How To Talk To Mormons
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- Опубліковано 3 гру 2024
- Pastor Jeff Durbin (Apologia Church) spoke at the 'Is Mormonism Christian' event on the north shore of Oahu. This video is from the Q and A session. We learned that Latter-day Saints on the island encouraged one another not to attend the event. Christians came from all over the island. Only one Mormon showed up.
This is the video footage from when he came up to ask a question.
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Have you tried learning the gospel from them?
We are not called to “accept” any doctrine. We are to pursue Truth and sound doctrine.
“we” as in mormons? if so you should… keep digging
As a former Mormon myself, Mormonism is NOT Christian, in any way.
Peter, I agree with you. We are saints as in the New Testament.
Thanks for leaving on your own...we would have thrown you out eventually.
Ex-Mormon here. It's completely satanic!
Amen! As a Mormon that statement really bothered me because I couldn't understand why not but now I do. It's not Christianity. It's different.
Amen
Great job! I just spent last night speaking with a Mormon. When I share the gospel I rarely ever offend the person. I’ve been blessed to share with Muslims, Jews, Catholics and many atheist and most of the time they are astonished by the message of grace. However, all these other cults from USA where instead of denying the Bible, instead twist it to mean something else, 100% of them get offended when I speak with them. I don’t know how one can possibly witness the truth to one of these cults without first defining terms, which sadly entails unraveling and making the distinction between God of Bible with their belief. In so doing they feel attacked and become defensive. Last night, I’m sharing the gospel with a person whom I invited to live at our home since he was fired from his job, a person we are providing for out of love for him, and I’m reading verses and when I read and had him read Galatians 1:8-9 he turns to me and explains how I am witnessing all wrong, and how I have a personality problem and I don’t have any friends because I’m offensively telling others about Jesus. I asked what he meant by that? And he said “like going into a gas station the other day. You walked in and within 2 minutes starting talking to the clerk about Jesus. It’s too much! You’re basically walking around telling everyone they are wrong and you are right and this is why no one likes you Sam.” Ha! I started laughing and thanked him profusely. He looked at me and asked, “you like this? You’re basically annoying everyone.” I smiled and replied, “Oscar, I am so in love with Jesus and to hear you say I tell everyone about this love and who the one true God is, that is the greatest compliment I could ever receive. I honestly had no idea I was even sharing the gospel that much. You think I am trying to convert people and I need to change my strategy because I’m being offensive, but what you don’t get is I’m not selling anything. What you are really observing is the work of the one true God through me. It’s not my message that’s offensive, it’s His message! If I’m sharing this with others it’s simply a byproduct of of my live for Him. In a small way it’s similar to how I love to talk about my son’s soccer team and all his soccer games with others, because my son is awesome and I love that kid!” If that offensive, it’s only because they aren’t on the team.
Your so right I had shared some biblical truth with my mormon inlaws and they totally twisted everything I was saying to suit there beliefs which go against the word of God and then they ended up cutting me off. We will just have to keep praying for them 🙂
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What pastor Jeff was displaying is basically the same as the video I just posted above. What is important we don't go in with guns blazing and just get the basic gospel (good news) to them. Leave the rest to God.
I’m Catholic ✝️
@@Jrce11 There are many believers in Jesus Christ within the Catholic church. But, Catholicism has bad doctrine and can be heretical. My entire family on wife's side are Catholics--she's from Peru. They believe in Jesus and most don't pray to that woman statute scripture calls Jezebel, and the catholic organization calls "Mary". If you believe Jesus is God, died on the cross for your sin, was buried and rose from the dead, then you are saved and I'll worship along side of you in heaven;). But, if your faith is in something else like: being a good person, confession to a priest, or some other intercession such as false idol worship of "mary" or some other "saint"; and not on Christ alone, then your faith is not in the God of the bible. This is true for everyone: catholics, protestsnts, Jews, etc. Something that really helped me was reading Revelation chapters 2 and 3, the letters to the 7 churches. These 7 churches are a prophetic timeline of church history. Now 90+% teach simply that they were 7 literal churches on a mail route in asia minor, and they may have been. But I submit the intent is far greater and when tested, they HAVE to represent the 7 churches in church history over last 2,000 years. If not, they make no sense! Plus, if they're not a prophetic timeline of church history, then they at the very least just so happen to perfectly match the entirety of church history so far. So, eitherway, they speak of churches throughout history. Why they dont make sense if they were simply 7 churches on a mail route is 1) Why is "smyrna" the only persecuted church? Why didn't those being persecuted simply move down the road to one of the other churches? Heck, they couldve just walked to one, they were on a mail route! But why are they being singled out and not Ephesus, pargamous, etc.? Nobody has an answer, because they arent simply just historical churches on a mail route! 2) If they were simply letters to historical churches on mail route in Asia minor then scripture is in error. That should cause major alarm in Christendom! But, instead Christians refuse to address this error. What's the error? Jesus, dictating to John, uses the emphatical particle in the greek, write to "THE" 7 churches in Asia minor. So if there are more than 7 churches (and we know there were a lot more. In fact, these were insignificant churches at the time) then scripture is in error. But, if 7 represents divine completion, and Jesus is writing to all churches in church history, then He is writing to "THE" complete church age. Error resolved. And for further study, simply look at the names and words used in Greek. Smyrna (where we get myrr, used for embalming the dead) is persecuted church. We see that early on in church history. That's when saints and early church fathers lived, whom many were persecuted and died for their faith in church history. People like Polycarp, who was burned at the stake, and Justin the Martyr. That went until Constantine put an end to it and then made all of rome become christian. But the romans were not christian, they worshiped roman gods, including their sun god. That's when we see a lot of paganism entering christianity. Well, after smyrna we have "pargamous" which in the greek means "mixed marriage". From this, we see the first pope and birth of catholicism. Next letter in revelation 2:18 is then "Thyatira" and that is to the catholic church as a whole, and you can read what God says to that church. Thyatira in greek is comprised of two root words and that mean "continual sacrifice", where we see the Eucharist, which is not just a meal but a SACRIFICE, taken continually. But bible is clear, the Lord's supper is to be done in rememberance of what He already did for all humanity, once and for all! Catholics confuse this, twist scripture and take things out of context and suggest we are to partake in this meal as a metaohorical sacrifice. That is in biblical and heretical. Hebrews 6:6 addresses this. The book of hebrews is to the Jews regarding yet future temple worship, but applies here also. The reference to the doctrine of the Nicolaitins is greek for select few (nico) over the people (laity). It is those select few rulers who claim authority of scripture and rule of the people. That is the catholic church, and God will not have man over His word, he hates that. Finally, Jesus addresses what Catholics call "mary" who is not mary but that soirit woman "Jezebel". There is only one church in all of history that has any form of mother worship, so again this letter has to be to the catholic church. But the good news is that it is one of the 7 churches! And there are believers there. And Jesus does have good things to say to it. They do a lot of good in the world. Heck, I even help support a small orphanage run by the catholic church in Peru. People are amazing! So Im not in the least against Catholics. Jesus is addressing the organization as a whole. And he does state the church is going into the 7 year tribulation, but all believers regardless of church are exempt from this. The very next church is the reformation: sardis. In the greek sardis means "separated". In that letter, Jesus has nothing good to say. Repeated in this letter is the word "names" which in greek is literally where we get our english word "denominations." God says they are dead. And you go by any mainline denominational church today and almost all have rainbow flags flying above the cross. They are spiritually dead. Then we have Philadelphia, which is the missionary church. The time in church history of hudson taylor, jonathan edwards, etc. Not sure exact dates in history but there was a time up until maybe 40-70 years ago where missionaries were spreading gospel like wildfire! Yes this goes on today, but nothing like back then. This can also be many non-denominational churches that uphold scripture as the ultimate and final authority. That's why we switched to one of these churches. And when we first went there I spoke to pastor about errors I heard in one sermon. We went through scripture, he acknowledged his error, and corrected it. Wont find that at any denominational nor catholic church. Finally we come to Laodicia. On the other end of spectrum from doctrine of nicolaitins, where few rule over the people, Laodicia is when the people rule and scripture is used to appease the laity. That is the social gospel and many of these big mega churches with pastors flying around in their fleet of private jets. This is the church age today and there are no more churches after. Next is the tribulation period and we are very, very close!
I am an exmormon. As a mormon we were taught not to question or search out to find out teachings of the church that were not directly from mormon leaders because you would be influenced by anything or something satanic that would of course be against the church. However, thank God my dad did seek out and actually read the Bible with a Christian pastor. Hallelujah. Thank you for the caring way you speak to people so they will listen. I pray they do but technically what you say for them to do goes against their religion so it may not be effective taking that approach. But your peaceful loving approach may work all in its own because that's probably all that pulled them into mormonism in the first place. Disparity for compassion. Hopefully a hunger for knowledge and truth will stir an appetite to find that in the real truth, the Bible, the Holy Spirit and the God of the Bible- a spirit God John 4:24, not a physical man God with a son that is the brother of Lucifer as taught in mormon doctrine. The Bible is the infallible Word of God. Mormon Doctrine is a deception interpreted from evil spirits appearing as an angel of light.
You have been beguiled by Satan's works in men if you truly were LDS and left. The God of the Bible indeed has a body of flesh and bone or a man is NOT the image and likeness of Him. Why?? because a man is not a spirit only. :>)
Man is the image and likeness of Him. Him or God to me is different from what you understand Him to be. Him being Elohim, the name in itself means the plurality of the Godhead. Elohim is not what you say the single name for one physical being. The plurality of the Godhead is God the Father who is Spirit, Jesus the Son who took on a physical body in the Old Testament Genesis 18:2, Gen 18:13 he is called The Lord (when said here is Jehovah which is the Son), Judges 6:11-24 Gideon is greeted and "the Lord" turned to him, again, the Son of the trinity here; Exodus 3:2-6, the Angel of the LORD declares Himself to be God from the burning bush to Moses with the use of the title “I Am.” Jesus claimed that title for Himself in John 8:58. Jesus by saying He was “I Am” was the great Yahweh, also known to us today as Jehovah God.; The 3rd is the Holy Spirit who is the 3rd person in the trinity also a spirit as God the Father.
So we were created in the physical image of what the Son took on, we have the attributes of the Father which are creativity, holiness, love,
I don't trust or follow the teachings of a man who says what to believe about the Bible and a religion that says the Bible contradicts itself. I believe the Bible is the infallible Word of God and I am not afraid to study it for myself.
And as far as my mormonism roots go, way to far. I was raised in the church, went to seminary, my father held the priesthood and was a member of the Elders Quarum.
*"I am an exmormon. As a mormon we were taught not to question or search out to find out... blah-blah-blah"*
I don't believe that. I've been LDS probably longer than you've been alive, and no one has ever tole me I couldn't question, or search, or find out. I've done all three.
Debra Gordon Boy.... the spammers have itchy fingers. I have already replied to your post once. In short.... Elohim is singular for the Father's name and it is also plural for those who are GOD.
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14 For this cause I bow my knees unto the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,
15 Of whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named,
JediMormon Well thats what i was taught throughout the 70's, 80's and 90's- all through primary and youth seminary and doing temple work
Thank you Pastor Jeff. The simple and powerful truth explained with the love of Lord Jesus.
Video starts at 2:47 The "question" goes on for a while.
Bro there doesn't appear to be an active member of the church to me. Maybe he grew up LDS, but he doesn't speak like a Mormon. Active members sound almost universally the same. We do not say praise the Lord in normal speech. We do not say "do I hear an amen" ever.
Nothing is wrong with that Mormon saying "do I hear an Amen". But you are right, I have never heard a Mormon say that inside the LDS Ward. About 50% of Mormons are in different stages of inactivity. So if a somewhat active/inactive Mormon, or a Mormon who questions Mormonism, asks a question at the LDS Ward, during Sunday School or the Elders Quorum meeting, that question or the way he spoke in the LDS Ward should not be put down (as you saying no one ever says an "Amen"). Nothing is wrong with saying an "Amen". The LDS way of dressing or the LDS mannerism/culture should not hold someone back for an odd LDS person who wishes to participate in the LDS Ward or when they ask a serious question at Church.
I agree with your excellent observation regarding this fake imposter Mormon.
I would add the following. . .Only one "Mormon" showed up? Hardly. . .this is obviously a "plant" hired by Pastor Jeff Durbin to create a very convenient and completely biased dialogue. Anyone who claims to have been a member of the Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter Day Saints for 30+ years would not look, talk or act like this person.
BTW I"m in NO WAY, a Mormon HOWEVER many of my close and long time friends are members of the Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter Day Saints. Occasionally from time to time, I have attended some of their church meetings and/or other non-religious activities. Over the years, I have closely observed their demeanor, their speech and interactions with each other and towards those (like myself) who are not of their faith. Their standards and basic beliefs seem to echo in many ways the teachings of JESUS CHRIST as found in the Gospels of Matthew & John. They "Come, Follow Me" as JESUS commanded in Matthew 19v21 ; they do their best to "Keep My Commandments" as JESUS commanded in John 14v15 ; they 'Have Love For One Another" as JESUS commanded in John 13v34 & 35.
At 6:20 Pastor Jeff Durbin asks ". . . which Jesus? . . ." Then at 7:12 he mentions ". . . the Bible says blah blah blah . . ." I would recommend the following advice: If you are to be wise then you are already aware that the Bible is not a person, nor an author and the Bible can not speak or write anything. . . Therefore if you are to be wise you would be certain to ask Pastor Jeff Durbin who is speaking or who is the author of the specific verse he is quoting to you from the Bible.
Furthermore, anyone who has read or studied from the Bible is aware that NOT all verses in the Bible are the Word of God (i.e. God or Jesus speaking). . . A helpful resource for Bible Study Online is at biblegateway.com This website is dedicated to the Holy Bible and in mere seconds you can find what you are looking for! Biblegateway also has most of the translations of the Bible.
Many "Christians" are really Saulotians. . .they claim to follow Jesus BUT they and their leaders are most often quoting scripture from Saul of Tarsus (aka the Apostle Paul). Saul of Tarsus was the author of 13 New Testament books from Romans thru Philemon. Saul of Tarsus was NOT one of Jesus' original 12 apostles and after the death of Judas Iscariot he was NOT chosen by the 11 original apostles to be named as the new 12th apostle and according to the holy scripture, a righteous man called Matthias became the replacement apostle. Please see Acts 1v26.
Anyone who deliberately and consistently quotes from the 13 Bible books authored by Saul of Tarsus (namely: Romans-1&2 Corinthians-Galatians-Ephesians-Philippians-Colosians-1&2 Thessalonians-1&2 Timothy-Titus & Philemon) is quoting Saul of Tarsus; who was a wicked man and NOT God or Jesus. His followers are known as Saulotians and they believe Saul of Tarsus' words are equal to the Words of God and/or Jesus.
But you do say blacks are cursed
he said his mum is catholic
@@RoundenBrownHebrew Israelites call their own people cursed because they don’t follow the laws of God, so what’s the difference.
Thank you Apologia Studios and Pastor Jeff. Your videos teach me more and more about the Mormons, and how to witness to them. I recently stumbled upon a book regarding fundamentalist folks of that faith, which you may be aware of. I'm only slightly into it, but it is a compelling read: "Under the Banner of Heaven: A Story of Violent Faith," by Jon Krakauer. Thanks for all your street ministries, whether with Mormons, JWs, Abortionists, et.al... your stuff is fantastic!
