The CES letter highlights: Mormonism Refuted
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- Опубліковано 30 вер 2024
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Here's the link to the CES Letter so you can read it for yourself. It covers MUCH MORE than I covered in this video:
CESLetter.org
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Thanks for watching and God bless you!
I am Lakota and a ex Mormon.What Kimball said about Native Americans turned me away.I am a Christian and what you said is true.
Dude
I answered the DNA queation and they deleted it. They dont want the truth. You are trusting them though
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You are now a True Warrior! A Lakota Warrior for the one True God
What did he say?
Idk if Native Americans are descendants from Israel or not. I don’t care but logically thinking it’s like why would native Americans use a land bridge or ice bridge? 10000 years ago the ocean literally was 400 feet down. Massive sites like Easter island you could the visit massive sites now under water.
Or some say the Olmecs are Chinese which explain the flatter face as the Chinese fled their homeland to avoid genocide. It’d be possible for Chinese to travel by boat coming and going to Mexico.
Watch the movie kontiki. A guy builds a raft and sails from Latin America to Polynesia
Not an ex-Mormon, but I’m an ex-Jehovah’s Witness and they teach some crazy ass shit too
One of the things that JW&LDS have in common besides being from a nineteenth century spiritual seeker movement,Just like Mormon culture it has a strong history of shunning. I suppose the religious freedoms were the original cancel culture. Touché
@Kyree Grey you people know that hacking is illegal right? And this has nothing to do with the video y advertise something illegal rather if you feel your gf is not being honest rather than being sneaky n shady y not just ask her if she's comfortable with sharing her info with you and if not n you still have trust issues maybe get some professional help or just breakup/be friends rather than going down dark paths
@OTTO OCTAVIOUS yea that has worked so well🙄 Well mainly for the Arrogant old white heterosexual men at the top of a man made pyramid.
All reactionary, dogmatic, inhuman, discompassionate jerks claiming to be a follower of Christ are definitely rationalizing sociological shunning over Common sense and Love.
But then again what would I know about a story that has been rewritten and retold almost endlessly for the past two millenniums to placate bigots and sway the unthinking mouth breathing populous
Whatever you need to justify your inhumanity as humane to
I hope you have the true gospel.
I’m ex-lds & love studying all these weird cults. They’re entertaining af.
The 19th wife is a great source of information as well. B.Y had so many wives that he once was in town and introduced himself to a lady whom he had forgotten was actually already one of his wives. Imagine the look on his face and the recover from that.
@Amber Sanford! Priceless!
Hadn’t heard this one before! Classic!
mark twain did a little parody on that in the book roughing it. i didn't know it actually happened. rofl rofl
I cackled when I read what you wrote. Do you have a source?
Pimp Daddy Brigham 😂
I'm so glad I rejected the lds! I took a look into their belief system and was appalled. So much crap that they endorse. No thanks!
I pray to Christ Jesus that He leads all the good people out of the LDS church ❤️
Amen!
And I pray to Cthulu that he will lead all the good people out of Christianity
Jesus Christ said to pray to the Father.
I remember my mom and dad sitting all of us down and reading this crap to us. Anytime they would come across something that didn’t make sense they would say “that proves the church is true“. I’d like to thank her for that because that is why I am no longer a Mormon. When you see other people learn of things like this and just keep trucking along in ignorance, it forces you awake.
Just believe because they want you brainwashed too cult. Stamp out doubt is common in cults
Yes . That is truth right there!
i am not mormon i feel the same way when tv keeps playing evolution video's now they have trex swimming like a whale
My husband and I just left the Mormon church and your videos, including this one have really solidified my choice and helped me to be sure that I had made the right one.
Thank you!
I hope you haven't given up on God altogether! The Mormon god is false but the real God is not! Glad to hear that you left the LDS church but praying that you will find Jesus!
It's Me Jessie absolutely not! My relationship with God is honestly stronger than ever! Daily Bible study and so much prayer has made a huge difference! Also, really enjoyed your Good Friday video yesterday! ❤️
@@harleylamay1306 Oh, praise the Lord!!! 💕
Praise the Lord!!!
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Another great video, I have an old lds book from the early 60s. Pre priesthood, called “The Church and the Negro” I’m sure the church wouldn’t want to see or even acknowledge the book nowadays...
Hello send to her for video! May as well expose it. Racism is least of issues with LDS. Everything else
In the mid 70's Morman missionaries came to my home. They were using a book to tell about LDS founding. They turned to a page where a lightning bolt came down and blackened a man's skin. This they said was why Black people could not hold the priesthood. They explained they were marked with the sin of Cain. I will NEVER forget that. I said, "Wait a minute. This is not the God I know. " Some years later I read the NAACP went after them. Followed by their "prophet " receiving divine prophecy to allow them into the priesthood. They stopped polygamy when the US president said they would come in and shut them down. Just like the sin of Cain, the prophet at the time received a divine message to end polygamy. End of polygamy came before the end of the sin of Cain. There are so many other things to point out. I know it must be very difficult to be brought up believing this made up religion. There are good religions with bad people and bad religions with good people. When you can't ask questions that's a big red flag. Seek the faith that brings you closest to Christ.
Jessie, I was born LDS and for years struggled with it. After 40 plus years I decided to leave it but it has such a grip on that you feel guilty for leaving. Your videos calm me down and make me understand I made the right decision. I sincerely like how honest you are about how you feel about the church and how easy you make it for people to understand they are a cult. Thank you!
Ex-Mo for five years, it is very interesting to be able to look at the Mormon church from the outside. I can't believe how deluded I was.
Christ is freedom. Guilt is demonic.
When you embrace the true God, Jesus Christ then guilt and fear and shame flee from you ✝️
God bless you.
hey brother Dan, you left the church too early! Have you heard about the plausible discoveries of Nahom and Bountiful from the Book of Mormon? Have you heard about all of the chiasmus in the BofM? Or how about the ocean drift rates between old and new worlds that line up PERFECTLY with the Jaredites journey from the Book of Ether? The CES letter is a major fraud. Check out just 3-4 minutes of this video. 4:45 to 8:25......VERY FRAUDULENT SCHOLARSHIP !!! ua-cam.com/video/QKMWYMGunIg/v-deo.html
@@Ether-pb5gb there is no chiasmus in the bom thats a false theory moronists make up. It's horrid anachronistic things it's crappy Christian corrupted you points have nothing to do with the past it's LACMA nursing about Jews of the biblical texts it is already apparent it's pretty Masonic satanic usages its Corruption of the New Testament and contradictions they're so great a man contradictions within itself excetera excetera excetera it's Smith put himself into the text to which makes it laughably hilariously proven is a fraud like himself
@@yaruqadishi8326 no chiasmus? I didn't realize that you dropped out of 6th grade.
I love your channel, Jessie! I too left Mormonism to embrace the Lord Jesus and be born again. May your videos have God's blessings and reach many souls!
Do you know where that born again thing came from? It started with the "Great Reformation.' Read about that. That idea was not taught before then.
Now it's time for you to research Christianity and leave that cult as well.
Great video!
I grew up Mormon and then at about the age of 30 I left it. It's all thanks to my own study of the church, the CES Letter, and wonderful UA-camrs like yourself!!
Thank you for all you do!
If you left the church because of the CES letter, then you don't know much and you haven't studied much. I have studied both for and against books for over 50 years. This lady doesn't even know the basic doctrines of the church. Talk about the blind leading the blind - she fits the bill.
And what is amazing is that the CES Letter is just a poorly researched exhaustive list of almost every bogus accusation leveled at the church from the past. It is like Jeremy Runnells is trying to just throw everything up on the wall to see what sticks. And the deeper you get into this letter it is just one blatant misrepresentation and fabrication after another. I am totally amazed that anyone gives it any credence at all. It is really that phony; no exaggeration. And like most of his contemporaries in the past, Jeremy Runnells is making his living promoting this work of fiction. Here is a reply to the CES Letter that goes through it point by point putonstrength.com/ces-letter/
The institution is flawless, good and righteous, restored. $100 billion, well let that accumulate until the end, when Armageddon or apocalypse happens. That's why we don't or why we just spend that money. K?
The Mormon Church, the Institution, Christian institution is flawless, just a few behaviors, human behaviors, your judging because of sinners?
Don't be afraid to see what it's about, nothing bad about it.
Paul Plumb Arguments for or against the church do not make it true or false. The truth is that the church / religion / god is false. There is no truth to your imaginary god or the prophets, the book of mormon, or the priesthood. Don't blind yourself to the reality of the world and life with bullshit dogma.
@@DavidN831 The truth hurts
Mormonism and Islam are so alike in many ways. Polygamy, angel with a true book from heaven, wives in heaven, salvation by works, etc, etc, etc.
True, except Islam is monotheistic (one god) & Mormonism is the most polytheistic religion (uncoutable gods)
Both are derived from the Abrahamic Covenant plus 11 other nations yet to be revealed.
All religions are fucked up
I am not a Muslim, though I have studied Islam, I cannot speak for Mormonism as I have not studied its theology that much, but from my understanding salvation as it is understood within christianity does not apply to Islam as within Islam there is no belief in the innate depravity of man, one achieves jannah (paradise) only through the complete submission to god, abandoning all false idols, and living in accordance with that which is halal (permitted by god). In regards to polygamy within Islam, I am not declaring any moral judgement upon it simply stating context, it is a result of the polygamy of pre-islamic arabia, and in fact limited the polygamy of its time. Islam would not state that an angel gave Muhammad a true book from heaven, but that the angel Gabriel spoke the word of god to Muhammad, which he would recite for scribes to write down, through a period 23 years of revelation. The wives in not stated within the Quran, though there are mistranslations, and it regarded by muslims in a variety of ways.
You wrong
Bring Em Young. :)
I think the CES letter is one of the primary reasons that LDS members are leaving the church in large numbers. Thank you Jeremy Runnells! His "excommunication" video is on UA-cam. The absolute highlight is when HE excommunicates THEM from his life! Joseph Smith, being a prophet and all, still did not foresee the damage the Internet would do to the LDS church. Mike Norton over at his NewNameNoah channel has actual filming of all of the Mormon temple rituals. Well worth watching. Thanks Jessie for bringing this letter to the forefront!
Yes, I've seen both channels! The internet can be used for so much good! I'm thrilled it's pouring truth into LDS member's lives about their beliefs!
@Hale Hafa I'm curious as to what your thinking is on "I have a sure witness that this gospel is of God." Do you mean your testimony? I question this because a few years back I had a friend (not a member of any religion---she questioned all of them and thought they were all "bogus") who was approached by Muslims. They challenged her to read the Koran (Qu'ran) and pray and ask God if Islam was true after reading it. She did and she said God "absolutely" spoke to her heart that it was true and she converted. She is a very devout Muslim to this day. At one time I also had a neighbor who was a Pentecostal. (and somewhat obnoxious about it---I got tired of hearing it)! The Jehovah's Witnesses came to her house and challenged her to read the Watchtower literature and pray about whether it was God's organization on Earth. She told them she was absolutely convinced that the JW's were a "cult" and she refused to accept their literature.Her "hope" however was to convert THEM. For whatever reason they kept coming back to her house to talk (she was a very nice person) and eventually she said there was "absolutely" a convincing testimony from God telling her she needed to convert and become a Jehovah's Witness. (Then I had to hear all about her conversion experience over and over!) I was glad we moved! LOL My point is that many adherents to many different religions on this planet get a "testimony" of the truth of their beliefs and a "supernatural" knowledge that "IT " is the true church. They can't all be correct, can they? So how do you believe they "know" this???
Well, the tree of knowledge, was the first warning, to partake of the fruit was the cause of after, so as on schedule, many will stray and it's for the same reasons, but this time it's the cloud of knowledge. Ironically it just so happens to partake of the Apple iPhone or Computer.
Is that a coincidence, the internet has caused this spit spurt of Athism, Flat Earthers and now those against the churches, more so, the LDS.
Now able to see the second coming of Christ. There was a time when the old timers were told, we'd be able to see things at the same time over the entire earth. Wasn't possible, but they held their faith and here we are, it's possible now.
They said, we'd be hearing Trumpets, are we? Trump/Pence. A bloodless brain of deception, it's what the internet is, it has so many truths, but out weighed by false notions about the truths.
That money the LDS does not spend, is not for now, it's for that moment that's to come and everybody knows what that is. I would not want want that money being spent niether, it's too much of a resk, Prophet Monson took none of it, but yet made sure it's still accumulating, not for him, but for survivers. Like they said then, " don't believe everything you see on TV, "☝ that goes for the internet aswell.
Every decade had its tribulations, everyone was worst than the other, Now we're experiencing not a century's tribulation nor a decade's, but a millennium 's, as on schedule, people still don't understand, we're witnessing tribulation, look at the news, or is it just fantasy?
