Well, if you are, can I please get your opinion on Halo 5? Just your general opinion no need to go into real detail, but your honest opinion on what went wrong.
Thank you for the heart and passion. You went above and beyond instead of making a generic action movie soundtrack, you made music that touched the soul. Monks chanting, who would of thought? You sir are incredible.
Martin O'Donnell Oh my God, it’s Marty! You’ve created the music of my childhood. Me and the rest of the subscribers of r/halocirclejerk would like to thank you. Also, did you work on the Halo: Infinite music? The trailer’s music sounds a lot like Halo 3’s.
the copying of cod with halo 4 is when I fully understood that these people have no clue about halo at all... Then of course my views were only strengthened when they released a unfinished game known as MCC and a halo titles that lacked split screen known as H5. I wonder how shitty H6 is going to be? 10 bucks says they add something gay like wall running or take out something kool like team objective.
l am must agree, everyone is always concerned with their fucking graphics cards and framerates, lighting, textures, so many modern gamers are a fucking joke.
i am not completely disregarding that they aren't important, no one would ever let a game pass for playing at 4 fps. I am saying so many modern gamers ONLY care about having optimal graphic settings, so much so that they don't even know how much fun they're actually having with games, just as long as it looks good. Games are supposed to be fun, but so many others are just caught up in how it looks.
You can tell the difference just in how they talk, with bungie being super chill and casual about it, using everyday words, and 343 being super corporate and using this complex words so the people watching think it's important and smart
I think It's the people making the video, scripting them to say what they think the audience wants. Big corporations tend to do this with big advertising departments. They make it so flashy and clean because they can, which loses some of the 'honest quality' behind it all.
Yeah. It's like 343's talk somehow feels robotic. Un-natural. It just makes me gloss over their crap and never listen to it. I personally felt some of the Bungie's feelings behind it. It's almost personal. Like there is drive, abit of passion in how they talk.
343's games aren't even good competitive games. They have the allure of being a competitive game by emulating sports programs but when it comes down to it the games are full of crazy bullet magnetism, randomness, bad movement, bad maps, and a ton of other shit that makes them bad competitive games.
@@MezMez They don’t realize that it is nearly impossible to build a game centered around competitiveness. You need to have flawless mechanics and perfectly fair interactions. 99 percent of great games at the competitive level started out as casual experiences. The passion for those games is what creates the competitive market. Build a great game, the community will take care of the rest.
@@Rob-b2q8punreal tournament is a great example of that. The 3rd game is super casual but is taken very seriously now by the community, due to being so fun and fair
ShadowBrony I think 343 focused on fun too much and they forgot the serious bits like the story. The multiplayer which was supposed to be fun, was competitive maps. And just like that one Bungie developer said, "if you think your game is fun, it's not." You have to really think about your game and what can go, what can stay, and what needs to be implemented to make it even better.
The first step in the right direction is Doom. The modern shooter that UNDERSTANDS that it's a video game and is therefore an incredibly fun video game, instead of a "gritty and realistic" piece of shit.
+The Macaroni Chronicles No I'm 100% serious. Recently a lot of shooters, have been trying to make their games "realistic" and making them not fun in the process. Doom however prioritises fun over all else.
2001-2010 Bungie was honestly legendary, I'm so glad I got to experience that era growing up. Unfortunately, as soon as the money making potential of the gaming industry was realized the corporate bastards decided to milk it dry instead of producing genuine content. That's why all of the magic is lost today.
@Kimi Timoskainen no....thats not true. You don't understand. The campaign was really enjoyable. I loved it infact. Yeah the multiplayer doesn't have content. But it's still very fun. To me. I really enjoyed infinite.
@Kimi Timoskainen ehhhh....your right. Although I kinda ment the campaign, not the multiplayer. I did have fun with the multiplayer. But yeah, not many people playing. due to lack of content. I don't really play multiplayer often anyway. But. Its really all about the campaign for me, and for that. I think 343 did something pretty decent. Yeah no coop or forge yet. Which would have made it better. But it will come.
@@Welipe Aye. Nintendo has quite a few flaws as a company, but by God do they make good games. I guess putting more effort into a game's mechanics and making it fun is better than new and improved visuals.
I don't know why you're randomly talking about Bonnie Ross being sexist or whatever as that hardly has anything to do with what Giddy cypress is talking about but okay... You're right though. Ex bungie was pretty good. Bungie now pretty much sucks. And 343 has always pretty much sucked lol. Okay... Maybe that's not fair. They are okay now... But not great like halo 1,2,3, and Reach.
Isiskos Aw yeah I love to grind with no real purpose but to get better weapons and experience shit dlc with a forgettable storyline and the only way to learn the lore being the grimoire cards.. that was my shit
I mean, you can't bs on gameplay on E3 unless ur no man's sky and then we can return the game. However everyone BSes on graphics and have random ppl reading from a script to distract you from the fact that no one is doing anything different since ps2
It still amazes me how Halo 2, a game that was rushed and put together by people who are burnt out but keep pushing, ended up being better than a whole trilogy made by a company with a bigger budget, more people and about a decades worth of time. I swear 343 had never played Halo until they get the rights to the game
Thank you BananaFist for being one of the few smart people that sees such a obvious thing. 343s business practices all pretty much scream "We just want your money and don't care about your game"
Seeing the 343 devs all self-congratulatory over seeing their bloody lootbox system is all that needs to be shown or said about how much they don't care about actually playing or enjoying games seriously
Bungie back then had talent and didn't seem to want to rape our wallets nearly as badly as 343 does. We would gladly give halo tons of money today if it was still... You know... GOOD?!?!?!?!!!! I have bought multiple copies of all the bungie halo titles. Can't say the same for 343s halo games. Haven't gotten any newer halo games since halo 4 lol. That one left a bad taste in my mouth. The problem is that the games are pretty "meh" under 343. Maybe not big riggs or super man 64 bad but still.... They are pretty bad especially when it comes to price. Gaming was cheaper once upon a time and wages used to be better so to see micro transaction trash like halo 5 flood the market is really just faggot shit lol. Don't forget guys... This is the company that sold us a 60 dollar drink coaster known as MCC. And then while failing to fix it to this very day... 343 came out to tell us that Halo 5 wouldn't suck like MCC lol. That's sad when you have to come out and tell us that your next game wont suck like your last game hahahaha. Here's the real funny part... Halo 5 did suck and still sucks even after updates. Shit story, codlike gameplay, weak/lack of content... especially at launch, micro transactions, and broken modes/glitches within forge, theater, and fire fight. The game really had a "we will fix it later with updates and patches" approach and they never really did fulfill that mind set with halo 5. The "free dlc" sounded nice but in reality it wasn't nice at all... The free DLC is just stuff that the game should have launched with. Clearly the game wasn't ready. They shouldn't launch a unfinished game. Makes for a bad first impression and shows that they are greedy. Also... Games that get updated can get better yeah sure... But that hardly ever happens and 343 sure as shit never seems to be able to pull it off. If they some how pull off a miracle and make halo 6 as good as a bungie halo game that doesn't have a super cod cloned feel to the game play, comes as a finished game, and doesn't have wallet raping... Then I will kiss 343s ass but lets get real here guys... THAT WONT HAPPEN LOL! RIP HALO! 2001- to whenever the fuck 343 started fucking shit up big time... Which is pretty much right when halo 4 launched and we got to see how crappy they truly are.
@Kimi Timoskainen Yeah, and that kind of expresses what's happened with 343i. I mean, besides being run by corporate ghouls. Remember what happened when Halo was top of the heap? Everyone tried to ape Halo. By the time 343i was put in charge, Halo was still up there, but it was no longer the undisputed lord of online multiplayer. And that meant corporate pulling on the leash and telling the devs what the game had to be more 'like'. i.e. make it like Call of Duty, make it like Fortnight, chase the trend. If someone had come to the execs and laid out the original Halo Design document, all the little details and said 'THIS! is why the multiplayer was good!' The answer would be something like 'yeah, that looks complicated and I don't understand, and share holders, safer to just put in some more novelty hats, those sell well! Oh, and a I big tournament promotional event!'
@Kimi Timoskainen It's not the pizza skin that's the problem. It's who delivered it. If that pizza skin was delivered by the Bungie of old, it would have been hilarious and awesome. Because Bungie earned the right to do silly things like that. 343 has not earned that right. And they never will. That's what the real problem is.
I like how the Bungie guys are hyper critical of themselves. It makes them squeeze every last ounce of creativity and fun out of themselves, they are always pushing for perfection. Meanwhile 343 are patting themselves on the back like "yep we're the best, no room for improvement." 343 just doesnt seem to get it.
And now, 343 finally got it. Halo infinite's story almost perfectly parallels 343's own story. Just like master chief failed to save humanity from the banished, 343 failed to keep Halo's popularity. Halo infinite shows how 343 took their failures to heart and learnt for the future. These failures are never gonna go away, just like how all the people who died in the war are never gonna come back, but both chief and 343 have to move forward to the future and try to turn the ship around.
@@davidn4956 so You Saying That *Every* Weapon In Bungies Halo Is Powerless? Remember When In Halo If You Have A Normal Assault Rifle In Bungies Multiplayer (Except Reach) It Can Kill A Guy In *Titanium* Armor Note *TITANIUM* ARMOR The Ingame Mutiplayer Spartans Wear Titanium Armor In The Lore And Every Weapon In Halo And Kill A Man In Titanium Armor Fact. Yes In Halo 3 I Personally Didn't Like That Every Weapon Is A Projectile And I Think That's What You're Referring To By "Floaty"
Bungie is like: "How do we make all these aliens feel believable and intimidating?" 343: "my aliens can teleport, and they're way cooler than the covenant"
@@_IcyCube_ and Bungie is just a shell of its former self, after reach a large portion of veteran staff left, or stayed just long enough to be bought byActivision. They're Bungie in name only these days.
Dude, i almost cried in some of the final bungie's scenes when they talk about the detail and trying harder and harder to make the game the best possible, you can feel the dedication when a guy says: "i see the cinematics over and over and im asking myself, does this have something that keep the player watching instead of just skip it?", That's the old game industry, pure dedication to make a beautiful experience, now ist just the basic to sell a game. I miss the real game industry.
@@JS-xv3dm I was replying got a subcommenter not OP. Don't exactly remeber what was typed but it was racist and unnecessary for a goddamn Halo video. It was toward DaMonsta he deleted his comment.
@@zachrobertson684 I'm guessing it was something revolving around jewish stock holders having an overwhelming influence on the design choices and monetization practices of the medium, resulting in a rather noticeable downward trend over the years on the industry?
Modern high budget games in a nutshell. Not saying older devs were perfect in any way, but there has been an obvious shift from passion, dedication and delivering something unique, fun into shiny plastic graphics, that looks flashy in trailers, looks over gameplay, sticking with formulas known to sell well, games without any depth. A sad, bitter shift indeed.
They could’ve just increased movement speed by 1 and avoided the whole problem. Armor abilities made sense in Reach since those Spartans were weaker in canon, but including it in a game where you play as a Spartan with the latest armor, it doesn’t make any fucking sense. The climb mechanic was a shit decision as well.
@@beefs0ck911 I want you to explain how them making it easier to traverse your environment in satisfying and meaningful ways is a bad mechanic? there's an unbelievable amount of times in Halo 3 where I just wished that I could grab and scramble up a ledge or it felt like Chief should be able to sprint. Like after chief kills guilty spark and has to leave quickly, running across that bridge, chief SPRINTS in the cutscene. the only thing I could think was, "a super soldier, with cybernetic super armor, just now learned how to sprint after 3 games?" I mean it's strange that it took so long to add climb and sprint when they both felt like they belonged since the beginning. Built in boosters, better movement and sprinting is the best changes to Halo ever. 343 did plenty of horrible things to Halo but fixing the overly heavy and slow chief from 3 is not one of them.
@@2lycos yes the argument of "HES A SUPER SOLDIER HE CAN SPRINT!!" lmao, so we need to have realism? Where is the realism in a thruster system that can lift an insane super soldier plus a suit of armor that weighs half a ton? The game doesn't have a fuel gauge and it seems like you have infinite thrust, is that scientifically explained in the game? Not really. Not to mention the fact that guess what, if clamber was added in halo 3 all the ledges you weren't able to get on now would just be raised so you couldn't even clamber to get on. Map design buddy.
10:30 this is probably one of if not THE biggest reason that bungie’s halo was more fun. It’s like a group of casual gamers got together and decided to make a game. Halo was something everyone could enjoy.
Just finished Halo 4 for the first time. I've read 3 Books and played the games, excluding 4 and onward, when I was a lot younger. I wish I hadn't played Halo 4. Especially towards the end, MC didn't feel like MC anymore.
I never thought there was anything wrong with fleshing out his character because the lore had already established his humanity and you can still be an avatar and not generic action hero. They just could’ve gone about it better the actual relationship with cortana was good but the didact and his interactions with blue team were poorly done.
“If you somehow believe that what you’re doing is the greatest thing ever all the time, it’s absolutely not gonna be the greatest thing ever.” I’m putting that up on a wall, that is wisdom in its purest form.
Sounds like Neil druckman imo. Regardless of what you think of the last of us 2. He’s really cocky now any thinks everything he touches is incredible. Go back and watch the god of war documentary and Cory Barlog is constantly filled with doubt and feels like everyone will hate his game.
Nutterbutterman the best developers see the faults in themselves and their games and work as hard as they can to minimize/fix them. If you think you’re hot stuff, you’re not going to see where you’re going wrong.
💯 self criticism is key at perfercting one's work, it needs to be exactly as you want it to be, if you think you're already perfect or doing something perfect or absolutely great all the time then you're actually never gonna make this thing great. It's like saying the battle is already won before it started, this kind of overconfidence is a plague to any type of work or action in life.
@@kaseycombs6968 Exactly, they know themselves and their work and how it all works out, they know exaclty what they absolutely need to improve otherwise it's not gonna have the effect they want it to have and be
My favorite bit from this has to be watching the Bungie team play testing halo together and just going crazy, and then we pan over to 343 who are testing out opening loot boxes together.