Mormonism is contradictory to the Bible, yet Mormons carry both books around.😴
There is not a single teaching in the entire Bible that Mormons do not follow. Temples are in the bible, but most churches do not follow that teaching. 12 apostles were in the bible as the head of the church, and mormons are the only ones who have that. What do you have to say for your own religion not doing that?
Joseph Smith added verses after Genesis, chapter 50 to include himself as if God mention him in the Bible. Genesis chapter 50 only has 26 verses.
@cindybin2001 So are we saved/ made righteous by faith in Christ alone through faith? Yes or No? Your answer will show if you know the truth.
@cindybin2001 Because normally LDS believe that we have to do works to get to heaven.
We have the same vocabulary but mean different things. The Bible regards salvation as a complete gift of God and we can do nothing for it. Nothing. No works. Yet a very important Leader of LDS said in his book, that this heresy developed, that you only have to believe in Jesus Christ and his Death on the Cross for salvation.
And the Bible is enough (2 Tim 3,16-17). There is no need for another testament. Revelation 22, 18-19 sais that everyone who takes or adds something to the bible, his name shall be taken out of the book of Life-> lake of fire
Christians believe in the Trinity. We believe in God the Father, God the Son, God the HS. We do not believe that God was once a man and became god. There is only one God, none before, none after (Isaia 43,10). Man cannot become God. It's impossible.
I believe that Joseph Smith is a false prophet. There are numerous prophesies of him, which weren't fulfilled. False Prophets were killed in the OT (Deut 18,22)
So I just want to show the differences. Jesus is not the brother of lucifer, rather he is the Word made Flesh. He is God in the flesh.
@cindybin2001 Wow! So good to hear! Im really glad! I just want to say one more Thing. Jesus sais in Joh 3,3 that we need to be born again. What does that mean?
1. Recognize that you are a sinner in front of a holy God
for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, being justified as a gift by His grace through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus;
Romans 3:23-24 NASB
bible.com/bible/100/rom.3.23-24.NASB
2. Believe that Jesus died on the cross for your sins and that his sacrifice alone is enough! And it is! :) and ask him for forgivness. If we do that God forgives us! (1. John 1,9)
Now I make known to you, brethren, the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received, in which also you stand, by which also you are saved, if you hold fast the word which I preached to you, unless you believed in vain. For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, and that He was buried, and that He was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures, and that He appeared to Cephas, then to the twelve.
1 Corinthians 15:1-5 NASB
bible.com/bible/100/1co.15.1-5.NASB
If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1 John 1:9 NASB
bible.com/bible/100/1jn.1.9.NASB
3. Turn from sin although that is something God does for us, not we by ourselfs (God freed me of Computer game addiction, just an example, sth I couldnt stop myself)
Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,
Romans 5:1 NASB
bible.com/bible/100/rom.5.1.NASB
I will pray for you.
Honestly that guys doesn’t even know who he is
Pray he relies on Christ
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He knows who he is. What he was trying to relate is, when you get down to it, the most important thing at the end is, a person is to Love God, not the Christian denomination one belongs to. So don't look at the name (Mormonism, Catholicism, Jehovah Witness, etc.), look straight to Jesus. That is what the guy was trying to relate.
I agree completely with Jeff that language is the main barrier between us (LDS/Mormons) and other Christians.
Most of what he says in his response afterward is either folklore, misunderstanding or misleading. He plays on the classic "other Jesus" trope which is not only offensive but reduces god to an idea. The whole point of the first guy was the God transcends religion.
President Hinckley said they had a different Jesus.
Yes, we need to love everyone even those who do harm to us. But for the sake of our salvation, we must believe in the true Gospel which is in the Holy Bible alone. Christianity is not a tradition wherein you just go to church on Sunday and that's it. "Christians " is what they call us people who follow Jesus Christ and that is because He is the way, the truth, and the life. No one goes to the Father except through Him. So it is either Jesus is wrong and your religion is right or Jesus is right and all other religions that teaches a different Gospel is wrong because for sure there can only be one truth. I love you so please read the bible alone.
“And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.” [Rev. 22:18-19]
If someone adds some words especially some books that is not of the bible then it will be between them and God. The book of mormon is not of the bible and if you follow the bible then there should be no contradictions.
@@strongtower9237 Read the whole quote in context. I mean, that's what you would expect others to do with the Bible right?
@@strongtower9237 Perhaps, but in context he meant that they (LDS) Know him more intimately - and other sects only know a few basic things. (So when they hear about "more details" - it alienates them, and they call him "another Jesus"). However there is only one Jesus (just different details around him) Most of which are agreed upon though, which again is the most important anyway.
Hello brother Jeff, I want say God bless you!! you are a bless man to God be the glory I thank our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ on how he is using you, I would like to know, are you planning to come to Newyork City?
Good is life, evil is spiritual death and sin is the harm we do that makes us evil.
For either we chose to be grateful and are harmless, or sinful pleasure is our desire.
For either we are a pacifist vegetarian and give all to the poor, or guilty as sin.
im learning alots from watching your videos ! thank you so much for this and God bless you so much
Pastor Jeff - Thank you - you said it well - I am a biblical Christian (former RC) and am sharing my (gospel based) biblical faith with some young Mormon people. I love the fact that they are seeking a relationship with God. Obviously it is imperative that we are worshiping the correct God (the Father) and the correct Jesus - otherwise our worship is in vain.
So grateful to see a former world class martial arts expert so humbly present the truth of who Christ really is.
"Do I hear a amen?" *crickets* 😂😂
Ailín Ó'S 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
"an Amen"
I know. But bless his good intentions
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I love the Which Jesus . I felt strongly to share that the next time a Mormon approaches me .
There is only one Jesus. Just different ways of interpreting or seeing Him.
Sarah Kay There is only one Jesus, and if you reject the eternal truths that he has restored in these latter days, then you do not believe in the Jesus of the Bible. But I will be fair. Jesus Christ ministered among the Jews for three years and the Bible says that he constantly taught his doctrines in the temple. The Bible tells us that “all the people” went to hear Christ’s doctrines in the temple. Please tell me all of the doctrine that he taught in the temple.
“In that same hour said Jesus to the multitudes, Are ye come out as against a thief with swords and staves for to take me? I sat *daily with you teaching in the TEMPLE,* and ye laid no hold on me.” - Matthew 26:55
“And when he was come into the *TEMPLE,* the chief priests and the elders of the people came unto him *as he was teaching* and said, By what authority doest thou these things? and who gave thee this authority?” - Matthew 21:23
“And Jesus went out and departed from the *TEMPLE.* - Matthew 24:1
“And Jesus entered into Jerusalem and into the *TEMPLE.* - Mark 11:11
“And they come again to Jerusalem: and as he was walking in the *TEMPLE,* there come to him the chief priests, and the scribes, and the elders.” - Mark 11:27
“And Jesus answered and said, while he *taught in the TEMPLE,* How say the scribes that Christ is the Son of David?” - Mark 12:35
“And he *taught daily in the TEMPLE.* But the chief priests and the scribes and the chief of the people sought to destroy him.” - Luke 19:47
“And it came to pass that on one of those days, as he *taught the people in the TEMPLE* and preached the gospel, the chief priests and the scribes came upon him with the elders.” - Luke 20:1
“And in the day time he was *teaching in the TEMPLE;* and at night he went out and abode in the mount that is called the mount of Olives. And *all the people came early in the morning to him in the TEMPLE,* for to hear him.” - Luke 21:37-38
“When I was *daily with you in the *TEMPLE,* ye stretched forth no hands against me: but this is your hour and the power of darkness.” - Luke 22:53
“Now about the midst of the feast Jesus *went up into the TEMPLE and taught.”* - John 7:14
“Then cried Jesus *in the TEMPLE as he taught,* saying, Ye both know me, and ye know whence I am: and I am not come of myself, but he that sent me is true, whom ye know not.” - John 7:28
“And early in the morning he came again into the *TEMPLE,* and *all the people* came unto him; and he sat down and *taught them.”* - John 8:2
“These words spake Jesus in the treasury, as he *taught in the TEMPLE:* and no man laid hands on him; for his hour was not yet come.” - John 8:20
“Jesus answered him, I spake openly to the world; I ever *taught in the synagogue and in the TEMPLE,* whither the Jews always resort; and in secret have I said nothing.” - John 18:20
The twelve apostles taught Christ’s doctrines in person for forty years. Paul, James, Peter, John, and Jude wrote their letters and epistles to saints who already knew the doctrines that had been preached to them in person.
Anyone relying on the Bible alone will not know any of Jesus Christ’s doctrines unless those doctrines are mentioned in a letter or epistle, or in one of the short biographies of Christ, none of which contain his teachings in the temple. Direct revelation from God would be the only way to restore Jesus Christ’s true doctrines, the doctrines that were taught in his Church when Israel was gathered for the first time.
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*Just different ways of interpreting or seeing Him*
God didn't create confusion and that sentence alone means there is confusion about who Jesus really is. NO!
Is there different ways of interpreting or seeing GOD? It is pure blasphemy to suggest that GOD or Jesus come in different forms, this is what Oprah Winfrey teaches that there are many different paths to God. No.
Jesus said He is the Way, the Truth and the Life no one comes to Father except through Him. This is not up for interpreting or visual. This is FACT.
By adding this idea, you allow those that are Muslim, Buddhist and any other religion that acknowledges Jesus as being part of His kingdom.
No. John 8:24 tells me that unless you accept Jesus is the only ONE WAY and that HE IS GOD, then you will die in your sins.
There isn't any wiggle room in that verse. And there are no excuses by adding additional words to the Bible to force your personal interpretation.
@@georgebauerschmidt5289 Mormons believe in the Jesus that created the heavens and the earth. The Jesus that was born in Bethlehem, raised Lazarus from the dead, healed the sick, gave the sermon on the mount, died on the cross, and rose from the grave. Sure Mormons might believe some things about Jesus that are not true, but that doesn't mean they are talking about a different person. They got the right Jesus but perhaps the wrong details about him.
For instance, assume you know my hometown, my face, skin color, religion, age, career, height, and that my father is named Matthew. If someone else knew all those things but thought that Sam is my father, you wouldn't say that this person is talking about a different Jordan; you would say that he doesn't know who my real father is.
@@jordannewberry9561 if someone thought "Sam" was your father that's just a mistake, not a belief. If they BELIEVED Sam was your father, then perhaps they are talking about someone different.
Your example doesn't hold up.
Mormons BELIEVE that Jesus is a brother to Lucifer. The Bible teaches us that Jesus created everything making that belief impossible unless it was a DIFFERENT Jesus.
Mormons BELIEVE that God is a man. The Bible teaches us that Heavenly Father is a spirit (John 4:24) and only Jesus is fully GOD and fully MAN. Mormons BELIEVE that Heavenly Father was born and therefore not eternal. The Bible teaches us that Heavenly Father is eternal, even so does Moroni 8:18 therefore not only a different Jesus but a different GOD, a different salvation and a different gospel.
Mormons are not Christians until they accept the Bible is 100% pure inspired truth by the Holy Spirit.
When I saw this pop up on my UA-cam suggested videos I thought is said “how to talk to a moron”, 😮😂
I believe in being polite and respectful, such as I was to the two young ladies who came to my home yesterday while I was pulling weeds in my rock garden. They will inevitably always ask you what church you attend (if you tell them you go to church). Do NOT answer! politely respond that you are not at liberty to discuss that. They asked bout my siblings and family and where they lived. I did not divulge any details, that's just common sense. Besides, they did not produce any definitive proof that they were from the church in the first place. I obviously do not believe in Mormon religion at all, but maintained a rather stoic presence whenever they call.
As for myself, I don't mind speaking up, telling them what religion I am, and also making a discussion about my faith, religion or what I believe in.
Why do you not tell them?
Is there a way to get in touch with you?
I would love to talk with you Jeff! I've watched all your Mormon videos, it's been a blessing to me. thank you.
Time is money. Jeff makes tons of money fighting against The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. If he had only 20,000 subscribers to his website joining him in the fight, Jeff would rake in more than $1.6 million per year.
His youtube channel has 50,000 subscribers, and he uses every youtube video to push "All Access" on his website, which states,
"Sign up for Apologia All Access and receive access to every TV Show and After Show ever, plus all the Apologia Academies for a minimum donation of just $7.95 a month.
"Subscribe yearly with a minimum donation of only $83.40 per year ($12 off the monthly plan)."
*Here are some google reviews of his "Apologia Church" in Tempe, AZ.*
Hannah A.M.
"I wish that they lived what they preached. There's a lot of knowledge here in Jeff. The others are just followers. Jeff's downfall is that he is not humble, he is arrogant and belittling. He does not have love for his brothers. He accuses innocent people (namely MINOR children of now ex-members of Apologia Church). He almost broke up a family. He is wrong on so many levels. I pray he repents. I have been to this church several times, I will never go again.
Jony Pickles
"The teachers here are false. They are very sincere in their teaching in a way to make you believe, but don't fall for it. Jeff the ring leader is a man with Calvinistic views (which are unbiblical and teach God hates his creations TULIP) who will tell you why he's right and you're wrong. They say they care for your salvation as a ploy to get your money. They care more about the hits on their UA-cam videos than they do about the welfare of your souls. As a concerned Christian of the area I hope whoever reads this will go to a different church. Christ will not be found here."
amber htw
"This place is a cult, not a church. Rampant misogynistic views & hate fueled sermons from a wackjob pastor who only cares about $$$. They don't follow the Bibles teachings, and openly harass women & children due to sexism. Oh, and attack mormons for no reason. Literally any church would be better than this one, it's a breeding ground for the Alt-Right Neo-Nazis. Not even kidding."
David Green
"The land this church occupies would provide more benefit to society as an undeveloped lot that pays property tax than the horrifyingly insane activities it members participate in."
And not only that but they twist every turn very frustrating but let not your frustrations turn to anger♥️
Jeff, I love to see how God is using you.
How can I get my hands on a few of the pamphlets you hand-out to mormons?
Hi Sam, ask any Mormon..... he or she would gladly give you theirs. Know what's better than pamphlets to minister the Saints?? Some good accurate Bible reading and comprehension. You'll find that they will agree with you then. :>)
Jeff's words are those of Satan. Be careful.
@@hayteren Jeff's words are from the Bible, which if you dissect it, give specific contractions to Mormon philosophy and the Book of Mormon. Jeff is able to stand face-to-face with any Mormon, and explain their faults in their belief, which most Mormons can't stand up to.
@@harrisonlapahie3483 Some of his words of from the Bible. Many of them are twisted. And he's 100% wrong about what we believe. That's what makes him such a devilish liar sadly deceiving many...
@@hayteren how is he twisting Gods word by reading straight from the Bible, reciting straight from the Bible? Isaiah 44:6-8. He loves using Isaiah 43:10 as well. And you can’t argue with those scriptures. Joseph smith is the devilish liar. Who was arrested for Occultism in 1826.
Jeff please do one for Jehovah’s Witnesses
I agree with you, however, mormonism gets more attention because it is incredibly false in every way, and to top it off they swear they are right and everyone else is wrong.
