Here's my FULL Lord of the Rings: Rings of Power Season 2 Episode 4 video and easter eggs. Post all your reactions in the comments! Here's my House Of The Dragon Season 3 video too! ua-cam.com/video/OAs_jMVDNYM/v-deo.html
He is Tolkien himself. Goldenberry his wife. The Hobbits his children who he gives some aid and guidance for their lives. This is why I think that Tom Bombadil should not be met in new stories. He should be wandering somewhere, only remembered by those who encountered him. Fictional and otherwise.
😂ok maybe you talked about this 😅however, Why NOT make just one ring to rule them ALL! WHY give everyone else rings 💍 of power?!! Just seems crazy to give rings 💍 😳 out and then have the same people turn on you. Keep your power and keep your rings!!
I took a LOTR course at Marquette University (where the original transcripts reside) and my professor’s read on Tom Bombadill is that he is just Tolkien
Heard that for many decades but it's laziness posing as cleverness. Bombadil is obviously Tolkien's ideal of living harmoniously with nature and not beguiled by technology (magic). A more British version of the noble savage.
My favorite theory of who Tom is (and my headcanon) is that Tom is the physical embodiment of the music of the Ainur. Which explains how he was here before everything else and is always singing.
I love to think of Tom as the good embodiment of the music and Ungolianth with the nameless thing like The watcher in the water as the embodiment of evil and chaos in Melkors part of the music.
Yeah he really knows nothing other than what he has read about the episode. He also has zero idea what a joke is. He uses it to describe so many things that were meant as head nods or foreshadowing so I assume he failed English as well
@@Mike-nr9po who's more naive? A 12 year old or a grown man watching a show he clearly despises, spending his free time crying about it in youtube's comment section
Tom Bombadil is my favorite thing about Rings of power so far. Rory Kinnear really brought some Tolkien/Peter jackson vibe to the character. Its a shame we may not see much more over the coming seasons. But he could have his own movie.
The most logical identity of Tom Bombadil at least in my opinion is he is the avatar Ilúvatar. Even if the books never said Ilúvatar took on a physical form. I think Tom is Ilúvatar way of influencing the world in a low level way. Without being really heavy handed about it. He is the oldest being on Middle Earth, the ring has no power over him, and he seems to be more powerful than Sauron. But, has never once interfered directly in the events of Middle Earth. Sounds a lot like a capital "G" God to me. To quote Futurama. "When you do things right. People won't be sure you've done anything at all."
TOm definitely isn't Eru/Illuvatar, who is Tolkien's representation of God in the legendarium. Eru would have been able to shatter the Ring itself with a single statement. Tom could not do so. That was beyond his power, just as influencing Tom was beyond the Ring's power. Tom Bombadil is necessarily one of the Ainur of the Maiar class. Were he a Valar, his realm would not have diminished as Sauron's influence grew. As Gandalf says of Tom "and now, he has withdrawn into a little land, within boundaries that he himself has set, and he will not step beyond them, waiting perhaps for a change of days." Tom was not omnipotent by any means. As Gandalf also says to one of the Elves who suggested that Tom had power over the one Ring: "Say rather that the ring has no power over him. He is his own master. But he cannot alter the ring itself, nor effect its power over others." Tom was less in power and magnitude than the Valar, HOWEVER, he entered the world before they did ( he didn't exist before they did, but he came to Arda/earth first ). Because he was a being of the same order as Sauron who, UNLIKE the Istari/Wizards was not temporarily confined to a limited form that limited his power, and whose very nature was antithetical to the type of domination of others that the Ring was made to play to.
I like the rings of power as well, I'm just getting around to watching this season. I think there are 3 reasons for the hate of the show. 1. People want it to stay as close as it can to what the characters should be., 2. In social media people love to hate on things and 3 is part of #2. The loudest voices on social media are those with the strongest feelings about things. But like in most cases it doesn't represent the group as a whole.
It's the lesser of two evils. If they are the blue wizards, well then it's super lame. Since then they would've given us Gandalf and Saruman in a blue suite... Also the blue wizards were sent together. They arrived by boat... So then they gave us 2 seasons of "subverting expectations" and all we got is a light copy of Gandalf and Saruman with a cop out at the end... Why?! Why did they have to do this? The wizards and the entire hobbit plotlines is nothing but lame member berries. If they are the blue wizards and the reveal is at the end of season 2. Then that are 2 seasons of actual content we didn't get about the blue wizards... If it's not the blue wizards. It has to be Radagast, Gandalf or Saruman. Which would be very very lorebreaking. If it's not any of them, it would be very very lore breaking. Now one has fallen from the sky like a meteor and I guess his counterpart is evil now? So much potential, so much wasted.
@@FragLord All the movies and all film adaptions of the Tolkien universe is "lore breaking." If you dont want lore breaking, stick to the books and dont watch anything on film. No Tolkien content on film is even meant to be faithful to the lore exactly so. It is meant for the context to be enjoyed by many, not just the fans. If there were films that were perfectly fitted to the books, you would have a 3 hour movie for a single side quest, as Tolkien was known to ramble and insert many side quests, and explain journeys outside of chronological order. So I would realize that before starting to criticize anything in the show. If it even influences any to read the books, then its a job well done!
@@GalacticLibertyGuardian There is a difference between adapting an existing story and inventing side stories around an existing red line. Lore breaking, like crime, comes in degrees. Applying your logic to crime there is no difference between unintentional manslaughter and wholescale genocide. The world isn't binary, maybe you are. But that's not how it's work buddy... There is a clear difference and therefore we give a clear and different ruling on the subject matter... Is the Peter Jackson trilogy lore breaking, yes. Alot, no. Was it good, yes. The PJ trilogy is 90% and more faithful to a source material of 3 volumes. Is rings of power lore breaking. Yes. Alot, yes. Is it good, no... Rings of power is 10% faitful to a source material of an appendix... Spot the difference. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul. This series is exactly the 3 hours of boring rambling we don't need... I'll prefer to listen to Tolkien talk for 3 hours over this utter member berry sprinkled drivle
@@olivergarrick1175 They kind of overdid it imo. The ents are shepherds. They are 100% aware that other beings need wood to basically live... Imagine a medieval society without wood... Ain't happening bruh. The Ents are there to protect from exploitation and to keep the balance. The female ent being so angry over such a little question makes no sense at all. It's like she's on coke or has ptsd. The Ents in LOTR aren't angry at Saruman for cutting trees. They are angry because they cut for more than they would reasonably need... That and a wizard should know better...
My favorite theory of Tom is that he is Nature in flesh form, in the canon it is said he was their at the start of everything, he saw the song. Hence also why he is married to the river's daughter, and in turn it also explains why the rings has no influence on him. Nature does not care for the power man craves, and why Tom would just lose interest in the ring if you gave it to him. I see him kind of like Ungoliant, a force Morgoth found that scared him.
@emergency awesome remember, in the books, Tom Bombadil tosses the ring in the air and makes it disappear and appear in his other hand, showing the ring has no power over him, it is just a trinket. Imo, Bombadil is from the void like Ungoliant, he just appears from space and just "IS"
I was about to comment that we are going to see a split in this episode: those who have read the LoTR books (at minimum) and those who have not. Those who have not, they'll enjoy the episode however there'll be a few things that'll go over their heads. Those like me who have, will truly appreciate this episode. I did a little happy cheer when Tom appeared as I do feel it is a hat tip to all of those (like me) who would've loved to have seen him in the movies. At the same time, I totally agree with Peter Jackson in not having his story line and the adjustments he made because he did need to make a movie and the books... I remember how Tolkien spent THREE PAGES describing those stairs that Frodo and Sam climb hahaha ... there were definatly aspects that didn't need to be included. (Oh, and I always have a soft spot for the Ents. I cried happy tears when I saw them in the movies as I had read about them in the book and even in the book I was cheering them on.)