Greed. Makes me so fucking sad. Halo could STILL be amazing.... I wish someone had the money and proper individuals to take back the Halo franchise, and keep the legacy that Bungie created moving.....
@@mastershangchi3410 well for me theyre definitely not as good as the first 3 and reach, but if you dont take them seriously theyre still pretty fun. what you said reminds me of how i feel about mass effect andromeda though, the existence of that story feels like the whole mass effect universe is lesser for it, despite it adding a whole new galaxy.
Broke my heart seeing Bungie start talking about the couch experience towards the latter half of the video, everything is so artificially competitive now adays and no one focuses on that unique approach to games before where we were all a bunch of dudes sitting on the couch and yelling our asses off when we lost/won. Something modern multiplayer gaming have lost touch of over the years.
It's honestly hard to disagree with you. I can still have fun with some Call of Duty with friends and family. But, yeah multiplayer games feel a bit different today.
Waking up on Saturday with no voice left because of how much screaming/laughing you did playing H3 on a Friday night will always be one of my fondest memories.
The only multiplayer game to actually kinda of create that feeling over online was modern warfare 2. You join a lobby, and boom you got 30 different people all simultaneously shit talking each other and having a good old time.
Indeed, I have so many fond memories of Halo multiplayer split screen with my brother on Xbox. Nowadays, a lot of online multiplayer gaming has devolved into a lot of people just watching wealthy streamers screaming their asses off.
I love how you can see Bungie actually playing the game whereas 343 is just showing off cinematic cutscenes. Really shows how genuine these people were with making the game fun
@@generaljeanmoreau6853 it might have been the best story in concept. ,But the it wasn't executed well at all. Covenant war was over and the banished should've appeared here as the new threat instead of a nonthreatening remnant. I like the return of the Forerunners and the Cortana crisis to fight for but it wasn't captivating like Halo 2 and 3 were. It was something other than halo and was off-putting I thought.
@@garretttekampe9564 halo 4 probably has the best story and a great end for master chief especially that last cutscenes and him and cortana departing halo 5 had good conceot but its a damn mess
6:44 I watched the Halo Infinite setember 2022 dev update. When that guy told Halo was very competitive, it was in it's DNA since the first Halo, I could only think about this part from this video. It's like nothing changed.
True. Games used to be made by nerds with a deep passion. Then big business saw how profitable it was and moved in, shifting game creation from something made by passion to something made purely for the cash. games are soulless now. Look at old studios, they were like nerd caves. When the devs interacted with their communities it wasn't a copy/pasted reply or seem like it was coming from a bot. Now its all corporate.
I love how 343i always talked about how competitive their game would be, yet the competitive community hates it. Whereas Bungie always emphasized fun, but still managed to satisfy BOTH the causal and competitive communities.
Game devs really need to study being DnD DMs, crafting encounters is super fucking important in games and if you don't know how to push your players then you're just not a good DM.
Lord only knows, I get the impression that they thought they could get more players by "appealing to a wider audience" probably by focus group testing a bunch of 12 year olds not realising that they already had a winning formula that was about as popular as it was going to get.
@@jimmythecrow They don't care about playberbase, only about customers. That's true of every company and will always be, they meet the requirements for the best foreseeable (short-term) profit. If the majority of customer is willing to buy anything and even defend it, forget everything and buy again, then companies follow suit and produce accordingly. Short term gain, no long term consequences.
The composer who talked about sitting alone, running into that moment of self-doubt before it all finally clicks and you figure it out... That convinced me he wrote the music from the heart, even if I never heard it before.
Lol, love the editing 3:09 - 343 shows off great graphics for the promethean shit... 3:23 - Bungie talks about how graphics are worthless if its not fun to play (which defines prometheans perfectly)
Grunts are way better enemies than the hometheans. They are funny cannon fodder but if you're not careful they might surprise you with a frg round to the face or a nade here and there. The robot alien things suck though... Watchers and dogs are just annoying. The dog things are basically buggers without wings. NO ONE likes fighting the buggers. Glad they toned them down after halo 2 and 3/odst. It's a shame that 343 basically replaced them with those stupid dogs... The watchers are very annoying. Some times they just swarm you in mass. They can't die very easily. The throw nades back at you. And the bring the big ones back to life as well as put up gay little shields. A challenge I suppose but a frustration at the same time... The big beetle guys are the worst though. They teleport randomly which slows down the fight pace a whole lot. Often you have to keep fucking looking for them to fight them. It's also a silly enemy when you think about it. Why doesn't one just teleport behind chief and simply stab him in the heart? It's silly and doesn't make a fun enemy. And finally the biggest problem I have with them is what they are. They are these emotionless robot alien trash can discount decepticon things... When I fight demons in doom I feel as though I'm fucking up monsters. When I fight terrorists in army of 2 I feel like I'm killing my fellow man. When I fight aliens in star craft I feel like I'm killing a race of intelligent life forms from another world that's similar to my own. When I fight the homoetheans I feel like I might as well be kicking a tin can. The fun and interest isn't nearly as high...
@cesarst3720 I have not even heard a good opinion from anyone with that band kid pfp and today is no exception, 343 killed Halo and they deserve all the shit they get and more
It's a small thing really, but I can't help but notice how 343 work in this huge slick studio that looks really incredible while Bungie are toiling away in what can be politely described as a fairly modest office. It's almost like a metaphor for the games - the newer set is shiny and superficial, while the others don't look quite as nice, but have so much more depth, focus and character.
Marma you realize bungie had been gutted, taken out back and old yeller’d by that point do you? Once Joseph Staten got scrapped after he pitched his idea for D1’s story (apparently Activision thought it’s too complicated for a shoot em’ up), that was all she wrote.
he's talking about how the people who worked on halo 1,2,3 are pretty much not the people who worked on destiny. When people say bungie sucks now because of destiny while thinking the devs at bungie are the same people who were at the company in 2007 is like saying the lakers suck now and blaming it on kobe bryant even though he doesnt play anymore.
@@GillisonsIsland An entirely different team worked on Reach to, you know that right? Hence why it was also a pile of shit. At least we have 343 to save Halo from the destruction Bungie brought upon it from a $60 ODST expansion pack, to the disaster that was Reach.
+Nighterlev The Bungie dev team that worked on Reach still had most of the leads that worked on previous Halo games like Halo 3 and even Halo 2. It was after Reach that Bungie lost most of these people, and only a handful of original Halo devs worked on the Destiny games. THAT was an entirely different team. Also, how was Reach a disaster again? It managed to sell more copies than Halo 3 (generating $200 million in its first day), it was very highly rated (91/100 on Metacritic), maintained a decently sized population for a pretty long period of time (after a year it had a 900,000 peak population) and is still played to this day (with a population between 3k and 6k concurrent players). If you consider Reach to be a disaster then I wonder what you must think of 343s Halo games which fared poorly in all of thee categories. Let's talk actual numbers: Roughly a year after release, Halo 3 had a 1.1 million peak population day, Reach had a 900,000 peak population day after the same amount of time while Halo 4 clocks in at 20,000 peak for it's annual checkup and even if Halo 4 had a larger population at launch compared to Reach it managed to fall to below that of Reach in only six months, Halo 4 lasted a whole two entire months in the Top 3 of the Xbox Live activity chart, Halo 3 didn't fall out of the Top 3 until Halo Reach released, 3 years after it's release and Halo Reach didn't fall out of the Top 3 until 343's title update for the game after they took over the game, 12 months after release. Also, Halo 5s beta was only played by around a million players, with 2.5 hours of playtime per player and a total game time of 2.5 million hours compared to Reach's 2.7 million players, 5.9 hours per player and 16 million hours total game time.
@@TheMasterMind144 The amount of misinformation in your comment is horrendous... No, the Bungie dev team that worked on Reach had none of the leads from the original Halo titles. Hell, the original leads for Halo 1, 2, and 3 were no where to be seen for Reach. You do realize a far lesser amount of the OG Bungie dev team worked on Destiny, then the OG Bungie dev team worked on Halo 4, right? Reach by far sold FAR less copies then Halo 3, easily less then 4-5 million less (you forget Halo 3 ended up selling around 14.7 million copies from the last sales report. Reach only got up to 9.7). Halo 4 even sold more with around 9.8-9.9 million copies sold. Reach by far didn't hold a decent sized population at all, the entire game died after a year and became a ghost town by the time Halo 4 released. No body was even playing it until it became backwards compatible for the Xbox One because a 1080p 60fps enhancement of Reach hasn't happened yet (if ever). 343's Halo games are even rated higher then Reach LOL WHAT. Halo 4 easily has the best Halo campaign by far to date, with Halo 5's multiplayer easily being the most vast selection of game types, forge maps, and more. Halo 5's beta was also plagued by the horrible MCC net code at the time, not only that but not many people really bought MCC either compared to the likes of Crackdown. That pretty much self explains it-self as to why the Reach beta ended up having more players at all.
The team that worked on Reach was 100% different then the team that worked on Halo 3..Hence why Reach was so shit. EDIT: Reach is still an awful game, this is a edit a year after I made this comment. Reach is quite literally the worst Halo title ever made in existance, in both campaign and multiplayer. No doubt about it, 343i revived Halo with Halo 4 and 5.
@@joness7148 Bloom, weak vehicles, armor lock, and maps. Forge was cool but they relied on grey and boring forge maps done by the community for multiplayer. And all of the other multiplayer and firefight maps were ripped out of the campaign, so they weren't very unique to play on.
nothing will ever be like the summer after my first year of university. constant halo coop missions during the day and lan matches in the evenings before going out and getting hammered.
You really tell how passionate Bungie was with their games. They're nerds that love video games. 343 is just a bunch of soulless tech bros fulfilling a quota.
@@generaljeanmoreau6853 "Nostalgia is not good because it meddles with your feelings", now that's a first. It's not open heart surgery dude, it's a game. Nostalgia's fine.
@@as7river I meant that when people try to argue with facts they use nostalgia like "I have so many memories on halo 3 that's why its the best halo" Something like that
Halo Reach is the worst Halo game to date, no doubt about it. More content? My ass LOL. It's story was over-all the worst as well, bottom of the barrel over-all. Halo 4 had way more content to play and see then Reach did at all. Hell, Halo 4's forge alone was a slight improvement of Reach's, and it's custom game options were widely the same (besides some problems with the Infection game type that is) The only problem with Halo 4 was that it had to many similarities to Reach, causing it to over-all die. It's gameplay though was essentially Halo 2's when you get rid of all the loadouts, AA's and such. Halo 4 also had a wayy better story then any of the Halo games to date. Halo 5 improved upon Halo 4 in terms of the content, it just took 343 much longer to release all of the content over a year due to the fact that they essentially had to recreate the story from scratch a year upon release due to Microsoft's own doings, which essentially you got the story you have today. Nothing to do with 343 at all.
+Dan Beucler I mean it's not a shit post. Those are just the facts. Only way to end the bandwagon is fight against it. Insignificant? Sounds like the people who hate on 343i.
343 completely altered their art style, music, and gameplay for Halo infinite, and then proceeded to responsibly delay the game to address problems players had with it. 343 definitely cares for the Halo community.
@@juicedbeetlejuice4572 That's after making two abysmal games in Halo 4 and 5. Not to mention the disaster that was the Master Chief Collection. Honestly it would be great to have 343 release a good Halo game but at this point they've probably had the IP for as long as Bungie did and yet have produced nothing but disappointments that have only detracted from the franchise. Its going to take them a while to earn fan trust and respect again.
@@juicedbeetlejuice4572 lmfao this guy clearly works for Microsoft. The reason they delayed Infinite is bc 343 finally realized that their lazy derivative vision of Halo doesn’t mesh with the fans’ desires… It doesnt mean they can fix it, even if they wanted to; they don’t even know what was rotten let alone how to fix it. They’re just paying lip service to old fans. Infinite is going to be some zoomer-targeted liveservice f2p battle royale game. The multiplayer will be free… You think people will spend $60 on the single player? Lol neither does 343…. Expect loot boxes. Don’t expect Halo.
I love how it shows 343 talking about how competitive the atmosphere of the multiplayer is and then it cuts to bungie talking about how the multiplayer is meant to be played with your friends and family and have fun and laugh together
I don't think companies should design games to be competitive, just like smash bros if you make a fun game made to play and laugh with friends then the competitive scene will develop on it's own.
I think the main difference is that Halo wasn't just bungie's game, it WAS bungie. Nobody needed to define what Halo was, because it was the people who worked there (at least the people in charge of creative decisions anyways). When it moved to 343, even though a lot of bungie staff moved over, 343 still had the pressure of "making another Halo game," and people had to sit down with the new team structure and actually define what a Halo game was, and not only could they not create anything new, they were also just trying to recreate something that had already been done while battling the pressure to "innovate" from Microsoft IE: make more money and appeal to more players. You can hear this REPEATEDLY in these interviews. Bungie almost never said "we wanted to make it like Halo" they only ever said "we wanted to make it good," while 343 constantly just says "we wanted to recreate that Halo experience"
G Truesdale Activsion destroyed idea and story of how original Destiny was meant to be and Microsoft destroyed Halo with these out of touch developers. nothing new here, giant publishers stomping on and destroying real passionate developers until theres nothing left but standard employees with zero passion or chemistry. thats why every game nowadays feels uninspired, soulless, stale, etc...
Bungie: We’re just a small, wholesome company that just wants to make a great game. 343: Here’s a bunch of bullshit and fancy words so you think what we’re doing is groundbreaking but what we’re really doing is choosing how characters enter the scene and some new stuff that no one wanted or asked for. Also *PIIIIIZZZAAAAAAAA*
Bungie was just vibing dudes making a cool game, and 343 went nuclear on the reason behind the game rather than the effort it takes to actually make the damn thing
Now I know who fucked up Halo, the director said he wanted "an emotional halo" jeez, they turned an epic story into a Mexican novela but even Mexican novelas have a good story.
