Beautiful Argument w/Mormon at the Temple
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- Опубліковано 17 бер 2016
- This is the actual footage of an witnessing encounter outside of the Mormon Temple in Mesa, Arizona. If you see one encounter between a Christian and a Mormon we hope it is this. This is took place during Apologia Church's evangelism outside of the Mormon Easter Pageant.
We believe that this footage shows that Mormons and Christians can and should break down the walls between their communities in an effort to talk about the Word of God. Truth matters. Mormons and Christians can in fact have gracious and loving arguments about the truth. This video demonstrates that.
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The young Mormon asks, “who says we cannot add to the words of the Bible?” I’ll tell you who… A DIRE WARNING FROM GOD in Revelations!
REVELATIONS 22: 18,19
For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
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@@alohaangel1111Amen
@alohaangel1111 take a look at how the chronological order the Bible was put together. The way you are interpreting that scripture would mean that half the New Testament isn’t true. Because it was written before the other letters were and before the Bible was put together. Those words talk about specifically about those specific prophecies. Not the Bible as a whole because the Bible as a whole wasn’t created yet.
@@alohaangel1111that text in revelations was referring to that book and not the Bible! Interestingly enough some of the Bible books were chronologically written after revelation's! As per having more words no one can limit how much God can give us
I left the LDS church after doing my own intense reading of the New Testament. My family is now going to a non-denominational church where we hear preaching about Jesus every Sunday. I love it. Thank you.
Praise God.
+C. M. Felos
That's great to hear! Well done! Now I say this encouragingly, please try not to be just a "Sunday" Christian.
We also need to be doers of the Word not just hearers of the Word.
While it's good to go to a good church for fellowshipping once a week, please remember that your relationship with Jesus is through studying and living His word and not just listening to a preacher every Sunday.
Like they say, and I'm sure everyone has heard this before, sitting in a garage all day long doesn't make you a car and neither does sitting in a church every Sunday make you a Christian.
God bless. Praise and glory to God and to Jesus!
+Adam Goodword I think that the LDS church does a great job of teaching it's members to study scriptures as a family... a tradition that we will certainly keep. The challenge is to stay connected to a church family. The LDS church is super good at that too. Give everyone a job and they feel connected.
C. M. Felos
Every man a janitor! ;-)
+Dean Mawson (Jesus Defender) It's the same Jesus. I just have a better understanding of him and have a better relationship with him.
This Mormon guy is such a gentle soul. I hope God’s knowledge is revealed to him in scripture
Cornelius Lamb, a men🙏
Not his lady friend...
lamontshandy you saw that too huh
We have to be in Jehovah's organization to receive Jehovah God's knowledge. We can't serve both.
his wife wasn't having it. she walked off lol
"We don't adjust the word of God to out beliefs; we adjust our beliefs to the word of God."
Well said Jeff.
He's fooled himself.
@@mattr.1887How so?
🙄
No proof that the Bible is the word of God.
There's no proof we didn't just come into existence 5 minutes ago with the appearance of age. Prove math exists and it's not just a thought in our head. Prove your consciousness exist...scientists have no clue what it is.
There's no such thing as proof really, just evidence of. The Bible infact has the most evidence of any other religion.
What do you believe?
@@mattr.1887 ever thought about what you are saying?
This pastor is so well spoken and clear in his speech. He is truly gifted by the Holy Spirit.
I was thinking the same thing. He is truly gifted and he is sharp but so disarmingly humble. Not smarmy or snarky in the least bit.
niles then please go on show and talk to apologia. Or talk to dr jame white.
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Or he's so good at his job because he went to theological School that he's made a living preaching God's word and he has to know what he's selling so maybe he's just a good salesman and he wants to make money as a pastor most Pastors in the United States of America and across the world get paid to preach God's word it's absolutely abhorred to do such thing it should be a service that requires no money cuz now you're paying a pastor to hear the Lord's word so he can buy a plane a mansion a brand new car. I think it's just absolutely ridiculous so I think that he needs to know what he's talking about so he studies it all the time so he can sell God's word for a profit
Travis Armstrong sell Gods word for a profit? I don’t believe they should have big mansions and super expensive cars. But should pastors be homeless beggars on the street? Should they not be paid at all?
1st Corinthians 9:9
9For it is written in the Law of Moses: “Do not muzzle an ox while it is treading out the grain.” b Is it about oxen that God is concerned? 10Surely he says this for us, doesn’t he? Yes, this was written for us, because whoever plows and threshes should be able to do so in the hope of sharing in the harvest. 11If we have sown spiritual seed among you, is it too much if we reap a material harvest from you?
13Don’t you know that those who serve in the temple get their food from the temple, and that those who serve at the altar share in what is offered on the altar? 14In the same way, the Lord has commanded that those who preach the gospel should receive their living from the gospel.
@@kedduff1814 The more converts he gets the more money he gets.
Who is he accountable to for how he spends that money?
Certainly not you. Not the congregation. He can make as much money as he wants and spend it on anything he wants. And because of this, he's incentivized to preach falsehoods to make more money. Because the more appealing his message is the more money he makes.
My husband and I are both ex-mormons, we now spend our days talking to the LDS about the true Jesus and we love watching you guys witness. Love your heart for Mormons, it's rare among evangelicals witnessing at Temple events.
Destiny Fletcher Amen I've came across many Mormons, but that's a blessing
Destiny Fletcher bless you and your husband!
Destiny Fletcher Our missionaries are told not to preach on the doorstep of others religious buildings out of respect but where is their respect?