@@cb11368 and Jehovah’s Witnesses do the same but their cult is even more insidious because it looks so much like a 'normal' group without the weird voodoo magic that Mormons believe. JW's also use only the Bible (their own) and not some extra book and they also are very strict about abiding by the Bible where as Mormons often criticize the Bible for not being "translated correctly".
The biggest problem with BOTH groups is they use the BITE model to hold members hostage with their Behavior, Information, Thoughts and Emotion. Using this technique, these cults often cause anyone that belongs to them for even a year a lot of mental issues that are difficult to break even after they leave.
@@H.T.2forever the Bible alone verifies that these cults are not scriptural and its so easy to debunk both cults when using the entire Bible to verify the contradictions and the many changes that both cults introduce to modify the 'rules'.
Any group that also cries out "they are the one true religion" screams of cult as Jesus never once introduced the idea of a 'religion' and there is only one path to the Father and that is through Jesus. Any other method is a cult.
If a Mormon tells you that you MUST be a Mormon or that you MUST be a Jehovah's Witness to attain the utmost glory, then we are following a different gospel and Galatians 1:8-9 makes it very clear that another gospel is cursed.
@@H.T.2forever the Bible is the sole standard when used as it was written and not modified by corruption. Anyone that alters the Bible must be of corruption to create their own agenda.
If the JW's follow *ALL* and every Bible verse, why do they ignore all the parts of the Bible that talk about the Heaven and Earth being completely destroyed and a brand NEW Earth and Heaven being created. That agenda doesn't fit in the storyline so these very specific words are modified to be "figurative" and not literal.
But here is a verse that JW's ignore completely and do not follow at all. Luke 21:8
When you see that the JW's have a history of claiming "The Time is at Hand" even going so far to write a Book called "The Time is at Hand" then you can see, you must "get away from, flee from and leave those that make such statements. But since the JW's organization still exists, then it's obvious that Luke 21:8 is the one verse that is completely ignored.
So you are lying when you state "meet all the criteria outlined in scripture"
@@H.T.2forever my proof is Colossians 1:16 where the word "other" was added to the book. Also, in the Old Testament, the word "apostate" was added in multiple locations which is odd since "apostate" is a GREEK word and should not be found in HEBREW text the same way we would not expect to see "Adios" or "Que Sera" in the U.S. Constitution.
The Bible is very clear and written multiple times that GOD will destroyed the physical HEAVEN and physical EARTH completely with burning fire to destroy both and start fresh with a brand new one that will exist AFTER the Millennial (1,000 Year) Reign of Christ. See Revelation 21 for just one reference (there are many more).
Luke 21:8 is about the false people that claim the "End is Near" which JW's have been falsely wrong over 10 times now (and counting). The fact that you choose to ignore Luke 21:8 means you are a cherry-picking organization as such because otherwise, you can't exist. The passage about Luke 21:8 has nothing to do with the earth being destroyed, you are creating a fallacy on purpose. It doesn't work.
Also, JW's dont' truly understand Revelation as they interpret Armageddon to be "imminent" and therefore must find a way to survive it. That's so funny as Armageddon comes AFTER 7 years of Tribulation which has not even begun. And if you read Revelation, 1/3 of mankind, trees, water, etc. will be destroyed before Armageddon even comes along. Most people will DIE before Armageddon even starts by the many harsh judgments listed in Revelation.
It's obvious you are just angry because you have been fed so many lies and now you are caught showing your lack of Bible knowledge and Luke 21:8 has caught you with ignoring it and the alteration of the Bible with adding words has revealed false teaching. I feel sorry that you continue to choose to believe it as it means that HELL will be your final destination for ALL eternity where there is endless torture, agony and despair. There is no way out and no parole. You will be confined there forever because you did not TRUST that Jesus was all you need.
There is still time to search the way MILLIONS of others who have found the way OUT and followed Luke 21:8 which you have scribbled OUT of your Bible on purpose because it contradicts everything you stand for.
The Mormons that I have known are actually very good people and very friendly and helpful.
Lori Hone does not make them right or saved. The Devil loves a counterfeit.
@@pionus3651 Define right.
Define saved.
Not everyone is of your religion.
That's because we follow the teachings of Jesus Christ. Plus there is a culture of helping others. It is like having another family.
Many "Christians" are really Saulotians. . .they claim to follow Jesus BUT they and their leaders are most often quoting scripture from Saul of Tarsus (aka the Apostle Paul). Saul of Tarsus was the author of 13 New Testament books from Romans thru Philemon. Saul of Tarsus was NOT one of Jesus' original 12 apostles and after the death of Judas Iscariot he was NOT chosen by the 11 original apostles to be named as the new 12th apostle and according to the holy scripture, a righteous man called Matthias became the replacement apostle. Please see Acts 1v26.
Anyone who deliberately and consistently quotes from the 13 Bible books authored by Saul of Tarsus (namely: Romans-1&2 Corinthians-Galatians-Ephesians-Philippians-Colosians-1&2 Thessalonians-1&2 Timothy-Titus & Philemon) is quoting Saul of Tarsus; who was a wicked man and NOT God or Jesus. His followers are known as Saulotians and they believe Saul of Tarsus' words are equal to the Words of God and/or Jesus.
@@pionus3651Jesus says otherwise Matthew 7:20
First read the thumbnail as "How To Talk to Morons" 🤣
How many times can a "Prophet" be wrong and live? Zero. That disqualifies Joseph Smith
Only if he was DELIBERATELY wrong, as in, he knew he was not giving any revelations from God.
I recall all Prophets from scriptures who where actually called by God to be murdered for preaching Truth. Sounds like Jospeh Smith was a True Prophet of God
Djew V The problem is that he presented a false god. Deuteronomy 18...
PaulSterling Not sure bout that, if anything he clarified who God was and is and thats the thing, if man cannot comprehend the character of God then they DO NOT comprehend themselves.
Djew V “Clarify who God is”? You say this man “clarified who God is” by denying things God Himself said about Himself? That is just fallacious.
He perverted who God is and made a god unto his own image. Good things we have the faith once for all delivered to the saints. (Jude 1:3).
When is the "next debate" or discussion with Kwaku?
Beautifully handled, Jeff.
First, how did Joseph Smith know to restore the doctrines and ordinances from the Bible, such as the doctrine of the premortal existence, the true nature of God, the gospel being preached to the dead, baptism for the dead, and many others
when such doctrines and ordinances were not being taught by other contemporary churches of his time?
Why was Joseph Smith the only one to discover them and restore them?
Even if he is considered a theological genius, were there no other such geniuses in the 1,800 years following the Savior’s ministry who could do likewise?
Second, if this Church is not Christ’s Church, then why does this Church have the same fruits as Christ’s original Church, namely, miracles and gifts of the Spirit, current revelation from apostles and prophets, angels and visions, a healthy people, a moral people, a missionary-minded people, and a people who are intensely family centered? Did not the Savior give the test for truth?-“By their fruits ye shall know them”
(Matthew 7:20).
Certainly, many more questions on cross-examination could be asked.
James Mccluskey
Woah
why was it only moses who received the ten commandments? I dont know because Joseph smith was a prophet thats why. come on really? are christians really this dumb?
Here is the problem with that man's philosophy, if you truly love God with all of your heart, soul, and being, you will stand for the truth and seek the truth. You don't accept all the lies and false doctrines. If you truly love God, you cringe when you see someone in error. God has grace over this man though. I hope he does find Jesus (the truth).
He already has found Jesus, who is the truth.
Joseph Smith said God was once a man. Do you know who created the Mormon god who was once a man? Why don't Mormons worship the Creator?
Faye Lewis I only know one God and His name is the Great I AM.
Faye Lewis And of course I believe in Jesus. The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit to be exact. Jesus is Word made flesh. The name above all names. I don't believe a word from Joseph Smith. But I believe in every word that comes out of the mouth of God.
Are you referring to Pope Durbin 1. I agree with you. He could be a mighty servant for the Lord but he needs to repent.
@@richardchristianson2823 I pray all Mormons repent from praising a man that has no power over our salvation because only Jesus does. Only Jesus died so that our sins can be forgiven. Joseph has no impact on my eternal life.
Until you understand John 8:24 that Jesus is God you will die in your sins. I hope you repent of this idolatry of an evil man like Joe before that day.
I pray all Mormons do that.
Why is this dude so against Mormons? What did they do to him?
He is not anti Mormon. He is pro truth. He lives in Arizona where whole cities are in bondage to the lies of Mormonism.
He simply challenges mormon theology. This isn't anti mormon. He challenged mormons to look for themselves instead of only reading what's given. To expand horizons. This isn't wrong. I, as a Christian hope to one day read the book of Mormon as it will give me better understanding to the whole controversy. And if mormonism is true, it will hold up under speculation. If you can't challenge, how do you know it's true? So challenge it and see if it's true.
@@strongtower9237And Satan isn't anti-God, he's just pro-evil. Lol
LDS is the one true church. Satan spends much more effort on us than on Jehovah's Witnesses, etc.
Alma 30:39
Now Alma said unto him:
“Will ye deny again that there is a God, and also deny the Christ?
“For behold, I say unto you, I know there is a God, and also that Christ shall come. And now what evidence have ye that there is no God, or that Christ cometh not? I say unto you that ye have none, save it be your word only.
“But, behold, I have all things as a testimony that these things are true; and ye also have all things as a testimony unto you that they are true; and will ye deny them?
“Believest thou that these things are true? Behold, I know that thou believest, but thou art possessed with a lying spirit, and ye have put off the Spirit of God that it may have no place in you; but the devil has power over you, and he doth carry you about, working devices that he may destroy the children of God.”
This guy 100% does not sound LDS. They do not say praise the Lord, can I hear an Amen, refer to Heavenly Father as God etc.
Jeff left CHRISTIANITY, THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER DAY SAINTS, now a PROTESTANT & up for riches & honor.
*Prayer in the Book of Mormon:* “I say unto you that ye must pray always and not faint; that ye must not perform any thing unto the Lord, save in the first place ye shall pray unto the Father in the name of Christ that he will consecrate thy performance unto thee, that thy performance may be for the welfare of thy soul.”
“And I pray the Father in the name of Christ that many of us, if not all, may be saved in his kingdom at that great and last day.”
The Savior said, “Therefore ye must always pray unto the Father in my name;
“And whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, which is right, believing that ye shall receive, behold it shall be given unto you.
“Pray in your families unto the Father, always in my name, that your wives and your children may be blessed.”
“And the twelve did teach the multitude; and behold, they did cause that the multitude should kneel down upon the face of the earth and should pray unto the Father in the name of Jesus.
“And the disciples did pray unto the Father also in the name of Jesus. And it came to pass that they arose and ministered unto the people.
“And when they had ministered those same words which Jesus had spoken-nothing varying from the words which Jesus had spoken-behold, they knelt again and prayed to the Father in the name of Jesus.”
“Wherefore, my beloved brethren, pray unto the Father with all the energy of heart; that ye may be filled with this love, which he hath bestowed upon all who are true followers of his Son, Jesus Christ; that ye may become the sons of God; that when he shall appear we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is; that we may have this hope; that we may be purified even as he is pure.”
“I am mindful of you always in my prayers, continually praying unto God the Father in the name of his Holy Child, Jesus, that he, through his infinite goodness and grace, will keep you through the endurance of faith on his name to the end.”
Concerning the Book of Mormon, Moroni wrote, “And when ye shall receive these things, I would exhort you that ye would ask God, the Eternal Father, in the name of Christ, if these things are not true; and if ye shall ask with a sincere heart, with real intent, having faith in Christ, he will manifest the truth of it unto you, by the power of the Holy Ghost.
“And by the power of the Holy Ghost ye may know the truth of all things.”
These verses and more are in the Book of Mormon. The Book of Mormon truly is a testimony of Jesus Christ and has been brought forth by the power of God in these latter days. Anyone who believes these words from the Book of Mormon (and I know these words are true) should contact the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints to speak with the missionaries and find out for themselves that the gospel of Jesus Christ has been restored in these latter days.
Thank you for all the work you put into this response. I must respond by saying that prayer is worthless if you are praying to a god who is not there. I respect your beliefs and your passion for the truth, but your Jesus is a different person than Jesus the Messiah.
*Jesus the Messiah:* “A prophet would the Lord God raise up among the Jews-even a Messiah, or, in other words, a Savior of the world. And he also spake concerning the prophets, how great a number had testified of these things, concerning this Messiah, of whom he had spoken, or this Redeemer of the world.
“Wherefore, all mankind were in a lost and in a fallen state, and ever would be save they should rely on this Redeemer.
“And he spake also concerning a prophet who should come before the Messiah, to prepare the way of the Lord-
“Yea, even he should go forth and cry in the wilderness: Prepare ye the way of the Lord, and make his paths straight; for there standeth one among you whom ye know not; and he is mightier than I, whose shoe’s latchet I am not worthy to unloose. And much spake my father concerning this thing.
“And my father said he should baptize in Bethabara, beyond Jordan; and he also said he should baptize with water; even that he should baptize the Messiah with water.
“And after he had baptized the Messiah with water, he should behold and bear record that he had baptized the Lamb of God, who should take away the sins of the world.
“And it came to pass after my father had spoken these words he spake unto my brethren concerning the gospel which should be preached among the Jews, and also concerning the dwindling of the Jews in unbelief. And after they had slain the Messiah, who should come, and after he had been slain he should rise from the dead, and should make himself manifest, by the Holy Ghost, unto the Gentiles.”
“For he is the same yesterday, today, and forever; and the way is prepared for all men from the foundation of the world, if it so be that they repent and come unto him.”
“Wherefore, redemption cometh in and through the Holy Messiah; for he is full of grace and truth.
“Behold, he offereth himself a sacrifice for sin to answer the ends of the law unto all those who have a broken heart and a contrite spirit; and unto none else can the ends of the law be answered.
“Wherefore, how great the importance to make these things known unto the inhabitants of the earth that they may know that there is no flesh that can dwell in the presence of God, save it be through the merits, and mercy, and grace of the Holy Messiah, who layeth down his life according to the flesh, and taketh it again by the power of the Spirit, that he may bring to pass the resurrection of the dead, being the first that should rise.
“Wherefore, he is the firstfruits unto God, inasmuch as he shall make intercession for all the children of men; and they that believe in him shall be saved.
“And because of the intercession for all, all men come unto God; wherefore, they stand in the presence of him, to be judged of him according to the truth and holiness which is in him.”
“And the days of the children of men were prolonged, according to the will of God, that they might repent while in the flesh; wherefore, their state became a state of probation, and their time was lengthened, according to the commandments which the Lord God gave unto the children of men. For he gave commandment that all men must repent; for he showed unto all men that they were lost, because of the transgression of their parents.”
“And the Messiah cometh in the fulness of time that he may redeem the children of men from the fall. And because that they are redeemed from the fall they have become free forever, knowing good from evil; to act for themselves and not to be acted upon, save it be by the punishment of the law at the great and last day, according to the commandments which God hath given.
“Wherefore, men are free according to the flesh; and all things are given them which are expedient unto man. And they are free to choose liberty and eternal life, through the great Mediator of all men, or to choose captivity and death, according to the captivity and power of the devil; for he seeketh that all men might be miserable like unto himself.”