@Hale Hafa Do you believe that the death of Jesus on the cross is the full and only atonement for the remission on sin? That, as Ephesians tells us, we are saved by grace, thru faith (and that not of us, but a gift of God), not works, lest anyone should boast? Do you believe, as we are told in Deuteronomy, that there is no god but God, nay not one? Or do you believe you must complete the ordinances and that you may also be a god someday? You can't have both.
CES letter was debunked, it’s nothing more than a lie that can’t even quote their sources right. It also changes quotes to best serve it. I feel sad for all who got tricked by it.
My journey out of Mormonism started when they changed the temple ceremony. If the priesthood and it's Temple rights were restored by God, why change them?
Cause they were touching girls stomachs
You need to understand principles of truth and the practice of it- they are different. To say it’s not true because of the changes is like saying when Jesus taught more commandments and changed the old law to the new that the new is not wrong... bad logic
because times change and conditions change. What may work best in one time may not be the best in another time. In fact many things were changed by God going from old testament times to New Testament times.
@IYearn4HisReturn what who told me?
@IYearn4HisReturn why is it evil?
Has the Mormon church addressed the CES letter and talked about it with their members? I tried telling my family about it and they said they’re afraid to read it because of the temple question on affiliating with “anti Mormon” groups.
Jessie is wrong do your own homework because she is not! She is incorrect about 99%. Of what she says. There is no history of wheat in pre-America because it wasn’t recorded it’s known that we don’t know how long wheat has been in America because American Indians did not make records and neither did the people before them.
@tapir rider you are only versed in being rude. I doubt you got past 6th grade.
Old world barley:
ediblesouthwestcolorado.com/ancient-barley-an-old-world-grain-receives-modern-attention/
@tapir rider
www.supportingevidences.net/wheat-corn-barley-neas-and-she/
@tapir rider what can you tell me about the falseness of this report?
www.supportingevidences.net/wheat-corn-barley-neas-and-she/
@tapir rider you have absolutely no proof that barley was not on this land just like you don’t have proof of half the stuff that happened in the Bible but you believe that don’t you?
I found christianity after over 40 yrs of Mormonism. I have never been more at peace in knowing Jesus Christ.
Praise God!
@@nativebutnotofthisworld9792 Those who seek, find. You just need an open mind and a humble heart.
@@nativebutnotofthisworld9792 I have nothing to offer you. I am a mere mortal. A sinful, fallen creature.
God offers you everlasting life as a free gift. No strings attached.
Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
The fact that you will die someday shows that you have sinned.
God made a way past death. Jesus Christ abolished death.
2 Timothy 1:10 but now has been revealed by the appearing of our Savior Christ Jesus,
who abolished death and brought life and immortality to light through the gospel,
The true and living God who created you wants you to have everlasting joy.
He created you to have a love relationship with Him.
"Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thine heart and with all thine soul and with all thy mind."
The greatest thing in life is to know God.
Jeremiah 9:23 Thus says the Lord, “Let not a wise man boast of his wisdom, and let not the mighty man boast of his might, let not a rich man boast of his riches; 24 but let him who boasts boast of this, that he understands and knows Me, that I am the Lord who exercises loving kindness, justice and righteousness on earth; for I delight in these things,” declares the Lord.
John !7:3 This is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.
Unfortunately, your sins separate you from a infinitely holy God.
Isaiah 59:2 But your iniquities have made a separation between you and your God,
And your sins have hidden His face from you so that He does not hear.
Worse still, there is nothing you can do to merit everlasting life. You cannot bribe God.
Galatians 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law:
for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
The good news, the gospel, is that God is rich in mercy. God made a way for you to be reconciled to God, by the death of His Son.
Jesus Christ, who was God in the flesh, humbled himself, shed his blood, died and rose again. He paid the penalty for all your sins when He died on the cross. All you need to do is humble yourself, repent of your sin and put your faith in what Jesus Christ has already done for you. And God will grant you the gift of everlasting life.
@@nativebutnotofthisworld9792 That's not what your early prophets taught. Truth is very important and there's just no truth in Mormonism.
Now Shay, please prove to me that the Bible, it's character and events, are true, or that they ever even happened. Prove to me that Jesus ever existed. Prove that ANYTHING you believe is true. I can recommend you to a good Tony Robbins motivational presentation that will be of as much help as what you're experiencing.
Ferguson was the reason I left 6 years ago. See the Bible as a guide to life and not a religion. The Bible is all you need and through it you will know Jesus and who he really is. Faith is personal. Establish your own relationship with God. The Jesus in the BOM is not the Jesus of the Bible.
Well Said!
@@ebear6555 No, a delusion cannot be well said. The thing is a proven deception. Anti Mormons are delusionalists using trickery .
The CES letter has no invitation to search for Jesus in the Bible or gain a testimony of him by Prayer. Instead it’s leading the reader to abandon faith and make the search for God illogical. Christians that followed Jesus shared the Gospel with love for both the Jew and Gentile. Brother Runnels insults and counter on his blog are not Christ like in any form. Christians propogating this are doing more harm to the faith based community than good
Born into it, it took me a few decades to find the truth. Frankly, I consider myself lucky. My parents weren't devout and I wasn't "properly indoctrinated" as a child. It's culty, authoritarian and patriarchal and uses thought suppression and guilt. Not a fan.
Rational guy, I can prove to you that your church is as false as a 3 dollar bill. Do you want me to prove it to all our readers?
@@robertmelcher904 I'm perfectly aware that Mormonism and all religions are false. They are simply myth and superstitions that people still believe. What did I say that led you to think I have a religion??
@@utah133 if you are an atheist, i invite you to refute a syllogism titled BOOK OF MORMON DEBUNKS ATHEISM. Do you accept my invitation?
@@utah133 Hey! Many people who leave the LDS church turn to atheism because they are so angry and feel so much betrayal for being lied to all of their lives! I was raised in the church from birth in 1954 until I left in 1992. For a long while I felt the same. Then one book changed my life. "Evidence That Demands A Verdict" by Josh McDowell. Give it a read.
@@kkheflin3 I'm not mad at all. Clear, logical thinking pretty much verifies that there's probably no God and that no religion is true.
You maid it half way out, don't stop.
Ikr lol
It is interesting to me that you used evidence, logic, and reasoning to determine your belief system is in fact untrue but you don't use the same logic and reasoning to determine that religion in general is untrue.
wjchanter agreed, no religion holds up to logical scrutiny
Well we all belive something, the world might be created or it came into existance by itself. Personaly i belive we are created, because i think its more logical than nothing exploded and became everything. I dont belive in Gods though, but a creator.
Bjørn Svendsen respectfully, “nothing exploded and became everything” is just as rational and reasonable an argument as “grand space wizard clicked everything into existed because he wanted it to”.
As in, neither of those things happened.
EmperorSmith my point is that you are free to belive what you want, but to belive in a creator makes more sense to me, if you belive in something else its np. We are talking about belives right? Beeing religious doesnt mean you cant be scientific though. Science dont care if it exsist because of creation or not. However just because Josph Smith made falsh claims, doesnt mean that all religious claims are falsh.
@@bjrnsvendsen7727 I get you bud. And honestly no direspect meant by it. It's just that the "magical" explination of the facts - such as "a creator being summoned everything into existence by sheer force of will" - I don't see as being any more plausible than "nothing exploded and became everything" - even though the "nothing explodes into everything" is a completely disingenuous reading of the Big Bang theory, as It wasn't "nothing" - it was "everything" condenced into a single point.
I had most of these questions in my mind from the age of ~10. I'm 38 now. 28 years of just accepting the answer 'it just is'. Nope, Mormonism is NOT Christian and is entirely based on lies by a greedy man who had greedy followers.
The LDS church is just a large corporation like Exxon or Disney masquerading as a church.
When you look into how much money they've spent on vanity projects you'll be shocked
@@choicemeatrandy6572 oh like what lol I wonder if you are talking bout the mall? Which helped save the economy and didn’t come from tithes?
@@jt2481 What percentage of those tithes go into helping people and not aforementioned vanity projects/buying apple stock?
@@choicemeatrandy6572 it would help if you listed what are the vanity projects you mention. Im not sure what exactly youre bringing up.
@@jt2481 I'm talking about how much money the lds church pours into buying stocks or buying private farm land in comparison to what they actually give.
Good detailed list of errors in the BofM. Once you see those, it's easy to see the same type of errors in the PofGP and bible. I respect that some need to believe in something greater, but they have to turn a blind eye to an awful lot of evidence.
For any and all denominations or individuals, everything hinges on who/what we believe Jesus to be. 'Who Do You Say I Am?' Matthew 16:13-20 Anything including an angel, alien, human, etc. diminishing those facts are heretics.
You should do one on why Mormonism is racism..for those of us that are mixed..thanks
Already did! And more to come cause this one only scratches the surface!
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@@itsmejessie oh awesome..I missed that one..thank you!
"I will remark with regard to slavery, inasmuch as we believe in the Bible, inasmuch as we believe in the ordinances of God, in the Priesthood and order and decrees of God, we must believe in slavery. This colored race have been subjected to severe curses, which they have in their families and their classes and in their various capacities brought upon themselves. And until the curse is removed by Him who placed it upon them, they must suffer under its consequences; I am not authorized to remove it. I am a firm believer in slavery." (Prophet Brigham Young in the Joint Session of the Legislature, January 1852)
“From the days of the Prophet Joseph even until now, it has been the doctrine of the Church, never questioned by any of the Church leaders, that the Negroes are not entitled to the full blessings of the Gospel. Furthermore, your ideas, as we understand them, appear to contemplate the intermarriage of the Negro and White races, a concept which has heretofore been most repugnant to most normal-minded people from the ancient patriarchs till now. God’s rule for Israel, His Chosen People, has been endogamous. Modern Israel has been similarly directed. We are not unmindful of the fact that there is growing tendency, particularly among some educators, as it manifests itself in this area, toward the breaking down of race barriers in the matter of intermarriage between whites and blacks, but it does not have the sanction of the Church and is contrary to Church doctrine.” (LDS First Presidency (George Albert Smith), letter to Virgil H. Sponberg (critic of the anti-black ban), May 5, 1947)
@@kkheflin3 yep. That curdled my milk too. Native Americans were also called Lamanites too. Pry recall that too. Lots of intentional abuse like that.
Easily found online (there are several several PDF versions), “The CES Letter” by Jeremy Runnells poses a lot of questions regarding contradictory information regarding Mormon doctrines and the Book of Mormon.
Also easily found online, "A Faithful Reply to the CES Letter by a Former CES Employee," by Jim Bennett. It answers every question that Jeremy Runnells asks.
canonizer.com/files/reply.pdf
@@ConnorSmith-lh7uw no it doesn't answer it's a start with false conclusions and make stuff up so no way that incorrect but it's all so laughably wrong so no and I thought he did blong more on his some this video does too so did you actually watch the video or are you just scared
@@ConnorSmith-lh7uw You have been pwnd.
Grew up Mormon and gay, it was horrible and I felt isolated. I left the church and came out when I was 20. After I had served an 11 month mission, I couldn’t finish because it was so hard to be gay and constantly with another guy who I was attracted to but teach people that what I was, was evil. I have come out and I have a beautiful fiancé and I am happy. Though I still struggle with spirituality and what comes after we die. I’m still happier than I was when I was in the church or should I say Mormon cult
Congrats!
Yeah, I remember leaving the church about 4 months back, and I was attending for six months, but later, God got ahold of me and told me that the LDS church is not the way to heaven. He did tell me we are saved by grace through faith, and that's all (ephesians 2:8-9) so it can be comforting to know that even though I mess up and we all do, we can still make it to heaven if we put our trust in Jesus alone for salvation.
So, you are a pervert and take pride in your actions that God himself has condemned in no uncertain terms in both the Old and New Testaments - way before the Church ever existed. Very sad.
Were you molested by a male when you were a child? How much pornography did you consume? At what age did you start? I have a good friend that is a therapist. She said that in treating over 3000 cases over the last 20+ years she has not met one homosexual that was either 1) not molested as a child or 2) did not consume pornography.
If you were molested, get help. It's out there and the damage can be reversed. If you brought this on yourself by consuming porn, get help. This is only slightly different than guys who view straight porn and find it impossible to be monogamous. Their lack of chastity and self control can be addressed in therapy. Your lack of chastity and self control can likewise be addressed. To be ok settling with the Telestial Kingdom should not be ok. You deserve better than that. Good luck overcoming your challenges.
@@erikmartinez6726
So everything that Peter, James and John wrote is superceded by what Paul wrote??? 🤦♂️ You do know that Peter, James and John were the First Presidency and that Paul was never a member of the Twelve Apostles, right? Paul was a great missionary, but his letters to various Bishops were never meant to be doctrine for the whole Church. I am sticking with what Peter, James and John wrote - that Faith without works is dead, and that we show our faith by our works.