DO NOT ERASE THIS SCRIPTURES PLEASE IS FOR YOUR OWN SALVATION, WE ARE SON'S OF GOD:
1 God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods. Psalms 82
6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High. Psalms 82
33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God? St John 10
Tim Bobby
Except black people are not welcome right? Haha, get out blasphemer.
Acts 4:12
"Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved."
Ever felt like it was a Friday, but it was Tuesday? We must not use our feelings as the gauge of truth, but trust in the word of God which does not change.
👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
Do you ever have feelings about God? Or your faith? Have you ever raised yours hands in church and emotionally felt the power of God? ....be careful how you devalue the power and deception of feelings. This is the problem with religion. It's the same as a declaration of truth based on "faith" or "belief".
@@jesseminns hey Jesse! Hope you are well! Emotions are not bad, I do get emotional towards God at times but I can’t let my feelings be my gauge. Because As soon as my feelings take control, I comprise the truth. Hope that makes sense. God bless
@@jeffreybarnhart3725 The heart is deceitful above all things,
and desperately sick;
who can understand it?
Jeremiah 17:9
Nothing is wrong with feelings but it says our hearts are deceitful, so we should trust Gods word above all else. The Bible also says not to lean on our own understanding of things.
Great analogy
I couldn’t stop tearing up watching this! This has increased my faith in the Bible and the living word! Thank you for sharing this!
I love the Bible, and the Book of Mormon. Have you read about all of the chiasmus in the Book of Mormon?
Beautiful jesse
@@Ether-pb5gb The Bible is the only authority I need to live under!
2 Timothy 3:16
2 Peter 1:20
John 17:17
@@Ether-pb5gb if you love the Bible, then you'd know the BoM is false
The Bible is a product of man. No different than the Book of Mormon.
The hardest people to convert are the religious.
And political views...
@Barrier Boy What he said doesn't contradict what you said. It can still be harder for religious people to convert than non-religious people, even if thousands are converting. It just means religious people are harder to convince. I'm not sure if what he said was statistically accurate, because I haven't researched it, but the point is that he feels its harder to convert someone from another religion than someone who isn't religious.
5 point Calvinist’s fall in that category as well.
I guess it depends on what you want them to convert to.
Most atheists started with a Christian background
So refreshing to see the respect and courtesy on both sides here. The Mormon gentleman comes across as rational and mature, so that helps a lot. But Jeff, you've gotten so much better over the years at putting people at ease during the discussion. Very encouraging, brother. Nice camera work, Marcus.
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Mark Lilly actually Jeff is telling this guy that what he believes in is false when the guy says that what he believes in is true. How can a person tell someone what they believe in is wrong? The guy Jeff is being extremely disrespectful to this Mormon dude.
Rsmdizz Dunski he’s not being disrespectful...he’s trying to lead him to the truth. The disrespectful ones are the false teachers and leaders. Leading this man down a path to destruction. He can’t tell him he’s half right, half right is only wholly wrong.
Rsmdizz Dunski You guys come to my doorsteps all the time to tell me I don't have the "full" Gospel.
Mark, Pope Jeff uses the same deceitful tactic that Satan uses. He knows nothing about eternity or the real truth.
That was done very well. I appreciate the LDS member for being a great listener, too.
There were two not one. Saying "member" is diversionary. But if u don't get me I forgo the post.
Being a Mormon returned missionary he's really hoping he can change this pastors mind. They are both trying to convert each other. Hopefully the message and truth of the street preacher/pastor woke this lds man up a little
Your patience and persistence are gifts from God. You use them well Pastor Jeff.
Honestly as a Christian, his arguments are the best I’ve heard from a Mormon. But there’s no disputing what Jeff is saying. No matter what he can say, Jeff’s statements are fact and there’s no denying that. Praying for this man 🙏🏼🙏🏼
Except sola scriptura can be used against Jeff just like he tried to use it against this Mormon
Jeff is deceived
@@NolanHawkeyeAnthony how
@@NolanHawkeyeAnthonythat’s not… lol
@@x7judy because I can become a pope in my interpretation of the Bible as Jeff is and just refute him and it would be just as valid
This is by far the most pleasent argument between two different religions.
When I first saw this something in me hated it, but I kept watching. Then I realized how insidious the tendency it is for me to add to the Word and make it my own- but it isn’t mine, it’s His! I pray that the Lord continues to reveal to me that His Word is true and that in meekness I realize that my “personal revelation “ comes through His Word, not what I may try to add to it. He was, is, and will be perfect with or without me. 🙌🏼🙏🏻🙌🏼
26:59 broke my heart.. he clearly has had his eyes open to the truth in this video. Its hard to admit when you’ve been led astray. Its hard to admit you were wrong this whole time. I feel compassion for this man because I was in the same boat, although a different church not LDS but the same boat.
I pray for God to open his and his wifes eyes to the truth of Christ. 🥺🙏🏼
Agree, and the Mormon could and most likely would loose his family, job ect for following Truth.
How would he lose his job by leaving LDS?
@@mattr.1887 Mormons take care of their own. If you are working in a Mormon organization and leave the church you are ostracized. It’s why most people stay who do not believe the lie any longer.
@@mattr.1887 some people think that their jobs are based on whether or not their LDS boss hired them based on their going to the same church.
First, the only way they could lose their job by leaving the church is if they work for the church. A private employer could be in trouble with the EEOC if they do that.