@@Oskar_464 im struggling to fully realise why 4 is hated so much, the Campaign was pretty good, the graphics were great for 2012 too, the only thing I could think of is the change in art style
Yeh, same. The only Halo games I haven't played are Halo 2 and 5 (I also never properly played through ODST), but still, they were a big part of my childhood and I used to play deathmatch in CE a lot with my brother.
No joke i always get teary when thinking back to the time were i sit in my room playing halo 2 or 3 till morning on the weekends and having a blast in custom playlists with friends. Nowadays i never had an experience like that ever again. Im srsly glad i had these games when i grew up the 2000-2010 where the pinnacle of gaming and i glad i fully experienced it.
@@nighthawk244 Yeah, the enjoyment i've seen on the faces of those people who played those games together back then made me really happy. I'm a 2006 world joiner so the only sort of excitement i've had in gaming that could compare to those guys would probably be my time playing rainbow six siege with some friends back in 2017 as well as when I used to play assassin's creed unity co-op (Although there weren't that many people to play with).
Halo Reach is the worst Halo game to date, no doubt about it. More content? My ass LOL. It's story was over-all the worst as well, bottom of the barrel over-all. Halo 4 had way more content to play and see then Reach did at all. Hell, Halo 4's forge alone was a slight improvement of Reach's, and it's custom game options were widely the same (besides some problems with the Infection game type that is) The only problem with Halo 4 was that it had to many similarities to Reach, causing it to over-all die. It's gameplay though was essentially Halo 2's when you get rid of all the loadouts, AA's and such. Halo 4 also had a wayy better story then any of the Halo games to date. Halo 5 improved upon Halo 4 in terms of the content, it just took 343 much longer to release all of the content over a year due to the fact that they essentially had to recreate the story from scratch a year upon release due to Microsoft's own doings, which essentially you got the story you have today. Nothing to do with 343 at all.
If i'm not mistaken, it sounds like as time evolved, the foundation for game design went from "What makes a game fun" to "what makes a game look good" . I think the reason why the OG halo series created by bungie was so successful was simply because they made the blueprint *fun* first *everything else* second.
The sad thing is, the ideology of "what makes a game look good" is still a big selling point to a lot of gamers nowadays. Sure we're starting to move away from it but if you'd ask most casual gamers and even some hardcore gamers which game they'd play more, the game that looks good or the game that plays good, they'd choose the former.
John Smith this is due to innovation in technology. Back then when people would play at probably 10 FPS with 144p 😂there was no nice visuals. This made the game companies try much harder on great game mechanics.
@@gibble1176 This is so completely obvious that I don't even know why you commented this fact in the first place. What I'm getting at is, you don't JUST play a game for the visuals. If that was the case, then it could be just a movie and it won't be any different. The gameplay and story matters for a video game to succeed. Yet, people still get sold just for visuals alone. And that's why companies focus on the graphics and initial trailers and marketing FIRST then the gameplay afterwards (Look at Anthem for example)
Because it’s never a logical way for the series to attract new players, it always has to be “we made it play like something else entirely” and it always ends up selling worse.
@GrapeSkoda woah woah woah, pokemon in its fundamental gameplay has gotten absurd over the years, but in an evolving way. Yes the core games are similar but the competitive scene is retardedly complex and changing
Yep. RIP Borderlands, the 3rd was made for impatient immature kids so now every enemy shits out legendries, it's unplayable, completely ruined what the series was about.
Halo 3 STILL holds up. It still plays great, it still looks great and the score is still top notch. A legendary game, especially for those of us who were there on our 360's shouting at each other. It was my, and many other's first ever experience of proper online gaming. Completing the campaign on legendary splitscreen with my friend is a lasting memory for me. 343 just doesn't get it.
Pretty much, Halo 3 was probably one of the best and most feature complete games I have ever played. I can't think of many other games where putting "Complete multiplayer experience" on the multiplayer disk wouldn't sound like hubris but halo 3's multiplayer definitely earned that. Sadly 343 fucked it up with MCC by having us play it through their sloppy slow disorganised menu system and shit matchmaking system. It's just not the authentic complete Halo 3 experience that it should have been purely because of 343's incompetence.
You can tell they really cared too. "If you think that what you're making is the greatest thing ever all the time, then it's not gonna be the greatest thing ever." If only most devs still had that attitude, not even just Halo 3. Bungie were the realist niggas around.
Bungie: "here's this tiny, almost unnoticable animation that adds more character than a flashy eyesore explosion will ever have." 343: "Here's this flashy eyesore explosion. Aren't we just the greatest?"
I've been saying this exact thing for years. I swear i never feel the need to play 4,5 or halo wars 2 because 1 through reach all did what they needed to do. The only thing I could possibly say 343 did right was the artsyle in halo wars 2 because it popped like CE did.
Stopped? Maybe. I don't know, I'd have loved more spin-offs and content, but I'd have preferred it without the Master Chief. He should have retired in his cryo pod for the rest of the series with Cortana keeping him company. Would have been a bit depressing, but he doesn't know how to live a normal life and Cortana was always destined for rampancy. Unless someone like 343 pulls a fucking deus ex machina and cures her rampancy while making her fucking evil for no reason at all except to piss off fans and stir up a shitty story *no one liked.* ODST is a great example of how the series could have continued. As is Reach. New characters revisiting scenarios we had already seen or heard about, expanding on the world. Maybe some story content post-Covenant, but nothing quite to the scale of Halo's past with galactic genocide.
@Dug Dug I just don't believe anyone but Bungie can really do his character justice. He's a huge part of Halo like Johnson and Cortana. All three should have been retired so that companies like 343 couldn't drag them through the mud. Luckily for us Johnson's dead.
@Dug Dug I... really don't see why you'd think that given 343's history and the fact that we've only seen a rather pitiful scrap of Infinite's story (complete with monologuing). But I won't argue. If you wanna be hyped for the game, that's your right. I try to see the bright side of any Halo game, even 4 and 5, the former of which I did not particularly enjoy and the latter... I don't want to talk about 5.
Practically every other sentence from a Bungie dev was talking about how important it was for them to put fun before other design considerations. I don't think the 343 team even used the word "fun" once in this video.
Those Bungie devs knew they were sitting on a good game so by acting self-critical they are being humble winners. The 343 devs know they're sitting on a pile of trash and they're self-consciously trying to cover it up. And in a way it's not even their fault, at least not most of them. They're simply the wrong people for the job. I still remember some manager type early on bragging about hiring people who don't like Halo. Talk about a red flag. Who knows what type of game they would rather make, maybe Call of Duty, maybe Titanfall, maybe not even a shooter. But everything they touch turns into not-Halo. Then when the cameras start rolling they have to praise Halo again and it gets awkward. They're that pet that looks regretful about scratching the sofa but as soon as you leave the room he does it again. They can't help themselves but sabotage everything that could lead to their game actually feeling like Halo because they have never appreciated Halo and never will. Let them create their own game. Halo is nothing but a golden cage to them.
@@forasago That manager was Frank O'Conner. Bungie's former community manager turned 343 employee. He did admit that they had people who never liked Halo. He also played a part of butchering this franchise too.
You're an excellent storyteller. You juxtapose the humble Bungie devs trying their hardest to make a fun game with the hubris of the 343 team who constantly huff their own farts and can't get enough of themselves
While I broadly agree . . . This does need a sanity check. You're not wrong, but I think it's possible to go too far and lose perspective of the diagnosis. We're comparing promotional material, released by marketing specialists trying to hype and sell an upcoming game, to a development documentary packaged as extra content with old school collectors editions, that would mostly only be seen by fans of the game who had already bought their collector's edition copy. The videos were made for completely different purposes. Of course the 343 devs are hyping it up. They were probably told to, specifically, or they were asked leading questions like 'what are especially proud of in the game'. Back in the day, we didn't have youtube, we barely had G4, the hype for Halo 2 was carried in magazine Articles. I still have some of those, and Bungie ABSOLUTELY claimed that game was the second coming of Christ in interviews. "Like Halo but wrapped in bacon and on fire!" Was something that Bungie devs unironically said about Halo 2 back in the day. XD
I feel like Bungie was a close knit group of people who weren’t afraid to tell each other when something sucks, versus 343, who are probably too scared to contradict each other, and instead just nod and clap their hands to whatever idea their higher-ups come up with cause telling someone the work they did isn’t good is just “too toxic of a work environment”
Old Bungie & Old Infinity Ward! We should bring them back to the industry! Lol they're probably all old but still could make a better game then these new publishing groups..
MY LE NOSTALGIA. DEVELOPERS MADE THESE TRIPLE A TITLES AS A CHARITY TO THE FANS, IT WAS NEVER ABOUT THE MONEY, NOW ITS ONLY ABOUT DA MONEY. Gimme a break. There are plenty of triple A titles with fantatsic developer support and a slew of indie games as well. Just because Cod and Shattlefield are getting progressively greedier doesn't mean the whole industry is.
1:38 has she even PLAYED halo 2? the entire story plays on the fact that cheif is a husk and arbiter is driven by faith and honor and they, as polar opposites, have to work together
@@anson2389 i feel like nop... the good thing with how masterchief act... is he's never annoying or cringe... when he talk... he say something badass and trying to make him humain break everything
Master chief had also had multiple games to grow as a character, that blank husk worked perfectly for inserting us into the game/universe in CE but he is a very different character by the end of Halo 3. 343 has some story writting issues without question but I'm personally okay with the direction they are taking cheif as a whole.
And that's the glory of it, imagine being a marine in your youth making you a mentally damaged, angry, quiet person who realizes years later you are still human and that's worth trying to be. That's what's great about Halo 4. It's clearly a representation of what real veterans go through and does so in an emotional way for those who played since the beginning
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Bungie: how can we make this level fun to play and make it so that it never gets repetitive? 343: how can we make this look pretty and get boring after a few play throughs?
Retroflection yet bungie made halo reach, adding in what they thought would be cool, and ruined their entire franchise in one fell swoop. It's all well and good blaming 343 for everything, but pay some attention and you'll see that the beginning of the end was with reach. Sprint, armor abilities, weapon bloom, no real rank system, shitty bland forge made maps. NO. FUCK bungie. They ruined halo forever. And now they're making one of the worst franchises of our modern day. Destiny. Garbage company.
Played Halo 3 as a tween on the special Green and Gold 360. This hurts me in more ways you can imagine. "Don't her her go.......don't you EVER let her go..."
The entire Halo franchise is super ultra overrated since the beginning with CE in 2001. Idk the difference. All you do is shooting the same alien over and over and over again. The only new thing it brought is driving cars and shield.
@@Therizinosaurus The entire concept of UA-cam comments is super ultra overrated since the beginning of UA-cam in 2005. Idk the difference.All you do is keep writing the same words and alphabets over and over again.The only new thing it brought was bots and people bringing in unwanted negativity
Bungie's chemistry really seems like lightning in a bottle, they're so nonchalant about the entire process that they take it in stride when their ideas get shot down, which ultimately leads to a more refined game where only the very best aspects of development made it in. At 343, you get the impression that everyone takes themselves seriously, that they think they're prodigious for even having gotten their job, and because of that they'll spend years polishing a bad idea because no one was willing to take the axe to it
I mean just look at what they did. For Halo 4 they HAD to change the art direction for the covenant, they HAD to make a new enemy that wasnt the flood. Halo HAD the be THEIRS, and Halo had to be better than Bungie's Halo. They have their heads shoved so far up their ego filled asses and it shows with how terrible 4 (and the other one we dont talk about) was. They care about being right, not doing right by the material, and the customer.
According to some things I've heard from Bungie, they frequently butted heads with Microsoft. When they were first acquired, their new owners tried moving them into one of their standard, boring offices but Bungie refused, and when they eventually did move in, they just tore the walls out and made it an open space. They don't do business casual, they had extremely fun company wide events like the Pentathlon (bring it back) and lots of fun little bits of culture about them. Hell, just take a look at their Happy Halodays post card and you'll see the personality and celebration of their work oozing out of it. Halo can't work without Bungie. You need that Chemistry. And it's a shame 343 is made by people who absolutely loath Halo to the bitter end.
@@MultiMarvelGeek I want to hear what you have to say about them
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Bungie are a bunch of money-hungry whores! So suck it ever play Destiny? Bungie lost the rights to Halo for good reason. I hope they lose their company soon as well.
Who doesn't like spending more money to customise your game? Imagine if you had everything already unlocked, then none of the skins would be interesting but instead just reflect on your personality instead. AND IDGAF ABOUT YOUR PERSONALITY, MATE!
The funniest part about this is that they forgot about what made Master Chief a great character. Steve Downes said it best he's a Clint Eastwood type guy who doesn't talk much but when he does we remember his one liners. It's ridiculous that the Chief needs to be emotional about everything it doesn't fit his character to doubt his role as a soldier I think that was stupid since it never was about him being super deep he's a cold blooded hero and that's whats cool about him.
I think it allows the player to experience their own genuine emotions based on the events in the game, instead of being led by the character, because the whole point of the game is that YOU are the character
@@RVGENomini Bungie wanted to go for that but I felt like it made him seem more like a tough grizzled veteran. I don't really feel like I'm him and don't want it to be like that.
@@spideyseth chief showing no emotion allows you to provide it for yourself, placing you into the character. that's on you if you didn't do that. if chief was cracking jokes and hyperemotional you'd be stuck following along because the emotion is given to you instead of by you
its as if they didnt realize that part of chiefs charm is how almost comically badass he is. and all the marines who are overly excited about shooting dead guys and doing a Mcflip in a warthog. the scaredy marines in halo 1, 2 and 3 were mere comedic value but 343 would make chief one of them
Jameson Doane damn actually i think my video was loaded strangely the last time i watched it, at 5:48 they were talking about the trip mine for me, but now it's the "make it blops 3" scene
Good Devs: "I dont know if this is good enough, but this is my best" Other Devs: "It's Epic, revolutionary, and will change the way you play games forever"
Real gamers don't give two shits what we look like so long as the game is fun. I'm playing kirbys super star for fucks sake lol. You don't exactly have character customization and you don't look like a knight in shining armor but who cares??? It's fun! That's all that matters.
