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  • @KingSammelot
    @KingSammelot 11 місяців тому +8050

    The fact you have to wait 3 MONTHS, losing potentially thousands of dollars until you can appeal again is terrifying, glad ludwig is calling this out

    • @kellenthemelon226
      @kellenthemelon226 11 місяців тому +165

      Who's Ludwig? This is mogul mail

    • @limerumpus3589
      @limerumpus3589 11 місяців тому +15

      @@kellenthemelon226 😐

    • @tweetycheeky8741
      @tweetycheeky8741 11 місяців тому +12

      @@kellenthemelon226 i know right???

    • @cuebankrupt
      @cuebankrupt 11 місяців тому +30

      ludwig???? you mean mogul mail what the heck is a ludwig

    • @Willerhide
      @Willerhide 11 місяців тому +11

      this is so based KingSammelot

  • @AuroralightYT
    @AuroralightYT 11 місяців тому +1777

    this screams "youtube doesn't want to deal with your bad data" when it comes to sorting it out of the actual users. IE they don't want to deal with bots and now are putting the blame onto the creator who knows nothing on how to fix or remedy this.

    • @georgemitchell7054
      @georgemitchell7054 11 місяців тому +105

      UA-cam's stance on this just doesn't make any sense; if they can detect the invalid traffic then why don't they just invalidate it from the final count? Also what about all the people that use UA-cam premium? One of the major reasons I'm a premium member is because it helps pay creators more. How could premium users be invalid traffic?
      It also might be possible that the commenting bots are considered invalid traffic, such as the one that commented above me. This entire situation seems sketchy to me.

    • @TheVilegore
      @TheVilegore 11 місяців тому +45

      ​@@georgemitchell7054 I was thinking it was likely due to bot comment spam too, it's been terrible lately. And YT doesn't remove them from the final count because the still want the numbers to appeal to advertisers while managing to punish creators for something they can't control. They want their cake and to eat it too

    • @nizamrahman4665
      @nizamrahman4665 11 місяців тому +18

      @@TheVilegore good god, if that's their way of mitigating bot comment spam by fucking the content creators, makes sense of how they've been handling problems on UA-cam lately, by choosing the stupidest, nonsensical option.

    • @Zuriki09
      @Zuriki09 11 місяців тому +5

      Doesn't matter if they know or not, they have absolutely no remedies because as a youtube you can't do anything to filter out traffic.

    • @louisbrill891
      @louisbrill891 11 місяців тому +4

      ​@@nizamrahman4665 that and destroying the UI on every update

  • @Gamersaurus
    @Gamersaurus 11 місяців тому +793

    I’ve been creating UA-cam content since 2008, and this channel since 2010. This situation happened to me a few month back in December! It was my biggest month ever with $3k+ in revenue. I lost about 50% because of invalid traffic. What frustrated me the most was not losing the money, that sucked, but UA-cam support blamed me for the invalid traffic! They flat out said I caused the invalid traffic and refused to give any evidence even when asked multiple times.
    I doubt you’ll see this, but thank you for covering this!!!

    • @blazechaos212
      @blazechaos212 11 місяців тому +7

      I hope that your channel would be fixed soon.
      The problem is that it's either the creator should steer away from the things that invite "invalid traffic" or hope that the viewer doesn't do things such as save a video for a playlist or "watch later" as it is considered invalid traffic as no one would watch a video if they are saved for later or in a playlist. There are quite a few tutorials for invalid traffic, this one is for my local language but there's English subtitles: ua-cam.com/video/qbtG2phiFM8/v-deo.html

    • @Skell_aton
      @Skell_aton 11 місяців тому +10

      Hey question could it be people using a diffrent app like vanced to watch videos wich blocks adds and what not? Idk just something that came to mind

    • @mattmattson7152
      @mattmattson7152 11 місяців тому +19

      @@blazechaos212do ppl not use the watch later function?? i use that all the time lol

    • @blazechaos212
      @blazechaos212 11 місяців тому +5

      @@mattmattson7152 I dunno. It's weird that the video pointed it out but if it's true, damn. I do rarely watch vids in "watch later" tho

    • @vindifference
      @vindifference 11 місяців тому

      Gaslight Gatekeep Google Bosses.

  • @purplegion
    @purplegion 11 місяців тому +121

    There was a definite shift in the way UA-cam used to be a website that paid people to create content, to a business that expected a thank you for allowing you to upload

    • @shawnhiggins1005
      @shawnhiggins1005 11 місяців тому +4

      Honestly people need to just union up and sue youtube for withholding on an agreed contracted pay. And just have a union fee to pay a lawyer to keep them in check same with amazon also funny enough recently found out Walmart employees (specifically in the fresh departments) tried to unionize, so they literally just got rid of the departments for a while since they legally cant fire them for unionizing but if there is “no job” then they were layed off indefinitely.

    • @TheNewton
      @TheNewton 11 місяців тому

      Read Cory Doctorows Enshitification article.
      Were in the early part of that later stages of shut up and buy things platform rot.

  • @20eyesmisfit
    @20eyesmisfit 11 місяців тому +4272

    Doing Hutch dirty, respect your people that helped make your platform popular.

    • @20eyesmisfit
      @20eyesmisfit 11 місяців тому +3

      @Oppp Lol Lol, mmm pizza.

    • @frostbullet1188
      @frostbullet1188 11 місяців тому +47

      @Cheesers youtube themselves are losing out on money by not allowing them to run ads, its a stupidity thing

    • @samfunfun646
      @samfunfun646 11 місяців тому +72

      Hutch is one of the OG professional UA-camrs too. He's been here since the beginning

    • @20eyesmisfit
      @20eyesmisfit 11 місяців тому +27

      @@samfunfun646 Facts, he's part of what made gaming popular content on UA-cam.

    • @reginaldmustardbacon5866
      @reginaldmustardbacon5866 11 місяців тому +30

      @@20eyesmisfit yes him, apl, sark, seananners too.. dont get as much recognition and respect as they deserve.

  • @emilyyellen4309
    @emilyyellen4309 11 місяців тому +1729

    UA-cam seriously needs to fix these issues, it's so sad to see so many creators coming out with this struggle.

