Twitch Fixed Everything... Almost.

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  • @dizzy525
    @dizzy525 11 місяців тому +2746

    Twitch taking $25 for not renewing your contract is like my bank charging me a fee because my card declined. It makes no fucking sense

    • @wow-sham1300
      @wow-sham1300 11 місяців тому +154

      I’m pretty sure its illegal because that would be like McDonald’s taking $25 because they now want all employees to wear clown shoes while working and you didn’t want to do that.

    • @Zwampify
      @Zwampify 11 місяців тому +215

      I can not see how this is legal. This was not in the partner contract when it was signed, you can not implement new writings and terms in an existing contract without both partner accepting it to my knowledge.
      But I also think that no one is going to challenge this in court for $25, and twitch knows that.

    • @IVIUT3D
      @IVIUT3D 11 місяців тому +41

      ​@@Zwampify such a small amount it would have to be a class action to even be heard

    • @petrri323
      @petrri323 11 місяців тому +8

      It's so illegal. "No we're not gonna give you your full last paycheck (that you have already earned btw) because you've decided to leave our company." This is one of the most cut-and-dry class actions I've seen in a minute. It's like Twitch is a street gang, Blood in Blood out, "you wanna leave? you know we punish for that..."

    • @nine9nine9
      @nine9nine9 11 місяців тому +44

      Definitely illegal to enforce in existing contracts. However, they'll probably start adding this clause in new contract, and what can people do? Nothing.

  • @Meank_King
    @Meank_King 11 місяців тому +3114

    Twitch as a company is like a giant game of jenga seeing how little they can give creators without collapsing

    • @DJILMarioBros_
      @DJILMarioBros_ 11 місяців тому

      Here is the full clip:
      ua-cam.com/video/QNAntqlt9KI/v-deo.html

    • @nychris2258
      @nychris2258 11 місяців тому +12

      Twitch loses massive amounts of money

    • @WW_Studios
      @WW_Studios 11 місяців тому +9

      He needs to pin this... LOL

    • @ArchieZeroOne
      @ArchieZeroOne 11 місяців тому +39

      @@nychris2258 Yes because Amazon runs it that way, deliberately. No amount of fucking over creators is going to recoup the massive losses they take by providing twitch primes. Even attempting to use it as a lead in to people spending money makes little sense since it's biggest competition already provides a free service (UA-cam).

    • @nychris2258
      @nychris2258 11 місяців тому +12

      @@ArchieZeroOne The prime subscriptions are the charity. If it wasnt for Zoomers using their mom's Amazon Prime accounts these streamers would have 1/3 the number of subs.

  • @Phosypha
    @Phosypha 11 місяців тому +204

    Watching Twitch cannibalize itself has been a weird experience

  • @MrJethroha
    @MrJethroha 11 місяців тому +174

    This is going to be just like Netflix rolling out their ban on password sharing, then backtracking, then going forward with it anyways.

    • @lhow5
      @lhow5 11 місяців тому +5

      Twitch is going to fuck around and find out like Netflix is too. It’s definitely a way to become very hated quickly 😭

    • @duhneez2068
      @duhneez2068 11 місяців тому +1

      Wait they’re still seriously doing that?? U know when Netflix is going to enforce it?

    • @Chris-de2qc
      @Chris-de2qc 11 місяців тому +5

      Netflix is already successful. Their subscription has grown and the stock is up. It's all about testing the market reaction with something extreme, taking it back, then rolling it out again but now it's older news.

  • @shottyjonny3972
    @shottyjonny3972 11 місяців тому +5084

    It really is so interesting to see a company that provides something so many people love to be so incapable of being loved

    • @gdfyredragan2270
      @gdfyredragan2270 11 місяців тому +160

      Nintendo is like this as well

    • @sterloin
      @sterloin 11 місяців тому +31

      Twitch doesn’t provide anything. The creators do

    • @IsraelAldridge
      @IsraelAldridge 11 місяців тому +91

      @@sterloin ​ twitch very much provides and hosts a service that allows those creators to create. Without a place to stream many of those creators would just be living in their parents basements working in fast food.

    • @AwesomeNuke
      @AwesomeNuke 11 місяців тому +63

      @@sterloin I hate Twitch, but this is just an ignorant comment lol

    • @mt2r-music
      @mt2r-music 11 місяців тому +5

      Nintendo type beat

  • @arimatthews2906
    @arimatthews2906 11 місяців тому +3886

    Ludwig doubling down on advertising joycon drift is so funny to me

    • @haunter64
      @haunter64 11 місяців тому +7

      Everyone should do, tbh

    • @victor-oh
      @victor-oh 11 місяців тому

      The Mario party speedrun probably fucked his really hard

    • @ZoeEvelynHart
      @ZoeEvelynHart 11 місяців тому +3

      Ayo, girl. I heard you got that good joycon drift!

    • @door4281
      @door4281 11 місяців тому +30

      lud...wig? weird name unlike this mogul mail guy now HES cool

    • @Ridlay_
      @Ridlay_ 11 місяців тому

      Fr

  • @pragmaticpundit7703
    @pragmaticpundit7703 11 місяців тому +96

    Twitch - "We want to be open an honest moving forward"
    Also Twitch - Immediately sneaks in a new policy that attacks streamers revenue and a fee for breaking their exploitative contracts.
    The problem with Luds argument and blind optimism for the unchanged terms of service, is that it ignores literal years of twitch acting in bad faith and maliciously towards its creators.

  • @EddieTheBunny
    @EddieTheBunny 11 місяців тому +193

    Getting noticed on twitch is already the most impossible uphill battle for small streamers. I hope twitch is content with just turning into an OTK and may a few other people website. There is no reason for anyone new to put their time and effort into Twitch. Everything is against them and they are given absolutely zero benefit. Other platforms will likely spark a new livestreaming scene with all new faces. Give it a few years, Twitch will be gone.