Second, that would probably only happen in Utah. The farther away you are from there, would be just the opposite; you could lose your job if you JOIN the LDS church.
I think many members of LDS church aren't even interested in the actual doctrines or searching...but it is a cultural thing. They are part of the Mormon community, their family are Mormon, their friends are Mormon, their activities are Mormon. To them it would be giving up almost EVERYTHING in their life. It's rough.
Only if they live in Utah, and the surrounding areas.
The majority of Mormons live outside of Utah; over half live outside the USA! And in some places, your nearest Mormon neighbor is an hour's drive or more.
Believe me, my family (mom and sibs) would be overjoyed if I left the LDS church.
Being a convert myself I'd suggest that for a fraction of the LDS that is true. But would you not suggest that the same applies to those born and raised in the Bible Belt? I can absolutely attest with experience that many of the protestants are culturally that way. I was "church of Christ" for 20 years....why? I was raised that way. I bought every church of Christ doctrine from each preacher that went to and received a church of Christ denominated theological degree. But then I studied for myself leaning more toward a non-denominational bible church. After having studied near death experiences for a decade something was off....there were doctrines from people that had KNOWLEDGE. Christians were mostly right, but missing some critical doctrines. That's when I finally gave into my preconceived notions of Mormons and studied their faith with a vengeance. I told God that if it was the restored Gospel he'd better show me. I was not ready for the shock. I've been LDS for 3 years and I know this church is restored. It has all the missing links from those that have experienced death. My christian friend once said "I don't know how Mormonism is growing.....none of the pastors in my Church think it's true and they study this stuff". That was from a rock solid Christian. So WHO is actually seeking on your side!?! I thank God that he finally broke me from anti-Mormonism. The gospel is restored. It's fantastic and I can't shut up about it. Blessings! "A non-UTAH Bible Belt Mormon"
*My christian friend once said "I don't know how Mormonism is growing.....none of the pastors in my Church think it's true and they study this stuff".*
I think that they mostly study how to destroy "Mormonism" because if it's true, then they have to find a new line of work. And I'm not being facetious here, I'm totally serious.
BTW, I'm not in the Bible belt, but we do have just about every religion known to man, and that's surprising to me, being outside of California as well.
true. There's no paid local clergy in the LDS faith. That's fiscal suicide to those who are financially vested to lead their flocks I suppose.
Daily dose. Read it before joining the church. It was not that convincing compared to the witness I received from studying near death experiences, reading the BOM and fasting/praying to know the truth. I also thought FairMormon responses were sufficient. Finally, I have an issue believing someone who rejects the whole of religion. If atheism is anti-Christ why would I believe the author of the CESLetter being led by the spirit of truth anyway. Take care.
Jeff is EXCELLENT at showing grace to those he is conversing with on touchy controversial subjects such as this one. He's a model for how Christians should approach ppl with opposing views.
All you have to do is say "I mean this respectfully" whenever you disagree.
Well said
If you mean it respectfully, then fully respect what the Mormons say about what we do and do not believe.
He is trying to treat the person with respect while showing the glaring error of Mormon doctrine.
It's not "Mormon doctrine" that's in error. It's what he says is Mormon doctrine.
Thanks for not screaming in our faces and mocking us
only religious people do that.
This Pastor is like Thanos! Lol
He’s very calm yet savagely violent when quoting scriptures and ruthless at closing argument at the same time. God bless his soul!
Jeff, I really love your approach to people like this, you really have a heart for Jesus, and doing His will, as we all should.
I think hes doing his own will not Gods will . He says his "argument " with mormons . He brings about contention and contention is of the devil so hes doing the devils work without even knowing it ...or does he ? He does his work for profit. Beware of false "profits" . He speaks well because it's his job !
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@@travisarmstrong5479 Didn't Paul stir up contention against the Jews about Jesus being the Messiah? Wasn't Jesus mostly stirring up contention in calling people to repentance? By your standard, Paul was of the devil.
@@palerity6320well said
How can they claim Josephs word is eternal, but t the Bible isn't?
Where do we claim this?
read the 13 articles of faith
@@danebagangan2009 I don't see that anywhere in the 13 articles of faith.
@@lindalds artical 8 says it
@@leawoodland3198 We believe the Bible to be the word of God, as far as it is translated correctly; we also believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God.
No where there do I see where Joseph Smith's word is eternal but the Bible isn't.
Do you accept the Bible as the word of God if it is not translated correctly?
And we know that the Book of Mormon, like the Bible, is only as perfect as the men who wrote it, the men who translated it, etc.
jeff is on another level. Thank God for people like him. I wish i could diaologue with him
Yah it is hard to get a word in edgewise with a guy like Jeff
Same love Pastor Jeff. He is a blessing and addition to me knowing more about my faith.
Yeah, sure he is. He presupposes things that are not demonstrable and makes false statements. If he's on another level, it would be a lower level.
Which of his words were false? Those quoted from the Bible?
@@nonprogrediestregredi1711What false statements? Be specific 💁
you have to admire this man's knowledge and clear headed thinking. Truly speaks in a caring way when he could clearly "destroy" his opponents arguments/beliefs.
Pastor Jeff, Thank you for this lovely witness. Your preaching is such a blessing. You have a lovely gentle kind way about you. I used to be a Mormon I came out through the witness of a Christian work colleague. Thank you for this video and the work you are doing. Every blessing from Ireland.
