The Question that Stops Christians in Their Tracks
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- Опубліковано 16 січ 2017
- Greg Koukl of Stand to Reason explains how to rephrase the question that stops Christians in their tracks.
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Here are some common questions and helpful resources on Hell -
If sin is finite, why is Hell eternal?
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Why did God create people if he knew so many would go to Hell?
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How can we square God's desire for all to be saved with the existence of Hell?
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What’s the difference between Hell, Hades, Sheol, and Gehenna?
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Did Jesus descend into Hell?
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Be sure to check out Tim Barnett's three-part series on why STR believes Hell is biblical:
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Here are two problems that Hell solves:
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@@nickjones6651 eh...open your eyes, look in a mirror, think about what your asking, think about thinking? Wonder why your in such a minority history wide?
@@markbrown6978 "a minority"? Most people have not believed in the Christian God. Those who do are in the minority.
@@nickjones6651 maybe the fact Yeshua (Jesus) is mentioned in not only the Christian Bible but the Muslim bible as well? That says something. If that’s not enough, there are LITERAL ARCHAEOLOGICAL DISCOVERIES mentioned in the Bible. If that’s true, why would Jesus not be? Also, Read about the second law of Thermodynamics if you believe in science instead of God.
@@nickjones6651 Do you think a fine tuned super complex universe and every single particle and system of it isn't enough for you?
@@tommytomtom5531 Stupid reasoning!
If you care about winning more than about being truthful, you've already lost the battle.
🙏❤️🌞
Well when Christians "win" - they historically get away with genocide and child "abuse". So yeah, your "truth" always seems to leave out those ACTUAL truths.
In my case, the truths I use prevent me losing the battle.
@@johnhough4445 Because your truths aren't truths and you call them truths because they are derived from an ancient book who's proof always relies on itself for verification.
@@UNFORGIVABLExGAMING My truths are derived from my own mind and a long lifetime garnering various experiences (and dare I say it? Wisdoms...)
Now, please read your comment above-don't they apply more to you than to me?
Winning a debate and holding the correct ideas are two different things.
@@jeffforsythe9514 Very true, very wise words.
@@jeffforsythe9514 your wrong,there should be no rules only guidance,if you like rules change your belief,we shall be judged by what ever god you believe in,you maybe 73 and think you understand wisdom,a wise person is always learning
@@jeffforsythe9514 Drowning humans because God screwed up by making faulty humans is pretty messed up. Why would I want to worship a flawed god.
@@scottg6754 That's not what happened though.
Additionally, why would you assume that Yawhey is a just god? It says in Exodus that he's a man of war and in Genesis Yawhey preferred blood sacrifices of Abel over the sacrifice of bountiful produce. In fact, according to the book called the Ascension of Isaiah, the entire purpose of Jesus is that he's a kind of multiverse traveler who has to trick the powers of our mortal realm into killing him in order for him to pass through the multiverse from realm to realm. In doing so, Jesus was able to triumph over Yawhey who is a kind of false god and ascend to unite our mortal world with the true God's supreme grace.
@@donhue4546 It's you're. Not very difficult.
Asking questions is actually the best way to teach because it's the best way to get people to actually listen because you have first listened to them.
Plus, asking questions requires that the person we are trying to reach THINKS about what both they and we are saying. Their having to answer a question directly involves them in the thought/analyzation process. Depending on the path the questioning takes, they can actually end up answering their own unbelief with statements that prove a reason to believe.
Sounds like a manipulation tactic to me. Kind of like what a salesman does.
@@Sara-gl8ue Well it doesn't help that even "intelligent" people can be easily tricked by basically telling them the truth.
Its also a great way to avoid answering questions honestly when you know your answer makes you look bad
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Bitter truth is better than a sweet lie.
Not that people will accept that. We're reluctant to do so ourselves.
The ones lying are always those that say they know the truth yet never question what is real.
An easy soundbite.
But I thought the pool said in one Corinthians chapter 13 that unless I have love, I am nothing. Therefore it’s better to be kind than to be right
@@micklumsden3956 _I thought the pool said in one Corinthians chapter 13 that unless I have love, I am nothing. Therefore it’s better to be kind than to be right_
1. 'The pool'?
2. You're half right. Paul never said, 'it's better to be kind than to be right.' Paul did say, 'Speak the truth in love,' so we must be both kind and right, but if one had to choose between the truth and a lie, Paul, who always advocated for the truth would advocate for the truth here, too, however we felt about it.
Where ignorance is bliss it folly to be wise
The Truth is the Truth no matter how hard it may be to swallow. I'd rather be divided by truth than united in error.
In the hypothetical that God is real, people are not denying the truth of the proposition, they are pointing out that the truth (and the one who makes it true) is inconceivably evil. It’s a criticism of God’s immortality, not a rejection of his dominion.
@@jonathan4189 I think you meant 'immorality' not 'immortality' there - stupid autocorrect!
@@Phylaetra either way, what a foolish thing to think. Just believe what ever you want. No matter what, if it isn't in your heart to repent of your sins, and humble yourself and believe in Jesus, that He died for you, then just keep searing your conscience. It's your life, He gave us Freewill, either be a slave to sin, or be a Slave to God. Choose or don't no matter what, if you are neither hot or cold, but luke warm? He will spit you OUT! Stop sitting on the fence.
@@josephdiaz2182 so in your religion, we were created only to be slaves? What kind of immoral monster do you believe in?!
Why would a just and loving God give beings free will and then punish them for using it? If God doesn't want us to behave in certain ways, he could have created us so that we literally could not. Why didn't he?
@@PhylaetraYour born in sin no matter what you are born from the flesh and those who don't follow Jesus are a slave to sin. It's the truth he gives a choice because he wants true love and not forced love. People ask why did God put the tree in the garden it's because he wanted to give a choice. If you stare into the abyss it stares back right? If you follow sin then eventually you can't go back and you become it's slave
I thought the question was gonna be "If God is omniscient, why would he create a mankind of which most are destined for hell?"
@Phil Silverman
God did send His Son to intervene.
Everyone born has the opportunity to be saved.
Hmm, Maybe, just maybe, be - cause some Morons go agains the truth, facts & all good things! Including, Orders, the basic laws, oh, and they deni them! Now, that answers that! The stinking gate is open, go to hell !!
@@faithplusnothing yeah god sent jesus to stop Hitler 2,000 years ago… results to be heavily debated
@@druid54us
Jews thought the Messiah was going to be a mighty warrior that would protect them, when Jesus came to town on a donkey they missed who He was. Jesus paid the penalty of Sin on the cross, even today, few except it and believe.
It's good for us to remember that everyone isn't taught by the same techniques. Not all teachers teach use the same methods. This is why we had some teachers that we loved and others not so much. To ram the notion of sin down someone's throat doesn't always work. To make them see their sin can work much better. This is what I think he was doing here. I train/teach a lot of people about commercial insurance (yeah, I know) and I use the method of asking questions all the time. It works great to lead people to an answer they might not otherwise see.
Remember, some plant seeds, some water those seeds and some harvest those seeds. No matter what part you play, you do it as unto the Lord and He gets the glory. Your reward is in Heaven. His "sidestepping" the question wasn't to deflect from it, it was to frame the answer in such a way that the one asking could see it without feeling accused. Jesus did this all the time with parables. When asked who my neighbor is, Jesus presented the answer in such a way as to force the one asking to consider his own condition, not ram some rule down his throat which he already knew the answer to.
just wish the radio preachers would do this, instead of yelling and condemning everyone
_To ram the notion of sin down someone's throat doesn't always work_
False Dilemma Fallacy because you do not explain it. To talk about sin is not to 'ram it down someone's throat.' To not talk about sin is to ignore or reject the most obvious character of human life. So where does that leave us?
@@craigsmith1443 False Dilemma Fallacy? Did you not read the rest of my comment? The very next sentence suggested leading someone to recognize their sin and not being the one to condemn them in it by jamming it down their throat. The entire purpose of repenting is recognizing your sin and turning toward God. You cannot talk about salvation without discussing sin and repentance. I think we're on the same page, but it appeared that you missed the bases of my initial comment. I hope this clarifies it
@@craigbassett7146 Apparently not, for it does not appear on my screen for some reason.
_it appeared that you missed the bases of my initial comment. I hope this clarifies it_
It does indeed appear so, and yes, it does. Thank you.
The question that stops Christian's in their tracks is hey im down on my luck can i barrow 100 bucks
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A priest and a rabbi were having lunch when the rabbi asked if the priest had ever broken his vows? The priest thought a bit and replied he had. He said a woman had come to him who was so lovely both in spirit and in physical beauty and a relationship developed.
He gave into temptation and slept with hef.
The rabbi said to priest really? That is better than my ham sandwich!
nice
i dont get it
@@mikaelium192 both breaking their religious vows
That is perfect. Best one I've heard in a while.
One night an atheist came outside on his balcony an stared up at the stars. He smiled as looked at them and thought to himself, "I see 👀 the (same) stars every night and they are so beautiful, they are always there and they don't change." Then he went back inside to finish the book he was reading about "The Journey of earth catapulting through space"... When he got to chapter about earths travels he read that the earth is traveling at 30 kilometers per second through space. He was puzzled and took out some paper and a pencil and started to calculate this theory. He quickly realized that the book was wrong because if the earth was traveling at 30 kilometers per second it was mathematically impossible for him to see the same stars at night, not only him but all of the countless generations that came before him who also saw the same stars. He thought to himself if that theory were actually accurate then every 500 years we would see different stars and star systems and that astronomy would be changing rapidly, but it doesn't.
It's not about winning a debate , it's about speaking the truth. Like it or not, the truth doesn't always sit well with those who don't like the truth
I always have to defend myself to Christians… livin in the Bible Belt- n’all.
Are you okay with telling people what you believe and them looking at you like your some kind of sadistic monster worshiping the most evil deity conceivable? Lots of people feel icky when perceived as a henchman of a cosmic villain so they try to couch their beliefs or try to explain away why it only _appears_ to be a morally heinous religion.
@@jonathan4189 what do you suppose leads to them believes? (I am, ironically, an atheist)
@@harzroller9862 fellowship, belonging, normalizing the bizarre, reassurance about primary fears, ego stroking, reassurance about primary angers. That and when everyone you love and trust says the same thing, which includes that you are among the chosen people and can be besties with the creator if the universe who loves you, you just don’t question it.
@@jonathan4189 so in a sense a hatred of life as we live it and a contentment with others of your clade
I am thankful for this honesty about a dishonest rhetorical trick. Note that the original question was not actually answered, but circumvented, by the oratory. (BTW If anyone else claims to be the only forgiver, does that make him / her the Only Way, too?) Now, for the record: I, too, have done wrong things. I got punished for most of them and I'm not complaining. As for the rest, I reject the idea of shoving the rightful punishment off onto any innocent person past, present or future. So the circumvention does not work, in my case. And, besides, we know what the answer to the original question is. I am glad that the presenter admitted it.
But the twisted thing is... The punishment is already paid in his poor analogy... And the victim is the judge himself!
A better analogy with the judge would be for the judge to say that at the start of his career he spent a year in jail and can now pardon any and all crimes for those who wish to have their crimes pardoned... No matter how many times you commit the crime and appear before the judge. There is no punishment for doing wrong in this, if you do or don't do wrong, the same punishment has already been enacted. This is the opposite of justice and worse yet it gives blanket permission to commit whatever abhorrent deed you desire...
When I ask a question and the person begins by asking ME questions, I know it's an attempt to paint me into a corner from which I may not be able to extract myself from. I interrupt and say "just answer the question."
Exactly. Having "discussions" at this level is just a waste of time.
Eh, depends on the question.
@@isaac13d No.
@@freiherr260 eh, yeah.
@@isaac13d eh (?)
This is exactly what drove me from religion. I ask questions about religion because I want the answer.
Bishop Barron if you are an intellectual.
The assumption from the beginning is that - Jesus is the Judge who takes his robe off; that is the crux; not that of the moral question of being a sinner. So the 'answer' of the guilt problem is that the assumption must be correct. MY question is: IF GOD can not lie; "IF" he did would it be a lie or a paradox? If Jesus is lord, does that mean he is LORD? [Gensis 15:7; cf Exodus 6:3]. Back to the assumption.