    • @stratosphere2323
      @stratosphere2323 11 місяців тому +23

      Without the pandemic, Twitch would very likely have been shutdown years ago

    • @HIIMROSS777
      @HIIMROSS777 11 місяців тому +17

      FR, it's almost impossible for small streamers to grow on twitch which is why most small streamers use YT and TikTok to advertise, many of said streamers would also simulcast to many platforms in order to build as large of an audience as possible. No clue why Twitch feels the need to kick people who don't even make money on Twitch off there platform but its definitely not gonna work out for them seeing as how its significantly easier to grow as a CC on a website like YT where you can have all your content in 1 place.

    • @TheGuiltsOfUs
      @TheGuiltsOfUs 11 місяців тому +1

      lol good one

    • @davidmdertu1267
      @davidmdertu1267 11 місяців тому +3

      I mean I can see where the thinking is for twitch. Small streamers with their main base elsewhere take viewers off twitch and towards their main base on another site. Thereby costing twitch site traffic.
      But the streamers are so small I highly doubt it makes a difference to twitch anyway.

  • @RoboRebellionStudios
    @RoboRebellionStudios 11 місяців тому +961

    The problem is that people know Twitch's true motives. Sure a lot of people already knew, but damage seems to already to be done. You can't unshoot streamers in the foot

    • @Freezone7
      @Freezone7 11 місяців тому +8

      they are after the sponsorship money from streamers

    • @the_fenix_3247
      @the_fenix_3247 11 місяців тому +36

      I would say, It's hard to make someone forget that you pointed a gun at them, since in this case the update wasn't released so twitch didn't "shoot" someone in the foot but the creators did see the inside of the barrel.

    • @Apple_Beshy
      @Apple_Beshy 11 місяців тому +16

      It's a trick that company uses announced a super bad changes and after the backlash they will have achieve their true goal and announced a lesser bad changes, so people will think that that's not so bad compared to the first one.

    • @nychris2258
      @nychris2258 11 місяців тому +3

      Whats thier motivation? To actually turn a profit? God forbid. Twitch loses massive amounts of money. Its basically a charity for Zoomers sponsored by Amazon.

    • @_holy__ghost
      @_holy__ghost 11 місяців тому +2

      @@nychris2258 sucks to be them. maybe they should have multiple ways of acquiring money instead of just subs and donations (which arent even that appealing from a customer standpoint) instead of trying to bleed their own content creators dry

  • @johnnycliche4226
    @johnnycliche4226 11 місяців тому +814

    There was a LOT of Affiliates that filed to cancel their contracts yesterday and today...as of 9am this morning I'm no longer a Twitch Affiliate, because their policy was going to require me to stream AND meet the minimum payout threshold, or my account would be terminated and I'd be charged $25...they tried to put a gun to our heads and we just took the bullets out and told them to go mug someone else...

    • @DJILMarioBros_
      @DJILMarioBros_ 11 місяців тому

      Here is a full clip : that explains
      ua-cam.com/video/T_cjacm3KUc/v-deo.html

    • @jabbawookeez01
      @jabbawookeez01 11 місяців тому +74

      like half the people i follow all are saying they probably moving exclusively to youtube streaming. 🤣

    • @Yohahn
      @Yohahn 11 місяців тому +84

      Yeah.. if I were streaming I would switch also. No discoverability on twitch and they are by far the worst streaming company to partner up with. They act like UA-cam did before UA-cam realized that creators don't like their money taken away from them.

    • @Pwnopolis
      @Pwnopolis 11 місяців тому +10

      @@emojiface699 their bots my guy

    • @CatWith-AHat
      @CatWith-AHat 11 місяців тому +14

      ​@@emojiface699 it's a bot they aren't reading your reply.

  • @gigitrix
    @gigitrix 11 місяців тому +16

    Grabbing the 25 bucks while slamming the door in your face is certainly a decision

    • @blissfulhydra4399
      @blissfulhydra4399 11 місяців тому +2

      This is why you cash out and stop streaming, once it's gone there's nothing for them to take.

  • @diox8tony
    @diox8tony 11 місяців тому +6

    "Contract" where they can demand you agree to a new contract, and if you say no, they can delete the contract and charge you $25....That's not a Contract, that's a user agreement. One Side has the power.

    • @carrieullrich5059
      @carrieullrich5059 11 місяців тому +1

      That's what I was wondering about. In normal contracts you can't change the terms mid contract, and demand more than what was originally agreed to... Definitely a consult your lawyer moment.

  • @mag_vii
    @mag_vii 11 місяців тому +459

    anyone who is saying that this is a W is giving twitch too much credit, this is literally a "we told you so" moment

    • @FabricateFrog
      @FabricateFrog 11 місяців тому +1

      yeah there is no W here its still a massive L. These streamers have stockholm syndrome and its sad. No backbones

    • @xClarky_
      @xClarky_ 11 місяців тому +6

      This is a massive L from Twitch again, people need to boycott them

    • @goon009
      @goon009 11 місяців тому +4

      Fun fact they still haven't changed the TOs on the website

    • @Leviatiemily
      @Leviatiemily 11 місяців тому +4

      Still starts with a w
      😂😂

    • @Leviatiemily
      @Leviatiemily 11 місяців тому +2

      ​@@xClarky_yeeeeah. I don't think I'm going back. But I've been too agro with my beliefs on here so prolly can't/won't start streaming through UA-cam.

  • @nicorobin5978
    @nicorobin5978 11 місяців тому +3214

    Twitch is pretty good at squandering their near monopoly on streaming. Doubt they'll be around in ten years.