“Behold, they will crucify him; and after he is laid in a sepulchre for the space of three days he shall rise from the dead, with healing in his wings; and all those who shall believe on his name shall be saved in the kingdom of God. Wherefore, my soul delighteth to prophesy concerning him, for I have seen his day, and my heart doth magnify his holy name.
“And behold it shall come to pass that after the Messiah hath risen from the dead and hath manifested himself unto his people, unto as many as will believe on his name, behold, Jerusalem shall be destroyed again; for wo unto them that fight against God and the people of his church.”
“As the Lord God liveth, there is none other name given under heaven save it be this Jesus Christ, of which I have spoken, whereby man can be saved.”
“For behold, did not Moses prophesy unto them concerning the coming of the Messiah, and that God should redeem his people? Yea, and even all the prophets who have prophesied ever since the world began-have they not spoken more or less concerning these things?
“Have they not said that God himself should come down among the children of men, and take upon him the form of man, and go forth in mighty power upon the face of the earth?
“Yea, and have they not said also that he should bring to pass the resurrection of the dead, and that he, himself, should be oppressed and afflicted?”
These are just a few of the multitude of testimonies of Jesus Christ in the Book of Mormon. To learn more, contact the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints to speak with the missionaries. They will bring you a Book of Mormon so that you can read it and decide for yourself if it is true. The Book of Mormon truly is a testimony of Jesus Christ and has been brought forth by the power of God in these latter days.
Thank you again for your thoughtful response. Respectfully, your Jesus is a means to an end. My Jesus is my end.
It's funny you mention contacting the LDS Church because I am meeting with two Mormon missionaries next week.
May God bless you and your whole family.
*Unshaken faith:* “And I heard a voice from the Father, saying: Yea, the words of my Beloved are true and faithful. He that endureth to the end, the same shall be saved. And now, my beloved brethren, I know by this that unless a man shall endure to the end in following the example of the Son of the living God, he cannot be saved.
“Wherefore, do the things which I have told you I have seen that your Lord and your Redeemer should do; for, for this cause have they been shown unto me that ye might know the gate by which ye should enter. For the gate by which ye should enter is repentance and baptism by water; and then cometh a remission of your sins by fire and by the Holy Ghost.
“And then are ye in this strait and narrow path which leads to eternal life; yea, ye have entered in by the gate; ye have done according to the commandments of the Father and the Son; and ye have received the Holy Ghost, which witnesses of the Father and the Son, unto the fulfilling of the promise which he hath made that if ye entered in by the way ye should receive.
“And now, my beloved brethren, after ye have gotten into this strait and narrow path, I would ask if all is done? Behold, I say unto you, Nay; for ye have not come thus far save it were by the word of Christ with unshaken faith in him, relying wholly upon the merits of him who is mighty to save.
“Wherefore, ye must press forward with a steadfastness in Christ, having a perfect brightness of hope and a love of God and of all men. Wherefore, if ye shall press forward, feasting upon the word of Christ, and endure to the end, behold, thus saith the Father: Ye shall have eternal life.
“And now, behold, my beloved brethren, this is the way; and there is none other way nor name given under heaven whereby man can be saved in the kingdom of God. And now, behold, this is the doctrine of Christ and the only and true doctrine of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, which is one God without end. Amen.”
These are just a few of the multitude of testimonies of Jesus Christ in the Book of Mormon. To learn more, contact the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints to speak with the missionaries. They will bring you a Book of Mormon so that you can read it and decide for yourself if it is true. The Book of Mormon truly is a testimony of Jesus Christ and has been brought forth by the power of God in these latter days.
*Jesus Christ is Our Judge:* “Repent of all your sins and iniquities and believe in Jesus Christ that he is the Son of God, and that he was slain by the Jews, and by the power of the Father he hath risen again, whereby he hath gained the victory over the grave; and also in him is the sting of death swallowed up.
“And he bringeth to pass the resurrection of the dead, whereby man must be raised to stand before his judgment-seat.
“And he hath brought to pass the redemption of the world, whereby he that is found guiltless before him at the judgment day hath it given unto him to dwell in the presence of God in his kingdom to sing ceaseless praises with the choirs above unto the Father, and unto the Son, and unto the Holy Ghost, which are one God, in a state of happiness which hath no end.
“Therefore repent, and be baptized in the name of Jesus, and lay hold upon the gospel of Christ.”
“And he shall rise the third day from the dead; and behold, he standeth to judge the world; and behold, all these things are done that a righteous judgment might come upon the children of men.”
“Wo, wo unto him who knoweth that he rebelleth against God! For salvation cometh to none such except it be through repentance and faith on the Lord Jesus Christ.”
“And now, ought ye not to tremble and repent of your sins, and remember that only in and through Christ ye can be saved?”
“And these things doth the Spirit manifest unto me; therefore I write unto you all. And for this cause I write unto you, that ye may know that ye must all stand before the judgment-seat of Christ, yea, every soul who belongs to the whole human family of Adam.”
“And for this cause have I been lifted up; therefore, according to the power of the Father I will draw all men unto me that they may be judged according to their works.
“And it shall come to pass that whoso repenteth and is baptized in my name shall be filled; and if he endureth to the end, behold, him will I hold guiltless before my Father at that day when I shall stand to judge the world.”
“And whosoever will harden his heart and will do iniquity, behold, I swear in my wrath that he shall not enter into my rest.”
These are just a few of the multitude of testimonies of Jesus Christ that are in the Book of Mormon. To learn more, contact the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints to speak with the missionaries. They will bring you a Book of Mormon so that you can read it and decide for yourself if it is true. The Book of Mormon truly is a testimony of Jesus Christ and has been brought forth by the power of God in these latter days.
I’m Mormon and I’m respectful of all religions because it’s only about teaching and being open to every ones beliefs I don’t believe in force I believe in being open to every ones opinions
But there is only one way to heaven.
Yes, we need to love everyone even those who do harm to us. But for the sake of our salvation, we must believe in the true Gospel which is in the Holy Bible alone. Christianity is not a tradition wherein you just go to church on Sunday and that's it. "Christians " is what they call us people who follow Jesus Christ and that is because He is the way, the truth, and the life. No one goes to the Father except through Him. So it is either Jesus is wrong and your religion is right or Jesus is right and all other religions that teaches a different Gospel is wrong because for sure there can only be one truth. I love you so please read the bible alone.
“And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.” [Rev. 22:18-19]
If someone adds some words especially some books that is not of the bible then it will be between them and God. The book of mormon is not of the bible and if you follow the bible then there should be no contradictions.
This person is part of an organisation that taught that Black people we're cursed BY god until 1978. Don't trust them.
People, get your egos out of the way!
There is no 'one size fits all' when it comes to spirituality.
Amen.
Please do one for seventh day Adventists!
What's your thoughts about sda?
@@reboottheroot7803 100% a false teaching and false gospel, I was raised SDA for 27 years. It’s just a LOT more subtle than Mormonism which is a lot worse. They are better at camouflaging with Christians
@@bbsvchic what theology did you feel was in error? I'm very curious* I'm not SDA BY THECWAY)
@@reboottheroot7803 so there’s a lot lol but the main things would be their doctrine of the cleansing of the heavenly sanctuary and the investigative judgment. It started with the false date setting of Jesus coming back Oct 22, 1844. Obviously that didn’t happen So instead of just repenting and admitting they were wrong, which a lot of the followers back then did, there was a select few including a woman named Ellen White who was having visions, who basically started teaching that they “didn’t get the date wrong they just got the event wrong.” She said in a vision she saw Jesus had moved from the holy place in the sanctuary in heaven to the most holy place for the first time (that’s significant) therefore beginning the “second phase of the atonement” (they don’t believe it was totally finished on the cross,) and it was in that day of October 22 that he began what’s called an “investigative judgment”. Going through all the sins of confess believers straight back to Adam, making sure that they confessed their sins and are upholding the law of God. Even a handful of unconfessed sins woild have their weight in them being saved or lost. It goes even deeper - they say that the law of God created before human beings and was actually in heaven also, they elevate the law so highly above everything including Jesus himself because they say that he came to earth to show us that the law can be kept to prove Satan wrong, because Satan accused God of making the standards of the law too high. But Because Jesus kept the law perfectly, Ellen White the prophetess, teaches that we ALL, with the help of the Holy Spirit, can keep the law perfectly especially the sabbath and this is actually required for salvation in the end.
They also believe Satan is the anti-type of the scapegoat in the day of atonement from Leviticus 16 and they believe that all the sins of everyone will be placed on him at the very end, basically playing a final part in the atonement process. Total and utter blasphemy. and I really didn’t know a lot of these teachings even though I was raised an SDA, because a lot of churches are now more evangelical and they don’t like what some of what Ellen white teaches, but the fact is the Adventist church has never renounced these teachings, they uphold this belief in their 28 fundamental beliefs and they still uphold Ellen as the spirit of prophecy. and they still very much so cling to them and teach them in all their Sabbath school lessons, their schools, many sermons etc. and especially their end time prophecy events.
The difference in doctrine always boils down to interpretation of the Bible. The same arguments by the anti-Mormon can be used to condemn Christianity in general. The same science that says no Mormon angel, no gold plates, no revelation from God, also says no parting of the sea, no walking on water, no resurrection from the dead. The same standard of proof, and argument, that says Joseph Smith was a conman and criminal, can be said about Jesus as well. Anti-Mormons are masters at kicking against the pricks.
Hi. I like to troll too
Interesting choice of word: “Anti-Mormon” sadly, it’s used often though.
Nothing that Pastor Jeff has said in any of his videos preaching about Mormonism is “anti-Mormon.”
Rea Ality
Please tell me, do you believe Smith when he said:
vol. 6, p. 408-409
Address of the Prophet - His Testimony Against the Dissenters at Nauvoo.;
“I have more to boast of than ever any man had. I am the only man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days
page 409
of Adam. A large majority of the whole have stood by me. Neither Paul, John, Peter, nor Jesus ever did it.”
This was an interesting video! I'm working towards being baptized into the Mormon church and I've left the Baptist church that I had attended for a while. My family doesn't support my beliefs and it's hard since I come from a more than less Baptist background.
Anne c do not go there. Read the Bible only! Listen to you tubes Greg Laurie for a start.
Hi Anne, just wondering what your journey looks like now :)
The church is true but very fews will have the ability know. The bibles says very few shall find it. Am among the few
I know that Jesus cannot lie and he keeps his promises when he said that he would restore his Church in the last days. That church is The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. It is the only Church that Jesus is using to bring to pass the end time fulfillment of Bible prophecies or promises. No other Christian denomination has ever claimed the fulfillment of these prophesies.
Matthew 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
Revelation 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
Matthew 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
The fulfillment of prophecy
Amos 8:11
¶Behold, the days come, saith the Lord God, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the Lord:
Then there is a restoring of his word
Act 3: 21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.
Revelation 14:6
And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,
The Angel had to go to some one. Who? Joseph Smith is the only person that has received an Angel with the everlasting gospel
fulfillment
Matt:16
18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
Ephesians 4:
11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
Micah 4:1
But in the last days it shall come to pass, that the mountain of the house of the Lord shall be established in the top of the mountains, and it shall be exalted above the hills; and people shall flow unto it.
Acts 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
Matt. 17:
11 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias truly shall first come, and restore all things.
12 But I say unto you, That Elias is come already, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they listed. Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them.
13 Then the disciples understood that he spake unto them of John the Baptist.
John the Baptist prepared the people when Jesus first started teaching the gospel and he also help prepared Jesus second coming. ( D&C 13: 1)( JSH 72)
Mal.3:
1 Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the Lord of hosts.
Who is this messenger? Who will prepare Jesus’s second coming? What temple?
Mal. 4:
5 ¶Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord:
6 And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.
(Who will Elijah go to, this has to happen before Jesus comes?) (D&C 110:13)
Fulfillment
Isa. 29:
11 And the vision of all is become unto you as the words of a book that is sealed, which men deliver to one that is learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I cannot; for it is sealed:
12 And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned.
(JS History 64) Fulfillment
13 ¶Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men:
(Jesus fulfilled this prophecy when he talked to Joseph Smith in the grove JS History 19)
14 Therefore, behold, I will proceed to do a marvellous work among this people, even a marvellous work and a wonder: for the wisdom of their wise men shall perish, and the understanding of their prudent men shall be hid.
(This is being fulfilled in which you can read it in the D& C 4: 1, 6:1, 11:1, 12:1, 14:1,
Matthew 18:16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
The Book of Mormon is a fulfillment of Bible prophecy, it is the second witness of Jesus Christ.
Ezekiel 37:16 Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim, and for all the house of Israel his companions:
Ezekiel 37:19 Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, even with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand.
Fulfillment The Bible and the B of M are one in mine hand.
Revelation 5:1 And I saw in the right hand of him that
sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside,
sealed with seven seals.
Has this scripture been fulfilled ? How will you know?
How important do you think it is for all of Jesus ‘s prophecies from the Bible to be fulfilled. They are not fulfilled in the Catholic Church. Born again Church, Lutheran Church, Protestant Church not even the Exmormon Church has claimed any fulfillment of these examples I have given you.
Sooner or later you will have to make a choice between accepting The Church of Jesus Christ of Later-day Saints is the true Church that Jesus is using his Church or you can ignore Jesus and his promises and one of his promises is forgiveness oops do you really want do ignore this one.
The Book of Mormon is historically, archaeologically, and biblically incorrect and contradicts the word of God. Compare it. Instead of trying to be right, focus on what is right.
The book of mormon was written by a man who believed God was once a man and that I myself as a mortal man can become a God. That is a false doctrine and should be refuted by a Bible believing individual.
Morgan Westbrook
Isa. 29:
11 And the vision of all is become unto you as the words of a book that is sealed, which men deliver to one that is learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I cannot; for it is sealed:
12 And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned.
(JS History 64) Fulfillment
The book they are referring to is the Book of Mormon. I know that Jesus can not lie and always keeps his promises. No other Christian Denomination has claimed any fulfillment of the prophesy.
The Book of Mormon is a fulfillment of Bible prophecy, it is the second witness of Jesus Christ.
Ezekiel 37:16 Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim, and for all the house of Israel his companions:
Ezekiel 37:19 Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, even with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand.
Fulfillment The Bible and the B of M are one in mine hand.
+Paul Reed If you had ever read the Book of Mormon, you would know that there is no way Joseph SMith could have made up that book.
lindalds
I've actually read the Book of Mormon.
I believe the Bible is the word of God ( 2nd Timothy 3:16-17) and that Gods word is eternal and everlasting (Luke 21:33). I believe that the Book of Mormon is wrong because it is an addition to the Bible (proverbs 30:5-6 & Deuteronomy 12:32) I believe Joseph smith is a false prophet that taught we people can become gods one day and that god was not god from all eternity: "we have imagined and supposed that God was God from all eternity. I will refute that idea......" this is a false teaching (Isaiah 43:10) these things alone are enough biblically to refute the Book of Mormon.
A typical universalist Mormon... however he does not say that Joseph Smith, the person he has sworn to uphold, was first to attack all of Christianity, the Gospels, The Good News, the person of the Christ, the Godhead and all professors of the faith...