I am enjoying where they are taking the series. I know they have made some major modifications. However, I think they have made the story easy for those who are not familiar with the books. While at the same time hitting some major notes for those of us who love the books.
The Dark Wizard saying that he will personally deal with the Stranger is sort of reminiscent of what the Witch King says about breaking Gandalf in Return of the King.
I am just blown away at how gorgeous the show is and though the pacing is inconsistent, when it's on, it's on. I think people who watch this show at ages 10-16, will grow up cherishing it. The Ents, Tom Bombadi, the Wights, it just looks stunning.
Tom Bombadil is necessarily one of the Ainur of the Maiar class. Were he a Valar, his realm would not have diminished as Sauron's influence grew. As Gandalf says of Tom "and now, he has withdrawn into a little land, within boundaries that he himself has set, and he will not step beyond them, waiting perhaps for a change of days." Tom was not omnipotent by any means. As Gandalf also says to one of the Elves who suggested that Tom had power over the one Ring: "Say rather that the ring has no power over him. He is his own master. But he cannot alter the ring itself, nor effect its power over others." Tom was less in power and magnitude than the Valar, HOWEVER, he entered the world before they did ( he didn't exist before they did, but he came to Arda/earth first ). Because he was a being of the same order as Sauron who, UNLIKE the Istari/Wizards was not temporarily confined to a limited form that limited his power, and whose very nature was antithetical to the type of domination of others that the Ring was made to play to.
@@JayGriffinblaze ugh, device glitched and ate my answer. TO your point, not necessarily. Remember, Curumo and Pallando ( even if Pallando was corrupted ) were both essentially trapped in limited incarnations, however temporary. While in their Istari forms, they were subject to most of the same temptations ad vulnerabilities as were the Elves, though they had greater powers. Another Ainu of Maiar class who was NOT bound by any of the restrictions and limitations of the Istari, akin to Sauron in powers but not greater than Sauron, would have been a different equation. Tom was also essentially differnt from Sauron. Saruman was very much like Sauron and Sauron understood him very well. Sauron understood Gadalf less, and had FAR less understanding of Radagast. Radagast, who mostly wandered from his mission, though not completely, was more like Tom than any of the other Istari, but even Radagast came with mission, and a will to direct and guide others, and, again, Radagast had taken on the limitations of incarnation in a form that hampered his innate powers and wisdom. Tom had no such limitations, and had no interest in the things the Ring was designed to do and to enhance. Shelob was less than any full on, undiminished, unbound Ainu, but she had no interst in Sauron's Ring because she had no interst in domination or conquest. Eru would have been able to destroy the Ring infinitely more quickly than Orodruin could. The Valar could have beaten Sauron's Ring into a coin. Tom could not harm the Ring, he could not remove it's influence from others, but he also could not be mastered by it. He was it's equal, as one would expect of a fellow Ainu of Maiar class who was not bound by outstanding limitaitions, and who was diametrically opposite to Sauron in his interests and way of thinking.
Tom Bombadil is like "Nature" (or earth if we want the relationship with Goldberry as water), a largely neutral force but most powerful. His opposition to Morgoth and Sauron would be in their need for dominion and absolute order, whereas nature is a mix of order and chaos. Also he is immune to magic which is something like a stand-in for technology to Tolkien. Gandalf does say that if Sauron went unopposed eventually even Bombadil would fall or have nothing left in the world for him, like utter pollution and nuclear contamination rendering a dead planet. And that's where _Rings of Power_ is different from LOTR: there is too much magic in ROP, which Tolkien wasn't a fan of. This whole battle for Middle Earth is a tech war between Sauron and and the pro-Free People Maia forces. The magic=technology factor is very clear; a little of it is very helpful and even necessary but reliance on it is perilous.
Thanks for this vid Charlie!👍 I am really enjoying this season. I feel so lucky we get more and more info for the LOTR. As for Tom Bombadil, I think he is their version of "Father Time". When the world was created he was. To put it simply he is the same age as the planet because it began and so did he. Goldeberry is therefore Mother Earth. Paired with Tom since her creation. They are as inseparable because they began together. But, Goldberry is probably in the one spot we see in the original books in the Second Age. Tom probably decided to wander a bit and then return. Since Tom can basically control anything of the planet if he wants, he knows that he isn't meant to interfere but to simple be. Tom is impossible to oppose but always with us and part of our choices, as is the way of time.
Whatever Tom Bombadil is he represents a being with no desire for domination, either being dominated or dominating others. Like the complete antithesis to the Dark Lords will to power philosophy. The Ring has no effect or influence on him for it offers nothing he could want. I know from his personal letters Tolkien held some anarchic beliefs and philosophy. I believe he may have poured some of that into the Tom Bombadil character, as well as representing untainted, untamed, mysterious primordial nature. 🧙🏻♂️🌿🌾☀️💛💙
I’ve always interpreted Tom Bombadil as Tolkiens nod to the Green Man . Also Goldberry gives Mother Nature so basically Earth mama and papa. I thinks that’s why we don’t know that much about them except that they were there long before anyone else. Also that would sorta give a reason to their powers and not being influenced by the Rings and corruptions.
In Season 1 Halbrand totally touched the Mithril ore piece, that was used to create the elven rings. Just as he did with the piece that was used for the dwarves rings. I remember thinking that Sauron influencing the elven rings was different from the books and wondered if such a huge change to the books was even allowed :)
The Old Man Ironwood is a reference to Old Man Willow in Fellowship of the Ring. The tree that swallowed Merry and Pippin like this one did the Stranger. The poem Tom Bombadil speaks to th Old Man Ironwood is also basically the same as he speaks to Old Man Willow in Lord of the Rings to make him release the hobbits.
Yeah indeed. Like 90% of this show are references to another adaptation and member berries. Except for the stuff that has been invented outside of the actual story, they didn't give us anything new. The only new cannon thing they gave us so far is Tom Bombadil. One of the few beings explicitly left to mystery by Tolkien...
Damn, this episode might be my favorite episode yet of season 2!! I enjoyed this one a lot! I have a cool idea/ theory about Tom Bombadil. From some of the marvel movies and other things I came across over the years, it’s been said the the Infinity Stones are remnants/ pieces of a past universe that existed prior to the MCU that we know. What if a past/ different universe existed before Middle Earth and Tom Bombadil came from that one? I think that’s a cool idea! I also had NO idea how powerful he is!! He really sounds like a omnipotent being. From other movies and Tv shows I’ve seen, there definitely are beings like that. If I remember correctly of what I’ve heard about the marvel comics, Galactus existed in a different form in a previous universe before he became the Galactus we know. I also had no idea Tom Bombadil was going to be in this episode!! When I sat down on Thursday night and started this episode, I talked with a friend of mine for a few minutes. I told him about how I’ve been a big fan of the Lord of the rings movies and hobbit movies. I even told him about my experience reading the books and mentioned Tom Bombadil! Was quiet a surprise and treat for me!! Even though I really liked the whole episode, seeing some Ents in the episode was a huge highlight for me!! I absolutely LOVED the Ents having a part/ role in the two towers!! From the first time I watched the Two Towers, I immediately became fascinated with the Ents!! They’re definitely my favourite parts from the Two Towers!! It was definitely very exciting and cool to see the Ent Wives for the first time! I also loved the teases and foreshadowing of the Hobbits and the Shire! I hope the episodes get even better from here! I’m really looking forward to the rest of season 2!! Another fantastic breakdown Charlie!
