Interesting reticle choice. Ive been solely red dot on pistol for about 7 years now. Never looked at those trijicon triangle dots, I'll check one out next time I'm at the shop.
I had the Micro Roni, sold it. Why ? I would not hold the zero, and there is no way for the gun to vent heat and debris. After a session with moderate use the slide cooks and the gun gets filthy! I added a 19MOS slide and added a red dot it either runs on my fab defense cobra or the recover tactical 2020. I tried the UR20 from recover tactical and it is garbage for the reasons you just clearly explained. Recover tactical is trying again with their glass breaker GB20 ? This will also fail. As the PDW market continues to grow, the marketeers are going to continue to pedal tacticool trash. Your system works all day and every day!
So true. I'm essentially a rookie shooting a handgun. However what you said at 4:50 is true for me. I took License to Carry class here in Texas and first round used fmj's. Eghhhh! Made a milk jug look small. I then switched to Rem HTP hollowpoints... night & day difference. Hole touching hole.
Imagine what it's like for me when I go to a training class and an instructor says something that I have never once heard before. That happened at a class that I recently attended. I remember thinking to myself "73 classes under my belt and I've never heard this before."
Do you agree the same for the Recover Tactical 20/20? I know you have suggested it in the past. Have you changed your mind on it? I've considered to get one recently and want to know if your opinion has changed.
Fascinating.. Makes perfect sense to me. Question I would have for you is what about adapter sights like the recover 20/20 has. So as you know the 20/20 has a plastic adapter that screws on to the frame of the slide and its a combo charging handle and square sight I think that's what its called. It does not have a red dot and I have to use the regular glock sights to aim. What's your take on that one. I want to use the 20/20 as a PDW/truck gun.
When using the 20/20 you have to really scrunch your neck and shoulders to get down low enough to look at the pistol sights. I would argue that having a red dot mounted on your slide is a non negotiable - it is a must have. I wish they would put a steeper decline on the brace of the 20/20 this would give you a better shoulder feel/ eye & sight alignment
I tend to say words the easy way rather than the way most people do. For example I say the word "Police" as Puhleece rather than Poe-leece which is how the majority of people here in the south say it. I also say the word Femoral as it's spelled rather than Fuh-moral which is how I here it always said.
Flux raider for the win! The p320 is a much better candidate for pdw type “chassis” as the trigger pack is the firearm. So they can make a grip module with a brace/stock and you just drop in the trigger and slide. Pdw philosophy… would be way better IMO to have a small pistol caliber weapon in public than a small rifle. The news has painted a picture about the ar15 and if someone sees you with a rifle during an active shooter event who will they think the bad guy is. A small pdw that can easily/quickly be concealed/ deployed for that 1 reason is worth it a million times over. Watch for more people to come out with systems for the p320 it’s way easier and way stronger than any of the Glock ones.
I like that one but I don't carry a P320. I want mag compatibility across the board. I do think that the active killer thing is a good point. You can get away with hiding one of these easily so that you don't accidentally get waxed by another good guy. .
@@Tier1Citizen that is the exact use case for a citizen. Maximize practical firepower in a concealable platform to not draw unwanted attention to yourself post use. Maybe Flux will come out with a modular Glock chasis but I wouldn't lose sleep waiting
I agree. The Flux Raider is the only PDW style add on that's worth a damn imo. If they could keep them in stock I would actually buy a P320 just for the ability to utilize a Flux Raider.
@@Tier1Citizen yeah the mag comparability is a negative for sure,I’m a Glock guy… all my gear is set up to run Glock. Plus sig is very proud of their mags… 50$ for a 17 round mag. The raider will be off body in a bag with spare mags in there as it’s own system… if i could use Glock mags I’d be a lot happier 🤣
@@ImperiumLibertas they have a flux brace for the Glock … they haven’t had any for awhile but they do have another one in the works. The current one uses the light rail to mount a mag carrier/ not a vertical grip lol and the trigger housing pin to hold the brace. If Glock made a trigger pack like sig it would be a lot easier to make a brace system for it seeing as the flux raider isn’t a firearm but Glock frames are.
