Why 7.5" AR-15's Are More Accurate Than You Think
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I been running a 7.5 AR for 18+ years as my primary truck gun. I don’t over think it.
Boom!
You might as well write a book at this point because you are the only one around teaching the virtues of the 7.5 I GET DIBS ON THE FIRST PRE-ORDER !
I run 7.5 for truck, car and home defense. It does everything I want and is truly very accurate as you’ve shown. I’m subscribed! Excellent presentation!
I like 7.5. It's just a specific use rifle. But for what it can do. It does well.
Waterproof 22=5.7x28. Now if only it could cost the same amount as 22LR. Yay for short ARs. Enjoying the 7.5” content.
5.7 has problems compared to 5.56. For one, the shoulder angle lends itself to pressure problems. It's not a suitable 5.56 replacement
@@keres993no one is saying it is. more like saying its a replacement for .22lr in defensive or tactical situation where you dont need or cant use a full sized rifle.
@@mtnbound2764 9mm
The blast going across the grass in the opening shots was impressive.
Ordered a sling and should be getting it today. I was pleasantly surprised at how quickly it shipped considering you hand make them. Great content as always. You're making me want to go out and build a 7.5. Thanks for what you do and may God richly bless you!
You're getting your sling quickly because I make slings every day. And I do mean, EVERY day.
So far, I'm roughly 300 rounds into my .300 BLK Sig Rattler without any hiccups. I'm still amazed at the accuracy out of such a small platform (5.5" barrel). I was dinging steel standing freehand at 100 yards as well as prone supported (mag as monopod) at 120 yards.
As far as 5.56, my MK18 is my do-it-all platform. Love that thing!
As promised, I'll update you once I have a lot more rounds through the Rattler (roughly 1,000ish).
Loving these 7.5" videos, sir!
I'm curious to see how it ages.
@Tier1Citizen I'll definitely keep you posted!
The least amount of barrel whip of any length. You are correct about the accuracy. Great stuff, thanks.
I love my 8.5” AR, idk why people call them inaccurate,when shooting 100 and in that gun is probably my most accurate rifle. I ended up swapping it out for a flux raider with 147gr hst loaded to +p. It’s just a smaller package i can take anywhere i want for the most part, I’m losing a little performance but picking up a lot of concealability.
First time out with an 8" here a couple weeks back & a simple Sig Romeo I embarrassingly did better with that vs a 16" I had out the other day working to get a scope dialed in. Certainly a fun gun to shoot 👍
@@itsamk18-ish I keep a 7.5 inch ar but just got a flux Raider 365. Absolutely love it. Can’t beat the size and ability to carry literally anywhere. I carry in a sling bag but some folks actually carry IWB.
Just got my third sling today (Nov 8, 2023), OD Green this time instead of charcoal. Changing out all my Ferro Concepts Slingster slings.
Would love to go to a class taught by you on your sling useage because normal manipulation is different from all I’ve seen with adjustable slider slings.
I miss when my glasses corrected to 20/10, I need new ones since this Rx is 3 years old
Hopefully I'll have the overland course fully drivable soon and I will be offering it as a class.
I totally understand and agree with most of your perspective on the 7.5" ar. for me i just cant help but think that a few more inches is worth the extra velocity. enjoyed the video as usual!
Fair enough!
The issue is less velocity and more being compact.
I have a law folding AR with the ARIC bolt in 11.5 and a honey badger braced AR in 300bk in a 7.5.
Bar none the 300bk is my travel go to. I can use it and maneuver it so much easier in my vehicle and stow it in a travel bag or backpack much easier.
I’ve also hit target at 300yrds with it.
I even built a 556 copy upper for this set up and have hit 300 to 400yrd targets.
I use the 556 7.5 as a travel gun and I can go in and out of hotel’s comfortably without some long bag.
The issue of velocity, I’ll ask you. Would you like to be hit with a 556 at 150yrds out of a 7.5 barrel? How do you think someone would act or change their behavior? It’s a travel gun, not a end of the world combat gun.
Context matters.
@@freedomsglory1 that arguement of " would you like to be hit with a 5.56 from a 7.5" is silly.. why not use a .22lr then? i dont want to get hit by that either... id stick with the .300blk for the 7.5". but hey you got options! stay strapped!
@@mtnbound2764that argument goes both ways.
There’s always a superior option, why not use a 20” 308 AR10?
Eh? Eh?
The short barrel AR velocity argument is a silly one.
It comes from the number crunchers on the Internet more then the practical applications guys.
Remember a 7.5 AR in 556 is still doing better damage then a 9mm.
Again, context and application matter.
@@freedomsglory1we agree. carry on
I edc my 7.5 300 AAC in my truck everyday and train with it way more than any of my other weapons very dependable and accurate enough to get the job done. Totally under rated weapons
I hear you. I just acquired a Sig Rattler in .300 BLK, and I'm 300ish rounds into it. I love it!