Gross
I enjoy seeing all the posts from ex-mormons. I’ve been studying to book of mormon and comparing it to the Bible. This video and the CES letters have saved me so much time
The Bible doesn't prove the accuracy of the BOM because it supersedes the Bible in knowledge about salvation. Your comparison therefore was a futile attempt to find the truth, if that was actually your purpose. Your comment above looks more like a cheap attempt to state that the Bible is the fulness of the gospel, which is what Protestant believe. I think your just a lying Protestant trying to convince us that your were a Mormon.
Carrow
Please don’t be a hypocrite and critically judge the Book of Mormon and then just magically sssume the Bible is true. I hate that. So many leave Mormonism and yell praise Jesus im saved and then never critically study the Bible:
It’s like Moses was commanded to commit genocide against Canaan. Abraham and jacob etc practiced polygamy. Magic happens and Moses the magician turns stick into snake.
What's amazing to me is how many people here profess a belief in the Bible while seeing clearly what a hoax the BOM is. I would suggest reading from scholars such as Bart Erhman to realize the only difference between the truth of the Bible and the truth of the BOM is the centuries separating the respective storytellers. Keep studying and seeking the truth!
I suggest the book "Evidence that Demands a Verdict" by Josh McDowell.
Sounds like someone who only wants to be skeptical and think critically about some religions but not others. Are you willing to see the irony? I was raised Mormon and when I applied the same critical evaluation to all religions as I did to Mormonism, it was a true awakening. Those who fully understand the CES letter are halfway there.
@@mattmower6370 have you critically thought through Atheism? Or the theory of evolution? Both require a massive amount of faith to accept and both are filled with questions without answers and enormous problems. The Bible isn't blind faith at all. It's historically accurate and has evidence to back it up from every angle. Biblical Christianity offers a systematically coherent worldview that can be found nowhere else. To believe that life all miraculously evolved from an explosion that somehow created a germ that somehow became every living species we see today and an earth and solar system full of order and unbelievable intelligence makes more sense than a Creator God and Designer? I don't think so. Why are monkeys still in existence if they evolved into humans? How come species can only reproduce with it's own kind? Yet somehow some bacterial blob billions of years ago became every different species we know of from an elephant to a platypus to a T-Rex? How? How could some "Big Bang" bring about something as mind-blowing and complex as a single human cell let alone the entire human body? Where's the missing link between monkey and man? That hoax has been exposed over and over again because it doesn't exist. The evidence for Christianity is overwhelming and yet it is truly on the Atheist and Evolutionist to provide the evidence for their faith because it is tragically lacking and terribly unconvincing. God created science and His Word does not contradict it whatsoever. There are elements of the Bible that require faith and yet the Bible is a Book that has withstood all of time and the gates of Hell shall not prevail against it. Humanity has been trying to rid itself of God for generations and yet Christianity remains and the Gospel continues. Can you not see Biblical prophesies literally playing out before your very eyes in the day and age we're living in? If not, I would just point you to 1 Corinthians 1:18-19. The cross is the power of Almighty God and His incredible grace! But to those who have rejected Him, it is but foolishness. I encourage you to seek after truth, my friend. As the Bible says, "The truth will set you free."
Omg, really?! That's where you're going with this? Tired platitudes and assumptions of belief just based on someone stating that the Bible should be critically analyzed with as much scrutiny as another holy book. Ok, well, when you're willing to put the same effort into critical analysis of your own religion that you're willing to put into other religions, maybe I'll give you another moment of consideration.
@@mattmower6370 I absolutely am and have. What am I missing here? What are my other options that offer coherent answers and a worldview worth basing my life upon? Where do your beliefs lie?
Indeed there is no argument at NASA regarding the starbase "Kolob" - Smith's book was clever but simply a prop for a con.
@Mike Kebbingler Fascinating. What other things, such as Zelph, Mahanroymorryanchemorh, and Zarrahemlah, was Joe Smith capable of? They were all figments of his plump imagination.
@Mike Kebbingler Wow! A planet? How do you know this?
@Mike Kebbingler No, Joseph claimed in the Book of Abraham that Heavenly Father lives on a planet next to the STAR Kolob. Also, that our sun gets it's light from Kolob.
@Mike Kebbingler Agreed. He was middle-eastern, so he looked the part.
What is kolob? A planet or sunstar?
We need you. Glad you have picked up the gauntlet to open many eyes. Mormons can not go to anyone in the church to ask question due to ramifications.
not true, questions are human and welcome
Not true, at all! Latter-day Saints can go to numerous people in the church to ask questions and can get any answer they need. Ultimately, the best answers come from God, himself, the source of all truth. Be honest when you write stuff.
@@MrArtist7777 I politely disagree. When I had tough questions, my church leaders made sure to let me know I was engaging in dangerous behavior (seeking truth) and they didn't have answers to the questions I had. Also, emotions/feelings (i.e. praying to God) are not a reliable method to establish truth. Analysis of historical evidence such as court records, journals, and other primary documents reveal much more about what actually happened than praying for an answer will.
For example, this is one of my questions. Why was Emma the 23rd woman to be sealed to Joseph Smith? After all, I had been raised my whole life in the church; primary, sunday school, seminary, mission. I knew so much Mormon history, right? Emma was Joseph's first and only wife, right? So I expected her to be the only one. But why was she the 23rd? My Bishop and SP said the answer wasn't pertinent to my salvation. Other members didn't even know Joseph Smith was a polygamist (polygyny and polyandry) and said I was mistaken. Praying, of course, didn't give me an answer. So I had to study the actual history. I found out about all of Joseph Smith's prior intimate encounters with women and it all made sense now. To maintain the illusion of a prophet, he needed people to think he was righteous, so the women needed to be sworn to secrecy. What a better way than creating a new ordinance called "celestial marriage," which was too "holy" for the women to talk about? Even to each other? For example, the Partridge Sisters were both married to Joseph independently of each other. Also, when Joseph got Emma to finally give in, she picked the Partridge sisters. He was "sealed" to them AGAIN at a later date because Emma didn't know about the first sealings, which he kept secret from her.
So basically he used sealings as a way to amass wives and keep them silent. If it really had anything to do with love and eternal families, he would have gotten sealed to Emma first and foremost. But that's not what happened. And no one at church is going to admit to you that this is the reason.
I can go on and on.
@@garrettrichards5559 Thanks for your reply, Garrett. Give me the names of who told you not to research church history, I'll chew 'em out! :) Yeah, not sure why anyone would say to not research church, Bible or any history as you can learn a lot, however, being an historian myself and having thoroughly research church history, I can honestly say, there has been a tremendous amount written about church history that is not accurate, comes only from opinion and speculation or is purposefully intended to lie about our church history and characters. And some church history we just don't understand as the records are either too scant and not given enough detail. It can be difficult to find what's actually true, especially since we don't have the characters here to testify themselves. Regarding the Partridge sisters and Emma, we know from scant records that Emma was opposed to plural marriage, of any kind, when Joseph first talked about it and began to act upon it, however, we don't have any records of who was sealed to Joseph Smith nor exact dates. That may sound like a cop out but, it's true, we can speculate but, we don't know exactly who was married or sealed to Joseph Smith and when, other than Joseph and Emma's civil marriage, which we have court records of. We have journal entries and notes after the events and many of them, long after the events of temple sealings, but we have no Nauvoo temple records of Joseph Smith's marriages. We know, from personal testimony, of several of the spiritual wives of Joseph Smith, in the church vs. Fed. Gov't on plural marriage, which my own great-great grandfather, George Reynolds, represented the church at, that several of these women Joseph had been sealed and married to, in the Nauvoo temple, had sexual relations with him, all who had not been civilly married to another man or where underage (under 18). Who was sealed to Joseph when, is speculation as we just don't know. We have various records which often contradict each other or are unsubstantiated. Either way, we know that Joseph Smith taught plural marriage by way of commandment from God but have little details of how it was carried out, until the 1850's Utah period, when it became public.
Likewise, we have no details exactly why Abraham, the ancient prophet, killed innocent people, why he practiced polygamy, why Moses killed a man, practiced polygamy and ordered the genocidal killing of thousands of innocent people to steal their lands. There's A LOT of scant historical accounts we just don't know all of the details of, which is why I suggested to pray for the answers. Sure, you can research but as an old college professor once told me, history is just that; his story, meaning, the story someone tells, which may become an historical account is the story or one person that's likely biased to fit their narrative.
I believe Joseph Smith was a prophet of God, just like Peter, Isaiah, Moses and the others listed in the Bible and I believe he did the best he could with what he knew and that we know only some of what he knew. I spent years not active in the church, attending other churches and studying many other religions and philosophies and couldn't give a tiny rat's butt about the church, however, I had a friend rail agains the church one day and it's leaders, which I thought was unfair and flat-out wrong, as I knew he was lying. I decided to read the Book of Mormon, as an adult, which I had never done and never cared to, and prayed to know if it was true or just a hoax, like my friend said it was and I got a powerful answer, an audible one, that it was true and that the church was true. Not what I had expected. I was bothered by some of the church history, especially polygamy and banning the priesthood to some so I began researching, over 30 years ago, traveling to: New York, Ohio, Missouri, Illinois and Salt Lake City, where I wasn't from, to church sites, church records and critical books. I found as I mentioned earlier, there is scant records or no records of some of the things I was researching but a TON of opinions from others. I found the only source of real truth is from God and have faith that I'll learn everything I need, some day. I know that the church and its leaders have done a tremendous amount of good in the world, have fed and clothed millions of people, have taught good principles and have done their level best to help others and do their best. Neither Joseph Smith nor any other church leader is perfect and neither am I but they have done their very best and are guided by God. Kind of like rolling a car tire down a street, it will get off track, wobble a bit, nearly tip over at times but eventually, gets to the right destination with good guidance. Please read the scriptures, keep researching and don't forget to pray! God bless
@@MrArtist7777 when I was an investigator for nearly 4 months, I had questions. Sometimes it was met with polite change of subject or the casual "you have so much to learn, worry about that stuff later once you grasp the core". It seemed an excuse to push the question away.
Other questions I noticed seem to annoy active members with harsh statements telling me that "if you are looking for issues don't waste our time". These gruff replies were brutal and awkward. Fortunately, that was from a select few.
The Mormon missionaries that were assigned to me often played "good cop / bad cop" one being very kind and supportive, the other often 2nd guessing why I was asking certain questions.
The 3 of us spent lots of time together. We visited the Smith Farm (I'm only 15 miles away from Palmyra, NY) and the Book Publishing building. The history was fascinating. Shame these 2 guys finished their trip. The new missionaries were not as educated or as friendly and I lost interest as an investigator and did my own homework.
Just a quick question, what is the purpose of doing this, this is basically your whole channel just talking bad about the church, you know that while you are making these videos you are destroying families that believe in eternal life with them. These Mormon families are trying to do their best to follow God and do good in this world and you are just destroying that. I don't get it, why people do this just talk about stuff that will eventually make someone leave the church. My opinion, if you are a Mormon keep on being one because you are the difference in this world making it better, and that is proven.
“If we have the truth, it cannot be harmed by investigation. If we have not the truth, it ought to be harmed”. (J. Reuben Clark, The Church Years, p. 24)
“Talking bad about THE church”. No.
Discussing facts about an organisation that is one of the youngest religions in the world.
I left the church as a teenager because I couldn't make sense of anything. I was gaslit and abused because of it, and yet here we are, with others who came to the truth.
Good on you. If you've been gaslit and abused for leaving then you can assure yourself you've done the right thing.
I only hope you still believe in God and hopefully Jesus. I left the church about 8 years ago and no regrets whatsoever. Mormonism has alot of good stuff but it ain't the one and only true church. They struggle to provide simple answers to very pertinent questions and their historical truth claims are a major problem for them.
Many many more will leave and their dogmatism will not go down well for them.
I stopped going when I was about 17. I don't recall the last time I went (I'm 37 now). Luckily I wasn't abused or anything like that, but something had definitely happened to my older sister and I don't know what. She was all about the church until she was about 24-25. Then she stopped going, and lived a normal life. Anytime the church would get brought up in conversation she would change the topic and visually be uncomfortable. Unfortunately my sister passed recently due to cancer, but one of the things she told her husband was that she didn't want the church doing anything at her grave or funeral or anything. I'm going down the rabbit hole now, as I hadn't really thought of anything church related and I'm getting more and more angry at myself and my family who brought me into that life for being so susceptible to these blatant made up things. I'm hoping to find some kind of peace in this educational journey because I never found peace in that church. I'm very sorry to hear that you were abused, and I hope if you haven't already that you find your peace.
1769 is not 17th century.
Talking about the KJV writing, not BoM
What she’s reading is referring to the original KJV translation, done in 1611. The KJV was produced in the early 17th century. Joseph Smith’s 1769 edition was a printing of a 17th century translation
@@markking8292 Indeed. One of the prima facie falsities of the BOM is that it is supposedly a 19th century translation and yet it sounds suspiciously like 17th century English! 19th century Americans weren't talking with "thees" and "thous" and other flowery, old timey grammar.