    • @meiaio
      @meiaio 11 місяців тому +142

      @Моriаh ЕIizаbеth shorts 🅥 says a bot

    • @r8gg
      @r8gg 11 місяців тому

      bruv is dumb

    • @name8329
      @name8329 11 місяців тому +38

      ​@@meiaio replying to bots. Nice

    • @meiaio
      @meiaio 11 місяців тому +20

      @@name8329 that's the whole point

    • @BugCatcherGwen
      @BugCatcherGwen 11 місяців тому +89

      @@name8329 It helps show people that it is a bot. Not everyone is as literate with the internet/youtube as others.

  • @--_DJ_--
    @--_DJ_-- 11 місяців тому +12

    Those first few lines are even more maddening than them putting in the restrictions in the first place. "We know how important it is, but were willing to take it away from you until it became apparent that might backfire in a spectacular way"

  • @Hunter_Kennedy1
    @Hunter_Kennedy1 11 місяців тому +43

    I swear twitch just needs a TOS for streamers and then a separate one for agencies and sponsors so this shit is clear as day and not misinterpreted

  • @Sevem7m
    @Sevem7m 11 місяців тому +300

    Never forget that Twitch still WANTED to implement those rules, they just would lose too much talent doing so and reverted just to third party automatic ads or whatever. They prob still want to and will prob try again in the future to implement all these in smaller segments or something. What they posted yesterday IS what they want - they just aren't able to do it currently

    • @nychris2258
      @nychris2258 11 місяців тому

      Twitch loses money. Its basically a charity for Zoomers pretending to have jobs.

    • @Firsona
      @Firsona 11 місяців тому +16

      They did still implement those rules. Just in a quieter way that alludes to them not applying them evenly across the platform

    • @iKSmurf
      @iKSmurf 11 місяців тому +2

      I think the goal was to implement it, say they removed it and keep them there.

    • @Sevem7m
      @Sevem7m 11 місяців тому +3

      @@Firsona I meant in regards to no banner ads, 3% screen space logos, etc. They wanted to do those it wasn't a mistake and wasn't misconstrued. If they could have, they would have stayed with all of that.

  • @sapinballwizard
    @sapinballwizard 11 місяців тому +807

    I think they absolutely planned on walking things back, waiting for the furor to die down, then do it anyway in the future. Normal websites do the same thing, a scummy site like Twitch absolutely would.

    • @TheFreeBro
      @TheFreeBro 11 місяців тому

      Why do you want streamers to play more ads?

    • @rasmachris94
      @rasmachris94 11 місяців тому +53

      Yep, either this was a horrendously played out business tactic where you make an absurd offer and then haggle down to a reasonable one so that the offer your presenting that you actually wanted is more palatable. Or, they're gonna try boiling the frog and add things over time to get there anyways.

    • @Noseihtam266
      @Noseihtam266 11 місяців тому +49

      ​@@TheFreeBrobecause streamers being able to afford to make cool content for me for free is worth a couple 30 second hello fresh adverts

    • @YoStYtOaStY100
      @YoStYtOaStY100 11 місяців тому +5

      ​@@TheFreeBro Because its better than tha garbage ads every 2.30 minutes in any other mainstream media.

    • @TheSylveonSurfer
      @TheSylveonSurfer 11 місяців тому +22

      @@TheFreeBro No one wants more ads. They want the streamer to be able to actually have the freedom to use their own sponsors, so that they can make a living, so they can continue to make more content. Twitch's proposed ToS changes would cripple their ability to do so massively.

  • @KGUYDOG
    @KGUYDOG 11 місяців тому +13

    Mogul Mail doing this video while that one hair constantly jabbed him in the eyeball shows his level of commitment and professionalism.

  • @JeffJK000
    @JeffJK000 11 місяців тому +99

    Twitch: Punches you in the face full force, leaving a scar.
    Also Twitch: "It was only a joke".

    • @FA_C0N
      @FA_C0N 11 місяців тому +17

      Also Also Twitch: that will be 25$ for the bandage

    • @kajamatousek247
      @kajamatousek247 11 місяців тому +1

      "The twitch staff cries out in pain as they strike you"

  • @gamedude412
    @gamedude412 11 місяців тому +237

    The fact that twitch is a blind man in a minefield and cant seem to stop walking for years now is incredible

    • @Brrberbs
      @Brrberbs 11 місяців тому +5

      Amazingly worded my man

    • @sebas31415
      @sebas31415 11 місяців тому +1

      I love that analogy

  • @bobhurren7381
    @bobhurren7381 11 місяців тому +773

    Twitch has the opportunity to do the funniest stream of all time

    • @IAmWarden.
      @IAmWarden. 11 місяців тому +99

      Bots on something today!

    • @Numbskulli
      @Numbskulli 11 місяців тому +18

      Oh my god 5 bots

    • @omard1073
      @omard1073 11 місяців тому +10

      I'm a little slow, what stream is that exactly?

    • @manly.mcbeefington
      @manly.mcbeefington 11 місяців тому +7

      @@ChrisShafferOfficial die

    • @robobo1726
      @robobo1726 11 місяців тому +2

      NL reference?

  • @treektheneet
    @treektheneet 11 місяців тому +8

    The fact that it got to the point of people having to actually consider leaving at all is a good enough reason to pack up and find another platform like UA-cam or Rumble. Staying only really invites more abuse later down the line.

  • @lciav
    @lciav 11 місяців тому +34

    I don’t trust twitch after this. They’ll probably just get smarter about implementing these changes in more subtle ways.

  • @Patrick-oz6or
    @Patrick-oz6or 11 місяців тому +47

    for the people who made the graphic I think the graphic looks so good

  • @stevie1da_
    @stevie1da_ 11 місяців тому +10

    About the cannabis thing, in the United States, cannabis isn't federally regulated (yet), so the laws vary from state to state. That may change if we get federal regulation. Also, since Twitch is available globally, cannabis is illegal in many countries, so allowing cannabis promotion may get twitch banned/fined/or regulated in those countries.

