I think it's important to point out: I don't hate the game or want it to fail, I want it to be better, I want it to succeed. I'm seeing Master mode flashpoints being brought up a lot and I think it really highlights a big issue with this game, 1 is that this game is bad at introducing you to content and 2 more specifically regarding master mode is that I think its a mistake that class roles only matter in this end game activity, Ideally while levelling you would have activities where roles matter and get situations that facilitate you interacting with other players, getting to know them and that way you would know some people organically when you get to end game and you used to have these things, there were heroic missions while levelling during the class stories and you needed to group up with people for that and class roles used to matter in all flashpoints, so you got used to and more familiar with your class and what it should do, as it stands when you hit level 80 you kinda have to start from scratch, both for getting yourself into a group and learning how to properly heal, tank or dps. As it stands for me the gameplay was so mindless and boring that I didn't think operations and master mode would be much of an improvement but I did say in the video that it was likely you would have to think more in operations but even with that, then 90% of the game is mindless and boring and then we have 10% that would be actually engaging and thats not good enough for me, to me the community that has stuck with this game for all these years deserve better than that.
"I think it's important to point out: I don't hate the game or want it to fail, I want it to be better, I want it to succeed." I call bs on that insulting the game and claim it bad isnt love or want ot see it better it a opinion by the older player who outlived the game.
@@anteprs7908 I talked about the things I disliked, the things that made me wanna stop playing the game, I want those things to be changed or get better, so that I will enjoy the game.
@@CinderSnake saying 40% of the story is good is proof you dont know anything about swtor also swtor is marketed as the best casual and solo freindly mmorpg out there you want more mmo stuff but most mmorpg players play more for the rpg part of the game
Also leveling is not 90% of the game. And ur opinion about pvp makes no sense since u clearly have no clue how to play ur class and playing like completly zoomed it @@CinderSnake
8:20 Newsflash: you can zoom out as far as you want, until your character is a small dot on the screen if the space you are in allows it. if you are in a small tunnel or something, you can't zoom out far. go into "Preference" --> Controls and under General at the top you find "Camera" and find "Camera Max distance" and set that to 100%, then hit apply, then you can zoom out VERY far. As someone that has played and enjoyed this game on and off since launch in 2011, I can tell you that both PvP and PvE in this game is really fun. The operations, at least the first ones (Eternity Vault, Karagga's Palace, Scum & Villany, Terror from beyond and Explosive conflict were very fun to play. 15:45 Example one: Baras screaming at his prisoner, PC Sith Warrior: "Nice lunges you got there" Baras: "Mind your tounge or I will cut it out!". Example 2: Master Kellian Jarro: waving his hand attempting a mind trick "you will drop your weapon and surrender to me" PC Bounty Hunter waving his hand "you will realize what a complete idiot you are" those 2 are 2 of the very memorable moments from 2 class stories.
Clearly my favorite MMO. The devs continue to update it to deliver an incredible universe. For me, the top MMO right now is clearly swtor. To each his own, but to make a whole video just to say that seems to me largely unjustified.
SWTOR has probably changed the most since it's launch among the top level MMO. Being developed with the intent of filling the role of KOTOR 3 the devs mostly followed the FF14 structure for an MMO. A core story for the player to experience solo with raids/dungeons for multiplayer. For a few years they tried to expand the multiplayer but in the end they gave up and went all in on the solo story. Fans have been asking for a new game, either a true KOTOR 3 or a new MMO similar to what Galaxies was but we'll probably never get them. At least not until Disney and Lucasfilms get their acts together. You might want to check out Star Trek Online as well. Like SWTOR some aspects havn't aged well but more entertaining since the story is divided into chapters that work like seasons of a tv show and a mission is an episode.
Adding Star Trek Online to the list! Is the story more in the spirit of the old shows? I was never much of a Star Trek fan but I loved The Orville which I'm assured is very similar to old Star Trek.
@@CinderSnake STO is set in the era after the TNG movies. They reference a lot of content from the shows and even clean up some story lines that were never followed up on. You don't need to know the shows to enjoy it but it adds to the experience.
@@CinderSnake And to answer your Orville question. Orville season 3 is what Star Trek is meant to be and Seth wanted to show that it still worked. The JJ Abrams movies and all the new shows are just terrible. STO is more like the classic Trek and you'll see some Orville season 3 in it.
7:15 SM & VM flashpoints you can play without class roles but not Master Mode. 8:06 Em seriously? You can play the game for free to the completion of all your class story and you're complaining you need to be a subscriber for the endgame stuff such as having a dual class? 8:30 WTF?? You CAN zoom out a LOT. Preferences -> Key Bindings -> Camera and bind keys to zoom in and out, preferably the mouse wheel so you can do it easily back and forth depending on where you are and what you're doing. 9:15 Yeah they're mindless because you're doing SM & VM. Try master mode and it's less mindless. 23:50 Idk if you missed it but they're slowly retconning the Alliance Commander stuff by bringing your faction back into the Republic / Sith Empire 26:01 PVP is not dead but it will be more active at prime hours on each server and during PVP seasons. Given a new season just started I think your game footage come from a period of pause in PVP. 26:45 WRONG again. You clearly have not played MM flashpoints or operations. The content is there but you're not being force fed it. So in conclusion you played the story and some flashpoints, not even the hard ones, didn't do operations, crafting, not interested in strongholds, probably don't even know there are periodic events or daily mission areas (or what their rewards are). You didn't talk about the outfitter, the game economy, achievements, the cartel market. Basically, you played the intro to the game in which the combat is very easy (so that you can learn what the abilities do and how/where to use them), complained you weren't handheld MORE towards the endgame content and then rated this game as bad because it's not KOTOR 3, also because it's an old game. You review is wildly incomplete, unprofessional and utterly pointless. Dislike from me.