    • @R4r4Gamez
      @R4r4Gamez 11 місяців тому +7

      @ Oppp Lol Stop trolling and your comment sections is full of copy-paste bots comments

    • @gasad01374
      @gasad01374 11 місяців тому

      or UA-cam just doesnt want to pay people the money so they tell them something suspicious happened, refuse to elaborate and then refuse to give them the money

    • @FukaiKokoro
      @FukaiKokoro 11 місяців тому

      Wow, so UA-cam is now blaming creators for the BOT PROBLEM?
      That's UA-cams responsibility not theirs.
      That's why UA-cam needs to crack down on all the spam and bot comments too. Because I think it's related to this problem.
      This whole thing is stupid

    • @randomperson8375
      @randomperson8375 11 місяців тому +8

      @@R4r4Gamez if you see a bot, don't reply to it, just report it. replying makes it seem more real and UA-cam is less likely to do anything about it (that is if they would do anything in the first place because we all know they usually don't)

    • @R4r4Gamez
      @R4r4Gamez 11 місяців тому +2

      @@randomperson8375 thank you. I wasn’t sure it’s a bot but I did report it. Maybe I’ll keep my comment here just so other people can be informed. But I won’t reply to the others.
      Btw I like your username lol

  • @CubeComputerChannel
    @CubeComputerChannel 9 місяців тому +5

    I experienced this back in June... Ever since, ad revenue on my channel has been the lowest in 11 years. The banner message "Ads have been limited on one or more of your videos due to invalid traffic" was present for a couple days, but went away. Ad revenue remained down and estimated monetized playbacks also remained down. I have tried disabling embedding. No result. A couple days ago, I disabled monetization on every single one of my videos (and privated my shorts), generating $0.00 for July 16th. Once earnings data for July 16th showed up in Analytics, guess what else showed up... the IVT message, AGAIN! So basically, it seems that *turning off monetization on all of your videos* can trigger UA-cam's ad limiting protections. Definitely seems like a glitch to me!

  • @SnugglesTheSnuggle
    @SnugglesTheSnuggle 11 місяців тому +30

    UA-cam just straight up needs competition at this point. Without competition, they cam do as they please.

    • @Manj_J
      @Manj_J 11 місяців тому +1

      This^ Competition is the only way to stop these companies from screwing people over by hanging the threat of leaving them and going to another site with our money above their heads for them to shape up and stop screwing everyone over like this

    • @missyelliot6237
      @missyelliot6237 11 місяців тому +9

      Honestly, I’m ready for a new video hosting platform. UA-cam has gone down the shitter and it has been for a while now.

  • @Xeraga
    @Xeraga 11 місяців тому +436

    It's literally impossible for a content creator to control how users are getting to their channels. This is just UA-cam trying to get out of paying creators... again.

    • @insu_na
      @insu_na 11 місяців тому +11

      You are correct, but Adsense is used for other platforms as well. The FAQ page is just a general FAQ page for Adsense, but it makes no sense for UA-cam ads

    • @lordnatu
      @lordnatu 11 місяців тому

      I mean you can buy bots

    • @Sherryreid93
      @Sherryreid93 11 місяців тому +12

      ​@@lordnatu then provide evidence? Its yt platform, they should have all the data and capable to prove the invalid traffic but nahh.

    • @louisbrill891
      @louisbrill891 11 місяців тому +12

      ​​​@@lordnatu no one's contesting that. If youtube can tell which traffic is bad and which traffic is good, why don't they just block the bad traffic instead of fucking over the creator?
      If they have proof the creator did something bad, why don't they show it?

    • @bear_trap107
      @bear_trap107 11 місяців тому +1

      ​@@louisbrill891cause they want to keep the appearance up for advertisers.

  • @jeremiahcollins_
    @jeremiahcollins_ 11 місяців тому +515

    I went through this in 2015. They disabled my entire AdSense for “Invalid Click Activity” during the hype of Vidcon and a bunch of collabs. Lost all my ad revenue and 3-4 weeks later AFTER having an actual HUMAN look into it for me directly at AdSense - they’ve determined it was an “algorithmic change in their system that led to the disabling of MY AdSense” the president of AdSense at the time emailed me himself apologizing and reinstated me. Channel was honestly never the same after that though… they never would’ve looked into had I not known a much larger creator who had a POC at AdSense.
    Unrelated BUT fast forward a few years later I ended up getting my AdSense compromised somehow and they were no help. Went a whole year and a half trying to get help and couldn’t get any and it forced me to stop uploading bc let’s be honest, couldn’t do it for free nearly as much. It killed my channel. Not pointing fingers but it’s a shame how a situation like this can derail an entire career on this platform.
    Since then I was able to create a new AdSense but audience done up and left and understandably so. This was all before the boom of streaming so it was tough to migrate an audience to another platform.
    Hard not to live with the “what ifs” my channel was growing rapidly at the time and it seemed to glitched everything. Hope Hutch gets it fixed asap and he can continue his dreams.

    • @ArmanZaidi
      @ArmanZaidi 11 місяців тому +17

      that is so disheartening man, i hope ludwigs exposure of this issue can help out some creators

    • @hyprjay
      @hyprjay 11 місяців тому +12

      i have similar story in the beginning of 2016... same thing happened to me. i literally just commented my story and then read urs....it made me feel like sh*t tbh... it made me wonder how many others like us are out there? i lost around 21k subs.. nothing major but to me, i was just a dude playing clash of clans.. that was huge, my channel drove a deep passion and want to continue being the best at the game... so i was bummed when it was all taken away. i literally quit videography as a whole since. my twitter still has all the links from Clash of clans and my CWL MVP season but the game isnt the same to me anymore nor is creating YT videos.. truly hope the best for ya man.

    • @kyles2592
      @kyles2592 11 місяців тому +5

      I assume they don't reimburse you for the time that you were losing out on this income, so is there any legal recourse considering your loss was due to a failure on their end?

    • @fiddleburg5520
      @fiddleburg5520 11 місяців тому +3

      man youtube is such a clusterfuck

    • @blazechaos212
      @blazechaos212 11 місяців тому

      Yeah, the problem is that it's either the creator should steer away from the things that invite "invalid traffic" or hope that the viewer doesn't do things such as save a video for a playlist or "watch later" as it is considered invalid traffic as no one would watch a video if they are saved for later or in a playlist. There are quite a few tutorials for invalid traffic, this one is for my local language but there's English subtitles: ua-cam.com/video/qbtG2phiFM8/v-deo.html

  • @Cornincarnate
    @Cornincarnate 11 місяців тому +15

    Could the issue be the rise of VPNs? UA-cam sees the same IP clicking an ad 20,000 times and gets suspicious.