Gail, please give the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and the Book of Mormon another chance. The trinity is a man-made idea. Jesus did NOT pray to himself, but to his Father in heaven. He did not cry out to himself while on the cross. He cried out to his Father in heaven. The father and the son are two separate persons, just as Joseph Smith said
@@Ether-pb5gb the Bible describes the trinity
Pastor Jeff, you have changed my life for the better. Thank you.
"who do I follow?" Jesus! You don't need a religion to follow. Religion is man trying to get to God through works and traditions. Christianity is a relationship with Christ and relying on Him and Him alone to get to God. You follow Jesus Christ.
Jesus was constantly around believers teaching and encouraging them, discipling them. This is church. Hebrews 10:25 tells us that we should not forsake the assembling of the believers. We are to spur one another on to love and good deeds. I hate religion too. But I love Jesus, the head, and I love His body, the Church! One can't love the head without loving the body.
@@paulgregersen3570 Jesus is clearly the head and the Church the body. On a different note, the Bible never said to sell indulgences nor does it talk of purgatory, or required works to enter heaven.
@@paulgregersen3570
God is sovereign and He decides when church doors open and close. By the way church planting is the best way to grow the kingdom of God. Churches were springing up everywhere as the Apostle Paul and the other apostles spread the Gospel. I care about the true church, the church that will hear well done, good and faithful servant. Not the one who will hear Depart from me, I never knew you. There are many people in church buildings in both these categories. So, it is only by a continuing love relationship that anyone will ever be saved. This will not happen because they go to Church. They go to church because they are saved.
No, Jesus clearly mandated an organized church
Paul Gregersen
No church ever has saved anyone John 14:6
I was baptized Mormon went to church regularly until I was 14. I am now 55 I was saved back in February re baptized on Easter Sunday. I follow the word of God and the teachings of Jesus Christ. I go to the source for forgiveness and repenting my sins. I have never had such a thirst and hunger for the word of God. I praise Jesus he has done so much in my life already. I have figured out he was with me the whole time when I thought I was alone
I have never seen a Mormon witness this well done....bless you for your grace and encouragement in this field.
I love when these can be actual discussions instead of turning into arguments. I know from experience how defensive some people get on this subject. Really like that you were both very understanding about each other's views
I love that you can debate so lovingly. The fruit of the spirit shows and I wish I could debate with such an even tempered nature.
I’m blown away by Pastor Jeff’s intelligence and knowledge in the faith. All because of God’s grace! All glory goes to the Lord alone.
That was much more thoughtful then many conversations I have seen. Many members of my family are Mormon, and I want them to know they are sincerely loved, and we want them to have the truth of God's Word.
Jeff, thanks for your amazing work. You have helped my faith become stronger. You unwrap tough topics where they become simple.
Been watching Pastor Jeff videos for years, when you truly love your fellow man and wish for him the salvation that our Lord has given us, this is one of the greatest example of evangelizing to other religions that are lost or confused of who the real Christ is....Love you brother Jeff, God has surely granted you the heart and mind to share the true Gospel....
Very good! Thank you for these Apologia! Helps me learn and understand how to share the gospel in love.
Thank you Jeff! Great tool in witnessing to Mormon's. More please.
The patience, the clarity and the gentle love showed by Mr. Durbin simply astounds me. His approach is so methodical and logical, he leaves the poor Mormons grasping at their “feelings” with no where to go for refuge from his keen insights and vast store of memorized Scripture. And even though I agree with everything he says, I still find myself learning from the connections that he makes. Thank you, Pastor Jeff for your obvious love for these people and a zeal for Jesus. You’re a good man....
Thank you for this video. For those who have never been Mormon it’s incredibly hard to hear the truth especially after you’ve been wrong your whole life. Pastor Jeff approached members of the Mormon church EXACTLY the way you’re supposed to. If you attack they shut down and don’t want to hear it. Believe me. If you approach in fellowship and have them explain THEIR version of Christianity, then and ONLY then will you be able to explain the true Christ. Thank you brother Jeff for doing what you do.
Praying for this man.
Jeff could use a lot of prayers, as could I, and us all
You witness in an extremely loving and calming way. I love it.
My mom and siblings once were Mormons. I prayed hard and thank God they got out .
Amen sister!!! are they Christians now?
God bless you amen
Wow you prayed and it actually happend.
Nouvelle Creation that is the dumbest question ive ever heard, mormons ARE christians!
Andrew Black whered you learn that? Wikipedia?
This Mormon doesn’t sound like he is a “practicing Mormon”. He does not share any of his Mormon teachings.
May Jesus Christ be praised for ever.
Good work Jeff 😎
God bless you pastor, you have strengthened my faith. May God protect you and watch over you
Wow, Jeff's love of God and his people is phenomenal. If all Christian could learn to love like that, the way Jesus tells us to with such gentleness, the gospel would spread so much faster. I'd be surprised if that man never gave another thought to the things Jeff shared with him. Because of his non-threatening manner I believe that young man was able to receive the message. Praise the Lord!💕
This was a very interesting video to watch. Jeff, you handled yourself like a very intelligent and calm person, you listened to the other man and had a very good discussion. I myself am pentecostal, and I love Jesus, and I'd love to have a conversation with you sometime. Great video, keep it up, God bless!
His wife was gone in the first 5 minutes.... hopefully she watched this later with more of a open mind
"I feel, I feel, I feel" that's the problem
Long before I knew anything about the LDS church, my Sunday school teachers taught us a song that included the phrase “every time I FEEL the Spirit, moving in my heart”.
It’s when you don’t feel that you have problems.