Hey guys we need more items in the game, what the easiest, most cheap way to sell them? Loot boxes. Ok but we still need more shit, ok just copy png of pizza and put it on BR. Excellent idea! Who needs custom skin creators anyway! Who needs forge on month 1 of release not already installed on the disc that's already over 60 gigabytes! Pshh custom map file share? What's that? Mini games? Let's reuse forge made maps because making polished developer made maps is too much work. Also let's make every armour, every gun, every vehicle as uninteresting as possible! Reskins and recycling is what we do best!
"Master Chief is a human, not a robot" He is BARELY human. The sheer amount of biological and technological augmentations that went in to making him have significantly altered his emotional and logical reasoning. In the books it was pretty much spelled out that he was programed mentally by his military training and then the slew of hormones and tech they put in him set that training in stone. His frickin nervous system is connected to his suit and an AI. He has slightly more empathy than Robocop. No Nicki, he is not "just a human".
Not only that but Chief also had good friends, a dry sense of humor and was sarcastic sometimes, got mad, etc. Even though he had all of that augmentation done to him, he was still human. He was sutble when showing his emotions (he's military, for Odin's sake, I expect him to have a handle on his emotional state). Honestly, he kinda reminded me of sone of my family and family friends that served in the military. Calm, reserved, etc.
It would be acceptable to start showing his human side from Halo 4 onwards; new trilogy and all. Shame they took away the catalyst for it (Cortana's death) and threw everything under the rug.
Wow Crowbcat, 1.2m views? That’s a lot of my music getting heard.
Thanks.
Martin O'Donnell Thank you so much for such an amazing soundtrack.
Is this the real Martin? Please tell me you are and not a fake.
Well, if you are, can I please get your opinion on Halo 5? Just your general opinion no need to go into real detail, but your honest opinion on what went wrong.
Thank you for the heart and passion.
You went above and beyond instead of making a generic action movie soundtrack, you made music that touched the soul.
Monks chanting, who would of thought?
You sir are incredible.
Martin O'Donnell Oh my God, it’s Marty! You’ve created the music of my childhood. Me and the rest of the subscribers of r/halocirclejerk would like to thank you. Also, did you work on the Halo: Infinite music? The trailer’s music sounds a lot like Halo 3’s.
6:55 There's something about seeing the "producers" gleam with joy over loot boxes that makes me sick to my stomach...
You just know what they're thinking.
"We're gonna be so fucking rich."
Fucking assholes & their greed
I smell pennies syndrome maybe?
All in denial lol that crippled halo 5
Loot boxes... no, no they are "Surprise Mechanics" Cmonnnn man!!!
For some reason I came back to watch this video today. Still seems relevant I guess.
HOPE YOURE DOING WELL MARTY!!!
Miss the Paul Russel interviews, I loved those and they were absolutely fascinating to listen too. I wish there was a way to watch them again :(
No way! Did you hear the news regarding Bonnie Ross?
Good news 343 founders resigned
@@thesamejackalsniperthatkil117 she resigned and said she want care her family
Bungie was like an artist with a canvas
343 was like a worker with a checklist
Greatest analogy ever
A worker is supposed to work though.
@@spaceduck2130 Put another way, it just means that Bungie was passionate about their work. 343 isn’t and it shows
@@minikuma I know, I was just pointing out the fact that 343 can't even do the bare minimum.
The sad part is both companies suck now. 343 never had the spirit of Halo, and Bungie was defiled by Activision.
the removal of split screen was when I fully understood that these people have no clue about halo at all.
the copying of cod with halo 4 is when I fully understood that these people have no clue about halo at all...
Then of course my views were only strengthened when they released a unfinished game known as MCC and a halo titles that lacked split screen known as H5. I wonder how shitty H6 is going to be? 10 bucks says they add something gay like wall running or take out something kool like team objective.
The moment the Halo 4 trailers started, I knew Halo is dead.
My bets are that they will go for a watered down overwatch approach for its multiplayer.And also lootboxes.
The Master Grief Collection
Or they make it battle royal
I truly despise them for removing couch co-op and downgrading the Spartan customization
"It needs to be fun before it is pretty"
-Bungie, pure words of wisdom that I feel many games fail to realize these days.
So true... Game play over graphics any day.
As do I Khaikage... As do I... Maybe then games wouldn't suck so much...
Check out the new cod wont work II? What a joke that game is lol.
l am must agree, everyone is always concerned with their fucking graphics cards and framerates, lighting, textures, so many modern gamers are a fucking joke.
わるよ歩み framerates are important for a cinematic and smooth experience. Imagine playing Call of Duty 4 at a whopping 4fps. It would be unplayable
i am not completely disregarding that they aren't important, no one would ever let a game pass for playing at 4 fps. I am saying so many modern gamers ONLY care about having optimal graphic settings, so much so that they don't even know how much fun they're actually having with games, just as long as it looks good. Games are supposed to be fun, but so many others are just caught up in how it looks.
You can tell the difference just in how they talk, with bungie being super chill and casual about it, using everyday words, and 343 being super corporate and using this complex words so the people watching think it's important and smart
MailIsLucktastic yea
I think It's the people making the video, scripting them to say what they think the audience wants. Big corporations tend to do this with big advertising departments. They make it so flashy and clean because they can, which loses some of the 'honest quality' behind it all.
Yeah. It's like 343's talk somehow feels robotic. Un-natural. It just makes me gloss over their crap and never listen to it. I personally felt some of the Bungie's feelings behind it. It's almost personal. Like there is drive, abit of passion in how they talk.
@RARAYAYA RAA Edgy.
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Dev's favourite words:
343: competitive
bungie: fun
I like Bungies Idea more
343's games aren't even good competitive games. They have the allure of being a competitive game by emulating sports programs but when it comes down to it the games are full of crazy bullet magnetism, randomness, bad movement, bad maps, and a ton of other shit that makes them bad competitive games.
@@MezMez
They don’t realize that it is nearly impossible to build a game centered around competitiveness. You need to have flawless mechanics and perfectly fair interactions. 99 percent of great games at the competitive level started out as casual experiences. The passion for those games is what creates the competitive market. Build a great game, the community will take care of the rest.
@@Rob-b2q8punreal tournament is a great example of that. The 3rd game is super casual but is taken very seriously now by the community, due to being so fun and fair
343 cant even do that
"This place needs to be fun before it is pretty." Current 343, please take this comment to heart.
Substance over style.
Adrian Perez... that guy still works at Bungie ya know? lol
Every AAA shooter dev nowadays needs to take note of this. Im finding a lot of maps in games that are designed by the art team.
they won't
ShadowBrony I think 343 focused on fun too much and they forgot the serious bits like the story. The multiplayer which was supposed to be fun, was competitive maps. And just like that one Bungie developer said, "if you think your game is fun, it's not." You have to really think about your game and what can go, what can stay, and what needs to be implemented to make it even better.
It’s crazy because watching the bungie interviews. They literally Left a Script on what to do with Halo....and 343 threw it all away smh.
Darryl Wait where is that?
Aamir 1 just listen to how Bungie is describing their game and what to focus on what not to focus on...then look at what 343’s main focus is.
Makes me sick.... fuck 343. Infinite better be damn good.
@@DevinMarkovichMetal it won't. It's gonna be a live service...
@Elena Monfils fuck
"this space needs to be fun before it's pretty" the antidote to the modern game industry
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Thats why Doom is my GOTY. Every aspect is designed around gameplay.
The first step in the right direction is Doom. The modern shooter that UNDERSTANDS that it's a video game and is therefore an incredibly fun video game, instead of a "gritty and realistic" piece of shit.
+Joel Coates please tell me when you say "gritty realistic peace of shit" you're not being serious
+The Macaroni Chronicles
No I'm 100% serious. Recently a lot of shooters, have been trying to make their games "realistic" and making them not fun in the process. Doom however prioritises fun over all else.
2001-2010 Bungie was honestly legendary, I'm so glad I got to experience that era growing up. Unfortunately, as soon as the money making potential of the gaming industry was realized the corporate bastards decided to milk it dry instead of producing genuine content. That's why all of the magic is lost today.
It’s really not honestly
Well, with infinite, it's safe to say, halo is back. I enjoyed infinites campaign. So yeah.
@Kimi Timoskainen no....thats not true. You don't understand. The campaign was really enjoyable. I loved it infact. Yeah the multiplayer doesn't have content. But it's still very fun. To me. I really enjoyed infinite.
@Kimi Timoskainen ehhhh....your right. Although I kinda ment the campaign, not the multiplayer. I did have fun with the multiplayer. But yeah, not many people playing. due to lack of content. I don't really play multiplayer often anyway. But. Its really all about the campaign for me, and for that. I think 343 did something pretty decent. Yeah no coop or forge yet. Which would have made it better. But it will come.
@Kimi Timoskainen yeah....its pretty upsetting, especially when the core game is so fun. At least they got the campaign right though.
"Needs to be fun before it's pretty", that line is reversed in games nowadays
Nintendo tho.
Level 100 Boss red dead redemption 2
Star Citizen says HI.
Yeah nintendo still does this, thats why I love them so much.
@@Welipe
Aye. Nintendo has quite a few flaws as a company, but by God do they make good games. I guess putting more effort into a game's mechanics and making it fun is better than new and improved visuals.
Bungie felt like a family that had a true passion for Halo but 343 feels like an empty shell.
I don't know why you're randomly talking about Bonnie Ross being sexist or whatever as that hardly has anything to do with what Giddy cypress is talking about but okay...
You're right though. Ex bungie was pretty good. Bungie now pretty much sucks. And 343 has always pretty much sucked lol.
Okay... Maybe that's not fair. They are okay now... But not great like halo 1,2,3, and Reach.
giddy cypress I was the 117th like 😏
Above your pay grade Bungie now is still better than 343i. That's sad.
Dragonderp69
Agreed. Destiny is better than Halo is nowadays.
Isiskos Aw yeah I love to grind with no real purpose but to get better weapons and experience shit dlc with a forgettable storyline and the only way to learn the lore being the grimoire cards.. that was my shit
"needs to be fun before it's pretty." rip bungie, you will be missed
:(
RetardoTheGreat not good ones lmao
That the perfect way to describe why most games suck. Because the communities is sold on graphics not gameplay.
Agreed gameplay > graphics.
I mean, you can't bs on gameplay on E3 unless ur no man's sky and then we can return the game. However everyone BSes on graphics and have random ppl reading from a script to distract you from the fact that no one is doing anything different since ps2
It still amazes me how Halo 2, a game that was rushed and put together by people who are burnt out but keep pushing, ended up being better than a whole trilogy made by a company with a bigger budget, more people and about a decades worth of time. I swear 343 had never played Halo until they get the rights to the game
It was different with Bungie. They had passion for what they were doing and it's the reason why all of their games are held in high regard.
New halo is the best one in terms of gameplay
@@abusivecomments9608 that can only go so far. What good is the gameplay when there's no context?
@@abusivecomments9608 feels good, still boring to play
It doesn't feel good, play destiny 1 even for an hour and you will see how awful halo infinite feels
One of the reasons I praise old Bungie is because they were literally just a bunch of nerds with a passion for making games.
Thank you BananaFist for being one of the few smart people that sees such a obvious thing. 343s business practices all pretty much scream "We just want your money and don't care about your game"
Seeing the 343 devs all self-congratulatory over seeing their bloody lootbox system is all that needs to be shown or said about how much they don't care about actually playing or enjoying games seriously
Bungie back then had talent and didn't seem to want to rape our wallets nearly as badly as 343 does. We would gladly give halo tons of money today if it was still... You know... GOOD?!?!?!?!!!! I have bought multiple copies of all the bungie halo titles. Can't say the same for 343s halo games. Haven't gotten any newer halo games since halo 4 lol. That one left a bad taste in my mouth.
The problem is that the games are pretty "meh" under 343. Maybe not big riggs or super man 64 bad but still.... They are pretty bad especially when it comes to price. Gaming was cheaper once upon a time and wages used to be better so to see micro transaction trash like halo 5 flood the market is really just faggot shit lol.
Don't forget guys... This is the company that sold us a 60 dollar drink coaster known as MCC. And then while failing to fix it to this very day... 343 came out to tell us that Halo 5 wouldn't suck like MCC lol. That's sad when you have to come out and tell us that your next game wont suck like your last game hahahaha.
Here's the real funny part... Halo 5 did suck and still sucks even after updates. Shit story, codlike gameplay, weak/lack of content... especially at launch, micro transactions, and broken modes/glitches within forge, theater, and fire fight.
The game really had a "we will fix it later with updates and patches" approach and they never really did fulfill that mind set with halo 5. The "free dlc" sounded nice but in reality it wasn't nice at all... The free DLC is just stuff that the game should have launched with.
Clearly the game wasn't ready. They shouldn't launch a unfinished game. Makes for a bad first impression and shows that they are greedy. Also... Games that get updated can get better yeah sure... But that hardly ever happens and 343 sure as shit never seems to be able to pull it off.
If they some how pull off a miracle and make halo 6 as good as a bungie halo game that doesn't have a super cod cloned feel to the game play, comes as a finished game, and doesn't have wallet raping... Then I will kiss 343s ass but lets get real here guys... THAT WONT HAPPEN LOL! RIP HALO! 2001- to whenever the fuck 343 started fucking shit up big time... Which is pretty much right when halo 4 launched and we got to see how crappy they truly are.
343 is just a bunch of smart asses who think every decision they make is a good decision
Oh god. When I saw Vault Boy I instantly thought of how this video is easily relatable to Fallout.
"He's a human, not just a suit of armor"
"He's a husk of metal that you move around"
Hey, eku1? Have you seen Paramount's "Halo"?