I pray you research these videos here, then continue research beyond this site.
Christianity has finally set my faith in stone.
Sadly, far to many Christians and pastors, do not know the answers. They should study more, to be able to answer general inquires.
@monty_hall A PhD in evolutionary biology has no rational explanation for the origin of life.
Louis Pasteur disproved the Abiogenesis Theory experimentally.
Ask JESUS CHRIST. Respectfully, that is. "Ask and you shall receive..Seek and you shall find...Knock and it shall be opened unto you."
Dude, it's not about argument, it's about realization. Truth is that which is realized to be true not argued to be true.
kind of, its more truth is proven to be true, which can come from either evidence or in some cases experience. likelihood can be argued, not truth itself. sorry if I'm being rude or nit-picky
Yeah, like how we understand findings in science and psychology as our best guess of what is real truth instead of bible scriptures that are only relative to individual interpretation of them.
What you've just described us an excercise in obfuscation and sophistry
Some “Christian” eh?
That was an excellent teaching. I was just asking God that very question today in accordance with James 1:5 ("Ask God for Wisdom & He will give it to you").. "What do I say to someone to win them over to Christ" ? God gave me His wisdom through your educational video. He has been talking to me a lot these days, through many avenues. Thank you soooo much ! God bless you. ✝️
Wow! God recommends UA-cam videos. Prove it.
“If I say what I really think people will think I’m a monster” sounds good homie
Yep and biggots like him don't like to be called monsters.
you are, and so is your god.
@@86Corvus sir, I’m an atheist.
It was an uncharacteristically candid admission, huh? Avoiding questions, sidestepping, and generally being dishonest with the audience so that Jesus looks better. Neato!
you said it!
Yes, the Bible says that whoever doesn't believe the way the Bible says going to hell. Now if we could only figure out which version and which denomination is right.
I've read at least 5 different versions of the Holy Word of the Living God Jesus Christ's biography since the early 1970's, the Holy Bible, in general about 8 times, and the New Testament at least 300 times. Every time I open God's Word, He speaks to my heart and leads me further down the path of righteousness, peace, and joy in the Holy Spirit! I wouldn't recommend the archaic King James because of the outdated vernacular. The New King James is better. The Amplified Bible is excellent but much wordier than any others, the New American Standard version is a very good Bible should someone choose to pursue the Catholic perspective. I really like Young's Literal Version when you want to study the original meanings of the Aramaic and Greek. I'm not impressed with "the Living Bible because of the paraphrasing or any of the other modern versions. If I was just beginning to start reading the Word, I probably would stick to the Latin Vulgate, the Septuagint, or maybe a website where you can study at least five versions at once so you can delve into the original meaning of the Aramaic, Greek, and Hebrew. Either way, I always preface any of my study by an intense, devoted prayer asking the Holy Spirit to guide me by His anointing. If you haven't been baptized in the Holy Spirit, I would strongly recommend that you first become rock solid and build some trustworthy friendships with fellow believers who believe in the inerrancy of the scriptures and who don't get too legalistic but let the Holy Spirit move! They have many full-gospel congregations who operates in the gifts of the Holy Spirit and who you can turn to in times of trial. I will ask Jesus to help you! God bless!
@Péter Magas sparcely truthful as naturally those elietes hold onto their power by all kinds of schemes infiltrations violence etc. but if the bible is looked into as christ as the mesiah realizing he was god on earth and that he has the last word then all of the paul infiltration into christianity must b thrown out the window the christ never told the people are objects of the state and must support it he in fact said and showed the opposite
@Péter Magas wrong u didn t get the message u re apparently under satan s thumb i d suggest major learning of the bible
That is/ are simply man made up! "" Hah, whwich version?! "" How abou, what the common sense tells all of us? To choose betwene Good & Evil? Truth / False? It's given & written in all Bibles! It just shows, too many people read the Bible for a while, they look at it, @ their own way(S) than they make some VHS / Videos & they get quickly rich, off of lots of true & busy yet naive pople! Slide down, past PATEGONIA?! Past the Southern black whole = To HELL!!
You don't have to figure anything out hell is only for Satan and his demons. According to Peter Jesus went to hell while he was dead for three days and saved the people that died before the cross. After the cross we are all saved by grace. When you ask forgiveness of a sin you are crucifying Jesus again and again we are already saved by grace and the cross once and for all. Read the New Testament after the four Gospels. Judgement day is just too determine the extent of our reward not whether we are going to heaven or hell.
“The living are conscious that they will die; but as for the dead, they are conscious of nothing at all.” Ecclesiastes 9:5
a text taken out of its context, in isolation of the CO-text, is a pre-text.
Very lazy, some thinker you are.
@@josephdiaz2182 not at all, the dead don't know anything because they are asleep in the grave waiting for the Day of Resurrection. No one will ever go the Heaven.
@@Nonexistent10 can you please tell me where you found this?
If you have been made alive by Christ, then you are not dead even tho you are in the grave. Lazurus and the rich man shows much activity in the grave.
And to claim no one will ever go to heaven, what do you base that claim on?, It is written that their is a ressurection of the just(justified) and the unjust(not justified).
So apparrently all that is in the grave is delivered up to Judgement one way or the other based upon the book of life and the lamb's book of life.
This happens at the Throne of God so once again apparrently everyone goes to heaven at least once. @@Nonexistent10
This reminds me of a pretty cool poem for my country called "Paul's third letter to the Corinthians"
I, who am about to die
Dwell with thee, whom the Lord hath giveth
Eternal life.
And the Lord giveth all
Eternal life
But, Eternal life does not exist
Sadly.
So, if you've ever done anything wrong, no matter how trivial, you have to burn in hell forever if you don't believe in Jesus. But if you do believe, no matter how heinous your past deeds, you're home free.
You misunderstand many things it appears but let me address one of them at least.
Just believing In Jesus isn't what quickens you
It's being born again that makes the difference.
The devil believes and trembles before Jesus
But being born again wipes the slate clean and God casts your sins over His right shoulder into
the sea of forgetfulness it says.
So belief must turn into a desire to be made new, whole again except this time your birth is not according to man or the flesh, it is according to Gods Holy Spirit who does this operation of faith.
Ye must be born again, not of the flesh but of
the spirit.
That is how your home free.
In regards to believing the same thing, remember the criminal on the cross who asked Jesus to remember him. He might not have known everything in detail, but he had faith in Jesus.
i think that’s one of the evidences we have that it is by faith in Jesus and Him being Lord truly is the fact of praising the Lord and His Son. And if you are truly following the holy spirit and morals He gives you and try to follow and love Him and everyone you will then produce the fruits. But it’s not be fruits or worms that u r saved those r just the bonus to the love you get❤️ i always loved how Jesus reassured the man on the cross because that must have taken a lot of energy for both of them and they must have celebrated afterwards🐑🥰
@Keyser Söze okay. Lord please give me the proper words here. i’m sorry if I dont explain all of my reasonings correctly but i’ll try my best cause I really want you to believe that I truly believe and Love that He’s actually real. It fills the searching your soul wants and being given The Holy Spirit really changes entire life when you ask God speak to you. Have you heard of sedimentary layers and how with each layer in stone or earth is a year and we can look at the age of stones objects etc? It’s just a part of science these days but i’m not a scientist. Anyways, the dead sea, basically it’s Gods target for history right beside Jerusalem and I say that because anything that happens in that city, earthquakes, eruptions etc will be recorded in the rocks layers and u can date a specific earthquake to when Jesus died and it’s seen in the layer of rock at the dead sea. There’s a whole lot more to it if you want to know I just skimmed the surface there. And I know it’s like so what if an earthquake happened when he died but it’s cause of the tearing of the curtain and what humans did, what and how God told us exactly what would happen to His Son. It proves Jesus was real and it’s now down to if you believe He is Lord. And that’s why God said the only way to Him was through His Son. There’s a lot more, a lot.
@Keyser Söze Did you not read what I tried to say? And I had no bible quotes in my response above. I took the time to respond and I could give you a verse about your ears specifically telling you why you find hatred and no evidence with what I just said, but you don’t desire The Lord or His guidance. You can go look further and look up what I mentioned above about the earthquake at the moment Jesus died to specifically show you he died on a cross on this year and we know it’s accurate because we can see significant earthquakes from hundreds of years (more than 400) years before Christ and so we can date that a specific even did take place. Read about it. That’s not even biblical it’s historical. I’m trying to offer you one piece of evidence but you completely have no desire to hear and that’s why your not seeing or hearing. I feel that way a lot and it’s not that we have to know every detail but it’s the Faith as Chris P said. Talk to Him and He will listen.
@@sambun6394 no offense but this is the random gibberish people give me when I ask questions. It’s all pivoting and deflection. Let’s just be honest: YOU DONT KNOW.
What’s sad is that so many are brainwashed and indoctrinated to follow such beliefs.
@@ddt6468 i’m sorry but to be saved by The Lord is something you must desire. I’m only on this planet to love other people and share The Good News that you and I are both saved but only if you trust Jesus Christ and want The Lord. If you don’t want to hear Him then you don’t know Him.
“One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.”
― Carl Sagan
Atheism as conspiracy theory.
Excellent explanation of why voters keeping voting for the corrupt, incompetent, & criminal Democrat party.
@@logicalmuslim1590 How so?
@@DejiAdegbite whether your preferred conspiracy is illuminati or chemtrails or flat earth or fake moon landing or that all religions are concocted by a cabal to control the public they have the following in common.
1) belief that a secret cabal has lied to the public
2) massive ego rush from discovering that you see the lie that others don't.
3) belief that anyone who doesn't believe in the conspiracy theory is either a part of the conspiracy or a dupe of the conspiracy too stupid to see the lie.
4) a feeling of entitlement to condescend to anyone who doesn't believe in the conspiracy.
@@logicalmuslim1590 Ok, so how is atheism a conspiracy theory?
Sometimes the truth hurts, but it's still the truth.
Yes, the truth is hard. Lies are easy.
Anyone who seeks the truth and goes to the Bible is laughable. They go to the Bible to be deluded.
And Jesus is that Truth
@@MovieMakingManwhat is the truth and where did you find it if you did?
@@morbidclash Truth is being in accord to reality. That leaves out the Bible since it is collection of books of stories plagiarized for centuries of thousands of years and virtually all is authors are ANONYMOUS. There is zero evidence the biblical god is real. There isn’t any contemporary evidence Jesus even existed. Sadly, that doesn’t stop christians from deliberately lying and living in delusion.
A very clear answer to such a question as you pose can be found in Scripture. God's Word is the Christians reference, and I have found no reason to not direct such questions to it. It's not what I believe, but what God says that matters. Reason tells me that if I wish to know God's position on a matter, His Word would be the place to start in a search for answers.
You hit it Walter !🎯 Now let’s go tell someone else about Jesus. 🙏🏼🎶 Are you in ?
“We are not meant to belong, we are meant to stand out.”
“If anyone causes one of these little ones-those who believe in me-to stumble, it would be better for them to have a large millstone hung around their neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea. Woe to the world because of the things that cause people to stumble! Such things must come, but woe to the person through whom they come!
__ Matthew 18: 6_7
We belong to God Jesus is The 1 alone ✝️ who stands out! 🕊
If someone asks you a simple question, you should dodge te answer and give a monologue. Thats what that video teaches
the video uses the same approach dipak used with him. it's all about phrasing or how you present your case. Just like how Dipak Chopra was able to present his question in a belligerent sort of way to lead you to the answer he wants you to arrive at, Mr. Kouki simply used that same method in explaining the gospel to someone else although less belligerently. It's like asking someone if they would get the death penalty simply for not thinking the same way. there's a lot being left out of the question.
@@sweetweebygoodness8693 This is my problem with most religious people. They defame and slander people to support their agenda. The question Deepak Chopra asked was not belligerent in ANY sort of way. You subjectively interpreted it that way and decided to present such statement as truth, as you do with most other aspects of your religion. He wasn't leading any answer; it was a simple yes or no question. Even if it WAS a leading question, using that same method is not moral, it's manipulative. Someone will probably try to quote me some scripture, save your time. defending your logic with a book based on circular reasoning holds no bearing with me. I believe in proven truth, not a prayer.