Check out my channel and enter the word GS17 in the search field. There are a lot of video there. This is a serious set up for serious work. Also download this article from my website that I wrote on it: img1.wsimg.com/blobby/go/f6c2a23e-38c9-4485-baf2-e7f5802dbde5/downloads/1brfid1rb_103843.pdf?ver=1678392837422
It wouldn't work for me since I am a Glock user. It makes little sense to set yourself up for success by having your shoulder mounted weapon firing the same rounds as your every day carry weapon. Then completely ruining everything by having to work with two weapons that use different mags. Obviously, if you already carry Sig P320 you are golden.
I had that one made in izreal for about a month, put my G34 in it and shot maybe 50 rounds through... awful. Sold it at a $5 loss. I'll stick to AR15s if I need something with four points of contact.
Nice PSA! This really needs to be discussed. Chassis systems like the CAA MCK 2.0 are less then worthless. (Except for as expensive range toys or movie props.) If you look at them wrong, they will lose their zero. Even racking the slide will put them out. Let alone, removing the pistol and reinstalling it. Have you ever noticed that the channels peddling those, never stretch out the distance? 10 to 15 yards max. What's the point of doing that to your pistol, If you can't even reach out with it?? Most competent shooters can make those shots, without all the extra bulk strapped to their pistol. Plus, most times, they turn your very reliable Glock, into a Jam-0-Matic. Yet CAA keeps selling 'em like hotcakes. I just don't get it. Thanks for being one of the few voices denouncing these products!! Rant over.
The original RONI is good but that MCK is a pirated product and it's crap. Below is the RONI video I did and a link to a PDF you need to look at on the MCK. RONI Video: ua-cam.com/users/videoSrlUMPFPjkc MCK PDF: img1.wsimg.com/blobby/go/f6c2a23e-38c9-4485-baf2-e7f5802dbde5/Micro%20RONI%20Letter.pdf
@@Tier1Citizen Nice to know. What I can't get my head around is, they both have the same lock up system. And that system is flawed, because they lock up to the utility rail. So just a simple thing as racking the slide will set your zero off. I will watch your video and see what I am missing. Thanks again!
The original head tighter tolerances. Mikey Hartman essentially ripped off the company from Moshe Oz when he (Hartman) moved here to the United States. He was very creative in how he did it and Moshe has been fighting patent infringements for a very long time.
@@Tier1Citizen Okay, That makes sense I guess. They both only have 1 point of contact with the pistol though, correct? This Hartman guy, sounds like a real gem of a dude. I can't believe Oz hasn't one yet. Would seam like an open and closed case to me. Kind of like S&W VS Glock. Thanks for clearing thing up for me!
I decided to go the PDW route via a REALLY short 5.56 pistol build simply because even though I'm getting just over 9mm velocities with heavier bullets or decent speeds with XM193, I wanted the extra punch the 5.56 affords with a tad higher velocity. Collapsed, my 5.9" 5.56 PDW pistol build measures at roughly 20.5" and fits in a backpack like a glove! However, everytime I see this G17 PDW come out, I want one! Lol
@@jessewrigley5664 I doubt it. You sound like a typical hater on short 5.56 platforms. Whatever. You do you. I'd have no problem taking my 5.56 over your little MPX every day of the week and twice on Sunday. It'll do just fine for THE ROLE IT'S INTENDED TO FILL!!! Your expert input is appreciated (not).
@@OTG_Zulu Respectfully, I get that a lot. However, even with M855 I'm still pushing roughly 1,955 fps and with XM193 I'm pushing roughly 2,202 fps. Yeah, I get that it's basically a glorified .22LR at those velocities, but that is more than enough pop for the distances/niche this weapon is designed to fill (75 yards in); hence PDW. Those are just average velocities and I certainly don't put all my stock/faith in ballistic charts. I'm a big proponent of multiple shots on target as well as shot placement. For those reasons and those reasons alone, I have full confidence in the platform.
Oh sorry, that is a Personal Defense Weapon. That term is typically reserved for small shoulder fired weapons that use pistol or smaller caliber projectiles such as 9mm and 5.7mm.