Don't shoot the messenger.
A husk because your actions as a player reflect on him, you are the Chief, you live in that story, feeling everything they feel.
@@caramelldansen2204 terrible
@@harrylitzler7086 If you say it's because they "ruined" masterchiefs character, i will punch you square in the face.
@@caramelldansen2204 I wish I didn't
I can't believe that people design loot box animations and say yes, wow, incredible.
Cameras rolling boys, work it
✨i have given you the 117th like ✨
That part right there said the most to me.
@@DemonSnacks 1000% yes
@@DemonSnacks Yes
Ex-Bungie: "Game needs to be fun to play first."
343: "Players wanted a fun game, so we gave them pizza skins because fuck you."
nothing wrong w wacky skins but i get what u mean
@Kimi Timoskainen exactly. Imagine being another spartan, and you get your skull caved in by a mister chief shotgun.
A better version of the last sentence: F*CK YOU GIVE ME MONEY
@Kimi Timoskainen Yeah, and that kind of expresses what's happened with 343i. I mean, besides being run by corporate ghouls.
Remember what happened when Halo was top of the heap? Everyone tried to ape Halo.
By the time 343i was put in charge, Halo was still up there, but it was no longer the undisputed lord of online multiplayer.
And that meant corporate pulling on the leash and telling the devs what the game had to be more 'like'.
i.e. make it like Call of Duty, make it like Fortnight, chase the trend. If someone had come to the execs and laid out the original Halo Design document, all the little details and said 'THIS! is why the multiplayer was good!'
The answer would be something like 'yeah, that looks complicated and I don't understand, and share holders, safer to just put in some more novelty hats, those sell well! Oh, and a I big tournament promotional event!'
@Kimi Timoskainen It's not the pizza skin that's the problem.
It's who delivered it.
If that pizza skin was delivered by the Bungie of old, it would have been hilarious and awesome.
Because Bungie earned the right to do silly things like that.
343 has not earned that right. And they never will.
That's what the real problem is.
I like how the Bungie guys are hyper critical of themselves. It makes them squeeze every last ounce of creativity and fun out of themselves, they are always pushing for perfection. Meanwhile 343 are patting themselves on the back like "yep we're the best, no room for improvement." 343 just doesnt seem to get it.
And now, 343 finally got it. Halo infinite's story almost perfectly parallels 343's own story. Just like master chief failed to save humanity from the banished, 343 failed to keep Halo's popularity. Halo infinite shows how 343 took their failures to heart and learnt for the future. These failures are never gonna go away, just like how all the people who died in the war are never gonna come back, but both chief and 343 have to move forward to the future and try to turn the ship around.
@@זהסודי-ה7מ Man you 343 nut lickers are so easily pleased. zzz
@@Evolution-Is-A-Blatant-Lie do you have a problem with the fact that I like the story?
yeah the story it is an improvement compared to H4 and H5, but that customization tho...
@@זהסודי-ה7מ The campaign is still ass though.
Bungie: With weapons, they need to be fun shooting, and fun being shot at.
343 studios: P I Z Z A
Doctor Discord, I died a little inside.
343 did a MUCH better job in this regard. Bungie's guns felt powerless and floaty.
@Deathtrooper40 H5 was peashooters no go pa POW. peashooter go pew pew.
Is this a Reality Bites reference?
@@davidn4956 so You Saying That *Every* Weapon In Bungies Halo Is Powerless? Remember When In Halo If You Have A Normal Assault Rifle In Bungies Multiplayer (Except Reach) It Can Kill A Guy In *Titanium* Armor Note *TITANIUM* ARMOR The Ingame Mutiplayer Spartans Wear Titanium Armor In The Lore And Every Weapon In Halo And Kill A Man In Titanium Armor Fact. Yes In Halo 3 I Personally Didn't Like That Every Weapon Is A Projectile And I Think That's What You're Referring To By "Floaty"
Bungie is like: "How do we make all these aliens feel believable and intimidating?"
343: "my aliens can teleport, and they're way cooler than the covenant"
343 are the kind of people that only play Tau
Bungie aren't doing very well themselves either right now.
@@_IcyCube_ and Bungie is just a shell of its former self, after reach a large portion of veteran staff left, or stayed just long enough to be bought byActivision.
They're Bungie in name only these days.
@dee dee based on what?
@dee dee they're not based, child
This aged so so well.
i have a feeling its only going to age better as time goes on.
@@notagent4 you're a prophet you know that
yes...
This will be a gathering place for future generations of Halo fans.
@@notagent4 it will
Dude, i almost cried in some of the final bungie's scenes when they talk about the detail and trying harder and harder to make the game the best possible, you can feel the dedication when a guy says: "i see the cinematics over and over and im asking myself, does this have something that keep the player watching instead of just skip it?", That's the old game industry, pure dedication to make a beautiful experience, now ist just the basic to sell a game. I miss the real game industry.
@DaMonsta you are a racist fuckwad
Zach Robertson what do u mean?
@@JS-xv3dm I was replying got a subcommenter not OP. Don't exactly remeber what was typed but it was racist and unnecessary for a goddamn Halo video. It was toward DaMonsta he deleted his comment.
@@zachrobertson684 I'm guessing it was something revolving around jewish stock holders having an overwhelming influence on the design choices and monetization practices of the medium, resulting in a rather noticeable downward trend over the years on the industry?
Modern high budget games in a nutshell. Not saying older devs were perfect in any way, but there has been an obvious shift from passion, dedication and delivering something unique, fun into shiny plastic graphics, that looks flashy in trailers, looks over gameplay, sticking with formulas known to sell well, games without any depth. A sad, bitter shift indeed.
4:03 This should be every studios motto
Dodmt expect to see you here. Love your vids
Upload more!! @wilburger
I didn't expect to see you here...
Glad to know you appreciate good gameplay and story first before visuals. Stay Safe.
My Face When Bungie Shows Up: 😀
My Face When 343ind Shows Up: ☹
"We know that there are people who love sprint, and there are halo fans who hate sprint, so we found a nice middle ground by including sprint"
And making it 10 times worse
I dont have a problem with sprint on reach tbh... But i understand people who hate it... When i play halo 2 i dont feel like i need to sprint
They could’ve just increased movement speed by 1 and avoided the whole problem. Armor abilities made sense in Reach since those Spartans were weaker in canon, but including it in a game where you play as a Spartan with the latest armor, it doesn’t make any fucking sense. The climb mechanic was a shit decision as well.
@@beefs0ck911 I want you to explain how them making it easier to traverse your environment in satisfying and meaningful ways is a bad mechanic? there's an unbelievable amount of times in Halo 3 where I just wished that I could grab and scramble up a ledge or it felt like Chief should be able to sprint. Like after chief kills guilty spark and has to leave quickly, running across that bridge, chief SPRINTS in the cutscene. the only thing I could think was, "a super soldier, with cybernetic super armor, just now learned how to sprint after 3 games?" I mean it's strange that it took so long to add climb and sprint when they both felt like they belonged since the beginning. Built in boosters, better movement and sprinting is the best changes to Halo ever. 343 did plenty of horrible things to Halo but fixing the overly heavy and slow chief from 3 is not one of them.
@@2lycos yes the argument of "HES A SUPER SOLDIER HE CAN SPRINT!!"
lmao, so we need to have realism? Where is the realism in a thruster system that can lift an insane super soldier plus a suit of armor that weighs half a ton? The game doesn't have a fuel gauge and it seems like you have infinite thrust, is that scientifically explained in the game? Not really.
Not to mention the fact that guess what, if clamber was added in halo 3 all the ledges you weren't able to get on now would just be raised so you couldn't even clamber to get on. Map design buddy.
10:30 this is probably one of if not THE biggest reason that bungie’s halo was more fun. It’s like a group of casual gamers got together and decided to make a game. Halo was something everyone could enjoy.
And then 4, 5 and Infinite came. And the birth of rabid 343 fanboys.
@@Prehistoeif Let them have their empire of dirt. Halo 2 3 and wars aint going anywhere..
343: Master Chief is human, he's not a machine, he's not a suit of armor
Bungie: He's a big green suit of armor that you walk around
Like bro I never played Halo a day in my life and even I know that
Just finished Halo 4 for the first time. I've read 3 Books and played the games, excluding 4 and onward, when I was a lot younger.
I wish I hadn't played Halo 4.
Especially towards the end, MC didn't feel like MC anymore.
That bitch need some bitch slap to the fucking face!! She just denied the whole facts about master chief
@@rpgamezzz270 Kiki and Bonnie are both fucking dumb.
I never thought there was anything wrong with fleshing out his character because the lore had already established his humanity and you can still be an avatar and not generic action hero. They just could’ve gone about it better the actual relationship with cortana was good but the didact and his interactions with blue team were poorly done.
“If you somehow believe that what you’re doing is the greatest thing ever all the time, it’s absolutely not gonna be the greatest thing ever.” I’m putting that up on a wall, that is wisdom in its purest form.
Sounds like Neil druckman imo. Regardless of what you think of the last of us 2. He’s really cocky now any thinks everything he touches is incredible. Go back and watch the god of war documentary and Cory Barlog is constantly filled with doubt and feels like everyone will hate his game.
Nutterbutterman the best developers see the faults in themselves and their games and work as hard as they can to minimize/fix them. If you think you’re hot stuff, you’re not going to see where you’re going wrong.
Tbf Valve did pretty great things thinking that
💯 self criticism is key at perfercting one's work, it needs to be exactly as you want it to be, if you think you're already perfect or doing something perfect or absolutely great all the time then you're actually never gonna make this thing great. It's like saying the battle is already won before it started, this kind of overconfidence is a plague to any type of work or action in life.
@@kaseycombs6968 Exactly, they know themselves and their work and how it all works out, they know exaclty what they absolutely need to improve otherwise it's not gonna have the effect they want it to have and be
My favorite bit from this has to be watching the Bungie team play testing halo together and just going crazy, and then we pan over to 343 who are testing out opening loot boxes together.
Greed. Makes me so fucking sad. Halo could STILL be amazing.... I wish someone had the money and proper individuals to take back the Halo franchise, and keep the legacy that Bungie created moving.....
@@DevinMarkovichMetal "Evil cannot create, only corrupt."
@@nabieladrian simple yet powerful words!
This aged really well
Unfortunately
For the wrong reasons!
I wish it didn't
Seeing the top comment from 5 years ago “wait a minute”
so well that crowbcat came back to it
The nerds are so much better than the corporate hipsters. RIP Halo.
Fax
They did kill me inside ruining my game
Capitalism is ruining gaming
@@masterchief________605 It hurts my soul to think about halo 4 and 5. They killed a part me.
@@mastershangchi3410 well for me theyre definitely not as good as the first 3 and reach, but if you dont take them seriously theyre still pretty fun. what you said reminds me of how i feel about mass effect andromeda though, the existence of that story feels like the whole mass effect universe is lesser for it, despite it adding a whole new galaxy.
Broke my heart seeing Bungie start talking about the couch experience towards the latter half of the video, everything is so artificially competitive now adays and no one focuses on that unique approach to games before where we were all a bunch of dudes sitting on the couch and yelling our asses off when we lost/won. Something modern multiplayer gaming have lost touch of over the years.
It's honestly hard to disagree with you. I can still have fun with some Call of Duty with friends and family. But, yeah multiplayer games feel a bit different today.
Waking up on Saturday with no voice left because of how much screaming/laughing you did playing H3 on a Friday night will always be one of my fondest memories.
The only multiplayer game to actually kinda of create that feeling over online was modern warfare 2.
You join a lobby, and boom you got 30 different people all simultaneously shit talking each other and having a good old time.
Indeed, I have so many fond memories of Halo multiplayer split screen with my brother on Xbox. Nowadays, a lot of online multiplayer gaming has devolved into a lot of people just watching wealthy streamers screaming their asses off.
@@ben69028 that happens in a lot of online games
I love how you can see Bungie actually playing the game whereas 343 is just showing off cinematic cutscenes. Really shows how genuine these people were with making the game fun
indeed
That's key
Storywise 4 is the best
Odst
And halo 2 but its a mess and so many I consistency
@@generaljeanmoreau6853 it might have been the best story in concept. ,But the it wasn't executed well at all. Covenant war was over and the banished should've appeared here as the new threat instead of a nonthreatening remnant. I like the return of the Forerunners and the Cortana crisis to fight for but it wasn't captivating like Halo 2 and 3 were. It was something other than halo and was off-putting I thought.
@@garretttekampe9564
halo 4 probably has the best story and a great end for master chief especially that last cutscenes and him and cortana departing
halo 5 had good conceot but its a damn mess
6:44 I watched the Halo Infinite setember 2022 dev update. When that guy told Halo was very competitive, it was in it's DNA since the first Halo, I could only think about this part from this video.
It's like nothing changed.
I love the vibe from before. Nerds and talented people caring so much about a piece of art.
@Jerico, Jerinmo excuse me, what the fuck
@Jerico, Jerinmo W
True. Games used to be made by nerds with a deep passion. Then big business saw how profitable it was and moved in, shifting game creation from something made by passion to something made purely for the cash. games are soulless now.
Look at old studios, they were like nerd caves. When the devs interacted with their communities it wasn't a copy/pasted reply or seem like it was coming from a bot. Now its all corporate.
The biggest thing is that they were left alone for a long time while the honed these games
And then there was corporate marketing!
I love how 343i always talked about how competitive their game would be, yet the competitive community hates it. Whereas Bungie always emphasized fun, but still managed to satisfy BOTH the causal and competitive communities.
wat?
Sloth from The Goonies I know this comment is a month old, but do you remember Reach? That game butchered the competitive scene.
+John Adams nope, everyone pretty much loved that game.
Slender Man 186 Truth be told, it wasn't great or the competitive scene. And was less successful than Halo 3. even in term of player retention.
+Sloth from The Goonies while true it's still the most played of the Bungie games, getting about 10k players per day.