    • @SophiaAstatine
      @SophiaAstatine 11 місяців тому

      Do you really think VPNs is the only way UA-cam keeps track of who you are? You're fingerprinted in so many ways from your hardware to a ton of multifarious cookies, to UA-cam having your account and likely also being able to tell you're routing through a VPN. They're not at all confused about who is watching what.

    • @missyelliot6237
      @missyelliot6237 11 місяців тому

      Wowwww you’re smart!! This would make a lot of sense actually.

  • @Dynamicdx
    @Dynamicdx 11 місяців тому +74

    wouldnt be suprised if this is just a new way for YT to not have to pay their creators

  • @Mellomelt
    @Mellomelt 11 місяців тому +865

    Wish UA-cam actually did their job of communicating and listening to their creators. UA-camrs should not have to worry about this

    • @Willerhide
      @Willerhide 11 місяців тому +1

      This is so true "Mello Melt"

    • @giohollowchannel
      @giohollowchannel 11 місяців тому

      Yeah. Even for small youtubers and including me. I lost my channel terminated last year.
      Now yesterday my second oldest channel has copyright terminated.
      Being YT hoping to be enough is enough.

    • @hell1942
      @hell1942 11 місяців тому +1

      ​@@Willerhide I don't get it, I see this kind of comment all the time
      So true "insert name"
      What are you trying to do, are you trying to be sarcastic or some shit

    • @auser1078
      @auser1078 11 місяців тому

      @@Willerhide omg its the person that earned tubbos respect and vitalasys favorite creator

    • @CrymsonNite
      @CrymsonNite 11 місяців тому +1

      UA-cam removed "broadcast yourself" years before the parent company Google removed "don't be evil" from their ToS

  • @JayzBOT
    @JayzBOT 11 місяців тому +3734

    Mogul Mail is the type of guy to make a video yelling at UA-cam who is basically his employer, Ludwig would never.

    • @pleasestfu324
      @pleasestfu324 11 місяців тому +13

      Fr

    • @sydney5887
      @sydney5887 11 місяців тому +37

      And then go live 2seconds later 😂😂

    • @deadboltzz5199
      @deadboltzz5199 11 місяців тому +3

      The joke is over he legit came out and said he's mogul mail.

    • @tielessin
      @tielessin 11 місяців тому +14

      Mogul Mail is the guy Ludwig wishes he could be

    • @Ti7an
      @Ti7an 11 місяців тому +2

      Also Mogul Mail is just as great as Ludwin

  • @canadianguy7291
    @canadianguy7291 11 місяців тому +52

    The timing of this whole situation feels so odd to me. At a time where we’re seeing massive tech layoffs we’re not seeing youtube starting to tighten their wallet to paying people money they deserve while saying, “its your fault figure it out”

    • @anhkhoa2172
      @anhkhoa2172 11 місяців тому

      Now that you say it, I do think like you too, but there is a problem, how does youtube choose who to demonetize, according to the video all of the people seem to be small content creator, but there are some creator with big paycheck like 25k ones, how does youtube know who to fuck up so that they don't get in trouble in the future?

    • @shawnhiggins1005
      @shawnhiggins1005 11 місяців тому

      @@anhkhoa2172 they don’t, they just using math and a graph to figure it out. My assumption would be they won’t target the lower 20% since it will cause a stink with how many they would need to do it to to make a profit and they don’t know who could make it big and becomes a cash cow, i assume they would leave the top 30% to 40% alone or even give special exceptions to their “standards” depending that leaves about 40% from there they determine “how old is the account, and does it see foreseeable growth? Are people watching older videos? If so just demonetized them now and profit of their old videos” or something along those lines this is all an assumption though i would probably make more strict check marks and gaging for it if it were “me” with a bunch of checks and balances to make it extra scummy and very profitable

    • @anhkhoa2172
      @anhkhoa2172 11 місяців тому

      @@shawnhiggins1005 I see, I think they are doing some trick using graph and what not to determine who will be success and who will not in their early career in YT. If that's true that kinda f up, imagine you are a content creator on YT and YT refuse to pay you because they predict you to be unsuccessful in the future, so it's not worth the YT money to invest into them in the long run.

  • @Judgenat
    @Judgenat 11 місяців тому +11

    UA-cam trying to have Hutch figure out why he has invalid traffic is like leaving your grandpa to figure out why his phone isn’t connecting to the Wi-Fi. He had no way to figure it.

  • @pyxidus_
    @pyxidus_ 11 місяців тому +223

    I think this problem is even greater than UA-cam and spans up the ladder to Google itself. I started getting into game development as a hobby and uploaded my game to the app store/google play store for my friends and family to play. I signed up for google ads for the fun of it to try it out and I made literally just pennies off of the couple hundred downloads my game got. somehow though, I got my entire google ads account terminated with no chance of getting it back for the same “invalid traffic” garb. my game had like 200 downloads so I don’t see how I could possibly be a threat, yet somehow I got hunted down and banned without warning

    • @thememelord5975
      @thememelord5975 11 місяців тому +38

      Yeah I’m convinced they are doing this on purpose just so they don’t have to pay others

    • @Weeniehutnurse
      @Weeniehutnurse 11 місяців тому +14

      Im thinking it’s people with Adblock or something similar causing invalid traffic because they want to make sure their greedy ad buyers are happy

  • @seosamh_
    @seosamh_ 11 місяців тому +477

    Hutch is a UA-cam OG, so sad the situation he's been put it

    • @ManOfParody
      @ManOfParody 11 місяців тому +11

      Always loved Hutch. Didn't like his switch to politics, but man is still a legend.

    • @justjuniorjaw
      @justjuniorjaw 11 місяців тому +5

      @@ManOfParody It's quite easy to palate him if SeaNanners is around. He keeps the fun and positivity around.

    • @SophiaAstatine
      @SophiaAstatine 11 місяців тому

      @@justjuniorjaw Or Sark. Maybe if Hutch screwed with politics a little less, he'd also be a dad by now hehe. Still love him all the same of course.