how much of a jump in difficulty is it from VM to Master mode? Yeah as I said, they need to make money somehow but it still sucks even if I get it and as for all that story being available for "free", I bought the game and subscribed when it released and have since subscribed a few times and if this was a single player game like kotor, me paying once would be enough to let me play the game forever, changing classes is a good feature that makes the game less dull and it sucks that its behind a paywall. Yes I know how to zoom in and out, is there a setting to let me zoom out more than the default? Played all the class stories years ago and a little now to remind myself and I played KOTFE/T, onslaught and legacy of the sith and currently it feels more like an alliance between 2 groups, rather than my faction joining the other. From what I read about pvp and the seasons it seems pvp "dies" once people have grinded the season.
@@CinderSnake There's a BIG jump in difficulty from VM to MM, just like there is in operations between SM, VM, MM. Like I said, you CANNOT play MM without a healer and a tank and you have to do the mechanics, you can't just ignore them and pew pew till the boss dies. You keep comparing this MMO to single player games. It's not a single player game, the comparison is pointless. As far as the story goes after KOTFE and KOTET the Republic and Empire separate again and you can either have your faction join them or basically work for 1 faction as an independent contractor with your own team of mercenaries. This is why, for instance, you fight Malgus in the Republic version of the FP Objective Meridian whereas in the imperial version you fight Tau Idair. Or in Secrets of the Enclave the republic character fights Colonel Barden Golah whereas the imp character fights Leeha Narezz.
@@fyngolnoldor4891 I keep comparing it to a single player game because it desperately wants to be one, its more accurate to call this a single player game with a multiplayer mode, Most of the time you spend in the game you are alone, just playing the open world I probably saw other players under 10 times and most of it on voss, the only place i reliable saw players was in the fleet, I always felt like I had to go out of my way for group content. A good MMO facilitates and encourages player interaction, SWTOR does not do that. and when it comes to pricing, you can compare literally any 2 games to see how much value you would get out of each choice. Now lets adress your edit. "So in conclusion you played the story and some flashpoints, not even the hard ones, didn't do operations, crafting, not interested in strongholds, probably don't even know there are periodic events or daily mission areas (or what their rewards are). You didn't talk about the outfitter, the game economy, achievements, the cartel market. Basically, you played the intro to the game in which the combat is very easy (so that you can learn what the abilities do and how/where to use them), complained you weren't handheld MORE towards the endgame content and then rated this game as bad because it's not KOTOR 3, also because it's an old game. You review is wildly incomplete, unprofessional and utterly pointless. Dislike from me." Strongholds, achievements, cartel market and outfitter are incredibly minor things that don't really matter, they are this little extra thing, what really matters to me is the actual gameplay, which is why I spent my time talking about that. The only real use of the cartel market is to buy a lightsaber color crystal, or armor for the outfitter, which again is a side thing, I was focused on the main thing, the combat and story. You strawman what I said into handheld when I said "the game did nothing to guide me towards them" if it was an intro that i played then it was a very poor one because it didnt even show me what it was introducing me to. I should not have to use google to see what content this game has. "also because it's an old game." Not at all what I said, I said it's aged poorly and its weird that you twist my words into just "hates old games" given that i praise kotor in the video and kotor is older than swtor. "You review is wildly incomplete, unprofessional and utterly pointless." Disagree, I played the game like someone that is casually going to try the game and because of that I missed out on some elements because the game did a terrible job of introducing them. I've sunk hundreds of hours into this game, that is enough to review the game on but in the spirit of twisting words, you are saying "no its incomplete because you didnt play thousands of hours", cry all you like but what this review presents is what new players are most likely to experience and it is pointless to talk about these extra things like transmogs if the main gameplay loop doesn't hook you and unfortunately that gameplay loop is pretty boring and the only reason I kept going is the story and that too is sometimes boring.
@@CinderSnake I stand by what I said. You make several erroneous statements about the difficulty because you didn't bother trying the difficult content, which is why you keep repeating in the video that there is no point for class roles (dps/heal/tank). You say you like most of the story but then complain it's not as good as KOTOR which is true but again you're comparing a single player game whose only focus is the story from 1 perspective vs an mmo with multiple classes and storylines. "Most of the time you spend in the game you are alone" - Only because you choose to. You can go on fleet and group up with people, you can constantly queue n the group finder for PVE and/or PVP activities. If you go on random levelling planets NOW then yeah, the game probably feels empty because the playerbase has diminished a lot over time. It used to be standard that you grouped up with people for questing and heroics quite spontaneously on planets. The game doesn't want to be a solo experience, YOU want it to be like that. I also like how you nitpicked from the long list of stuff you didn't engage with to say outfitter and cartel market are just aesthetic. Ok, how about events? Did you participate in those? Don't tell me those places were empty because that's a lie, or that people don't group up in event areas for stuff. What about crafting? Did you engage in that? Did you join a guild, did you do conquest together or other guild activities? There are people advertising for guilds all over the place, ESPECIALLY on starter planets and from there you have guild chat where you can group up with people for stuff. Heck, the game even pushes you to do flashpoints after chunks of story. How much more do you expect to be pushed into multiplayer content?