I think they nailed it with Tom. I think him just being a quintessential English farmer is perfect. Like he's only ever drunk cider in his life but isn't drunk as much as just merry
THANKS for this, @emergencyawesome Charlie!!!!! I remember #PeterJackson said he had to deeply narrow the books to create three movie scripts. Anything that didn't have to do with #Frodo throwing #theonering into #MountDoom had to go, I remember him saying. #LoTR #LotRROP #LordoftheRingsRingsofPower #RingsofPower #RingsofPowerSeason2 #RingsofPowerS2 #TomBombadil
I don't understand all the hate for this series. Episode 4 was fantastic in my opinion. It had right ammount of action, drama and mystery to be entertained whole time. Tom was great, Harfoot arc was wholesome and I liked especially Isildur story and his dynamic with the girl. Too bad it's probably over. The elves battle scene was pretty good too.
For book readers (like me) not hate, just disappointment with a total disregard for Tolkien's well established lore. Galadrial devoid of grace and wisdom, Celeborn nowhere to be seen, Sauron campaigning for Orc support, Elven rings made before those of Dwarves and men, unrecognizable Númenórë story line, Barrow Wights existing in the second age when it was clear that they were created by the Witch King of Angmar (which didn't exist until the third age) . Elrond somehow knowing how to defeat Barrow Wights when the lore that would tell him how did not yet exist, Stoors living in the desert when JRRT alwasy ever described them as river people and fishermen, Harfoots crying because they had no home when there entire culture was based upon wandering, Tom Bombadil depicted as a character who somehow now concerned himself with the survival of all middle earth and specifically to train wizards in magic, on and on and on. No hate, just a realization that the writers and show runners did not even make a half-hearted attempt to follow Tolkien's legandarium. At best it is fan fiction that uses names from Tolkien's works. If that makes you happy then that is great. For me, I am not giving it another viewing minute.
@@palmergary Same can be said about PJ LOTR Trilogy, yet people loved it. All of a sudden it had to be 100% accurate to the source material. And I assure you, PJ Trilogy had much worse changes like the ending of ROTK etc. Google what movie adaptation stands for if you are not familiar with the definition.
@@ant_989 no the same cannot be said about the PJ films. Although there were departures (Arwen/Glorfindel, no TB , no scourge of the Shire, and a few more, PJ and company took care to follow lore and to honor Tolkien's vision. IMO, better writing better acting and at a fraction of the cost. Just no comparison. But, again, if you are happy with the Amazon rendition who am I to tell anyone what to like. Heck, I would compare Amazon's work with Jorderoski's Dune. Taking liberties without consequences.
The Dwarves, who received seven rings from Sauron, were not turned into wraiths like the Men who became the Nazgûl. Instead, the rings amplified their natural lust for riches and treasures. This led to greater wealth and prosperity for some Dwarven kingdoms, but it also brought about internal strife and conflict, as well as making them more susceptible to Sauron’s influence and manipulation. Unlike Men, whose rings granted them unnaturally long life and eventually bound them to Sauron’s will as the Ringwraiths, the Dwarves’ inherent resilience and stubbornness prevented them from being fully dominated. In Tolkien’s world the same source of power can have vastly different impacts depending on the character and nature of those who wield it.
I've always like to think that Tom Bombadil was an idea taken shape. He came before The Lord of the rings books. So of course he's eldest. Nothing affects him because he's outside of the world.
he touched only dwarves and human mithrils rings, nah? atleast by series lotr story i just watch (sry for my englihs, im self thought) i dont understan ... he havent been touching the elfes mithril or rings at all, did he?
He touched the methyl while wondering but not knowing exactly what it was. He was in mind to pour his essence into it because a ring wasn’t even a spoken idea. Not even his. He observed it only, it would seem. Plus, according to the books he didn’t have any interference in the elven rings outside of ideation.
Sauron not only touched the Mithril, he touched and used Galadrial's dagger in season 1 which was melted down and went into making the three rings and I think he touched the gems in Celebrimbors lab.
Slight correction for the comment at 10:28... Sauron was unable to force the dwarf's to submit to his will while they wore the rings, nor did they turn invisible. It mostly just amplified their greed and lead to the dragons wreaking them.
Tom Bombadil IMO is the Avatar of middle earth, his wife may be the avatar of air and water or simply just Tom's companion that that was manifest upon his creation
Man I’d say if this season continues to only get better and season 3 better then season 2. Then I say let there be another collection of amazing stories done in a series. As well as a new 2 trilogy series covering the tales of Morgoth
I think tom is nature personified. He exists, thrives, and things grow all around him amidst the ever changing landscape. He just goes about his life and focuses on growing things, caring for things, existing. Same as all living things, they exist regardless of the whims and destruction of man and the effects they have on the ever changing environment, they don’t interfere. They just live amongst the changes, amid the wars etc., just like Tom. Before any living thing can emerge, the environment has to be suitable for it to survive and thrive and grow. So before any thing could be on earth, nature would have to have been there first. I think that is why Tom is the oldEST living being, why he would be older than the maier.
My understanding of the elvish rings of power was that once the one ring was crafted the elves knew what he had planned because as soon as he wore it upon his finger, the Elves became aware of him. So Only after Sauron's defeat, when the One Ring was cut from his finger at the end of the Second Age, did the Elves begin to actively use the Three to ward off the decay brought by time. Even then, the Rings could be worn without being seen. After the One Ring, they are the most powerful of the twenty Rings of Power.
Tolkien once said any good story should have an enigma, so he placed Tom in the story. I think he is that, indifferent to categories, just what Arda is (as someone said): pure music. Tom is the enigma of beauty, he should remain unnamed
To me the way Bombadil shows his power is by throwing the ring in the air and making it disappear as it flies before it lands again in his hand. It shows its power doesn't tempt him and also that he is able to operate around the rules it seems to impose around it.
I always believed that old Tom B was the character inhabited by Tolkien himself as a way for him to be part of the world he created. This makes sense as Tolkien never explained Tom other than to say he was “eldest” and was present when the “world” was created, just like Tolkien was. Tom’s being unaffected by anything in the books while simultaneously being all powerful is an author saying “the story tells itself, I’m just here to write it all down”. Fun move by Tolkien.
I think Tom Bombadil is not the aspect of Eru Illuvatar, but the aspect of the Flame Imperishable - the Secret Fire (Floame of Anor that Gandalf invokes). Why? It is the Power of Creation and was created before any Ainur and it was by this means Eru was able to create all the fear (souls), the Music of the Ainur and the existence of the universe Ea. The Secret Fire is present in all Fea and is the gift that gives sentient beings independent thought and free will. This must be why Sauron and Melkor could not harm TB. He is older than both of them and is present in both of them and thus more powerful as they cannot wield this 'Holy Spirit' basically. Goldberry seems to be soem sort of primal water spirit, or lesser Maia, or probably also predating the Music.
I still believe the stranger is Gandalf. Tom told him that he is supposed to face Sauron, we don’t know a blue wizard did that. Maybe the dark wizard is one of the two blue ones, and we learn that the other one is dead, or left. Or the second blue one shows up and helps the stranger. There are just huge Gandalf clues, and it makes more sense even commercially
The stranger is the grey wizard aka later the white wizard he became friends with the hobbits cause the hobbits are the two girls he traveling with they gave a hint and said they have no home meaning they will be the grandparents of the future hobbits that’s why Gandolf was good friends with the hobbits also they should be introducing gollum soon in this show
Gollum doesent exist yet. First Sauron creates the one ring, then he loses, comes back, loses again, isildur takes the ring and loses it and Smeagol finds it yeaaars after that
@@User-pn4zz Well the entire series spans like what 4 years, when the entire age is 3000. Stop giving the writers ideas... Quickly delete your comment before it's too late!