  • @oni7486
    @oni7486 11 місяців тому +22

    This is actually really smart. Create a solutionless money saving problem and target those too small to defend themselves

  • @bairdbusiness
    @bairdbusiness 11 місяців тому +4

    Thank you for posting about this! Ive had this issue since December. Ive submitted dozens of support tickets but UA-cam/Google has been zero help

  • @coulr7619
    @coulr7619 11 місяців тому +511

    it's good to see ludwig still makes his opinions clear even if he has a contract/bias with company at hand

    • @leseed23
      @leseed23 11 місяців тому +33

      wdym ludwig, mogul mail killed him months ago

    • @pleasestfu324
      @pleasestfu324 11 місяців тому +25

      Mogul mail killed that dude a while ago

    • @webbyman
      @webbyman 11 місяців тому

      Who is Ludwig?

  • @masteroogwgay
    @masteroogwgay 11 місяців тому +2214

    2 of my channels got demonetized aswell. I'm losing 1.5 billion views a month of ad revenue now. Thankfully I got 2 other accounts I'm still getting money though. Hope this issue gets fixed soon, because if they don't a lot of creators will just leave the platform for something else. Including me.
    Edit: Thanks for bringing this to light Ludwig.

    • @ALW4YS_TIR3D
      @ALW4YS_TIR3D 11 місяців тому +36

      Oh, that sucks ass man.

    • @broderickartist5153
      @broderickartist5153 11 місяців тому +32

      we wish you luck, your an Inspiration to all of us

    • @vihaanraizada9379
      @vihaanraizada9379 11 місяців тому +10

      fuckin tragic man

    • @pizzahunter1717
      @pizzahunter1717 11 місяців тому +28

      I wish you the best of luck master. Hopefully more lessons are soon to come.

    • @KingSammelot
      @KingSammelot 11 місяців тому +21

      Jesus that's insane, hope you can get the monetization back

  • @recreationtime
    @recreationtime 11 місяців тому +12

    This honestly feels like it would be illegal in every other job context

    • @aeway_
      @aeway_ 11 місяців тому

      It would be! UA-cam needs to be regulated in a much stricter way, as well as all social media sites. Completely unnaceptable, and this is literally UA-cam stealing money from creators. Wage theft.

    • @Sr.Anonimo-bk1uz
      @Sr.Anonimo-bk1uz 8 місяців тому

      They can get away with all kinds of things and blaming into things that cant be proven, so Id say its not too far off to for example, firing/discriminating because of racism or whatever, but putting any excuse because they'd get consequences if they said it out loud

  • @XDeej
    @XDeej 11 місяців тому +36

    I would be devastated to experience something like this. I work with a few folks that are pushing hard for monetization and I'd be beside myself if it all disappeared with absolutely no path towards resolution. It means a great deal when someone in Ludwig's position not only takes a stand, but does so at the risk of catching heat for it on the back end. Kuddos and appreciation.

    • @Mindykins
      @Mindykins 11 місяців тому +2

      Definitely a little disheartening...
      Thank you, Ludwig, for putting this together and using your platform to bring more attention to this. Hopefully it can get it resolved

  • @jamimakinen3751
    @jamimakinen3751 11 місяців тому +143

    UA-cam competing with Twitch and Twitter on who can make worse choices in a single year.

  • @bllyfran8500
    @bllyfran8500 11 місяців тому +104

    Don't they realize that this can be weaponized really badly

    • @iHaveLostControlOfMyLife
      @iHaveLostControlOfMyLife 11 місяців тому +8

      i assume it already is being weaponized

    • @Synol
      @Synol 11 місяців тому

      They will keep doing it until someone takes them to court and wins. That's how capitalism works.

    • @michaelb4439
      @michaelb4439 11 місяців тому

      I wouldn't be surprised if that was one of the intended features of this policy. As cable slowly dies, mainstream media, Hollywood, television and streaming networks are all bleeding viewers to independent content creators.

    • @Sr.Anonimo-bk1uz
      @Sr.Anonimo-bk1uz 8 місяців тому

      I assume that either it isnt weaponized or big youtubers arent affected by it, because those are more likely to have haters or idk, maybe the botting needs to be bigger to count as invalid traffic

  • @astr0duck
    @astr0duck 11 місяців тому +3

    Super dope of you to make a video about this Lud. This issue is definitely something that needs more awareness and hopefully a fast fix.

  • @StrawberryGS
    @StrawberryGS 11 місяців тому +5

    UA-cam doesn't understand how this is someone's livelihood, and the effect that can have on a modest-sized creator from an economically challenged area. Thank you for standing up for those without the voice to stand up for themselves.

  • @thechilipepper3775
    @thechilipepper3775 11 місяців тому +21

    At which point will people weaponize bots against channels where someone bot floods someone's channels just to trigger invalid traffic or is that what we're dealing with rn

  • @MRAVOIGT
    @MRAVOIGT 11 місяців тому +87

    I'm glad this story is gaining some traction. Hutch posted two videos on this topic months ago and has lost around a years worth of revenue. I hope all the creators find representation.

  • @coolestgameralivewow6207
    @coolestgameralivewow6207 11 місяців тому +12

    Honestly at this point I doubt UA-cam will do anything after everything they've done to their creators. Unless people actively leave the platform

  • @Dysfunction
    @Dysfunction 11 місяців тому +12

    Hey Lud, I’m a creator who is also going through the exact same thing as Hutch and I’ve been without my monetization for a year now because of this kind of targeting. It’s extremely demotivating to be in this situation so thank you for making this video. Im hoping something good can come of it for people like us who have been affected.

    • @missyelliot6237
      @missyelliot6237 11 місяців тому

      I clicked on your page and it said “joined 13 years ago.” Wow. Sorry you’re dealing with this dude.

  • @MikeMan1060
    @MikeMan1060 11 місяців тому +25

    It really feels like youtube just sits around and comes up with new ways to ruin the website

  • @konnor9430
    @konnor9430 11 місяців тому +26

    that mannequin in the back stays freaking me out every time i watch a mogul mail.

  • @dvn.s_0069
    @dvn.s_0069 11 місяців тому +1

    The Invalid Traffic situation would make an interesting class action.

  • @GoDogChainsaw
    @GoDogChainsaw 10 місяців тому +2

    I was struck with this same "issue" just two weeks ago, THE DAY right after my Adsense was all sorted out and verified. Now, I am a relatively small channel compared to most, but what really felt like a kick in the balls and hurt me the most was that the email that notified mde of this was basically sent to me THE DAY BEFORE my birthday this year (June 19th). I remember just feeling so devastated and hopeless.