The debate shouldn't be seen as sticking it to your opponent, but as a way to bridge understanding between you and them. If you're a Christian who doesn't want to look stupid or who wants to stick it to some atheist who thinks they know better than you, your head is in the wrong place. Whether you debate a Muslim or a Jew or a Buddhist or an atheist, you should always keep in your mind that at then end of the conversation you want to call them brother or sister and no to push them away out of vanity. The Bible has the answers, if it didn't it wouldn't have spread all over the world and stuck. People have questioned the Bible since its conception and they always should because it needs to stand up to scrutiny.
With that said, this is a good way of handling it. When blunt questions are asked like this the questioner almost always wants a blunt answer intentionally. They don't want a follow up, they just want "yes if you don't believe in Jesus Christ you're going to hell" and nothing more. It's meant to shame you rather than engage with you, but when you have the opportunity to engage and to delve deeper and explain that we are human beings and we have done wrongs and because we've done wrong we deserve punishment as punishment is apart of justice, but that God in choosing to die at our hands and telling us we are forgiven is payment for our sins from then on, it becomes a bigger a deal. If you know of Christ and know that he died for the forgiveness of sins, how can you refute God? To refute him and to say I don't believe is to not want God and hell is punishment because it is a place without God. Now if one were to say "I'm not convinced" I would still say that there is reason to examine the bible further and examine the points of doubt, because there are answers out there, you just have to look
You're wong. "some atheist who thinks they know better" is not the case. Unlike Christians, atheists don't care about unanswered questions as unlike any religion, science and common sense answer them one by one. There are millions of things that used to be explained as God's punishment and now turned out to be absolutely natural and explainable. Nobody will ever provide an evidence a guy called Jesus didn't live in that place during that time as that would mean saying there was no John Smith living in London in 2005. Unfortunately, all the rest is mythology and it's totally unnecessary if you just want to be a good person living a good life. Willingness to do good things to others must be much stronger motivation than the fear of going to hell and it that's not the case for someone, he has serious issues.
well said...
Lusting after a woman (thought crime) or stealing a loaf a bread from Walmart to feed starving family (BILLION DOLLAR company)? No. Genocide and physical abuse, like in the old testament... In Prison.The average person doesn't need to be punished for millions of years for anything.
Not only did this not provide a rational answer to the question, it comes across as manipulative with these used car salesman tactics.
That being said, they could work on people who are vulnerable and searching for answers. And in this case, they would likely take any answer.
But as far as convincing someone not of the same faith, it falls flat.
You’d have a better chance at appearing credible with your initial honest answer of “yes, if you’d don’t believe the way I do, you’re doing to hell”.
I prefer my approach: "I don't CARE what you believe. Jesus is Lord. Hell is real, as is heaven, and you can go to either all you want."
Dismissed.
@@ceoelektronika8604 prove it. Oh, that's right, you can't. Thus endeth the lesson
Well done. I would answer that question with a story. Remember the two thieves on their crosses to the left and right of Jesus? These two men, in their own way, encapsulate all of humanity and our responses to Christ. On the one hand is a thief who questions why an all powerful being doesn’t save himself (and us!) the trouble of punishment. The existence of punishment is an offense to that theif. On the other hand is a thief who recognizes that he deserves what’s he's getting, and that Jesus doesn’t, so he asks to be remembered by the eternal being at his side. It’s quite a statement of faith, given that all of the disciples had scattered, and Jesus was seemingly defeated at that point. Logically, the whole idea would’ve been preposterous to the other thief who was singularly focused on escaping justice. The cross has always been an offense to those who are perishing. He was scolded by the other thief, “Don’t you fear God? We are getting what we deserve, but this man has done nothing wrong. Jesus, remember me when you enter into your kingdom.” The simple prayer of “remember me” harkens back a number of prayers for salvation and forgiveness among multiple Old Testament figures. We are all thieves awaiting punishment, to one degree or another. Justice must be served. How we respond to the offensive cross will determine whether we escape it.
That's a fantastic illustration, John. Thanks for sharing!
Couldn’t one simply deny the idea, and it wouldn’t be so? After all, reality is simply the projection of how the mind perceives the universe, rather than the universe itself. So in that sense, an insane man could not be punished, since he wouldn’t be able to comprehend that he is being punished. Nor could a man who is cognitively impaired, or a man who is brain-dead. To them, there is no reality but their own.
Baptism into Christ is our crucifixion and so the thief really was taking baptism seriously and like many today ignore this command to be baptized by God
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Well said
“Let your speech always be with grace, as though seasoned with salt, so that you will know how you should respond to each person.”
Colossians 4:6 (NASB1995)
This was outstanding. "If you've never done anything wrong.. then you don't understand the need for a pardon". (And that is why, whenever I am asked that question ...and it does come up on occasion... I always respond by saying that I will not answer, unless I am able to offer the reason for my answer as well.)
Ask a physicist/biologist/chemist questions about the origins of the universe, the origins of life, mankind, etc and they will go into great detail. Ask a christian a similar, tough question and the best advice is to learn how to sidestep it?
Welcome to Christianity!
Conceited in their science...as they think THEY are masters of it. Christians of true Faith..(not pseudo..or tv phones that are out to make money) come from an interior source that CREATED them. Some are open to that GRACE..many are not. It is the acknowledgement that CREATOR ..who is ALL GOOD...has made the Universe.
The "scientists" will only spout theories that haven't been proven nor are repeatable.
@@marilynbrown5274 Huh?
@@johntasha2 uh, what? I can't help If you can't comprehend it.
“You don’t have to believe what I say you have to believe what God’s word says”.
The Bible says that the Jews God Yehovah (Jehovah is God) John 17:3, John 4: 23,24, John 20:17, 1 Peter 3:22, 1 Corinthians 15:24-28.
And he couldn't even say that honestly to Chopra's face.
@@aliasfakename4143 2 Peter 1:20-21 “knowing this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture comes from someone's own interpretation. For no prophecy was ever produced by the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.”
2 Tim 3:16-17 “All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of God may be competent, equipped for every good work.”
1 Thes 2:13 “And we also thank God constantly for this, that when you received the word of God, which you heard from us, you accepted it not as the word of men but as what it really is, the word of God, which is at work in you believers.”
But I do not expect you to believe these things for as scripture tells us,
Now we have received not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might understand the things freely given us by God. And we impart this in words not taught by human wisdom but taught by the Spirit, interpreting spiritual truths to those who are spiritual. (1 Cor 2:12-13)
How do you know it to be god's word?
@@Philitron128 Religion is about belief, not about knowledge. If you want to know about what we can know, I suggest to start with Socrates.
The true Church is engraved on the heart, dwells in the mind and made eternal by the soul.
‘Love one another as I have loved you.’ Nothing else is required.
Well maybe truth is the first thing.
"A Christian apologist debates a new age guru . . ." Is this the opening line of a joke?
Only if they walk into a bar.
Could certainly be ... so let's cut to the punchline~!
LOL
“If anyone causes one of these little ones-those who believe in me-to stumble, it would be better for them to have a large millstone hung around their neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea. Woe to the world because of the things that cause people to stumble! Such things must come, but woe to the person through whom they come!
Matthew 18: 6_7
“If anyone causes one of these little ones-those who believe in me-to stumble, it would be better for them to have a large millstone hung around their neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea. Woe to the world because of the things that cause people to stumble! Such things must come, but woe to the person through whom they come!
__ Matthew 18: 6_7
When someone says "... so you are saying... ." immediately respond, no, you are the one saying that.
Good one!
Personally I tend to retort "Was I in any way unclear?"
being passive aggressive is a good way to have a conversation unlike your approach
@@aldewachter7986 what do you mean?
wooosh
@@godswill2260 I mean: if you're going to play games, don't follow silly rules.
Are you saying paraphrasing is a bad thing?
This question just now popped into my mind. Would God create people who are sociopathic (without a conscience) knowing that the sins they commit will lead them to hell?
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@@STRvideos naw, I’m not much into that. Many things can be explained away by knowledgeable people. I also wonder why God created hell, since we believe He created everything. Why did He just destroy Satan and his minions rather than creating a place (hell) which could be used to keep people in line out of fear?
Only God knows the answer, but here's my opinion:
Why did He create sociopaths? For that matter, why did He create psychopaths, serial killers, puppy kickers, etc, etc, etc..... because God uses all things to give Him glory. Without seeing and knowing the evil in the world, we wouldn't need faith, would we? Everything would be perfect, and we would thank God and love Him without choosing to love Him...... but there's the other predicament. He gave us free will, so that we have the CHOICE to love Him. We also have the choice to sin and send ourselves to hell.
Just because you have sinned doesn't mean your going to hell. Hell is not the same as the. Lake of fire and brimstone. And the Lake of fire and brimstone wasn't created for man. It was created for Satan and his angels.
So.. Matthew Henry's commentary often emphasizes the concept of free will in interpreting biblical passages. In the context of individuals with sociopathic tendencies sir, the perspective could be that God grants humans the freedom to make choices, even if those choices lead to immoral behavior. The idea is that God's omniscience doesn't negate human responsibility for their actions. Consequently, the potential for sins leading to hell may be viewed as a consequence of individual choices rather than a predetermined design by God. This perspective aligns with the theological theme of free will present in many Christian interpretations.
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This line of reasoning assumes several things, 1. The Bible is the true word of God, 2. A common definition of "bad things" or "sins", 3. Any violation deserves a sentence of eternity in he'll, 4. Hell exists. I reject all of these.
Exactly... good and bad area both relative to circumstances, individuals, who defines them, etc...
Then what is your game plan on Judgment Day when you find you have lived a lie? Be specific. Elaborate.
@@Gablesman888 Everything that is, exists.
If a creator god exists, by definition that god made everything, including all existing animals and the nature he created in them.
If a creator god made animals, he did so because he cares about the things he created.
A creator god would not cause any of his creations to suffer, because of the nature that he created in any other of his other creations.
Humans, and African wild spotted dogs exist.
African wild spotted dogs, by their created nature, eat their prey while the prey is alive, causing horrible pain and suffering.
Humans, by their created nature, cause other humans and other animals to suffer.
No creator god exists.
@@Gablesman888 is this a serious question? What other hypothetical imaginary scenarios can anyone concoct and demand how someone would respond to it? What is your game plan when you find out its a big illusion and the Lord Zod demands you to subjugate to his power or else, what will you do? Be specific. Elaborate. Making up hypothetical fantasies and asking others how they would respond may be fun but not very useful.
@@Gablesman888 there is no judgement day. I don't believe in a supreme being, heaven, or hell. When you die, that's the end. There is no afterlife.
Soooo ... Still waiting for the answer to the question. Is there a Part 2?
Yes me too. Never ceases to amaze me, that Christians especially this type of guy who I suspect they know the game is up on religion especially as it based on faith and not factual evidence, it's origins no matter the religion pretty much come humans in caves petrified and trying to make sense and reason of why that very large yellow ball and the smaller silver one at nighttime don't fall to the ground like rocks do. Each century basically waffle as this guy does by using words (like a con man does) to build their own arguements that to them prove their belief as oppose as in Science where sometimes years of logic, experimentation, counter proofs to disprove the scientific law are carried out. To me, guys like this one are just mentally ill !!
The video was about tactics, not trying to answer the question. But:
“Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.”
John 14:6 ESV
@@kaitlinrose6352 Wow, you really thought that through!
@@wendymoran6759 I don't think it can be any more obvious than that. If you choose to ignore it than go ahead, it is your prerogative. Many do. If you find it offensive, I'm sorry for that.
Wendy, the answer is as follows, first, the question was not really intended as an actual question, it was intended as a trap, a stumbling block.
That notwithstanding, how I believe is not the key to being right with God; thus, to the direct, verbatim question, the answer is, no, you don't need to believe exactly like me to go to heaven, be right with God, or however one thinks of that.