That was some of the most empty anti-Mormon Christian rhetoric I have ever listened too. His words literally had no meaning behind them, it amazes me that anyone even showed up, let alone comes back for another meeting. Not only did he totally ignore the guys heartfelt belief and conviction of god, but flat out tells him he's wrong and needs to reconsider his believes. This is not how you "talk to Mormons." Mormons KNOW what they believe, and your words are not going to convince them. You simply talk to them and put your damn money where your mouth is. By their fruits ye shall know them?
Adam Cook
I hope this does make me seem arrogant in any way as it is not my intention to be so. It is not my intention to just dismiss people's experiences as unimportant or something either....I just don't think we can rely on personal experience to know the truth.
As for fruits....I am not sure....by people's fruits you will know if they have the spirit of God...this is true.........
But what of those whom Jesus turned away in Revelations, those who performed miracles etc. but were turned away because they were not in a true relationship with him?
Question:
You are mad mostly because he outright assumes that you are wrong and that he knows the truth instead of you, yes???
But don't you also assume that you are right and he is wrong and that you know the truth through studying, spiritual experiences, etc. ????
When we are convicted in our own religions don't we all assume that people of other religions are wrong?
I do wish he'd address the man's personal experiences more, but he is also just a man and cannot have all the answers. He can only really answer with what he knows. If what he knows if false then it is false....perhaps it is or at least seems, negligent or arrogant of him to assume things, believing that the man's experience has not lead him to truth....
I do wish that perhaps he would sit one on one with this man and carefully go over what he has said and think more deeply about his experiences and what they mean to him and not outright toss it away......
BUT
He cannot completely explain the man's personal experience. He wasn't there to experience it, the only thing he can use is what he knows of the Bible and what he may have studied about Mormonism. If he is wrong, then by all means, someone needs to have a conversation with him and bring up the reasons why.
This man, the one who spoke to the preacher, mostly said seemed to believe that he was right and maybe possible spiritual experience has something to do with it? However, he didn't give a Biblical backing for what he thought......
I have experienced things as well....AND people from other faiths who are not even Christians at all (Muslims, Hindus, etc. ) talk about their experiences...and I believe that many of them are true......
None of them seem to be liars and I won't assume that of any of them. The only issue is that all of our spiritual experiences have led us on different paths and our studies to make sure we have the RIGHT spirit with us, has also led people to different paths.
In terms of judging spiritual experience:
Can we rely on spiritual experience alone?
-You believe in Mormonism but I go to a church that teaches the Trinity, which is not a Mormon Doctrine, yes? I know that we have different beliefs than you do.......If you are right about Mormonism being true, would you not then believe that the Spirit that led me to my church must not have been the real spirit of God because it led me down a path that does not lead to your church??
I don't think we can make judgments on spiritual experiences lightly....or just pass off people's experiences....
If the pastor/preacher is being negligent and not really digging into what's going on and does not know enough about the man's experience.........then yes, he should not be doing that.
But how can we look at anyone spiritual experience as automatically plausible or look at everyone's spiritual experiences and believe that they lead to truth? In your eyes my experience would not lead to truth because in your life, Mormonism has been truth, while in mine it has not.
We must look to the Bible and study in order to discern the true spirit right?????
We cannot just trust spiritual experiences that affirm our faiths. There are Muslims who state that they hear the voice of Allah......what if they do????? But if Mormonism is correct....and that voice has led them far away from Mormonism and to Islam instead, and their religion is false but their experiences "prove" otherwise, then that voice must be not of God but something else, correct?
The problem is that.....this preacher does not know enough about the man's specific spiritual experiences and what he felt.......and there is really no way to figure out how to see what is right in this case, other than by Biblical knowledge..........
If we just trust the spirit that is with us, we may very well be in error. I felt God's presence in a church that believes in the Trinity..........it told me to be there, it's where I'm meant to be........
But your spiritual experience would tell you something different and we know our experiences didn't lead both of us to truth, one of us must be wrong...
It may seem negligent....but IF this man is wrong......then this preacher cannot prove that he is wrong unless he is talking about what he reads in scriptures or at least his interpretation of scriptures. Is it not possible that he might talk to this man, considering all the Mormon man knows....then prays for knowledge that it is true.........then feels something ...and then the preacher sees it as true......
When in reality it might all be false? Mormons would think that my thinking is false, and that a spirit must have tricked me, so please do not say that this isn't about me being arrogant.... I'm just saying that there is a possibility of people praying for Revelations of other religions being THE TRUTH and they could end up receiving false information from a Spirit.
If your experience felt as real as mine, then I believe you that something happened to you. But I cannot find truth in your experience based on what you felt...OR even what I felt.....but only on scripture.
If people feel other spirits telling them to do different things........and they all think the Spirit is God when it's not.......
I cannot just pray over the Book of Mormon as many Mormons ask me to......I cannot just pray for it to be shown to me that it is true..........
because even if something shows me that it is true.....as from a presence or feeling........I unfortunately, cannot rely on spiritual experiences alone. I am learning that now because other people have experiences too and not all of us can be right at the same time because our religions (meaning all religions, not just yours and mine) contradict each other.
Adam Cook for the God of this world has blinded you...2 Corinthians
Hi Ashlind,
As a person who believes Joseph Smith is a prophet I would like to expand on your knowledge of his teachings.
Joseph taught that all churches have parts of the truth in them though none had the fullness of the truth. His goal was to bring the fullness of truth together in one church and as pertains to the new wine in old skins parable, he was told that could not be done in any of the existing organizations of his time. He lamented about how difficult it was to teach the members of his time the truth and the church was put under condemnation by God for their unbelief. The current organizations that have spun out of the restoration by Joseph Smith have thus, like all the other churches, fallen into a state of apostasy.
Today's Mormonism is a mixture of truth and falsehood, just like the rest of the organizations that claim to have God's words. My understanding is that we do hold more of the truth than any other organization but are still falling short on understanding and following the fullness. I believe that the majority of the leaders who will be used by God to establish Zion will come from Mormonism and that all who come to Zion will eventually come to accept Joseph Smith as a prophet.
One of the things that Mormonism teaches is that we are sent here to learn and progress. We believe that everything that happens on this earth plays a role in God's plan. There are reasons why God has you where you are currently, if you are truly dedicated on following God no matter where He leads you then your experiences will be for your greater good. When you are ready to receive the truths revealed through Joseph Smith then He will lead you to out of your current denomination and to somewhere where more of the truth is available.
Whatever you do, keep believing Christ and do your best to understand and to follow God and His will.
God bless you in your journey.
Antony
Adam Cook i hope you are given Radical Grace and God will forgive the deception you have fallen for..
Antony den Dulk i pray that God will forgive you with radical grace For The deception you have fallen for
I can't, as a Christian, tell anyone that their religion is wrong. I acknowledge the Bible is right in the form in which Jeff interprets it when he refers to the Ancient Greek language in which it was originally written but I have a problem with any interpretation professing to be absolutely correct for obvious reasons - it was written a long time ago and may have been changed to suit those in charge at that time in history. WE just cant be sure. One thing I beleive in spite of the uncertainty around the details in the Bible, the New Testament, is that there is a God, there is a Jesus and God is the Trinity. I like your preaching Jeff when dealing with atheists and pro abortionists, the sort of logic that you use - i can relate to ie "to not beleive in God is to beleive that we evolved from a group of cells/bacteria with no reason to respect each other or have a basis for loving each other as there is no preaching to hold onto to be faithful to". I dont agree with you telling other Christians to Repent, its judgemental and that isnt what I would do as a Christian. Some religions are cults specifically JW's - is it inevitable that man will twist "the following" of people into an Org to become a cult? Is that how it will always end up? The answer is a big fat Yes based on history current and past. I worship on the periphery without a congregation because people like me are afraid of joining a cult, if we join a church. I was raised a Catholic sort of. I studied the 'Bible' with JW's. Where to next? the next cult? God help me!
Jesus said, "Follow Me." John 10:27
Acts 20:20 And how I kept back nothing that was profitable unto you, but have shewed you, and have taught you publicly, and from house to house,
21 Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ.
John 7:24 Judge righteous judgment
Search the Scriptures to see if what people are telling you is the truth.
God bless you.
The only reason for Mormons to come to this is to educate this man as to what Mormons do and do not believe, and why.
And since he thinks he knows more about what Mormons believe than Mormons do, it would be an effort in futility to show up there.
LDS have their beliefs out there for anyone to read just like any other faith. Jeff doesn't know more than anyone else that can read a book. Fundamentally, Mormons are polytheistic. That is not Christian by any strech of the imagination.
This is covered in other videos that Apologia Studios other videos.
The easiest passage that talks about this is in Isaiah 44:6 - "Thus saith the Lord the King of Israel, and his redeemer the Lord of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God." KJV quoted.
God said there are no others, not one. Also see Is 43:10, 45:21.
Compared with Joseph Smith and his teaching from the King Follett Discourses which you can read here - www.josephsmithpapers.org/site/accounts-of-the-king-follett-sermon. You can become a God (big G) like the God that made us. Keep in mind, this is revelation from Joseph Smith to the church. The paraphrase reads that we have to learn to become Gods and that Joseph will teach us how.
We could also look at Lorenzo Snow who had a revelation and heard the phrase:
"As man now is, God once was:
As God now is, man may be."
Check out this article on LDS.org : www.lds.org/manual/teachings-of-presidents-of-the-church-lorenzo-snow/chapter-5-the-grand-destiny-of-the-faithful?lang=eng
Notice that the claim you're making is around worship and not consistent with the issue of polytheism. God says there are no other Gods, you are trying to say that you only worship one God (which is not consistent with LDS doctrine as God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are all considered "Gods").
I'm going to assume "Creedal Christians" is in reference to the Nicene Creed. This does not make 3 Gods. The Council of Nicaea was held to refute the Arian heresy which taught that Christ was created (in a way, like the created Jesus of Mormonism) and essentially created two Gods.
I'm not trying to negatively portray Mormonism - I'm simply showing you the difference between what the LDS church doctrine is and what the Bible says.
Chris,
You need to understand the context of gods (little g), particularly in Psalm 82 and the fact that you are not answering the problem of polytheism as it pertains to Mormonism and its doctrine. Psalm 82 is a condemnation text for rulers/authorities being judged by God (big G).
The FairMormon response you posted mixes up little G and big G god and God. It also does not take the context of the versus into account, it is simply trying to obscure the point that as those versus point out, there is one God (big G). There are other creations, there is no doubt about that, but none of them are equal to or considered God.
As far as Joseph Smith is concerned, I am only pointing out that his claim is the foundation of Mormonism and polytheism. Mormonism is a polytheistic in nature and claims that you and I can become Gods (big G, just like God who gave us the Bible) through eternal progression and exaltation. Joseph fails the test of a prophet in Deuteronomy 18:22, so there is no doubt about his total lack of authenticity. If the Book of Mormon is the evidence of his authenticity, then why has it been so greatly altered from its original translation? I'm not talking about the grammatical changes, but doctrinal changes.
I'm not asking these questions out of malice or anger, I want you to know that I have a deep love for people in the LDS church. However, the "gospel" that Joseph Smith brought forth does not line up with Christ and ultimately leads to death
***** The test works on all of the examples you mentioned because the FairMormon argument does not pull context into the equation. God fulfilled his prophecies using the prophets as the mouthpiece in each example, The FM article about this talks about this in the "double standards" section where the prophecy in its fulfillment does not appear the exact way in which we perceived it, but only selectively applies it to support the LDS position. Context must always be used.
In contrast, we have prophecies by Joseph Smith about the return of Christ in 56 years, (History of the Church, vol. 2, p. 189), the building of the temple in Missouri in Josephs time (Doctrines and Covenants 84:2-5,31.), and others that were specifically given and dated, but did not happen. These happened when Joseph was "acting as a prophet" as you specify. There are other examples with other LDS prophets, but this highlights a huge issue where LDS members cherry pick what supports their point of view and completely ignore the LDS history and doctrine as a whole. I have had this conversation with missionaries and in real time conversation, the answer is always "I didn't know that, I'll have to do my research" or something along the lines of me being contentious.
If you want to understand how Joseph Smith could have possible made up his content, then look in his early life. You can read his mothers account of surgery and removal of bone and marrow with no anesthetic. I have no doubts he was a highly creative individual, but where that creativity ended up being used is another issue altogether. I'm open to that discussion if you want to explore it.
Doctrinal changes are not mere clarifications - a list can be seen here : mit.irr.org/changes-latter-day-scripture
The big G little g confusion is problematic for our discussion because you are omitting the words of Joseph Smith who was very specific about it our external progression and exaltation to big G Gods like Jesus and the Father. If we loop that back to our commentary about authenticity of Joseph Smith, the Book of Mormon, and the authenticity of JS as a prophet, we are still left with Mormonism being polytheistic.
*The easiest passage that talks about this is in Isaiah 44:6 - "Thus saith the Lord the King of Israel, and his redeemer the Lord of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God." KJV quoted.*
Isaiah 44: 9 ¶They that make a graven image are all of them vanity; and their delectable things shall not profit; and they are their own witnesses; they see not, nor know; that they may be ashamed.
10 Who hath formed a god, or molten a graven image that is profitable for nothing?
If you read all of Isaiah, you can see that Isaiah is not talking to Mormons who hope to be as God is, but he is talking to confused Israelites, who don't know what god or who's god to worship.
*(which is not consistent with LDS doctrine as God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are all considered "Gods").*
They are not Gods that are worshipped independently of each other. We pray to Heavenly Father, not to Jesus Christ, or the Holy Ghost.
*I'm not trying to negatively portray Mormonism - I'm simply showing you the difference between what the LDS church doctrine is and what the Bible says.*
You mean to say:
I'm not trying to negatively portray Mormonism - I'm simply showing you the difference between what _I say_ the LDS church doctrine is and what _I say_ the Bible says.
I'm sorry this guy is a slow speaker but it's the Mormon culture to speak slowly so it gives of feelings .
you are slow of mind aren't you?
Russell Edwards interesting point.
Solomon became evil and took many wives, which were from foreign pagan cultures and he built a second temple at east Jerusalem calling on the King of Tyre the anti-christ to assist in its building.
2 Chronicles 2:3 Then Solomon sent word to Huram the king of Tyre, saying, "As you dealt with David my father and sent him cedars to build him a house to dwell in, so do for me.
1 Kings 11: 6 Solomon did what was evil in the sight of the LORD, and did not follow the LORD fully, as David his father had done. 7 Then Solomon built a high place for Chemosh the detestable idol of Moab, on the mountain which is east of Jerusalem, and for Molech the detestable idol of the sons of Ammon. 8 Thus also he did for all his foreign wives, who burned incense and sacrificed to their gods.… They sacrificed children to their gods thrown into huge urns with 12 bulls around it. Bull god worship!!
The Freemasons and Mormons believe they have the secrets of the pagan temple, built by the anti-christ the King of Tyre Hiram Abiff and it is of evil, demonic origin.
Through the mormon temple ritual they are sealing souls to the devil. Baptising in huge fonts with 12 bulls surrounding it.