  • @quagel6960
    @quagel6960 11 місяців тому +106

    Sounds like they've got a machine learning model they don't understand.

    • @Teapose
      @Teapose 11 місяців тому +45

      You ever notice how when UA-cam fucks up, or something automated (that's DEFINITELY NOT AUTOMATED, NUH UH WE HAVE HUMANS HITTING BUTTONS) their best response seems to be "it's not my fault" or "we don't know"? Almost like they've completely lost control of the website due to all the automated processes they've baked into daily ops? Interesting.

  • @Snowy0428
    @Snowy0428 11 місяців тому +22

    When Mogul Mail guy said "Main Channel", I flinched. Did not realize this is a second channel! He must be popping off on his main channel!!

  • @JakeMcCollum
    @JakeMcCollum 11 місяців тому +2

    This is so annoying… Bless the creators that are having to deal with this monstrosity.

  • @JeremyMcLeanNovels
    @JeremyMcLeanNovels 11 місяців тому +2

    This reminds me of an issue I had with Amazon. I self-publish, and have my books exclusive to Amazon for people who use their subscription service. I did an ad once that got a lot of those subscription reads, then 3 months later they said it was bots and that if it keeps happening then they would ban my books. I did everything I could to stop it, removed the ad, etc, but it kept happening for some reason and I had to take myself off the subscription program.
    I think it happened to enough people though, and enough authors removed themselves from the subscription service, that they eventually changed the wording in their policy that they'll just remove the bot reads and the revenue from it, but won't affect your account. It'd be impossible to do the same here, especially for bigger creators who have employees that rely on the revenue, but it would sure get their attention if some of the biggest creators turned off monetization for even a brief period.

  • @OberynOswald
    @OberynOswald 11 місяців тому +18

    I used to work for a company that had a mantra that unless a new feature, update or rework of an old feature could earn them at least $20m it wasn't worth the time and costs. UA-cam is significantly larger and I could imagine that they look at this problem as so miniscule compared to their other 'problems' or projects that they won't bother looking into it, but rather parry away or ignore the attention it is getting until people stop complaining, saving the time and costs associated with fixing the problem. Very sad situation though and I feel for all the small creators especially who rely on AdSense for survival.

  • @doctorcis3510
    @doctorcis3510 11 місяців тому +15

    Their statement about how to prevent invalid traffic sounds like passive aggressive business language for, "stop paying for clicks, we aren't going to directly accuse you because then you can argue it, but we are accusing you."

    • @BrokenNoah
      @BrokenNoah 11 місяців тому +4

      And the way it was worded doesn't actually mean anything or helpful at all, it's just a word salad.

  • @YoursUntruly
    @YoursUntruly 11 місяців тому +2

    I’m so glad you covered this. I made a twitter specifically to tweet this to you a couple months back.

  • @Steve-ew3nl
    @Steve-ew3nl 11 місяців тому +3

    youtube needs a real competitor, nothing will ever get better until that happens

  • @amberhernandez
    @amberhernandez 11 місяців тому +62

    I'm a big fan of how M.M. takes time and enunciates his words. I can still understand exactly what he mean when playing the video at 1.5x speed to digest the daily slop faster!

  • @GypsumGeneration
    @GypsumGeneration 11 місяців тому +16

    Hutch is as OG as it gets, he deserves better.

  • @paulyguitary7651
    @paulyguitary7651 11 місяців тому +5

    Can’t wait for the class action lawsuit that creators file when they get tired of Googles BS.

  • @YourBestFriendSomeWhiteGuy
    @YourBestFriendSomeWhiteGuy 11 місяців тому +5

    What a genius system - put the responsibility on the creator even though he's got zero control.

  • @ComandanteYT
    @ComandanteYT 11 місяців тому +24

    As an incredibly small channel, this is terrifying…

    • @ComandanteYT
      @ComandanteYT 11 місяців тому +3

      @@drowsiiggI just barely got monetized. It’s scary to think something so stupid could ruin any chance for me making it

    • @BrokenNoah
      @BrokenNoah 11 місяців тому +1

      @@ComandanteYT Yeah and the idea that issues with the platform has to be called out by bigger UA-camrs first to get some reaction from YT is just whack

    • @ComandanteYT
      @ComandanteYT 11 місяців тому +1

      @@BrokenNoah exactly. We small creators would be completely f*cked

  • @emilydennie2712
    @emilydennie2712 11 місяців тому +134

    As a Software Engineer, there is likely an algorithm that is checking for this. My guess would be that this algorithm (whether or not AI) has a bug in it where it’s wayyy too sensitive. Likely it’s seeing if the clicks are greater than a specific amount. But sense they aren’t giving any explanations I am also guessing that it’s a known problem, that is on someone’s backlog or that it’s AI that they don’t know how to make it less sensitive or a combination of both. Anyways it’s their problem and they should be be handling this better on the customer service side.

    • @swordsman1137
      @swordsman1137 11 місяців тому +4

      In a way, somehow i felt that we too depended on AI (or other automatic system). As long the output is something they expected on what they put into as input, they will rely on it without understanding what happened inside the "black box". I probably wrong, but the overall vibe of social media give me this feeling

    • @blazechaos212
      @blazechaos212 11 місяців тому +3

      Another problem is that the creator needs to hope that the viewer doesn't do things such as save a video for a playlist or "watch later" as it is considered invalid traffic as no one would watch a video if they are saved for later or in a playlist. There are quite a few tutorials for invalid traffic, this one is for my local language but there's English subtitles: ua-cam.com/video/qbtG2phiFM8/v-deo.html

    • @Jenstyler1
      @Jenstyler1 11 місяців тому +1

      If it was overly sensitive, I'd asusme big ass channels like LTT, MKBHD, PewDiePie, etc would have a much worse problem of "invalid traffic" but they get a pass from youtube cause they're too big.

    • @eleonoremarymadone9859
      @eleonoremarymadone9859 11 місяців тому +1

      Could this possibly be due to the use of a VPN? I know it sounds too simplistic but I thought I'd ask a software engineer. I heard some people got their Etsy stores shut down out of nowhere after many years just because they started using a VPN to log into their accounts. Does a VPN create the impression of invalid traffic? I use a VPN and sometimes Twitter tells me they have detected unusual traffic, Google does the same, I can't log into Facebook when I use it, and I was trying to create an account on Etsy but couldn't even log into the website with the VPN on. Then I saw a thread on VPN and Etsy while investigating online

    • @thecipher8495
      @thecipher8495 11 місяців тому

      @@eleonoremarymadone9859 You got a point, but for me I don't use VPN but still get the unusual traffic but only sometimes in google search, like I'm being flagged as a bot. It might be a really bad internet connection etc. on my end.