For PvP and really most content you should be using key binds rather than point-and-click. It helps you moves flow better and you develop combos and rotations from them. To make a point, 29:27 is a good example of how you are NOT supposed to play the game (hotkeys with bindings > shuffling around my own abilities). All your abilities are useful, but you have to know what they do, when to use them, and how to chain them. If you don't have that going for you, then I think it is unfair to call the combat "boring" when you haven't played it as it was meant to be played. PvP in SWTOR is a lot of fun but it has one of the largest learning cures IMO. You mentioned the sorc not dying but note that you were playing Jugg which is a bad matchup (think Pokemon or RPS). To beat a sorc you want mobility and burst so the sith assassin/ Jedi shadow or operative/ scoundrel. They are a bad matchup because your class lacks the tools to deal with their bag of tricks. This means you should be playing around their cooldowns, and change target priorities as needed. Even then, the sorc should NOT be able to 1v1 a Jugg. If they fight you fairly they will die, but if the warp out they can take you on. Part of the fun is learning what your class is good at and what it should avoid doing and then playing around with that.
@1Medivh9DSparil9JagarTharn4 lol no. Your mouse should be used for objectives (hut ball, grapple, etc), targeting, and camera angles. Not clicking. All the best players key bind, and unless you have a disability your hand can press a key much faster than it takes to move your mouse. Also you should memorise your rotation lol
Ok. SWTOR has been doing couple of things very bad basically since launch. For example its absolute refusal of explaining its own systems by gameplay is second to none. Although Warframe is VERY close here. When new players arrive to their fleet, they are confused by the sheer number of quest signs. Every single one of that quest will stray them away from their class story and will throw them is one of the many content islands in the game. The basic planets untill correlia/ilum are still suffering from bugs more than a decade old. But seriously KOTOR is doing a lot of things right too. The class stories are subjective, but the execution is IMO the best there is in any MMORPG i had ever played (including GW2, TSW, FF XIV, WoW and TESO). You can solo basically any FP for story and you don't need to form a group willing to sit thru cutscenes. Account-wide unlocks for certain things. Community is generaly freindly, even if small. You can play at least two stories without ever spending a dime on this game. Admitedly as F2P player you are signing up for a lot of time simply walking from place A to place B. But you absolutely CAN do that. Just to put some of your most absurd points into perspective. Until at least 2021 (i wasn't playing since) not only you couldn't change your class on the fly. But every chracter was locked into its subclass since lvl.10. So as Jedi Knight you could be either dual wielding DPS (sentinel) or single handled DPS/Tank (guardian) and that was it. Subscribed or not. If you couldn't zoom out your camera there are only 2 possible reasons. Your controls got mixed up somehow, or your mouse wheel is broken. I am sorry, i could not bring myself to sit thru the rest of the review.
Its not that i couldn't zoom out, it was that the maximum length that i could zoom back was still too close and things being worse before is not a good excuse for things being bad now.
@@CinderSnake My point is that today you actually have a choice. Just because FF XIV has all classes in one toon doesn't mean that every MMORPG has to have that too. Of course monetisation is a bit of the issue, but unsubscribed SWTOR is still WAY less of a chore than unsubscribed ESO or basic F2P GW2.
@@cwaldacwaldovic4572 I'm currently playing GW2 and yeah playing it without the mount the game gives you a ten hour trial for would definitely be a slog, but if you buy any expansion you unlock that mount permanently and I much prefer paying once for stuff rather than monthly, its cheaper in the long term, so IMO GW2 has the more attractive asking price, if SWTOR had that one time purhcase to switch classes forever, I would gladly pay it.
@@CinderSnake If you subscribe for 1 month, you get unlocked every bit of the content ever released since launch. It all stays unlocked untill your account is deleted. When your subscription ends, some of the chores of F2P will return, but not all of them. IMO we are looking at a lot of stuff for one time payment of 15$ or whatever it costs today. Look i also think that this could be told bit better by the game but it is not hidden information in any way. It just seems to me that you didn't actually try to find out what you can get for your money. There is a lot of horrendous crap that will try to crush your soul when you try to play as F2P. But SWTOR doesn't belong among that any more than GW2 does.
I disagree. Its probably of of the best MMORPGs in existence. Name a better MMORPG with 8 OG stories, all fully voice acted by unique cast of male and female, for a total of 16 player voice actors per Language
This would be a great point if you were making an argument that SWTOR is a great story game and hey its a pretty good story game but as an MMO, its not particularly massive multiplayer.
