Mormon Evangelism | Arguing with Mormon Missionaries
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- Опубліковано 20 жов 2024
- Jeff Durbin talks to mormon missionaries about the true gospel of Jesus Christ. You can get more at apologiastudios.... Be sure to like, share, and comment on this video. #ApologiaStudios
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"Open rebuke is better than love in secret" -Proverbs 27:5
Hey check out how Jeff’s guy belittles a bisexual boy: ua-cam.com/video/n31_BZM6nIs/v-deo.html
@@generobbins8714 you say that like you want it to be generalizing defining statement for all people who disagree with you.
Kyle Higgins I just posted the link to display the cruel methods they employ that don’t show up in “highlight videos” such as these that show them being “non-abusive” and “respectful”
@@generobbins8714 so isn't that the need of our savior?
Jesus Ochoa I don’t understand what you mean by that.
praying for the LDS community
Thank you . It has ruined my life
Mormon doctrine is more logically sound than protestant doctrine and on average the Mormons are better people than most evangelical christians so i dont see that they need the prayer.
@@TheDianeticist ? what is wrong with my desire to pray ? for a community of people ?
I don't really see what you're so pressed about
@@TheDianeticist You are brainwashed by your false leaders. I have met more evangelical Christians who are more loving and understanding than Mormons by far. So what is your point??
@@TheDianeticist Brigham Young taught the Adam-God Doctrine and Blood Atonement Doctrine...These 2 doctrines are more logically sound than protestant doctrine?? You must be joking or you are just stupid, or both.
It is good to see how Jeff is overseeing his trainee so he gets everything right and clear.
@Matthew Bond God doesn't need to speak directly, because He already has by His word. Jeff just told the man what God has already spoken, he didn't invent anything.
@Matthew Bond There are not many interpretations, there is only understanding and don't understanding. And now your blood is upon your head, because you have heard the good news of the gospel, and don't want to receive the Savior that died to save you. And you will be hold accountable for it in the judgement of God, if you don't believe on the Lord Jesus. Believe on Him, be saved!
@Matthew Bond I do not own truth, the Bible is truth, If you saw the video then you can understand how can we know which view is true: go to the Bible! That's what Jeff did, that's what you must do.
@Matthew Bond If you read it, you can understand it or not. "But what doth it say? Nigh thee is the word, in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of the faith, that we preach; that if thou mayest confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and mayest believe in thy heart that God did raise him out of the dead, thou shalt be saved" (Rm 10). The word of God has a simple message for unbelievers, believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and He shalt save you, He has the power for it, and has already payed the price at the cross. If you don't understand you will misinterpret it, but even so you can be easily shown that you are wrong, just like Jeff did, by the word of God.
@Matthew Bond The word of God has a simple message for unbelievers, believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and He shalt save you, He has the power for it, and has already payed the price at the cross. If you don't understand you will misinterpret it, but even so you can be easily shown that you are wrong, just like Jeff did, by the word of God.
Whether you believe or not, the Mormon Jesus is different than the Biblical Jesus.
Yes, we believe that Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ are separate beings whereas mainstream Christians believe in a Trinitarian Jesus.
William Paul- and you are wrong! One being, GOD!! Three personages comprised of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost dude! Not three beings! The Father is not the Son, the Son is not the father, the Holy Ghost is not the son, the Father is not the Holy Ghost and so on! You don’t understand the the concept of the triune GOD!! It’s ok thou!
Actually, the Evangelical Jesus is different than the biblical Jesus. Neither Jesus nor his disciples ever taught the Trinity. They taught the godhead, like the LDS church teaches. They taught that Jesus was the son of God. God begat him. He was the "only begotten" of the father. Jesus prayed to "my God". He was there to do his father's will. He asked for his glory back, the glory he had before the world was created. There is a premortal spirit world and Jesus was there, and so was Paul and all mankind. (Galatians 1:15) Jesus was on the right hand of God the Father then, and after he resurrected, he resumed his post. He always speaks for his father.
Robert Rosskopf Robert Rosskopf-yeah ok! Sure the trinity is not in the Bible, but the concept is! And bible believing Christians believe in the trinity as it is biblical and I can defend and support it biblical as you cannot! As one of your articles of faith states, “we believe in the Bible so as long it’s translated correctly.” But what it really means=we believe the Bible except for those verses that contradict the LDS false teachings! Such as the concept of trinity!l, the divinity of God and Jesus, their nature, what is grace, what is faith, his death on the cross...etc. And the 12 disciple didn’t teach it? Yes-they did, and they wrote every action Jesus took during his ministry. He didn’t have to spell it out, he showed the world who, the “I AM” was, through his actions! And the Bible is the record of that and God’s revealed word! Which so called lds saints deny and claim it has been corrupted! Jesus always existed with GOD. John 1:1-3, 14, read ch 1 by all means, so you get in in context. Jesus was not created dude! yes Jesus was begotten by the father as he was born of a virgin and he is the first born of all creation, but that doesn’t not mean what you think! As this would contradict Col 1:15-19 as he created all things! And 2:9 “for in him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily and you have been filled in him, who is the HEAD of ALL rule and authority.” But this has to be one of those verses not translated correctly from the Greek to English right? I don’t think you even listened to this video! As usual, Mormons take verses completely out of context like you tried to do with Gal 1:15, it is about Peter and what he was before being born again, a follower of Jesus, and how he was chosen and set apart to preach the good news! Were do you get that this verses support the idea of the first estate? Some spirit children floating around planet kolob!! The first second or third Estate is not in the Bible either! So you believe in three gods then? But Det 6:4 says otherwise, so does Is 43:10!! There is only one Father, one Son, and one Holy Ghost and they are 1 God, three persons, co eternal and co equal with the same divinity and nature! You don’t understand the concept of the trinity!! The Godhead concept of the lds is not biblical and unsupportable! Sorry but you are deceived by the false lds teachings! Not even your Book of Mormon supports the idea of multiple gods or becoming a god! I can pull out my BoM and show you!
@@lort1204
No, the concept isn't either. The words that define trinity are also missing. There isn't even one consubstantial. Essence is missing. The only definition of what it means to be "one" supports the LDS view. It can be found in John 17.
It takes a healthy imagination to see the trinity in the Bible. Was there something wrong with the word "godhead"?
The Bible is the first book in the LDS canon of scripture. I believe that we take it more literally than you do. The real question is how to tell who is right and who is badly mistaken. If I find a verse the contradicts something that you believe, will you shrug it off to a Mormon twisting scripture, or will you change your belief? I'd be willing to bet money that the bible doesn't hold much sway with you. You will stick by false traditions, even if the bible explicitly tells you something else.
I'm not afraid to admit when I am wrong. I am often wrong about a great many things. I'm not omniscient. If I find a verse in the bible which contradicts my thoughts, I will study it out, see where it leads. I may pray about it and look at other sources. Humility is the power to learn.
What do I think it means? ARCHE is really a variant of ARCHON, which interprets to a high ruler, or group of such rulers. So... "In the beginning" could easily be translated "In the council". The Greeks believed in a Heavenly Council or Council of Heaven, just like the Jews. In the Heavenly Council was the LOGOS. "HO" is the Greek for "the" and makes LOGOS a title or name. LOGOS could be translated as "word". The Greek doesn't really mean a specific word, or even one word, but more like "words". Another translation has it as "spokesman". In the council was a spokesman... and the spokesman was with the God. This little word is often ignored in translations, but there is definitely a "the" in front of God. It is using God as a name or title, and not as a classification. "And the spokesman was a god..." In this case "the" is missing; we are to read "god" as a classification. In the council was a spokesman and the spokesman was with God and the spokesman was a god... and without him was not anything created that was created. There are two things that aren't believed by hardly anyone! John is implying that 1) More than one being was involved in the creation, and 2) that not everything was created.