"This is the biggest and most ambitious campaign ever yet." *Campaign is 4-5 hrs long*
biggest baddest most ambitious campaign is definitely halo 2
@@soundlesspeal fr fr
soundlesspeal the good bad or bad bad?
@@harshbalwani9736 both
That line made me face-palm so hard I had a concussion.
“We don’t want it to just feel like just clearing another room of enemies”
343 level designers really failed to understand that for halo infinite
I hate so many modern games because they feel like this. No art or creativity. Just more "content".
@@ky5666I just expect it now
Game devs really need to study being DnD DMs, crafting encounters is super fucking important in games and if you don't know how to push your players then you're just not a good DM.
I never understood why 343 needed to cater to new players in a franchise that sold 20 million plus per game lol.
Lord only knows, I get the impression that they thought they could get more players by "appealing to a wider audience" probably by focus group testing a bunch of 12 year olds not realising that they already had a winning formula that was about as popular as it was going to get.
Corporate greed, enough is never enough.
@@RossMitchellsProfile except they didnt, they pretty much killed off the old players.
@@jimmythecrow They don't care about playberbase, only about customers. That's true of every company and will always be, they meet the requirements for the best foreseeable (short-term) profit.
If the majority of customer is willing to buy anything and even defend it, forget everything and buy again, then companies follow suit and produce accordingly. Short term gain, no long term consequences.
They tried to make a cod game but ultimately black ops 2 was a better cod game than halo 4
The composer who talked about sitting alone, running into that moment of self-doubt before it all finally clicks and you figure it out... That convinced me he wrote the music from the heart, even if I never heard it before.
Montesama314 hence halo ce’s masterpiece soundtrack
Martin O’Donnell. He composed the music for Destiny as well. He released some music from Halo and Destiny on his UA-cam channel.
Also an awesome interview with the UA-camr Act Man it’s great watch and insight on his process
He commented on this video lol
“The composer”. You mean Marty O freaking Donnell?!?
Lol, love the editing
3:09 - 343 shows off great graphics for the promethean shit...
3:23 - Bungie talks about how graphics are worthless if its not fun to play (which defines prometheans perfectly)
Not in Halo is what they mean
They are a boring ass enemy, nothing fun about them, like the Grunts. But that's what games do now, is to have graphics over gameplay
Warren G The grunts are funny, and to some are cute looking. Unlike the Prometheans
Warren G suicide grunts are the best grunts. When they're close to you, you just go oh shit I'm dead. Peace.
Grunts are way better enemies than the hometheans. They are funny cannon fodder but if you're not careful they might surprise you with a frg round to the face or a nade here and there.
The robot alien things suck though...
Watchers and dogs are just annoying. The dog things are basically buggers without wings. NO ONE likes fighting the buggers. Glad they toned them down after halo 2 and 3/odst. It's a shame that 343 basically replaced them with those stupid dogs... The watchers are very annoying. Some times they just swarm you in mass. They can't die very easily. The throw nades back at you. And the bring the big ones back to life as well as put up gay little shields. A challenge I suppose but a frustration at the same time...
The big beetle guys are the worst though. They teleport randomly which slows down the fight pace a whole lot. Often you have to keep fucking looking for them to fight them. It's also a silly enemy when you think about it. Why doesn't one just teleport behind chief and simply stab him in the heart? It's silly and doesn't make a fun enemy.
And finally the biggest problem I have with them is what they are. They are these emotionless robot alien trash can discount decepticon things... When I fight demons in doom I feel as though I'm fucking up monsters. When I fight terrorists in army of 2 I feel like I'm killing my fellow man. When I fight aliens in star craft I feel like I'm killing a race of intelligent life forms from another world that's similar to my own. When I fight the homoetheans I feel like I might as well be kicking a tin can. The fun and interest isn't nearly as high...
All we have to thank 343 for is solidifying Bungie's legacy.
*2001-2011 Bungie. Bungie today is a shell of its former self.
@@christianbethel Definitely. They are a microtransaction peddling nightmare now.
@@cogd1599 At least the MCC team is doing a hood job, but they still have a *_long_* way to go.
And saving Halo. People will just get mad by learning the truth.
The more time it passes to more I respect 343.
@cesarst3720 I have not even heard a good opinion from anyone with that band kid pfp and today is no exception, 343 killed Halo and they deserve all the shit they get and more
It's a small thing really, but I can't help but notice how 343 work in this huge slick studio that looks really incredible while Bungie are toiling away in what can be politely described as a fairly modest office. It's almost like a metaphor for the games - the newer set is shiny and superficial, while the others don't look quite as nice, but have so much more depth, focus and character.
Marma you realize bungie had been gutted, taken out back and old yeller’d by that point do you? Once Joseph Staten got scrapped after he pitched his idea for D1’s story (apparently Activision thought it’s too complicated for a shoot em’ up), that was all she wrote.
he's talking about how the people who worked on halo 1,2,3 are pretty much not the people who worked on destiny. When people say bungie sucks now because of destiny while thinking the devs at bungie are the same people who were at the company in 2007 is like saying the lakers suck now and blaming it on kobe bryant even though he doesnt play anymore.
@@GillisonsIsland An entirely different team worked on Reach to, you know that right? Hence why it was also a pile of shit.
At least we have 343 to save Halo from the destruction Bungie brought upon it from a $60 ODST expansion pack, to the disaster that was Reach.
+Nighterlev The Bungie dev team that worked on Reach still had most of the leads that worked on previous Halo games like Halo 3 and even Halo 2. It was after Reach that Bungie lost most of these people, and only a handful of original Halo devs worked on the Destiny games. THAT was an entirely different team.
Also, how was Reach a disaster again? It managed to sell more copies than Halo 3 (generating $200 million in its first day), it was very highly rated (91/100 on Metacritic), maintained a decently sized population for a pretty long period of time (after a year it had a 900,000 peak population) and is still played to this day (with a population between 3k and 6k concurrent players). If you consider Reach to be a disaster then I wonder what you must think of 343s Halo games which fared poorly in all of thee categories.
Let's talk actual numbers: Roughly a year after release, Halo 3 had a 1.1 million peak population day, Reach had a 900,000 peak population day after the same amount of time while Halo 4 clocks in at 20,000 peak for it's annual checkup and even if Halo 4 had a larger population at launch compared to Reach it managed to fall to below that of Reach in only six months, Halo 4 lasted a whole two entire months in the Top 3 of the Xbox Live activity chart, Halo 3 didn't fall out of the Top 3 until Halo Reach released, 3 years after it's release and Halo Reach didn't fall out of the Top 3 until 343's title update for the game after they took over the game, 12 months after release. Also, Halo 5s beta was only played by around a million players, with 2.5 hours of playtime per player and a total game time of 2.5 million hours compared to Reach's 2.7 million players, 5.9 hours per player and 16 million hours total game time.
@@TheMasterMind144 The amount of misinformation in your comment is horrendous...
No, the Bungie dev team that worked on Reach had none of the leads from the original Halo titles. Hell, the original leads for Halo 1, 2, and 3 were no where to be seen for Reach.
You do realize a far lesser amount of the OG Bungie dev team worked on Destiny, then the OG Bungie dev team worked on Halo 4, right?
Reach by far sold FAR less copies then Halo 3, easily less then 4-5 million less (you forget Halo 3 ended up selling around 14.7 million copies from the last sales report. Reach only got up to 9.7).
Halo 4 even sold more with around 9.8-9.9 million copies sold.
Reach by far didn't hold a decent sized population at all, the entire game died after a year and became a ghost town by the time Halo 4 released. No body was even playing it until it became backwards compatible for the Xbox One because a 1080p 60fps enhancement of Reach hasn't happened yet (if ever).
343's Halo games are even rated higher then Reach LOL WHAT. Halo 4 easily has the best Halo campaign by far to date, with Halo 5's multiplayer easily being the most vast selection of game types, forge maps, and more.
Halo 5's beta was also plagued by the horrible MCC net code at the time, not only that but not many people really bought MCC either compared to the likes of Crackdown. That pretty much self explains it-self as to why the Reach beta ended up having more players at all.
This video continues to age like fine wine
Yes it did. And the Halo Infinite reveal did not help 343’s case.
A Memorial To the Fallen.
Sam Wymer It most definitely did, tf you on b?
@@justchilling704 yes man those new graphics are really taking advantage of the new xbox and look super great totally
Milbox R yes because the only thing people care about is graphics
I'd kill for the team that worked on Halo 1-Reach to come back.
The team that worked on Reach was 100% different then the team that worked on Halo 3..Hence why Reach was so shit.
EDIT: Reach is still an awful game, this is a edit a year after I made this comment. Reach is quite literally the worst Halo title ever made in existance, in both campaign and multiplayer. No doubt about it, 343i revived Halo with Halo 4 and 5.
@@Nighterlev reach is damn good only bad thing is bloom.
Nighterlev reach was my second favorite and most played halo game
@@joness7148 Bloom, weak vehicles, armor lock, and maps. Forge was cool but they relied on grey and boring forge maps done by the community for multiplayer. And all of the other multiplayer and firefight maps were ripped out of the campaign, so they weren't very unique to play on.
@@Nighterlev I found Reach fantastic.
The characters, the atmosphere quite different from previous games and most of all the music.
Bungie kept trying to show you how fun the game is.
343I kept trying to sell the game and use buzzwords.
343 tries to sell the idea bungie created into reality
Seeing that old Xbox Original system link party brought a tear to my eye
it'll never be that way again. for any game now. everything's online. everyone has families and jobs, obligations. it was special.
There's still a chance, maybe not consoles, but PC's
nothing will ever be like the summer after my first year of university. constant halo coop missions during the day and lan matches in the evenings before going out and getting hammered.
That sounds like a dream dude
occasionally my brother and i relive it but goddamn i get nostalgic for 2002
You really tell how passionate Bungie was with their games. They're nerds that love video games. 343 is just a bunch of soulless tech bros fulfilling a quota.
Tech bro hipsters making 100grand a year pumping out shit to live in scqulor barely able to break even every month
Bungie: I'm royalty, and I gave you the keys to the mother f*ckin kingdom
@RARAYAYA RAA you can have a bad opinion if you want i guess, just don't expect anyone to take it seriously :/
@RARAYAYA RAA You sound like you have the standards of the average millennial cashier m8.
@RARAYAYA RAA I am sorry m8, but I dont understand hebrew. All I heard was "....guy, meet me at my mom's twitch channel and donate to her....."
"If a game doesn't entertain us in five minutes we stop playing it"
~The team that made the library level
LMAO
I don't know what it is with me, I know the Library is the most dreaded Halo level, and yet somehow I find it to be tons of fun. That's just me.
@@as7river
Its called nostalgia and its not good because it meddles with your personally feelings
@@generaljeanmoreau6853 "Nostalgia is not good because it meddles with your feelings", now that's a first. It's not open heart surgery dude, it's a game. Nostalgia's fine.
@@as7river
I meant that when people try to argue with facts they use nostalgia like "I have so many memories on halo 3 that's why its the best halo"
Something like that
Could you imagine if 343 got the rights to minecraft?
"Steve is human, he's not a machine, he's not a set of armor with a pickaxe."
Steve can beat lego batman (an absolutely vile and powerful being), and 343 will call him just a human
microsoft owns 343i and minecraft. 0.0
Combat Update be like
This is amazing.
RIP Bungie
assfuck
+Fred Lavar Steenerson Stevens Herbert Why are you doing this sir?
Fred Lavar Steenerson Stevens Herbert YOU KNOW WHAT??? Take your childish butt and go some place
+DEADLYANT get mad kid
Dude, 343 destroyed the Halo franchise. Bungie had more passion and were detailed in there explanations.
this is kind of depressing actually...
facts
When AAA game developers were gamers before anything, when it meant shit if the game wasn't fun.
Halo Reach is the worst Halo game to date, no doubt about it. More content? My ass LOL. It's story was over-all the worst as well, bottom of the barrel over-all.
Halo 4 had way more content to play and see then Reach did at all. Hell, Halo 4's forge alone was a slight improvement of Reach's, and it's custom game options were widely the same (besides some problems with the Infection game type that is)
The only problem with Halo 4 was that it had to many similarities to Reach, causing it to over-all die. It's gameplay though was essentially Halo 2's when you get rid of all the loadouts, AA's and such.
Halo 4 also had a wayy better story then any of the Halo games to date.
Halo 5 improved upon Halo 4 in terms of the content, it just took 343 much longer to release all of the content over a year due to the fact that they essentially had to recreate the story from scratch a year upon release due to Microsoft's own doings, which essentially you got the story you have today. Nothing to do with 343 at all.
Nighterlev I commend you putting alot of effort into such an insignificant shitpost.
+Dan Beucler
I mean it's not a shit post. Those are just the facts. Only way to end the bandwagon is fight against it.
Insignificant? Sounds like the people who hate on 343i.
Bungie was filled with people who want to please players.
343 is filled with people who want to please executives.
Abso-fuckin-lutely.
343 completely altered their art style, music, and gameplay for Halo infinite, and then proceeded to responsibly delay the game to address problems players had with it. 343 definitely cares for the Halo community.
@@juicedbeetlejuice4572 I just hate the bungo good 343 bad stuff.
@@juicedbeetlejuice4572 That's after making two abysmal games in Halo 4 and 5. Not to mention the disaster that was the Master Chief Collection. Honestly it would be great to have 343 release a good Halo game but at this point they've probably had the IP for as long as Bungie did and yet have produced nothing but disappointments that have only detracted from the franchise. Its going to take them a while to earn fan trust and respect again.
@@juicedbeetlejuice4572 lmfao this guy clearly works for Microsoft.
The reason they delayed Infinite is bc 343 finally realized that their lazy derivative vision of Halo doesn’t mesh with the fans’ desires… It doesnt mean they can fix it, even if they wanted to; they don’t even know what was rotten let alone how to fix it.
They’re just paying lip service to old fans. Infinite is going to be some zoomer-targeted liveservice f2p battle royale game.