Yes thank you thank you thank you for addressing all the false information that’s been spread over the years about the 7.5. Looking forward to series !!!!!
Glad it was helpful!
I have a spikes tactical lower, and rock river arms everything else. 7.5 inch. Its cool!!!
RMR: I did not know that. Thanks.
Your info and advice is much appreciated! What type muzzle break do you recommend with the 7.5"? I personally haven't had much luck with oem and apollo, so loud and violent, spitting powder right into support arm. Thank you Abner for doing what you are doing!
Take a look at the Noveske KX3 linear compensator (aka "Flaming Pig"). I've run one and it's awesome.
I suggest to folks to look at this one: kakindustry.com/micro-fluted-slimline-flash-can
While I'm not interested in the ar platform... you've really got me rethinking the purchase of the galil ace 8.5"
IWI makes Extremely reliable rifles , pistols , and Shotguns
A lot of good information as always Abner. My POU led to choosing a 10.5” barrel. Optic and BUIs are zeroed to 50m, which means I aim about 1” to 1.5” above target inside home ranges.
Like any other gun takes practice,practice,and more practice!
Looking forward to the 7.5 videos.
I just need "minute of asshoe" for anything within 500m.
I have been trying to find the best exspanding 223 ammo for my 7.5 if I could find some mono core like the gorilla 300 blackout for 223 that would be the best self defense ammo
BTW, love my KOMPs! Since you mentioned that you're no longer building uppers, can we get a build series, highlighting the important things when building an upper? Also, 12 gauge T1C standards? Thanks for another great video!
Here you go. This is me building my MK18. Everything you need to know for building a blaster is here: ua-cam.com/users/videoch_z2Gxf7fs
@@Tier1Citizen Perfect... Thank you!
What are your feelings about running a can that has no barrel restrictions on a 7.5?
Rock it! Just be careful not to fill it with unburned powder. I blew up a can many years ago, doing that. It detonated and blew out a baffle and the end cap. It was spicy!
@@Tier1Citizen What about periodically to a 20 in to clean out ?
Great information
Glad it was helpful!
I own a bunch of SBR's rifles, subguns and handguns, but for AR's my shortest would be my 2 LWRC PDW's with 8.5 in barrels. I run them with Surefire warcomps to use with Socom SB cans or their blast cans. Agreed short AR's are accurate enough, but the blast and concussion is huge. I never run even 10in AR's or rifes without a can or blast can. Unlike my say my Mp5 the 5.56 round is pretty uncomfortable to shoot without a suppressor or blast can on a SBR.
I watched a lot of videos on 7.5inch , it works and works well.
Just out of curiosity. Have you ever “shot out” a 7.5 barrel? And if so, how many rounds did it last before you started to notice problems.
I’m guessing you’d burn out the gas port before you ever wear out the bore.
I've never shot one out.
I am very interested in a 7.5” but i have a Dumb question, I’ve trained next to guys running 9” cherry bombs and with active earPro (I should have doubled up had I known better). I left concussed. Is there a way to build a 7.5” and minimize the noise? Obviously a can would be the solution. (2nd question, any reason not to run a 3DP type lightweight can compressor style?)
I too have issues running a 7.5" for extended fire. This one is bearable with my muzzle device on it. However, a more dedicated, single baffle muzzle device would be ideal.
check out blast forwarding devices. or the blast shield type that screws on over a muzzle device. you would want to confirm with the mfg of any suppressor if its rated for 7.5" 5.56 .
@@Tier1Citizen thank you!
@@mtnbound2764 thanks!
Yup
7.5” is kinda of where the limit is in confined spaces. Thinking traveling and concealing. A 7.5” can be carried, maneuvered.,and deployed a bit easier/faster at times. I am finding that it’s a very handy niche and quite fun.
I think people who have not followed the previous videos will miss the part that this setup is for a specific purpose and not for going to war or a shtf scenario.
Do keep making 7.5” videos lol. I think I’m going to take mine to a class soon
10.3" is the lower limit if we're talking about 5.56. A 7.5" makes sense for 300blk and a few other cartridges, but 5.56 that short isn't cut out for anything serious. Maybe for a range toy, content, etc.
@@KeepTheGates you’re missing the point of the videos and exactly what I’m saying.
@KeepTheGates Please define "anything serious" and "range toy."
Do you see similar performance out of a 7.5 .300blk? Short package with 30 cal bullet advantage.
Obviously the 300BLK is better. This is a viable alternative.
.300blk is 100% better out of a 7.5" barrel when it comes to terminal performance. however, the main benefit to 5.56 is ammo availability and compatibility
Yup!
YES
Absolutely love my 7.5 ar. I find myself playing with it just as much as the Glock 19x mos 👌🏼
They're loud but they're fun.
What are your thoughts on muzzle brakes for combat use?