Cut her a break.. the church doesn't believe in educating us... we had a lot of catching up to do.
Good video Jessie. Fun fact. Jessie was “my new name” that the Mormons gave me in the temple. I went on a Mormon mission to the Bible Belt. So I’ve heard a lot of Christians arguing points against Mormons. Kudos to u for staying out of that. When that happens Mormons just roll their eyes. What u did by sharing these highlights kept any Mormons watching instead of just rolling their eyes. God job. U also seem really knowledgeable about Mormonism. Good job doing good research.
Since losing my faith I’ve become an agnostic. I can’t bring myself to believe that an all powerful being, capable of anything, made a plan that required his son to be tortured and die. And then for only a minority of his children to return to live with him. I can’t believe that a Jewish person who is an amazing human will go to hell cuz they don’t believe in Christ but a horrible person who says a prayer and “accepts Christ” goes to heaven. Sorry. If there is a god. And that’s his plan. I can’t worship that god. Ironically you’d say that god is good and all loving. But any parent who does something like this you’d also say is a horrible parent. I just can’t. If it’s bad for me to do that to my kids I can’t worship a god that does that.
Some persons never hear of Christ. Others are prejudiced against Christianity because of the bad example given by Christians, and because of this "invincible prejudice" they never accept Christianity. Nevertheless, if they hold themselves to moral conduct, repent when they slip, and believe in a just God, God will take them into heaven. I was taught this in a Catholic high school in the late 1950s--and also, of course, that God prefers everyone to be Catholic though he isn't a hardass about it. Much more humane than some evangelical doctrine. I left Catholicism because of disagreements on other matters.
So, is this lady debunking one form of magical thinking (Mormonism) and endorsing another form of magical thinking (Christianity)? Weird.
Thank you! I’m a believer in Christ and I’ve been looking for someone good to listen to on this topic!🌸
Studying the Church through the eyes of its defectors is like interviewing Judas to understand Jesus... Neal a Maxwell
If you wanna to know the Truth I request you to attend lds church and study by yourself slowly and gradually and truth will be manifested
@@dalipgupta8275 I’ve been doing some studying on The Mormons and Joseph Smith!
@@melissaamoroso2205 hmmmm plz do and I'm sure you will know the real and complete truth 😊 I Investigated for almost five years then I got baptised. definitely no Way any church any organization can survive in those circumstances without divine help. There is another you tube channel saint unscripted I request plz check
@@melissaamoroso2205 Joseph Smith is a false prophet
You seen to be sincere,
Thank you
don't confuse sincerity with the truth. The CES letter is a major fraud. Check out just 3-4 minutes of this video. 4:45 to 8:25......VERY FRAUDULENT SCHOLARSHIP !!! ua-cam.com/video/QKMWYMGunIg/v-deo.html
Watch the video called Holy Bible vs Book of Mormon. Tells a lot in the video.
@Ernest Marcucelia.... Yes that's an excellent video!!!!!
does it explain all of the chiasmus and other hebraisms found in the Book of Mormon? Or does it talk about the discovery of Nahom? The CES letter is a major fraud. Check out just 3-4 minutes of this video. 4:45 to 8:25......ua-cam.com/video/QKMWYMGunIg/v-deo.html
I am a Catholic believer with a good friend who is also LDS. We have had several pointed discussions about the historicity of the Book of Mormon. My friend Marty (an elder and a holder of the Melchizedek priesthood in the LDS Church) rejects the broad scientific consensus of the Smithsonian Institute that the alleged history of the Book of Mormon is not compatible with the archeological evidence of Meso-America. I have suggested that Mormons and ex-Mormons find another option. The fact is that Joseph Smith, the Book of Mormon, Doctrine & Covenants, and the Pearl of Great Price are all part of what we call “Americana.” That is, they are part of American culture and literary history. It is obvious that the Book of Mormon was composed and not translated. It falls under the category of “religious fiction.” In that sense, it has value to Americans as part of our literary culture. Joseph Smith could be considered an American fiction writer who turned his work into an organized religion. Very uniquely American to say the least… and certainly no mean feat! 😊😊😊
I read the CES letters and prayed to FEEL if they were true, yes.
The CES letter is a major fraud. Check out just 3-4 minutes of this video. 4:45 to 8:25......VERY FRAUDULENT SCHOLARSHIP !!! ua-cam.com/video/QKMWYMGunIg/v-deo.html
@@Ether-pb5gb more like fraudulent like your face.
Your words are fraudulent. That video is flooded with shit and lies to cover to satanic Lies.
@@Ether-pb5gb Yes these videos also prove the CES letter a fraud. UA-cam "LDS transaction law suit part 1,2,3,4," So far thousands have came to debunk it and cannot.
@@paulgregersen3570 Joseph Smith is a false prophet
@@paulgregersen3570 the book of abraham and book of mormon are a fraud and a hoax. They are totally false. They are nonsense and full of stupidity. American are not Jewish descendants but they are native American indian who are from asia .
Great to hear from a Bible Believing Christian.
The bible isn't real either. They are all man made books of fiction.
@@blahtime99 Another LIE perpetrated by those who have lost their Faith, they must DESTROY everyone else's!
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@@Agenda21Truth1 How is that a lie? There is 0 evidence for the bible's historical accuracy.
@@blahtime99 Why are you HELL-BENT on Destroying peoples Faith? Why don't you go on your merry way & leave people alone? It doesn't mount to a hill of beans or make a difference in your day to day life, so why not let it alone? I refuse to debate you on the subject because It won't effect your view of it, but the Truth will be known in The End, & we'll both know it then!✝️🙏🏼
Physical EVIDENCE for The Bible's teachings. ua-cam.com/video/oQd-fdpq9mk/v-deo.html
@@Agenda21Truth1 You mean you won't because you have ZERO evidence. It's sad that you can't offer even a speck of evidence for something that you are basing your life on. And no, quoting the bible doesn't count as evidence.
How can you use good logic, science, history to debunk Mormonism. Apply them to the bible and it also falls apart. Are slavery, misogyny, condoning genocide, murder, and torture, which the bible condones, your idea of morality?
The Bible does not condone these things.There are stories and situations involving these things in the Bible.Apostles who spoke to people who already had slaves were not there as social Justice Warriors but there to tell them all the way of Salvation
The Genocide was against hybrid, not humans to spare humanity.Thats the point.
necksugar So Catholics and Jews and others that did not practice the protestant faith of the reformation we’re all hybrids what do you mean by highbred. something less than human
I tried to find out about Mormonism through the people themselves. I knew that Mormonism was not Christianity, but was not sure about what they believed. As it turns out, neither are they. They cannot answer questions with any kind of consistency, and I got plenty of self-contradicting answers. When I read the King James Version in the BOM with italics, both those things really bothered me.
At the same time, I was getting so many lies from them -- and it was impossible for sure to say that they were lies because I'm thinking now that their members are being lied to by their own church. So where does the deceit begin, where is its origin?
Also at this time, I wanted to know how Joseph Smith supposedly got the BOM and why did anyone think this guy was a Christian. There is NO straight answer, and there are numerous versions of how he got the book -- ALL of which are Satanic/occultic in method and origin. Joseph Smith starts out a scoundrel, claims to do real wizardry/necromancy, and it goes down hill from there. No conversion experience, no saving testimony, nothing whatsoever that he became a Christian while at the same time he was practicing various forms of sorcery.
Why would anyone think that God would have anything to do with any of this?
you seem to have opened the door on mormonism at a bad time.
you see they had it all to themselves for so long. that means they could say anything they wanted and the people kind went along without asking any questions. now with the internet things are a little different.
it all started when mark hoffman blew up those people in salt lake city. mark hoffman, you will remember, was a documents forger, and he blew up some people who were about to blow his cover.
then he got caught.
and the mormon church had to come clean about what they had just bought.
and what they had just bought was a letter about a salamander that turned into angel moroni.
which is kind of bad. but the only thing is, is that hoffman wrote the letter himself.
so anyway the church got caught trying to hide really damning stuff. which they didn't have to acknowledge, but they did. in for a penny in for a pound.
and then all of sudden they come up all smiles and happy and admitted to a whole lot of stuff, like "nothing new here."
so that's where things are now.
things they admit to: joseph smith wrote the whole book of mormon while looking at a rock in his hat. so why the big story about a angel and gold plates?
joseph smith had 40 wives and was doing other men's wives. yep. the youngest was 14.
assassins. that one they kind do admit and kind of don't admit.
need for a prophet: this is a kind of big one really. if mormons get personal revelation, why do we need a prophet? especially when their doctrine changes. doesn't that make the old prophet look kind of foolish?
so anyway, that's why there's so much disagreement in modern mormonism. things are in a state of flux. they're trying to keep it together and at the same time trying to make accomidations for the truth.
My friend was a Mormon and he took me to one of their churches at one point. The preacher went up to the altar and I swear he actually said,
"9/11 was a good thing!" I kid you not! He blamed it on abortionists, LGBTQ people and other minorities. I whispered to my friend that we had to go immediately cause all hell was going to break loose if we didn't. So we left. People who think that way are the reason why the world is the way it is today. It's blatant hypocrisy: Preaching love, peace and compassion and then turning around and condemning people because they don't agree with the fact that they are different. It makes me mad that I breathe the same air as these idiots
We don't have alters in churches. Your comment just shows what a clown 🤡 you are.
Well, you've taken a great first step by realizing all the demonstrable falsehoods within the LDS Church. Next Step: Apply the same standards of Evidence, Logic, and Reason to ALL religions! It turns out that _none_ of them fare well in the light of Historical, Scientific, or Academic inquest.
OmniphonProductions
Did that. Jesus wins 👍🏻
@@christiankaiser4471 May want to try again...this time without assuming the outcome _before_ beginning the experiment.
OmniphonProductions
Yes I was an atheist. Been there. Done that. Jesus wins. Friend, just expand your mind and see that there was a beginning and there is a creator of the beginning.
50 years ago science said the universe was eternal.
No they agree with the bible that the universe had a beginning.
✝️
Check out quantum physics. The Logos is real 🙏🏻
@@christiankaiser4471 Actually, 100 years ago, the evidence for the Big Bang was so conclusive that the Pope himself offered to make it official doctrine. However, Georges Lemaitre...the Jesuit priest with a PhD in Astronomy, who first discovered universal expansion...told the Pope that authoritarian declarations of doctrine were directly antithetical to how science works.
Of course, beyond a Creator, Lemaitre couldn't explain THE beginning...because Quantum Physics had only just been discovered. Since then, ACTUAL Quantum Physicists have directly observed evidence of matter popping in and out of existence...out of nothing. As such, everything that exists _can_ plausibly exist _without_ a Creator. Thus, if you want me to _expand my mind_ to incorporate a Creator, the onus is on _you_ to present convincing evidence for His existence, involvement, and intentions.
You'll also have to account for how a being complex enough to create the universe doesn't require a Creator to create Him. If you can overcome this logical fallacy of Special Pleading, then maybe you'll set me on a path toward God. Until then, as a good Christian, you'll have to _forgive me_ if i don't rely on a book from the Bronze Age (full of demonstrable falsehoods and self-contradictions) as my guide to life. Either way, I wish you a happy, plentiful, and love-filled life.
OmniphonProductions
You’re missing a major point. Matter pops into existence only when it is observed.
Who is observing the universe ?
Good luck at the born again Christian thing. I went through all that in my 20s had took another 20 years of heartfelt investigation to be able to finally discard all Middle Eastern based religions. Now I'm peacefully and happily agnostic
Good luck to you on the agnostic thing. I spent 20 years as an agnostic until I happily and peacefully became LDS.
Good for you coming around to common sense
Was also a CES (or S&I) employee for 26 years. I'm aware of the points raised in the CES letter and completely agree with his analysis. I, too, left my employment and the church after learning of several inconsistencies in the church's claims when we were tasked to look at how to respond to criticisms against the church. Major issues were: the DNA study that determined the origin of the native American Indians; Joseph Smith's philandering which he got away with by instituting "plural marriage" but the worst part of it was his marrying the wives of other men, some of whom were faithful elders sent on missions overseas, all against the guidelines issued in D&C 132 and nowhere like the plural marriages of Old Testament prophets cited as justification for the practice; origin of the temple signs, tokens, symbols, and attire; Wilford Woodruff's explanation for the 1890 Manifesto which basically admitted the government's authority over God; and the bogus translation of the Book of Abraham; to name just a few.
You only need one false claim to destroy the Church's claim of divine sanction. But to have so many makes it pretty obvious.
Despite these damnable teachings. Some Mormons choose to remain Mormon for various reasons: public status, job, family ties, the culture, has Christian-like traditions, social reasons, marriage purposes, etc. And from what one man I spoke to--because he liked the idea of polygamy. He didn't care about doctrines or who Jesus was. Mormonism is a man-centered religion.