I prefer to think Bombadil is Imin, the very first elf and the only one awakened by Eru Illuvatar directly. He wandered the world long before finding and awakening the rest of the elves near Cuiviénen. He was chosen to be the lord of the Minyar, the first clan of elves, but he alone among the Minyar refused the call to move to Aman. The rest all chose to follow his direct descendent Ingwë to Valinor and become the Vanyar.
Thats the cool thing about the ainur, the only ones that are named are the ones that came to middle earth/valinor from the timeless void, which implies there are more ainur up there
Tom Bombadil is the embodiment of time and as indestructible as time aka 'Father Time', who exists at the beginning of everything and at the end, and every 'when' in-between, a literal time traveller.
Tom and Goldberry give me strong Adam and Eve vibes, a creation of Eru Ilúvatar in his own image, created for the garden before it was ruined by Melkor.
Tom Bombadil is a free radical. An unintended consequence of the creation of Arda. That is why he is older than the Valar and Maiar who entered Arda. It also explains why Treebeard is the oldest living creature, while Bombadil is eldest. He is not a living creature, but an emanation of Arda. Which is also why, though he can’t intervene with Sauron, he can’t be controlled by him either
I like how based on this episode, you grew more confident they're the Blue Wizards, while, also based on this episode, Nerd of the Rings came to the conclusion it's more and more likely it's just Gandalf and Saruman.
I’m loving it I don’t get the hate. I’ve read all the books watched the movies and I appreciate these additional stories coming from content previously unexplored
The stranger is the blue wizard who stayed true but was killed by the other one. He was then reborn by decree of Eru and turns into gandalf( like how he waa brought back after the blarog). Thats what I think anyways
@@FencingGold the NPC character that's actually the main character first put in place by Eru, before he even let the gods get down there. He's like Minecraft Steve or something. The first observer of all the new beings that Eru Illuvatar would end up populating middle earth with. An admirer of all the new things developing, maybe some kind of shepherd as well. That concept alone is pretty wild. He just keeps seeing new things pop up, and so he's probably the guy that has seen the most and learned the most.
Tom is an ainu (the race of the maiar and valar). That is the only known thing within Tolkien's lore that he could possibly be. He's not a vala, and may not technically be a maia, if he didn't go to Arda to specifically aid the valar, but he'd be comparable to them. So why isn't he affected by the Ring when the wizards are? Part of the concession made by the wizards for their mission was to take on incarnate human forms, and be subject to everything that comes with it (except for mortality). So we don't know that previous forms of the wizards, or other maiar, would be affected by the Ring, or even to what extent the wizards actually are affected. Gandalf actually picks up and holds the Ring in the book and doesn't go crazy, so...
if you know the lore behind No Mans Sky, the traveler (character you play as) is also the atlas (the computer that simluates the universe) the atlas basicaly injects an avatar of himself into the universe to explore these universes thhat it creates, the traveler is un aware that he is the atals as far as hes concerned he is a physical living being, so what if thats what tom is? an avatar of eru thats is completely unaware that hes erus avatar
Here's my FULL Lord of the Rings: Rings of Power Season 2 Episode 4 video and easter eggs. Post all your reactions in the comments! Here's my House Of The Dragon Season 3 video too! ua-cam.com/video/OAs_jMVDNYM/v-deo.html
solid episode I cant wait to dive into the fall of Eregion!
He is Tolkien himself. Goldenberry his wife. The Hobbits his children who he gives some aid and guidance for their lives.
This is why I think that Tom Bombadil should not be met in new stories. He should be wandering somewhere, only remembered by those who encountered him. Fictional and otherwise.
I think the stranger is Gandalf since he tells Nori to follow her nose. Gandalf says that in both movie series
Bombadil, James Bombadil
😂ok maybe you talked about this 😅however, Why NOT make just one ring to rule them ALL! WHY give everyone else rings 💍 of power?!! Just seems crazy to give rings 💍 😳 out and then have the same people turn on you. Keep your power and keep your rings!!
I took a LOTR course at Marquette University (where the original transcripts reside) and my professor’s read on Tom Bombadill is that he is just Tolkien
Actually an interesting take....Clive Cussler did something similar if WAY more overt
I like your theory of the creator observing his story come alive.
Some people think that he is like a personification of Eru Ilúvatar himself... But like, not in full power...
Erik Kripe of Supernatural did a similar thing on Supernatural with Chuck.
Heard that for many decades but it's laziness posing as cleverness. Bombadil is obviously Tolkien's ideal of living harmoniously with nature and not beguiled by technology (magic). A more British version of the noble savage.
My favorite theory of who Tom is (and my headcanon) is that Tom is the physical embodiment of the music of the Ainur. Which explains how he was here before everything else and is always singing.
Nie theory!
I love to think of Tom as the good embodiment of the music and Ungolianth with the nameless thing like The watcher in the water as the embodiment of evil and chaos in Melkors part of the music.
Nice theory!
This! He is the song manifested!
In my mind, Tom is an outside side quest character that represents tolkien himself; observing a world that he created whilst living in it.
I am enjoying the show and to hell with the haters.
I think your are in hell when watching this trash.
Totally agree with you on this point, I’m enjoying the show very much… I’m even going to rewatch the LOTR movies…
Yeaaaah buddy 👍
Same here 👍
@@israelnieves7785I actually just rewatched them in the last few weeks …so fantastic still
Meriadoc Brandybuck is his name. Not Merimac . 13:55
Yeah he really knows nothing other than what he has read about the episode. He also has zero idea what a joke is. He uses it to describe so many things that were meant as head nods or foreshadowing so I assume he failed English as well
The Blue Wizards names are Light and Dark in Elven. Tolkiens son released it not to long ago.
This is some final fantasy shit
Alatar and Pallando yes ! i wish we could learn more about them.
Not in Quenya they aren't. "Darkness Slayer" and "East Helper" for Morinehtar and Romestamo respectively
''I see you've found the GOAT'' was the best/funny line of this show
Yeah if you’re 12 years old. The writing is horrible.
@Mike-nr9po why are you watching a show that's so beneath you?
@@StudioPashnada in hopes it would improve after season one, pretty simple
@@Mike-nr9po who's more naive? A 12 year old or a grown man watching a show he clearly despises, spending his free time crying about it in youtube's comment section
Tom Bombadil is my favorite thing about Rings of power so far. Rory Kinnear really brought some Tolkien/Peter jackson vibe to the character.
Its a shame we may not see much more over the coming seasons. But he could have his own movie.
I’m sorry but if TB is you’re favorite part of a $250 million budget fantasy TV show that is pretty sad
Ok 🤣
@rajaalghul
QED… the show is a disappointment to say the least.
Both shit
@@rajaalghulhow is that sad? He’s a super interesting character
Season 2 is better than season 1. No one can deny that
I mean, it's still full of problems, but it's definitely been better.
People keep saying that. But is it really? If it is, then just by a hair.
I will
unwatchable disgusting mess
@@primal1233 read a book
The most logical identity of Tom Bombadil at least in my opinion is he is the avatar Ilúvatar. Even if the books never said Ilúvatar took on a physical form. I think Tom is Ilúvatar way of influencing the world in a low level way. Without being really heavy handed about it. He is the oldest being on Middle Earth, the ring has no power over him, and he seems to be more powerful than Sauron. But, has never once interfered directly in the events of Middle Earth. Sounds a lot like a capital "G" God to me. To quote Futurama. "When you do things right. People won't be sure you've done anything at all."