I can't believe Jeff said Netflix and Chill 😂
Where can I get your (or even someone else's) material when speaking at the temple or with mormons in my community? Such as the pamphlets you were passing out? Thanks!
Michael Kober did you ever get his pamphlets? I come across mormons alot since they send them to our town to do their mission work.
@@allmanart57 I'd be willing to bet that if you attend an LDS service in your town, you would be surprised to find members that you know outside the church. I know I did.
Great video. Very helpful.
I am amazed at how little the Mormon knows about the bible and he quotes absolutely nothing of the Book of Mormon. It seems like he just "feels" his way through his faith rather than following the Words of Christ.
Daniel Ramos: I thought the same about the Pastor!
Most follow the new revelations and the revelations of Joseph Smith. Its interesting that the book they claim as their foundation condemns many of the revelations they follow which is why they probably don't know much about the BoM, or the Bible. Also many of the doctraines that Jeff quotes to show their falpacies are not doctrines of the BoM.
@@tiffanywright6653 are you satan is not using you to lie? Please listen to this. I pray the lord will open your eyes!
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Matthew 7:2 Both obviously believe in Christ and are trying to do the best they can.
@@dleoburns no you didn't
This Pastor is amazing! Great example of a Christian. No hate or judgement, pure love. I am looking forward to watching more!
Joshua Heller he is being judgemental
@@yasminvillanueva3141 how so in what ways? They are having a conversation. The dude he is talking to also by your omission is being judgmental then right? You can’t pick and chose. Also righteous judgement exists John 7:24. Everyone regardless of what you ppl preach *don’t judge* judges subconsciously so this is bad call on your part and you are being a hypocrite cause you judge everyday to make the decisions you make in your daily life.If you weren’t so judgmental why would you talk to a psycho who is into abusing ppl and ever approach that person? Of course not because you you think they can do you harm so you make the judgment to stay away from those kind of ppl. So this to say the statement you made is logically irrelevant!
Amen. I love you brother. May God bless and watch over you through your ministry.
This is absolutely wonderful. Thank you for sharing. For the young man, thank you for participating and not just shutting down.
"How do I know which one to follow?"
Follow the One, Jesus Christ!
Jeff, I don't know you but I've watched your videos for some time. I am genuinely gobsmacked at your knowledge of the Bible. Specifically unpicking the elements contained, in a timely manner. I also say this to that Mormon man: be amazed that Jeff spoke to you. Such warriors for God are rare. I wish it were not so: People often remark that I know the Bible well: but to my shame I do not. What makes me sad is that I (in my local friends circles) am considered "good at knowing the Bible well" when I know all to clearly how little I know. I love you American Brothers and Sisters who earnestly seek out how to give strong clear authentic gospel - it is a much harder thing here in the UK to find it. The ground here is crying out because the people have turned away from Jesus of Nazareth. - I have been to America many times to do Gods work and I feel a constant willingness and openness that is missing here.
4200? India has over 350 million deities and your argument has no flow? Please clarify.
Conrad Bate
to most unbelievers we are theologians
Conrad Bate keep up your studies brother & when you come back to America, preach the Gospel to my fellow Americans, they desperately need the Good News.
It is quite remarkable that he can read and memorize 5 lines at a time from Protestant translations of Our Holy Bible and pre-write arguments to impress on unsuspecting and unprepared victims, isn't it?
Freeworkout Playlistsdotcom Mormon is not a race, you can't be born Mormon
The first sign of a cult: attack the validity of the Word.
To question the validity of his understanding of the word is NOT attacking the validity of the Bible.
@@lindalds
To believe and teach that the Bible has been corrupted is to fundamentally attack the validity of the Word. That is the Mormon understanding of Scripture.
@@tylerbuckner3750 we don’t teach that the Bible has been corrupted. We believe that there were corrupt men among those who put the Bible together.
The Bible is only as perfect, infallible and complete as the men who put it together.
@@lindalds
You should probably tell that to all the Mormon missionaries who say “The bible has been corrupted” every time a verse explicitly militates against Mormon doctrine.
@@tylerbuckner3750 first of all there is nothing we believe that goes against the Bible. Second the Bible has not been corrupted and no missionary should ever say it was.
This exchange is awesome! Very respectful and thoughtful of each other.
These videos answered so many questions and have been re-evaluating my life choices. Glory To Jesus....The real Jesus.
God bless this man and this dear pastor.
Jeff, I love your videos, brother. You explain things so well, you are extremely well versed in tthe Word, and even in the tenets of Mormonism, and you are very easy going with your conversation. I don't think that guy's wife wanted much to do with you, but I was glad to see the gentleman stick around and have a logical debate without resorting to emotion or name calling. Keep up the Good Work and may God continue to richly bless you. I have family in Mesa, and next time I'm down there I'm going to some say hi or tag along on one of your evangelical adventures. Be safe, brother.
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What are you talking about?? what does choosing where they were born have to do with the price of eggs?
Well, I was born very near where this video took place. I'm not mormon, that's for sure. Now if you want to paint a wide brush stroke and say that about being born in Iraq or a middle eastern country, where most are Muslim, then yes, but you can't use that logic here. There are so many different faiths practiced in the US that to say you're born in an area, therefore you are likely X, does not work so well.
You still didn't answer the question of what the location of their birth has to do with anything? Read your original comment. It makes no sense.