The multiplayer will be free… You think people will spend $60 on the single player? Lol neither does 343….
Expect loot boxes. Don’t expect Halo.
343: "Cinematics and competitiveness!"
Bungie: "Fun."
Bungie: ''Fun'' & Casual.
u forgot l00tboxes
I love how it shows 343 talking about how competitive the atmosphere of the multiplayer is and then it cuts to bungie talking about how the multiplayer is meant to be played with your friends and family and have fun and laugh together
That's why I play Titanfall 2 even though it's going to be 4 years old.
times change
Halo 4 multi was a lot of fun back in the day
@@reaux1560 i have been very concern of Respawn Entertainment since EA fully bought them.
I don't think companies should design games to be competitive, just like smash bros if you make a fun game made to play and laugh with friends then the competitive scene will develop on it's own.
I think the main difference is that Halo wasn't just bungie's game, it WAS bungie. Nobody needed to define what Halo was, because it was the people who worked there (at least the people in charge of creative decisions anyways).
When it moved to 343, even though a lot of bungie staff moved over, 343 still had the pressure of "making another Halo game," and people had to sit down with the new team structure and actually define what a Halo game was, and not only could they not create anything new, they were also just trying to recreate something that had already been done while battling the pressure to "innovate" from Microsoft IE: make more money and appeal to more players. You can hear this REPEATEDLY in these interviews. Bungie almost never said "we wanted to make it like Halo" they only ever said "we wanted to make it good," while 343 constantly just says "we wanted to recreate that Halo experience"
Zach Hixson honestly I totally feel what you mean everytime I remember halo I instantly think bungie
After the utter mess and bullshit Bungie has done with Destiny 2, I think Halo is ironically in better hands now...
G Truesdale Activsion destroyed idea and story of how original Destiny was meant to be and Microsoft destroyed Halo with these out of touch developers.
nothing new here, giant publishers stomping on and destroying real passionate developers until theres nothing left but standard employees with zero passion or chemistry. thats why every game nowadays feels uninspired, soulless, stale, etc...
It's a shame Bungie is doing awful these days as well. Destiny 2 has been one disaster after another, even Halo 5 was better than destiny 2.
3-5 people moving from bungie to 343 is a lot of people?
Bungie: We’re just a small, wholesome company that just wants to make a great game.
343: Here’s a bunch of bullshit and fancy words so you think what we’re doing is groundbreaking but what we’re really doing is choosing how characters enter the scene and some new stuff that no one wanted or asked for. Also *PIIIIIZZZAAAAAAAA*
Shizaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Bungie was just vibing dudes making a cool game, and 343 went nuclear on the reason behind the game rather than the effort it takes to actually make the damn thing
This video just keeps continuing to age like wine.
Aged so well its more relevant now with his newest upload
Now I know who fucked up Halo, the director said he wanted "an emotional halo" jeez, they turned an epic story into a Mexican novela but even Mexican novelas have a good story.
To me master chief is still drifting away in space.
Poor guy needs to wake up to a better campaign.
I liked 4 fine, it was ok tbh. But 5 was a dumpster fire
@@flyde6521 i have the same opinion
@@Oskar_464 im struggling to fully realise why 4 is hated so much, the Campaign was pretty good, the graphics were great for 2012 too, the only thing I could think of is the change in art style
@@flyde6521 i think its hated mainly because of a new developer
I am eternally grateful that I had the opportunity to play Halo during the golden age. Long live the Halo Trilogy.
And Reach
EpicHysteria that was the golden age
Yeh, same. The only Halo games I haven't played are Halo 2 and 5 (I also never properly played through ODST), but still, they were a big part of my childhood and I used to play deathmatch in CE a lot with my brother.
@@EpicHysteria Reach was probably my favourite.
Jozinek please stop whatever you’r doing and go play Halo 2 RIGHT NOW
6:53 developers being this excited over mtxs is just the most wretched thing I've ever seen
Obviously there are worse things to see but this is definitely akin to them.
Yeah that was just gross.
Yep. 343 aren't developers. They're marketers.
Disgusting lizardp people.
My mouth was hanging open when I saw that, stupidest idea ever. I hope everybody in that shot and the guy who came up with it lose their jobs.
No joke i always get teary when thinking back to the time were i sit in my room playing halo 2 or 3 till morning on the weekends and having a blast in custom playlists with friends. Nowadays i never had an experience like that ever again. Im srsly glad i had these games when i grew up the 2000-2010 where the pinnacle of gaming and i glad i fully experienced it.
Halo, Bioshock, DeadSpace, Borderlands, Gears of War, Left 4 Dead. I wish I could go back to that time.
It's crazy that there are TEENAGERS who never experienced this era of gaming. It makes me sad honestly
@@nighthawk244 Yeah, the enjoyment i've seen on the faces of those people who played those games together back then made me really happy. I'm a 2006 world joiner so the only sort of excitement i've had in gaming that could compare to those guys would probably be my time playing rainbow six siege with some friends back in 2017 as well as when I used to play assassin's creed unity co-op (Although there weren't that many people to play with).
"Tried to make it something like" cuts in "BLACK OPS 3" I laughed way too hard
Gavin Wood more like call of duty advanced warfare lol
I'm by myself and I laughed out loud as well
Halo Reach is the worst Halo game to date, no doubt about it. More content? My ass LOL. It's story was over-all the worst as well, bottom of the barrel over-all.
Halo 4 had way more content to play and see then Reach did at all. Hell, Halo 4's forge alone was a slight improvement of Reach's, and it's custom game options were widely the same (besides some problems with the Infection game type that is)
The only problem with Halo 4 was that it had to many similarities to Reach, causing it to over-all die. It's gameplay though was essentially Halo 2's when you get rid of all the loadouts, AA's and such.
Halo 4 also had a wayy better story then any of the Halo games to date.
Halo 5 improved upon Halo 4 in terms of the content, it just took 343 much longer to release all of the content over a year due to the fact that they essentially had to recreate the story from scratch a year upon release due to Microsoft's own doings, which essentially you got the story you have today. Nothing to do with 343 at all.
+Nighterlev Reach being the worst? You're insane.
+Ryan Rosen What? It's just a bad game.
If i'm not mistaken, it sounds like as time evolved, the foundation for game design went from "What makes a game fun" to "what makes a game look good" .
I think the reason why the OG halo series created by bungie was so successful was simply because they made the blueprint *fun* first *everything else* second.
The sad thing is, the ideology of "what makes a game look good" is still a big selling point to a lot of gamers nowadays. Sure we're starting to move away from it but if you'd ask most casual gamers and even some hardcore gamers which game they'd play more, the game that looks good or the game that plays good, they'd choose the former.
@@markv6467 "the latter" means the last one.
@@h4724-q6j yeah I legitimately just noticed. Thanks for the heads up
John Smith this is due to innovation in technology. Back then when people would play at probably 10 FPS with 144p 😂there was no nice visuals. This made the game companies try much harder on great game mechanics.
@@gibble1176 This is so completely obvious that I don't even know why you commented this fact in the first place.
What I'm getting at is, you don't JUST play a game for the visuals. If that was the case, then it could be just a movie and it won't be any different. The gameplay and story matters for a video game to succeed. Yet, people still get sold just for visuals alone. And that's why companies focus on the graphics and initial trailers and marketing FIRST then the gameplay afterwards (Look at Anthem for example)
Whenever I hear "expanding the audience" or "appeal to a new audience" it's always the heads up that the game I once enjoyed is now no more.
Because it’s never a logical way for the series to attract new players, it always has to be “we made it play like something else entirely” and it always ends up selling worse.
99% it means “more appealing to idiots”
Yeah, a lot of attempts at streamlining usually tend to end up being watering down the good content.
@GrapeSkoda woah woah woah, pokemon in its fundamental gameplay has gotten absurd over the years, but in an evolving way. Yes the core games are similar but the competitive scene is retardedly complex and changing
Yep. RIP Borderlands, the 3rd was made for impatient immature kids so now every enemy shits out legendries, it's unplayable, completely ruined what the series was about.
They cancelled split screen lol
I really miss watching those old bungie vidocs. Never really felt the same after Reach :/
In the end it was microsoft, not 343, who put the final nail in the coffin for Halo. Just my opinion, but Halo stopped being *Halo* to me after 3.
Reach was a POS game.
The last great Halo game was 3, they should have left it there.
Well that's your opinion just like the previous comments are just my opinion. I enjoyed Reach a lot.
if you haven't seen them go watch the developper's commentary of halo 1 and 2 (Joe, Marty and Jason). It is amazing! ...and lot of fun :)
Ive watched them many many times. always makes me happy :)
"This is the biggest and most ambitious halo yet"
*WHEEZE*
Nah, Todd coward said that
hol' up
If I was in the crowd I would have booo so hard at that guy XD
It was so ambitious that it fully changed the game for the worst. ya know, i will say, it is big though. a big waste of hd space
"Multiplayer"
'Competitive, competitive, competititve'
Cuts to
*Bungie employees laughing and screaming at each other*
remember fun in video games?
Gotta look to indies on Steam for that, now! How's "glorified data entry simulator 2020" looking this year?
I miss those days. Maybe I just need to stop playing sweaty Battle Royales.
@@n16161 Fortnite was better off without the arena mode and like another comment said "let the game competitive community grow and not make it"
Bungie made halo fun. 343 made halo space Call of Duty
"We don't want Trials to be half baked, " - Bungo before they released Trials of Osiris.
Halo 3 STILL holds up. It still plays great, it still looks great and the score is still top notch. A legendary game, especially for those of us who were there on our 360's shouting at each other. It was my, and many other's first ever experience of proper online gaming. Completing the campaign on legendary splitscreen with my friend is a lasting memory for me. 343 just doesn't get it.
Pretty much, Halo 3 was probably one of the best and most feature complete games I have ever played. I can't think of many other games where putting "Complete multiplayer experience" on the multiplayer disk wouldn't sound like hubris but halo 3's multiplayer definitely earned that. Sadly 343 fucked it up with MCC by having us play it through their sloppy slow disorganised menu system and shit matchmaking system. It's just not the authentic complete Halo 3 experience that it should have been purely because of 343's incompetence.
@@RossMitchellsProfile Im honestly not having much difficulty with the menus
Xbox One and Series X should allow Halo 2 and Halo 3 online multiplayer with the Xbox 360 discs. That would be life changing.
Halo reach is the greatest game ever created
Man, those guys at Bungie really knew what they was doing.
You can tell they really cared too. "If you think that what you're making is the greatest thing ever all the time, then it's not gonna be the greatest thing ever." If only most devs still had that attitude, not even just Halo 3. Bungie were the realist niggas around.
not anymore though
+Snoopy true words have never been spoken snoop.....
I mean to say "not even just 343" but you know what I mean. lol
+Snoopy
That was Activision who messed up Bungie, not Bungie themselves.
I think they can make a comeback.
Believe.
Bungie: "here's this tiny, almost unnoticable animation that adds more character than a flashy eyesore explosion will ever have."
343: "Here's this flashy eyesore explosion. Aren't we just the greatest?"
Exactly! I've been trying to convince myself that Halo didn't die with Noble Six.. :(
Nah, even their explosions suck, just compare blowing up a Phantom in Halo 4 to doing it in Halo 3 or Reach
@@nagger8216 At least the phantoms in Halo 3 were genuine AI lol
Come on guys they just needed their vacation🤓
Yet they can't even get the animation of a Phantom blowing up correct. Lmfao
It should have stopped at Reach. The series came full circle, everything had its meaning.
I've been saying this exact thing for years. I swear i never feel the need to play 4,5 or halo wars 2 because 1 through reach all did what they needed to do. The only thing I could possibly say 343 did right was the artsyle in halo wars 2 because it popped like CE did.
@Dug Dug I'll be honest, I kinda forgot what the story was. It's been a while since I played it.
Stopped? Maybe. I don't know, I'd have loved more spin-offs and content, but I'd have preferred it without the Master Chief. He should have retired in his cryo pod for the rest of the series with Cortana keeping him company. Would have been a bit depressing, but he doesn't know how to live a normal life and Cortana was always destined for rampancy. Unless someone like 343 pulls a fucking deus ex machina and cures her rampancy while making her fucking evil for no reason at all except to piss off fans and stir up a shitty story *no one liked.*
ODST is a great example of how the series could have continued. As is Reach. New characters revisiting scenarios we had already seen or heard about, expanding on the world. Maybe some story content post-Covenant, but nothing quite to the scale of Halo's past with galactic genocide.
@Dug Dug I just don't believe anyone but Bungie can really do his character justice. He's a huge part of Halo like Johnson and Cortana. All three should have been retired so that companies like 343 couldn't drag them through the mud. Luckily for us Johnson's dead.
@Dug Dug I... really don't see why you'd think that given 343's history and the fact that we've only seen a rather pitiful scrap of Infinite's story (complete with monologuing).
But I won't argue. If you wanna be hyped for the game, that's your right. I try to see the bright side of any Halo game, even 4 and 5, the former of which I did not particularly enjoy and the latter... I don't want to talk about 5.
Practically every other sentence from a Bungie dev was talking about how important it was for them to put fun before other design considerations. I don't think the 343 team even used the word "fun" once in this video.
I'll say that that even applies to software development in general.
Bungie sounds way more critical towards themselves to push the game to its best form, while 343 are only complementing themselves..
Those Bungie devs knew they were sitting on a good game so by acting self-critical they are being humble winners. The 343 devs know they're sitting on a pile of trash and they're self-consciously trying to cover it up. And in a way it's not even their fault, at least not most of them. They're simply the wrong people for the job. I still remember some manager type early on bragging about hiring people who don't like Halo. Talk about a red flag. Who knows what type of game they would rather make, maybe Call of Duty, maybe Titanfall, maybe not even a shooter. But everything they touch turns into not-Halo. Then when the cameras start rolling they have to praise Halo again and it gets awkward. They're that pet that looks regretful about scratching the sofa but as soon as you leave the room he does it again. They can't help themselves but sabotage everything that could lead to their game actually feeling like Halo because they have never appreciated Halo and never will. Let them create their own game. Halo is nothing but a golden cage to them.