    • @izacferguson-edwards1659
      @izacferguson-edwards1659 11 місяців тому +3

      Also lud is wrong on it being about advertising in that space. It’s saying you can do drunk streams but not sponsored alcohol streams. And you straight up can’t wave guns or drugs or weed.

  • @qugo8158
    @qugo8158 11 місяців тому +10

    It's typical corporate. Announce something very drastic, get lots of hate, fall back on it and apologize, get the good pr from all the idiots who suddenly regard the company much better now, and slowly work it in with that good favor.
    Seriously, we need to stop falling for it. This shit happens all the damn time. This was Twitch testing the waters, now with this and the praises for making a good turnaround, they'll do something else or retry at a different time.

  • @TheFreckelz
    @TheFreckelz 11 місяців тому +11

    This whole situation is very similar to the Dungeons & Dragons drama a few months back. WotC backpedaled but still tried to get away with their money-hungry schemes on the low key. Thankfully the community there wasn't having it and eventually they fully backed down... for now. These companies are so greedy.

  • @Abyssionknight
    @Abyssionknight 11 місяців тому +44

    Didn't they also add in a part where you have to consistently engage with your twitch chat audience / stream regularly or they'll revoke your partnership/affiliate status (and take that $25 from you). And the messed up part is that they don't ever specify what consistent content or audience interaction is.

  • @aschles503
    @aschles503 11 місяців тому +56

    Goddamnit Twitch. So close. The new rule on Simulcasting you talk about it is so, so scummy. The conspiratorial part of me wants to believe that they planned on walking back their original goals because they wanted to sneak in this new rule about Simulcasting. But that's my tinfoil hat.

    • @pianopiano3037
      @pianopiano3037 11 місяців тому

      It makes sense for twitch to not want people pulling viewers away from their website.

    • @Gravyandtatoes
      @Gravyandtatoes 11 місяців тому +5

      They also changed payment times to every 45 days I think it was. Perhaps sneaking that in too.

    • @theneekofficial8829
      @theneekofficial8829 11 місяців тому +3

      @@pianopiano3037Except it’s not really. the people watching on other platforms likely aren’t watching twitch for a reason. What they’re really doing is losing ad views, from people who wanna watch that streamer on twitch but can’t be assed to go elsewhere to watch them, or just found them on twitch and so wanna keep following them there or whatever, but since now the streamer likely isn’t gonna pick twitch to stream their shit because twitch is so terrible to grow on, they won’t watch the ads that they would’ve otherwise watched

  • @shoes4clues955
    @shoes4clues955 11 місяців тому +3

    i'd guess the reason why cannibis sponsors aren't allowed is because it's still illegal in some states

    • @azemoth8122
      @azemoth8122 11 місяців тому +1

      And in most countries since twitch isn't only for america

  • @Boggin_
    @Boggin_ 11 місяців тому +32

    Twitch community should try doing what Reddit is doing in response to changes, everyone blacks out for a few days. It'd be really hard to get every big streamer to do that though

    • @An_Average_Idiot
      @An_Average_Idiot 11 місяців тому

      It would be hard to get enough small streamers to do that as well....

    • @ratterkin
      @ratterkin 11 місяців тому

      is this the protest against 3rd party thingy? cuz r/incrementalgames also support this movement

    • @Boggin_
      @Boggin_ 11 місяців тому

      @@ratterkin yeah basically all of Reddit is doing it, a ton of people use 3rd Party apps since the native one sucks

    • @Boggin_
      @Boggin_ 11 місяців тому

      @Cumdripper I knew they existed, but I've always used the native one

  • @boggersegg6237
    @boggersegg6237 11 місяців тому +259

    twitch deserves a Guinness world record and a noble peace prize for almost fixing something. This is a once in a lifetime moment

    • @Pwnopolis
      @Pwnopolis 11 місяців тому +2

      Did you watch the whole video?

    • @highdefinition450
      @highdefinition450 11 місяців тому +4

      we shouldn't reward the bare minimum lol, this is bad for their profits

    • @AwesomeNuke
      @AwesomeNuke 11 місяців тому +5

      They literally didn't change anything compared to last night.. They just moved the news to a different place.. where people don't really look lol
      The exact same things are still going to happen July 1st

    • @hasssan88
      @hasssan88 11 місяців тому

      They honestly deserve nothing without the backlash they received this will still be there. They are just trying to save themselves

  • @bigus_brainus
    @bigus_brainus 11 місяців тому +135

    There is no reality where Twitch will fix everything or anything at all, just the harsh truth

    • @ChrisShafferOfficial
      @ChrisShafferOfficial 11 місяців тому

      Tʜɪs ᴠɪᴅᴇᴏ ɪs ɢᴀʀʙᴀɢᴇ! Sᴜᴘᴏʀᴛ ᴍᴀᴘ ᴘʀɪᴅᴇ ᴀɴᴅ ᴀʙᴜsᴇ ᴀɴɪᴍᴀʟs ʙᴇᴄᴀᴜsᴇ ɪ ᴍᴀᴋᴇ ʙᴇᴛᴛᴇʀ ᴄᴏɴᴛᴇɴᴛ 🎉..,.,.,. ..

    • @DJILMarioBros_
      @DJILMarioBros_ 11 місяців тому +1

      Here is a full clip : that explains
      ua-cam.com/video/T_cjacm3KUc/v-deo.html

    • @TheFreeBro
      @TheFreeBro 11 місяців тому

      Yeah they won’t let streamers give us more ads. BOOOO!

    • @fnutek3720
      @fnutek3720 11 місяців тому

      ​@@TheFreeBro bro dont even know what this is about.