Honestly, I think you are too harsh on the story. I've found nearly all of them entertaining and definitely more engaging to follow than any other MMO I've played. Some MMO don't have a story really at all and I can't stand that. Lazy world building in my opinion. I think you may be too haste in many of your judgments. I found many companions quite meaningful and had a very deep relationship with the player character, especially some of the romances like Kira. Albeit other classes were not as fortunate in good companions. And it was upsetting that you lost your favorite companions in the expansions and had to hope they would do a cameo in them in the future. The ones they did bring back had a good backstory during your absence in my opinion but I think they should integrate ways in the story to have all class companions come back in one way or another. I felt a huge empty hole next to me when they took away Kira after the class story and I went into the expansions. That made playing my Jedi knight more difficult. Fortunately, she has a cameo and comes back in the expansions with an awesome back story but that can't be said for every companion. They should at least allow romanceable characters the decency to come back as they will be the companions most people will want to see again. Solo combat is meant to be easy and I don't think you played enough of the game to discover the more difficult group challenges and combat if you are saying pvp is the only place where class roles matter. Critiquing how lightsabers feel like flashlights is just nitpicking, it's an MMO. The developers need to balance out things so that one class weapon isn't stronger than another. Although it would be nice if you could end combat after defeating an opponent with a cool animation of cutting off a limb or head now and again. But I do agree with the general spirit of this video at least. The game does feel like it has seen its best days and unless the new developers drastically change things for the better, I can see the game dying after everyone has had their fill with maxing each class story. The newer stories are slow in release and short at that. The story is the reason most of us play this game I think which is why they probably made solo gameplay easier. It is not worth keeping the game installed for months at a time waiting for two hours of gameplay and then repeating over and over again. My hope is the new developers build upon the story and have bigger stories like the Eternal Emporer storyline. That was peak storytelling and is what we all want from our stwor. In the meantime, it would be good for them to fix minor issues that you brought up such as graphics, and queue times, and make solo combat more engaging and challenging for those of us who like a bit of challenge. I haven't played the game in a while because of these issues and I'm waiting for news of a big story update to bring me back into play. Thank you for making this video, I found it very entertaining and informative on the current state of the game.
It is so hard to watch you play the sorcerer that bad xD I thnik you guess pvp is unbalanced cause u are not really good at ur class. Also how can u grade a game when u haven't played the more difficult encounters. Leveling is just for the story. It used to be way more diffcult
Endless waves of boring enemies just didn’t interest me by the end, which is a shame because the story beyond the class stories would have been cool. Would love this game with the Fallen order/Jedi survivor combat. Would be amazing then.
I think swtor is bad mmo because its current state, if they still received fund and manpower like in their first year, i think the game will be in better place right now It become bad because, honestly its EA fault as usual, the point of swtor is individuality, each class has their own story, voiced with different VA, different companion, etc. The downfall of the game cause byEA made them to make everything linear, no more different story for each class, no more main cast voice etc Its bad but considering their situation, its amazing feat they pull off to still manage the game to this day Also some of your critique doesnt make any sense, comparing the game with kotor is just..... Weird, you are comparing mmorpg with SINGLE player offline game Also force power and lightsaber feel weak, off course, again its MMORPG not singleplayer game, if force push flung everyone and object meters away, it will break the game, lightsaber feels like toy sword? Again, if things get cut to pieces like mgs rising, it will put massive burden in the game Your point of ability being look weak is pretty much every mmorpg out there, FF14 literally have spell dropping a massive meteor to enemy and all it does is stagger the enemy, thats it. Wow is super massive mmorpg and none of their sword attack and ability cut or split their opponent, it never and will never do becauze thats how mmorpg work, they cant put too much stress on the server Iam sorry but many of your point about the game feel off, game literally have better quest progression and guide player far better than wow, this feel like you are purposely downplaying the game just because you are "not into it"
Ehhh, you didnt touch master content and then complained about the game being easy. You will probably never be able to touch MM raids because the guilds that run them wont recruit someone who hasnt done them all on HM and has the gear necessary and can provide parsing data; because a single low parser can fuck 12 hours of raiding into the ground. I get why you compare the game to single player titles because swtor has more single player than 90% of rpgs available but the game also has huge swaths of group content. Its also obvious you havnt interacted with the community much at all and never bothered to touch the massive amount of role playing content available. If you are going to review a game, you should touch on every aspect of the game or admit that you are only talking about part of the game. You say Swtor is "the worst mmo" despite it being one of the longest running and most popular mmos ever and having a massive player base. Most of your criticism is hollow because of how obvious it is that you barely scratched the surface of the game.
What is this massive amount of role playing content and why didnt the game present it, why didnt the game present master mode, or what should be done at end game. What I present in the video is the experience you get if you just play the game and don't google everything you should do.
@CinderSnake You don't need to Google anything, Master mode is presented on the group finder right next to Story mode and veteran mode. It's defaulted off so new player don't q into it and get put into content they are not equipped to handle. The game doesn't hold your hand because it won't be necessary by the time you are ready for master mode, which you clearly arnt. And the role playing content is all easily available. Guilds readily advertise themselves, whole sections of maps are set aside for role playing and entire parts of the game like strongholds are dedicated for role playing. There are also the dozen or so rotating events that happen across the fleet and various planets you can freely involve yourself in and that are advertised constantly at the fleet hub. It sounds more like you expect the game to hold your hand through every section of content and guide to and from various activities. Hundreds of thousands of people have picked up the game and figured out how to q for master mode content just fine, you can do it to. It's not the games fault you didn't look at the group finder where "Master mode flash points" and "Master mode uprisings" are front and center.
swtor is not an mmo no player city's no player economy barely any player made crafting it's a joke to call this an mmo. most modern mmos fall in the same boat this gane is not an evolving world it's a fucking themepark
@hillbilly999100 Players city? You mean the fleet hub? There is literally an economy called the GTN. Player crafting is necessary to compete in end content. I don't think you played the game.
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I think it's important to point out: I don't hate the game or want it to fail, I want it to be better, I want it to succeed.
I'm seeing Master mode flashpoints being brought up a lot and I think it really highlights a big issue with this game, 1 is that this game is bad at introducing you to content and 2 more specifically regarding master mode is that I think its a mistake that class roles only matter in this end game activity, Ideally while levelling you would have activities where roles matter and get situations that facilitate you interacting with other players, getting to know them and that way you would know some people organically when you get to end game and you used to have these things, there were heroic missions while levelling during the class stories and you needed to group up with people for that and class roles used to matter in all flashpoints, so you got used to and more familiar with your class and what it should do, as it stands when you hit level 80 you kinda have to start from scratch, both for getting yourself into a group and learning how to properly heal, tank or dps.
