oh really? Kinda of surprising since I like this editing opposed to others
@@Leon-wz1js it skipped around so much iconic scenes...the whole airport fight was skipped
@@maxim196 well, as I said, Patreon perks?
Natalie: (screaming) "Oh my god, we're seeing BLACK PANTHER in this movie?!"
Me: (getting out my shooter's ear protection) "Oh boy, this movie is gonna get LOUD!" 😜😂😁
Haha, that sort of neared the "only dogs can hear it" scale. 🤣
For someone who knew nearly nothing about Marvel before she started watching these movies, it warms a fan's heart to see her excitement at the Panther's appearance here. She's really invested now.
Hahaha so true
I put on my headphones so my neighbor wouldn't think I was killing another hooker.
@Mickey Mouse I'm just continuing on a similar joke I made on another Natalie video.
I love Ant Man in the airport scene. So many great lines
"Yeah, I'm good Arrow Guy"
"Something just flew in me!"
"Does anyone have any orange slices?"
In the pantheon of Marvel Cinematic Villain's, Helmut Zemo is pretty forgotten, but he is the only Villain who won. Totally. He was just a man, no powers, and he took down The Avengers. Pretty wild.
"Do they all live in the same house?" Clearly Nat hasn't read any of the billion "Avengers living in the Avengers Tower as a big happy family" fanfics.
Yep.
It's not like Wanda or Vision have day jobs.
no way. where?
Or, as I like to called them, the "I Confused The Avengers With The Fantastic Four" fanfics.
wait... they don't?!
Natalie: "We have to protect Wanda, she's so innocent!"
Wanda: **"You don't know me!"**
Why did I hear that in my head like it was from an episode of Rick and Morty?
Yeah I just went...😬
I find Tony’s reaction totally reasonable and real. That’s childish, stubborn and holding onto things because he just found out how his parents died, and the cause is standing right next to him. But it’s not stubborn or cap holding onto things, him literally willing to do anything, go against anyone, break however many laws that would make him a criminal just to save/protect his friend. But Tony needs to not be a child after seeing his mom get chocked and dad punched to death. Okay got it
Cap and Nat are one of the best examples of plutonic love in modern cinema. Love the big/little sister & big/little brother thing they have going on.
Natalie sounds like a person trying to stop two dogs from fighting when Steve and Bucky go at it. It's too funny. Bad superheroes! No! You love each other. Sit! We're going to the vet if you don't stop.
You are right and I cannot argue with this reasoning.
"I didn't expect to see Black Panther in this!"... Yeah, Natalie... about that... There's another surprise coming for ya :-)
*Q U E E N S*
@@3Rayfire Damn...beat me to the comment LOL!
Underroos!!!!!!
@@kggresham Are those still around, or is that a reference that only those of us of "a certain age" will understand?
@@bigdream_dreambig Have you seen the movie??? I’m quoting the damn movie.....
I loved nearly everything about this movie, from the acting to the action/fight scenes to the themes. One of my favorite non-action scenes is where Steve & Tony are talking & Tony almost gets him to sign the Accords, but loses him when he mentions Wanda. Great acting in that scene!
18:47 Wait until The Falcon and The winter Soldier series, their chemistry is 100 times better and funniest in this
The final part of the Cap vs. Iron Man fight at the end of this movie is one of the top moments in the whole MCU. With his helmet off, Tony guards his head, protecting against fatal blows. Steve, with no intention of actually killing Tony, takes advantage of this to drive his shield into Tony's arc reactor, disabling the suit. It really speaks to the mental state of these two characters in that moment, particularly how consumed Tony was with lethal intent.
I like how you put that, "consumed...with lethal intent". He really wasn't thinking clearly. At least I hope he wasn't thinking clearly as he tried to murder a tortured and brainwashed POW.
@@lunarweather I really hate the whole "Team Iron man" side because they try to excuse Tony going on a murderous rampage while whining that Steve lied. Which was lying by omission at best. After all, no one else told him either, like Natasha or Fury. They also ignore the issues with the Accords completely. Accords that breaks international law and the Geneva convention. It is also against the American Constitution. Not to mention that an international agreement like an accord isn't actually legally binding. Even EU needs to have many laws ratified by the member nations before they take effect. And unlike the United Nations EU is a political body. I also can't help but considering all the dictatorships present in the UN that would drool at the allowances of the Sokovia Accords.
Okay, rant over
@@lunarweather he certainly wasn't thinking clearly. Tony is a troubled and haunted man. And I have sympathy for him in terms of how he felt with what happened to his parents. But in the end, he had to be stopped. Cap may be a liar, a huge liar since even before he officially served the federal government in WW2, but he is a good man who is just trying to reach his arm down the mountain to save Bucky. He couldn't save Bucky back then, but he could save him now. Ans that is why Tony needed to be stopped.