The issue is this, you and I and all of us were irrevocably destined to be separated from our loving God, Creator and Father forever. There was absolutely nothing that could be done about that. BUT, He loved us, He loved me, He loved you; so much so that He was willing to put aside His royal rights, become one of us, and associate with our pain and suffering by suffering Himself, and even dying for us. He paid for our reconciliation, restoration and restitution. He won our war with a horrible destiny and, now, let's us enjoy the rights and privileges to be called children of the King of all kings.
I think this is the greatest news ever!
The real answer to the question is that God created you for relationship with Him. That's still what He wants; and He was willing to humble Himself and pay with His own life to get it.
God bless you, Wendy. I'm praying your eyes are opened to the beauty of true life.
I’m a disabled believer who has developed interest in logic and apologetics due to taking an online Christian apologetics course (I got an A!) I am interested in using the tools mentioned in this video but don’t know how to practice apologetics in an online space. Any tips?
Hi Charles. We have numerous articles, podcasts, and videos on apologetics on our website at STR.org. Please feel free to browse our archives there. Below are some resources to get you started:
www.str.org/w/tactics-for-online-discussions
www.str.org/w/why-are-you-debating-
www.str.org/w/how-to-respond-to-criticism
www.str.org/w/the-columbo-tactic
www.str.org/w/two-tactics-to-rule-them-all
@@STRvideos Thank you so much and may God continue to bless what you do!! I spend time each week going over your material (along with others) to help me not only be a better writer/witness but also to help me critique my own thinking about what I believe. Thank you for sparking the path as one of my mentors! PS I’m finishing up the last classes to finally get my Bachelor’s degree! PPS I’m slowly starting how God is using my nerdy, always questioning self in ways that I never ever considered!
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Apologetics is not a ministry.
@@Nonexistent10 a true understanding of the attonement and the need to obtain the redemption by the grace of God through Jesus Christ is his representatativr sacrifice and not substitutionary because Jesus didn't pay and we have nothing to do but believe rather we must follow by taking up our cross
Where can I watch the debate with the guru?
The problem is "Bad people deserve to be punished" is not even remotely the same statement as "People that do not worship Jesus will go to hell". He didn't want to provide the answer he thought was right because it would have made his religion look bad, so instead of answering honestly he dodged the question and gave him an answer that was so watered down that it was completely irrelevant to the argument. He intentionally left the moral crimes and the punishment ambiguous because that makes it more palatable, if he came out and said the crime was looking at a woman and thinking she was attractive, and the punishment was burning in hell for eternity, that would have been more difficult for him to justify
He had to explain it that way bcoz that's the only way he could've made you understand. If we come clean, we'll sound too harsh and paint a bad picture of God even though what we say is the truth.
I need you to read this illustrative story.
A father had 2 children. He was very close to them and loved them very dearly. One day as he went out, he told the children not to ride the new bikes he just bought for them bcoz they could get injured but that they could play with every other toy they had. While he was away, a cunning friend of theirs came by and was able to convince them to ride their bikes. They did and got injured. So he grounded them by not letting them ride their bikes for a period of time while making sure they got medical treatments.
He told them they would get even better bikes if they perfected their bike-riding skills which they couldn't do without practice. So he rented bikes for them .
He employed professional trainers for them while heading the team and being there to give them some guidelines . The children had to go through intense training. Sometimes out of enthusiasm or excitement, they did what they wanted to do and ended up getting injured. He was always there to pick them back up and encourage them knowing their ultimate goal was to get their dream bikes.
Long story cut short, they finished the training successfully and got their dream bikes.
You are right. They are not equivalent at all and conflates human made ideas of justice based on emotion and instinct with the Logos that is God. Technically speaking, as a human you think someone deserves punishment but that doesn’t translate to what God wants
@@Jayyyy5454okay, should the kids go to he'll for riding their bikes?
He literally addressed that in the beginning of the video.
I have grown such that I don't even get into these types of things, because my experience has shown me that they go no where and have no conclusion. I believe what I do and don't have to justify it, and I give the individual the same liberty.
A Christian's responsibility is two-fold: Strive to let Christ live out His through them and proclaim, not debate.
After you have done the latter, you have planted a seed and that's it. If God wants it watered, it will be and He will give the increase. If they won't hear you, Jesus said shake the dust off of your feet.
The way he comes across is that he is concerned about looking bad in man's eyes. Dr. Chopra's question, in my opinion, made him shift his attention from God/The Bible to himself. Tell him what The Bible says and leave it, and he can take it or leave it.
Yeah. Unfortunately if someone identifies as an atheist they are usually beyond help. I will still get into debates because
A. It’s helpful in strengthening my faith. B. It may be helpful to those who are reading the debate who are not yet lost.
Doc, we all have our own individual walk, so if debating strengthens your faith, so be it. I understand your point it helping those listening. I am assuming that you mean relative to hell when you say lost, because they are already lost. Remember that Jesus said that he came to seek and save that which was lost. So we were born lost.
I agree. I love apologetics, but if someone's heart isn't receptive to God's Word then no amount of debating or attempting to reason them will have an effect. We can plant the seed, but God is the one that ultimately waters it.
I came to the Lord when I was at rock bottom after living in a way that broke a few of the 10 commandments. You know what made me want to turn away from sin? God's love and stern warnings throughout the scriptures that said how I had lived was wrong.
Exactly, bro. Well said
still trying to figure out what question stops Christians in their tracks
@@Ex_christian well Christians are the guardians of reality
I’d say that people who do bad things, are often punished by the mere fact that they are the ones doing them. Mabye not right away, but at some point.
We are still stuck with ideas of vengeance - so a person steals money from me, am I supposed to be happy that he got cancer and is suffering? How does that help me? An eye for an eye will make things better?
Why is it that we can't see this simple truth?
@@ramaraksha01 we are not all stuck with the idea of vengeance. I want nothing to do with it.
@@ciphergrey6298 So where are the articles against Hell? All Hell does is punish the criminal AFTER he is dead and can no longer do any harm!
But how does Hell help the victim?
Does a father who has his child abducted care that the criminal is being tortured in Hell & from the other side of the mouth Christians & Muslims promise Heaven if the criminal repents?
All a father wants is his child back - but it seems the Christian/Muslim God cannot deliver Justice - they can only deliver Vengeance
But how come the only person asking such questions is me?
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Clearly it shows that these religions are man-made - Ancient people living under Kings/Dictators used them as a template for God!
God is a King, a Dictator, a Putin!
Putin is the top God in the 21st century!
Putin says, "Believe in me, support me blindly and be rewarded or else!"
And we all agree that Putin is scum, his supporters are scum
But change the name Putin to God and now we get "Praise the Lord!"
Hello!
@@MarcusHitch Thank you
What frightens me is the silence of Teachers and students of morals & values
When Christians say "Only those who believe in Jesus get Heaven" or when Muslims say, "Only those who believe in Allah get Heaven" the rest to be condemned to hell, clearly, they are saying that morals, values, who we are as human beings does not matter
All that matters is loyalty, belief and obedience
How anyone can miss seeing a King/Dictator like Putin in these Gods is beyond me
Putin rewards those who believe and support him blindly - oligarchs and other blind supporters have done well under Putin
This is God?
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Is the afterlife like living in North Korea? Where the few who support the "Dear Loving Leader" get the good life while the vast majority starve & live dirt poor lives?
This is Heaven in the 21st century?
I keep asking where are the educated?
The intellectuals?
How come they can't see any of this?
@@ramaraksha01 here’s the truth, it’s your choice on how you wish to handle it. . I have seen Jesus, in his resurrected, spirit body. As well as angels, ascending and descending what I believe to be Jacobs ladder. The Shroud of Turin, is authentic. So is the Prince of Peace painting. Space is just a space they created between us and heaven. It’s heaven up there. Aliens aren’t real, and the “alien” greys, are spiritual entities. I’m not sure if they are good or bad, but they watch us along with the other entities that do, and there are indeed more than one kind watching us, I believe always. We are chosen, to know, or not know. Some will be false prophets, and teach the incorrect gospel. If they claim Jesus is God, and not Messiah, they are teaching false doctrine. Father is the only true God. Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life. He is necessary. He is real, and he is risen!
John 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
Romans 8:29 For those whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brethren;
John 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh, is not of God; and such is the spirit of Antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come, and even now already it is in the world.
Luke 1:35: “...therefore the child to be born will be called holy-the Son of God.”
Luke 4:41: “And demons also came out of many, crying, ‘You are the Son of God!’ But he rebuked them and would not allow them to speak, because they knew that he was the Christ.”
Mark 3:11: “And whenever the unclean spirits saw him, they fell down before him and cried out, ‘You are the Son of God.’”
John 1:34: “And I have seen and have borne witness that this is the Son of God.”
Matthew 14:33: “And those in the boat worshipped him, saying, ‘Truly you are the Son of God.’”
Matthew 16:15-16: “He said to them, ‘But who do you say I am?’ Simon Peter replied, ‘You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.’” Ephesians 2:10
For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them.
Ephesians 1:11
also we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to His purpose who works all things after the counsel of His will,
Romans 8:29
For those whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brethren;
Romans 8:30
and these whom He predestined, He also called; and these whom He called, He also justified; and these whom He justified, He also glorified.
John 15:16
You did not choose Me but I chose you, and appointed you that you would go and bear fruit, and that your fruit would remain, so that whatever you ask of the Father in My name He may give to you.
John 6:37
All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will certainly not cast out.
Matthew 22:14
For many are called, but few are chosen.
2 Thessalonians 2:13
But we should always give thanks to God for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God has chosen you from the beginning for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and faith in the truth.
Revelation 7:9
After this I looked, and behold, a great multitude that no one could number, from every nation, from all tribes and peoples and languages, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed in white robes, with palm branches in their hands,
Most ppl can't even give u a definition of sin, they really don't understand how 2 critically think anymore. 🤔
this is exactly the opposite. They can't give you definition because they DO think critically. Sin as in the bible or sin as just doing something bad, which society doesn't approve or sin as your own moral code. It's the Bible fanatics who can't think critically and take whatever is in the Bible as the only truth without asking questions. Critical thinking is all about asking questions, whether something is true or not and finding arguments to prove one or the other.
I doubt you have talked to most people so how do you know… 🤔
Fundamentalism usually erodes critical thinking skills, and through that the dogma cements itself in the mind of the host
Wow you won the imagnary battle, have a metal
@@Vivi-vg9lxCritical thinking should have for it's culmination the solution of it's concerted effort, else it is a waste of time and energy, let alone the frustration that will ensue...
With this sort of question, I don’t deny what the Bible says. However, how I approach it is through a systematic fashion to explain the reasoning behind why the answer is what it is.
Whether they accept it or not is on them.
And you don't consider the answer as making your god out to be infinitely unjust ?
@@WeirdWonderful, no? How is God unjust if God provides His laws for everyone to understand and provides for them the ability to read it.
Those who might not know the Word are an exception and that all depends on their moral character. However, those that do know the Word are subject to it, whether they accept it or deny it.
@@MatthewChenault its unjust because the punishment is far heavier than the crime could ever be, assuming your particular take is that its either eternal punishment or eternal reward, with nothing in-between, like many others seem to. if its finite, then maybe, but also depends on many things besides knowing or not, such as the severity of the law broken, how many times was it broken, what were the consequences of it being broken and many others besides.
“If anyone causes one of these little ones-those who believe in me-to stumble, it would be better for them to have a large millstone hung around their neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea. Woe to the world because of the things that cause people to stumble! Such things must come, but woe to the person through whom they come!
_ Matthew 18: 6_7
"Not getting away with" and punishment are ethically distinct ideas that must not be conflated.
He lost me at "sin". He went from bad things deserve punishment to Salvation like jumping from A to Z and ignoring the rest
His argument is full of logical fallacies.
Bingo
When your heart is for God you will recognize the Truth and find eternal life. Sin keeps you from God and leads you to death.