He is not eru iluvatar
Seems like god in this universe.
@@matthewmckinney5387 What are you basing that statement on? Maybe he isn't and maybe he is. Tolkien left it way too vague to say for sure.
@@Flynn01979 Tolkien also stated that should Sauron take over Middle Earth then even Tom Bombadil would eventually fall, so I think it's unlikely.
TOm definitely isn't Eru/Illuvatar, who is Tolkien's representation of God in the legendarium. Eru would have been able to shatter the Ring itself with a single statement. Tom could not do so. That was beyond his power, just as influencing Tom was beyond the Ring's power. Tom Bombadil is necessarily one of the Ainur of the Maiar class. Were he a Valar, his realm would not have diminished as Sauron's influence grew. As Gandalf says of Tom "and now, he has withdrawn into a little land, within boundaries that he himself has set, and he will not step beyond them, waiting perhaps for a change of days." Tom was not omnipotent by any means. As Gandalf also says to one of the Elves who suggested that Tom had power over the one Ring: "Say rather that the ring has no power over him. He is his own master. But he cannot alter the ring itself, nor effect its power over others." Tom was less in power and magnitude than the Valar, HOWEVER, he entered the world before they did ( he didn't exist before they did, but he came to Arda/earth first ). Because he was a being of the same order as Sauron who, UNLIKE the Istari/Wizards was not temporarily confined to a limited form that limited his power, and whose very nature was antithetical to the type of domination of others that the Ring was made to play to.
Why so much hate for this show? I like it 🤷🏼♂️
I like the rings of power as well, I'm just getting around to watching this season. I think there are 3 reasons for the hate of the show. 1. People want it to stay as close as it can to what the characters should be., 2. In social media people love to hate on things and 3 is part of #2. The loudest voices on social media are those with the strongest feelings about things. But like in most cases it doesn't represent the group as a whole.
@@FlightSims-v4p I never Read the books. I just watched the movie so I have no expectations. I'm digging it
Yooooo if the stranger and the dark wizard are the 2 blue wizards that would be brilliant!!! i never thought of that
In the hobbit Gandolf says there are 5 wizards himself, radigast the brown saroman and the 2 blues .Can't remember their names, ??,
tom is the personification of Arda, and goldenberry is the personification of the natural life on Arda. or so i like to believe.
Nice theory!
Yes you are right
GOLDBERRY not GOLDENBERRY
Sincerely hope they are blue wizards.
It's the lesser of two evils. If they are the blue wizards, well then it's super lame. Since then they would've given us Gandalf and Saruman in a blue suite... Also the blue wizards were sent together. They arrived by boat... So then they gave us 2 seasons of "subverting expectations" and all we got is a light copy of Gandalf and Saruman with a cop out at the end...
Why?! Why did they have to do this? The wizards and the entire hobbit plotlines is nothing but lame member berries. If they are the blue wizards and the reveal is at the end of season 2. Then that are 2 seasons of actual content we didn't get about the blue wizards...
If it's not the blue wizards. It has to be Radagast, Gandalf or Saruman. Which would be very very lorebreaking.
If it's not any of them, it would be very very lore breaking.
Now one has fallen from the sky like a meteor and I guess his counterpart is evil now?
So much potential, so much wasted.
@@FragLord All the movies and all film adaptions of the Tolkien universe is "lore breaking." If you dont want lore breaking, stick to the books and dont watch anything on film. No Tolkien content on film is even meant to be faithful to the lore exactly so. It is meant for the context to be enjoyed by many, not just the fans. If there were films that were perfectly fitted to the books, you would have a 3 hour movie for a single side quest, as Tolkien was known to ramble and insert many side quests, and explain journeys outside of chronological order. So I would realize that before starting to criticize anything in the show. If it even influences any to read the books, then its a job well done!
@@GalacticLibertyGuardian There is a difference between adapting an existing story and inventing side stories around an existing red line.
Lore breaking, like crime, comes in degrees.
Applying your logic to crime there is no difference between unintentional manslaughter and wholescale genocide. The world isn't binary, maybe you are. But that's not how it's work buddy... There is a clear difference and therefore we give a clear and different ruling on the subject matter...
Is the Peter Jackson trilogy lore breaking, yes. Alot, no. Was it good, yes.
The PJ trilogy is 90% and more faithful to a source material of 3 volumes.
Is rings of power lore breaking. Yes. Alot, yes. Is it good, no...
Rings of power is 10% faitful to a source material of an appendix...
Spot the difference.
At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
This series is exactly the 3 hours of boring rambling we don't need... I'll prefer to listen to Tolkien talk for 3 hours over this utter member berry sprinkled drivle
They didn't write mysterious lines for Tom Bombadil hinting at his identity; his lines are mostly taken directly from his chapter in the book.
I love the Ents what a lovely scene.
I believe this is the first time we've seen the Ent Wives in live action.
@@emergencyawesome I'm happy they did justice to the entwife because their fate was always tragic in the book.
@@emergencyawesome - it's such a sweet instance, cherry blossoms.
@@olivergarrick1175 They kind of overdid it imo. The ents are shepherds. They are 100% aware that other beings need wood to basically live... Imagine a medieval society without wood... Ain't happening bruh. The Ents are there to protect from exploitation and to keep the balance. The female ent being so angry over such a little question makes no sense at all. It's like she's on coke or has ptsd.
The Ents in LOTR aren't angry at Saruman for cutting trees. They are angry because they cut for more than they would reasonably need... That and a wizard should know better...
My favorite theory of Tom is that he is Nature in flesh form, in the canon it is said he was their at the start of everything, he saw the song. Hence also why he is married to the river's daughter, and in turn it also explains why the rings has no influence on him. Nature does not care for the power man craves, and why Tom would just lose interest in the ring if you gave it to him. I see him kind of like Ungoliant, a force Morgoth found that scared him.
Liked this show since season 1 but I will admit season 2 is leagues above season 1
I wouldn’t shout about liking shit 💩
So your the one who actually watches this trash
@emergency awesome remember, in the books, Tom Bombadil tosses the ring in the air and makes it disappear and appear in his other hand, showing the ring has no power over him, it is just a trinket. Imo, Bombadil is from the void like Ungoliant, he just appears from space and just "IS"
I was about to comment that we are going to see a split in this episode: those who have read the LoTR books (at minimum) and those who have not. Those who have not, they'll enjoy the episode however there'll be a few things that'll go over their heads. Those like me who have, will truly appreciate this episode. I did a little happy cheer when Tom appeared as I do feel it is a hat tip to all of those (like me) who would've loved to have seen him in the movies. At the same time, I totally agree with Peter Jackson in not having his story line and the adjustments he made because he did need to make a movie and the books... I remember how Tolkien spent THREE PAGES describing those stairs that Frodo and Sam climb hahaha ... there were definatly aspects that didn't need to be included. (Oh, and I always have a soft spot for the Ents. I cried happy tears when I saw them in the movies as I had read about them in the book and even in the book I was cheering them on.)
I've always thought Tom was a manifestation or a physical embodiment of the song of creation.
I am enjoying where they are taking the series. I know they have made some major modifications. However, I think they have made the story easy for those who are not familiar with the books. While at the same time hitting some major notes for those of us who love the books.
The Dark Wizard saying that he will personally deal with the Stranger is sort of reminiscent of what the Witch King says about breaking Gandalf in Return of the King.
Yeah member peter jackson?
The episodes are filled with memberberries😂 it's funny.
Dude! The thumbnail caught my eye cuz I recognized the guy who played young Ned Stark on GOT! 😮
Yes, that is the same actor who played young Ned Stark.
I knew he looked familiar!