When Jesus taught the Jews that he came down from heaven, he was referring to this heavenly court. They wanted to stone him for making himself God, so he tried to explain it to them. He quoted Psalms 82:6. "I said ye are gods! and children of the Most High..." Verse one tells us that this hymn is about the Council of Heaven. Some critics charge that this verse is really about human judges, but that is a very weak argument, since it never mentions human judges. Nor does God preside among human judges. All one has to do is read it. The trouble is that most Christians don't believe in the premortal existence of man. Paul tell us in Galatians that he was called before he was born. "But even before I was born, God chose me and called me by his marvelous grace." - Galatians 1:15 Mankind lived as spirits in a premortal world, before they were born into mortality. Jesus was one of those gods in the Heavenly Council. He was the 'Most High' in the council, and spoke for God. He lost his glory when he was born into mortality. We know this because of his last prayer as reported in John. He was no longer a god. He no longer ruled over mankind. When Satan tempted him in the desert, he knew that Jesus was use to being in power. In his last prayer, Jesus asked his Father to restore the glory he had at the creation. According to Stephen, this is exactly what happened. He saw Jesus in the Heavenly Court standing on the right hand of God.
Paul taught that since we are children of God, that we should not think that he is made of silver or gold.
"Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device." Acts 17:29
So what should we believe? That God is like us, with flesh and bone and human emotions, albeit glorified and perfected. And this seems to be the message of John 17 as well; that we can be one in the same way that God and his Son are one. All we have to do is do the will of Jesus, as he does the will of his Father. Then we can all be one. If we are all doing the will of the Father, then we are one in purpose.
This leads to Revelation 3:21, where those who overcome are promised that they will sit on the throne of Christ. To sit on the throne of God is to act as God. We have potential beyond our current understanding!
Faith and repentance are the principles that can help us overcome all things. Through the atonement of Jesus Christ, we have the chance to exercise faith and repent of our sins.
I love listening to these encounters! The profound knowledge of scripture fearlessly expressed here is inspiring and makes me realise that I need to ‘gen-up’ on scripture to counter cultic mis-interpretations and re-writes. You guys are an inspiration I will endeavour to emulate in the years left to me. May God bless and guard your work!
All praise be to the lord! I left the church around a month ago to be in the lords grace! Praise be to god!
*Capto* And just who did you end up joining up with? Are you going to a church...become a member? All too many leave cults only to wander aimlessly thru life because e/thing they've learned up to that point was an illusion.
Christ Rejoices when his Children return
Amen!! Thats wonderful! Praise the Lord!! ❤️ ❤️ ❤️
John 10:31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I showed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? (Psalm 82 1, 6-7 & 1 Cor 15: 22)
35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
Isaiah 46:9 Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, big "G" and there is none like me, ---The LDS believe this, especially Joseph Smith. and maintain that there is no other God like Him. Nor deny that there can be "gods" with small g", because Jesus said so,... "I said ye are gods". Had this pastor been alive to face Jesus, he would have stoned Jesus as well as the Jews did
@@gilbertmiraflor3591 Jospeh smith was a false prophet. Repent
Some Mormon girls came to my door a while back,, they were so kind to me. They gave me a Book of Mormon, which I took, not wanting to be disrespectful. I learn a lot from these videos.. I know very little about scripture but I do know that Joseph Smith was false.
Have you learned any more about scripture? ❤️
he was false
Have you prayed about it and ask God if the book was true?
Yes. It’s a false book with false scripture that takes existing cultures and history and butchers it until it is unrecognisable. The Book of Mormon is only believed in by people who choose to fabricate evidence and ignore reality.
@@Niceonthefrenchriviera If she gets a yes even tho scriptures says Joseph was a false prophet what do we say to this contradiction?
Mormons are the most polite, most caring, most generous, best intended, best acting, and hard working of all those deceived by Satan.
That's true for the average Mormon. But not for the Mormon Pharisees or the hierarchy. In fact, they are far from being transparent when it comes to its multi-billion dollar finances and payroll.
No wonder. They believe the more polite and caring they are the more powerful god they will become when they die.
And to become a god is thereby an abomination as described in Isiah 43:10, 45:5. Sadly, these people may not be saved.
Isn't that to be expected from Satan's magnum opus? It is a mimicry of truth and light which in actuality takes the follower away from the very God they claim to speak solely for. That is where so many LDS fail. I have heard them tell me so many times things like, "But Jesus is in the name of our church!", etc.
Matthew 7 decsribes the problem of their thinking perfectly.
What about atheist vegans? Vegans are the only people on earth who, within practical terms, refrain from harming others without just cause. They refrain from immoral behavior simply as an emotional response; they possess an innate capacity to feel what others feel. Does Satan deceive these people as well? Is innate, organic compassion the work of the devil? Is concern for the wide spectrum of sentient beings the result of the wicked efforts of the horned one? Mormons are not the most caring otherwise they would be vegan since caring for humans often means the worst suffering for billions of other individuals. So, like virtually everyone else, Mormons do not give a crap about others; they do not have good intentions; they are inculcated automatons who absorbed human arrogance and ignorance while succumbing to the allure of being obedient to a delusion. They, like 7 billion other humans, feed off the pitiful titillation that results when one believes he or she belongs to the coolest group. Goodness nor truth have ever been features in the business of religion; the marketing just makes it look that way.
The first guy is actually pretty good. I love how Jeff is sitting there having his back preaching the TRUTH
I am praying for LDS. Thank God they are listening to Jeff. They are such sweet people. May God have the glory forever and forever.
lds is a bunch of bs
@@geoffreypalmer2661 Have you read the book of Mormon (or even Abraham). check it out
Thanks Jeff for preaching the truth to the LDS folks and not apologizing! Challenging them respectfully and not attacking them is a gift you have from the Father. Praying for your ministry. Learning alot ftom you on ministering to LDS.
Guys God bless you for planting seeds in the hearts of these brothers. They need to know Jesus; the true Jesus who loves them, died for them; and by whom we are saved/our sins are atoned.
Love Jeff, keep doing the work of Christ
Praying for the lost and those who are led astray....🙏🏾for LDS
cindybin2001 .... when you follow a doctrine that breaks away from foundational teachings. That’s going astray! Jesus Is Lord and Savior. No one before or after Him.
VideoAudioDisco09 .... WOW! Is that what you got from The Book of Isaiah? Read it again. And this time read it with fellow Believers in Christ Jesus... Isaiah 53 the whole chapter....see the prophecy and historical evidence of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ... God Bless all those who are weary. Come to Him and He shall give you rest.
VideoAudioDisco09 ... agree to disagree. Historical facts is what it is historical. Jesus Christ is real historically and biblically. This discussion can go on and on. If you take it from a biblical stand point. There is no need for another cult or religion to branch away from Christ divinity. It’s in the scriptures. God is Love! He loves the whole world. What a wonderful thing for us as believers to love one another. God Bless You and your understanding of the Word.
VideoAudioDisco09 ..... and Christians are able to correct the wrongs of man. Based on biblical teachings. Becoming a believer in Christ, the true Christ you will find Faith, Hope and Love.
VideoAudioDisco09 .... with all that being said about the Bible. I’m glad you focus on the bloody parts. The Bible in its entire being is Good vs Evil. God Is Good! There for it is us as mankind that fall short of His goodness. Because He loves us He became flesh and walked amongst us. John 1:14 ...and the word became flesh. And the rest is HIStory! There is no better example to follow than that of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. The History of the Bible has withstood the test of time from all angles and in this day and of technology it’s still standing.