Just as they did in the evil pagan temple of Solomon. What do the 12 bulls represent? This is where they sacrificed children to Chemosh the evil god worship in huge vats surrounded by 12 bulls. The ancient Greeks personified Zeus, their chief deity in the form of a bull. In classical Greece, offenders were thrown into the brass Sicilian Bull to roast offenders in a cruel form of public execution. Closer to Ancient Israel the Canaanite god Baal was also personified as a Bull, as was the Assyrian chief deity Hadad. Wake up to the evil mormon religion!! IT was founded by freemasons who took their craft from the evil temple of the anti-christ King of Tyre.
The LDS are not only sealing their own souls to the devil but they are sealing all of their ancestors as well and they are collecting names of a huge part of the world to seal to the devil with secret Freemason demonic ritual. Absolutely evil with one intent and that is to seal souls to the devil.
They take covenants to be Kings and Queens and lead over principalities. satan deals in principalities.
Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. High places mentioned is temples of the LDS.
Preach the Good News. Be ready at all times, and tell people what they need to do. Tell them when they are wrong. Encourage them with great patience and careful teaching, because the time will come when people will not listen to the true teaching but will find many more teachers who please them by saying the things they want to hear. They will stop listening to the truth and will begin to follow false stories. 2 Timothy 4:2-4 NCV
Love this video
One baptism One Faith
Why did the guy behind the pulpit not say amen?
LIT!
How to talk with a Mormon?
1. Demonstrate that you understand what I actually believe -- understand the difference between doctrine and opinion.
"I understand that Mormons believe xxxxxxxx, is that correct?" Then LISTEN
2. Stop saying that we are not Christian --- "I am a Christian, and you are a Mormon" "Christian debates with a Mormon"
3. Quote LDS sources exactly and in context.
Tis a good start.
You know to question things is like not knowing the Heavenly Father and where he dwells bc of what you choose to understand in life to make life what you want it to become. If you watch things that matter most in life religion isn't about who does what it's about the connection that you share with your Heavenly Father throughout your whole life in guidance to following all things. Do you remember the movie An American Werewolf in London watching it for the first time? Yes. Of course you do. I mean I love the movie even though it's rated R and most LDS Members don't watch rated R movies bc it's against the religion but here is my point. Don't you remember when the guys were walking on the road in innocense they had no clue that there were Werewolves in the area that were on the lame trying to eat people. Soo in this walk they knew only to find peace in their journey as they left the bar they were soo caught up on that innocense treck finding peace without the thought of what was around them. Soo after the Werewolves attacked them and killed one of them the Lone survivor was still on that innocent treck still claiming peace and not waneing on the thought that he was nearly attacked and murdered by a werewolf. Anyhow my point is the man still claimed even till practically the end of the movie that he was on this innocent treck and that nothing of harm was inside of him comeing out to hurt and kill other people. See this is exactly what LDS members think and feel. They feel these inner peace and promptings from a greater influence at baptism that the Churches principle's were directly given to the church from the Heavenly Father himself and they are being led by leaders/prophets that are witnesses to personal revelation given to each leader from the Heavenly Father himself. I'm a convert to the LDS Church myself and I can tell you that I feel greater things inside of my body that are soo sacred I can only talk little about bc of their sacred connection to the Heavenly Father directly. I know these things are true and I'm being led by the holy spirit to be prompted by it to make correct choices based upon my direct connection to my Heavenly Father inside my body. All those that ask in Faith will receive that seek ernestly a faithful answer will receive a Faithful answer. I've been doing this for over 27 years now guys AND I'M TELLING YOU THE VOICE INSIDE MY BODY IS THE HEAVENLY FATHER HIMSELF THAT TEACHES ME TO EXCEPT AND LOVE ALL THINGS BC OF THE IMAGE OF THE HEAVENLY FATHER AND SAVIOR THEMSELVES.
A Mormon with a grateful heart has some hope, but an ingrate
Christion that never felt grateful in his entire life, what a wasted life.
A Mormon that doesn't believe in Jesus Christ that the Bible describes as GOD who has come in the flesh come to die for mankind so that by our faith and by His grace, we are saved. Ephesians 2:8-9 makes this clear and Romans 11:6 defines the words grace and works very easily to understand.
That is a life wasted by those that preach a different gospel such as LDS.
lindalds I can't find your post but how dare you, you have no idea of the tragedy my family went through and how very vulnerable I was! There would have been an opportunity to try to lead me into the LDS Church, and I know I was protected, then and many other times.
I told you, NO ONE is baptized into our church, who is under age, without the WRITTEN permission of the parents or guardians.
And not before they go through lessons with the missionaries, AND reading the Book of Mormon.
Now, whatever tragedy your family went through, I am most sincerely sorry, but my church would NEVER EVER take advantage of a child like that!
lindalds You still don't understand, I am not talking about Baptism. It is very complicated and I am not going to share it, just trust I KNOW God kept me from the LDS Church. And HE does so to this day. I have all I need in His true Church, which is made up of the believers in the Christ of the Bible, not of Mormonism.
*which is made up of the believers in the Christ of the Bible*
We ARE believers in the Christ of the Bible. Not the Creeds.
+Saved Swede Congratulations! You have passed Anti-Mormon 101. Your little thesis there is just a bunch of lies and deceptions.
If you want active Mormons such as myself to even THINK about taking you seriously, you must learn what it is we really believe, and why we believe it.
And before you accuse me of lying, ask yourself: What do I gain by lying?
Tricking you into joining our church? What good does that do?
I don't give a rat's behind if you NEVER believe as we do. But, if you are going to reject us, reject us on what we do and do not believe, not based on anti-Mormon propaganda and deceit.
I can correct all your lies and deceptions if you want. Or you can wallow in your igorance.
*I am a former Mormon and these are all the teachings of the prophets, seers and revelators of the gospel of Joseph Smith.*
Doesn't matter if you're a former Mormon. Former Mormons are known to lie like dogs to keep people from learning about us, or to get people out.
You are scared that you made the biggest mistake of your life by leaving, and so you want others to leave to validate your choices.
Guess what?
I've been LDS now for almost 40 years, and was protestant for 21 years before that.
So don't try to impress with "I used to be Mormon" because I AM Mormon. And I'm here to tell you, you are either totally ignorant, or you are lying like a dog.
Man this guy is lost, and totally confused, another universalist. "God loves everyone and so do I so we're all going to heaven"
If we're all going to heaven then why did Jesus say love your enemies
7:48 ❤
Can anyone know a being who created the Universe? Seriously?
I would like to speak to a mormon sister carol dobson xx
If a Mormon there hasn’t heard this obscure teaching in his 30 years of membership maybe it’s not an actual teaching of the church? Seems weird that the Mormon says “I’ve never been taught that in the Mormon church” and then this guy says “Well let me educate you about what you believe.”
A lot of Mormons know very little about their church.
Moroni 8:18 For I know that God is not a partial God, neither a changeable being; but he is unchangeable from all eternity to all eternity.
Isaiah 43.10b ... says the LORD: I alone am God. There is no other God- there never has been, and there never will be.
Do you beleeve Him?
Joseph Smith in 1844 in the King Olivet Discourse taught : “God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted man, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens... “It is necessary that we should understand the character and being of God, and how he came to be so; for I am going to tell you how God came to be God. We have imagined and supposed that God was God from all eternity, I will refute that idea, and will take away and do away the veil, so that you may see. These are incomprehensible ideas to some; but they are simple... “Here, then, is eternal life-to know the only wise and true God; and you have got to learn how to be Gods yourselves, and to be kings and priests to God, the same as all Gods have done before you...” (quoted from Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 345. On June 16, 1844, Smith went on to teach that Heavenly Father has his own Heavenly Father (History of the Church, vol. 6, pp. 473-479).
Since then, Mormonism has never been the same.
Mormons now radically re-interpret verses like Moroni 8:18 and essentially reject the original teaching that God was unchangeably God from all eternity to all eternity.
Mormons are now even in disarray and confusion over whether Heavenly Father was once a sinful mortal.
Mormonism has apostatized from its own Book of Mormon, and now Christians-who don’t even believe that the Book of Mormon is divine scripture-agree with Moroni 8:18 more than Mormons do.
It is a verse that we Christians profoundly wish Mormons would agree with. It is far more important of an issue than tithing, baptism, priesthood authority, or whether Joseph Smith was a true prophet. It concerns an eternal truth of the fundamental nature of God.
“Before me no god was formed, nor shall there be any after me.” (cf. Isaiah 43:10)
“Holy, holy, holy, is the Lord God Almighty, who was and is and is to come!” (Revelation 4:8)
It's not that other Christian denominations and Muslims have a different Jesus, it is that their understanding of Jesus is different to yours! You make it out like you have a different Jesus and yours is the only correct 1 that can "save" someone! That is very arrogant and has it ever occurred to you that your understanding might be incorrect? God won't condemn anyone for honest ignorance and he will teach everyone in his own way and time! Every knee shou bow and tongue confess that Jesus is the Christ..... eventually!
Interesting how you refer to Mormons as seperate to Christians when they are 1 of 2 churches to have the name of Christ in their name and the only 1 to have Jesus Christ in their church name!
Watch the ready to harvest you tube channel on whether Mormons, Catholics and Muslims are Christians and it will explain what the definition of a Christian is!
To that closing word, well said.
sometimes we can only find awsners to the questions only god can give. and asking god which religon is true is something only god can answer. we cant just beileve the words of men. because men can lie.
Amen! A wise man.
The Bible is God's Word for us, in it is revealed the things we need to know about His nature and how to be justified, reconciled to him. It's not about a "religion" or a church/denomination. The Bible is the final authority on what is or isn't true, and the church you attend should confirm that and teach things that agree with it, not conflict. If there's a conflict, the Bible is always right. It is the standard we've been given, we are to use IT to test for the truth in doctrines or teachings, not prayers and feelings. The Bible itself tells us that the heart is wicked and deceitful, unknowable. It is subjective, while the Bible is objective. If a church (like Mormonism) teaches there are many gods, and that God was once a man who lived on another planet who BECAME the god of this earth, then we know that conflicts with what the Bible says, which is that there is only ONE God, who has always existed, who is not a created being, who never changes. That means they are teaching false doctrine, because again, if it conflicts with the Bible, it's wrong. It's not about praying and thinking a good feeling is God telling you the Bible is wrong. God doesn't lie and he cannot contradict Himself. We have the Bible because God didn't want us to be confused, and it's not confusing, the Gospel is simple and clean, and easy to read for yourself and understand. Read the books of John, Romans, Galations, lots of answers there.
Pastor Jeff is tell members of the church of Jesus Christ what they believe but he himself does not know what they believe. Pastor Jeff is probably not someone you would ask questions on the The Church of Jesus Christ.. You would be better off asking a proper authority someone with in the The Church of Jesus Christ let say a Bishop within the church. That would be a wise way to go.
one thing I have learned when meeting with Mormons is that their weakest is the Godhead. That is where the challenge is. once you show them that their view is incorrect, and they seem that then show the rest of their church doctrine. you need to show Triune God.
Rose Virginia Tasker clearly you don’t know Mormons. Mormons believe it so much that Joseph Smith could appear before them and say I made it up and they will pause then resume their beliefs.
God is not Triune. God is One. God has always been and always will be One.
The way to explain this, man broke God down into three parts to better understand, however in doing so they limit God. Since God is and has always been God and can control everything, why could God not be Jesus God in heaven and the Holy Spirit all at the exact same time without ever needing to divide Himself?
There is no Trinity. God, Son and Holy Ghost are three separate beings.
@@scottbrandon9390 blasphemy
I need a little help, both my parents are Mormon (not me) and not just Mormon. My mothers side we are directly related to Elder Holland. And my fathers side, the same just not living. Elders and prophets of the past. I wish I could take you to my mom’s and my dad’s to help me save them.
This video is 6 years old. In fact there notes about removing the channel because of frustration with y/t.
You describe your parents but not yourself. Are you an adult, do you have any faith?
Maybe you see about getting a copy of the video?
love your method and process
Even though he lied a lot?
Hayden Van Meeteren what did he lie about?
Lloyd Lester Lloyd Lester 1. He was saying that Mormons are not Christians. There are in every sense of the word.
2. He was talking about a God with many wives. There's nothing in the Church that says that.
3. He's saying Mormons don't know know their own faith. A recent survey shows the average Mormon knows more about his own faith than every religion except the Jews. Mormons were also ranked #1on knowledge of other faiths.
4. He makes Mormons out to believe in a different Jesus.
@@hayteren i would have to say yeah were not an anity, let these main stream christians have the anity title just like we gave up the mormon title give up the chrisitanity title too, we belong to the church of JESUS CHRIST.
You don't talk to me, do you, Pastor Jeff?
Exactly as you said "his son" not myself as my son
I see you mostly speak on lds but can you do one on jw Jeff
it might be time to make a video on jeff and expose him for who he truly is.
ua-cam.com/video/vzOirKIwAF4/v-deo.html this video exposes your holy jeff might want to think about who you are listening to before you goto hell.
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I don’t see what your point is ...
Jeff why are you going around trying to publicly shame other religions ? Why are you making youtube videos to trt and prove that other religions are false ?
Thats not very christ like is it ? Surely it says in the bible that a christian should not behave in this manner
It says a lot about you and your particular religion that you need to publically shame others. Somebody who is part of a true religion created by jesus christ himself would not behave in such a mannor
Jesus told the Pharisees they were of their father the devil.
Concerned Christians do not talk to me. I talk about the Godhead, and their false doctrine of trinity falls flat on its face.
Can you elaborate a bit?
@@AldousHuxley7 Well, here is where concerned Christians should agree with me. Jesus appeared to his disciples in the upper room after his resurrection and told them, Luke 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
So concerned Christians seem to believe that Jesus has a body of flesh and bones after his resurrection, or, at least, it is in the Bible, which they claim to believe.
So then concerned Christians would have us believe that Jesus ascended to heaven to be at the right hand of the God they pray to, a being without body, parts or passions. So they would have us believe that Jesus is today at the right hand of a being without body, parts, or passions that concerned Christians tell us is God the Father, who also according to the doctrine of trinity is actually also Jesus Christ, since there is only one God. So Jesus prayed to himself, and is in the express image of this being without body, parts, and passions, Hebrews 1:3
How is a resurrected Jesus Christ in the express image of his Father if his Father does not have body, parts or passions?
Well, of course, the false doctrine of trinity came from the Emperor Constantine and the church leaders who were trying to get Christianity accepted as the state religion of Rome. A being without body, parts, or passions, not one incomprehensible, but three incomprehensibles, etc., etc.
We have the truth today.
Doctrine and Covenants 130:22 The Father has a body of flesh and bones as tangible as man's, the Son also, but the Holy Ghost has not a body of flesh and bones, but is a personage of Spirit. Were it not so, the Holy Ghost could not dwell in us.
Amen
Yes, all of Genesis! If we did not have the sin of Adam at birth, we would all be enjoying the Garden of Eden, not toiling for our food, not having childbearing pains...
Here's the thing.
We would not be ENJOYING the Garden of Eden. Because we would not know what joy is, because we would have never experienced sadness or grief.
You cannot know happiness unless you have known sorrow.
You cannot know goodness unless you have experienced evil.
You cannot know pleasure unless you have known pain.
You cannot know love unless you have known hate.
pride, greed, lust, envy, gluttony, wrath and sloth (seven deadly sins)
VS.
prudence, justice, temperance and courage (or fortitude) with the three theological virtues of faith, hope and charity (seven virtues)
@@lindalds The gods have blessed you with wisdom.