  • @elephantjuice2183
    @elephantjuice2183 11 місяців тому +4

    Hutch literally was one of the OG's that paved the way for all gaming channels and gets done dirty like this.

  • @mariehappyym.3296
    @mariehappyym.3296 11 місяців тому +3

    Why has UA-cam not addressed this ? It’s happening to more and more creators

  • @patrickoconnell9387
    @patrickoconnell9387 11 місяців тому +47

    Sounds like it's time for a class action lawsuit. UA-cam is stealing money.

    • @FukaiKokoro
      @FukaiKokoro 11 місяців тому +2

      UA-cam needs to step tf up and figure something out to at least try to clean up the bot problem. Especially the spam bots. The spam bots and this problem seems related.
      Definitely agree it should be some sort of class action

    • @basictrainer
      @basictrainer 11 місяців тому +4

      “Class action lawsuit” lol

    • @20eyesmisfit
      @20eyesmisfit 11 місяців тому +2

      Can't do anything legally, they're protected by terms of service. And how can they steal from themselves?

    • @noisepollution4473
      @noisepollution4473 11 місяців тому +2

      They're not stealing money, they're kneecapping their own revenue sources. They are losing money out of some weird, worship-like devotion to the algorithm. They trust their algorithm more than they trust people, they back their algorithm up even at the cost of revenue. It's actually insane.

    • @svenjorgensenn8418
      @svenjorgensenn8418 11 місяців тому

      @@noisepollution4473 no, they are bleeding potential revenue by sharing ad time with channels they deem repetitive or socially unnecessary. They want to take back the ad money because they believe there are too many shit videos making money.

  • @notgonatell3154
    @notgonatell3154 11 місяців тому +65

    I personally think that ad-block probably causes the 'invalid traffic' on all these accounts. UA-cam most likely detects that there is a large amount of views on an account that are not being served ads even though they fit within the target audience for ads, and then flags it as so. The gaming space sees this more frequently because of 'gaming' browsers with built in ad-block and people in this space being more knowledgeable about tech in general.

    • @DTwoHS
      @DTwoHS 11 місяців тому +9

      Isn't it the opposite problem, though? There are too many clicks on ads, not too few. My theory is that click farms are clicking on random stuff so as to not get noticed when they boost a separate channel, but they're inadvertently making real channels seem like they're engaging in fraud. Veritasium talked about the issue on Facebook before: ua-cam.com/video/oVfHeWTKjag/v-deo.html

    • @user-svqmbiv
      @user-svqmbiv 11 місяців тому +10

      @@DTwoHS there are add-ons that actually block and click on the ads in order to obfuscate tracking. So, not an unreasonable theory actually

    • @ianlawvoiceover1056
      @ianlawvoiceover1056 11 місяців тому +1

      My theory is that it comes from Google wants you to use their ad service to gain traction so they can get a cut of your pie.

    • @Tao_Tology
      @Tao_Tology 11 місяців тому +2

      Translation: google gains no benefit from a channel/channels where folk aren't seeing ads.

    • @svenjorgensenn8418
      @svenjorgensenn8418 11 місяців тому

      @@DTwoHS social media is just bots.... you don't say

  • @EdCodes
    @EdCodes 11 місяців тому +5

    This is exactly what happened to my channel about 5 weeks ago. Went from making over $1k/month to just $50 this past month. No idea why it's happening or how to fix it. I have never done anything shady like buying clicks or views, I barely even share my videos anywhere.

    • @codepointers
      @codepointers 9 місяців тому +1

      Same for me.

    • @Sr.Anonimo-bk1uz
      @Sr.Anonimo-bk1uz 8 місяців тому

      There's the possibility that someone else did it, but youtube will put all the blame on the creator

    • @HeisenbergTM
      @HeisenbergTM 7 днів тому

      did you fix it?

  • @NickWebsUS
    @NickWebsUS 11 місяців тому +1

    Props for shining the light on this. The way Hutch got cornered and shut down should be put to an end in some kind of policy. They're the ones need to be investigating.

  • @imaginryPenguin
    @imaginryPenguin 11 місяців тому +27

    I’m glad you’re covering this. Been watching hutch since like 2014

  • @Benefits
    @Benefits 11 місяців тому +22

    Interesting that this started happening to multiple creators in April of 2022. Almost every case I've seen of this started happening at the exact same time. That should be a pretty big sign to UA-cam that something they did to their website in April of 2022 caused this.

    • @MusicMixems
      @MusicMixems 11 місяців тому +6

      Yeah, nobody is saying anything about this but I find this to be a very important detail makes this look very much like an error on UA-cams end that is hurting so many creators

    • @BrokenNoah
      @BrokenNoah 11 місяців тому +1

      Yeah, I'm too lazy right now to sift through the YT subreddit but I remember a number of people posting about this about a year ago. Perhaps I'd post this video there and see what comes out of the woodwork.

    • @jessFACE90
      @jessFACE90 11 місяців тому

      There have been a few “waves” November 2022, December 2022 (when I was hit), January 2023, and another around late March/early April 2023

  • @JamieFenn
    @JamieFenn 10 місяців тому +7

    Thank you for making this. This has DESTROYED my channel. Making 80% less ALL of a sudden. UA-cam support is absolutely terrible. NO one is taking accountability. UA-cam is failing us creators. They don't give a ____

  • @A1D4Nk
    @A1D4Nk 11 місяців тому +1

    Thanks for talking about this. I hate seeing hutch go through this. That man deserves way better than how UA-cam is doing him right now

  • @LoveHandle4890
    @LoveHandle4890 11 місяців тому +86

    UA-cam needs to fix their whole platform, actually.

    • @IronWolf123
      @IronWolf123 11 місяців тому

      And their new layout

    • @sadmermaid
      @sadmermaid 11 місяців тому +3

      The bots that steal comments and somehow is still one of the top liked comments. (Aria, we don't want you here!)

    • @sadmermaid
      @sadmermaid 11 місяців тому +4

      And stop recommending me videos I've seen before instead of the hundreds of channels I'm subbed to.