I am just blown away at how gorgeous the show is and though the pacing is inconsistent, when it's on, it's on. I think people who watch this show at ages 10-16, will grow up cherishing it. The Ents, Tom Bombadi, the Wights, it just looks stunning.
Tom Bombadil is necessarily one of the Ainur of the Maiar class. Were he a Valar, his realm would not have diminished as Sauron's influence grew. As Gandalf says of Tom "and now, he has withdrawn into a little land, within boundaries that he himself has set, and he will not step beyond them, waiting perhaps for a change of days." Tom was not omnipotent by any means. As Gandalf also says to one of the Elves who suggested that Tom had power over the one Ring: "Say rather that the ring has no power over him. He is his own master. But he cannot alter the ring itself, nor effect its power over others." Tom was less in power and magnitude than the Valar, HOWEVER, he entered the world before they did ( he didn't exist before they did, but he came to Arda/earth first ). Because he was a being of the same order as Sauron who, UNLIKE the Istari/Wizards was not temporarily confined to a limited form that limited his power, and whose very nature was antithetical to the type of domination of others that the Ring was made to play to.
Interesting. But if he were a Maia, he would still be susceptible to Sauron and Melkor's corruption, as Curumo and possibly Pallando were.
@@JayGriffinblaze ugh, device glitched and ate my answer. TO your point, not necessarily. Remember, Curumo and Pallando ( even if Pallando was corrupted ) were both essentially trapped in limited incarnations, however temporary. While in their Istari forms, they were subject to most of the same temptations ad vulnerabilities as were the Elves, though they had greater powers. Another Ainu of Maiar class who was NOT bound by any of the restrictions and limitations of the Istari, akin to Sauron in powers but not greater than Sauron, would have been a different equation. Tom was also essentially differnt from Sauron. Saruman was very much like Sauron and Sauron understood him very well. Sauron understood Gadalf less, and had FAR less understanding of Radagast. Radagast, who mostly wandered from his mission, though not completely, was more like Tom than any of the other Istari, but even Radagast came with mission, and a will to direct and guide others, and, again, Radagast had taken on the limitations of incarnation in a form that hampered his innate powers and wisdom. Tom had no such limitations, and had no interest in the things the Ring was designed to do and to enhance. Shelob was less than any full on, undiminished, unbound Ainu, but she had no interst in Sauron's Ring because she had no interst in domination or conquest. Eru would have been able to destroy the Ring infinitely more quickly than Orodruin could. The Valar could have beaten Sauron's Ring into a coin. Tom could not harm the Ring, he could not remove it's influence from others, but he also could not be mastered by it. He was it's equal, as one would expect of a fellow Ainu of Maiar class who was not bound by outstanding limitaitions, and who was diametrically opposite to Sauron in his interests and way of thinking.
Tom Bombadil is like "Nature" (or earth if we want the relationship with Goldberry as water), a largely neutral force but most powerful. His opposition to Morgoth and Sauron would be in their need for dominion and absolute order, whereas nature is a mix of order and chaos. Also he is immune to magic which is something like a stand-in for technology to Tolkien. Gandalf does say that if Sauron went unopposed eventually even Bombadil would fall or have nothing left in the world for him, like utter pollution and nuclear contamination rendering a dead planet.
And that's where _Rings of Power_ is different from LOTR: there is too much magic in ROP, which Tolkien wasn't a fan of. This whole battle for Middle Earth is a tech war between Sauron and and the pro-Free People Maia forces. The magic=technology factor is very clear; a little of it is very helpful and even necessary but reliance on it is perilous.
Yeah, I’ve always seen him as an embodiment of ‘nature’, like a ‘Green Man’ kind of figure
Glad to finally find an informative video .
Unlike most just picking everything to bits.
Loving the series.
Thank you
Thanks for this vid Charlie!👍 I am really enjoying this season. I feel so lucky we get more and more info for the LOTR. As for Tom Bombadil, I think he is their version of "Father Time". When the world was created he was. To put it simply he is the same age as the planet because it began and so did he. Goldeberry is therefore Mother Earth. Paired with Tom since her creation. They are as inseparable because they began together. But, Goldberry is probably in the one spot we see in the original books in the Second Age. Tom probably decided to wander a bit and then return. Since Tom can basically control anything of the planet if he wants, he knows that he isn't meant to interfere but to simple be. Tom is impossible to oppose but always with us and part of our choices, as is the way of time.
Whatever Tom Bombadil is he represents a being with no desire for domination, either being dominated or dominating others. Like the complete antithesis to the Dark Lords will to power philosophy. The Ring has no effect or influence on him for it offers nothing he could want. I know from his personal letters Tolkien held some anarchic beliefs and philosophy. I believe he may have poured some of that into the Tom Bombadil character, as well as representing untainted, untamed, mysterious primordial nature. 🧙🏻♂️🌿🌾☀️💛💙
I’ve always interpreted Tom Bombadil as Tolkiens nod to the Green Man . Also Goldberry gives Mother Nature so basically Earth mama and papa. I thinks that’s why we don’t know that much about them except that they were there long before anyone else. Also that would sorta give a reason to their powers and not being influenced by the Rings and corruptions.
Tom reminds me of Jack Black.
Tom has been awake since before the breaking of the first silence.. In that time, he has had many names.
@@thapoppyman this is 😂😂😂😂😂
He reminds me of Hagrid😢
That would be great if he broke into a Jack Black scat.
Jack Black is a leftist moron, like most people who love this show
In Season 1 Halbrand totally touched the Mithril ore piece, that was used to create the elven rings. Just as he did with the piece that was used for the dwarves rings. I remember thinking that Sauron influencing the elven rings was different from the books and wondered if such a huge change to the books was even allowed :)
The Old Man Ironwood is a reference to Old Man Willow in Fellowship of the Ring. The tree that swallowed Merry and Pippin like this one did the Stranger. The poem Tom Bombadil speaks to th Old Man Ironwood is also basically the same as he speaks to Old Man Willow in Lord of the Rings to make him release the hobbits.
Yeah indeed. Like 90% of this show are references to another adaptation and member berries. Except for the stuff that has been invented outside of the actual story, they didn't give us anything new.
The only new cannon thing they gave us so far is Tom Bombadil. One of the few beings explicitly left to mystery by Tolkien...
Damn, this episode might be my favorite episode yet of season 2!! I enjoyed this one a lot! I have a cool idea/ theory about Tom Bombadil. From some of the marvel movies and other things I came across over the years, it’s been said the the Infinity Stones are remnants/ pieces of a past universe that existed prior to the MCU that we know. What if a past/ different universe existed before Middle Earth and Tom Bombadil came from that one? I think that’s a cool idea! I also had NO idea how powerful he is!! He really sounds like a omnipotent being. From other movies and Tv shows I’ve seen, there definitely are beings like that. If I remember correctly of what I’ve heard about the marvel comics, Galactus existed in a different form in a previous universe before he became the Galactus we know. I also had no idea Tom Bombadil was going to be in this episode!! When I sat down on Thursday night and started this episode, I talked with a friend of mine for a few minutes. I told him about how I’ve been a big fan of the Lord of the rings movies and hobbit movies. I even told him about my experience reading the books and mentioned Tom Bombadil! Was quiet a surprise and treat for me!! Even though I really liked the whole episode, seeing some Ents in the episode was a huge highlight for me!! I absolutely LOVED the Ents having a part/ role in the two towers!! From the first time I watched the Two Towers, I immediately became fascinated with the Ents!! They’re definitely my favourite parts from the Two Towers!! It was definitely very exciting and cool to see the Ent Wives for the first time! I also loved the teases and foreshadowing of the Hobbits and the Shire! I hope the episodes get even better from here! I’m really looking forward to the rest of season 2!! Another fantastic breakdown Charlie!