NO. thats my take. a Flash hider is much better im my opinion. the concussion from Brakes is un necessarily harsh on the shooter and those around you. and with a 5.56, you really dont need the recoil reduction that is the purpose of a brake.
@@mtnbound2764you do know Abner designed the cookie cutter brake right?
I also agree with mtnbound. That's a big fat NO imo. You go from having an already loud gun with a big fireball to having a handheld flash bang.
@@hardlylivin6602repeating flashbang!
@@boygonewhoopdataZZ no, no it doesnt. unless its upside down!
What happened to your non-battery Trijicon? Abner- why did you switch?
That’s a great question 🙋♂️
Think he runs it on his G17
I moved it over to handgun for some testing. I need to move it back, that thing rocks. I have two of them and sometimes have to allocate them for other uses.
Great video. Question, I'm going to be building a 7.5" AR pistol. Do you prefer 556 or 300 blackout? Thx
Here is your answer: ua-cam.com/users/videoGQbMsA7kz54
Whts tht build gd brtha? Good vid
I have no idea what you are asking.
@@Tier1Citizen your ar pistol, is it a custom build, or what's the manufacturer?
I built it myself. I am actually selling it. If you are interested, send me an email at tier1citizen@gmail.com
Here is the listing
tier1citizen.com/shop/ols/products/tier-1-citizen-75-ar-15-pistol-with-sba4
When are your uppers going to be back in stock I thought of doing a honey badger build but I would rather have your upper please let me know
For the time being I am not building anything. Good components are really hard to come by and it is a major hassle to fight with manufacturers about what they're turning out.
Is this the same 7.5 that wore the mini ACOG before?
It is.
Accuracy isn't the issue. How do you reconcile poor ballistics in comparison to a marginally longer 10.3 or 11.5 system?
Ballistics are a talking point that has little relevance to anyone other than ballisticians. Those who understand the 7.5" know that this weapon is about defeating armor and putting holes where holes don't belong.
@Tier1Citizen Akin to accuracy, I'm not concerned about its external ballistics. It will fly a long ways. I'm more concerned with terminal effects. Holes are fine. If you're clocking in under 2200 fps, you're getting into territory where the 55gr bullets may not deliver the performance they were designed for, and some open tip rounds begin suffering, too. You also start getting into the realm of many levels of armor stopping them wholesale at those lower velocities. It's not just about accuracy.
At 75 yards I have pierced body armor with M193 and blown out holes in pumpkins and watermelons big enough to put my fist into. I also know that PSD teams choose 7.5" SBRs because they are controllable and effective on vehicles, flesh, and body armor.
What's your opinions on suppressors for these shorter barrels?
They're a good idea if you have the correct can. However, keep in mind that the can will eventually fill up with unburned powder and be an explosion hazard.
I can’t believe they sell any of those red dots at that price. Insane
I keep getting told by those I ask I shouldn't go any lower that 13.5" barrel length... is this a bias on their part or is ther some validity to not going as short as 7.5" barrel length? I'm totally confused by all this
It's born of misinformation about the 7.5" shorties.
@@Tier1Citizen Thank you for responding... After watching your videos, I've been drawn more to 7.5" - 8.5" barrel length. Biggest problem now is trying to find a brace for my build.
@@Tier1Citizen based on your videos I ordered a 7.5" completed upper from PSA as well as a pistol buffer tube. I dont' want to deal with the SBR/Tax stamp garbage especially here in the far left state of Oregon. I have a right shoulder injury that keeps me from doing any drills with my handguns or my 16" carbine and I'm hoping the shorter firearm with less mass will allow me to get back in the game...
Welp you've sold me, where can I buy one of those Comps 😂 I would absolutely buy one
I am not currently making them.
U like short rifles? Me too!! You should check out cmmg dissent!
What chest rig are you using in this video?
First Spear SICR 6/12
Can I run a carbine buffer on a 7.5 in barrel?
I would suggest something a bit heavier.
I personally don’t like any 5.56 below 10.3, and only tolerate a 10.3 because it’s “the” length for a MK18 build. Would prefer and 11.5 or 12.5 truthfully.
Suppressed 10.5” for me. I’m not arguing with other POUs, as they are just as valid as my choice. Depends on what you want from your AR.
Hard agree. Any 5.56 setup less than 10.3 is dumb IMO.
7.5 inch crew 🎉
Barrel length effects velocity not accuracy.
Incorrect! It effects both, in a big way.
New sub here. Gotta love it 💪
Welcome aboard!
I can shed a 12 inch target at 200 with a red dot on an 8 inch. Accuracy isn't a problem
Yep, and yet, most people out there think that you can't hit anything past 50 feet, with a 7.5" rifle. When I was in my twenties, I remember reading an article by some gun magazine writer who said, that by the time a bullet is 10 feet out of a 7.5" barrel, it is already tumbling. There are a lot of myths about these rifles.
Ewww I just don’t like em
Yes sir
Got mine a few days ago luv it🫡