Anytime people follow a book other than the word of God the true word of God there's going to be controversial issues but if you live by the original word and follow his commandments life is so simple and fulfilling
Kahele Foki: Do you have the original word? Do you have the Lost scriptures: "There are many sacred writings mentioned in the scriptures that we do not have today, among which are these books and writers: the covenant (Ex. 24:7), the wars of the Lord (Num. 21:14), Jasher (Josh. 10:13; 2;Sam. 1:18), the acts of Solomon (Kgs. 11:41), Samuel the seer (Chr. 29:29), Nathan the prophet (2Chr. 9:29), Shemaiah the prophet (2Chr. 12:15), Iddo the prophet (2Chr. 13:22), Jehu (2Chr. 20:34), the sayings of the seers (2Chr. 33:19), Enoch (Jude 1:14), and the words of Zenock, Neum, and Zenos (1Ne. 19:10), Zenos (Jacob 5:1), Zenock and Ezias (Hel. 8:20), and a book of remembrance (Moses 6:5); and epistles to the Corinthians (1Cor. 5:9), to the Ephesians (Eph. 3:3), from Laodicea (Col. 4:16), and from Jude (Jude 1:3)." [The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints/Guide to the Scriptures/Scriptures]
Jim Caponzi: There is no Mormon Church.
@@dleoburns
Do you have the original word?
@@dleoburns those lost books dont matter to are salvation, just like dinosaurs we know there real an we found the bones does it saying anything in the BIBLE,
nope cause its irrelevant dosent matter.
Emmy Jo: We have part of it!
studying the pearl of great price so i may witness to these mormons more accuratley , pray for me everybody that God may give me the spirit of dicernment to see the lies in it . im in the book of moses section chapter 6 and i already see so many unbiblical theology, may God have mercy on these mormons to repent
God bless , im studying it becuase it would be a double standard for me to tell them to not believe the prophet joseph and the LDS when i havent read any of their material. Christ commands me to study to show thyself approved , i plan to do that and also plan to avoid the hypocrisy of double standard. pray for my study so God can use me to reach mormons.
@@teresaborrayo8866 You should be reading the Book of Mormon.
God bless you sister stay strong in יהוה
I knew a lady in Topeka, KS who had studied our beliefs so she could witness to us that we were wrong, much like what you’re doing. She’s been a member since the 1950’s, once she saw what we really believed and how it lined up with the Bible she couldn’t deny it. I’m praying you may be given the same revelation, someone with your missionary spirit could do wonders for God’s Kingdom in bringing many souls to Christ.
Thank you for this video, it has helped me understand the difference between Mormons and Christians. All your videos have definitely helped me be more knowledgeable on Mormons.
I really enjoy this Christian sharing true beliefs. I like his humble and non assuming approach. The mormons are listening with intention.
I pray for the Lds missionaries that they may see the true light of the real Jesus Christ that the Holy Spirit dwell inside them and guide them into the truth .🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
Just Love on em.God is Love.and Love never fails..keep sowing and watering seeds.God will bring growth... good stuff
The mormon missionaries are always so polite and kind whenever i meet them but ultimately what they believe in lies. I always say I don't minister to them because i like having a feud but rather because i want them to go to heaven. Oh Lord, please save these young men Lord and all those blinded and mislead by the LDS Church, In Jesus name, AMEN!!
They are not always respectful...but sincete.
@@elayneblystone7889 They try their best, as its not easy to be confronted all the time. (Thus is the life of a follower of Christ).
The missionaries (although young and not paid, like most preachers) wield the "spirit" of God - and bear fruit of all his teachings currently available (and not just some). If anything they have more knowledge (than even the pope, dare one say). Many harden their hearts though when given more.
Who was misled?
John 10:31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I showed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? (Psalm 82 1, 6-7 & 1 Cor 15: 22)
35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
Isaiah 46:9 Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, big "G" and there is none like me, ---The LDS believe this, especially Joseph Smith. and maintain that there is no other God like Him. Nor deny that there can be "gods" with small g", because Jesus said so,... "I said ye are gods". Had this pastor been alive to face Jesus, he would have stoned Jesus as well as the Jews did
The guy who is first speaking is channeling Pastor Jeff Durbin, he has learned well.👏
Fellow Christians, when Mormons knock on your door, do not close your doors on them. Share your faith with those spiritual hungry people. Have a dialogue with them.
I agree ! (being christians we are in elite company - as we all believe in the savoir, despite some theological differences). Especially now adays in these crazy times!
I hope the LDS Church would show this video to their missionaries as part of their training course.
For unless you believe that I am He, you will die in your sins.”
Look at their faces, it's the look you see when your life comes crashing around you, I know I felt that when I lost everything nearly drugged myself to death but jesus saved me, life is still a struggle right now but I will go on until the end
26+ years in same-sex relationships, that is the look I got when he came a knocking... I was in a relationship with a woman from 2010, married her 2016, Jesus reveals Himself to me 9 mos later in 2017. Yeah, I know that face...
This is marvelous. It's vital that Believers KNOW what Mormon's believe, or they will be fooled: Mormons know the right lingo and phrases, but the meanings are antithetical to Truth.
And most Mormons know little of their own religion. Questions posed to elders and Bishops are often not suffered graciously or answered satisfactorily; perplexed Mormons are told to "put it [their question] on the shelf."
toOnybrain Absolutely true. Well said. I read the book of Mormon just so I could refute it. It is absolute blasphemy.
It's hard to answer questions that have no answers. Most questions posed by anti-Mormons are not answerable.
@@benjantzen8910 The Gospel of Jesus Christ is blasphemy??
You can tell they take the gospel very light and it doesn't matter what others think of him . Yes it does matter because if we know the truth is up to us to share the truth
"Well, i'd say its against God's commandments"
Exactly! Right answer so..
(Oh crap, he got me)
*we gotta go, now we stopped liking being filmed*
lol
I hope i could be like this apologist one day, to be a responsible christian. By the way they are discussing behind that gospel music in the backround is something else..
And stoned Jesus?
John 10:31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I showed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? (Psalm 82 1, 6-7 & 1 Cor 15: 22)
35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
Isaiah 46:9 Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, big "G" and there is none like me, ---The LDS believe this, especially Joseph Smith. and maintain that there is no other God like Him. Nor deny that there can be "gods" with small g", because Jesus said so,... "I said ye are gods". Had this pastor been alive to face Jesus, he would have stoned Jesus as well as the Jews did
Pray for me please I need it. I’m a 43 year old Mormon and I want out. It has a hold on my family and now I look like the evil one to them. I know Christ lives but I have never really felt close to him due to all the conditions put on me from my LDD faith. I was born in the church. I was once like these young boys as a missionary, it’s very confronting one day dig deep enough and see everything you have been taught is a lie. I feel like death is better option for me right now. my life has been wasted in trying to please god with all the stupid Mormon rules and requirements. I have nothing now. As a Mormon male from birth you’re expected to go on a mission, every thing in your life is directed to that , anything that might be a distraction is taken away from you to lead you to this destination. Once you have then served a mission it is used against you as quilt, how could you now act like this or not be as faithful since you served a mission , you are a disappointment. It goes on and on .
I’ll pray for you 🙏 put your faith in Jesus Christ the Son of God who died for our sins and rose on the third day. Do you have discord or any way to contact you? I’d love to talk to you
Follow your heart
Just remember the true and simple (so simple a child can understand it) message of the gospel:) Repent of your sins, and then put your faith in Christ believing he took ALL your sins! And then rest in that truth. 🙂 Your works will never earn you salvation. It’s the free gift of God!
@@cynmarie6586 Absolutely not this. This leads to only one place: the lake of fire.
@@douglasmcnay644 do your research before responding
Brother Jeff how can I contact you and support your ministry
I'm sure they're active on facebook
Elder on the left is text book reciting so well what he was conditioned in the MTC to do. Like all other missionaries they are not equipped to handle the real doctrinal discussions, and biblical teaching.
Seems the other way ... You know, results are conditioned by your starting points. The critical party isn't engaging truthfully. They are restricting themselves in a naive (supposing there's no other Intention) way.