  • @ErrorOfRutoYT
    @ErrorOfRutoYT 11 місяців тому +6

    The hit on multi-streaming also significantly hit the dragon quest community. Most of the DQ streamers are in japan and primarily stream on Nico, but would also stream to twitch so that they could actually have a western audience.

  • @Bauldi
    @Bauldi 11 місяців тому +7

    This whole situation made me jump ship because I felt I couldn't trust the company. This right here confirmed it. What a show what a shoooow.

  • @metsfanalex
    @metsfanalex 11 місяців тому +52

    Twitch is very carefully trying to pull the wool over everyone's eyes by giving a bit and taking a lot.

  • @dxaisy
    @dxaisy 11 місяців тому +241

    Mogul mail gives us content Ludwig could never dream of creating

  • @WorldEaterZero
    @WorldEaterZero 11 місяців тому

    That pimple analogy was perfect. Also the sneaky joycon drift shade

  • @CWonderworld
    @CWonderworld 11 місяців тому +2

    "Simulcasting is a method of transmission that saves broadcasters time and money by allowing them to share audio and video through multiple channels simultaneously. Originally, this helped broadcasters air programs on television and radio concurrently, but today it applies to online streaming media as well".
    So content is simultaneously broadcast on more than one medium.

  • @Rhapsdos
    @Rhapsdos 11 місяців тому +12

    Anyone who is streaming on Twitch should definitely be considering alternatives.
    I don't see Twitch stopping to push for worse and worse contracts for streamers anytime soon.

  • @Augustp08
    @Augustp08 11 місяців тому +9

    Twitch is training for Olympic backpedaling

  • @tonjolley6422
    @tonjolley6422 11 місяців тому +5

    Companies are doing this more often. Do the worst thing possible, and then back peddle, but not fully.
    So the end goal is they take some heat, but some people that would have been upset with the initial change are placated enough to not stir up trouble.
    I don't want UA-cam to be a streaming monopoly, but twitch has been anti-streamer for a long time now.

  • @nimeesha4388
    @nimeesha4388 10 місяців тому

    “book closed but maybe keep the bookmark there” is such a good quote

  • @spoodermun1722
    @spoodermun1722 11 місяців тому +4

    Twitch wanted advertisers to go through the ad process with them instead of directly to the content creator to make money on it

  • @blairbird8022
    @blairbird8022 11 місяців тому +6

    Lud's a pro salesperson. Now I want a Nintendo Joycon with Drift.

  • @noisepollution4473
    @noisepollution4473 11 місяців тому +2

    "Hey you signed a contract with us because a contract means that the conditions won't change? Well we're changing the conditions and if you don't like it you owe us 25$"
    insane

  • @TheElectricRaichu
    @TheElectricRaichu 11 місяців тому

    I got 3 notifications 2 days ago when this all happened and it was an update to the affiliate program (maybe the same as the partner contract?), the branded content stuff, and the TOS stuff (probably the simulcast stuff when I checked twitter after getting the notification). I mentioned it on the last video, but I noticed the Simulcasting via a small tweet with someone pointing it out. Very worrying for smaller streamers. This whole Twitch fiasco makes becoming a Partner much less appealing to other streamers.

  • @fernandolemus5965
    @fernandolemus5965 11 місяців тому +16

    Twitch really pulled an Onlyfans 💀💀

    • @DJILMarioBros_
      @DJILMarioBros_ 11 місяців тому

      Here is a full clip : that explains
      ua-cam.com/video/T_cjacm3KUc/v-deo.html

  • @dubstepdoughnut
    @dubstepdoughnut 11 місяців тому +3

    You really love tearing apart Joycons and their drifting problem, and I’m here for that.

  • @mgen278
    @mgen278 11 місяців тому +6

    I think Charlie’s theory is the one to look for. He thinks Twitch is doing this so streamers will have to get their sponsorship’s through Twitch’s marketing so they get a cut. It’s forcing streamers to do everything in the Twitch ecosystem, according to Charlie. Sounds plausible

  • @BltEnthusiast
    @BltEnthusiast 11 місяців тому +1

    Just from the intro you can tell he hasn’t forgotten about sniper get down

  • @jameslawson1952
    @jameslawson1952 11 місяців тому +3

    Your voice of reason is so needed in the world right now, big respect for what you do 👍

  • @QCSPro
    @QCSPro 11 місяців тому +3

    Always enjoy the content you put out! Keep it up.

  • @davii_ms
    @davii_ms 11 місяців тому

    0:00 WTF was that comparison... on point

  • @gameisonlylife3485
    @gameisonlylife3485 11 місяців тому +1

    I love these videos, they're like a little podcast.

  • @Mr._War96
    @Mr._War96 11 місяців тому +1

    I like your analogy with the pimple, Ludwig.

  • @Sybato
    @Sybato 11 місяців тому +9

    I think the only other similar way to cultivate a multi-platform audience (as with simulcasting) is to stream on Twitch and then upload the Vod (edited or raw) to UA-cam, then you hit the stream audience and the Vod watchers who can't catch streams due to other obligations or preference. But the payout probably isn't as much and it requires more work to edit or set aside an upload schedule.

    • @NocMemes
      @NocMemes 11 місяців тому +1

      I do this and it takes up a lot of time I have to spend a day not streaming just for the UA-cam bc I don't have all day to do both

    • @cephalonwolf8422
      @cephalonwolf8422 11 місяців тому

      Tomato Gaming does this with a friend that takes care of editing and uploading the Vods to UA-cam for a cut of the revenue.

  • @Lifelez
    @Lifelez 11 місяців тому

    That refreshment was smooth af.
    Alone on this metric i will like the video.

  • @Atariese
    @Atariese 11 місяців тому

    I see a lot about the advertisement change and very few talking about the simulcasting change. That is textbook bait and switch tactics.