Amen we love pastor Jeff. He is an incredible man of God. May God continuously bless him, his family and ministry. May God provide his hedge of protection around him wherever he goes. No weapon shall form against him. All opposition to the Gospel should depart away from his path, ten fold. God’s word will never go void.
Great conversation! Jeff handled this so well
I would love to meet you man. I appreciate your compassion and listening to the other side. Good bless you man keep up the good work
You know man, I'm now 33 years old and trying to find my way back to christ, (been going to church for about 6 months now) and a lot of the questions I've had that cause me to struggle with faith and believing are usually answered or accounted for by you guys using scripture to explain. I really appreciate it and it makes me excited. Thank you for what y'all do.
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One of the things that helped me grow in my faith was praying more and reading scripture
What a great witness you are Jeff!! God bless!!!
So amazing love watching the stuff. Praise the Lord to see the true Gospel to be out on UA-cam.
Hallelujah! Thank GOD the mormon guy has just started to see the Light.
Watching this as an atheist is pretty amazing tbh. Religion is such an interesting thing.
+Alan S As a fellow atheist, I agree! When Baptists aren't telling folks from other denominations how superior their Baptist faith is, they're telling each other how superior their personal faith is.
+Steven John That commentary is so judgmental. What is your rational for judging?
+JAMES SQUIRES it's because they are superior right? ;)
Can you prove that to absolute certainty?
"Nothing is ever proved to an absolute certainty". That part of your statement may be true, since you can not even define what is "absolute certainty", other than as a faith assertion. You can only be absolutely certain of something by faith. That is why it is important that your faith be in what is true; ie, the God of the Bible.
Nobody’s gonna dig this perspective but I found it very interesting how quick to speak and control the conversation the woman was. But also how easily she was dismissed as soon as the preacher recognized her as merely a distraction from the real conversation to be had.
He could’ve just as easily never spoken a word to the man and just let the woman continue to quickly steer the conversation to a quick conclusion.
Once she was gently dismissed she literally just left. Like her whole purpose was to make sure the preacher didn’t speak to her man. Once it was clear he’d breeched her defense she wandered off and got some ice cream.
I feel like there’s a lot to that little interaction. I’ll be called sexist but I find that women are all too willing to run the show in the name of keeping status quo and not making waves. Even when waves need to be made.
Gucci gucci Maybe In general, yes, but I am the same way too often. Let us pray to boldly speak the truth, yet with gentleness and respect
@Juliana Russell if i was a woman and found a Godly man like Jeff, i would submit to him every single day.
@Juliana Russell im not saying that you wouldn't....im just saying.
@Juliana Russell Perfectly articulated! Gods word is Perfect. God knows what is best for us.
@Juliana Russell I completely agree. As a young man, i tried to do it on my own amd i failed miserably. Once married and the 2nd time living in sin. "Comon law" and now ive given my life to Jesus Christ. After being raised Jehovahs witness. But I never got baptised in the religion. God bless you too!
This video is incredible. I’m over here taking notes my guy😂
I appreciate your effort,your patience and the love for christ in your heart. you have touched me 100percent!! May God almighty increases himself into you by his spirit in JESUS Christ name!!
Hallelujah! God praise you for the break through of this young man! Give him the knowledge and understanding of Your will God. Thank you Jesus!
Had a couple elders call me today! I love talking with them, but they know their scripture very well. This is a great video
Their biggest and first argument is that the Bible is not translated correctly and that the Bible today is the result of the great apostate, of men changing it over the years.
And to me this is very flimsy simply because anyone can make this argument about anything. And it also makes Christ and the Holy Spirit very incompetent. And they ignore the great lengths that men went to to keep these words pure. And you have to ignore everywhere it speaks about the word as being kept by God.
And your transmission and translation argument is beautiful. Thank you!
When the woman at the beginning realizes the guy actually wants to talk to Durbin and stormed off had me laughing so hard! That look on her face! Had to watch it four times it was so funny!
Hey Jeff ! Continue your work because your attitude is so good with people!!
This is so good! Love that 19 year old couple analogy!
Where can I get the Bible tracs you guys use? I'm in AZ
Thank you so many times...awesome video...
I love these videos. I’m praying for some missionaries that have knocked on my door and I would love to have this type of knowledge to really have a discussion about the Bible. Thank you for sharing
My grandparents are morman, and my dad picked up the some of the beliefs. Watching this I remember how they told me that Jesus + Satan were brothers. I’m a baptist, and nobody ever cleared that up with me. So I’ve went all this time thinking they were brothers. Oh my goodness, that’s a weird realization.
That doesn't even make sense. First of all How can Satan cast out Satan. 2nd that would make Jesus an angel or demon which is blasphemy.
Glad you've seen the truth. My parents always encouraged me to question the bible, if I am wondering about something, see what the bible says and do some research on it. But one has to practice discernment.
*Watching this I remember how they told me that Jesus + Satan were brothers*
I don't believe they said that. Not without explaining the entire subject of the Pre-existence.
I was Mormon too, and had a strong religious spirit about 'scripture'. You could say a Pharisee, even though the Pharisees didn't have the book of Mormon and neither did Jesus, i loved structure. When I realized that Gods word was preserved, and complete, it started washing all the small inconsistencies it had with what I thought was the Gospel. The fact that you had this realization, I praise God, because I feel like God is opening your eyes to His truth. That the Bible is complete.
@@paulgregersen3570 Yes, he was a Son of the Morning. An angel that fell from heaven and became Satan, the Father of Lies.
you could see at the last part of the video, Jeff cares about that man so much
God bless you Pastor Jeff
This was truly beautiful ❤️ this is how our discussion should be. Totally had jesus’ love and patience all over it!