I find it funny that you think the MTC is some expert level training program. It’s actually quite hilarious that you are so misinformed. It’s literally basic teaching techniques, language and a little of what to expect when you get to your mission. Your only their 3 weeks if English speaking or up to 3 months depending on what language you are learning. The MTC only barley gets you ready for the area your assigned.
@@adamjohnson5967 You are actually reinforcing my point. As someone who was very actively LDS for 30+ years and served a full-time mission, I am well aware of what the MTC does and doesn't do for missionaries. I know very well it isn't an expert training program. In fact I am amazed at how often people look to the missionaries for any kind of doctrinal depth of understanding. These are teens trained in the basics.
The Elder's naive hubris, is clearly exposed in his limited ability to address the concerns in this conversation while being proud of himself for reciting a verse from memory. He is parroting the approaches he learned and the techniques of missionary training resources, such as Preach My Gospel as an "Ah ha!", but totally fails to address the doctrine with any depth.
Joshua Snyder first of f,saying you where a member x number of years means nothing to me, along with listing your calling, they add zero credibility to anything you say. Just because you were apart of something for X amount of years doesn’t make you more knowledgeable about its beliefs. Saying you are an active member is a relative term that means something different to each individual person. There are people who consider just going to church on Sunday and nothing else active. Then there are those that thing going to church and every other meeting and service opportunity is being active.
In Regards to missionaries. Talking to people like this guy is a pointless waste of time. It serves no purpose. Yes you will run into people like this and the best thing you can do is state that we have different beliefs and have a good day. If he actually care he would turn off the camera and sit and talk with them. All the missionaries are responsible for is finding those who want to listen, not argue with street preachers. The only mistake they made was continuing to talk to him.
@@adamjohnson5967 The sky is blue, water is wet. Not sure what the point of your comment is.
The discussions Christians have with LDS are important and sharing those exchanges helps bring Christ to other Mormons and other seekers. It also shows people why they need to be guarded when approaching LDS doctrine, including the missionaries seemingly simple, polished message.
Thank you pastor! Amen!!
Good work guys. 👍 I care about these people too and want to see them enter the kingdom. Keep loving them and telling them the truth.
I'm not feeling the Love, personally.
@@lindalds love hurts sometimes....
@@DrDoerk tough love! (lol)
I pray for these young LDS followers, that God will reveal the truth to them. I feel so sorry for them, because they are believing what someone else told them.
i dont pray for them i want to burn in hell
I love how the hymn “I need thee every hour” triumphs over “pastor Jeff” thee church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is TRUE!!
Why do you mock Jesus Christ and say he is the brother of Lucifer?
Faye Lewis we are all sons and daughters of our heavenly even Jesus Christ! And Lucifer! They both had separate plans for earth and Lucifer grew wicked in his plan we were Lucifer’s brothers and sisters but he got banished because of his wicked plan and his heart grew corrupt! Then he became satan so we are not mocking Jesus Christ when we sat Lucifer is his brother! Stop Believing what others say about the church
@@weinerdinger3424 You have spoken blasphemy. Does that concern you?
The Bible teaches that Jesus was not created but was rather the Creator. “In [Jesus Christ] all things were created: . . . all things have been created through him and for him” (Colossians 1:16). The doctrine of the eternality of Christ is one of the distinguishing marks of biblical Christianity.
While Jesus is held in high esteem by Muslims, Mormons, Jehovah’s Witnesses, and others of various theological beliefs, those groups teach that Jesus was a created being. It is orthodox Christianity’s affirmation of the full deity of Christ and His uncreated nature that makes Christianity unique from all other religions and philosophies. Various world religions may agree on some important issues such as the existence of a transcendent, objective morality and the value of a strong family life, but the answer to the question “who is Jesus Christ?” quickly separates those who adhere to biblical Christianity from those who do not.
What you have posted is just a pretend story made up by Joseph Smith who was mentally ill.
Should I stop believing what the Bible says about the true church?
The true church is spoken of in the book of Acts and the epistles.
There was no endowment ceremony, no mandatory tithing, no worthiness interviews, they did not worship a god that came from another planet, they did not mock Jesus Christ and say he was the brother of Lucifer, no restored priesthood ( Jesus is our High Priest forever after the order of Melchizedek), no baptizing for the dead (I Cor. 15 speaks of pagans baptizing for the dead.), no secret handshakes, no holy underwear, no temple recommend, no temple (they met in homes), no salvation by grace after all you can do, no veil was put back up that God had torn in two, they did not believe they would become a god someday, the women were not hoping to share their husbands with other women and be pregnant for all eternity populating a planet, etc..
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The Bible is clear that all people are God’s creation (Colossians 1:16), and that God loves the entire world (John 3:16), but only those who are born again are children of God (John 1:12; 11:52; Romans 8:16; 1 John 3:1-10).
In Scripture, the lost are never referred to as God’s children. Ephesians 2:3 tells us that before we were saved we were “by nature objects of wrath” (Ephesians 2:1-3). Romans 9:8 says that “it is not the natural children who are God's children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham's offspring.” Instead of being born as God’s children, we are born in sin, which separates us from God and aligns us with Satan as God’s enemy (James 4:4; 1 John 3:8).
Jesus said, “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came from God and now am here. I have not come on my own; but he sent me” (John 8:42). Then a few verses later in John 8:44, Jesus told the Pharisees that they “belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's desire.” The fact that those who are not saved are not children of God is also seen in 1 John 3:10: “This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not a child of God; nor is anyone who does not love his brother.”
@@fayelewis5476 amen
@@fayelewis5476 You know, I can see you standing before God and Jesus at the judgment seat, they are telling you some home truths, and you are saying over and over
"But that's not what it says in the Bible!!"
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I absolutely LOVE ALL of your videos. Much Love from Costa Rica!
That guy in the middle (mormon) looked so uncomfortable when he got proven wrong by scripture, it’s like he knew what Jeff was saying was true but still chose to reject Gods word and revelation.
Hopefully seeds were planted, sometimes it takes a while for these things to grow. They will think about the points brought up here again, and maybe it will make them do their homework and seek the truth for themselves.
Ray Morrow it’s really sad man but I’m glad to hear that you got out of it. Hopefully you worship the one true God now. God bless
Ray Morrow that’s what frustrates me, all these false churches like LDS and JWs mess with young people’s minds and when they leave their faith is just shattered. I’m sorry that you had to go through that but I know that there is a God who loves you and has something for you. You were misled but now you can get back to the right path. Jesus is God in the flesh. I recommend watching Jeff’s videos because they are all full of love he preaches the true Gospel. God is not done with you brother, accept Christ as your Lord and Savior and you shall be saved. Acts 2:38 - “ Then Peter said to them, ‘Repent, and let every one of you he baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit’.” Don’t give up on a God because He will never give up on you. God loves you brother.
Ray Morrow In Joel 2:32, where the prophet is declaring the terrible judgments of the Day of the Lord, God’s offer of deliverance is open to “whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord.” In Isaiah 1:18, God offers the invitation to come, though your sins are as scarlet, and He will make them white as snow. Revelation 22:17 is an open invitation: “Come! Whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.” In these and other verses, the clear implication is that, even though we are sinners, God desires us to come to Him as we are, so that He can cleanse us. God heals broken hearts, Psalms 147:3 -“ He heals the broken-hearted and binds up their wounds” God is saying to come as you are, come with all your heart. Romans 10:13 says that whoever calls on the name of Jesus will be saved. Salvation is a free gift, something that cannot he earned. You have to repent of your sins and be born again in the Name of Jesus Christ. When you do this with all your heart and soul you will be saved. But you must live a life that shows you follow Christ. We aren’t perfect and every day we sin but God Loves is so much that he allows us to wake up every morning and gives us that second chance. Call on the name of Jesus, love God with all your heart and soul. Have faith like Job, always believe that God will never forsake you. I care about you brother and if you ever need anything or just feel like talking then you can contact me whenever you’d like.