As it stands for me the gameplay was so mindless and boring that I didn't think operations and master mode would be much of an improvement but I did say in the video that it was likely you would have to think more in operations but even with that, then 90% of the game is mindless and boring and then we have 10% that would be actually engaging and thats not good enough for me, to me the community that has stuck with this game for all these years deserve better than that.
"I think it's important to point out: I don't hate the game or want it to fail, I want it to be better, I want it to succeed." I call bs on that insulting the game and claim it bad isnt love or want ot see it better it a opinion by the older player who outlived the game.
@@anteprs7908 I talked about the things I disliked, the things that made me wanna stop playing the game, I want those things to be changed or get better, so that I will enjoy the game.
@@CinderSnake saying 40% of the story is good is proof you dont know anything about swtor also swtor is marketed as the best casual and solo freindly mmorpg out there you want more mmo stuff but most mmorpg players play more for the rpg part of the game
Also leveling is not 90% of the game. And ur opinion about pvp makes no sense since u clearly have no clue how to play ur class and playing like completly zoomed it
@@CinderSnake
8:20 Newsflash: you can zoom out as far as you want, until your character is a small dot on the screen if the space you are in allows it. if you are in a small tunnel or something, you can't zoom out far. go into "Preference" --> Controls and under General at the top you find "Camera" and find "Camera Max distance" and set that to 100%, then hit apply, then you can zoom out VERY far.
As someone that has played and enjoyed this game on and off since launch in 2011, I can tell you that both PvP and PvE in this game is really fun. The operations, at least the first ones (Eternity Vault, Karagga's Palace, Scum & Villany, Terror from beyond and Explosive conflict were very fun to play.
15:45 Example one: Baras screaming at his prisoner, PC Sith Warrior: "Nice lunges you got there" Baras: "Mind your tounge or I will cut it out!". Example 2: Master Kellian Jarro: waving his hand attempting a mind trick "you will drop your weapon and surrender to me" PC Bounty Hunter waving his hand "you will realize what a complete idiot you are"
those 2 are 2 of the very memorable moments from 2 class stories.
Clearly my favorite MMO. The devs continue to update it to deliver an incredible universe. For me, the top MMO right now is clearly swtor. To each his own, but to make a whole video just to say that seems to me largely unjustified.
SWTOR has probably changed the most since it's launch among the top level MMO. Being developed with the intent of filling the role of KOTOR 3 the devs mostly followed the FF14 structure for an MMO. A core story for the player to experience solo with raids/dungeons for multiplayer. For a few years they tried to expand the multiplayer but in the end they gave up and went all in on the solo story.
Fans have been asking for a new game, either a true KOTOR 3 or a new MMO similar to what Galaxies was but we'll probably never get them. At least not until Disney and Lucasfilms get their acts together. You might want to check out Star Trek Online as well. Like SWTOR some aspects havn't aged well but more entertaining since the story is divided into chapters that work like seasons of a tv show and a mission is an episode.
Adding Star Trek Online to the list!
Is the story more in the spirit of the old shows? I was never much of a Star Trek fan but I loved The Orville which I'm assured is very similar to old Star Trek.
@@CinderSnake STO is set in the era after the TNG movies. They reference a lot of content from the shows and even clean up some story lines that were never followed up on. You don't need to know the shows to enjoy it but it adds to the experience.
@@CinderSnake And to answer your Orville question. Orville season 3 is what Star Trek is meant to be and Seth wanted to show that it still worked. The JJ Abrams movies and all the new shows are just terrible. STO is more like the classic Trek and you'll see some Orville season 3 in it.
@@DamienDrake2940 You're selling the game well, I will definitely check it out.
7:15 SM & VM flashpoints you can play without class roles but not Master Mode.
8:06 Em seriously? You can play the game for free to the completion of all your class story and you're complaining you need to be a subscriber for the endgame stuff such as having a dual class?
8:30 WTF?? You CAN zoom out a LOT. Preferences -> Key Bindings -> Camera and bind keys to zoom in and out, preferably the mouse wheel so you can do it easily back and forth depending on where you are and what you're doing.
9:15 Yeah they're mindless because you're doing SM & VM. Try master mode and it's less mindless.
23:50 Idk if you missed it but they're slowly retconning the Alliance Commander stuff by bringing your faction back into the Republic / Sith Empire
26:01 PVP is not dead but it will be more active at prime hours on each server and during PVP seasons. Given a new season just started I think your game footage come from a period of pause in PVP.
26:45 WRONG again. You clearly have not played MM flashpoints or operations. The content is there but you're not being force fed it.
So in conclusion you played the story and some flashpoints, not even the hard ones, didn't do operations, crafting, not interested in strongholds, probably don't even know there are periodic events or daily mission areas (or what their rewards are). You didn't talk about the outfitter, the game economy, achievements, the cartel market. Basically, you played the intro to the game in which the combat is very easy (so that you can learn what the abilities do and how/where to use them), complained you weren't handheld MORE towards the endgame content and then rated this game as bad because it's not KOTOR 3, also because it's an old game.
You review is wildly incomplete, unprofessional and utterly pointless. Dislike from me.
how much of a jump in difficulty is it from VM to Master mode?