Tragic! 😢
Triumphator in Christ MAGA 2020
Also FEAR, fear that what if the Mormon church is true. They’ve been taught in a very diabolical way that their church is the one true church and their leaders will not lead them astray
@@MeToo-py1tq yes, this fear is difficult to overcome, it holds my family hostage! 😢 l praise the Father and my Lord Jesus that through them l am free.
@@MeToo-py1tq: Exactly. The BITE method.
@@alexislane1035: Finding peace and happiness does not mean you are saved. A Muslim, Hindi, Native American or a young lady in FLDS polygamist sect can find peace and happiness too. Only Christ through His Gospel (Bible) can save you (John 14:6)
I have read the CES Letter. In honesty I felt these were all very legitimate questions concerning Church doctrine, I was a TBM up to age 50, I lost my belief in the church while studying about church history and the Book of Abraham what started out as a spiritual journey, with the idea of being faith promoting. The life of Joseph Smith and the Book of Abraham became a wrecking ball to what I felt to be a strong testimony. Now I have come to the conclusion that all religion is crap. I no desire to believe in holy books or holy men. I am done with religion. I still believe that there is a God, but one who is above any dogma or religion.
Steve Smith - Awesome conclusion! ExJW Solidarity! 👍
John Lee well John you sure like to get out there with the accusations and personal insults. Are your issues bordering on hatred or just a warm dislike. I don’t pretend to have any special knowledge about your testimony or Temple worthy ness. I do question your commitment to your to the love your neighbor as thy self commandment, in this case your response has been very similar to what I seen in posts by evangelicals, I always thought the LDS were better then that. You probably should have started your response with bearing your testimony on you know that Joseph Smith was a Prophet or the truthfulness of the Book of Mormon. I talk about my personal experience and opinion. I don’t do character assassination or resort to personal attack’s. If you want to be the defender of the faith great, but have a little dignity.
John Lee well there you go again, name calling, trying to play the UA-cam bully. Were you looking in the mirror when you came up with hypocrite? I was expecting some sort of retort, not one so unthought out. If you get this out of wack with the comments of a stranger, then one can only imagine your reactions to people you actually know. Who have opinions that differ from yours.
Steve Smith
You shouldn't blame God because you were deceived by Joseph Smith. He warned you by Jesus Christ to not be deceived. I had to own it myself after a lifetime of delusion as well, so I understand your feelings. Peace.
@@Mikha335 All we have a man made religions and flawed humans preaching that they're the ones with the truth. If your Jesus or God or Allah or Buddha wants us to know something, let him tell us, not you
So what do you do and say about other people’s videos just like you but about the Bible- mistakes- things that cannot be proven. Stories told by people who were not present while things were happening, etc. how do you explain away all of those points for your belief in the Bible? (Also which Bible do you use?) If you can do that for the Bible why not the Book of Mormon?
Kyle Braby please link videos u mention.
@@TheIsabellakirra ua-cam.com/video/EZ2kGJk4Jo4/v-deo.html
Spoken like a Mormon who has NEVER read the whole bible and believes what her church leaders told her. Do some research and start in genesis asking God to teach you his truth.
Well those are just lies because all other versions of the Bible are maaaaggggicccccc
Mattathias Macabees we believe in the bible just as much as the book of mormon, I have read both and they are both the truth
in 2022, I went and spent a whole month in Utah for sport training and I was intrigued by the whole Mormon thing so I started researching the LTS and came across the CES letter, and I found it to be such an amazing read... My hat goes off to Jeremy Runnells for prioritizing truth and fighting for what is objective true.
The biggest lie from LDS is that the Book of Mormon is true but it is not...
If the Book of Mormon is true,
........why does LDS teach that Heavenly Father and Mary conceived Jesus to be the literal Son of God when Alma 7:10 says it was the Holy Spirit just like the Bible does in Luke 1:35 and Matthew 1:18
If the Book of Mormon is true,
........why does LDS teach that Heavenly Father is progressing which means changing and improving when Moroni 8:18 states that He is unchangeable?
If the Book of Mormon is true,
........why does LDS teach multiple gods must exist when Alma 11:28-29 says there is only ONE God just like the Bible does in Isaiah 43:10, Isaiah 44:6-8 and Isaiah 45:5?
If the Book of Mormon is true,
........why does D&C 42:18 say that murder can't be forgiven when 3 Nephi 30:2 says that it can?
If the Book of Mormon is true,
........why does D&C 130:3 says that God can't dwell in the hearts of men but Alma 34:36 says the He can?
If the Book of Mormon is true,
........why is there no mention of a restoration of the church when the Bible says in Matthew 16:18 that His Church (Jesus') will never be destroyed by any power not even the gates of hell with a solemn promise?
Do Mormons think that Jesus lied to Peter? Don't we read in 1 Peter 1:25 the Word of the Lord, the very gospel that was preached, will endure for ever? Does that verse lie?
If the Book of Mormon is true,
........why don't Mormons believe in the Trinity when reading 2 Nephi 11:7 which explains that Jesus is God, the second person of the Trinity and our Creator, not our elder brother. Other verified verses of the Trinity include Mosiah 15
:3, 2 Nephi 31:21 and 3 Nephi 11:27
If the Book of Mormon is true,
........then if LDS is the "only true church" how did so many splinter groups get created also based on the BoM?
--- Community of Christ (RLDS)
--- The Church of Jesus Christ (Bickertonite)
--- Church of Jesus Christ with the Elijah Message
--- Apostolic United Brethren
--- Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints
--- Restoration Branches
--- Church of Christ (Hedrickites)
--- Fellowships of the Remnant
--- Church of Christ (Fettingite)
--- Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (Strangite)
--- Church of Jesus Christ (Cutlerite)
If the Book of Mormon is true, why does LDS ignore what it teaches?
_I belong to the church of Jesus Christ of His spiritual church because Christ does not dwell in man-made buildings_ (Acts 17:24)_ (Acts 17:24)
Love this! You should help me with material and sources for future videos!
@@itsmejessie Here is something I tell Mormons all the time to disprove their idea about becoming a "god".
Through the Holy Spirit, the Bible contains a very powerful statement:
_"Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; _*_I know not any._*_ "_ -- Isaiah 44:8
Very powerful statement by GOD … I KNOW NOT ANY … NOT ANY!
Does GOD have amnesia, Alzheimer's or dementia that He doesn't KNOW of any other REAL god??? None at all? This is obviously not about idols since everyone, even we humans know about idols. They are all over the OLD Testament also.
Let's try another verse in Isaiah:
_"there is no God beside me"_ -- Isaiah 45:5
No other god? Not one? Some Mormons believe Heavenly Father also had a father but the Bible says for CERTAIN that He _never_ did as GOD would obviously know His Father, who would also be a GOD, would he not???
Yet how could GOD not know His own father if we read I KNOW NOT ANY?
Our Heavenly Father who loves us so much, who can count all the hairs on our head (Matthew 10:30) and we are more precious than the birds of the sky (Matthew 6:26) … how can He not know if _any_ of His children were exalted to be a god also? A father here on earth would be so proud to know their children achieved so much, and yet … He said, I KNOW NOT ANY … NOT ANY!
If we accept the Word of GOD as the perfect way our Heavenly Father can reveal to us His thoughts, commandments and insights into our future, how can we ignore a verse that tells us that our GOD … doesn't know of any god but accept the idea from Mormonism that men are becoming a god?
There is a contradiction that is can only be resolved in one way only … that LDS is a deceptive organization and Joseph Smith was a false prophet.
George Bauerschmidt wow
You seem to have all the knowledge and answers to bebunk and refute anyone from the church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints ?!
George , how did you acquire so much information ??
@@j.huffhumble4281 I read, study, analyze and ask questions. I also compare different viewpoints and then confirm the facts are valid. If Mormons did the same, they wouldn't be Mormons for long or at least begin the journey to discover some of the contradictions that don't make sense.
As an ex-Catholic I had to do the same before I was able to jump ship having been indoctrinated into that cult when I was born through my parents pushing me to follow all the details. It was a good experience and I won't say I was disappointed having been through it, but glad I was able to step outside the box and see it for what it was.
I also have invested a great amount of time learning about _Jehovah's Witnesses_ and _Scientology_ as well as _Christian Science_ and _Unitarianism._ Christian Science is fascinating and I can see how people can easily find themselves engulfed into that cult as easily. _Mormonism_ is perhaps the most fun to study because none of the other cults rely on the individual idolization of a man who was an adulterer, polyandry abuser, child molester, convicted criminal and sorcerer who looked at stones in a hat as a lie for finding lost treasures in the exact same way as writing a fictional book while claiming it was from GOD.
@@itsmejessie let me know how you would like some help or if you have an outline or would like me to provide you other information. I have been talking to Mormons for about 3 years now and trying to find ways to deflect their excuses or avoiding those areas that I know they can easily provide excuses (for example, I never bring up the concept that the BoM talks about Jesus being born AT Jerusalem as they find creative excuses about that error)
I also try to stay away from little nitpicky ideas that make no sense in the BoM as they are often excused by "inconclusive" or not enough information to be determined.
Instead, using the Bible with current beliefs and doctrines seems to be the best way to provide evidence of a contradiction. Once the contradiction is exposed, this causes problems unless a valid FACT can validate the reason. Usually, these so-called "facts" by the Mormons often will contradict other parts of the Bible or other Mormon history.
It's like Mom always said, when you start telling a lie ... it gets harder to cover up the other lies.
Have you research Christianity?
I am a Trinitarian Christian (Catholic Convert). It's not proper to think of Jesus "being" the Father. Jesus is NOT the Father. The Father is NOT Jesus. Jesus is God, and the Father is God. The Holy Spirit is God. The essence or substance of each of the Persons of the Trinity is God.
Hale Hafa *The Council of Nicea wants to know your location
who gives a rat's ass.
“I and the Father are one. If you have seen me, you have seen the Father”.
@@dittohead7044 That does not mean that the Father and the Son are the same Person. Modalism is a heresy and makes no sense.
Your right they are not each other
It would be funny if you researched all the claims thoroughly only to find all the holes in the letter. Poor sheep.
It's sad when you realize the CES letter is a plea for his life back! He desperately wants answers. I think the reality is there are lots of Mormons who don't care whether it's 'real' or not. They're content just rowing their boat downstream.
You're right, I'm a mormon who doesn't so much care whether it's "real" or not. But I'm not just rowing my boat downstream, I'm working hard on my life, my growth, trying to be better everyday. I'm on a path and it feels alive and amazing. Thanks to the LDS doctrine.
I would be doing this regardless if it was real or not. But it is real.
Jessie - Been subscribed for some time now and I dont know how I missed this one . I have read about bits and pieces on the info in this video ,, but this is the first time ive heard it all at once .. I took alot of notes and will re-watch this many times to get more . You can plainly see that your labor is not in vain by the many comments of Mormons coming to faith in the REAL Jesus of our Holy Bible . I use all your info I have seen along with my points of fact to reveal truth to Mormons I have known for years .. God bless and keep you safe Jessie ...
The CES letter is a major fraud. Check out just 3-4 minutes of this video. 4:45 to 8:25......VERY FRAUDULENT SCHOLARSHIP !!! ua-cam.com/video/QKMWYMGunIg/v-deo.html
But guys...church is only 2 hours now. Sure ya don't want to stay in the fold?
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Right!?! I've suffered through 3 hours my whole life, now they are tempting me! Lol
@@tiawirkus1537 Remember I will have no other gods, before me ⚡
That’s awesome lol
Pass. I prefer 2.5 hours of Liturgy.
Jessie, babe, you're doing a great job. I really benefit from the information you share. As a born-again Christian, how would you reconcile Ezekiel 23:20, the single most pornographic sentence in the history of human literature: "AND THERE SHE (the Israelite woman) LUSTED AFTER HER LOVERS, WHOSE PENISES WERE LIKE THOSE OF DONKEYS AND WHOSE EJACULATION WAS LIKE THAT OF HORSES." I have problems with a lot of the Bible, but this verse is over the top. I'm done. The Bible is a flawed book, JUST LIKE THE BOOK OF MORMON. How can you reconcile this verse?
I have followed your ministry for some time! Thank you for your boldness and for speaking the truth! God Bless you!!
Because the CES letter is SOOOO full of truth, right? Check out just 3-4 minutes of this video. 4:45 to 8:25......careful. Lots of people don't want you to watch this...ua-cam.com/video/QKMWYMGunIg/v-deo.html
16:20 Sounds exactly like David Koresh.
Don't drink the kool aid. Come on man, it's a joke
Who needs the CES letter? Nothing in religion makes sense!
If you've been raised in it your entire life, you've been taught to prioritize feelings over truth and facts. You get brainwashed, and sometimes it takes a document like the CES letter to get people to think about what has to be true for the church to be true, and then the sources are provided which show why the church is not true.
It makes sense only to those who are choosen and who have been awaken from their spiritual sleep and you haven't been woken .