@@raymorrow1491 lt took me a long time too man. I searched all over, years and years. Finally l foundd the true Christ of the Bible, and have found peace and happiness for the first time in my life. Blessings to you.
Luke 8: 21
And he answered and said unto them, My mother and my brethren are these which hear the word of God, and do it.
How to Start a Cult: Step 1.
Base the ultimate foundation of truth on man’s emotions or experience...because we all know those don’t change.
So the bible, as a history of man's relations with God, ie emotions and experience... is false?
@@robertrosskopf4641 I think you're confusing categories. God's Divine Revelation of Himself and how He interacts with Man is not merely a record of human emotions and experiences. God is the foundational starting point of Scripture, not Man's apprehension of God.
@@tylerbuckner3750 God's divine revelation of himself... to who? Mankind. "Then went up Moses, Aaron, Nadab and Abihu and seventy of the Elders of Israel, and they saw the God of Israel, and there was under his feet as it were a paved work of sapphire stone, and the body of heaven in his clearness." - Exodus 24:9-11
If God is writing this, then the testimony of Moses is false. Moses has to be the eye witness, telling us of his experience with God. If none of this really happened, then Moses is a liar and a fraud. Even Jesus said that if only he testified of himself, then his testimony was false. God didn't write one word of the bible, when it comes to history. Of course, we have the testimony of Moses, that God revealed the Mosaic law to him. And it is up to God to testify as to whether Moses is his prophet or not. It is also up to God to testify whether Joseph Smith is his prophet. The only reason there are so many Latter Day Saints today, is that they received a personal witness from God. Members testify of the remarkable and miraculous things that happened to them. But our trust in God is born of the eye witness testimony of men at first, and then later of our own experience with God.
@@robertrosskopf4641 Your straw man argumentation does nothing to inform the conversation. No one said "God wrote the Bible". You constructed a false premise, then attacked it. My point: the Bible is true because it is God's Revelation of Himself, first. The method of transmission (through Man) has no bearing on it's truthfulness, objectivity or validity. Moses sinned, correct? His "emotions and experiences" led him to violate the same Law that God gave him, correct? Moses' personal experience is not the foundation of Scriptural truth. That was the point of my comment. LDS subordinate the clear teaching of Scripture to their emotions and experiences. Proof? "God told me that Jesus is Lucifer's bother, Spirit-offspring of Elohim and His goddess wife in the preexistence." That may be an "experience", but it violates nearly every Biblical presentation of Jesus. So which is true? Objective Revelation, or the "experience"?
Elders, keep Sacrificing your time, for the TRUE CHURCH, THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER DAY SAINTS.
Yes!! Bring on the Mormons!!!!
@Jim Caponzi Yes, and they shun, but we must love them and try to awaken them, for we are all sick and broken and fallen from Adam.
There is none righteous, no not one...
May we love our neighbors as ourselves, even though it is ever so difficult.
John 10:31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I showed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? (Psalm 82 1, 6-7 & 1 Cor 15: 22)
35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
Isaiah 46:9 Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, big "G" and there is none like me, ---The LDS believe this, especially Joseph Smith. and maintain that there is no other God like Him. Nor deny that there can be "gods" with small g", because Jesus said so,... "I said ye are gods". Had this pastor been alive to face Jesus, he would have stoned Jesus as well as the Jews did
Pray for these Mormon to be saved and be followers of the real Christ
Which Christ? The one which pastor would have cast stone at?
John 10:31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I showed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? (Psalm 82 1, 6-7 & 1 Cor 15: 22)
35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
Isaiah 46:9 Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, big "G" and there is none like me, ---The LDS believe this, especially Joseph Smith. and maintain that there is no other God like Him. Nor deny that there can be "gods" with small g", because Jesus said so,... "I said ye are gods". Had this pastor been alive to face Jesus, he would have stoned Jesus as well as the Jews did
Amazing how Mormon theology changes with the wind. When US. Congress refused to allow Utah statehood, due to polygamy & pedophilia .God came to the Mormon church and told them to give up multiple wives & sex with children... In1978, Jessie Jackson led a planned Salt Lake City protest of Blacks non admission to the priesthood & the temple. 100,000 Black men were organizing a protest in Utah of racist Mormon church teachings; Then, that same year, God then came to the Mormon church and told them black people were now okay. For 180 years, Mormon church taught hateful things towards Gays. Now in 2023, after bad press, God has told the Mormon church to back off the condemnation of Gays...Interesting timing of God's revelations & heat the Mormon Church was feeling.
True, LDS leadership banned blacks from priesthood prior to 1978.
Isaiah 55:11 KJV
so shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.
They realized that in order to justify anything one must appeal to the Bible. And if they believe the Bible is translated correctly for something that agrees with Mormonism, they can't then turn around and say it is corrupt and contradicts itself when it disagrees with them.
I think they realized what Jeff got the to admit, and fled away in a hurry, lest their Mormon beliefs get thoroughly torn to pieces.
There is nothing in the Bible that disagrees with anything we believe.
@@lindalds yes there is
@@lindalds there’s plenty
@@kimberlyr5858 Things that disagree wit your interpretation of the Bible, perhaps.
@@lindalds honey, I grew up Mormon. Mormons borrow and ride up against the Bible and take everything out of context. Your blinded by your false teachings and cult.
when are you guys going to start doing this stuff again?
next time the Mormon 'Elders' out and about on their mission work approach you, just say to them "Moroni 8:18" ! and then ask then to open their Book and read it aloud.
Moroni 8:18 For I know that God is not a partial God, neither a changeable being; but he is unchangeable from all eternity to all eternity.
Then quote Isaiah 43.10b ... says the LORD: I alone am God. There is no other God- there never has been, and there never will be.
(Isaiah 43.10 and Moroni 8:18 agree.)
Then ask if they beleeve Him.
Then explain that Joseph Smith in 1844 in the King Olivet Discourse taught : "We have supposed the God was God from all eternity. I will refute that ..."
And tell them : Since then, Mormonism has never been the same.
Mormons now radically re-interpret verses like Moroni 8:18 and essentially reject the original teaching that God was unchangeably God from all eternity to all eternity.
Mormons are now even in disarray and confusion over whether Heavenly Father was once a sinful mortal.
Mormonism has apostatized from its own Book of Mormon, and now Christians-who don’t even believe that the Book of Mormon is divine scripture-agree with
Moroni 8:18 more than Mormons do.
It is a verse that we Christians profoundly wish Mormons would agree with. It is
far more important of an issue than tithing, baptism, priesthood authority, or whether Joseph Smith was a true prophet. It concerns an eternal truth of the fundamental nature of God.
“Before me no god was formed, nor shall there be any
after me.” (cf. Isaiah 43:10)
“Holy, holy, holy, is the Lord God Almighty, who was and is
and is to come!” (Revelation 4:8)
Keep on spreading .. God bless
The focus of training for Mormon missionaries is on learning the language of the area or country in which they are to proselytize and memorize the discussions or lessons they are to present to prospective members. But they have no in-depth theological knowledge or training, which is why they have more success with people who are less educated and know little about the Bible or theological issues. Many people also know very little about Mormonism or the background of its founder Joseph Smith. Even as a member I didn't know things that the church preferred to keep hidden, such as Smith's relationship with women other than his wife, some of whom were married. Polygamy as a cover. There was also the concept that his relationship with these women was platonic, that he married them only because they needed to be married in order to attain the highest level of heaven, but we now know that he had sex with some or all of them. I did wish that the LDS church was true because the vast majority of the members were wonderful people, and the church had many great programs. But in the long run I couldn't stay in a religion I knew was not true. Which is why I am also not a Jew, a Moslem, or a Hindu.