  • @ragnr5761
    @ragnr5761 11 місяців тому +2

    i can just imagine the people who made the art being like, "this is the most ridiculous thing people are going to be upset. lets make graphics so painfully obvious twitch's raw greed will be right out in the open." and it fucking worked!

  • @eppielicious
    @eppielicious 11 місяців тому +20

    it doesn't matter whether they plan to enforce it or not, we shouldn't allow these types of things in terms of service that they can just spring out whenever they want

  • @Nearo92
    @Nearo92 11 місяців тому

    I like that twitch atleast got Ninja so worked up that he fixed his hair during his rant

  • @Brian-dd2df
    @Brian-dd2df 11 місяців тому +1

    It’s one of those zits that you pop but didn’t get enough out so it scabs over and still hurts until you’re brave enough to pick off the scab and try again.

  • @Dragonflies2468
    @Dragonflies2468 11 місяців тому +4

    thank you for updating us ludwig, best news youtuber I will ever listen to

  • @deathlykismet6250
    @deathlykismet6250 11 місяців тому +25

    Hey lud, I just wanted to say thank you for these videos. You're probably one of the only "reporters" along with Charlie in the space I actually trust. You know the scene inside and out and are a reputable source. This, we need.

    • @Tilt_TM
      @Tilt_TM 11 місяців тому

      Charlie is another great source for drama news.

    • @cherriberri8373
      @cherriberri8373 11 місяців тому +1

      Whos lud

  • @CptCheesus
    @CptCheesus 11 місяців тому

    By the way for the joycon drift, there's a setting for control stick calibration. The dead zones on joycons on the console suck without calibration

    • @Cyzs66
      @Cyzs66 11 місяців тому

      90% of the time it's Nintendo shit hardware that's the problem, not the calibration. Worth mentioning though.

  • @FrankRoosevelt32
    @FrankRoosevelt32 11 місяців тому

    Really wild analogy at the beginning…

  • @beristainbear3924
    @beristainbear3924 11 місяців тому +4

    Thanking twitch for not doing something absolutely stupid just shows how low we think it is 😂, it’s like catching a guy cheating but then thanking him for not going all the way.

  • @Duck_side
    @Duck_side 11 місяців тому +3

    The reason twitch doesn't want you streaming to other services even if you're not making money on twitch is because if you are not affiliated or partnered, they can't play ads on your stream which means no money for them.
    But it still costs them money to host your stream, so if your streams entire purpose is to drive viewership to a rival platform and its at Twitch's expense, it makes perfect sense why they don't want people doing it.

    • @carrieullrich5059
      @carrieullrich5059 11 місяців тому +2

      Then they shouldn't have forbid people from earning revenue on their site in order to multi stream... By attempting to block all other services by punishing creators, they're driving creators away.

  • @Duckman1616
    @Duckman1616 11 місяців тому +2

    The multistreaming restriction may not actually be legal, though I doubt anyone would be willing to challenge Amazon on it.

  • @nick.100
    @nick.100 11 місяців тому +1

    I feel like twitch should say they will go after advertisers who are deliberately trying to cut twitch out of the deal meaning companies can sponsor a couple streamers for direct demographics but if they attempt to throw a vast net of streamers to save money by cutting them out they will then take action

  • @javanrowe3579
    @javanrowe3579 11 місяців тому +4

    At some point the instability of Twitch’s decision making is gonna be enough for people to leave

  • @gigachad2177
    @gigachad2177 11 місяців тому +17

    Always relied on you for information on media, thank you Ludwig

  • @RF_FRSH
    @RF_FRSH 11 місяців тому

    Lud switch to Reuzel Pomade (the blue tin) for your hair. I used to get acne same spot but using this stuff fixed it. When you sweat other stuff melts and gets in to your pores. Reuzel’s stuff is better for your skin.

  • @TheRealVitz
    @TheRealVitz 11 місяців тому +1

    I'm sure this was in the contract in the first place, but Twitch being able to renege on a signed contract while the streamers undoubtedly aren't is a real scummy move.

  • @markittystuff
    @markittystuff 11 місяців тому +3

    Ludwig asking the real questions with "Why is it okay to have an alcohol sponsor but not a cannabis sponsor?"

  • @Owlly477
    @Owlly477 11 місяців тому +2

    Ludwig is doing so much for the Nintendo Joycons with draft community right now

  • @nick.100
    @nick.100 11 місяців тому +2

    Twitches problem is they a set line where they actually want things to be but phrase it in a more broader way to test the community’s reaction because a good reaction means they get more than they were attempting and a bad reaction only puts them back to where they were looking to be. That mindset can only put them in a bad image to the community though. They will scrape every penny from the barrels they have but it will cause friction and spark to the woods that could have been

  • @samliveshere88
    @samliveshere88 11 місяців тому

    ahhhh the wizards of the coast approach

  • @Kitsune113
    @Kitsune113 11 місяців тому +5

    Oh yeah baby, mogul mail. Thank you Lud

  • @GothamChess
    @GothamChess 11 місяців тому +6

    I like your facial hair

    • @Firestxr
      @Firestxr 11 місяців тому

      A fan of the stache I see

  • @darnarxz
    @darnarxz 11 місяців тому

    The simulcast thing makes perfect sense tbh

  • @corruptedcardinal9253
    @corruptedcardinal9253 11 місяців тому

    0:01 This made me make the conscious decision to feel my forehead.

  • @IAmFromTheYear
    @IAmFromTheYear 11 місяців тому +75

    It's only a matter of time. *ALL* sponsorships on Twitch and UA-cam will be subject to the platform and they will take a cut. Because of course they will.