Yeah as I said, they need to make money somehow but it still sucks even if I get it and as for all that story being available for "free", I bought the game and subscribed when it released and have since subscribed a few times and if this was a single player game like kotor, me paying once would be enough to let me play the game forever, changing classes is a good feature that makes the game less dull and it sucks that its behind a paywall.
Yes I know how to zoom in and out, is there a setting to let me zoom out more than the default?
Played all the class stories years ago and a little now to remind myself and I played KOTFE/T, onslaught and legacy of the sith and currently it feels more like an alliance between 2 groups, rather than my faction joining the other.
From what I read about pvp and the seasons it seems pvp "dies" once people have grinded the season.
@@CinderSnake There's a BIG jump in difficulty from VM to MM, just like there is in operations between SM, VM, MM.
Like I said, you CANNOT play MM without a healer and a tank and you have to do the mechanics, you can't just ignore them and pew pew till the boss dies.
You keep comparing this MMO to single player games. It's not a single player game, the comparison is pointless.
As far as the story goes after KOTFE and KOTET the Republic and Empire separate again and you can either have your faction join them or basically work for 1 faction as an independent contractor with your own team of mercenaries.
This is why, for instance, you fight Malgus in the Republic version of the FP Objective Meridian whereas in the imperial version you fight Tau Idair. Or in Secrets of the Enclave the republic character fights Colonel Barden Golah whereas the imp character fights Leeha Narezz.
@@fyngolnoldor4891 I keep comparing it to a single player game because it desperately wants to be one, its more accurate to call this a single player game with a multiplayer mode, Most of the time you spend in the game you are alone, just playing the open world I probably saw other players under 10 times and most of it on voss, the only place i reliable saw players was in the fleet, I always felt like I had to go out of my way for group content. A good MMO facilitates and encourages player interaction, SWTOR does not do that.
and when it comes to pricing, you can compare literally any 2 games to see how much value you would get out of each choice.
Now lets adress your edit.
"So in conclusion you played the story and some flashpoints, not even the hard ones, didn't do operations, crafting, not interested in strongholds, probably don't even know there are periodic events or daily mission areas (or what their rewards are). You didn't talk about the outfitter, the game economy, achievements, the cartel market. Basically, you played the intro to the game in which the combat is very easy (so that you can learn what the abilities do and how/where to use them), complained you weren't handheld MORE towards the endgame content and then rated this game as bad because it's not KOTOR 3, also because it's an old game.
You review is wildly incomplete, unprofessional and utterly pointless. Dislike from me."
Strongholds, achievements, cartel market and outfitter are incredibly minor things that don't really matter, they are this little extra thing, what really matters to me is the actual gameplay, which is why I spent my time talking about that. The only real use of the cartel market is to buy a lightsaber color crystal, or armor for the outfitter, which again is a side thing, I was focused on the main thing, the combat and story.
You strawman what I said into handheld when I said "the game did nothing to guide me towards them" if it was an intro that i played then it was a very poor one because it didnt even show me what it was introducing me to. I should not have to use google to see what content this game has.
"also because it's an old game." Not at all what I said, I said it's aged poorly and its weird that you twist my words into just "hates old games" given that i praise kotor in the video and kotor is older than swtor.
"You review is wildly incomplete, unprofessional and utterly pointless." Disagree, I played the game like someone that is casually going to try the game and because of that I missed out on some elements because the game did a terrible job of introducing them. I've sunk hundreds of hours into this game, that is enough to review the game on but in the spirit of twisting words, you are saying "no its incomplete because you didnt play thousands of hours", cry all you like but what this review presents is what new players are most likely to experience and it is pointless to talk about these extra things like transmogs if the main gameplay loop doesn't hook you and unfortunately that gameplay loop is pretty boring and the only reason I kept going is the story and that too is sometimes boring.
@@CinderSnake I stand by what I said. You make several erroneous statements about the difficulty because you didn't bother trying the difficult content, which is why you keep repeating in the video that there is no point for class roles (dps/heal/tank).
You say you like most of the story but then complain it's not as good as KOTOR which is true but again you're comparing a single player game whose only focus is the story from 1 perspective vs an mmo with multiple classes and storylines.
"Most of the time you spend in the game you are alone" - Only because you choose to. You can go on fleet and group up with people, you can constantly queue n the group finder for PVE and/or PVP activities.
If you go on random levelling planets NOW then yeah, the game probably feels empty because the playerbase has diminished a lot over time. It used to be standard that you grouped up with people for questing and heroics quite spontaneously on planets.
The game doesn't want to be a solo experience, YOU want it to be like that.
I also like how you nitpicked from the long list of stuff you didn't engage with to say outfitter and cartel market are just aesthetic. Ok, how about events? Did you participate in those? Don't tell me those places were empty because that's a lie, or that people don't group up in event areas for stuff.
What about crafting? Did you engage in that? Did you join a guild, did you do conquest together or other guild activities? There are people advertising for guilds all over the place, ESPECIALLY on starter planets and from there you have guild chat where you can group up with people for stuff.
Heck, the game even pushes you to do flashpoints after chunks of story. How much more do you expect to be pushed into multiplayer content?
For PvP and really most content you should be using key binds rather than point-and-click. It helps you moves flow better and you develop combos and rotations from them. To make a point, 29:27 is a good example of how you are NOT supposed to play the game (hotkeys with bindings > shuffling around my own abilities).
All your abilities are useful, but you have to know what they do, when to use them, and how to chain them. If you don't have that going for you, then I think it is unfair to call the combat "boring" when you haven't played it as it was meant to be played.
PvP in SWTOR is a lot of fun but it has one of the largest learning cures IMO.