@@Tier1Citizen here's an idea - maybe you could take one commonly used abbreviation or slang or term and list it in your description - "Jargon of the Day" and explain it - might also increase folks reading the description.
Actually what I should've done was not assume and I should've put it on the screen for you guys. Thanks for the reminder that the things that are a forgone conclusion for me are sometimes unknown to others.
So, I'm looking at the Recover tactical 20/20 but I don't like that you have to scrunch your neck and shoulders so much to get a good eye/sight alignment... I don't like the RC20/20 pic rail attachment but... Putting a riser on it will give you the perfect eye/sight alignment. So question... Am I crazy for wanting to put a 1-2 inch rmr riser on the slide of a pistol? I searched the forums - nobody else has done it.
You get used to it. I would not put a riser on it. Why? Because you end up adding wiggle to things that are more solid by having the optic on the slide.
@Tier1Citizen Wiggle & firearms = disaster, you are correct. My neck & shoulders are a mess - I have my rifle setup setup with the perfect eye/sight alignment so that I'm shooting from an almost relaxed position. All of these braced pistol chassis seem to have such obvious design flaws and yet... I still want to get one lol
Steven, when folks ask a question that is clearly meant for me, let me answer it. When a question is posed as "does anyone...." that is a community directed question and it's open game. You've answered several questions on this video that are being directed at me. Let me get them please. Thank you sir.
I like the Flux Raider but it doesn't feed off of Glock mags. You want mag commonality so that you can pull a mag from your EDC if you need to. BTW I'm the one that gave Flux the idea for the raider several years ago. I have the email chain to prove it too.
Love it man. I really want this setup so bad. I wish it was in a brace form. I don’t want to SBR my pistol. Any suggestions would be great if you know of a brace form. Is the RM06 type 2 a 2 moa or 3.25? I have it on my carry which is a 34. I swore it was 3.25 for some reason
Can you make a video going over the benefits and limitations of a 7.5'' AR vs the benefits and limitations of a Glock PDW system like the Recover2020? Specifically, what is the difference between the philosophy of use between the two systems? Also do you have a recommendation as to which of those systems should be acquired first, assuming that a CCW, and defensive carbine have already been purchased.
I'm constantly STARVING for knowledge and am happy to of discovered this channel. Also, on another note: My mother shoots alot as well but only follows maybe 2 or 3 "guntubers" and this channel is one of them. Her reasoning is exactly as he stated in the video and that's beneficial, straight forward knowledge that's given confidently and with certainty. No wishy-washy explanations that's afraid to insult or upset the ones with differing opinions or tactical choices. She also really likes that you're a man of God. 🙏🙏🙏 Also - I've recently fallen in love with the holosun 507c with PA chevron reticle. For years I've always been a fan of the simple 6moa dot reticle but had the opportunity to use the chevron reticle on a buddies Gen 5 glock 17. I immediately fell in love with the design and purchased both a green and red version. It's FAR easier to now consistently hit further targets and was almost night and day when it came to reliably and accurately finding the reticle under fast firing recoil control. I can't really explain it that well but with the dot under recoil it turns into almost like a blurry thin, stretched out rectangle that forced me to almost an exact cadence of fire if I wanted to be accurate. The chevron I can somehow make out it's shape perfectly and the reticle doesn't blur into a different shape or obscure the target. I'm able to easily distinguish its shape much more easily.
See that has really peeked my interest lately. Any complaints on it? Anything! Be brutal about it. In fact do me a favor and email me your thoughts on it. tier1citizen@gmail.com
Speaking of training ammo, I notice my 124 grain ball that rhymes with laser has significantly less felt recoil than my 124 grain (not +p, just standard) federal HST hollow points. Is this normal? Could this be a brand by brand thing? Or maybe are they seriously skimping on ball ammo quality?
@@Tier1Citizen - Do you have a favorite brand or is anything +P, +P+ in hollowpoint good to go? I remember you talking about how 115 grain interacts with armor panels but I will probably have to try to find it again after a good nights sleep. I am using the wrong key words or something.
I prefer not to shoot anything that has higher pressure. It's just not worth the risk to the chamber. I stick with 115 grain standard velocity. It does its job if you put the bullets where they need to go.