@@alfredharding2193 Or if you don't know how to spot fallacious... or if you don't understand what burden of proof is and how it works...
@@garrettrichards5559 I need no proof I have thr gift of the holy ghost
@@alfredharding2193 So did I, and when I prayed to ask if the BoM was true I did not feel that it was. There was no feeling of confirmation. How can the same Spirit lead us to different conclusions? Hint: It's because the Spirit doesn't exist, it's just an emotional feeling that you ascribe to the Spirit. Emotions do not lead to truth. Facts and evidence do. Thankfully court cases are determined based on evidence, and not on prayers and feelings.
If the Book of Mormon is bogus why then would God 'cut out of the mountain without hands' two works of art where Joseph Smith is holding the Gold Plates? This art was predicted by both Daniel and Isaiah and interestingly 'hidden in plain sight' as you see it at the precise LINE OF SIGHT and at the exact TIME OF DAY when the sun's shadows reveal the vivid art. Joseph Smith was so fully familiar with the King James it would easily figure that he would utilize what he was familiar with over changing what he already believed to be the sacred word of God. Stop being a wiener about it!
I have my volume maxed and I can't hear you very well. Is it me or is your volume low like your mic is across the room?
I wasn't born into Mormonism but I have learned so much from your channel. Hopefully I will be able to speak to any Mormons I may meet in the future with compassion and intelligence. Thanks for all your work. Also, you so pretty. Free compliment :).
Always meant to tell you this story, about 3 years ago while painting my house this video started playing after I finished a general conference talk, thanks algos, I didnt even finish the video but I downloaded the CES letter read it all that night and the next morning I was done with mormonism after 37 years, 2 temple marriage, full time mission, eagle scout, and blessing my first child in the church. Since that day I have never set a foot in a mormon church, but I am a happy athiest now and my family is doing so well. thanks for your video it 100% chance the course of my life by complete accident.
So many pages constituting the ces letter are hugely lacking in any truth whatsoever. Every person impacted negatively by the ces letter must seek after truth from credible sources. Further, everyone must follow Mor 10 : 4,5. You must ask the Holy Ghost to give you spiritual confirmation.
The CES letter opens up so many possibilities. I thank Jeremy so much for writing it! It has saved so many lives!
@@blizzard2ooAs if the letter has negative impact
Sorry you were deceived by false teachings. In the gospels, it tells us to not be deceived. Jesus said many false Christ's would come, false teachers....especially in the last days. God loves you, and jesus did die for the whole world. Repent, believe in Jesus. and follow Him!
I wonder if their was a ces letter when Jesus was around disproving that he wasn't the Christ? The Holy Ghost is THE only thing that will tell you the truth.
The similarities between Joseph Smith and L. Ron Hubbard are interesting. One was a treasure hunter, liar, and convicted convict and the other was the most published science fiction author in history.
2 Peter 1:16
Joseph Smith was a HUGE plagiarist and not so clever nor cunning deviser of fables-- at least not one which would stand the test of time. The Scriptures clearly establish the test for assessing whether a prophet is or is not of God.
The Prophet
14 The nations you will dispossess listen to those who practice sorcery or divination. But as for you, the Lord your God has not permitted you to do so. 15 The Lord your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among you, from your fellow Israelites. You must listen to him. 16 For this is what you asked of the Lord your God at Horeb on the day of the assembly when you said, “Let us not hear the voice of the Lord our God nor see this great fire anymore, or we will die.”
17 The Lord said to me: “What they say is good. 18 I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their fellow Israelites, and I will put my words in his mouth. He will tell them everything I command him. 19 I myself will call to account anyone who does not listen to my words that the prophet speaks in my name. 20 But a prophet who presumes to speak in my name anything I have not commanded, or a prophet who speaks in the name of other gods, is to be put to death.”
21 You may say to yourselves, “How can we know when a message has not been spoken by the Lord?” 22 If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the Lord does not take place or come true, that is a message the Lord has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously, so do not be alarmed.
Why do you say he plagiarized?
Some people will be shown the truth and yet still choose to believe in fairytales
Do you guys believe in the Bible? Would you believe in it if it were only founded 200 years ago. What if it talked about dragons and unicorns and animals that had lion faces with wasp bodies. And scorpion tails. What if archeology didnt have enough evidence yet? What if we didnt have the original accounts? What if it was copied from stories of Greek and Roman pagan stories and rituals and Jesus just took ideas from other people and were not his own? What if it went through several revisions and changes? What if it said contradicting statements like polygamy and murder of other people? What if everyone was telling you people in a cult created it and they called that cult Christian's, after the Martyred man that rebelled against His Jewish Faith. I dont know if anyone of you would believe the Bible if it was only 200 years old. You would find too many things wrong with it, like many of the opponents of the bible are still doing after 2000 years. It is so sad that many look to Christ with only their eyes and mouths but their hearts are so far from His message. Are you really seeking answers to these questions, or just finding reasons to not believe?
your videos r amazing ,,how many lives will be saved from this miserable cult...the deeper u dig the worse it gets
amazing? You are talking about the CES letter, aren't you? You are kidding right? Check out just 3-4 minutes of this video. 4:45 to 8:25......VERY FRAUDULENT SCHOLARSHIP !!! ua-cam.com/video/QKMWYMGunIg/v-deo.html
@Ether 12: 27 Give it up! Joseph smith was a con man and Mormonism is likewise a scam
It is not enough to leave Mormonism, we have to give our lifes to Jesus Christ
Whoa, I mean although we say the Sacrament prayers every week (before Covid-19) in which it says "to always remember Him, to keep His commandments which He hath given them," and serve missions around the world, provide various humanitarian help, and other general acts of goodwill, we definitely don't give our lives to Jesus Christ. We just think we do, but it's the thought that counts. Although doing some stuff like that helps. Did you catch the sarcasm? That means, we DO give our lives to Christ. Maybe you should do some research (like Jessie) before you go around posting things. - From a Mormon (a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints)
@@hunterraven250 Hunter are you still one? I hope not.
@@irielion3748 I'll always be one. For time and all eternity.
@@hunterraven250Oh no!
@@irielion3748 Oh yes.
I have been watching Exmolex. She grew up mormon and several family generations back original mormon. Her stories are really fascinating, however, she is now an atheist. I am so happy to know you are a born again Christian.
Linda, I feel the opposite. Exmolex has done so well by waking up and smelling the forbidden coffee, opening her eyes to all the bullshit in fantasy religions the world over. Sadly, Jess isn't there yet, she is still clinging to something.
The CES letter is a major fraud. Check out just 3-4 minutes of this video. 4:45 to 8:25......VERY FRAUDULENT SCHOLARSHIP !!! ua-cam.com/video/QKMWYMGunIg/v-deo.html
Exmolex will not only destroy your body she will also destroy your soul .. I repeat she will destroy your soul
This is so true and I completely agree - mormonism is probably one of the biggest jokes - as well as with ANY other religion. Any person that says some hippie dude from a some alleged time ago is my savior is an that fabled person’s idiot.
Jeremy Runnells was well qualified to write this paper due to his life long membership in the church and a return missionary.
I gather you've read books refuting the Bible and Christianity, such as, 'How Jesus Became God: The Exaltation of a Jewish Preacher from Galilee.' I'd highly recommend it.
"All we would need to do would be to read the Bible and accept what it says as what really happened. That, of course, is the approach to the Bible that fundamentalists take. And that’s one reason why you will not find fundamentalists at the forefront of critical scholarship."
"Faith is not historical knowledge, and historical knowledge is not faith." - Bart Ehrman.
@borrowed tomb
Yet the Bible is the very foundation of Christianity, and with little to no evidence of it's core claims such as, the resurrection of Jesus Christ. That creates a problem for those who proclaim the Bible as a divine or holy book, Or Christianity as the one true religion.
Bart Ehrman absolutely differs from others, that's why he debates people such as James White on the issue of specifically the New Testament and Jesus. He also debates people such as William Lane Craig.
Your comment and my reply was a digression from the original purpose of my comment. Jessie spends alot of time criticising Mormonism as a false religion, My comments are a reminder to examine your own belief system for errors and false information in an unbiased manner.
Your comment was placed in the area of the historical evidence of the new testament, this has absolutely no bearing on the divine claims made within that book. Therefore many Christians are in the same position as anyone else when it comes to faith claims, It's blind. In conclusion I think it's completely hypocritical of anyone in a religious group or philosophy to criticise the other for falsehood.
@@TheChrishendrix “The evidence for the Resurrection of Jesus Christ is so overwhelming that it compels acceptance by proof which leaves absolutely no room for doubt.”
The First Line of Evidence for Christ's resurrection
To begin with, we have demonstrably sincere eyewitness testimony. Early Christian apologists cited hundreds of eyewitnesses, some of whom documented their own alleged experiences. Many of these eyewitnesses willfully and resolutely endured prolonged torture and death rather than repudiate their testimony. This fact attests to their sincerity, ruling out deception on their part. According to the historical record (The Book of Acts 4:1-17; Pliny’s Letters to Trajan X, 97, etc) most Christians could end their suffering simply by renouncing the faith. Instead, it seems that most opted to endure the suffering and proclaim Christ’s resurrection unto death.
Granted, while martyrdom is remarkable, it is not necessarily compelling. It does not validate a belief so much as it authenticates a believer (by demonstrating his or her sincerity in a tangible way). What makes the earliest Christian martyrs remarkable is that they knew whether or not what they were professing was true. They either saw Jesus Christ alive-and-well after His death or they did not. This is extraordinary. If it was all just a lie, why would so many perpetuate it given their circumstances? Why would they all knowingly cling to such an unprofitable lie in the face of persecution, imprisonment, torture, and death?
While the September 11, 2001, suicide hijackers undoubtedly believed what they professed (as evidenced by their willingness to die for it), they could not and did not know if it was true. They put their faith in traditions passed down to them over many generations. In contrast, the early Christian martyrs were the first generation. Either they saw what they claimed to see, or they did not.
Among the most illustrious of the professed eyewitnesses were the Apostles. They collectively underwent an undeniable change following the alleged post-resurrection appearances of Christ. Immediately following His crucifixion, they hid in fear for their lives. Following the resurrection they took to the streets, boldly proclaiming the resurrection despite intensifying persecution. What accounts for their sudden and dramatic change? It certainly was not financial gain. The Apostles gave up everything they had to preach the resurrection, including their lives.
The Second Line of Evidence for Christ's resurrection
A second line of evidence concerns the conversion of certain key skeptics, most notably Paul and James. Paul was of his own admission a violent persecutor of the early Church. After what he described as an encounter with the resurrected Christ, Paul underwent an immediate and drastic change from a vicious persecutor of the Church to one of its most prolific and selfless defenders. Like many early Christians, Paul suffered impoverishment, persecution, beatings, imprisonment, and execution for his steadfast commitment to Christ’s resurrection.
James was skeptical, though not as hostile as Paul. A purported post-resurrection encounter with Christ turned him into an inimitable believer, a leader of the Church in Jerusalem. We still have what scholars generally accept to be one of his letters to the early Church. Like Paul, James willingly suffered and died for his testimony, a fact which attests to the sincerity of his belief (see The Book of Acts and Josephus’ Antiquities of the Jews XX, ix, 1).
The Third and Fourth Lines of Evidence for Christ's resurrection
A third line and fourth line of evidence concern enemy attestation to the empty tomb and the fact that faith in the resurrection took root in Jerusalem. Jesus was publicly executed and buried in Jerusalem. It would have been impossible for faith in His resurrection to take root in Jerusalem while His body was still in the tomb where the Sanhedrin could exhume it, put it on public display, and thereby expose the hoax. Instead, the Sanhedrin accused the disciples of stealing the body, apparently in an effort to explain its disappearance (and therefore an empty tomb). How do we explain the fact of the empty tomb? Here are the three most common explanations:
First, the disciples stole the body. If this were the case, they would have known the resurrection was a hoax. They would not therefore have been so willing to suffer and die for it. (See the first line of evidence concerning demonstrably sincere eyewitness testimony.) All of the professed eyewitnesses would have known that they hadn’t really seen Christ and were therefore lying. With so many conspirators, surely someone would have confessed, if not to end his own suffering then at least to end the suffering of his friends and family. The first generation of Christians were absolutely brutalized, especially following the conflagration in Rome in A.D. 64 (a fire which Nero allegedly ordered to make room for the expansion of his palace, but which he blamed on the Christians in Rome in an effort to exculpate himself). As the Roman historian Cornelius Tacitus recounted in his Annals of Imperial Rome (published just a generation after the fire):
“Nero fastened the guilt and inflicted the most exquisite tortures on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus, and a most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke out not only in Judaea, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome, where all things hideous and shameful from every part of the world find their centre and become popular. Accordingly, an arrest was first made of all who pleaded guilty; then, upon their information, an immense multitude was convicted, not so much of the crime of firing the city, as of hatred against mankind. Mockery of every sort was added to their deaths. Covered with the skins of beasts, they were torn by dogs and perished, or were nailed to crosses, or were doomed to the flames and burnt, to serve as a nightly illumination, when daylight had expired.” (Annals, XV, 44)
Nero illuminated his garden parties with Christians whom he burnt alive. Surely someone would have confessed the truth under the threat of such terrible pain. The fact is, however, we have no record of any early Christian denouncing the faith to end his suffering. Instead, we have multiple accounts of post-resurrection appearances and hundreds of eyewitnesses willing to suffer and die for it.