That moment when Bucky and Sam both smile is what we like to call “Bro Approval.” 👍
nope, still Team!Tony. didn't expect Natalie to support him of course so just had to suffer through 😩
I still think that the Accords were a good idea, just that it would have been better to agree for the panel to give the Avengers regular interviews to see if their judgement was acceptable.
I mean losing your parents is not a freaking weakness, we'd all do the same in his shoes. And if anyone says they won't, well let's see what happens when they lose the things they love, and see if they have the same mindset...
I disagree cuz Tchalla managed to keep his emotions together knowing his dad just died.
@@yeeyee. but in the end he didn't
I'm surprised she didn't show the scene where Any Man becomes a giant and Peter pulls him down like an AT-AT.
...or the reference to "that really old movie?"
@@Caseytify Natalie is young enough to also consider it a "really old movie".
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Drunk Natalie watching movies in the future? Lol
Untraceable 2008 (Swedish Sub.) what movie name
So many UA-camrs I see get sponsored by tech or grooming companies. It's nice to see something different.
I tried, but I'm in Canada and they won't ship here sadly
Curious how you don't get copywright strikes and get demonetised by showing film footage?
Fun Fact: Dead guy at 20:00 is one of the directors of this film. He usually makes cameos in the MCU films he's involved with.
I love how emotionally invested you are in the characters, your reactions are always almost exactly what my own reactions were sitting in the movie theater when these movies first released. It's really something special to watch someone with thoughts so similar to my own!
This is where the MCU really starts hitting it's stride!!!
The reason I love Black Panther in the MCU and comics: If Tony Stark and Reed Richards are the smartest in the marvel U, T'Challa is the wisest and most morally centered.
RIP Chadwick.
IMHO, the MCU really hit it's stride with Guardians of the Galaxy and Captain America The Winter Solider.
After GotG and Ant-Man, they gained so much more confidence in trying out more unique stuff in Phase 3. They allowed James Gunn, Ryan Coogler, Taika Waititi and Jon Watts have full control over the type of tone they wanted in their respective films and being more risky in their shift in styles, instead of playing it safe like Thor 2 or Age of Ultron did.
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He's also the wealthiest character in any comic book! Bruce Wayne and Tony Stark are peasants in comparison
It is sad though, because they have announced they will not be recasting T'challa.
20:54 “It breaks his heart because Barnes isn’t the guy that killed his dad.”
Well, not *his* dad.
haha I was thinking the SAME thing!
"I wouldn't like that; if someone told me I couldn't go to the grocery store I'd be like, 'What?!?'"
*gestures broadly at everything*
I scream laughed at you telling "bucky you stop it right now! Stop it! "
" I wouldn't like that if someone was like 'mm mm you can't go to the store.'"
*cries in 2020*
Natalie: Posts civil war reaction
Me: I AM SPEED
"Running in the 90s plays on the background"
Damn i wanted to make a ralph joke but it got community guidelined 😂
Tony *sees his parents brutally murdered by bucky*
Natalie "you're still a child, can't let things go"
When Tony said "I don't care, he killed my mom"
I was totally on Team Iron Man
Bros may be forever, but mom comes first.
So say they were brainwashed/mind controlled to do it. Would you want the person that had no control or would you prefer to go after the people that controlled that person and forced them to murder your parent?
Tony should be wanting to wreck hydra not barnes.
@@scottb3034 as Tony said... "I don't care, he killed my mom"
@@MisterW0lfe I wasn't talking about him. I was talking about your broad statement bros may be forever but mom comes first.
If your "bro" killed your mom but they had no control over it would you go after the bro or the people that forced the bro to do it?
Tony was in the wrong anyway for trying to kill the last victim in that incident.
@@scottb3034 both
@@scottb3034 both
Can we just take a moment to appreciate how hard it was to balance this many characters this well. Besides Cap v Ironman, literally every character is given a "Shining Hero Moment"...
Carter - gets equipment back
Nat - stops black panther
Spiderman - steals shield
Black panther - can't catch anyone until the end when HE actually catches the real villain
I also love how they casually show how strong Spider-Man is. Catching a punch from Bucky's robotic arm with EASE!
strength equivalent of a spider. I believe the Marvel listing for his strength is he can lift 10 tons.
@@andrewbrzezinski915 yes, roughly that, but he can lift up to 300 tons in the comics when he has to (which I think is silly to set two standards but who am I to argue lol. Holding a ship together and stopping a train kind of showcases that.