I agree many young missionaries don't know the most about all scriptures (as all of us, lol) and aren't paid too. However they do bring the spirit of god with them. Even the pharisees and Sadducees knew the scriptures (back and forth) but did not understand the "True" meanings (spirit of the law vs letter of the law). That is why they ridiculed Christ. THe bible teaches out of the mouth of babes, confounded the learned. Okay food for thought's and god bless :)
Praise God for you guys
It’s amazing how sure they are about “their” feelings about the Mormon faith, but not sure about ANYTHING else to the point where they would allow people to be in error just as long as they FELT like it was THEIR truth. Very sad.
The holy spirit confirms truth (even through feelings). Yet know one knows all doctrines (otherwise we wouldn't've have 100s of different christian denominations with differing views, like grace, works, baptism, etc. If someone has a "confirmation" from the holy ghost who is it for anyone of us to say they didnt have it (?) The holy ghost also teaches the truth of "all things".
What reading material did you give to the missionaries? Is it possible to get a copy of it?
apologiachurch.com/mormon-tract/
Ah this so resonates with my experience of engaging with Mormons, particularly the tactics they use, like drawing on their testimonies when they can't answer a question.
My friends and I got talking to some young Mormon guys on their mission, and we kept meeting up with them knowing that they were trying to convert us but seeing it as an opportunity to challenge their beliefs. The first thing that was off-putting was that they refused to come into our house until there was a man present (we were four girls renting a student house at the time), and so we had to call up one of our Christian guy friends. But while we were waiting, it was the stupidest thing, talking to them while they stood in our back garden, with us just inside the door.
After a few meetings, we got down to challenging them, and I whipped out the Galatians quote about 'another gospel', and noted that the 'given by an angel' part seemed to resonate with how Joseph Smith supposedly received his 'revelation'. When they're confronted with something they can't answer they will either say the Bible has been corrupted, ('Did God really say...?') or draw on their own testimony. The ringleader of the three guys would always go back to 'I asked the Holy Spirit to reveal to me if the Book of Mormon is true and he confirmed it.' Also they are very resistant to explain what they actually believe in detail, dodge questions and try to hide the more out there stuff until they've already sucked you in.
Eventually we managed to squeeze out of them that they thought our baptisms weren't valid because they weren't performed by true inheritors of the apostles' powers. But the big thing we discovered is that this ringleader didn't even believe when he was 'blessed with the authority to baptise' and sent out...he said it was only half way through his mission that he came to believe. And so I asked him, 'you say our baptisms are not valid because those who baptised us were not given true authority, but you didn't even believe when you were baptised, let alone given 'authority' and sent out on mission! Is there any authority in a baptism or in a an anointing for ministry without faith in the recipient??' He didn't have a rebuttal. Honestly this particular guy's conduct sealed the deal for me - if you're going to draw on your testimony, at least make sure your testimony is not full of holes!
Testimonies are very personal, and have to do with one's relationship with God. If testimonies aren't true, then the bible isn't true, because it is mostly testimony about people's relationship with God.
These kids arent paid professionals but due have conviction (and are willing to help spread gods gospel). They may not be experts in all subjects but have alot more knowledge about other subjects (that many don't even have a knowledge about, like the "premortal life")
Pray for them
6:57.... “THIS ETERNITY.”
Question.. When did the last eternity end, and when did this eternity begin exactly???
It just baffles me, the nonsense they are willing to come up with.....just to try and make sense of their theology!
Right. Heard that too
Kylene Martin: "Eternity - 1 : the quality or state of being eternal 2 : infinite time lasting throughout eternity 3 eternities plural : AGE sense 4 : the state after death : IMMORTALITY 5 : a seemingly endless or immeasurable time." [Merriam-Webster Dictionary] Revelation 10:6 "And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer:" Time will have an end. Then there will be eternity. God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Ghost transcend time and therefore are eternal.
@@dleoburns that's the problem with Mormonism, you make up your own context an it dont work that way.
Mr. Weathers: Don't like Merriam-Webster's definition of Eternity? Perhaps you could speak with them about it. Don't like Revelation 10:6 perhaps you may find it in one of the watered down modern translations other than the King James Version. So, there is no "your own context" here.
@@dleoburns you don't follow KJV is the problem. You use New World Translation. It is wrong and different than all other English translations.
Wow... they really struggled to give an answer to the example of the mormon sleeping with his girlfriend... because Jeff gave the same "feeling" argument they give.
I dont think this particular Elder really cares about Mormonism. To say, because my pamphlet says so, was him being brutally honest.
From my experience with Mormons I’ve noticed they only like to speak to people who have never read The Bible. Once someone comes along who can quote scriptures they don’t want to have a conversation anymore 🤔
You haven't experienced many Mormons then.
@@lindalds I dunno I’ve had the same experience as the first person. Right when you start having a theological discussion they will often try to quickly end the conversation. It’s sad because a) I really enjoy theological discussions, and b) it also kind of shows that they care more about getting converts than they do finding the truth.
@@thedukeofchutney468 the missionaries are there to introduce the Book of Mormon. Many times, when someone wants to quote Bible verses, it's to try to show how we aren't, according to them, not Biblical.
Any time a LDS missionary bears his/her testimony they have no other argument.
2 John 1:11
“For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.”
You should not tell these false believers God Bless you. Gods word is truth.
CoC ? Oh boy
Its interesting how they (street preacher) quotes the scripture "all eternity" Yet the other scripture says "In the beginning"! The book of Mormon the elders quoted truly spoke of divinity. I wish Durban would answer that (instead of brush it off) It seems like he didn't have words for it. Also there are some subjects so deep - that no one can really speculate (for now at least) everything about them So with that said all of us would have to have "additional" revelation to answer (beyond the scope of currently written scriptures). However those questions will be all answered in due time (milk before meat). Okay god bless :)
God bless you guys for doing what your doing
It’s not about them admiring that their god is wrong, there are many flaws within the bible that have been posited but it’s faith that keeps our faith and it’s faith that keeps them believing in their god, it’s admirable that they don’t waver in the face of a defeating argument
Odd that a missionary of the “restored” church doesn’t know John 1:1. Very odd.
. lol WHAT??? SMH. You just sit on the internet pulling statistics out of your hat or ur a**.
@VideoAudioDisco09 you keep reading them blogs an them "peoples research" its going to get you somewhere i can feel it.😂😂😂😂😂😂😂👎👎👎👎👎
@VideoAudioDisco09 you should spend more time with GOD then researching other peoples opinion, they could of all had bad pastors for anyone knows. But if you base GOD off of other people's experiences then u my friend are on a long lost road
John Lemings: Odd that Pastor Jeff quoted Psalms 90:2 "Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God." He quoted it as Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from "eternity to eternity," thou art God. Did you think that was odd?
So what do you believe in??? Evolution??. Do you believe we are here for a purpose??
Is it ok if I ask people in the church that I care about that live in that city to come talk to you. This person is weighing on my heart.
Hey brother Jeff next time you do a Mormon video. You should recite third Nephi chapter 11 verse 27 in defence of the Trinity. Much love and blessings to you and your ministry.
That is not a cononical book.
As someone who's LDS, these elders didn't execute their answers as well as they could've. Jesus is God and always has been. The Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost are united in purpose and are separate beings.
You are right bro.
John 10:31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I showed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? (Psalm 82 1, 6-7 & 1 Cor 15: 22)
35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
Isaiah 46:9 Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, big "G" and there is none like me, ---The LDS believe this, especially Joseph Smith. and maintain that there is no other God like Him. Nor deny that there can be "gods" with small g", because Jesus said so,... "I said ye are gods". Had this pastor been alive to face Jesus, he would have stoned Jesus as well as the Jews did
Change the word "Arguing" Into something else or mormons wont click it thx
New age Christianity is the new apostasy in our day.... Good on you elders for your humility
Just like Joseph Smith was a humble man and married other mens wives.