I thank God for the ministry of Apologia Church, keep the faith Pastor Jeff, God bless
Pray for the Mormon people will seek a relationship with Jesus and know the truth, in Christ Alone. ♥️✝️ John 14:6
Hey Jeff! Can you please post more videos of presuppositional apologetics on the streets? :)
We have dozens on our channel. :)
Lol I believe I've seen all of them :)
Pls can you upload street level presupp!!!
P.S I love your camera work ! Keep it going champ
God bless
+Nelson Jobe I think he will! Can't wait!! It's so helpful to use it to witness to lost souls outdoors! :)
Amazing discussion and great apologetics from Pastor Durbin.
That was such a blessing to watch. The truth and an open mind is a wonderful thing. Praise Jesus!!
Jeff, brother, I miss interacting a little on Facebook. Still listen to the podcast. As always man, I am blessed not only by your witness, but your gentleness and kindness when speaking with people. You and everyone at apologia. Much blessings bro. No King but Christ.
Thank you for the blessing.
If you take a text out of context it is a pretext. Read the Bible as it was meant to be read and you will know that Paul was talking to the Judizers regarding circumcision. Read further and find that Paul speaks of faith and works. We are saved by the grace of God if we are open to His gift of Faith and works flow naturally from faith. Read the Bible as a whole. Don't pull a text out and you will find it very exciting. God bless you!
+Maria Iso It is James that taught that faith without works is dead, not Paul. Just sayin. The one thing you guys DO NOT GET, which is the whole crux of the argument, is that the new testament is talking about TWO DIFFERENT KINDS OF WORKS. One is the works of the law of moses and the other is the works of Christ and faith. The works James 2 is talking about is the works of the law of faith and of Christ and of proving faith by our works of love and charity. There are numerous scriptures in the new testament that warn and plead about having and maintaining GOOD WORKS. These are also the works of the law of Christ.
•Galatians 6:2
2 Bear ye one another’s burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.
I have also asked this question on some other ex mormon video chat threads based on some other scriptures I found. I posed a question about instant salvation in light of these scriptures:
1. Ezekiel 18:24 24 But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die.
2. Hebrews 6:4-7 4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, 5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, 6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame
3. 2 Peter 2:20-21 20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. 21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
To me, this teaches that there is the possibility of falling. So why could or would that happen?:
1 Peter 5:8 8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:
It is also stated several times in the New Testament:
Matthew 24:13 13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
Here is an explanation that I think describes the relationship of grace to faith and works: "GRACE IS ACCESSED BY FAITH": Faith is the key that access' grace. Faith is proven by good works and that is what James is talking about. In Romans is says:
Romans 5:1-2 1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ: 2 By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.
We are saved purely by grace THROUGH faith.
We know that in Ephesians 2:8 8- For by grace are ye saved through FAITH; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Faith has to be tested and tried before it is valid:
1 Peter 1:7
7 That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ:
Good works must be maintained in order to prove your faith. We have to remain true to the Lord through the trials and temptations that will come to everyone. IMO it is crazy to say that any one is immune or exempt for the temptations of life.
Titus 1:16 16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.
2 Timothy 3:17 17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
Titus 3:1 1 Put them in mind to be subject to principalities and powers, to obey magistrates, to be ready to every good work,
Titus 3:14 14 And let ours also learn to maintain good works for necessary uses, that they be not unfruitful.
Hebrews 10:24 24 And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works.
These are just a few of many that teach about the importance of maintaining good works. It isn't works that save us and the LDS church has never taught that. That is an idea concocted by "Mormon haters" over 100 years ago. Grace requires faith which requires good works or it is dead faith as James points, and will do nothing. Our good works prove our faith and therefore we receive his grace. It is also why we will be judged in the end according to our works as stated in Rev. 20 and 22. Our faith is going to be challenged and we have to be strong and not lose our faith. That is why it is a life long journey and those who endure to the end will be saved.