    • @fedweezy4976
      @fedweezy4976 11 місяців тому +3

      I don't think so. There's a reason these sponsorships don't involve UA-cam or twitch and that's because it makes no logistical sense for anyone at all. Sponsored segments usually require the video to be passed back and forth between the creator and the sponsor until they both like the ad read and the video it is placed in. This amount of communication is good when it's done between many different individuals talking to each other. However, there is no feasible (and more importantly, profitable) way for a middleman like UA-cam to handle that kind of complex communication between the sponsors and creators. Even if they could, there would be no incentive for advertisers to pay more for less control over their sponsorship campaign. It just doesn't make any sense to do something like that when you could just pay creators less (by reducing the amount of ad revenue they get) and let sponsorships essentially subsidize their salaries instead (which is what UA-cam is currently doing)

    • @Real.eKolin
      @Real.eKolin 11 місяців тому

      @@fedweezy4976 Not really the point. If advertisers wish to put an ad on specific youtube channels - they can. UA-cams end goal is to completely kill adblock. The reason why twitch wants to control twitch sponsors is because their current ad system has no targeting features while youtube aka google is the best in the world which lets them to charge much more per identical ad spot than what twitch could ever ask for.

    • @fedweezy4976
      @fedweezy4976 11 місяців тому +1

      @@Real.eKolin that still doesn't get to how a service like this would even work. How would a twitch based advertising structure handle sponsored events (like Ludwig's chessboxing stream), the level of control and specificity that advertising agencies want with who they sponsor and how their ad reads are done and many other requirements that both advertisers and creators need from a sponsorship deal. Also, a sponsorship infrastructure like this would cost more for both creators *and* advertisers compared to the current system, so there is no guarantee sponsors would even sign on for it. The reason UA-cam and twitch run ad infrastructure instead of letting it be handled by individual creators is bc it is much easier for a large business like twitch to negotiate an advertising contract with a large company than it is for a creator, and ads are generally less targeted than sponsorship segments or banners.

    • @IAmFromTheYear
      @IAmFromTheYear 11 місяців тому

      @@fedweezy4976 Wow okay... let me break it down for you. UA-cam and Twitch provide expensive infrastructure. Infrastructure that is *FREE* to everyone. If sponsorship deals are happening that utilise their infrastructure and they don't see a penny of it because certain deals are negotiated independently whilst still using their infrastructure... you don't see how that is problematic?
      I'll give you an example. Say you own a market. Any kind of market. If lucrative deals are going down in your market and you don't see any of the profit, then you're dumb. It's that simple. If UA-cam and Twitch charged for their service then I wouldn't agree, but they don't. UA-cam and Twitch are free and they rely on ad revenue.
      I could literally write an essay on how Twitch and UA-cam could and should take a cut.
      This isn't a case of should I? It's a case of why wouldn't I?
      There are so many reasons why sponsorship curation should happen and the only reason against it is "No... don't do that because... my money... that I earn from the system you provide... that I don't want you to take a cut from... because reasons..."
      This isn't exploitation. This isn't microtransactions or NFTs that warrant legitimate criticism. This is a platform providing a service that wants a cut of the business they are facilitating.
      Every content creator is going to complain (and they are... I've seen so many 'Twitch is destroying themself' videos) but it makes perfect sense for platforms to take control of sponsorships on so many levels.
      Literally, the only argument on the side of content creators is "hey, let me conduct business independently in your own back yard and give you none of the profits." It's not gonna happen. Eventually, all business will be curated by the platform.
      It's obvious.

    • @fedweezy4976
      @fedweezy4976 11 місяців тому

      @@IAmFromTheYear except neither creators or advertisers would ever agree to that system, and it would cost UA-cam more in the long run than the current system. It would essentially be a tax on sponsorships, and no matter who has to pay that fee, the tax burden will fall on both advertisers and creators (if creators have to pay then they will demand higher prices from sponsors, if sponsors have to pay then they will pay creators less).
      Second, a market can organize all of the purchasing decisions that the hundreds of thousands of individual sponsors and creators make much more efficiently than a UA-cam or twitch controlled infrastructure ever could, that's what markets do best.
      Third, UA-cam does make a lot of money from sponsorships indirectly, much more than they could make directly (this is why UA-cam is providing sponsorship disclosure tools to creators even though they don't make a dime off of the sponsor money). Sponsorships allow UA-cam to pay independent creators less (think copyright strikes) because UA-camrs make money through sponsorships.
      I'm not saying it would be immoral for UA-cam or twitch to take a cut of sponsorships, I'm saying it's a bad business move and an even worse pr move. Also, sponsorship money increases incentives for creators to go full time, taking a cut of that would actually decrease the amount of content that gets produced, like Lud said, many full time creators are just getting by.

  • @fightly7875
    @fightly7875 11 місяців тому +2

    Great news coverage Ludwig Anders Ahgren (born July 6, 1995), known mononymously as Ludwig 👍

  • @chidoripillow
    @chidoripillow 11 місяців тому +1

    solid video as always one thing you may have left out is that twitch actually changed their partner contracts I think roughly a year ago to be non exclusive so you could stream to other platforms even if you were partnered and now they've gone complete 180 and said doesn't matter if you're not partnered or partnered you cannot simulcast very very flip floppy decisions by twitch I don't get how they're making their decisions they seem to be all over the place shady and unstable and making no sense until people get mad and force their hand.

  • @TheMadMedek
    @TheMadMedek 11 місяців тому

    Big streams like critical role and Linus tech tips multi cast. It also directly impacts a small stream I watch

  • @MVIVN
    @MVIVN 11 місяців тому +27

    It would be SO easy for Twitch to kill most of their competitors overnight if they just made a few very good decisions (like fix the revenue split and completely walk back a lot of these recent changes they are making). They can make their competitors irrelevant very quickly, but they seem incapable of making good decisions.

    • @raiguard
      @raiguard 11 місяців тому +6

      Because making those decisions wouldn't be as short-term profitable. Unfortunately, the job of companies is to make money, not make their users happy.