I think he means
A. Bad things deserve punishment.
B. We all do bad things.
C. We all deserve punishment
D. There is no way out of the punishment we all deserve unless we have a pardon from the Judge (God).
E. That pardon comes in the form of Jesus who took the punishment for us by dying on the cross.
F. If we accept that pardon we are saved. If not we are doomed.
I struggle immensely with that but I think that's the gist of it. I guess you could say I want to believe but it just sounds so contrived and simplistic. Maybe I'm wrong. I don't know.
Krishna,
That's the beautiful thing about the gospel of Christ is that it really is simple at its core. There are some details that I believe you missed though that makes the gospel much more clearer. First it is not just "bad things" that are what deserve punishment here. God is the creator of all and the creator of us and because He is God out creator there is a standard in which He wants us to live, a moral law. We have broken this law, which has allowed out nature to become sinful, a nature that rebels against God and His ways and seperates us from Him. Because God is perfectly Holy, good and justice His response to our sinfulness must be punishment if not He wouldn't be thoe things. We all have sinned against God and deserve punishment. See it is more then just "bad things" it is throwing God's ways in His face.
You are correct there is no way we can fix our sin, our nature, or punishment ourselves. We are hopelessly doomed. But God being rich in mercy and love, and though we don't deserve it, providing a way for our nature's to be made new, for our sin to be forgiven, for us to be made right in the eyes of God, restored and redeemed, now and for all eternity. That was through the life, death and resurrection of Jesus Christ and only through Him, He is our Savior, our salvation and redeemer. You correctly stated taken the punishment we fully deserve.
God gives us the choice and freedom to choose to accept the gift of Christ and what He accomplished for us on the cross. It's the only choice in this life that truly matter, too surrender to Christ and follow Him or not. There are eternal consequences based on what we decide.
The details matter and make the gospel of Christ that much more beautiful, amazing and clear.
I pray this helped and that you will continue to ponder, consider these words and more importantly consider Jesus Christ.
It's amazing that Christians always fail to realize why this question makes them uncomfortable.
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@@skylarborsman5690 They know on some level that this tenet of their beliefs is not justice.
New Covenant Whole Gospel:
Let us now share the Old Testament Gospel found below with the whole world. On the road to Emmaus He said the Old Testament is about Him.
He is the very Word of God in John 1:1, 14. Awaken Church to this truth.
Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by
husband unto them, saith the LORD:
Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
Is the most important genealogy in the Bible found in Matthew 1:1 (Gal. 3:16)? Is God's Son the ultimate fulfillment of Israel (John 1:49)? Why has the modern Church done a pitiful job of sharing the Gospel with modern Orthodox Jews? Why would someone tell them they are God's chosen people and then fail to share the Gospel with them? Who is the seed of the woman promised in Genesis 3:15? Who is the "son" in Psalm 2? Who is the "suffering servant" of Isaiah 53? Who would fulfill the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34? Who would fulfill the timeline of Daniel chapter 9 before the second temple was destroyed? Why have we not heard this simple Old Testament Gospel preached on Christian television in the United States on a regular basis?
Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, man-made Bible doctrines fall apart.
Let us now learn to preach the whole Gospel until He comes back. The King of Israel is risen from the dead! (John 1:49, Acts 2:36)
Watch the UA-cam videos “The New Covenant” by Bob George, and David H.J. Gay.
@@SpotterVideo You have serious psychological issues.
Jesus and our Father in Heaven know what's in each of our hearts.
We live in one reality. Obviously people perceive reality differently. People have beliefs they actually think comport with reality.
Does the threat of prison stop people from committing crimes? We have lots of prisons. The threat of hell only scares people into certain behaviors, but it can not change their hearts. Fear and threats will never cultivate compassion and loving kindness.
Fear doesn't work that is true. However the Bible does not teach a burning hell. The wicked are destroyed according to scripture.
"These very ones will undergo the judicial punishment of everlasting destruction from before the Lord and from the glory of his strength"
2 Thessalonians 1:9
Quite the opposite, I think.
@@Pj-fm7oe Whoo-hoo, yep that really changed my mind! Oh... Sorry, no it did not in the slightest.
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Who are you? I was talking to someone else. I don't have a clue what you believe so why would I be interested in changing your mind?
@@Pj-fm7oe You realize you are on a public forum, right? You are talking to everyone and everyone can respond to your statements.
But hey - you do you - enjoy believing in a god that destroys people for their honest beliefs.
Isnt the justice system how we deal with guilty people?
When I was a child in the grips of catholicism, I asked questions that the nuns and others did not like. I was told "Don't ask questions." I said (silently) "Phooey on that". I divorced myself from religion (superstition, mumbo-jumbo, hoo-doo voodoo) on the spot.
Your faith should nothing to do with religion.
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I only saved your post and after work today I am going to listen to this post and consider what you have to say. I only have faith. I am not a scholar or philosopher but a Christian and not as knowledgeable as I should be however I will still entertain your question and see what I think about it. I am not making any claims as to making as to making things up.
that is a shameful thing to do to a young mind. I feel badly for you.
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James,
Thank You for the invitation and the idea that you would like to hear more from me. Thank You so much however I must decline the invitation as I am a married man with children and I am really enjoying taking the kids Turkey 🦃 hunting and then fishing 🎣 in June and in short I want every instant of their childhood to build memories and to have plenty of “Do you remember when” moments that I can. James all the best to you and I will say a prayer for you! God bless you!
@@jamesstumpff7774 Saved from what, again - sigh? Adam and Eve's general state of ill preparedness, to make 'choices' for us, perhaps?
Also, tell us later your view of Matthew 7:18 - and how broad the path for demented rebel angels, onto this world, was?
And saying you're a sinner is little better than saying you are mortal - or fallible. If infallibility could so easily and inevitably be stolen from us by two people with an apple, then I assume this is how we were basically meant to be.
My answer to contentious people is "I don't care if you go to hell. Believe whatever you want. Go argue with a brick wall if you need to argue with something. I tell you the truth, you can accept it or reject it, but your accepting or rejecting it does not change the truth."
That question doesn’t bother me. 😂 I guess it depends on how prepared a person is 💞
The question begs the question ... why would you want to stop Christians in their tracks? It's a fool's errand.
@@drivebyquipper well, why do you want to convince anyone of anything?
Truth.
@@hoodatdondar2664 Okay. What is the truth? Convince me.
Depends on how honest you are
@@drivebyquipper The truth if you were honest is that you don't know. Having faith in something is merely pretending to know that which you don't know. You have no interest in Truth only what makes you feel good. If what you believe is true, surely you can present to me some evidence that would convince me to hold the same belief?
Yet, there is a serious danger to answering someone's question by "rephrasing" it. Sure, great IF the rephrase does not CHANGE the question into something it never was in the first place. Watch for subtlety when anyone "rephrases" YOUR question--is the rephrased question still, your question or it is changed in a seemingly minor way, but actually turning it into a question....you never asked?
Well stated. Thnk you for your post. Peace.
May I submit that it is not potentially dangerous... But actually the most polite and courteous form of communication in debate...
@@jimhughes1070 of course we are assuming good intentions but quite often they are not...
@@oscarh1697 The initial question, the video is about, is already asked in bad intention or under false pretence.
The tactic here is to get rid of the bad intentions and show the other person why salvation is needed.
At 1:34 he admits to side stepping the issue. He does believe that, he just doesn't want to say so because it sounds bad, because it IS bad.
Oh yes, the "answer a question with another question" trick.
Presenting it as if it’s a some sort of new debate tactic too 😂
Jesus himself did this, so are you saying that it is unacceptable?
Yes.@@doug753
Absolutely , you know , like wen a secular " scientist" gets grilled on the longevity of comets☄️, and they get in their rescue box and pull out an imaginary comet generator
Greg - We used to talk when you showed up at KBRT before your show on Sunday afternoons. I was in the control room fielding the phone calls from listeners. We later ran into each other at Hope Chapel in Hermosa Beach when you spoke there. It is good to be reminded of the "Columbo Approach" since I am going out Sunday afternoons witnessing with a group from Calvary Chapel San Jose. I need to watch more of your videos to stay sharp.
Bob , keep up the good work. May we someday be named among the laborers. 🙏🏼🎶 So let’s go tell someone else about Jesus.
This guy is not that good at it. Because if the lawyer said," No"? And the answer should be "No" because there's no such person as a moral person. Because not all people who commits moral thing should be prosecuted? Even a Judge is not going to punish a person who committed a moral thing. If a person look at someone with a lustful thoughts, there's no judge in the world who would punish that person. Thinking of something bad is not as doing something bad. The problem with Christians is that they all are confused and been mislead by people like this guy. There's a gray area in ones interpretation of moral things. A person stealing food to survive is not question of moral, a person killing an enemy to survive is not a question or moral and all Christians know about this because they all for the killing of their enemy, they are all for the stealing of land as in Israel stealing land from the Palestinian, as in the fact that they are all advocate for the death penalty, and even they God they love so much also created these moral sins. Like sending the plague to kill all the innocent children in Egypt and the sending of the flood to kill all the innocent people of the world. So Christians are living in a fantasy world that were created by their ancestors to control them. That's all.
Something which has always puzzled me...How can anyone go to to places which don't exist...(heaven or hell)
At least your honest. What has convinced you that they don't exist?
@@doug753 As an 82 year old knowledgeable and lifetime astronomer, I question the entire idea of a God created universe. The Hubble 'Deep Field' photos of the late 90's revealed an estimated two trillion galaxies, each with hundreds of billions of stars.
So, where is God? It might be benificial for you to give a listen to Sam Harris, the late Carl Sagan and Christopher Hitchens.
Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
Does not the potter have power over the clay?
You exclaim the wonders of the universe and yet you deny willingly the hand that formed it. It is apparent that you will not ascribe to the Creator his due glory.
I understand that not all men have faith, but to give the words of men in place of the words of God shows me that you do not actually consider me to be capable of determining what is or isn't. This is really easy to determine, either your right or I'm right and soon enough we will both witness the unveiling of events which will prove beyond and doubt whether their is a God or not.
Have you ever pondered the duality of all things?
Good/evil, up/down, born/die, black/white, in/out,
There are laws of creation in place that de fie man's understanding, that shows how little man really understands. If we were to summarily cast aside these laws for the reason of lack of understanding and knowledge, what would the result be?, chaos?
You so wonderfully acknowledged the beauty of so many galaxies and this and that and you actually believe that its all there by chance? of course not!, anyone can see that there is such an order it is impossible for their to not be someone who has ordered it all according to exact dimensions and size and scope and substance.
Nay sir, you do err and that err has darkened your understanding.
I do not intend to insult or defame or anything bad to you, only that what you offer is to me only of the earthly and that not the best, whereas I say there is so much more, the heavenly as you so described partly and that which exists in the Ether
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@@blackholeentry3489all none believers . Sam Harris, just made a joke of himself on the subject of child sexual exploitation . Follow him at your own risk.
@@doug753 First you need to prove they exist, the one making the claims has the burden of proof.
Thank you for your approach
I honestly thought he was going to ask a question that would be so hard for Christians to answer, as if he just destroyed Christianity. But I was very well pleased.
A question cannot generally destroy a religion which is not founded on reason and evidence. The stuff is s essentially a cult where different dogmas run through the minds of the followers.
@@singed8853 You might enjoy “ The testimony of the evangelists”, a study of the gospels by a lawyer, according to the rules of evidence.
a cult? why does that matter if God's fake and we'll all vaporize?? @@singed8853
also, define 'cult'.
" a religion which is not founded on reason and evidence." sounds like the athiesm that many internet athiests have.
I beg to differ, I say that the Faith of Messiah has more reason and evidence then anything else period, it's just that so many refuse to accept the reality of that.
So the narrative becomes lack of reason or evidence because of the many.@@singed8853
@@singed8853The world's largest religion is a cult? Do you even know what the word cult means?
Also, the bible is still the most attested to document in History. Saying there is no proof is ridiculous and ignorant.
I Am So Grateful For This Enlightening Moment Of Truth & Clarity, It Allows Me The Honor Of Truth & Decency Which Is A Moment We All Need Because Look Where We Are While Knowing Where We Want To Be Eternally Instead🙏🏻
"I side stepped the issue", all religions answer to all questions.