+Marie Williams Marie you are wrong I am a Mormon and I know without a shadow of doubt that the Mormon church denies true faith and changed the law of sacrifice (consecration) with the false bogus law of money changers 10% tithing. The prophet Mormon predicted the Mormons would do this sin and fall from grace in Mormon 8:, 32; it is written Yea, it shall come in a day when there shall be (LDS) churches built up that shall say: Come unto me, and for your money (Mormon Tithing is called fire insurance) you shall be forgiven of your sins. you did not answer his questions on baptism or
interpreting the map. Joseph Smith was given the directions but he did not follow the map. Instead he joined the Masons and built the great abominable church on the promised land. Just like King Saul he rationalized the Will of God by not continuing to build the church with the Lamanites and instead went a whoreing after the money changers Sidney Rigdon and his gaddiaton robbers. Brigham Young then spread those Masonic secret combinations accross the wild West by stealing the Lamanites land called Mexico.Just read the Mormon Battlion history of Mountain Meadows Mascre. Also the returned missionary gave you very good example of the blue line representing the river and not the road. If you read 2 Peter 1 verses 20 to 21 it is clear you have no right to teach and interpret the Bible
your map must be interpreted by one who is anointed of God as Holy. as it is
written in Revelations 22:18 to 19 you have no right at all to teach and
add your version interpretation according to Martin Luther. Regarding
the Bible being identical to the authors who wrote it if you see the
intro of the King James version you will realize that as Isaiah says who
has turned the truth into a lie well the homosexual William Shakespear
interpreted the Bible into english for the adulterer and murderer King
Henry the VIII´s new religion called the Church of England. If you
compare a Catholic Bible to a Protestant bible you will see the
Protestant version is half the size and thats because the Apocrypha was
removed. About baptism of children the object of being baptized is
having faith first repent and then be baptized, that takes faith!!!! not
just believing!!!! and "babies are not able to do that". When Paul
refers to faith and the law he is not refering to righteousness he is
refering to the letter of the law being vain works. Faith without love
is dead works to love thy neighbor as thyself is to sincerely care about
the welfare of the neighbor. It is does not mean just doing works like
the scouts walking an old lady accross the road as that will win a
brownie point, i means faith to let go of all you have and follow
Christ. That is true faith its not just the lovely flowery speeches
given on the street its actually not letting the right hand know what
the left hand is doing and not blowing your own trumpet look at me
charitable generous person belief. The idea that faith and belief are
the same is false the demons believe and know who God is according to
James2: 19 , you can believe you are saved by grace but if you are not
with faith that you are saved by grace then you have not been saved by
grace at all and you will have a false sense of security instead. The
apostle Paul is justified by faith not by legalism of the letter of the
law in other words being justified by faith a man leaves
institutionalized religion based on the precepts of men and works by
faith doing things that are not what men would see pleasing in their
eyes. Christians have fallen into the same trap as the Jews basing their
belief on bogus righteous principals invented by men and not following
the Will of God. The Will of God told Abraham to grab a sharp stone and
cut the end of your penis off. We call it circumsion but it would be
looked upon as sadistic today if we were to go to the grand cayon and
find a sharp rock and just cut off the end of our penis. That takes
faith no pain no gain. In Hebrews 12 verses 3 to 11 says how important
it is to have the works of faith to endure to the end and then you will
be saved.
+Flee Babylon You are misguided. Your entire religion was read out of a hat by the equivalent of a carnival weight guesser. He used the same tactics to find treasure or charge people to look. He was a man surrounded by ignorant people. Go toe to toe with me and Ill change your mind.
See that whole deal about "well I prayed and God gave me confirmation." Is a very contradicting thing to say. I can say what about a Satanist that prays to Lucifer and gets confirmation? Doesn't that mean you should believe in that? I can make up a god and pray to it and yes something will happen cause these demons pose and confuse.
The pastor is essentially saying that too. He thinks the LDS is not saved, not because of anything he is doing, but because of the ideas he has in his mind.
Muslim's are not Satanists. Islam is a Semitic rebuttal to Nestorian Christianity.
Point accepted.
No man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost (not because it was written down in Greek so you must believe it). There were many things Jesus did not say to His apostles in life (because it was not time), that He would later reveal through the Spirit of Truth. People can twist, distort, and wrest the word of God all day long (given that many things Paul preached were hard to understand), but those that take the Holy Spirit for their guide will not be deceived. The NT addresses how to not be deceived by false spirits, so your concerns are answered in the Bible.
Ryan: Do you believe in the Holy Ghost (Spirit)?
I was sucked in the LDS church and converted but since 2018 I have fallen away and in the years that's passed I came along with a lot of stuff about the church that makes me disbelieve. I'm now currently going to a Southern Baptist Church
How were you “sucked in”?
You nailed it bro. God bless you
I’m LDS and preparing to serve a mission and one thing I love about pastors of other Christian religions is that although they’re trying to debate my beliefs you can tell they feel an absolute certainty in the beliefs their teaching and an absolute certainty that Christ lives. It’s pretty wonderful! Just keep doing as your doing and keep acting Christlike! It fills my heart with joy when I see others showing kindness like Christ would to others!
Brenden Fullmer If you're about to serve a mission, you'll be in these discussions a lot. Where are you going?
I don't actually know yet, I'm still finishing up the paperwork. Once you put in your papers you have no clue where your going or what language your going to speak! People in my family have gone to Portugal, Washington, Utah, Mexico, and England. One friend of mine is going to Mexico City, another one is already in Washington, another in Brazil and one more in Alaska. Who knows where I'll go :D
you are going to a mission to preach another jesus, basically. After watching the video, wasnt there any realization?
@@janinemarie5609 No he’s brainwashed sadly
@brendenfullmer1052 where did you end up going?
Jeff! Put your phone on vibrate. It rings in every video lol
I love how you describe your ministry videos as arguments.
Another nice friendly discussion. Jeff has deep knowledge and comes out as a professional pastor. LDS people always come out as very nice and decent people. There is a lot of learning by listening to these discussions. I do not think most people change their religions in this manner but they do learn a lot and it is always good to learn more and accept others as they are.
13:48 she leaned in for a kiss and he looked forward :/ great video btw very well spoken
I noticed that as well...kinda awkward.
RIP
It’s terrifying. To find something you were raised to believe, something who you are is based on.
And then find out it’s wrong? My fear for Mormons is that not only do they turn away from their false doctrine but become so jaded as to turn away from the true doctrine as well.
That does happen to many. When I found out that the lds church was not true, I had a moment of floundering where I felt like I didn't know if I could trust that there even was a God. As soon as I asked the question, "who can I trust," I immediately got the answer that I could trust Jesus Christ.
It's amazing to think how God uses his people in this way. He literally reaches out to people in this way and grants them everything they need to plant humble truth within people.
He said ‘you’re acting like we’re breaking a commandment’ but they’re breaking the very first and most important