@@rhyddidroselouw3896 Thank you but I can't take credit for it! Learned this in church!
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Good morning bro
We are saved by his grace and atonement ALONG with our own faith and works!
The gospel is simply the good news that the wrath of Jehovah God is coming against sinners, BUT we can all live forever (with eternal life and eternal youth) in the Kingdom of God (to come) IF we reconcile ourselves with our Heavenly Father Jehovah God (Yahweh Elohim Allah) BY having belief and faith in Him and His only begotten son Jesus Christ Judah (8 B.C. - 33 A.D.) AND/PLUS we both the acts and works that prove that our faith is genuine AND/PLUS the grace and atonement of the Lord Jesus Christ who had died for our sins, and that he was buried, and that he was raised from the dead! The Mosaic Law of 1513 B.C. was simply a list of six hundred and thirteen (613) commandments that Jehovah God gave to the Israelites through the prophet Moses Levi (1593 B.C. - 1473 B.C.) in order for them to prove through their works and acts (by following these six hundred and thirteen (613) commandments) that their faith in their God whom is our Heavenly Father Jehovah God (Yahweh Elohim Allah) was genuine! Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ Judah (8 B.C. - 33 A.D.) simply modified and simplified (Jeremiah 31: 31 - 34) this covenant by having true Christians (his followers) follow just two (2) commandments (Deuteronomy 6: 4, Leviticus: 17 - 18): LOVE GOD and LOVE YOUR FELLOW HUMAN BEING. It is only through our works and acts (by following just these two (2) commandments) that we can prove that our faith in God through His only begotten son is real. It's a very simple equation: our faith in God through His son PLUS our works and acts PLUS the grace and atonement of Jesus Christ (Proverbs 27: 11) EQUALS our salvation. If you want to live forever and ever with eternal life and eternal youth and if you want to be reunited with your loved ones (including both family and friends) in the Blessed Hereafter, then you will have to follow the commandment of the Messiah (John 13: 31 - 35, John 14: 15 - 18, John 15: 9 - 17)!
A Christian is simply a person who worships God through the son of God.
A Protestant Christian Doctor Frank Turek (1961 - ) was asked by Christopher Eric Hitchens (1949 - 2011) "What kind of Christian he is, and who are, and who are not Christians, in his view, who claim to be?"
And the good Doctor Frank Turek responded in this manner:
"I'm a non-denominational Christian! I believe that anyone who believed that Jesus died and rose again for their sins is a Christian!" I believe that he said it best!
The presumptuous accusation by the apostle Paul (Saul Benjamin) (3 - 67) that anyone who comes to preach "a different gospel" about "another Jesus" is of Satan the Devil and is to be accursed of Jehovah God is both erroneous, fallacious, and very wrongfully judgmental to say the least:
2 Corinthians 11: 1 - 33 (1 - 15, 1 - 4)
Galatians 1: 1 - 24 (6 - 10)
JST 2 Corinthians 11: 1 - 33 (1 - 15, 1 - 4)
JST Galatians 1: 1 - 24 (6 - 10)
The gospel is simply put "the good news" about the life and ministry of our Lord and Savior even Jesus Christ Judah (8 B.C. - 33 A.D.) in that the only begotten son of our Heavenly Father Jehovah God (Yahweh Elohim Allah) had died for our sins, and that he was buried, and that he was raised from the dead on the third (3rd) day according to the Scriptures (1 Corinthians 15: 1 - 58). Each and Every Christian and therefore All Christians preach this "good news", and so therefore, all folks (including everyone) who worships God through the son of God are indeed Christians (including both Latter Day Saint Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses), and for the apostle Paul or anyone (for that matter) to suggest that any Christian who preaches "another gospel" about "another Jesus" is therefor evil and Satanic simply does not pass "the Beelzebub test" in that Satan divided against himself cannot stand:
Matthew 12: 1 - 50 (22 - 37)
Mark 3: 1 - 35 (20 - 35)
Luke 11: 1 - 54 (14 - 28)
JST Matthew 12: 1 - 44 (18 - 32)
JST Mark 3: 1 - 30 (15 - 30)
JST Luke 11: 1 - 55 (15 - 29)
The apostle Paul (Saul Benjamin) (3 - 67) of Tarsus arrogantly warned others about fearing those who preach another gospel:
2 Corinthians 11: 1 - 33 (1 - 15, 1 - 4)
Galatians 1: 1 - 24 (6 - 10)
2 Corinthians 1: 4 - For if someone comes to you and preaches a Jesus other than the Jesus we preached, or if you receive a different spirit from the Spirit you received, or a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it easily enough.
Galatians 1: 8 - But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse!
Galatians 1: 9 - As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let them be under God’s curse!
This unreasonable complaint quoted by the apostle above DOES NOT pass the Beelzebub test because both the Latter Day Saint Mormons and the Jehovah's Witnesses only praise Jehovah God (Yahweh Elohim Allah) and His son Jesus Christ Judah (8 B.C. - 33 A.D.), and if they praise God and His son then they CANNOT be at all Satanic!
Matthew 12: 22 - 37
Mark 3: 20 - 35
Luke 11: 14 - 28
JST Matthew 12: 1 - 44 (18 - 32)
JST Mark 3: 1 - 30 (14, 15 - 30)
JST Luke 11: 1 - 55 (15 - 29)
Roman Catholics, Jehovah's Witnesses, and Latter Day Saint Mormons are just as Christian as ANY Christian out there.
*Darrel* Nowhere to be found in the bible my friend, nowhere. *WE* don't do the reconciling guy...that's what *CHRIST* did for us...and by the way, it was on the *CROSS* , not in Gethsemene.
*II Cor **5:18* "And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ" It's right there guy!
What brings salvation? Why it's the grace of *GOD* not our good works; *Titus **2:10* clearly says, "For the grace of God that bringeth salvation". There are floooooods of verses that validate that and will *BURY* the teachings that flow from the Mormon church.
We (Christians) pray for you.
I have never been a Mormon but believe in the Book of Mormon. There is no polygamy, Adam God, blood atonement, or any Mormon doctrine within its pages. Joseph Smith himself never promulgated any Mormon doctrine prior to his death in 1844. Brigham Young and his associates highjacked the name of the church and changed the doctrine of the church. This was proven in the Court of Common Pleas, Lake County, Ohio on February 23, 1880. Look it up and read the transcript.
How can you believe in a Book that supposedly came from God, and reject the authority or means by which it came through prophets? If you believe Joseph Smith was a prophet, then you at least could call yourself a Mormon. Now which branch of Mormonism you belong is the question? Brigham Young did exactly what he was ordained to do by God. Was he perfect? Show me a prophet that was. He was given authority by the Quorum of the Twelve, the very Quorum set up by Joseph Smith for this exact reason. There was no hijack. There was no usurpation of power. There was simply a prescribed way that involved a democratic process of Latter-day Saints to which the majority chose and followed Brigham Young and it ended up being the closest to what Joseph Smith set up.
I know that brother. I worked with him at PCC.
So r u gonna tell us how to talk to mormans r u just preaching???
It's called an example. He isn't telling how to talk to a Mormon, he is showing you.
Humans have worship thousands of Gods for thousands of years. But don’t worry! YOURS is the right one😉
I think you guys have to wonder and question why there are “ex-mormons”. Cause I’ve been noticing all mormon comments and it’s just having that one-sided and biased heart instead of opening up to hear what the others are saying when it comes to Jesus and the gospel.
Psalms83:18KJV"that men may know that thou,whose name ALONE is JEHOVAH,art the MOST HIGH over all the earth." Note please there is but one whose name is JEHOVAH. Note also that this one is the MOST HIGH. Thus ones God is associated with two equals he is not JEHOVAH.
The bible talks about receiving revelation through the holy ghost but when a mormon receives revelation suddenly these scriptures become irrelivant. Suddenly its the devil decieving you not revelation. You cant have one rule for mormons and another for the rest of christianity
The Holy Ghost is the source of revelation. People like Jeff discount everything if it doe not fit his idea of what a Christian is. He has even called the Roman Catholic Church a cult.
Love is our father He is the Father of our spirits .no you would hurt yourself and your potential. Who is God He is our Father the Father of our spirits before we got our bodies. ..yes a bunch of people said lies about Christ .also a bunch of people told lies about the christ and one of his true prophets Joseph Smith. ..I know I know I know I know what I know to be true .no time to explain it to a find fault er .this guy reminds me of those who found fault with Christ. It is always better to look for the good .
Hi Ron, if I were to believe the LDS literature and prophets, would I have to deny anything that is said in the Old and New testament?
@@chad969No.
John8:50NIV"I am not seeking glory for myself;but there is one who seeks it,and he is the judge." Either Jesus went about trying to persuade his fellow Jews that he was the God of Israel on earth or he was not seeking his own glory. But both things cannot be true. I choose to take my Lord at his word.
Doesn’t mean Jesus was a created being. In that same book, at the very beginning it says “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the word was God. He was in the beginning with God.” (That’s John 1:1-2 ESV)
It goes on to say not only that, but God was not a created being either. It says: “All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing was made.” (That’s John 1:3)
Now the typical argument I hear from Mormons is “that’s a mistranslation”. If I took out every part of the Bible they claimed was mistranslated I’d be ripping chunks out because there are repeated concepts and truths and themes that run against their man-made Book of Mormon. Archeology supports a lot of the historical claims of the Bible. It doesn’t do that for Mormonism. Yet Mormons only use the Bible in practice when it’s convenient. They in practice tend to leave it at the bottom of the pile.
Which makes sense if we assume Mormonism is a demonically inspired lie to lure otherwise faithful Christians into damnation. Of course the actual inspired Word of God ends up at the bottom in favor or false texts. Of course God’s true power and authority is downplayed and the claim is made he was created. Of course works over faith are emphasized as the only way to salvation. What better way to make someone give up then to have them think they must do the impossible? And it serves the demons a double benefit because they can also make Christ’s work on the cross seem like a lesser thing that it was. After all if we can be saved by living righteously then why bother with the cross? But we can’t. We all fall short. That’s the point of why the Word became flesh and died on the cross and rose again on the 3rd day!
I am not a mormon. John 1:3ASV"3All things were made through(dia) him; and without him was not anything made that hath been made." The use of the greek word dia from which we get the word diameter indicates that he was the instrument JEHOVAH used in bringing forth the creation not the source of the creation.
John1:17ASV"17For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ." Just as Moses was not the source of the law but channel see strong's1223.
1John1:1ASV"That which was from the beginning, that which we have heard, that which we have seen with our eyes, that which we beheld, and our hands handled, concerning the Word of life" Note that the word is from the beginning (apo Arkhe)where as JEHOVAH is from eternity psalms90:2
John1:1ASV"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with(The) God, and the Word was God"
If you get your interlinear you will notice that the the logos was with the God not the Father according to strong's 430 the expression the God refers to the supreme God. Thus the God that the logos was with is the supreme God. Strong's also tell's us that Theos without the article 'the' can refer to princes or angels. Thus Logos was a Godlike prince who was alongside the supreme God at the beginning of the physical creation.
how to talk to members of apologia church ...
apologetics studio (church) are calvinists.
calvinists believe god created all things, and controls all things, predetermined all things,
and made all things exactly the way they are.
... thus god also created evil.
therefore since calvinists believe god created evil.
they are blaspheming against the holy spirit ... the only unforgivable sin.
calvinists also believe the only people who will be saved have been predetermined by god.
(of course ... they smugly think they are among the "chosen" to be saved
without a shred of evidence)
and since calvinists believe god predetermined who will be saved ... they have removed free will - the gift of god to humans, and removed jesus from the equation.
since god (according to calvinists) has already determined who will be saved ... (and who will not be saved) ... those who will be saved do not need christ and those who will not be saved cannot come to christ.
thus calvinists are not christians.
in fact ... calvinists are exactly like muslims in their thought process.
mormons do not believe god created evil.
mormons believe god gave every human free will.
mormons believe everyone can be saved,
because god sent jesus to take the sins of every human upon himself.
and therefor all humans who accepts christ's sacrifice can be saved.
mormons are more christian than calvinists.
Sounds like when both groups agree that salvation comes only through faith in Christs Atonement that there would be alot of common values and ideas that people could talk about. Isnt the point of coming together meant to talk about values/doctrines that you agree upon rather than quickly try and find the doctrines that you disagree with?
I dont see much benefit in declaring that one persons faith in the Trinity (3 completely separate God personalities made up of one substance) is correct and will save him while telling the another that his faith in the Biblical term Godhead (3 separate personsonalities / persons all united together as God) represents a different "Christ" and therefore has no saving value. Was that really the purpose of the Ncieone Creed Council that came up with the Trinity definition in the first place?
This seems rediculous and puts up more barriers that prevent successful friendships and ministering opportunities of how you came to accept Christs Atonement in your own life. That is, after all, where we all live each day isnt it? Focusing on the speculation, that no one understands anyway, of Gods specific nature and where he came from or what it really means to be a "joint heir with Jesus Christ" after we return to heaven; seems to distract from the very purpose of this life. That purpose is to Come unto Christ through faith. We do that by accepting his Atonement for our sins, repenting, and being baptised. This is followed by actions of keeping his commandments.
If you focus on differences only, then that applies even to other Evengelical churches or congregations who teach that believiing on the very name of Chirst will save you or that by simply reciting the Sinners Prayer will give you salvation. Many modern day Evengelical Pastors have totally rejected that teaching.
In todays world, I feel a kinship to any person who even admits to believing in God (and also admitting a need to act as God would have him act) . That alone tells me that we have something good in common.
Jesus Christ said that if you didn't believe that he was God in the flesh you would be condemned to outer darkness.
It is a big difference.
@@fayelewis5476 As with our past conversations, you say something that Christians (including member of the LDS Church) agree with. However, you say it in a way that makes others believe it is not true.
As I said above, lets focus on the things we agree on. Then if there are differences about that doctrine that we agree on, maybe sharing our different views could be beneficial .
A good example of my statement above is since the only way to get to heaven is to accept Christ as Gods Son as well as his Atonement for our sins. With that being the case, what happens to people who have lived and never had the opportunity to even hear Christs name? Certainly, God didnt create those people just to send them to Outer Darkness. I certainly am not looking to argue burt sometimes hearing our different views on this type of topic is interesting and helpful to know more about eachother.
@@outsideview9052 God never creates anyone just to send them to Outer Darkness.
All people are accountable to God whether or not they have “heard about Him.” The Bible tells us that God has clearly revealed Himself in nature (Romans 1:20) and in the hearts of people (Ecclesiastes 3:11).
The problem is that the human race is sinful; we all reject this knowledge of God and rebel against Him (Romans 1:21-23). If it were not for God’s grace, we would be given over to the sinful desires of our hearts, allowing us to discover how useless and miserable life is apart from Him. He does this for those who continually reject Him (Romans 1:24-32).
In reality, it is not that some people have not heard about God. Rather, the problem is that they have rejected what they have heard and what is readily seen in nature.
Deuteronomy 4:29 proclaims, “But if from there you seek the LORD your God, you will find him if you look for him with all your heart and with all your soul.” This verse teaches an important principle-everyone who truly seeks after God will find Him. If a person truly desires to know God, God will make Himself known.