I take my dogs to the dog park everyday (not raining). Today I saw a 9 month old dog at his first day in the park. He was apprehensive of what was going on and cautious of other dogs and people. But after a few minutes he ventured out to see other dogs and people and he went from cautious and apprehensive to happy. So I thought that God put people in this universe and we are like this pup coming to a dog park for the first time. We are apprehensive and cautious but God means for us to be happy and God gave us the rules to live by to be happy.
Who do you mean, then, @James Harvard ? And how happy did Exodus 21:20 make people? Also, what by default happened to many gay people in Christendom, after Matthew 5:18?
Also, per Romans 9:12 and 8:30, who is the 'us' you actually mean? And how many.
Is it an open ended list, or predestinated, instead?
And just ask a Spanish Jew in the 1500s whether they should be apprehensive or not, sometimes, too?
Beautifully put 🙂
Eh, idk. Life is pretty painful and not really happy at all, for some people. I think the point is to be a good person in spite of that. To use the negativity of the world to push you harder to be a good person. To turn the other cheek toward someone who does you wrong, to eat a loss and not cheat someone else, to get somewhere last and not cut in front. Make a sacrifice of yourself once a day and you will be on the right track.
LMAOOOOOO THIS IS INSANE
Wow, beautiful analogy! I once saw a story on the internet of a dog that was beaten and starved to death. Poor thing, but I guess that's what happens when you don't venture out enough. 100% deserved.
It's an easy question for Christians to answer ; "I'm not the yardstick by which others are judged, God is the only one that can judge. It's up to God if he saves you or me" The only reason it's "hard" for too many is simply because they DO set themselves up as yardsticks and foolishly believe God thinks exactly as they do.
Jesus said for us to judge righteously, so we are to judge.. we are not to condemn.. why do people confuse those 2 words.
Bingo! That old "It's not for us to judge" canard is the mark of either a new believer or a lukewarm one.
Jesus said we are to judge righteously. We are not to condemn.. that is for God to do
@@KBS117 It’s hilarious how Christian republicans lap up every lie from rightwing radio, Fox and all the other rightwingnut media. Those sources do nothing but bear false witness and judge others and tell massive lies. Christians lap up every lie like thirsty hyenas. Rightwing Christians are all hypocrites.
And not one Christian follows god’s 613 laws. Hell, I doubt if any rightwing Christian even knows there are 613 laws. And rightwing Christians couldn’t even name the Ten Commandments. And rightwing Christians don’t even read the Bible. If they did and if they were honest they’d reject Christianity and its psychopathic god and become atheists.
I’ve never met or heard of one rightwing Christian who was honest.
OMG there isn’t any god ffs!
Very well said! But now my question would be: which Jesus are we talking about ie before the Cross or after the Cross or both? Await your answer to that with great interest!!!!
There is only one true Christ, and he was prophesied to come in the Old Testament. If you have great interest in this subject, there has been much produced, not to mention the bible itself. The bible is a written history, proven by genealogies, not just some made up stories. The key is that you must know Christ, as savior, before you can rightly understand it, because you must have the Spirit of God within you, to see the light.
@@gordoncrawley5826I have answered you further down so please read it! At 86 y.o. I must have had finger trouble!
Bad things don't deserve punishment as much as the deserve being right. That includes doing justice to the wronged and reforming the sinner so they can do good in the future.
Eternal damnation doesn't really solve either of those problems. It doesn't help the person who was wronged, and it doesn't change the sinner.
Eternal damnation was never meant to help the wronged...and Fear of the Lord does change sinners, even Messiah said fear not those who kill the body but fear Him (God) who destroys both the body and the soul...
@@doug753 If He destroys the soul, then it isn't eternal
destroyed as in always perishing
So yes we are eternal beings, we live because He lives.@@benbrill7828
Can someone tell me why the question wasn't answered up-front?
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@@STRvideos Because the only way he can defend his religion is through verbal trickery, playing on others' emotions, and bad logic.
You know what? I was wondering the same thing.
Bevause he was wise and took the opportunity to witness while answering the question
@@STRvideos Because he needed to dishonestly reframe the question because deep down, he knows torture is immoral, and infinite torture is infinitely so, but his worldviews is predicated on ignoring that.
Mind blown! God bless!
Mind blown? 😂😂😂
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Well, yes, that one brain cell that was left in his head. All gone now, the brain said that "if you aren't going to use me, I'm outta here!"
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No, gullible belief in magic sky fairies is for the weak minded. 🤔
@@SilenceDogwood.
Creationists do exactly the same thing when they have irrefutable evidence that their crazy book is wrong. I thought they taught you these techniques in "gawd" school.
@@SilenceDogwood.
"a person who believes that the universe and living organisms originate from specific acts of divine creation, as in the biblical account."
You can't google for some reason?
Good comments and approach. One thing I would note though, is that if you belive in eternal conscious torment as the punishment it's a lot harder to explain that as being just or Christ as being as substitute. If you believe in death (annihilation) then it makes the direct answer easier and more just and the substituionary atonement of Christ's death absolutely fits. So the concept of burning forever in hell seems harsh because it's unbiblical and unjust, which is a large part of the reason many Christians can't answer directly and need to use this approach.
Hi Michael, for our response to the annihilation position, please see the below:
www.str.org/w/hell-interrupted-part-1
www.str.org/w/hell-interrupted-part-2
www.str.org/w/hell-interrupted-part-3
Where is the beginning of the presupposition?
But what you didn’t ask the guy is if people should be burned in hell for eternity for their sins. Eternal punishment for finite sins is a whole different question. And you deliberately didn’t phrase it this way because you knew that if you asked decent people should we get infinite torture and punishment for finite sins they would say no.
All our sins are committed against a infinate God. He offers us the free gift of salvation if we continually refuse to be forgiven telling God we dont want him. We dont want to be forgiven, he eventially grants us what we are asking for. If we tell him we dont want to be forgiven we are also saying we want this world to continue the way it is with murder and stealing and rape. Even if we dont commit all of those sins we are saying we want sin to continue. If in a court of law a person who raped and murdered many girls told the judge smiling that yes he did it and if you let him go he would continue, would you want him to ever get out of jail?? If you take a few seconds to murder a pregnamt lady to steal her money and they catch you should they only punish you for a few seconds cause thats how long it took you to commit the crime? Or if you saw that person and they admitted they like the way they are, and dont ever want to change ,would you put them in jail for life? What people dont understamd is everyone will have eternal life ,some with God some without. If you commit crime and dont have remorse and dont want to change even if offered a pardon.then just like a human judge that would sentance you to life in prison God also sentances you to life in prison. but your life is eternal. And if you refuse his free gift and tell him you dont want forgiveness than he wont forgive you.and in hell you will eternally be sinning against him .there are many reasons for eternal punishment but the main reason is you told him you dont want to be forgiven .i truly dont think anyone with a heart at all if somone brutally raped and killed somone you loved and in court he was offered a pardon and not only refused but said he would wish to continue this way if let go ,that you would want that person ever to be let out.
If you described the idea of Purgatory as going to prison for a while, maybe you would.
@@chrisoconnor4743 christ died for the sins of the world, it is a finished work purgatory is not biblical and it blasphemes the finished work of christ. his sacrifice is all sufficent for those who ask for the free gift he offers. The bible says it is appointed once for man to die then the judgement. If you continually tell God you dont want to be forgiven when you die you face Gods judgement. To be born again is to not only be forgiven but to be made a new creature in christ with a new heart and new spirit that desires to be like christ and follow him . God doesnt want any to perish but if you refuse the free gift, and are unrepentant and tell God you dont want to be changed, then according to christ himself you are condemned..any sin can be forgiven and he will make you new and grant you eternal life if you repent and place your faith in him not in yourself. If you deny this and tell him you dont want to be forgiven .and you dont want to change then he will send you away from his presence which is what you are asking him to do...all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God but christ suffered and died for what you did.. for what I did and offers you a free gift of salvatiion. dont refuse it or think you can earn your way to heven, or tell him what he suffered on the cross wasnt enough..his blood is prescious not like the blood of bulls and goats which could never take away sin. But only temporarily covered sin during old testament times..the gospel is the good news he paid it alll it is finished but we must repent , belive and recieve his free gift not spit at it.
anyone that REALLY thins people are torture FOREVER are the stupidest people walking around
Some actions have permanent consequences. For example, If a man gets drunk at a party, then crashes his car, killing himself or another person. His finite action, driving while intoxicated, led to horrible permanent consequences. If a person lives an unhealthy life style their body is slowly destroyed, and many times the damage cannot be undone. If a person cheats on a spouse, that spouse may divorce them. And no matter how much the cheater may want a second chance, they may never get one.
This is reality.
From a religious view point the concept is the same. If one corrupts and destroys the soul, the consequences can be final.
So basically a short version of Ray Comfort's method...
Does Ray Comfort get his answers in Genesis from Kent Hovind or Ken Hamm?
That's what I'd like to know...
I thought I was posting on the open, so to repeat. You're not answering the question. The question is does a person have to believe what you do to have salvation. Some religions say you must only believe and not accept obedience to be saved, some say you must accept obedience and be baptized into Christ, others say you must accept that Jesus was only a man, others you must accept one personality in the Godhead, others say you must accept the Trinity in order to receive salvation and so on and on.
Hell is made up by man to strike fear in people to keep them in check from sinning
"if they don't believe what you believe they are going to hell? He loves the sound of his own voice and the answer is "yes"
If I had a nickel for every time I heard the argument for Christianity I’d be more wealthy than the therapists who have people come to untangle the mess that the interpreters have caused.
We both be on a cruse linear going to Hawaii about now lol
Margarette? Where your parents, grandparents and great grandparents, Christians or Atheists
There is no argument, the Gospel is a message, accept it or reject it. But be sure, God is just and keeps His promises both for heaven and hell. You can say you do not believe in God, but that does not change anything, for his word is good, and He will perform.
@@gordoncrawley5826 agree with you but there actually are a lot of arguments for God
there are so much arguments for christianity you just don't bother noticing them
I am a beginner believer though was born a chatolic who never believed, but been watching tons of NDEs videos lately. One observation I have is that muslims and jews for example who had one all become christians once met with Christ or the Holy spirit on the other side but I heard no stories the other way around. Logic would say that there's no sin since we all born imperfect. My other obsevation is that there's also no free will since believers live their lives under threat of going to hell.
Any thoughts?
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I was expecting something more profound than vicarious redemption.
The “problem” Jesus “solved” is based on the strange assumption that God can’t forgive without someone being sacrificed, and that this God must punish one forever and ever unless you accept the horrifying sacrificial death that He demands. What a sad god. I grew up with this nonsense and it still makes me feel nauseous. My little two year old great nephew came up to me once and said, “Uncle Tom, did you know Jesus died for my sins?” That’s sad, and sick. This nonsense didn’t come from Jesus, but from Paul after he fell off his horse, knowing nothing of Jesus and his message of loving and caring for one another. If this “belief” somehow brings you closer to God, believe it. But from my experience, most people that do believe this are some of the most unkind, unthoughtful, and often the most racist folks I’ve ever met. I asked my Christian, racist dad once if Black folks will be in heaven. “Of course,” he said, “if they believe Jesus died for their sins. They’ll be in their part.” His heaven will be segregated. It’s a get out of hell free card, without any inner work or growth. By the way, if a judge does decide to grant someone a pardon, that judge isn’t going to make another innocent person take on that person’s punishment. He just pardons.
I suppose there’s really nothing a Christian, like myself, could say to you to change your mind. But since you posted this publicly, I guess I just feel like responding, lol cuz that’s my nature I suppose.
You’re right. Too many people who claim to follow Christ aren’t kind, charitable, or loving. They believe they checked off some spiritual box that allows them to boldly judge others, promote their own agendas, all because of they’re supposed “get out of hell free card”. I think people like that have missed the message of Christ (a lot of atheists would disagree with me and say the bible teaches hate, intolerance, and harshness. But I guess I don’t see the bible like that, lol which they would again say I’m wrong). This brings me to my next point(Christ’s Message) to what you were saying about the horrible sacrifice and God’s “demand” for it. God didn’t demand it. If, and I say “if” because I know you don’t believe and I can’t quantify to you what I do believe, so IF the punishment for sin is a spiritual death ( ie. the inability to be in the presence of God who the bible says is the source of life) and IF God is supposed to be this perfect being, how can he just pardon spiritual criminals? Wouldn’t we fire and lambast any judge in our own legal system who just pardons a rapist or a murderer? Our laws demand retribution. Why wouldn’t God’s?