I think they nailed it with Tom. I think him just being a quintessential English farmer is perfect. Like he's only ever drunk cider in his life but isn't drunk as much as just merry
Wow!! Thanks, I read the Fellowship trilogy, when in High School, but your insight really explains the Deeper Backstory.
Regardless of how you feel about the show, seeing a live action adaptation of Tom Bombadil so faithful to the original books is incredibly exciting.
Do you wear a helmet when you leave your house?
I mean, do you? @@scdavis5074
Tom Bombadil = Chuck Norris
Hugh Jackman, Jack Nicholson. The actor in the show didn't have any edginess to him.
THANKS for this, @emergencyawesome Charlie!!!!!
I remember #PeterJackson said he had to deeply narrow the books to create three movie scripts. Anything that didn't have to do with #Frodo throwing #theonering into #MountDoom had to go, I remember him saying.
#LoTR #LotRROP #LordoftheRingsRingsofPower #RingsofPower #RingsofPowerSeason2 #RingsofPowerS2 #TomBombadil
Tom Bombadil is YODA
Google translate says you mean ‘Bombadill Yoda is’ just for anyone who was wondering.
I'm happy to think Tom Bombadil is the essence of Time. It works for me until it can't
Fantastic episode. Fabulous video review and appreciate the further breakdown on Tom Bombadil.
Much appreciated!
I believed it then, I believe it still: Tom Bombadil is Eru Ilúvatar
I don't understand all the hate for this series. Episode 4 was fantastic in my opinion. It had right ammount of action, drama and mystery to be entertained whole time. Tom was great, Harfoot arc was wholesome and I liked especially Isildur story and his dynamic with the girl. Too bad it's probably over. The elves battle scene was pretty good too.
Hate watching is the new in-thing
Yeah, a lot of people just really want to hate this show. I enjoy it. Even the first season was fun. I enjoyed it more that House of the Dragon.
For book readers (like me) not hate, just disappointment with a total disregard for Tolkien's well established lore. Galadrial devoid of grace and wisdom, Celeborn nowhere to be seen, Sauron campaigning for Orc support, Elven rings made before those of Dwarves and men, unrecognizable Númenórë story line, Barrow Wights existing in the second age when it was clear that they were created by the Witch King of Angmar (which didn't exist until the third age) . Elrond somehow knowing how to defeat Barrow Wights when the lore that would tell him how did not yet exist, Stoors living in the desert when JRRT alwasy ever described them as river people and fishermen, Harfoots crying because they had no home when there entire culture was based upon wandering, Tom Bombadil depicted as a character who somehow now concerned himself with the survival of all middle earth and specifically to train wizards in magic, on and on and on.
No hate, just a realization that the writers and show runners did not even make a half-hearted attempt to follow Tolkien's legandarium. At best it is fan fiction that uses names from Tolkien's works. If that makes you happy then that is great. For me, I am not giving it another viewing minute.
@@palmergary Same can be said about PJ LOTR Trilogy, yet people loved it. All of a sudden it had to be 100% accurate to the source material. And I assure you, PJ Trilogy had much worse changes like the ending of ROTK etc. Google what movie adaptation stands for if you are not familiar with the definition.
@@ant_989 no the same cannot be said about the PJ films. Although there were departures (Arwen/Glorfindel, no TB , no scourge of the Shire, and a few more, PJ and company took care to follow lore and to honor Tolkien's vision. IMO, better writing better acting and at a fraction of the cost. Just no comparison. But, again, if you are happy with the Amazon rendition who am I to tell anyone what to like. Heck, I would compare Amazon's work with Jorderoski's Dune. Taking liberties without consequences.
Charlie Hopkinson's Charlie Bombadil impersonation is actually pretty good 😂👍
Celeborn, Glorfindel and Haldir should show up at some point that would be amazing
The Dwarves, who received seven rings from Sauron, were not turned into wraiths like the Men who became the Nazgûl. Instead, the rings amplified their natural lust for riches and treasures. This led to greater wealth and prosperity for some Dwarven kingdoms, but it also brought about internal strife and conflict, as well as making them more susceptible to Sauron’s influence and manipulation.
Unlike Men, whose rings granted them unnaturally long life and eventually bound them to Sauron’s will as the Ringwraiths, the Dwarves’ inherent resilience and stubbornness prevented them from being fully dominated.
In Tolkien’s world the same source of power can have vastly different impacts depending on the character and nature of those who wield it.
The Dwarves also lose all their rings, looking forward to seeing that!
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Why did they have to give King Gil-galad a Liberace amount of rings?
He removed them all though later
Honestly they got me with Tom Bombadil 💘 delivered to the highest expectations 😍
I've always like to think that Tom Bombadil was an idea taken shape. He came before The Lord of the rings books. So of course he's eldest. Nothing affects him because he's outside of the world.
Finally made it through the premiere episodes, gotta say, huge improvement over last season! Let’s see where this goes! Thank you Charlie!
Sauron may not have touched the Elven rings or done any enchantments on them however he did touch and hold the Mithril that went into creating them.
True!! My boyfriend and I have been going back and forth about it.
he touched only dwarves and human mithrils rings, nah? atleast by series lotr story i just watch (sry for my englihs, im self thought) i dont understan ... he havent been touching the elfes mithril or rings at all, did he?
He did not touch anyto do with the elves rings, the silmarilian confirms that
He touched the methyl while wondering but not knowing exactly what it was. He was in mind to pour his essence into it because a ring wasn’t even a spoken idea. Not even his. He observed it only, it would seem. Plus, according to the books he didn’t have any interference in the elven rings outside of ideation.
Sauron not only touched the Mithril, he touched and used Galadrial's dagger in season 1 which was melted down and went into making the three rings and I think he touched the gems in Celebrimbors lab.
Slight correction for the comment at 10:28... Sauron was unable to force the dwarf's to submit to his will while they wore the rings, nor did they turn invisible. It mostly just amplified their greed and lead to the dragons wreaking them.
Tom Bombadil IMO is the Avatar of middle earth, his wife may be the avatar of air and water or simply just Tom's companion that that was manifest upon his creation
Tom Bombadil is just THAT guy
Man I’d say if this season continues to only get better and season 3 better then season 2. Then I say let there be another collection of amazing stories done in a series. As well as a new 2 trilogy series covering the tales of Morgoth
I think tom is nature personified. He exists, thrives, and things grow all around him amidst the ever changing landscape. He just goes about his life and focuses on growing things, caring for things, existing. Same as all living things, they exist regardless of the whims and destruction of man and the effects they have on the ever changing environment, they don’t interfere. They just live amongst the changes, amid the wars etc., just like Tom. Before any living thing can emerge, the environment has to be suitable for it to survive and thrive and grow. So before any thing could be on earth, nature would have to have been there first. I think that is why Tom is the oldEST living being, why he would be older than the maier.
My understanding of the elvish rings of power was that once the one ring was crafted the elves knew what he had planned because as soon as he wore it upon his finger, the Elves became aware of him. So Only after Sauron's defeat, when the One Ring was cut from his finger at the end of the Second Age, did the Elves begin to actively use the Three to ward off the decay brought by time. Even then, the Rings could be worn without being seen. After the One Ring, they are the most powerful of the twenty Rings of Power.
Tom is the Author Self-insert. He dreamed up even Iluvatar. Of course he knows every character and element of Middle Earth.