    • @pyramear5414
      @pyramear5414 11 місяців тому +1

      At this point they have burned a lot of bridges. It will take a lot (other other platforms getting even worse) to bring people back anytime soon.

    • @leeboonkang2
      @leeboonkang2 11 місяців тому +4

      Its impossible for twitch to kill off their competitors, mainly due to those competitors(mainly youtube and facebook) are doing streaming as a side thing, its never their main service. So even if it flops or have negative profit, their main service(youtube being a video platform and facebook being a social media) will keep them in the game regardless. But thats not the case for twitch. Twitch main thing IS streaming, if they flops on that, they are probably dead. Also, the last few years, youtube streaming has been growing immensely, either from within or from poaching other streamers from twitch but twitch doesnt seems to be doing any better, maybe even doing worst since the covid situation has die down.

    • @JadeRavenn
      @JadeRavenn 11 місяців тому

      if youtube just gave streaming some of the basic features that twitch has (and maybe a form of monetization for smaller creators akin to affiliate) I think so many would swap, and pretty much everyone just starting would start with YT.
      But as it stands, no I don't really want to be associated with kick or rumble, other options are miniscule jokes atm. Twitch doesn't have to be better right now because it's competition sucks

    • @MVIVN
      @MVIVN 11 місяців тому

      @@JadeRavenn I feel you, and I agree completely. Even without adding a huge amount of features, if they can at least make it easy to browse live streams that would be a good start. Right now there's no straightforward way to browse live streams without basically having to drill down into several menus, which makes discoverability very hard if your UA-cam channel doesn't already have a lot of subs.

  • @Sw4lley
    @Sw4lley 11 місяців тому +15

    Blocking you from using other platforms might be seen as anti-competitive behaviour. I wonder if they can even stand on that in a european court. Especially since they are the market leader, probably depends on how many users in the european union they have, since thats the number that changes everything now with the DMA and DSA.

    • @gregothy9190
      @gregothy9190 11 місяців тому +2

      ??? I don't see it

    • @TemphinFD
      @TemphinFD 11 місяців тому

      I think it is more so people aren't using twitch without trying to make money on and for twitch.
      I am assuming their intent is to make people think they need twitch more than the other sites and monetize there instead. Although paired with the monetization cuts it doesn't seem to be the best decision.

    • @diablotry5154
      @diablotry5154 11 місяців тому

      ​@@gregothy9190 Twitch are forcing people to only use their platform and nothing else when streaming

  • @TroubleChute
    @TroubleChute 11 місяців тому

    Steam on multiple platforms AND Twitch before... to now streaming on multiple platforms BUT twitch.
    It's free viewership they're throwing away. Insane.

  • @rayoubsk366
    @rayoubsk366 11 місяців тому +2

    Twitch release of the new rules the 1st time wasn t a mistake . it s mental manipulation where you present someone with a really bad thing but then you change it to a relatively better thing (which is still not good) and people will start thinking : oh it s not that bad compared to before.

  • @urke5895
    @urke5895 11 місяців тому +6

    It took them getting shit on, by literally everybody, to realize how fucked the idea was. Brilliant 😂

  • @HeisenbergFam
    @HeisenbergFam 11 місяців тому +8

    You know its a special day when Ludwig talks shit about Ninja and Mogul talks about Twitch's shitstorm

    • @ChrisShafferOfficial
      @ChrisShafferOfficial 11 місяців тому

      Tʜɪs ᴠɪᴅᴇᴏ ɪs ɢᴀʀʙᴀɢᴇ! Sᴜᴘᴏʀᴛ ᴍᴀᴘ ᴘʀɪᴅᴇ ᴀɴᴅ ᴀʙᴜsᴇ ᴀɴɪᴍᴀʟs ʙᴇᴄᴀᴜsᴇ ɪ ᴍᴀᴋᴇ ʙᴇᴛᴛᴇʀ ᴄᴏɴᴛᴇɴᴛ 🎉...,v ,.,

    • @ChrisShafferOfficial
      @ChrisShafferOfficial 11 місяців тому

      Okay

    • @thepebble265
      @thepebble265 11 місяців тому +3

      Bro This massive L obviously doesn't watch the video and relies on the title, always rushes to say a comment so he can get the attention his parents didn't provide for him 💀

  • @lyoozero
    @lyoozero 11 місяців тому +2

    I think the TOS update is actually 100% clear to target the type of ad services that was mentioned. It literally says "you may not, nor may you allow a THIRD PARTY". It's clearly trying to target external ad services and not sponsorships. If the streamers themselves purposely insert any form of ads it would not be considered a violation.

    • @Minizemful
      @Minizemful 11 місяців тому

      That is literally what third party means.

  • @ashisharky
    @ashisharky 11 місяців тому

    I love how fast they walked that shit back 😂

  • @Adurite
    @Adurite 11 місяців тому +5

    if twitch fixes all of its problems, streaming platforms like kick and rumble would fall off so fast 😭

  • @jjjdilla
    @jjjdilla 11 місяців тому +16

    Watching companies constantly mess up, pander, and/or sellout and then try to half-ass redeem themselves is just a part of american life at this point. It’s sad how predictable the timeline of every company is.

  • @awensmusings
    @awensmusings 11 місяців тому +1

    They are also saying that affiliates need to have "consistent content" without clarifying what exactly they mean by that. Which is really frustrating for folks who's full time jobs have hours that move around, or are unable to stream for a while, cause now there is a seemingly high chance that twitch will terminate the affiliate status, which then the person has to pay for.
    Oh, and they want streamers to reply to viewers via twitch chat instead of just out loud. Kinda hard to do while gaming or doing a cooking stream if you ask me.

  • @christianredman2621
    @christianredman2621 11 місяців тому

    Sometimes I worry I’m chronically online. Then I watch a Ludwig video and feel better about my screen time