@@forasago That manager was Frank O'Conner. Bungie's former community manager turned 343 employee. He did admit that they had people who never liked Halo. He also played a part of butchering this franchise too.
I think I remember Jason jones saying something like “if you think you’re doing your job well all the time. You’re definitely not doing it well.”
@@forasago well it shows because infinite plays just like a call of duty game, same mechanics and all
You're an excellent storyteller. You juxtapose the humble Bungie devs trying their hardest to make a fun game with the hubris of the 343 team who constantly huff their own farts and can't get enough of themselves
While I broadly agree . . . This does need a sanity check. You're not wrong, but I think it's possible to go too far and lose perspective of the diagnosis.
We're comparing promotional material, released by marketing specialists trying to hype and sell an upcoming game, to a development documentary packaged as extra content with old school collectors editions, that would mostly only be seen by fans of the game who had already bought their collector's edition copy.
The videos were made for completely different purposes. Of course the 343 devs are hyping it up. They were probably told to, specifically, or they were asked leading questions like 'what are especially proud of in the game'. Back in the day, we didn't have youtube, we barely had G4, the hype for Halo 2 was carried in magazine Articles. I still have some of those, and Bungie ABSOLUTELY claimed that game was the second coming of Christ in interviews.
"Like Halo but wrapped in bacon and on fire!" Was something that Bungie devs unironically said about Halo 2 back in the day. XD
@@BustermachineBungie was promoting their game, dude. They didn't brag and say it was the best rhing ever and it was gonna revolutionize gaming.
I got really fucking sad when the 343 weapon skin section came. Then I got even sadder when I watched their loot box reactions. That isn't halo.
I feel like Bungie was a close knit group of people who weren’t afraid to tell each other when something sucks, versus 343, who are probably too scared to contradict each other, and instead just nod and clap their hands to whatever idea their higher-ups come up with cause telling someone the work they did isn’t good is just “too toxic of a work environment”
Having a corporate board that actually gives a shit about making a good product is especially rare these days.
I love the older video game industry. They truly cared about what they created and wanted their product to show it. Now it's just about the money.
Scoin0 same here
Scoin0 yeah no joke, the world is sick and greedy since dlcs have given way to season passes and micro-transactions
Old Bungie & Old Infinity Ward! We should bring them back to the industry! Lol they're probably all old but still could make a better game then these new publishing groups..
Scoin0 Not nintendo at least. they still make quality games.
MY LE NOSTALGIA. DEVELOPERS MADE THESE TRIPLE A TITLES AS A CHARITY TO THE FANS, IT WAS NEVER ABOUT THE MONEY, NOW ITS ONLY ABOUT DA MONEY.
Gimme a break. There are plenty of triple A titles with fantatsic developer support and a slew of indie games as well. Just because Cod and Shattlefield are getting progressively greedier doesn't mean the whole industry is.
1:38 has she even PLAYED halo 2? the entire story plays on the fact that cheif is a husk and arbiter is driven by faith and honor and they, as polar opposites, have to work together
Even me who dont really know the halo story i was like " the fuck you talking about girl"
@@jakpote88 seriously have they heard the fucker talk? Monotone and emotionless in a good way. Since when is he some delicate emotional hearthrob?
@@anson2389 i feel like nop... the good thing with how masterchief act... is he's never annoying or cringe... when he talk... he say something badass and trying to make him humain break everything
Master chief had also had multiple games to grow as a character, that blank husk worked perfectly for inserting us into the game/universe in CE but he is a very different character by the end of Halo 3.
343 has some story writting issues without question but I'm personally okay with the direction they are taking cheif as a whole.
And that's the glory of it, imagine being a marine in your youth making you a mentally damaged, angry, quiet person who realizes years later you are still human and that's worth trying to be. That's what's great about Halo 4. It's clearly a representation of what real veterans go through and does so in an emotional way for those who played since the beginning
My soul was crushed at 5:09. That really hurts to watch what they've done to Halo
Fuckers
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@@jozinek876 fuck it hurts so bad
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Does pizza even exist anymore in the 2500's?
“WHAT ARE YOU GUYS DOING TO HALO!?”
343i: That’s the point, we’re ruining it.
Garners more attention.
Bungie: "How shall we impact the player the most?"
343: "Let's put in shit we think is cool!"
400th like!
The old halo Bungie yes. New destiny Bungie absolutely not.
@Walshie Nightly Destiny Bungie has completely ruined the namesake. I miss Halo Bungie.
Bungie: how can we make this level fun to play and make it so that it never gets repetitive?
343: how can we make this look pretty and get boring after a few play throughs?
Retroflection yet bungie made halo reach, adding in what they thought would be cool, and ruined their entire franchise in one fell swoop. It's all well and good blaming 343 for everything, but pay some attention and you'll see that the beginning of the end was with reach. Sprint, armor abilities, weapon bloom, no real rank system, shitty bland forge made maps. NO. FUCK bungie. They ruined halo forever. And now they're making one of the worst franchises of our modern day. Destiny. Garbage company.
Played Halo 3 as a tween on the special Green and Gold 360. This hurts me in more ways you can imagine.
"Don't her her go.......don't you EVER let her go..."
It WAS a long time ago, nearly a decade now.
Why? I'd like to continue myself.
Cheesedragon117 Nah not you bro, talking to *****, youtubes fucked up
face it
Fallout 4
Call of Duty Black Ops 3
are way better than
call of Halo: Star Wars 5
Zack L. Jones dude black ops 3 is dog shit
343: "Our game is pretty and technically impressive"
Bungie: "Our game is fun"
basically, most xbox exclusives
The entire Halo franchise is super ultra overrated since the beginning with CE in 2001. Idk the difference. All you do is shooting the same alien over and over and over again. The only new thing it brought is driving cars and shield.
@@Therizinosaurus Well...it's a shooter...i don't know what were you expecting.
@@Therizinosaurus you can say that about literally every game
@@Therizinosaurus The entire concept of UA-cam comments is super ultra overrated since the beginning of UA-cam in 2005. Idk the difference.All you do is keep writing the same words and alphabets over and over again.The only new thing it brought was bots and people bringing in unwanted negativity
8:22 I love how 343’s like “as intimidating it is to follow Marty’s scores” and then it just cuts to Marty vibing.
Bungie's chemistry really seems like lightning in a bottle, they're so nonchalant about the entire process that they take it in stride when their ideas get shot down, which ultimately leads to a more refined game where only the very best aspects of development made it in. At 343, you get the impression that everyone takes themselves seriously, that they think they're prodigious for even having gotten their job, and because of that they'll spend years polishing a bad idea because no one was willing to take the axe to it
I mean just look at what they did. For Halo 4 they HAD to change the art direction for the covenant, they HAD to make a new enemy that wasnt the flood. Halo HAD the be THEIRS, and Halo had to be better than Bungie's Halo.
They have their heads shoved so far up their ego filled asses and it shows with how terrible 4 (and the other one we dont talk about) was. They care about being right, not doing right by the material, and the customer.
@@themasterseye Infinite isn't doing better either unfortunately.
@@BladePocok sad but true
According to some things I've heard from Bungie, they frequently butted heads with Microsoft. When they were first acquired, their new owners tried moving them into one of their standard, boring offices but Bungie refused, and when they eventually did move in, they just tore the walls out and made it an open space. They don't do business casual, they had extremely fun company wide events like the Pentathlon (bring it back) and lots of fun little bits of culture about them. Hell, just take a look at their Happy Halodays post card and you'll see the personality and celebration of their work oozing out of it.
Halo can't work without Bungie. You need that Chemistry. And it's a shame 343 is made by people who absolutely loath Halo to the bitter end.
@@BladePocok No surprise there. Making the Chief the focal point was never a good idea.
6:56 That's probably the worst part. The smile on his face shows exactly where his priorities lie. These guys shouldn't have gotten the rights to Halo
It really takes all my restraint to not type harsh insults about those corporate buttheads. "Yes! I love it." Ugh
I felt like it was more of a "I have to pretend to like this shit even tho it clearly is shit" kind of a smile.
Pure cringe
@@MultiMarvelGeek I want to hear what you have to say about them
Bungie are a bunch of money-hungry whores! So suck it ever play Destiny? Bungie lost the rights to Halo for good reason. I hope they lose their company soon as well.
Who doesn't like spending more money to customise your game? Imagine if you had everything already unlocked, then none of the skins would be interesting but instead just reflect on your personality instead.
AND IDGAF ABOUT YOUR PERSONALITY, MATE!
the moment they had a quick time event... I knew... Halo was gone..
The Pie yea!!! i whas like: "really a qte? fk you 343" then i go to Destiny
sooooo literally less then 5 min into halo 4? lol
Royal Raptor yip, face to face with an even uglier brute with an energy sword
hahahahaha
The Pie yeah the moment where you have to climb an elevator shaft and then throw an elite over the edge in halo 4.
Hearing Marty’s beautiful crowd singing 8:26 the halo themes always give me chills. No digital crap like 343. Just pure, honest love for a game.
The funniest part about this is that they forgot about what made Master Chief a great character. Steve Downes said it best he's a Clint Eastwood type guy who doesn't talk much but when he does we remember his one liners. It's ridiculous that the Chief needs to be emotional about everything it doesn't fit his character to doubt his role as a soldier I think that was stupid since it never was about him being super deep he's a cold blooded hero and that's whats cool about him.
Spartans have been chosen, trained and augmented to have little emotion.
I think it allows the player to experience their own genuine emotions based on the events in the game, instead of being led by the character, because the whole point of the game is that YOU are the character
@@RVGENomini Bungie wanted to go for that but I felt like it made him seem more like a tough grizzled veteran. I don't really feel like I'm him and don't want it to be like that.
@@spideyseth chief showing no emotion allows you to provide it for yourself, placing you into the character. that's on you if you didn't do that. if chief was cracking jokes and hyperemotional you'd be stuck following along because the emotion is given to you instead of by you
its as if they didnt realize that part of chiefs charm is how almost comically badass he is. and all the marines who are overly excited about shooting dead guys and doing a Mcflip in a warthog. the scaredy marines in halo 1, 2 and 3 were mere comedic value but 343 would make chief one of them
Bungie: *Crafts tons of realistic, fun and unique weapons*
343: PIZZA SKIN LOL
to have more fun lets add the popcorn gun from halo 3 (assault rifle)
i would've liked pizza skin in halo 3 though
@@stan5794 stfu
@@stan5794 stfu
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5:49
"Not halo 2, not something in the middle, but to make it"-
"Call of Duty, Black Ops III!"
And this is how Halo died :'(
Jameson Doane that's not at 5:48
Damn. That was sensitive.
5:49. Fine.
Jameson Doane damn actually i think my video was loaded strangely the last time i watched it, at 5:48 they were talking about the trip mine for me, but now it's the "make it blops 3" scene
Jameson Doane also btw i found that 5:45 was the best time to start it. That way, you catch the full quote
When will Activision buy halo?
Seeing Joesph Staten get removed the other day hurts because they really brought him back to be used as a puppet for pr just to move him
Good Devs:
"I dont know if this is good enough, but this is my best"
Other Devs:
"It's Epic, revolutionary, and will change the way you play games forever"
This
"ambitious" is the biggest red flag, its like saying "there is a high probability this wont work"
@@protercool8474 "halo 5 is the most ambitious campaign to date"
Has the shortest and worst campaign in the entire franchise.
343:
“This R awsim, it R betur than secks. Can we haz money now?”
Wow, that’s so true!
Did 343 say that there's a clear need for weapon skins. SMH
Real gamers don't give two shits what we look like so long as the game is fun. I'm playing kirbys super star for fucks sake lol. You don't exactly have character customization and you don't look like a knight in shining armor but who cares??? It's fun! That's all that matters.
"there is a clear need for $kins there.. "" 😉
Hey guys we need more items in the game, what the easiest, most cheap way to sell them? Loot boxes. Ok but we still need more shit, ok just copy png of pizza and put it on BR. Excellent idea! Who needs custom skin creators anyway! Who needs forge on month 1 of release not already installed on the disc that's already over 60 gigabytes! Pshh custom map file share? What's that? Mini games? Let's reuse forge made maps because making polished developer made maps is too much work. Also let's make every armour, every gun, every vehicle as uninteresting as possible! Reskins and recycling is what we do best!
I'm a real gamer dude. I don't care about shit but good times
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yeAh im SuCH a gaMeR
I miss split screen games... guess that's what laptops are for now
Gears of war and borderlands m'man
JARXAVIER2112 2 games are not enough... especially since Borderlands get old pretty quick
Ryan Ciesiolka Well pc has old PlayStation ports right?
Switch ;)
Halo wars 2 and Halo 6 will. other have Splitscreen it's confirmed
"Master Chief is a human, not a robot"
He is BARELY human.
The sheer amount of biological and technological augmentations that went in to making him have significantly altered his emotional and logical reasoning. In the books it was pretty much spelled out that he was programed mentally by his military training and then the slew of hormones and tech they put in him set that training in stone. His frickin nervous system is connected to his suit and an AI.
He has slightly more empathy than Robocop.
No Nicki, he is not "just a human".
He's essentially a t 800 with some humanity in him
Makes sense in halo 1 - 3 the game basically makes you feel like a walking weapon of war
Not only that but Chief also had good friends, a dry sense of humor and was sarcastic sometimes, got mad, etc. Even though he had all of that augmentation done to him, he was still human. He was sutble when showing his emotions (he's military, for Odin's sake, I expect him to have a handle on his emotional state). Honestly, he kinda reminded me of sone of my family and family friends that served in the military. Calm, reserved, etc.
He's a boring character
It would be acceptable to start showing his human side from Halo 4 onwards; new trilogy and all. Shame they took away the catalyst for it (Cortana's death) and threw everything under the rug.