    • @FukaiKokoro
      @FukaiKokoro 11 місяців тому

      Wow, so UA-cam is now blaming creators for the BOT PROBLEM?
      That's UA-cams responsibility not theirs.
      That's why UA-cam needs to crack down on all the spam and bot comments too. Because I think it's related to this problem.
      UA-cam has allowed the spam bots and bot accounts to go out of control. Like a wildfire left unattended.
      UA-cam needs to step tf up and somehow figure something out to target the spam bots.

    • @sadmermaid
      @sadmermaid 11 місяців тому

      @@cheesers2084 not to out myself here, but I think there's ludbuds younger than my UA-cam account lol. Like C'mon UA-cam, you should know what I want to see by now!

  • @UHOHTONIO
    @UHOHTONIO 11 місяців тому +39

    Props to you bro for being completely unbiased and risking ur contract with UA-cam

  • @Bigfoot_With_Internet_Access
    @Bigfoot_With_Internet_Access 11 місяців тому +6

    I think over the last few years youtube has been shifting all the moderation to AI without doing the effort to actually properly train their AI bots to not make these simple misstates. That's why there have been so many bs demonetizations, terminations, age restrictions, and strikes over the last few years

  • @BrennanValeski
    @BrennanValeski 11 місяців тому +4

    Thank you so much Ludwig for covering this story!!! The invalid traffic issue has been affecting my channel as well!

    • @missyelliot6237
      @missyelliot6237 11 місяців тому

      I wonder if this has something to do with accounts that are 13 yrs old. You’re the third person I’ve seen in this comment section have this issue and all of the acts are like yours, joined 13yrs ago.

  • @impossibleJump
    @impossibleJump 11 місяців тому +4

    Had something very similar happen to me and it makes me sad to see it's not just me that had to go through this

  • @Ryzrr
    @Ryzrr 11 місяців тому +12

    How is this still a thing? Dude I remember 10 years ago people in the CoD scene would view bot people's channels or banner ads to get their channel closed. How is this not resolved 10 years later

    • @BrokenNoah
      @BrokenNoah 11 місяців тому +1

      The bigger a company is, the slower they move.

    • @Ryzrr
      @Ryzrr 11 місяців тому

      @@BrokenNoah that would be a fair assessment if it was 6-12 months. 10 years is negligence

    • @BrokenNoah
      @BrokenNoah 11 місяців тому +3

      @@Ryzrr 6 - 12 months is quite being generous. I've been employed by two multinational corporations in my career before - without naming, one was a BPO company handling BCBS and FedEx contracts among other things and the other one was a Japanese electronics company and based off my experience as middle management for both, there were issues you would think they would have resolved quickly or at least not let balloon to what the problem originally was, but internal bureaucracy, managers not wanting to rock the boat, temp fixes that proved ineffective in the long run, and even leadership turnover and attrition, next thing you know, years have passed and the thing that was just an itch in the beginning is now a pus-filled, rotten wound.

    • @missyelliot6237
      @missyelliot6237 11 місяців тому

      So messed up

  • @user-svqmbiv
    @user-svqmbiv 11 місяців тому +1

    Haven't watched the video yet, but a UA-camr by the name of Hutts went through something like this. UA-cam incorrectly demonetized him, but they were still playing ads on his videos and they just took the money.

  • @BoeyBear
    @BoeyBear 11 місяців тому +1

    Thank you so much for using your platform to give us smaller creators a voice 💛 Our channel was demonetised in 2021 for this exact same issue and most interestingly, it happened straight after our channel blew up via Browse Features i.e. traffic sent to us by UA-cam themselves - just as you highlighted at the end of your video. We will keep re-appealing and thank you again for shouting out about this.

  • @JacksonSadinsky
    @JacksonSadinsky 11 місяців тому +5

    Hey lud, just wanted to say its pretty cool that you're using your platform for good. Been really happy with how mogul mail has been conducted. Keep it up!

  • @staffyktv
    @staffyktv 11 місяців тому +22

    As a little creator, this stuff is terrifying and I just wish UA-cam would look after the people who make the platform

  • @terakahn
    @terakahn 11 місяців тому

    Glad you're putting a spotlight on this. I've been watching Hutch since I was in high school pretty much and its crazy that this kind of thing can happen to someone who's been on the platform this long.
    Just when I thought youtube was going to rise up and replace twitch for me.

  • @tpryan22
    @tpryan22 11 місяців тому +3

    Would love to see a video on this whole MagnatesMedia situation, a million subscriber channel where someone filed three copyright strikes against him for like 7 seconds that is complete bs and now his channel might be deleted for nothing. Since you have connections to UA-cam maybe you can spread the word on this situation or help out!

  • @WafflesInTheRain
    @WafflesInTheRain 11 місяців тому +7

    So many integrity moves lately, just looking out for others for the sake of doing it. Love what you do!

  • @MaxStanger13
    @MaxStanger13 11 місяців тому +5

    Mogul Mail ALSO has a contract with yt?!?!

  • @talkashie
    @talkashie 8 місяців тому +2

    A relative's channel just got hit by this. Their revenue was cut by 80% overnight and has not come back up in about 3 days so far. I hope you can make a followup video on this at some point because it's definitely still destroying people's livelihoods. UA-cam support just copy-and-pastes the "here's what you shouldn't do" link if you ask for help, but they don't seem interested in actually fixing the issue.

  • @PressStartToLaugh
    @PressStartToLaugh 11 місяців тому +1

    I just got hit with a 30 day suspension for “invalid traffic”. No idea why. I have been doing UA-cam nearly 11 years. Why would I risk my hard work and a decade of my life for any reason? The only thing I’ve been told by support is “fix it”. Fix WHAT? I can’t fix something I never did. Very frustrating and I hope UA-cam takes a look at this. Thanks Lud for hopefully bringing this to their attention.

  • @junfusionseven9431
    @junfusionseven9431 11 місяців тому +3

    at this point youtube is working HARDER than ever to find ways to NOT pay his creators and he is winning

  • @ChimaeraTom
    @ChimaeraTom 11 місяців тому +3

    Wait so this means if there's a UA-camr I really don't like, I can spend a small amount of money to buy bots to watch their channel. And then it will be demonetised and ruin their career/hobby. This is FANTASTIC news. Even better I could blackmail them, threatening to do it! What wonderful news.