What do you mean by "New age Christianity"?
You guys really need to stop quoting Isaiah 43:10 until you understand it.
Its pretty self explanatory,only 1 God ever,never any other.so what's to understand?
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Isaiah is speaking to the of house Jacob (Israel). He’s saying Jesus is their god and none other was or will be. In the New Testament he said, he was only sent to the lost sheep, of the house of Israel. Why? Because, the covenant was made with Abraham, like the Canaanite woman, we must accept him as our god, in order to be saved. But, make no mistake Isaiah wasn’t saying there is only one god. In fact Jesus called us God’s twice, Genesis talks of gods not god. Finally, in John 1, In the beginning was the word and the word was WITH god and the word WAS god, the same was in the beginning, WITH god. The beginning? He has always existed, correct? So the beginning of what? The earth, that’s what, so he is the savior of this earth and all of us that live on it and accept him as the savior. He was made flesh to take our sins upon him. He still had his father, a god that he prayed to and didn’t do anything, he hadn’t seen him do. (Think about that, he said the son can do nothing of himself but, what he seeth the father do. Nothing not, somethings. To me that says his father must have had a mortal experience and likely was a savior). Our god, the only one and yes none beside him but, not the only god in the universe. His own father is one, he called us gods, twice. Verse 1 in Isaiah 43 clears it up. He is Israel’s god and ours if we accept the Abrahamic covenant, baptism, marriage and keeping the commandments. (Gal 3: 26-29)
When the missionaries rolled out the audio coming from the mormon property sounds like Warren Jeffs 👺
As a exmormon it always makes me laugh when someone tell the truth from the Bible and they don't want to hear it they always say oh well we got to be going happens every time.
This is from the Bible my ear brother: John 10:31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I showed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? (Psalm 82 1, 6-7 & 1 Cor 15: 22)
35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
Isaiah 46:9 Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, big "G" and there is none like me, ---The LDS believe this, especially Joseph Smith. and maintain that there is no other God like Him. Nor deny that there can be "gods" with small g", because Jesus said so,... "I said ye are gods". Had this pastor been alive to face Jesus, he would have stoned Jesus as well as the Jews did
the voice in the background being broadcast sounds just like the one broadcast as the announcer in The Hunger Games lol
Middle white shirt and tie guy looks like he totally wants to get back to the easy pickings of the unsuspecting and marginal Christians.
Apologia quote Psalm 90:2 to state that Jehovah has existed from all eternity to all eternity. But the most literal translation of Psalm 90:2 is “Before mountains were brought forth, And Thou dost form the earth and the world, Even from age unto age Thou [art] God.”
Craig tipped him on the camera haha. WHY CRAIG IT WAS GOING SO WELL, now we dont know their response. craig.
ugh.. Craig, Craaaaaaaaig!!
Wow... I'm just dumbfounded. i didn't know it was this serious.
When you seek answers from the Book of Mormon instead of the Bible, God can't help you because you have turned your back on Him. Therefore this leaves the door open for Satan (II Corinthians 11:14-15) to step into your life with a false christ or prophet showing you signs and wonders to lead you away from the real Jesus of the Bible who is God the Son 2nd person of the Trinity. God Himself warns us about this in MATTHEW 24:23-24 "Then if anyone says to you, Look, here is the Christ! or There! do not believe it. For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect..."
Mormons teach and believe that their jesus is the brother of Satan, which contradicts what God says in His Bible that Jesus is God the Son 2nd person of the Trinity.
So Mormons, which Jesus do you believe in?
A. Your jesus of the Book of Mormon, who is the brother of Satan.
OR
B. The Jesus of the Bible, who is God the Son 2nd person of the Trinity.
I left Mormon Church 2COR11:4
Why? Over a few things you do not know, and lose faith? John 10:31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I showed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? (Psalm 82 1, 6-7 & 1 Cor 15: 22)
35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
Isaiah 46:9 Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, big "G" and there is none like me, ---The LDS believe this, especially Joseph Smith. and maintain that there is no other God like Him. Nor deny that there can be "gods" with small g", because Jesus said so,... "I said ye are gods". Had this pastor been alive to face Jesus, he would have stoned Jesus as well as the Jews did
God pre-destined the "One true church on earth" to not be able to get the legal rights to the Joseph Smith Translation of the Bible x'D
God's humor
Can I quote to you my favorite scripture? Sure. It's from the Book of Mormon from the book of Helium..sure it is
I'd like to make an open statement based off of some concerns from these comments. Mormons don't get saved by just being told their religion is dumb. Ask yourself, do you really care about the salvation of those in the LDS faith or are you just interested in talking down to people who believe differently from you?
Jacob, beautiful attitude,man. Thanks!
The truth hurts, but if you don't present it, people won't know they're in the wrong. The Bible came way before the Book of Mormon, and the Bible (being God-breathed) states that if anything is added or taken away from it, those people are eternally condemned. There are numerous changes made by Mormon doctrine, far too many to list in a comment. If they carry on living by their own beliefs and not of God's Word, they are under that same punishment.
@@TheDrummerDude17 absolutely, man. My objection isn't to apologia, but to the people here insulting Mormons in the comments like that solves something.
@Bronze I'm not disagreeing with apologia's method of evangelism. I'm disagreeing with the comments people are leaving on this video that show no compassion, but just a desire to talk down about people who are misled.
I understand. Insults never do any good.
Jeff Durbin tells the elder that my testimony and your testimony doesn’t negate truth, dismissing that any testimony, including those written by New Testament authors, might be true.
Galatians 1: 6-8
6 ¶ I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
An angel from heaven? Hmmmm. This passage EXPLICITLY WARNS of the EXACT events that brought about Mormonism.
Joseph Smith was deceived by a fallen angel who was masquerading as an angel of light (2Corinthians 11:14).
Joseph Smith didn’t know the Lord. He was spiritually blind... and If the blind lead the blind they shall both fall into the ditch.
Exactly.
Galatians 1: 8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
Let's break this down.
_But though we_ ...We, meaning the apostles of Christ, including Paul.
_Or an angel from heaven_ ...Or *EVEN IF* an angel from heaven.
Angel=messenger
Heaven=God
So, even if a messenger from God
So, even if it means Moroni, he *was* an angel from heaven, or a messenger from God. And God doesn't send angels with messages that are not from Him.
_Preach any other gospel unto you_ ...If you read the second chapter of Galatians, you will see what the "other gospel" Paul was referring to and it has nothing to do with Moroni or the Book of Mormon, etc.
And what is "Gospel"? It is the good news of the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ.
1 Cor. 15:1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
Context.
Love listening to these encounters but this audio man lol killing me
You guys should bring Todd White to do chiropractic adjustments to people. That might help
At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.
He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.
So if I look like god, walk like god, act like god, have the same powers as god, and god is literally in me, then what am I?
He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.
You do not believe in Jesus Christ.
You have another Jesus. Your own president said so.
"In bearing testimony of Jesus Christ, President Hinckley spoke of those outside the Church who say Latter-day Saints 'do not believe in the traditional Christ.' 'No, I don't. The traditional Christ of whom they speak is not the Christ of whom I speak. For the Christ of whom I speak has been revealed in this the Dispensation of the Fullness of Times. He together with His Father, appeared to the boy Joseph Smith in the year 1820, and when Joseph left the grove that day, he knew more of the nature of God than all the learned ministers of the gospel of the ages.'" (LDS Church News Week ending June 20, 1998, p. 7).
In Mormonism, Jesus is a creation, the product of relations between god and his goddess wife who used to be people from another world (McConkie, Bruce, Mormon Doctrine, p. 192, 321, 516, 589). Jesus is the literal spirit brother of the devil and you and I (McConkie, p. 192, 589). Also, in Mormon theology, God has a body of flesh and bones (Doctrine & Covenants 130:22) as does his wife, and together they produce spirit offspring in heaven who inhabit human bodies on earth.