The problem is “there is no one who understands, no one who seeks God” (Romans 3:11).
People reject the knowledge of God that is present in nature and in their own hearts, and instead decide to worship a “god” of their own creation. People are responsible to God for what God has already revealed to them. The Bible says that people reject this knowledge, and therefore God is just in condemning them to hell.
@@outsideview9052 Latter-day Saints do not believe in the Christ of the Bible. The true Christ claimed to be God in the flesh. In fact, that is why Christ was crucified. Christ was charged with blasphemy for claiming to be God.
The LDS 'Christ' is the brother of Lucifer.
This is blasphemy of the highest order.
This is one of many reasons Latter-day Saints are not Christians and have no hope of heaven.
Jesus said your sins would not be forgiven if you did not believe He was God.
John 8:19 So they were saying to Him, “Where is Your Father?” Jesus answered, “You know neither Me nor My Father; if you knew Me, you would know My Father also.”
24 Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for unless you believe that I am He, you will die in your sins.”
@@fayelewis5476 Well, there you go again, teaching that because a person doesnt accept the Trinity doctrine as developed by men in the Niceone Creed, that they wont go to heaven. Ok, so much for my request for us to discuss doctrines that we agree on like Christs univsersal Atonement.
With regard to your response, I understand that everyone is born with what we call the Light of Christ within them to help them understand basic right from wrong. That inate knowledge, intuition, or whatever you want to call it (nature according to your statement above) is good but it does not include any specific knowledge of who Christ is and the fact that only through him can we return to our Father in Heaven. Why were you so lucky to be born at a time and place where you recieved the benefit of this teaching and others werent?
It is hard to understand how you can seemly say with a straight face that people who have never heard Christs name or been taught who he is and what he did for us (died on the cross for our sins) but that somehow believe in God through nature can be saved. This while Catholics or members of the LDS Church who believe on Christs name, the biblical Godhead, and who strongly teach of his Atonement will be cast into Outer Darkness for eternity. That is a prett big contridiction if you asked me.
Hey, given you have no interest in discussing anything positive about what we agee on, lets just leave your last response as the final say on the matter. More, I am right (and going to heaven) and you are wrong (and going to Outer Darkeness) doesnt really get us anywhere anyway..
Good luck to you.
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Never argue with idiots. They bring you down to their level then beat you with experience.
I would like to a mormon carol dobson
The selected examples you cite are not Biblical, true. But is their foundation Biblical?
What is the foundation? Hope, Faith, Repentance, being Baptized by one with authority for the remission of sins, receiving the Gift of the Holy Ghost, partaking of the Sacrament regularly to remember Him.
This is the Gospel of Jesus Christ as He intended it. It’s the root of the work He would have us do. Going into every nation and Baptizing in His name.
Only taking the portion of accepting Him into our hearts is not His Gospel.
Considering Baptism to be optional is not His Gospel.
Misunderstanding His relationship with His Father is to not understand the purpose of His Gospel. The purpose of His praying and teaching us to pray. Or of Him in considering what we can become as His literal offspring, being created in the image of the Father.
It just so happens it was Joseph Smith. Maybe it could have been you. If you were called then to bring this forward. How would you have done it if God gave it to you to restore?
You’d have to obey.
You would not be believed by everyone.
You’d be persecuted.
Your weaknesses would be on display.
In the end the judgement of any one toward you would be inconsequential. As is your judgement and my judgement of Joseph Smith inconsequential.
Being that Christ called us His sheep, we graze, following our noses, following our neighbor, or the trickling water that makes its way to the brook. We know our Shepherd. But we don’t realize we have wandered if left to our own interpretation of the Bible. Though His, when we are left to the incorrect interpretation of leaders we our our fending for ourselves. Not even knowing that He has folded His sheep and when the night comes we are on our own. In which case, we bind together, following the leaders, the other sheep, wandering still. With those like us. And we are no longer of His fold. He is only a memory.
This is how we change and then we translate the Bible to suit our needs. Not intentional and not malicious.
There is a way to know of true faith in Him. Repentance sufficient to Baptism by those who have a line of authority where hands have been laid upon their heads, tracing all the way back to whom Christ laid His hands upon. We can receive remission for our sins in this way. Then we can covenant with God to keep Christ’s commandments and receive the Spirit of the Holy Ghost to guide us and lead us to blessings of comfort, revelation and discernment. We can take the Sacrament regularly and witness again our commitment and remain clean as we stay faithful.
This is the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Yes, it is Biblical. Of course it is Biblical. Yet within the Bible these truths can be rationalized away by interpretation.
Those that follow this are in His fold, securely.
I pray that anyone who reads this can challenge their church and their leaders on the basics of faith, repentance, the Gift of the Holy Ghost and the partaking of the Sacrament if these things are not followed and understood.
These exist within the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints for a reason. Not because it was Joseph’s take on it. Because they are so important to God to get right that He had to give it to someone to bring back and restore to the proper way. It just so happened to be Joseph Smith.
What’s most important is that the restoration happened and order was restored. The Book of Mormon helps us understand Jesus Christ accurately.
You have been so mislead. You really need to study the Bible. We are saved by grace, not works. The thief on the cross wasn't baptized yet Jesus said he would be with Him in paradise. We will not be judged by JS.
Hello Kathy - Surely Jesus Christ will judge us. According to whether we have done what He has asked us to do. To keep His commandments, as He said we should do if we love Him.
There are so many translations of the Bible. And so many denominations of Christianity. Why? From men. Adding.
What a need then for a restoration!
Ironically the doubt so many have in Joseph Smith is that he added. Yet you can know He was called to restore and reveal the original intent from Jesus Christ by the same Spirit as you know Jesus Christ is your Savior. His claim is the easiest of all to verify.
A wonderful example of this is David Alexander who is posting his experiences on UA-cam. A man raised Catholic, eschewing “Mormonism” while a part of dozens of Protestant denominations. Until he asked in faith.
Jesus Christ is my Savior just as He is yours. The Savior of all who will receive Him. He will not save me by crying out “Lord, Lord” but He hears me each time I do. And He hears you!
I leave this with you from Mosiah 4:
5 For behold, if the knowledge of the goodness of God at this time has awakened you to a sense of your nothingness, and your worthless and fallen state-
6 I say unto you, if ye have come to a knowledge of the goodness of God, and his matchless power, and his wisdom, and his patience, and his long-suffering towards the children of men; and also, the atonement which has been prepared from the foundation of the world, that thereby salvation might come to him that should put his trust in the Lord, and should be diligent in keeping his commandments, and continue in the faith even unto the end of his life, I mean the life of the mortal body-
7 I say, that this is the man who receiveth salvation, through the atonement which was prepared from the foundation of the world for all mankind, which ever were since the fall of Adam, or who are, or who ever shall be, even unto the end of the world.
8 And this is the means whereby salvation cometh. And there is none other salvation save this which hath been spoken of; neither are there any conditions whereby man can be saved except the conditions which I have told you.
9 Believe in God; believe that he is, and that he created all things, both in heaven and in earth; believe that he has all wisdom, and all power, both in heaven and in earth; believe that man doth not comprehend all the things which the Lord can comprehend.
10 And again, believe that ye must repent of your sins and forsake them, and humble yourselves before God; and ask in sincerity of heart that he would forgive you; and now, if you believe all these things see that ye do them.”
@@briancrismonpetersen7885I appreciate your immediate and thorough reply however I am afraid quoting from the bom won't suffice. There is absolutely no evidence that the Bible needed to be restored, only JS opinion. And again, all that is needed is grace given by God with faith in Jesus Christ and with this, then will you know them by their fruit. It is not works and ordinances and then faith that we are saved. Again, I appreciate your attempt and dedication and like you, I am concerned for your salvation (as I am sure you would say the same of me). I don't wish for anyone to lose their faith but I do believe some of the faithful have been lied to. I am certain that if one gained as much knowledge of the Bible as they have of the bom, d&c, wofw and pearlofgp, one would see that the Bible is all that is needed. When you have grace and faith you will want to keep the 10 commandments whereby making all the other rules and regulations of the mormon church void. I certainly don't want to offend anyone but lds are discouraged to look outside what is sanctioned by the church for fear the truth be known. I encourage you to study the Bible and do some research outside of church recommendations. You can find enough evidence in actual church history to prove the church is false. Asking God's grace and blessings on you.
Thank you. Your words shared have me thinking of Hebrews 3:
“13 But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.
14 For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence steadfast unto the end;”
Just that you would care enough about me to judge my beliefs as misguided, and share that, I know you to be a true disciple of Jesus Christ. And I’m sure He knows you to be the same. Therefore how could I worry about your Salvation? Surely you know Him!
So maybe the question is… do I know the Savior?
Took an online Bible quiz recently and got 92 out of 100. Because I have read the entire Bible. 30 years ago. Believe it or not. And I love the Bible! Particularly the New Testament. I study it every year and know its content as more than just stories but principles and guidelines as to how to live peaceably.
As I have read it I know this:
- Christ fulfilled the Old Law.
- He did the will of the Father. “To this end” He was born.
- Jesus Christ prayed to the Father
- Jesus Christ taught us to pray to the Father
- His work concluded on the cross in mortality and told the Father to commend His spirit. Thus completing the Atonement which reunites us to God if we are willing and live by His teachings. (Classically explained in John 3:16 - The Only Begotten Son, slaughtered, as a sacrifice for sin, as the Lamb of God) He would be joined in Paradise with His Father and with the man who hung on the cross and repented and was forgiven, as you said
- He commanded us to love God and love our neighbor just as He did. Which are the most important commandments and upon which all others are connected.
- If we love Him we will keep His commandments. As His disciples we love one another as part of the new commandment. (Not just the Law of Moses…)
His relationship with our Father is special. Understanding it is so important in helping us know who He was and is and who we are.
But Credal Christianity destroyed the significance of that relationship with the advent of the Trinity. That was Constantine’s political position forever changing Christianity. Adding water to the soup, so to speak. To say that Christ and the Father are “one in purpose” is everything. To try to have scholars explain the “triune God” is not of the Bible at all. It’s so confusing. And it’s just not Biblical. It’s just not from Christ Himself.
Personally I would rather take the claim of one who said He was called to be a prophet and see what I could do to prove that most easily based on what he was given from God, rather than believing that all of the translations of the Bible we have now, and all of the stripped down beliefs to simplify and make for convenient worship as an evolution that draws us closer to God. If anything it’s all been adding water to the soup for centuries. Still the same soup but not the same flavor, nor the same nutritional value. And all that we have left is to quote a few scriptures from Paul in letters he wrote to the Galatians that differentiate us and tell us, in some unrealistically global context, that we only need to confess Him to be saved? Whether we agree with our pastor’s view. Or version of the Bible he/she reads from.
He told us not all who say “Lord, Lord” will be saved. But if we repent of our sins and forsake them and keep the commandments… now that’s the Christianity I know you and I believe in!
Hence, it’s not the Bible that needs to be restored.
Has the messages of Christianity not been convoluted for centuries though? It’s how churches evolved in interpretation of Christianity that went awry. Does one simply believing they are called give them license to lead a congregation? No! Christ called those whom He called and gave them His authority. To believe anyone can preach and by so doing understand the Bible enough to only teach truth is to deny the order of God. And God is a God of order.
There are no works described in the Book of Mormon that vary from what Christ taught in the New Testament. But it varies widely from “mainstream” Christianity, (if anyone can really define what is mainstream.) The Book of Mormon is another testament of Jesus Christ. Written by ancient prophets who started in Jerusalem. Then went to the Americas. Knowing Christ would come. Then writing of Christ’s appearance in the Americas and after. Civilizations that ultimately became wicked and were destroyed. So when we read it with the Bible the Bible becomes wonderfully significant as to who we are as God’s children. And its significance in our day is that our civilizations and societies face the same issues and have to adhere to the same God with the same principles of truth and righteousness or they will fail also. That is why it has been given in our day.
Believe it or not, it’s the very essence of what you believe. Despite what you’ve been told about Joseph Smith. Or anything else by those that don’t know and oppose.
You ought to try reading the Book of Mormon and then judge for yourself. It was translated in 90 days by one that had an eight grade education. I could not read it in 90 days my first time and understand the full significance of it.
From Joseph Smith’s account of what started it all, when he knelt in a grove of trees to ask which church he should join as a 14 year old boy:
“ I saw two Personages, whose brightness and glory defy all description, standing above me in the air. One of them spake unto me, calling me by name and said, pointing to the other-This is My Beloved Son. Hear Him!”
Either the most blasphemous thing you will ever read, or something glorious. Two personages, who knew His name!
If Joseph Smith was a conman, crazy that he would start with that claim as a 14 year old boy, being shunned by his community as a result, and expect to get very far. But he said, “I had seen a vision. I knew it and God knew it and I could not deny it.” And then be so evil as to start a global institution? He’s either the most evil, and most prolific content creator of all time, or it was all given to him by God. It’s either the worst kind of evil or it’s of God.
Perhaps most frightening to others is how they understand it to be evil and then very soon realize it is of God, but a huge departure from what they know.
For me this first account of Joseph Smith seeing God tells me our Heavenly Father knows us by name. He calls prophets still. He has a living Church with order and ordinances, filled with good works like giving $1 Billion a year to various causes to help the poor. And this Church is preparing for the Lord to come again.
You need not know this Church to know Jesus Christ. Surely you know Him and surely He loves you. But this Church blesses the lives of its members because it is of God. And it blesses the world. Because Jesus Christ is at the Head of it. It’s orderly. Its leaders are humble followers. Its blessings intended for the world.
Despite what you have been told.
NONE OF WHO ARE GUILTY OF SPIRITUAL ABUSE AGAINST OTHER PEOPLE'S FAITHS ARE PREPARED FOR THE SECOND COMING.
By "spiritual abuse" do, you do you just mean spreading awareness about why a religion is false?
Just who are the sheep and who are the goats will be decided by the great judge in the judgement.
germanslice That tells me nothing about what you mean by “spiritual abuse”
If some stranger came up to you and told you that you don't know who God is, would you believe him? Of course you wouldn't, so why would you expect other christians to believe you when you tell them they don't know who God is?
You don't have the full knowledge that's why.
We are not getting into Heaven, by our DEEDS...rather, by professing our sins and asking forgiveness from Jesus Christ.
U see....Jesus was given all power from his Father...our GOD. Jesus, walked as a mere human man...to live, teach, die and be resurrected back ad a man...before finally going back with our Father God.
All "God's...are not equal, exist, or teach the same thing".
Our by JESUS CHRIST....may wr be with our One and Only God the Father.
Not by Buddhism, Atheism, Hinduism, bring a Muslim...being "rich, happy, philanthropic...having a big house, getting a boob lift, big cars...shiny white teeth...etc.
Jesus, is King of Kinds...and everyone's Savior..."like it, or not".
May Jesus be in all of our lives.
We missy pray for all non believers. Christianity....has No Infidels!!
There is no particular way to talk to Mormons. You had a two dollar bet on the gigis, farted, started slobbering reams of coffee, and you are sick of the jerk down the road revving up his motorbike - and that was a typical day. It wouldn't bother them. It would be, " Heh heh. Fair enough. ".
The guy asking question, is not gay ok...
one doesn't talk to mormons, nor one talks to anyone proselyting
you just reply no interest and non of your business