If the disciples didn’t steal the body, how else do we explain the empty tomb? Some have suggested that Christ faked His death and later escaped from the tomb. This is patently absurd. According to the eyewitness testimony, Christ was beaten, tortured, lacerated, and stabbed. He suffered internal damage, massive blood loss, asphyxiation, and a spear through His heart. There is no good reason to believe that Jesus Christ (or any other man for that matter) could survive such an ordeal, fake His death, sit in a tomb for three days and nights without medical attention, food or water, remove the massive stone which sealed His tomb, escape undetected (without leaving behind a trail of blood), convince hundreds of eyewitnesses that He was resurrected from the death and in good health, and then disappear without a trace. Such a notion is ridiculous.
The Fifth Line of Evidence for Christ's resurrection
Finally, a fifth line of evidence concerns a peculiarity of the eyewitness testimony. In all of the major resurrection narratives, women are credited as the first and primary eyewitnesses. This would be an odd invention since in both the ancient Jewish and Roman cultures women were severely disesteemed. Their testimony was regarded as insubstantial and dismissible. Given this fact, it is highly unlikely that any perpetrators of a hoax in 1st Century Judea would elect women to be their primary witnesses. Of all the male disciples who claimed to see Jesus resurrected, if they all were lying and the resurrection was a scam, why did they pick the most ill-perceived, distrusted witnesses they could find?
Dr. William Lane Craig explains, “When you understand the role of women in first-century Jewish society, what's really extraordinary is that this empty tomb story should feature women as the discoverers of the empty tomb in the first place. Women were on a very low rung of the social ladder in first-century Israel. There are old rabbinical sayings that said, 'Let the words of Law be burned rather than delivered to women' and 'blessed is he whose children are male, but woe to him whose children are female.' Women's testimony was regarded as so worthless that they weren't even allowed to serve as legal witnesses in a Jewish court of Law. In light of this, it's absolutely remarkable that the chief witnesses to the empty tomb are these women... Any later legendary account would have certainly portrayed male disciples as discovering the tomb - Peter or John, for example. The fact that women are the first witnesses to the empty tomb is most plausibly explained by the reality that - like it or not - they were the discoverers of the empty tomb! This shows that the Gospel writers faithfully recorded what happened, even if it was embarrassing. This bespeaks the historicity of this tradition rather than its legendary status." (Dr. William Lane Craig, quoted by Lee Strobel, The Case For Christ, Grand Rapids: Zondervan, 1998, p. 293)
“The evidence for the Resurrection of Jesus Christ is so overwhelming that it compels acceptance by proof which leaves absolutely no room for doubt.”
www.gotquestions.org/why-believe-resurrection.html
@borrowed tomb
Your argument is a straw man fallacy, Let's get back on track.
How can you criticise another religion for falsehood, when there is no evidence for the divine claims made within Christianity?
@borrowed tomb Ad hominem attacks on the character of Joseph Smith and the morality of Jesus Christ stills doesn't provide any evidence of the divinity of Christianity. You need to face facts, You cannot provide any evidence for Christ being a divine being. You are essentially exercising blind faith, just as a Mormon does for the book of Mormon.
Chris Shearer
Bart Ehrman himself acknowledges that all evidence supports that a Jesus's disciples believed he had risen from the dead, from the earliest days of the church. This, and the doctrine of the atonement are the firmest basis of Christianity from the beginning.
After 30 years of dealing with doubt in the evidence to support the truth claims of Mormonism, I personally can appreciate the abundance of evidence of the historical claims of the Bible. The foundation evidence for Mormonism is not even comparable -- not anywhere close.
Ad far as later doctrinal developments, Bart Ehrman's views are very relevant and should not be dismissed, by any serious investigator. You can no more assume that Christianity today is what it was originally than you could assume Mormonism is today what it was originally.
I know there are reasons for which the passages in the Book of Mormon that quote the Bible are word for word and I do not know the reasons so I will leave that alone however, in 2004 the Algonquin speaking tribes of Indians located in the Great Lakes region are known to have Haplo X1 and X2 DNA markers which derive from the middle east. There are bone pits from large battles found, There are tablets with ancient block Hebrew found throughout the mid west. There have been ancient swords found and dated to Book of Mormon times. We know there was trade going on in the ancient Americas from China, The Vikings and more cultures. If there were not horses then why are horses depicted on Indian petrogliphs dated before Columbus? Just because you say they don't exist does not prove they did not exist. There is way more evidence supporting The Book of Mormon than not.
@Vox Populi who claimed that it did?
@Vox Populi to speculate on what you think God should have done is pointless. God made a covenant to all the tribes of Israel and he has kept them through the Bible and The Book of Mormon. The Bible does referr to a restoration in the latter days.
Love what you’re doing here! I’ve been out for almost 4.5 years now but was born into the Mormon church and raised with all the Pioneer heritage possible and have been shunned by most of my family. Just curious why you decided to warn others of this massive fraud?
Was liking this video until you started promoting your current religion and saying that if you don’t follow your religion you have it wrong…… sincerely an atheist.
Funny how the church calls people who are thinking about going to the church investigators". Yet the church tells their members to avoid investigating. Under their breath of course.
I never heard anyone tell me not to investigate. I have studied books both for and against and after 50 years, I'm still a member. The church has absolutely nothing to fear from the garbage that is on this channel. Her knowledge is like kindergarten and her facts are not true. If you have some questions, start looking where there are real answers - I would suggest the BYU archives and scholars articles.
@@paulplumb6360 the LDS church's prophecies change like the wind. Does God ever change? No. So then the prophets must be false prophets and the doctrine not true. Also, the concept of salvation...LDS scripture and doctrine teach that you are saved by grace "after all you have done". So then you only receive saving grace by works. Except You can't earn your salvation by works. Biblical scripture is clear on that. If you believe the Bible to be true (as LDS members say they do), then you can't also believe Mormon scriptures. They are heavily in conflict with each other.
I researched so much. (Didn’t even hear about CES letters till I officially resigned) the kinder hook plates was the last nail in the coffin.
Yes, so many problems. What beliefs do you have now after leaving Mormonism?
@@itsmejessie They're all going atheist, Jesse, nobody's converting to your hate-filled rants of bigotry beliefs.
@@MrArtist7777 That's an ignorant lie. I get comments and emails every single day from exMormons who now know the true Savior and are born again Christians, filled with hope and joy.
@@itsmejessie Can you prove ANY of them are remaining Christians? We baptize nearly 900 people a day in our church who know the Savior lives and loves them and testify that His church, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is true. We have the records, I've met many of them and have personally baptized many former Catholics, Baptists, Methodists, evangelical Christians, atheists and others who respect their former churches and beliefs and are taught to never say anything disparaging or defamatory about them but to move forward with what they believe to be true, sharing love and peace. What you're doing, Jesse, if fanning the flames of hate and bigotry, and you know it! If you don't agree with our beliefs, fine, you can simply state that and move on, as we do, and talk about your own beliefs. You know full well that the ONLY reason you're making these videos is to defame our church and members and spread bigotry and hate.
@@MrArtist7777 The LDS church teaches a false Christ, a false Gospel, false prophets, changes who God is, has occultic (demonic) background and influence in the temples, esteems Joseph Smith to the level of Jesus Christ and he himself even boasted that he did a greater work than Christ. The LDS church is blasphemous and full of deception. My ONLY goal is to preach the truth of the Bible and to expose the false teachings that contradict the Bible.
A very interesting fact is that dear Mormon folk are constantly telling each other and anyone that will listen, that they know that Joseph Smith is a prophet of God and know that the LDS faith +Book of Mormon etc is true.
I've been a Christian for some 50 years and have attend many Christian churches in that time, but have never once heard anyone testify anything but their faith and trust in the Father /Christ himself and the Bible.
Never once did I hear anyone testify that their particular church denomination was the true church.
Listening to these frequent and repetitive Mormon testimonies I'm left with the impression that there is a underlying deep seated doubt about the truth about Mormonism, and these testimonies are used to bolster each other's faith in Joseph Smith and his church's claims.
I believe that these nagging doubts are the work of the Holy Spirit in individual Mormon people.
That's my thoughts.
Kind regards to all,especially Mormons.
Believing in one book or another book and different gods. Hmmm, sounds like a distinction without a difference. I am amused at how one set of delusional followers argues with another group of delusional followers about whose god is real. LOL
I wish I had listened to my nagging doubts many years ago. I could have got out of Mormonism even before the internet age!
Ooo you know what’s funny is I have heard many Christian churches spend way too much time bashing other churches, but maybe we have experienced different Ones. But, thank you for your kind regards. As for me, I testified when I knew and was filled in my heart with the power of Christ, with His love and was really sure of what I was testifying of was true - that Christ lives, that we are saved by Him alone, and that, yes, the Book of Mormon is His word,
Nah, we say that stuff because we really believe it. :-)
Wow, such negativity. I don't understand why all Christian faiths hate each other and try to teach why all the other faiths are wrong instead of teaching what they believe that makes them happy. And if someone us Mormon and they are truly happy, who cares, leave them alone and let them be happy.
Anyone else find it ironic how she can be logical when it comes to the book of mormon, but when it comes to the bible, she claims she is a believer. The cognitive dissonance is incredible.
don't attack the person. attack what they are saying. what is she saying exactly that is untrue? attacking the person is childish.
@@longnamenocansayy Ok, let's attack what she is saying. The CES letter is a major fraud. Check out just 3-4 minutes of this video. 4:45 to 8:25......VERY FRAUDULENT SCHOLARSHIP !!! ua-cam.com/video/QKMWYMGunIg/v-deo.html
Please. As Sandra Tanner has said, the book of Mormon and the Bible is apples and oranges. You don’t seriously think there’s a legitimate similarity between the two, do you?
Sean, your comment doesn’t even make sense!
I think Sean is saying is that BOTH books are made up fiction. She is quick to point out the faults in the BOM but continues to believing the bible as fact lol. You will truly have your eyes open when you see all religion is man made and full of corruption, based on control of people.
I'm at a 911 listening and would like to and the nice job you are doing a couple of items you might find of Interest you mentioned a view of the Hebrews by Ethan Smith the pastor of Oliver cowdery and you might find it interesting to hear that all of our country is a distant cousin of Joseph Smith you also mentioned the late war between Great Britain and the United States and you might be interested to know is that a Verbatim quote from that book is found in the Book of Mormon up to the point where it says something like and it came to pass in the fourth day of the seventh month which is interesting since dad's the 4th of July and would represent an interesting coincidence in the fictional nephite history
Very interesting stuff! Thank you for sharing!
I need new glasses. I thought your channel was "It's Me Jesus". I thought that JC was delivering new messages.
Oh, I forgot to tell you that you don't bashed and/or attack the believe system, and your major strength comes from just respectfully informing,
All best
..well, see... at the very moment one attacks and/or bashes then in and itself the message is self defeated and he or she lacks credibility. Further, it is very easy to know that "mormonism" is nothing more than a mean to make money through the Internet. ...jeeee, srry but I am just speaking out pure reality..jeeee
Wrong, this is the exact definition of bashing and defaming someone's belief system and religious beliefs. If this Jesse made a video, "informing" people of Jewish beliefs and mocking their beliefs, people would EASILY see that it's anti-Semitic and pure bigotry. If she doesn't agree with our beliefs, that's perfectly fine, she can simply state, "I don't agree with their beliefs" and the talk about her own beliefs, we do this all of the time about other religions and their beliefs but we NEVER make videos, books, tracts or sermons on other people's beliefs, defaming and disparaging them, it's wrong and goes 100% against Jesus' teaching of not judging others.
@@MrArtist7777 I don't see any mocking in the video. Not sure why you made that up.
If it is the truth should stand up to scrutiny. If it is false it should fall.
@@alishafiee1129 True, however, when people lie and make false accusations, we should defend the truth.
About polygamy:
Joseph should have gathered everybody and should have told them that the Lord wanted one man to marry/be sealed to, more women.
Then 90 percent would have left the church and Joseph should have looked up to the heaven and would have said: “ Lord I have told them about the multiple sealings to women and all have left! ITS YOUR CHURCH LORD. YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR IT! YOU WANTED THIS! WHAT NOW LORD?!”