The horrific nature of Christs death was not demanded by God. The horrific torture was implemented by twisted evil people at that time. And God didn’t demand the REAL sacrifice that Christ made for humanity, the spiritual separation from God. God didn’t demand it, the bible says Jesus willingly made that sacrifice. And that God rewarded his faithfulness by restoring Him to life, never to die again. And I think that any person that looks to that sacrifice as a pardon for their own sins and acts the way a lot of these “believers” do is a liar. Because the bible says “those who are forgiven much, will love much and those who are forgiven little will love little”. I know this most likely won’t change your beliefs. I guess I just wanted to stick up for the Christians like myself, who are def still very imperfect, but that our faith makes us love the world and try to be the best we can in it.
If only all judges acted this way, what a good and just world we would have!
I liked you comments and feel sad too because a 2 year old should be eating cookies and playing with puppies, not being told they are sinners.
@@GhostShooz Drefner. I’m bummed. I had responded to your big, long response to my big, long share with yet another big, long comment, and I just went to see if there was any further dialogue from you when I saw that my response to yours was not included here. I’m not going to try to rewrite it, concerned that after all the effort it will be not included again. I will though, as I had, include my email in case you see this and would like to dialogue with me. I’ll be honest, I find it unusual that a Christian is able to actually have a conversation without proselytizing, but you seem to have that ability, very unlike the guy in the video. So, Drefner, if you would like to have a conversation about all this stuff, get in touch and I’ll email my phone number to you. Please don’t respond if you just want a potential convert. I am not that person, but I am someone who loves and learns from a good spiritual conversation. Although I am not what one would consider a Christian, I am a very spiritual guy and a big fan of Jesus. Peace, Tom. childofgod54@icloud.com
Just because someone says that they are a Christian does mean that they are. Actions speak louder than words. Jesus said, the road is narrow and VERY FEW are those that find it. 2.2 BILLION people who called themselves "Christians" in todays age alone, is NOT "a few!" I accepted the lord 40 years ago ad have only met many FIVE people that were eerily saved. - Just last week, I reached out to a church for help and was reprimanded. I got an email response for one of the pastors woh told me that he knew all about me (from something that occurred 25 YEARS AGO when I was going through a rough time in my life and made some threats) and this pastors was not even on staff at the time. In fact ALL of the leadership at hat church at the time I originally went is not even employed there anymore. So this gut wa holding a GRUDGE against me! He also said many other things that reveled that they had me on their RADAR one my email came in when I signed uo to take a new comers meeting class, AND the head pastor was actually being deceptive in "welcoming me." Not everyone who says "Lord, Lord" will make into heaven! What you aid about Paul is actually not true.Jesus tells Paul in Acts 9: 15-16 to carry on his message. - Jesus actually IS the pardon for us because someone has to pay in Gods eyes, so Jesus actually told his Dad (God) "I'll do it," and came down to Earth and did so.
A book "Desire" by John Elredge helped me. Thank you for this clear ethic morals mash 🙌
That is so clever. Been following your apologetics for many years from Manhattan Beach, Ca. I have been in Carlsbad, S. D. Last saw you at a Carlsbad Cavary Chapel a few years ago. Are you still speaking at churches, or just digitally?
Thank you for all your faithfulness to keep teaching Christians how to answer and ask questions all these years. Keep it up brother♡
You can see Greg's speaking schedule here: www.str.org/events
God loves you unconditionally, but only under certain conditions.
No, no, no... He actually loves you/others enough to allow you/them to go to hell if that is what you/they truly want... If people have lived their lives wanting no part of God (or only wanting a relationship with Him on their terms), it would be unloving for Him to force them to spend an eternity with Him.
Right here, amongst all these video comments, are people who have said as much as that they don't believe in God, that they don't want anything to do with Him, that they walked away from Him, etc.. This is proof that you needn't look far to see examples of people whose own words indicate that they don't know and/or don't want to know God. Of course, it's their free choice to have that opinion.
If that seems too simple, picture yourself having to be the roommate of someone you just don't want to be around; maybe they are demanding, nosy, loud, selfish, etc., and say you have to be their roommate for a year. Very unappealing, right? Now multiply that misery times infinity (since it is generally believed that going to heaven is eternal/forever) and you can clearly the problem of God accepting everyone into heaven when not all want to be around Him. If such people are there, it might not feel so heavenly to Him anymore. I don't know what God thinks about such a scenario, but most people dislike being around those amongst whom they find themselves feeling unwanted.
So, if God brings these people who dislike/hate/distrust/etc. Him against their will to live in close proximity to Him forever, when they really don't want to be right there, what is He supposed to do? Create an additional "heaven," one devoid of His presence, for those who cannot tolerate His perfect heaven? He could do that, but calling it any sort of "heaven" would absurd, for it is entirely arguable that what makes heaven a perfect place is God's presence there, emanating love, comfort, a sense of belonging, ultimate fulfillment, blessings, etc.
But, for argument's sake, let's suppose He did create such an additional "heaven." In this place, not only would God not be there (because those he bought there would not want him around or want to deal with Him), but His fans wouldn't be there, either, because they'd want to be with Him in the "real heaven." So the only people there would be those who don't want anything to do with God.
Now imagine such a group of people left to their own devices for eternity, without any familiar laws, since - at least here in Western nations - laws are (or at least were) largely derived from Judeo-Christian mores/morals. If God lovingly chose to not subject these people to painful/disturbing reminders of Himself - let alone for eternity, He might very well exclude any sort of familiar rules/laws from this additional "heaven." As such, residents there would have complete freedom to make up their own rules. Anyone who recently died, would be newcomers in a place without presence of God or any recognizable reminders of Him. Again, from the loving motivation of not wanting to subject these people to reminders of their lives on Earth ,during which they had to tolerate mentions of God and others' beliefs in Him, perhaps, it would be a place thoughtfully designed to look nothing like Earth. Or, if it did, perhaps it would be dark, to spare people from visual reminders of anything related to God, including His various creations.
So God, and His biggest fans would not be there. And it might well have no recognizable rules/laws. And it might be very dark. After having people there for a few thousand years (according to literal reading of the Bible, the Earth is about 6.000 years old), who knows what sort of society would exist there? If it was totally un-influenced by God and any reminders of Him, such as the 10 Commandments, and the Bible and its teachings, it might not be that good. For example, since a law prohibiting murder and stealing would remind the people of God's 10 Commandments, God might spare them from such annoyances, and exclude such societal guides from this place.
As well, since the inhabitants would be the people who didn't want to deal with God or be introspective and willing consider the possibilities of the unknown, let alone the very possibility that the Bible could be true, one might expect that they wouldn't exactly value virtues such as kindness, self-sacrifice, generosity, humility, and so on.
My guess is that newcomers would be treated a lot like newly imprisoned inmates. And also reminiscent of prisons, there would be a "pecking order," or some sort of hierarchy, and lots of hazing for the newbies, so they'd learn pretty quickly that they were the little fish.
At some point, perhaps it would dawn on a few of the brighter ones that a "heaven" devoid of God or anything to do with Him, is, by logical necessity, essentially hell.
But this, while giving people what they think they want - or insist they have - is not necessary.
Just as you wouldn't want someone to enter your residence while despising and disrespecting you and your home, God has every right to say that we need to be spiritually cleaned up before entering into His Heaven (the real one).
Quite patiently, He spent over 1,500 years showing people that it was absurdly impossible for them to make (and keep) themselves spiritually clean enough to get into heaven by their own merit. He also gave these same people hundreds of "heads-ups" (aka prophecies) via 16 separate Old Testament prophets over many hundreds of years, that He was eventually going to send His own son to clean up the messes of those grateful enough to accept the One He sent to do the job.
To be saved, and fully granted an eternal place in heaven, they wouldn't even have to lift a finger to help!
They just had to demonstrate, from that point going forward, that Jesus was their Lord and Savior by having their lives changed enough to demonstrate that they really believed that. In turn, aside from eternal residence in heaven, they would also get all they would genuinely needed, unimaginable blessings on top of that, and never, ever, suffering again once they arrived in Heaven.
God sent His Son. Some accepted his offer of salvation, and some didn't.
The deal is this: If you want to spend eternity with God, in heaven, with all your needs and God-given desires fulfilled, and no more suffering after your time on Earth, and not going to hell, it's EASY: Genuinely accept God's son (Jesus Christ) as purchasing YOU from satan by his undeserved death on the cross, so you can be legally pardoned by God into His family and live forever with Him in heaven. Pretty simple, but you have to want it. While such grace is amazing to Christians, it's apparently either incomprehensible, intolerable, or otherwise unacceptable to many people. Some do all they can to ignore Him, and when that doesn't work, they try hard to disprove Him, despise Him, etc. You are free to do that, but ALL behaviors have some sort of consequence, and rejecting God or insisting you don't believe in Him is no different.
We act like 5 senses (all of which we are taught were developed entirely randomly through evolution) are sufficient to perceive enough to learn and then be able solve everything that needs to be learned/solved in order to fully know the universe.
For a question that stops atheists/evolutionists dead in their tracks is this: How do we know that it doesn't actually take 7, 19, or 42 different senses to perceive enough information from our world/universe in order to ultimately understand it and answer our most difficult questions about it (including our "God questions")?
The answer is, we don't.
The disciples told Jesus that he offended the Jews.
Jesus replied, Every plant my Father did not plant shall be plucked up by the roots.
If the world doesn't hate you as a Christian, let me remind you that the servant is not greater than his master. Jesus said if they hated me they will hate you also.
Woe unto you when all men shall speak well of you Lk6:26.
Grace and Peace.
How do you find out if the world hates you?
@@roybuckle7576 Because the book says it lol
@@roybuckle7576 When you speak the truth of God my brother, the world will hate you. Look at all the comments, hello.
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[12]Indeed, all who desire to live godly in Christ Jesus will be persecuted.
2 Timothy 3:12 Nasb
Lol. That's what I do when I talk to people about Jesus. The sequential question method. But it works both ways. :D
In pedagogy it's referred to as the socratic approach to teaching.
@Uploading Truth I dunno. Even at 5 years old we know the moral of the 3 little pigs when the brick house remains standing without critical thinking. Some of it is understanding bricks, some of it is trusting the authority that says bricks aren't blown down. Can we understand the parable of a house on the sand without analyzing it any more than a 5 year old?
In later years we'll try to tease parables for more content, but the basics remain, and even the mentally impaired can 'get' it. Maybe the wise can miss the point entirely.
@Uploading Truth Not exactly. In the 3 pigs example, children don't entirely use critical thinking when they hear the story, they trust authority that this brick house holds better than the other houses. When we're older and know what bricks ARE, then we see the rationale behind the assertion, but not necessary when we believe 'like a little child'. And while adults despise the milk when there's meat, Jesus said no one enters unless their belief is like a little child.
As for the remark about teasing parables, that's another situation entirely in my argument, tho I didn't state it plainly. It's usually adult activity separate from the 'like a little child', because adults get bored with the surface house on sand story and seek to tease it apart to find more meaning in it. We start to go to the Greek and Hebrew word origins and get out the Concordance for other places those words were used, teasing meaning from those contexts, too. That's critical thinking, and I didn't say it was inferior, or not critical thinking, but that it's not essential to hearing or understanding a parable. Personally, I like critical thinking, but I also understand it can strangle a childlike faith. This whole ARGUMENT is critical thinking, but it's not about parable as much as what we want to do with them.