Cogent points, great knowledge drop as always, and well explained. Oh and just to bust your chops, it is not pronounced "Jar-Gone" but rather "Jar-Gun"...
@@Tier1Citizen Born in Cuba and arrived in Miami at the age of 3 so I'm an ESOL kid as well. All good...I care less how you pronounce them and more about you still producing videos that educate, motivate, and inform, brother.
Well then you fully get how it is that we view the English language. We tend to look at it very similarly to Spanish in that we tend to want to pronounce every letter in a word.
Training ammo hiccups, the reason we prefer our exceptionally well done reloads to train with when it comes to pistol ammo. Match the weight of Training ammo to carry ammo. We would love to come train with you Abner, but you do not allow reloaded ammo. 😪
Correct. Reloads pose a risk that is not worth the potential for injury to self or another student. It's also a great way to get your trainer's insurance yanked on you. It sucks but it's the reality of the world we live in.
We understand the point you are making but the facts are that our personal reloads are safer than most of the crappy so called training ammo out there.
Yeah kinda like that. I wish Glock would make a PDW that runs like their Glocks do. Loading mag to fist is more efficient than loading into a magwell that's in front of your hand.
In my opinion to use optics and PDW on handguns are a waste! They are just for the cool factor but in a realistic World/Self-defense they are worthless.
You are so very wrong. There's a reason that some Tier 1 Units choose PDW's for their work. They know that rifles are too long and bulky for extremely close CQC, and handguns alone are far too inaccurate for surgical shooting. This is why they choose PDW's.
I love it when you fire without a warning, very practical and realistic.
Thankyou for this great channel.
That's why I tend to keep my hearing protection on throughout the video :)
Interesting reticle choice. Ive been solely red dot on pistol for about 7 years now. Never looked at those trijicon triangle dots, I'll check one out next time I'm at the shop.
They have a round one now that is 7moa and it is really cool.
I had the Micro Roni, sold it. Why ? I would not hold the zero, and there is no way for the gun to vent heat and debris. After a session with moderate use the slide cooks and the gun gets filthy! I added a 19MOS slide and added a red dot it either runs on my fab defense cobra or the recover tactical 2020. I tried the UR20 from recover tactical and it is garbage for the reasons you just clearly explained. Recover tactical is trying again with their glass breaker GB20 ? This will also fail. As the PDW market continues to grow, the marketeers are going to continue to pedal tacticool trash. Your system works all day and every day!
Truth!
So true. I'm essentially a rookie shooting a handgun. However what you said at 4:50 is true for me. I took License to Carry class here in Texas and first round used fmj's. Eghhhh! Made a milk jug look small. I then switched to Rem HTP hollowpoints... night & day difference. Hole touching hole.
This is why I came to this channel, real information. You really don’t know what you don’t know.
Imagine what it's like for me when I go to a training class and an instructor says something that I have never once heard before. That happened at a class that I recently attended. I remember thinking to myself "73 classes under my belt and I've never heard this before."
"You're stealing accuracy from yourself."
I really like how you put that.
Yep, it's legit.
Very good information. Thx
Always good info
Love this channel. Spot on advice in a concise manner.
I appreciate that!
Do you agree the same for the Recover Tactical 20/20? I know you have suggested it in the past. Have you changed your mind on it? I've considered to get one recently and want to know if your opinion has changed.
Yes that one is good as long as you don't buy the goofy accessory optic mount.
@@Tier1Citizen thanks and keep up the good work.
Great stuff as usual! Thank You and thanks for honoring your oath!
What is that contraption you are shooting and where can I get one?
Fascinating.. Makes perfect sense to me. Question I would have for you is what about adapter sights like the recover 20/20 has. So as you know the 20/20 has a plastic adapter that screws on to the frame of the slide and its a combo charging handle and square sight I think that's what its called. It does not have a red dot and I have to use the regular glock sights to aim. What's your take on that one. I want to use the 20/20 as a PDW/truck gun.
When using the 20/20 you have to really scrunch your neck and shoulders to get down low enough to look at the pistol sights. I would argue that having a red dot mounted on your slide is a non negotiable - it is a must have. I wish they would put a steeper decline on the brace of the 20/20 this would give you a better shoulder feel/ eye & sight alignment
It's a shame the Endo tactical adapter fits only Gen 3 full size. It is the most stable..