You mentioned the sorc not dying but note that you were playing Jugg which is a bad matchup (think Pokemon or RPS). To beat a sorc you want mobility and burst so the sith assassin/ Jedi shadow or operative/ scoundrel. They are a bad matchup because your class lacks the tools to deal with their bag of tricks. This means you should be playing around their cooldowns, and change target priorities as needed. Even then, the sorc should NOT be able to 1v1 a Jugg. If they fight you fairly they will die, but if the warp out they can take you on.
Part of the fun is learning what your class is good at and what it should avoid doing and then playing around with that.
Instead of understanding that he is a bad player, he rather says the combat is boring while playing completely zoomed in.
@1Medivh9DSparil9JagarTharn4 lol no. Your mouse should be used for objectives (hut ball, grapple, etc), targeting, and camera angles. Not clicking. All the best players key bind, and unless you have a disability your hand can press a key much faster than it takes to move your mouse.
Also you should memorise your rotation lol
Ok. SWTOR has been doing couple of things very bad basically since launch. For example its absolute refusal of explaining its own systems by gameplay is second to none. Although Warframe is VERY close here. When new players arrive to their fleet, they are confused by the sheer number of quest signs. Every single one of that quest will stray them away from their class story and will throw them is one of the many content islands in the game. The basic planets untill correlia/ilum are still suffering from bugs more than a decade old.
But seriously KOTOR is doing a lot of things right too. The class stories are subjective, but the execution is IMO the best there is in any MMORPG i had ever played (including GW2, TSW, FF XIV, WoW and TESO). You can solo basically any FP for story and you don't need to form a group willing to sit thru cutscenes. Account-wide unlocks for certain things. Community is generaly freindly, even if small. You can play at least two stories without ever spending a dime on this game. Admitedly as F2P player you are signing up for a lot of time simply walking from place A to place B. But you absolutely CAN do that.
Just to put some of your most absurd points into perspective. Until at least 2021 (i wasn't playing since) not only you couldn't change your class on the fly. But every chracter was locked into its subclass since lvl.10. So as Jedi Knight you could be either dual wielding DPS (sentinel) or single handled DPS/Tank (guardian) and that was it. Subscribed or not.
If you couldn't zoom out your camera there are only 2 possible reasons. Your controls got mixed up somehow, or your mouse wheel is broken.
I am sorry, i could not bring myself to sit thru the rest of the review.
Its not that i couldn't zoom out, it was that the maximum length that i could zoom back was still too close and things being worse before is not a good excuse for things being bad now.
@@CinderSnake My point is that today you actually have a choice. Just because FF XIV has all classes in one toon doesn't mean that every MMORPG has to have that too. Of course monetisation is a bit of the issue, but unsubscribed SWTOR is still WAY less of a chore than unsubscribed ESO or basic F2P GW2.
@@cwaldacwaldovic4572 I'm currently playing GW2 and yeah playing it without the mount the game gives you a ten hour trial for would definitely be a slog, but if you buy any expansion you unlock that mount permanently and I much prefer paying once for stuff rather than monthly, its cheaper in the long term, so IMO GW2 has the more attractive asking price, if SWTOR had that one time purhcase to switch classes forever, I would gladly pay it.
@@CinderSnake If you subscribe for 1 month, you get unlocked every bit of the content ever released since launch. It all stays unlocked untill your account is deleted. When your subscription ends, some of the chores of F2P will return, but not all of them. IMO we are looking at a lot of stuff for one time payment of 15$ or whatever it costs today. Look i also think that this could be told bit better by the game but it is not hidden information in any way. It just seems to me that you didn't actually try to find out what you can get for your money. There is a lot of horrendous crap that will try to crush your soul when you try to play as F2P. But SWTOR doesn't belong among that any more than GW2 does.
I disagree. Its probably of of the best MMORPGs in existence. Name a better MMORPG with 8 OG stories, all fully voice acted by unique cast of male and female, for a total of 16 player voice actors per Language
This would be a great point if you were making an argument that SWTOR is a great story game and hey its a pretty good story game but as an MMO, its not particularly massive multiplayer.
U didn't even try to participate in group contet. Ur arguments make no sense@@CinderSnake
it's a single player game bro
Honestly, I think you are too harsh on the story. I've found nearly all of them entertaining and definitely more engaging to follow than any other MMO I've played. Some MMO don't have a story really at all and I can't stand that. Lazy world building in my opinion. I think you may be too haste in many of your judgments. I found many companions quite meaningful and had a very deep relationship with the player character, especially some of the romances like Kira. Albeit other classes were not as fortunate in good companions. And it was upsetting that you lost your favorite companions in the expansions and had to hope they would do a cameo in them in the future. The ones they did bring back had a good backstory during your absence in my opinion but I think they should integrate ways in the story to have all class companions come back in one way or another. I felt a huge empty hole next to me when they took away Kira after the class story and I went into the expansions. That made playing my Jedi knight more difficult. Fortunately, she has a cameo and comes back in the expansions with an awesome back story but that can't be said for every companion. They should at least allow romanceable characters the decency to come back as they will be the companions most people will want to see again. Solo combat is meant to be easy and I don't think you played enough of the game to discover the more difficult group challenges and combat if you are saying pvp is the only place where class roles matter. Critiquing how lightsabers feel like flashlights is just nitpicking, it's an MMO. The developers need to balance out things so that one class weapon isn't stronger than another. Although it would be nice if you could end combat after defeating an opponent with a cool animation of cutting off a limb or head now and again. But I do agree with the general spirit of this video at least. The game does feel like it has seen its best days and unless the new developers drastically change things for the better, I can see the game dying after everyone has had their fill with maxing each class story. The newer stories are slow in release and short at that. The story is the reason most of us play this game I think which is why they probably made solo gameplay easier. It is not worth keeping the game installed for months at a time waiting for two hours of gameplay and then repeating over and over again. My hope is the new developers build upon the story and have bigger stories like the Eternal Emporer storyline. That was peak storytelling and is what we all want from our stwor. In the meantime, it would be good for them to fix minor issues that you brought up such as graphics, and queue times, and make solo combat more engaging and challenging for those of us who like a bit of challenge. I haven't played the game in a while because of these issues and I'm waiting for news of a big story update to bring me back into play. Thank you for making this video, I found it very entertaining and informative on the current state of the game.