Tolkien once said any good story should have an enigma, so he placed Tom in the story. I think he is that, indifferent to categories, just what Arda is (as someone said): pure music. Tom is the enigma of beauty, he should remain unnamed
I didn't no all this about Lord Of The Rings great video Charlie 👍
Thanks 👍
To me the way Bombadil shows his power is by throwing the ring in the air and making it disappear as it flies before it lands again in his hand. It shows its power doesn't tempt him and also that he is able to operate around the rules it seems to impose around it.
Thanks Charlie this season is so much better can't wait for the next episode
I always believed that old Tom B was the character inhabited by Tolkien himself as a way for him to be part of the world he created. This makes sense as Tolkien never explained Tom other than to say he was “eldest” and was present when the “world” was created, just like Tolkien was. Tom’s being unaffected by anything in the books while simultaneously being all powerful is an author saying “the story tells itself, I’m just here to write it all down”. Fun move by Tolkien.
I think Tom Bombadil is not the aspect of Eru Illuvatar, but the aspect of the Flame Imperishable - the Secret Fire (Floame of Anor that Gandalf invokes). Why? It is the Power of Creation and was created before any Ainur and it was by this means Eru was able to create all the fear (souls), the Music of the Ainur and the existence of the universe Ea. The Secret Fire is present in all Fea and is the gift that gives sentient beings independent thought and free will. This must be why Sauron and Melkor could not harm TB. He is older than both of them and is present in both of them and thus more powerful as they cannot wield this 'Holy Spirit' basically.
Goldberry seems to be soem sort of primal water spirit, or lesser Maia, or probably also predating the Music.
love love your breakdown! :)
Thank you!
I still believe the stranger is Gandalf. Tom told him that he is supposed to face Sauron, we don’t know a blue wizard did that. Maybe the dark wizard is one of the two blue ones, and we learn that the other one is dead, or left. Or the second blue one shows up and helps the stranger. There are just huge Gandalf clues, and it makes more sense even commercially
Twas their original mission but they failed.
That was the task of all the Istari
He most definitely is Gandalf. He tells Nori at the end of season1 "When in doubt always follow your nose." Gandalf syas it in the Hobbit and Lotr
The descriptions match Alatar, not Gandalf.
@@josephdezarov9204 That's just a nod to that movie
The stranger is the grey wizard aka later the white wizard he became friends with the hobbits cause the hobbits are the two girls he traveling with they gave a hint and said they have no home meaning they will be the grandparents of the future hobbits that’s why Gandolf was good friends with the hobbits also they should be introducing gollum soon in this show
Gollum doesent exist yet.
First Sauron creates the one ring, then he loses, comes back, loses again, isildur takes the ring and loses it and Smeagol finds it yeaaars after that
@@User-pn4zz Well the entire series spans like what 4 years, when the entire age is 3000. Stop giving the writers ideas... Quickly delete your comment before it's too late!
Thank you Charlie.
Bombadil is a dream-manifestation of Manwë and with him comes Goldberry, the manifestation of Varda ;)
That's how I imagine them.
Some count and see how many time Charlie says Tom Bombadil??
I appreciate the upbeat, positive perspective.
I like this season more than season 1. Love the easter eggs too.
I prefer to think Bombadil is Imin, the very first elf and the only one awakened by Eru Illuvatar directly. He wandered the world long before finding and awakening the rest of the elves near Cuiviénen. He was chosen to be the lord of the Minyar, the first clan of elves, but he alone among the Minyar refused the call to move to Aman. The rest all chose to follow his direct descendent Ingwë to Valinor and become the Vanyar.
Merry from LOTR full name is Meriadoc not Merimac
Thats the cool thing about the ainur, the only ones that are named are the ones that came to middle earth/valinor from the timeless void, which implies there are more ainur up there
Tom Bombadil is an echo of the music of the Ainur. Also I am pretty sure "Old Man Ironwood" was a Huorn, not an Ent.
Definitely not an Ent. 👍
A Huorn is an ent that has gone tree-ish
@@iluvatarsbane2097 or a tree who has gone Entish. Either way, that ironwood wasn't walking and had no face...hence Huorn
Great breakdown Charlie
Tom Bombadil is the embodiment of time and as indestructible as time aka 'Father Time', who exists at the beginning of everything and at the end, and every 'when' in-between, a literal time traveller.
Tom and Goldberry give me strong Adam and Eve vibes, a creation of Eru Ilúvatar in his own image, created for the garden before it was ruined by Melkor.
Thank you again. Well done.
I like how you point out all the positive information. Also explain so much.
Just finished watching this , Great breakdown Charlie ❤
Much appreciated!
He is the emptyness. Before anything existed, there was a void, that is Tom.
Tom Bombadil is a free radical. An unintended consequence of the creation of Arda. That is why he is older than the Valar and Maiar who entered Arda. It also explains why Treebeard is the oldest living creature, while Bombadil is eldest. He is not a living creature, but an emanation of Arda. Which is also why, though he can’t intervene with Sauron, he can’t be controlled by him either
@Astro could be true, but still too speculative. I think it's also said that if Sauron has the ring again, even Tom Bombadil is not safe.
I like how based on this episode, you grew more confident they're the Blue Wizards, while, also based on this episode, Nerd of the Rings came to the conclusion it's more and more likely it's just Gandalf and Saruman.
I still remember the Barrow Wights from the The Battle for Middle-earth II: The Rise of the Witch-king game
I’m loving it I don’t get the hate. I’ve read all the books watched the movies and I appreciate these additional stories coming from content previously unexplored
Bomboclat... Tom Bomboclat
LMAO
Amazing show, thank u for the analysis
I am ready for a new movie
Thanks! The Lord Of The Rings War Of The Rohirrim Movie will be released later this year.
Furthermore, Ents were conceived in the time of the Trees by Yavanna, after Aulë made the Dwarves.
It was awesome.. thank you for the breakdown.. NYC one ❤️
You're welcome!
The stranger is the blue wizard who stayed true but was killed by the other one. He was then reborn by decree of Eru and turns into gandalf( like how he waa brought back after the blarog). Thats what I think anyways
if you ever listened to the audiobook, the Live action portrayal of Tom Bombadil seems lacking.
They did Tom Bombadil SO perfectly. He's such a difficult character to put into media but they absolutely nailed it. So impressed.
@@FencingGold the NPC character that's actually the main character first put in place by Eru, before he even let the gods get down there.
He's like Minecraft Steve or something. The first observer of all the new beings that Eru Illuvatar would end up populating middle earth with. An admirer of all the new things developing, maybe some kind of shepherd as well. That concept alone is pretty wild. He just keeps seeing new things pop up, and so he's probably the guy that has seen the most and learned the most.
He should have spoken in rhymes and songs like written by Tolkien
Tom is an ainu (the race of the maiar and valar). That is the only known thing within Tolkien's lore that he could possibly be. He's not a vala, and may not technically be a maia, if he didn't go to Arda to specifically aid the valar, but he'd be comparable to them. So why isn't he affected by the Ring when the wizards are? Part of the concession made by the wizards for their mission was to take on incarnate human forms, and be subject to everything that comes with it (except for mortality). So we don't know that previous forms of the wizards, or other maiar, would be affected by the Ring, or even to what extent the wizards actually are affected. Gandalf actually picks up and holds the Ring in the book and doesn't go crazy, so...
But he did admit it would eventually corrupt him as he grows in power.
@@JayGriffinblaze true.
if you know the lore behind No Mans Sky, the traveler (character you play as) is also the atlas (the computer that simluates the universe) the atlas basicaly injects an avatar of himself into the universe to explore these universes thhat it creates, the traveler is un aware that he is the atals as far as hes concerned he is a physical living being, so what if thats what tom is? an avatar of eru thats is completely unaware that hes erus avatar