I have seen video of it modded to fit a gen 4.
Thanks for the vid!
I appreciate all your free advice and info. On the other hand, the way you say "jargon" makes me crazy.
I tend to say words the easy way rather than the way most people do. For example I say the word "Police" as Puhleece rather than Poe-leece which is how the majority of people here in the south say it. I also say the word Femoral as it's spelled rather than Fuh-moral which is how I here it always said.
@@Tier1Citizen it's all good man. We all have our ways. Keep the content coming.
Flux raider for the win! The p320 is a much better candidate for pdw type “chassis” as the trigger pack is the firearm. So they can make a grip module with a brace/stock and you just drop in the trigger and slide.
Pdw philosophy… would be way better IMO to have a small pistol caliber weapon in public than a small rifle. The news has painted a picture about the ar15 and if someone sees you with a rifle during an active shooter event who will they think the bad guy is. A small pdw that can easily/quickly be concealed/ deployed for that 1 reason is worth it a million times over. Watch for more people to come out with systems for the p320 it’s way easier and way stronger than any of the Glock ones.
I like that one but I don't carry a P320. I want mag compatibility across the board. I do think that the active killer thing is a good point. You can get away with hiding one of these easily so that you don't accidentally get waxed by another good guy. .
@@Tier1Citizen that is the exact use case for a citizen. Maximize practical firepower in a concealable platform to not draw unwanted attention to yourself post use.
Maybe Flux will come out with a modular Glock chasis but I wouldn't lose sleep waiting
I agree. The Flux Raider is the only PDW style add on that's worth a damn imo. If they could keep them in stock I would actually buy a P320 just for the ability to utilize a Flux Raider.
@@Tier1Citizen yeah the mag comparability is a negative for sure,I’m a Glock guy… all my gear is set up to run Glock. Plus sig is very proud of their mags… 50$ for a 17 round mag. The raider will be off body in a bag with spare mags in there as it’s own system… if i could use Glock mags I’d be a lot happier 🤣
@@ImperiumLibertas they have a flux brace for the Glock … they haven’t had any for awhile but they do have another one in the works. The current one uses the light rail to mount a mag carrier/ not a vertical grip lol and the trigger housing pin to hold the brace.
If Glock made a trigger pack like sig it would be a lot easier to make a brace system for it seeing as the flux raider isn’t a firearm but Glock frames are.
I don’t recognize your pdw set-up, Mr Miranda. What is it? It appears minimalist, which I like, but I have no idea what you’ve done.
Check out my channel and enter the word GS17 in the search field. There are a lot of video there. This is a serious set up for serious work. Also download this article from my website that I wrote on it: img1.wsimg.com/blobby/go/f6c2a23e-38c9-4485-baf2-e7f5802dbde5/downloads/1brfid1rb_103843.pdf?ver=1678392837422
You should try the Flux Raider for P320. It’s making some waves.
It wouldn't work for me since I am a Glock user. It makes little sense to set yourself up for success by having your shoulder mounted weapon firing the same rounds as your every day carry weapon. Then completely ruining everything by having to work with two weapons that use different mags. Obviously, if you already carry Sig P320 you are golden.
I had that one made in izreal for about a month, put my G34 in it and shot maybe 50 rounds through... awful. Sold it at a $5 loss. I'll stick to AR15s if I need something with four points of contact.
The FLUX raider seems useful
I like it but unfortunately it is based on a SIG which I don't shoot.
Excellent. Thank you
Glad it was helpful!
Nice PSA! This really needs to be discussed. Chassis systems like the CAA MCK 2.0 are less then worthless. (Except for as expensive range toys or movie props.) If you look at them wrong, they will lose their zero. Even racking the slide will put them out. Let alone, removing the pistol and reinstalling it. Have you ever noticed that the channels peddling those, never stretch out the distance? 10 to 15 yards max. What's the point of doing that to your pistol, If you can't even reach out with it?? Most competent shooters can make those shots, without all the extra bulk strapped to their pistol. Plus, most times, they turn your very reliable Glock, into a Jam-0-Matic. Yet CAA keeps selling 'em like hotcakes. I just don't get it. Thanks for being one of the few voices denouncing these products!! Rant over.