  • @ValorantCurios
    @ValorantCurios 11 місяців тому +2

    Been having the same invalid traffic issues across a few of my new channels. Nothing demonetized yet though but it's a fear for sure. How annoying

    • @CaffeinatedBlogger
      @CaffeinatedBlogger 11 місяців тому +1

      Check your RPM though - is your RPM affected? There are 1000's of channels affected by this bug right now - RPM goes down to about $2 - driven by the fact that they stop showing targeted Skippable ads on the channels

    • @ValorantCurios
      @ValorantCurios 11 місяців тому

      @@CaffeinatedBlogger yeah basically mine atm are video-based. So few videos get he error and tank the RPM. Then it recovers. But its happened twice and now my fear is if it keeps happening UA-cam will demonetize it

  • @Sunnywastakentoo
    @Sunnywastakentoo 11 місяців тому +1

    “Invalid traffic” -> “we don’t want to pay you.”

  • @jamescruz8678
    @jamescruz8678 11 місяців тому +28

    The need for a true competitor to UA-cam grows and grows by the day. I guarantee that UA-cam would be _all over_ this problem and fix it within a month if some company out there threatened their position in the market so they can keep being the #1 option.
    It's a shame that's never going to happen. UA-cam is too big, in its resources or in its financial might or in its stranglehold over our culture, to allow any competitors to even poke them.

    • @svenjorgensenn8418
      @svenjorgensenn8418 11 місяців тому

      Google is funded by state governments, good luck

    • @__-xd8lm
      @__-xd8lm 11 місяців тому

      Not if enough huge creators set it up and publicized it. It would have to be a big move, almost like a UNIONIZED move, and they’d have to have enough clout coming onboard to secure some advertisers ahead of time too. Even whispers of a plan for something like that might be enough to scare youtube into action. Creators’ Union has a nice ring to it, no?

    • @missyelliot6237
      @missyelliot6237 11 місяців тому +1

      Give it time. UA-cam is super shitty and now with the ever-evolving tech industry and rise of content creators who use these social media platforms to maintain their livelihood, it’s only a matter of time before something better is created. It wouldn’t be easy but the motivation behind making this happen is growing more and more as UA-cam continues to fuck over their creators.

  • @Mogarl
    @Mogarl 11 місяців тому +3

    So does that mean that if someone made a bot to to click on all the ads for someone's youtube channel you could get them demonitized? Or did I misinterpret something?

    • @drake7993
      @drake7993 11 місяців тому +1

      Yes you could do exactly that

  • @Novagats
    @Novagats 11 місяців тому +2

    Please do more than just post this video. You have a lot more pull than you probably think, and this needs to be elevated to the highest levels. What UA-cam is doing with “invalid traffic” is not just unfair and incomprehensible, it’s evil

  • @SomeRandomGuy2112
    @SomeRandomGuy2112 11 місяців тому +1

    Hutch is one of THE OG’s of online gameplay commentary, genuinely a legend in the space. He’s being done so dirty by UA-cam man.

  • @TheRhedNova
    @TheRhedNova 11 місяців тому +3

    Of all the broken issues UA-cam has had, this is by far the worst - maybe not in general impact, but in how transparently clear it is that this is something UA-cam is doing wrong. Most problems they have are just poor decisions to cater; this legitimately seems like either a huge bug, or potentially illegal activity by making false claims in order to justify lower payouts to keep advertisers on board.

  • @barrythelad7793
    @barrythelad7793 11 місяців тому +6

    glad to see mogulmail take on youtube, other people like ludwig would never have the balls

  • @Short2Fuse
    @Short2Fuse 11 місяців тому +1

    DUDE SAME! I have had my channel struck down for "invalid traffic" when youtube drives 90%+ of the traffic to my channel?! They just auto-denied me and didn't give me any info on the issue at hand.

  • @jordanliles
    @jordanliles 8 місяців тому +1

    This is insane. It's still happening.

  • @averagecontentenjoyer9937
    @averagecontentenjoyer9937 11 місяців тому +4

    No one hurts UA-cam more than UA-cam

  • @Its_Me17
    @Its_Me17 11 місяців тому +3

    Ludwig going live at the exact time of this video uploading 😅

    • @richg6191
      @richg6191 11 місяців тому +1

      Who is Ludwig I thought he died. This is mogul mail???????

  • @CerealOverdrive
    @CerealOverdrive 11 місяців тому

    I’m so glad you covered this!

  • @tyleranderson6533
    @tyleranderson6533 11 місяців тому +1

    UA-cams telling the creator that they are responsible for figuring out the illegal traffic is like the American IRS knowing exactly how much you need to pay for taxes but making you figure it out and penalizing you if you get it wrong 😅

  • @JohnDoe-fw9ty
    @JohnDoe-fw9ty 11 місяців тому +3

    Hutch is one of my favorite streamers, I've been ride or die for him for awhile, and I'm horrified about this situation

  • @l0stbergfred
    @l0stbergfred 11 місяців тому +4

    If there was a platform similar to youtube and not as shady as Kick, UA-cam would be fucked

    • @missyelliot6237
      @missyelliot6237 11 місяців тому

      The tech space is so innovative and constantly rolling out new shit… UA-cam HAS to realize that they can easily be replaced by something better in the future… or at least you would think so.

  • @cal1314
    @cal1314 11 місяців тому

    I haven't heard of Hutch in so long. That hit right in the nostalgia

  • @footbllguy70
    @footbllguy70 11 місяців тому +1

    Hutch is what brought me to UA-cam years ago and kept me on there. Treat your OG's with respect because without them, UA-cam wouldn't be around

  • @Staruri
    @Staruri 11 місяців тому +5

    Only George would let something this tragic take over

  • @ianwalker2259
    @ianwalker2259 11 місяців тому +12

    Seems like a blatant conflict of interest that UA-cam will demonetize content and then still show it anyway, happily keeping the ad revenue. Like, have a shred of integrity.

    • @TheRavenCoder
      @TheRavenCoder 11 місяців тому +3

      UA-cam won't play ads on demonetized videos, so technically they make less money.

    • @ianwalker2259
      @ianwalker2259 11 місяців тому

      @@TheRavenCoder oh really? I have premium. I shouldn't have assumed... shame on me.

  • @corican
    @corican 11 місяців тому

    Thank you for making a video about this!

  • @ProfessorThock
    @ProfessorThock 11 місяців тому +2

    This is massive. Thanks for making a video about it.