It is so hard to watch you play the sorcerer that bad xD I thnik you guess pvp is unbalanced cause u are not really good at ur class. Also how can u grade a game when u haven't played the more difficult encounters. Leveling is just for the story. It used to be way more diffcult
I love videos like this, I hope the Devs see this and make the game an actual Star Wars MMO 🙏
Not likely. Negative titles will almost always add to the destruction of the game and not help it out.
How, exactly, is it _not_ a Star Wars Massive Multiplayer Online game?
The game was much better in the old day's it has definitely fallen of. But i still comeback to the game. But mostly fir the story.
The grind killed me. Just can’t find it enjoyable anymore.
@@Chaialenor the lvling is to easy so don't mind.. they should do a register pf the game and make it much harder
Endless waves of boring enemies just didn’t interest me by the end, which is a shame because the story beyond the class stories would have been cool.
Would love this game with the Fallen order/Jedi survivor combat. Would be amazing then.
@@Chaialenor that could be crazy actually. That would make the game so so much better
Yep… epic story, epic combat, wouldn’t get boring!
I think swtor is bad mmo because its current state, if they still received fund and manpower like in their first year, i think the game will be in better place right now
It become bad because, honestly its EA fault as usual, the point of swtor is individuality, each class has their own story, voiced with different VA, different companion, etc. The downfall of the game cause byEA made them to make everything linear, no more different story for each class, no more main cast voice etc
Its bad but considering their situation, its amazing feat they pull off to still manage the game to this day
Also some of your critique doesnt make any sense, comparing the game with kotor is just..... Weird, you are comparing mmorpg with SINGLE player offline game
Also force power and lightsaber feel weak, off course, again its MMORPG not singleplayer game, if force push flung everyone and object meters away, it will break the game, lightsaber feels like toy sword? Again, if things get cut to pieces like mgs rising, it will put massive burden in the game
Your point of ability being look weak is pretty much every mmorpg out there, FF14 literally have spell dropping a massive meteor to enemy and all it does is stagger the enemy, thats it. Wow is super massive mmorpg and none of their sword attack and ability cut or split their opponent, it never and will never do becauze thats how mmorpg work, they cant put too much stress on the server
Iam sorry but many of your point about the game feel off, game literally have better quest progression and guide player far better than wow, this feel like you are purposely downplaying the game just because you are "not into it"
Agree that the knights of the old is one best I got me interested again great vid🎉
Swtor fanboys are nothing short of hilarious.
Ehhh, you didnt touch master content and then complained about the game being easy.
You will probably never be able to touch MM raids because the guilds that run them wont recruit someone who hasnt done them all on HM and has the gear necessary and can provide parsing data; because a single low parser can fuck 12 hours of raiding into the ground.
I get why you compare the game to single player titles because swtor has more single player than 90% of rpgs available but the game also has huge swaths of group content.
Its also obvious you havnt interacted with the community much at all and never bothered to touch the massive amount of role playing content available.
If you are going to review a game, you should touch on every aspect of the game or admit that you are only talking about part of the game. You say Swtor is "the worst mmo" despite it being one of the longest running and most popular mmos ever and having a massive player base. Most of your criticism is hollow because of how obvious it is that you barely scratched the surface of the game.
What is this massive amount of role playing content and why didnt the game present it, why didnt the game present master mode, or what should be done at end game. What I present in the video is the experience you get if you just play the game and don't google everything you should do.
@CinderSnake You don't need to Google anything, Master mode is presented on the group finder right next to Story mode and veteran mode.
It's defaulted off so new player don't q into it and get put into content they are not equipped to handle. The game doesn't hold your hand because it won't be necessary by the time you are ready for master mode, which you clearly arnt.
And the role playing content is all easily available. Guilds readily advertise themselves, whole sections of maps are set aside for role playing and entire parts of the game like strongholds are dedicated for role playing. There are also the dozen or so rotating events that happen across the fleet and various planets you can freely involve yourself in and that are advertised constantly at the fleet hub.
It sounds more like you expect the game to hold your hand through every section of content and guide to and from various activities. Hundreds of thousands of people have picked up the game and figured out how to q for master mode content just fine, you can do it to. It's not the games fault you didn't look at the group finder where "Master mode flash points" and "Master mode uprisings" are front and center.
swtor is not an mmo
no player city's
no player economy
barely any player made crafting
it's a joke to call this an mmo.
most modern mmos fall in the same boat
this gane is not an evolving world it's a fucking themepark
@hillbilly999100 Players city? You mean the fleet hub?
There is literally an economy called the GTN.
Player crafting is necessary to compete in end content.
I don't think you played the game.