And than mabey the counselor of Joseph, William Law, should not have left when he heard about the polygamy, and William Law should not have made/written the Nauvoo Expositor (and would not have written in the Nauvoo Expositor that Joseph was in secret marrying lots of women). Then Joseph would not have had to destroy the printing press and Joseph would not have been arrested, and would not have been killed.
And we should not have been puzzling about it now! Does this sound sane?
Sadly there is plenty to puzzle about in the LDS church:(
“Joseph was not perfect” said Brian C Hales (in his talk of 13-06-2019 were he defended polygamy). BUT THE LORD IS! He should have given Joseph a little bit better instructions. Problem solved!
If we are just tested with the faults of a not being perfect Joseph, and this is all a big test, than the Lord will have to give good answers to all the members who are now leaving “in droves” because of a.a the polygamy issue, (when they stand before the chair of the Heavenly Father) before He sends them to their damnation. A normal human being would have a good reason to leave the church when they know about the troublesome polygamy.
Roland Vree, You said God should have given Joseph better
instructions!? Don't blame God for Joseph's sins , God truly is perfect and in no way is responsible for the fraudulent messJoseph
created which is Mormonism!! Wow! Do not counsel God! HE had nothing at all to do with it. Please stop making excuses for the man Joseph.He was a con.
God bless you, you are telling the truth
The CES letter is a major fraud. Check out just 3-4 minutes of this video. 4:45 to 8:25......VERY FRAUDULENT SCHOLARSHIP !!! ua-cam.com/video/QKMWYMGunIg/v-deo.html
JS was a charlatan
Are you aware of the Gospel Topics essays??
Yes, but with the new website change to churchofjesuschrist.org, I can't access any of the essays the church posted on lds.org. They're gone from what I know... and I'm wondering (doubtful..) if the new site will post them!
@@itsmejessie well Jesse what you need to do is look at that little icon of a magnifying glass at the top of the page, you know to search for things and type gospel topic essays and you will find it
@@williamcammer9211 They are deliberately making them hard to find.
Is someone playing league in the background? That's some intense mouse clicking going on there.
24:03 lost me there, good video up until then. I'll think for you :)
I know! She's so close, it's almost painful. Don't stop searching, Jessie! Atheism is not something to be afraid of!
Atheism is seriously the most non-scientific approach to life.
Atheism is disproven by quantum physics and modern study into evolution.
You’ll think for her? What does that do?
@@christiankaiser4471 HAHA Who told you that shit?
@@christiankaiser4471 that's not true. If someone had a lack of belief, you don't get to day they don't hold that position.
Great video, btw.
Great work, Jessie! You are doing awesome work for God's Kingdom. Yah bless you always.........
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Ah man, you had me until you went all Bible. PLEASE LOOK INTO THE TRUTH CLAIMS OF THE BIBLE! They are JUST as bogus, but have the advantage of being old.
There is plenty of evidence the Bible is true and the Jesus of the Bible existed through history and archeology finds!
You have not searched deep enough or asked Jesus into your heart and repented. I hope you do before it’s too late. I would rather be right to die believing in a savior than to die not knowing one to find out I was wrong!
@@robynnepeterson3798 What evidence of the bible are you referring to proves that it is true. The only evidence I have seen is circumstantial at best.
Jeffrey Smith
There are stories of the flood in every culture. There are Bible sites that have been found, such as where the Red Sea was parted they found chariot wheels and other artifacts. They found evidence of where Sodom and Gomorrah showed signs of fire and brimstone. There is the history of Jesus. Have you noticed He is the only one that was crucified and died on a cross then rose from the dead! Also they called Him a amazing because at an early age He was able to converse with the high priests of the temple. Then they called him a great prophet yet he said He was the son of God! I can only tell you that if you don’t repent and ask Jesus into your heart you won’t get the chance to know the feeling of no doubts as that of the love of the one and only savior!
@@robynnepeterson3798 Thank you for taking the time to write that message. You seem like a pretty smart and intelligent person to come up with all of that. I will admit that having stories of the flood in many different cultures would seem unlikely if it wasn't true. But, I am a little confused as to how finding biblical sights proves the bible to be true. In ancient Greek Mythology you may have herd of the story of the oddessy where it mentions the city of Troy. which was thought to be a myth until it was discovered in the 1800s. On top of that Mount Olympus is a real place. But surely you don't believe that it proves that Zeus or any of the other Greek gods are real. And how can I know that the chariot wheels had anything to do with the parting of the Red Sea? Wouldn't the wheels have decomposed after all these thousands of years? And the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah could they not have just been destroyed by a regular fire? And I know Jesus was called a great teacher and a great prophet but, people said the same thing about Muhammad too. I know that is a lot of questions to ask so you don't have to answer all of them but if you would not mind enlightening me even further on any of them I would like you to explain more if your willing.
Jeffrey Smith
Ehrman, who is the James A. Gray Professor of Religious Studies at the University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill that lectures and authored numerous books on the topic. Though he rejects The divinity of Christ he is fully convinced that Jesus did live and was crucified. In his works he writes about the Antiquities 20.200, for example, Historians of the ancient world, Flavius Josephus was a Jewish, politician, soldier, and historian who lived around AD 37-100. He was born in Jerusalem shortly after Christ’s crucifixion. As his father, Matthias, was a highly respected priest, Josephus was born into a family that would have been acutely aware of the early Jesus followers, a movement that would have been noted as a threat to Judaism. He may have even heard some of the apostles preach in prison.
Scholars view Josephus as the single most important Jewish historians the Antiquities of the Jews, to explain the Jewish people and their beliefs to the Romans, in an effort to reduce anti-Jewish bigotry. He writes of the death of James, at the instigation of the Jewish high priest Ananus. Josephus clearly labels James the brother of Jesus”who was called the Christ.” By including such details, he offers us a clear, non-Christian attestation of the historicity of Jesus.
Another important Roman Historian he wrote about was Cornelius Tacitus, history shows that Nero blamed a devastating fire that happened in Rome in AD 64 on Christians. Tacitus wrote: “Therefore, to squelch the rumor, Nero created scapegoats and subjected to most refined tortures those whom the common people call ‘Christians,’ hated for their abdominal crimes. Their name comes from Christ, who during the reign of Tiberius, had been executed by the procurator Pontus Pilate.”
Tacitus’ writing confirmed the New Testament accounts that Tiberius and Pilate were in power when Jesus was crucified. Tacitus also points to the continued growth of Christians in the years shortly after Jesus died, as reported in the book of Acts in the New Testament. His report clearly shows The remarkable resolve of Jesus’ earliest followers, and growth of the movement Jesus founded. It is because Tacitus is held on such high esteem by modern historians that the Annals carry such weight. Though scholars do not know where Tacitus obtained the information he used for the Annals, they know he had access to the Acta Senatus, the Roman Senate’s archives of its activities. Those Roman records could have contained reports of Jesus’ crucifixion, and he could have retrieved the detail from there. Or he could have learned the facts while he was proconsul in Asia.
Professor Casey Elledge of Gustavus Adophus College holds this view of non-Christian sources, including Josephus and Tacitus as this:
“The testimonies of ancient historians offer strong evidence against a purely mythical reading of Jesus. In contrast to those who have denied the historical evidence of Jesus altogether, judging him merely to have been a mythological construct of early Christian thought, the testimonies of the ancient historians reveal how even those outside the early church regarded Jesus to have been a historical person. It remains difficult, therefore, if not impossible, to deny the historical existence of Jesus when the earliest Christians, Jewish and pagan evidence mention him.”
I can recommend the website I found this for you to learn more: Josh McDowell Ministry
www.josh.org/evidence-Jesus-lived/?
Jeffery, I never needed to look for any proof, because after I repented and asked Jesus into my heart the Holy Spirt came upon me and I had no doubts. I actually felt it and still no I am not alone in this world and can bear anything that happens.
Some people don’t get the instant conversion feeling like I did. Maybe I was real open to it or because I am very aware of an atmosphere feeling when I am around people. I don’t know I was on fire for 3 weeks telling everyone about the gift of God I received and when I talk or think about it I still feel it! I went to a church out of state when my father died and people there said some in the back is on fire with the Lord, so some people can feel it too.
I never was given the true gospel growing up in the Mormon church and never felt Gods spirit there. Then when I was getting divorced and was invited to one of my patients, from a dental office I worked in, to a dinner. The Salvation Army prayed and I felt the love of God there. When I moved I went to a non-denominational Bible believing church and felt the love of God there so I kept going. When I wanted to work in my son’s Awana Bible Club I had to have an interview with a pastor and he asked if I thought I was going to heaven and I said if I am good enough. Then he told me no one can be good enough because all men fall short of the glory of God. We are separated from God by our sins, (Mankind sins). Jesus died on the cross for our sins so that we can have eternal life.
Then he reminded me of Awana’s key Bible verse, John 3:16
For God so loved the world he gave his only begotten son so that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have everlasting life.
Then asked me if I wanted to pray to receive Jesus. So I prayed. Jesus I know that I am a sinner and fall short of the glory of God. I ask you to come into my heart to help guide me so that I may have everlasting life. After that is when the Holy Spirit came over me and I knew the there were no more doubts. I became a new creature in Christ, from the inside out!
I have never gone back or wanted to!
I hope this helps you on your journey to find the true Christ.
I am happy you made this video. Thank you.
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Rock and hat scam lol
God will richly bless you for posting this. ❤️
Nope, that's your opinion. God doesn't honor those who judge others and lie with bigotry and hate.
@@MrArtist7777 the Bible tells us to reprove and admonish. Are you going to reveal that you never judged an atheist or exMormon or other religious organizations? Answer carefully.
@@georgebauerschmidt5289 Yes, reprove: "reprimand or admonish" -Webster's Dictionary, which means to reprimand or admonish YOUR members, which the Bible also clearly instructs, if they get out of line with hitting their kids, stealing from others, etc., not showing bigotry and hate and intolerance for others and their beliefs. The Bible also says: "Surely the Lord God will do nothing, save he revealeth his secrets unto his servants, the prophets." Amos 3:7 And, "scripture is not for personal interpretation" 2 Peter 1:20 But requires a prophet to interpret. If you're not a prophet, you cannot interpret the scripture and if you don't follow a prophet of God, you do not know his secrets and will. Fortunately, there is a prophet of God on the earth today and he speaks with God and to God's people. Read what he has to say: churchofjesuschrist.org/
God bless!
@@MrArtist7777 I can interpret the scriptures. The Catholic church and Jehovah's Witnesses also play the game that they are the only ones that can interpret scriptures. Baloney!
Notice that the verse says _"prophecy OF scripture."_ It does not say, "no scripture" is of any personal interpretation. Prophecy is a subset of Scripture. It is not Scripture as a whole. So, what is prophecy of Scripture? Well, its prophecy. Let's look at the context.
2 Peter 1:20 does not say that we cannot interpret the word of God without church authority. Furthermore, the Greek word for "interpretation" is ἑρμηνεία, hermeneia. It occurs twice in the New Testament.
Scripture speaks of individual's ability to interpret Scripture
1 John 2:27, _"As for you, the anointing which you received from Him abides in you, and you have no need for anyone to teach you; but as His anointing teaches you about all things, and is true and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you abide in Him."_
Acts 17:11, _"Now these were more noble-minded than those in Thessalonica, for they received the word with great eagerness, examining the Scriptures daily to see whether these things were so."
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Romans 14:5, _"One person regards one day above another, another regards every day alike. Each person must be fully convinced in his own mind."
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As you can see from the three verses above, we are told that the anointing we have received, the Holy Spirit, will teach us what we need to know (1 John 2:27). We see that people compared even what Paul the Apostle said to Scripture and they were commended for it (Acts 17:11). We also see that Paul said "each person must be fully convinced in his own mind" regarding worship days (Romans 14:5).
If ecclesiastical authority is necessary in order to interpret Scripture, then why is it these three verses speak to the contrary? There is no necessity given to submit to an ecclesiastical authority that will tell people what the Scriptures "really mean."
As is evident from reading, the verse is speaking of the subset of Scripture; namely, prophecy. Prophecy is something that occurs within Scripture, just as narration, poetry, imprecation, songs, etc., also occur in Scripture. But, it is only prophecy that is singled out regarding interpretation.
This makes sense, especially when consider what Peter says next in 2 Peter 1:21.
_"for no prophecy was ever made by an act of human will, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God."_
@@georgebauerschmidt5289 And what is scripture? It's writings of men moved upon by the Holy Ghost, which is prophecy. Sure, you can read scripture and try to understand it but you will never fully understand it without the spirit of prophecy, which prophets of God have.
You help prove my point that the Bible contradicts itself, over and over and over again as you can find virtually any scripture and find another that will completely contradict it. It's bizarre but true. I know the Bible extremely well but avoid arguing any point in it as I can just as easily find the counter argument and just go in circles, all day, every day. Is the Bible pointless? No, it's valuable but needs to be understood by the spirit of prophecy and no other way as you'll get caught in the circle.
Cheers!