President Hinkley, the prophet and revelator of the Mormon church, has publicly declared that the Jesus of Mormonism and traditional Christianity are not the same.
The apostle Paul warned that this would happen.
II Corinthians 11 But I fear that, as the serpent deceived Eve by his cunning, your minds may be seduced from a sincere and pure devotion to Christ. 4 For if a person comes and preaches another Jesus, whom we did not preach, or you receive a different spirit, which you had not received, or a different gospel, which you had not accepted, you put up with it splendidly!
yeah but hinckley is arguing that true christ that Paul wrote about and the knowledge thereof had been lost, and that mormons have the most clear knowledge of Christ since the time that he was alive. Mormonism argues fundamentally that the bible is epistemologically corrupt and there's no possible way to use it as a clear and exact law due to historical/ archaeological, and political dilution over time. I understand that some scholars argue agianst this. But some argue for it, and other scholars argue something entirely different from either of those arguments lol This is plebeian dialectics dividing people and pitting them against eachother. Nobody is ever going to win in this videos and arguments they exist to confound people and confuse them. We should be focusing on feeding the poor and helping those in need, not about theology. You all sound like Pharisees and saddusees to me
How could the true Christ that Paul wrote about be lost? We have the Bible.
The LDS 'Christ' is fictional. The LDS 'Jesus' is the brother of Lucifer. There is no such thing.
The Pharisees refused to believe that Jesus was God. They were working their way to heaven.
Every religion tells you that you can work your way to heaven.
The moment you die you will meet the true and living God and Jesus Christ.
It is appointed unto man once to die and after that the Judgment."
You are a soul. Your soul is eternal. You will spend eternity in heaven or hell.
Please think about this.
The smirk on the left missionary makes me so sad :(
That isn't a smirk so much as an unsuccesssful attempt to hide his discomfort.
@@joshua.snyder Why would he be uncomfortable?
@@onejourney6776 He is uncomfortable because he cannot hold a real discussion and can only recite the MTC script from Preach My Gospel. No answers to scriptural questions, just bearing testimony.
@Loonytoones85 I used to wear them hahahahahahaha lol
it made me sad too
For the first time ever I see them leave without forcing you to learn their bible. I need this facts man. It's hard to argue with them when your bible knowledge is not that good.
"In bearing testimony of Jesus Christ, President Hinckley spoke of those outside the Church who say Latter-day Saints 'do not believe in the traditional Christ.' 'No, I don't. The traditional Christ of whom they speak is not the Christ of whom I speak. For the Christ of whom I speak has been revealed in this the Dispensation of the Fullness of Times. He together with His Father, appeared to the boy Joseph Smith in the year 1820, and when Joseph left the grove that day, he knew more of the nature of God than all the learned ministers of the gospel of the ages.'" (LDS Church News Week ending June 20, 1998, p. 7).
In Mormonism, Jesus is a creation, the product of relations between god and his goddess wife who used to be people from another world (McConkie, Bruce, Mormon Doctrine, p. 192, 321, 516, 589). Jesus is the literal spirit brother of the devil and you and I (McConkie, p. 192, 589). Also, in Mormon theology, God has a body of flesh and bones (Doctrine & Covenants 130:22) as does his wife, and together they produce spirit offspring in heaven who inhabit human bodies on earth.
Faye Lewis- if its true that Jesus is merely a created person, like the rest of us, when was he created?
Faye Lewis - It looks like the real problem might not be that we worship a different Jesus but that we worship a different God/god. It's obvious the god you serve is not the God of creation, but mere created god. The God of the Bible is the God of all creation.
If jesus was merely created and not the creator of the world, how can you expect him to be able to recreate all people who have faith in him as new creations as is stated in Phil. 3?
Well said you must be a Mormon you know a lot about their doctrine... I am a Mormon I believe you... Matthew 24:24 ..a false Christ ( a another Christ) his father is flesh and bone tingle as man... Wow that's a false God... Verse 24 And a false prophet ..I am leaving the church.. I can't believe that I believe that lie wow wow I shout Oh God save me from the false Christ a false God.. Save me and my house they brainwash me from my child...and I teach me children in the same doctrine of Satan.. Please God save my children.. In Jesus name.
@@Jesuscome-ro5inyou can always tell which groups are cults. Cults don't want you to believe the Bible. They'll always have other books (Watch Tower Society, The Pearl of Great Price The Book of Mormon, Catechism, the Quran...) to lead you away from Bible truth. But search the Bible and you will find the truth. Find a Bible believing church. Jesus is calling. Ready to set you free from the lies of Satan.
Question Brothers and Sisters.. Where did Joseph Smith get the idea or proof that the Gospel & Old Testament is corrupted?
So I may review and discuss that when the time comes that I encounter LS people.
I love it Pastor Jeff I love it yes obliterum them with truth the real truth, you know it's funny these Mormon type boys his little Mormon missionary boys are all the same, they are robotic they're like little robots seriously they're trained to say certain things are so robotic it's unbelievable in the responses it's not even heartfelt it's totally robotic, and everything with them as feelings they're based on feelings it's just unbelievable plant the seed brother these guys are super lost
Nick Jaramillo- notice though, that Jeff does it a loving manner. I'd we're harsh or mocking, they won't recognize us as Christians like the Bible says. Love is the key to helping the blind want to see. Never forget, love wins the day. 💕
Nick Jaramillo I’m not
Norma Ray what was loving about that?
@Loonytoones85... in spite of Jesus's command in Matthew 28:19-20? What don't you like about this command?😔 We do have a choice just as the unbelievers, either do what the Word commands, or don't, just like Jonah, but with the choice comes reward or consequence.
Do you mean this truth? John 10:31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I showed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? (Psalm 82 1, 6-7 & 1 Cor 15: 22)
35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
Isaiah 46:9 Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, big "G" and there is none like me, ---The LDS believe this, especially Joseph Smith. and maintain that there is no other God like Him. Nor deny that there can be "gods" with small g", because Jesus said so,... "I said ye are gods". Had this pastor been alive to face Jesus, he would have stoned Jesus as well as the Jews did
For one thing Jeff is confused over the word "WORD" clearly recorded in the gospel of John, chapter 1:1-4
Really?the Word thruout scripture refers to Christ,the Word became flesh.what are we all missing?
People, in rhis case mormons have a hard time admitting their ideology is wrong
That's because it's not wrong.
I wish I knew more about scripture so I could do apologetics street preaching. All I would do is look foolish and seem to lose the debate even though what I believe is absolute truth.
Go for it. Learn as you go. And honestly look at Ray Comfort. He just shares the gospel and doesn’t debate doctrinal differences. Just share the gospel and plant the seeds God can use.
Their tune changed real quick when they ran out of excuses 😂
Bible, Book Of Mormon, D&C, & Pearl Of Great Price, are Scriptures of, THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER DAY SAINTS.
Why you never do this outside catholic church, there's a billion catholics
Well Jeff grew up around mormons and his calling is to reach to them. I'd recommend checking out Alpha and omega ministries. James white reaches out to many Catholics.
Why doesn't this [insert body part here] of Christ not do the function of the [insert different body part here]?
Brother, please remember Paul's words:
If the whole body were an eye, where would be the sense of hearing? If the whole body were an ear, where would be the sense of smell?
1 Corinthians 12:17 ESV
I'm not chastising you, just reminding you of the Word. Please don't take offense!
@@yodasoja2011 well put brother.
@@6.0hhh thank you! I was hoping it didn't come off too harsh sounding. Being up in the middle of the night with a baby can make it hard to get my point and compassion across :P
Jeff what was it that you handed out to them at the end?