People who happen to like critical thinking want to use it everywhere and then tend to go on to assert it MUST be used everywhere. I see it most in so-called Apologetics which seeks to creates believers by brain not the Holy Spirit. I happen to like apologetics, but no one I know has been saved with it. Prayer for their salvation has been more effective. But Jesus understood not everything about His word is about the brain. Sometimes it's just trust and the heart, otherwise the mentally impaired or morally weak could not come to Him in strength of just trust. The wise would be foolish and the foolish wise. We are in that between world, not knowing we only understand a fraction of what He meant - even with critical thinking - a method which both expands and truncates what's there in the Spirit. That the Word CAN be expanded and truncated like that is one of the mysterious and wonderful features of Scripture.
I'm not technically disagreeing with you. We're just talking.
i@Uploading Truth Not sure it's contradiction as much as ineffectual. I like to read apologetics, it has its good points, but it tends to mostly convince people who really didn't need any convincing to begin with. The real Faith comes from hearing and believing. Convincing comes later. Kinda like falling in love with anyone. We desire and make it a point to be around someone more and more, and from there we build the bond. I can't say I've seen anyone come to Christ with a logical argument, or fall in love that way either.
Ray Comfort approves this message! Very encouraging message friend! Had a friend ask me this question closely related to what Mr. Chopra asked you. Very intelligent question!! I responded with, "Which keeps you alive and from dying of poison? Me telling you about the antidote or not telling you?" Laughingly he said, telling me. I told him "no, trick question! Me telling you and you taking it."
I need to right this down! Wisdom, Ray Comfort!
It's best to call out loaded questions when someone tries to squeeze a presupposition in the middle of it. Sometimes the answer is not "yes" or "no", but rather "you asked the question incorrectly." This was recognized some Asian cultures where the three possible answers were "yes", "no", and "ko" -- the 'ko' implying something similar about the question being phrased in a loaded and threatening way and thus doesn't deserve an affirming or descending answer.
Don’t accept false or fallacious propositions
It’s not a loaded question. So many Christians believe that we deserve to be tortured for eternity just for being born and you expect us not to be absolutely insulted.
@@Sage1Million I mean, there would be a perfect example of squeezing a presupposition into a doctrine and then being insulted by that very presupposition you added. The Bible does not teach that man is condemned because he was born. And so if you asked the question "Why does Christianity teach that we go to hell because we're born" the answer would be you asked the question wrong.
@@JM-de2gh Yeah, but it does effectively say that, you are just mincing words to make your position look better than it actually is. While it is true that there are many interpretations of hell among Christians, the dominant one is eternal conscious torment. You get this punishment because God gave you a nature you cannot control leading to sin.
@@Therealgrillglove But you just added the same presupposition that the other guy did. The federal headship of Adam does not equal "God gave you a [fallen] nature". You charge God with evil in your philosophical system, but you are starting with a wrong and unbiblical presupposition: you think federal headship is evil. Christians agree with God that it is not. That's the important difference in our starting point.
What most people do not understand about being a Christian is that we are messengers. It is our responsibility to deliver the message, not to decide who accepts or rejects that message
Perry, you hit the mark. 🎯 Now let’s go tell someone else about Jesus . 🙏🏼🎶 Here we go ! Are you in ?
Each bad deed is not the same. There is a complexity in how to deal with and apply consequences to those deeds.
Yes my miscarriages child did soooo much to offend god
@@goofiestmold3151 I think I hear you saying that a miscarriage is not just. I agree.
Just tell them the truth. The truth always hurt and offend otherwise you know who you will answer to.
YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!!!
I'd be more carefull when using the word 'always' in this context.
No. That is borderline legalism and legalism is very unloving,. controlling, and is saying "You offend me."
This isn't such a difficult question. I have another I'm struggling with at age 54. Do Christians believe they are superior to non believers? Or are they human 1st and Christian 2nd. What is the order they see things?
Can anyone help?
Hi Al. What do you mean by "superior"? We at STR certainly believe that all humans have inherent value because we are made in the image of God, and this should motivate Christians to act in love. It does not, however, overrule the gospel-that is, the truths we find in the Bible, particularly that there is only one way to salvation: trust and belief in Jesus Christ.
We invite you to call in to our weekly broadcast to discuss your thoughts with Greg Koukl. He'd love to hear from you. Or you can submit an #STRask or Open Mic question. Visit www.str.org/broadcast for details.
@@STRvideos Many thanks for your reply. I'll be brief.
The context for this is I have been looking at how non believers are seen by different religions. Probably having something to do with what's going on in the middle east.
Jews, it seems, believe they are chosen. (I kind of knew this but never spent much time thinking about the implications.) Therefore the rest of us are a little less then equal to them. Muslims, that everyone is born a muslin and later chooses to deny god, again making them different and one would imagine, better. Christians also have a belief that god gave them life and that non christians ought to somehow get on the good side of god as they themselves are. To save themselves.
None of them APPEAR to think that being born of womankind and living a moral life is enough. Which MUST effect every conversation between believer/non believer. Instead of looking us straight in the eye they are, in effect, looking down their noses at us. But we seldom hear this actually articulated by the religious UP FRONT in an honest way. No muslim, for instance, ever told me I SEE YOU AS SOMEONE WHO'S MADE THE UNACCEPTABLE CHOICE OF DENYING GOD. And no jew comes right out and says LOOK. YOU ARE NOT, NOR CAN YOU EVER BE ONE OF US CHOSEN. Its all hidden. There seems to be no concept of honesty or equity in this.
Am I right as far as your religion is concerned? Am I as good as you?
Hi again Al. Thanks for the brief reply. Unfortunately, I can only say so much as the social media manager. If you want a more complete answer or conversation, you will have to call in to the broadcast. I will respond to your comments, though.
Consider what Jews were and Christians are chosen for... mainly to represent God and be a light to others (for Christians, that includes sharing the gospel). Of course, we can't speak with authority on how other religions view "non-believers." But at the core of the Christian worldview is the reality of man's sinful nature, something we all share and that only Jesus can save us from. It's not about getting on the good side of God "as we ourselves are"-which implies Christians care only either about being correct and getting others to join in agreement with their views or about following rules and working our way to Heaven. According to the Bible, no one is "enough." That's the whole point. We cannot "save ourselves"-only Christ saves.
If our worldview is true, and we wish to love others, it would be unloving for us to turn a blind eye to false views in the name of tolerance and kindness. Sadly, there are those who do "look down" at others. Many such professing believers are legalists. Some may just be proud or have difficulty controlling their emotions in a heated conversation. But if we are to be consistent with the biblical worldview, we must recognize that we, too, "once were disobedient to God" (Romans 11), "once were foolish ourselves, disobedient, deceived, enslaved to various lusts and pleasures, spending our life in malice and envy, hateful, hating one another" (Titus 3:3), and this should bring a certain amount of humility.
@@STRvideos Wow. Thats a long answer. Thank you very much for it. I will make a cup of coffee first. I understand about the social media thing. Many thanks.
It’s about as brief as your reply was. 😆
Praise The Lord!
Which Lord? Baal means lord in Hebrew, so I have to assume that's who you're talking about.
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Amen ! Praise the Lord ! The unbeliever in his love for sin , has no lord , but himself. They would not recognize mercy and grace if Jesus himself was standing in front of them. That’s why we present our arguments, but there are some who are not interested in Good answers; they are only interested in arguing. Psalm 103:1-5 🙏🏼🎶🪖
I'm genuinely curious what your response would be to this answer of the first question: "do you think people who commit moral crimes aught to be punished?" Yes. But just because I think they should be punished, doesn't mean they will be. Many people get away with their crimes unpunished
You have a good question. By the way I'm on board with Koukl (just so you know where I am coming from). One of the huge points of the Bible is that God is omniscient. A holy God. A just God. A true God. A perfect God ... MUST punish all bad/crimes/sin. While people here on earth cannot prove certain things or lack the means of enforcing some earthly justice, the God who is also omnipotent can and does when that person dies, exits the body and faces Him in eternity (if their sins are somehow not removed or taken out of the way ... they are taken out of the way by the sinner repenting of their sin (repentance toward God) and believing in His Son (faith in our Lord Jesus Chrish), whom he set forth as a perfect offering, the only one that can truly satisfy His Holiness and absorb His wrath).
At the risk of seeming to show off (or seem intellectual), I would like to challenge you with a very deep thought. Have you heard of FM radio? FM = frequency modulation. That's where some baseband signal (e.g. a recording of a voice or live voice) that is limited to say, 10 Khz range, is modulated and put on a high frequency carrier. Let's say 78 MHz, which is easily transmitted via a manageably sized antenna. The original voice frequency range would require an antenna the size of the Empire State building (transmit and receive). That's one of the reasons someone invented FM. Using a 78 MHz pure sine wave at the receiver, the FM can be de-modulated and the original voice signal recovered. Voila, you have transmitted someone's voice from here in the world to there, with very little delay!
So what does that have to do with anything? Many men commit sins and then "hide" those sins on a high frequency carrier, let's say 89.21483007892 MHz. To prove what they did, first you have to know what frequency they put their sins on. You have to know it EXACLY (in the purest mathematical sense, in reality there is some tolerance). Then you need the right demodulation scheme to recover and see what exactly they did. In the book of Revelation, the Scripture says that those who are not found in Christ will stand at a White Throne judgement seat, where all their sins will become obvious in light of Gods total and absolute perfection. White Light. The imagery is purity, clarity, perfection. Do you know what makes white light? True white light consists of light at ALL frequencies, including 89.21483007892 MHz. Demodulation at the exact carrier frequency will be performed, their sin recovered and presented back to them. They will know they are guilty and they will know they have been caught. They will know that their judgment is just. They will have done things they never wanted anyone else to do to them. But they were perfectly willing to dish it out, hide it and let other people bear the brunt.
God, in mercy, pleading with man to be reconciled to Himself, has made the perfect offering in Christ. He has made a way for sins to be taken out of the way and to face Him as Savior, not as Judge.
I would first ask what do you mean by moral crimes? Also, you are correct people get away with crimes unpunished all the time but if the God if the Bible is true then they are only getting away from their crimes for a short period. We are alive for a maximum of 120 years most will die well before their 90s. We are dead for a really really long time. It is in this dead time that their crimes will be paid for. The question is who is going to pay for it?
@@jamesstumpff7774 Is it possibly because they did not understand the gift, or see it as free?
Heck you cannot even get all Abrahamic believers to agree on the same definition of Mossiach, or what he'd be expected to do.
Not much precedent of the title meaning a divine god-man, for one. Plus major expectations of total fulfilments in one life time.
And on a sliding scale, what were 70,000 men, and possibly a good number of women too, RESPONSIBLE for in 2 Samuel 24, and 1 Chronicles 21?
After King David's hasty, possibly unmarked by ceremonial sacrifice - census?
Regardless of whoever inspired the wretched thing.
But hey, the 'path is narrow and few may find it' and all was 'predestinated before the beginning of the world' - eh.
Maybe He gets enjoyment out of making most into vessels of dishonor or disposal?
I wouldn't know, without an answer to the census debacle. Would barely know where to start.
Jesus did
But not for long that is his point
The guy at the bookstore should said, it depends on how bad was the thing they did. All wrong deeds don’t deserve going to hell for eternity.
All bad deeds against the Almighty ETERNAL creator do, and that is why he wrote the bible for us, sent his prophets and apostles and Jesus to inform us of how things actually work, not the manipulation tactics that weak and pitiful limited man tries to spin things to their own destruction and shipwreck.
the wages of sin is death, not torture.
@@GoddessTier Who in the hell is Jebus?
@@dwashington1333 The wages of sin is death, yes. But the word death here refers to eternal death, a separation from God in the lake of fire.
@@HarpsDad22 yes I agree but the Lake of Fire is not a literal fire. You can't throw death and hell into a literal fire
Very interesting. I'm a Christian and its an interesting point that there are tribes etc who do not know about God. What does that mean? They haven't had access to a Bible or literature on the subject. Would they be blameless of sin because they didn't know of God's existence, I think so because if you are unaware of something then how can you be held responsible. Good point though.😊
The image if the Judge stepping down to be persecuted is beautiful. Thank you.
According to any law there's no such thing as a judge stepping down to take the sentence for the "guilty" perpetrator. The law punishes and judges the law breaker. The judge has to break the law himself and judged separately from the other perpetrator. No pardoning. It's a flawed analogy that doesn't apply in real life.