@@user-ty5di3ku6o yes agreed in those situations though he is literally ripping himself apart and pushing way beyond what he is supposed to be capable of. In the comics he gets chosen to be for a very short time cosmic spidey as he is the only one worthy enough at the specific time and place to have the power. He is without a doubt one of the most in the comics experienced heroes and most worthy for a lot of things, i.e power cosmic, Thor's powers etc. He taught a group of mutants how to stop Juggernaut. They made sure he gives up a lot to help others and losses so much throughout every writers run.
Nat - the energy you output to the world is amazingly positive and priceless. We need more people like you, without a doubt.
Please keep being yourself, and putting it on video. That energy is so amazing, it makes me well up.
Bucky DID kill Tony's parents. The guy pretending to be Bucky was just for the bomb at the Accords. Bucky was absolutely responsible for assassinating Tony's parents.
"Those are innocent people's cars!"
Yeah, that's what I thought too. haha.
"I guess the suit is bulletproof"
*insert previous scene where he stands there amidst a hail of helicopter fire"
To be fair, bad guys in action movies are notoriously bad shots. It's a tradition that dates back to the Star Wars stormtroopers -- and maybe earlier.
@@bigdream_dreambig but you hear the bullets ricochet off his suit so they were hitting him😂😂😂
Natalie is about as bad, just about everything misses her.
Cap and Stark arguing about wanda are like divorced parents XD
Screams “oh tony, just stop!!” As he’s literally doing nothing but getting his ass beat and captain America throws him around lmao. Uhhh pretty sure you’re yellin at the wrong person
Except Tony was trying to kill and Steve was just trying to stop him.
@@valaport not during the moment I was referencing so....
Bucky wasn’t the cause of Tony’s parents’ death, he was the method.
Like being angry at the gun instead of the guy pulling the trigger.
The 'tool' would be more accurate but yeah they basically wiped out his mind and used his body as a weapon, nothing else.
@@I_Use_Soap yea except a gun is not a living breathing thing sitting in the room with u
@@BiggestWolf1 a purpose of brainwashing can be to ensure the entirety of control over said living, breathing thing. When conditioned to not act on your own free will, existence becomes increasingly like that of an inanimate object. 🤷🏻♀️
while I completely understand that Bucky himself wasn't 'responsible for the choice to kill Tony's parents, the fact that Steve knew and withheld that information means Tony imo was completely justified in responding how he did. Ultimate betrayal.
Rhodey: "It's all fun and games until someone loses a spine."
I like that you came into this movie not knowing Black Panther and Spider-Man would be involved.
Cap and Black Widow both found out Hydra killed Tony's parents in "CA: The Winter Soldier". Dr. Zola (the computer brain) told them. For whatever reason they decided not to tell Tony. Cap didn't know Bucky was "the weapon" Hydra used, til this movie.
It blows me away how many people think Cap is a jerk for keeping that info secret from Tony. They are friends. If I learned that my friends parents, who he thought died in an accident, were instead brutally murdered, I'm not sure I'd share that detail with them either. It seems cruel. Especially since by that point Hydra is already public, and they are going to be taking them down anyways.
They didn't tell Tony because they knew that his immature, self-obsessed self wouldn;t be able to handle it. They thought he might go off half-cocked and cause a bunch of trouble. Imagine that. You never go wrong underestimating Tony's maturity level.
@@KS-xk2so It blows me away how many people don't think Cap is a jerk for keeping that info secret from Tony. They are supposed to be friends. And now cap is protecting his parent's killer, who should face justice.
@@Glisern Hydra is his parents killer. Bucky was brainwashed and had zero free will, he's just a weapon. If someone shot your parents, would you be mad at the gun, or the person who pointed it at your parents and pulled the trigger?
@@Glisern Hydra is the murderer, Bucky was used as their tool.
Angry Tony was using lethal force. Not only was Cap saving Bucky's life, Cap was also saving Tony from becoming a murderer.
Watching her not realize what the story was about, was both hilarious and frustrating cause as a Marvel nerd, I knew the story as soon as it was announced and the whole movie I was scared because the comic story is the story of Captain America’s death
In this film, I'm team Cap. These guys risk their lives everyday to protect the world and the only thing the people do is complain about property damages as an excuse. Cap knows that in times of conflict, people will die no matter what. The General wanted the Avengers working for him but that wouldn't make a difference. When the next big conflict comes people will get hurt whether the Avengers remain freely employed or under lock and key.
Plus I always preferred Cap over Iron Man anyway. Tony might be a hero, but he still comes with all the flaws of being a human man. He can be at times pushy, greedy, stubborn, egotistical, sarcastic and often speaks too much. Cap is a symbol of duty, virtue and honor. All the qualities of a knight of the old code and all that I looked up to as a child. He is a pillar of goodness, selflessness and heart. Captain America will always be my hero.
Love you Chris Evans!!!