The original RONI is good but that MCK is a pirated product and it's crap. Below is the RONI video I did and a link to a PDF you need to look at on the MCK.
RONI Video: ua-cam.com/users/videoSrlUMPFPjkc
MCK PDF: img1.wsimg.com/blobby/go/f6c2a23e-38c9-4485-baf2-e7f5802dbde5/Micro%20RONI%20Letter.pdf
@@Tier1Citizen Nice to know. What I can't get my head around is, they both have the same lock up system. And that system is flawed, because they lock up to the utility rail. So just a simple thing as racking the slide will set your zero off. I will watch your video and see what I am missing. Thanks again!
The original head tighter tolerances. Mikey Hartman essentially ripped off the company from Moshe Oz when he (Hartman) moved here to the United States. He was very creative in how he did it and Moshe has been fighting patent infringements for a very long time.
@@Tier1Citizen Okay, That makes sense I guess. They both only have 1 point of contact with the pistol though, correct? This Hartman guy, sounds like a real gem of a dude. I can't believe Oz hasn't one yet. Would seam like an open and closed case to me. Kind of like S&W VS Glock. Thanks for clearing thing up for me!
@@Tier1Citizen, damn! I wish I saw these opinions of yours much, much sooner. 🙁
I decided to go the PDW route via a REALLY short 5.56 pistol build simply because even though I'm getting just over 9mm velocities with heavier bullets or decent speeds with XM193, I wanted the extra punch the 5.56 affords with a tad higher velocity.
Collapsed, my 5.9" 5.56 PDW pistol build measures at roughly 20.5" and fits in a backpack like a glove! However, everytime I see this G17 PDW come out, I want one! Lol
@@jessewrigley5664 I doubt it. You sound like a typical hater on short 5.56 platforms. Whatever. You do you. I'd have no problem taking my 5.56 over your little MPX every day of the week and twice on Sunday. It'll do just fine for THE ROLE IT'S INTENDED TO FILL!!!
Your expert input is appreciated (not).
I say this with no ill intent, but you have a really heavy .22lr now. 556 needs velocity. If you’re gonna go that short of barrel id go 300 blackout.
@@OTG_Zulu I'd love to see your opinion on subsonic 5.7 PDW
@@rustyshackleford81 I don’t know enough about 5.7 loads to make any comment on it.
@@OTG_Zulu Respectfully, I get that a lot. However, even with M855 I'm still pushing roughly 1,955 fps and with XM193 I'm pushing roughly 2,202 fps. Yeah, I get that it's basically a glorified .22LR at those velocities, but that is more than enough pop for the distances/niche this weapon is designed to fill (75 yards in); hence PDW.
Those are just average velocities and I certainly don't put all my stock/faith in ballistic charts. I'm a big proponent of multiple shots on target as well as shot placement. For those reasons and those reasons alone, I have full confidence in the platform.
Loved it and just to say, keep it up!
4:00 hurt my heart just remembering those days. Although still doesn't feel much better right now
That's the truth!
Not to be a wise acre but I did get bogged down with jargon - what is PDW? was never explained
Oh sorry, that is a Personal Defense Weapon. That term is typically reserved for small shoulder fired weapons that use pistol or smaller caliber projectiles such as 9mm and 5.7mm.
@@Tier1Citizen thanks, probably should have known this... but I'm sure there are a lot of newbies who won't risk asking
@@Tier1Citizen here's an idea - maybe you could take one commonly used abbreviation or slang or term and list it in your description - "Jargon of the Day" and explain it - might also increase folks reading the description.
Actually what I should've done was not assume and I should've put it on the screen for you guys. Thanks for the reminder that the things that are a forgone conclusion for me are sometimes unknown to others.
So, I'm looking at the Recover tactical 20/20 but I don't like that you have to scrunch your neck and shoulders so much to get a good eye/sight alignment...
I don't like the RC20/20 pic rail attachment but... Putting a riser on it will give you the perfect eye/sight alignment.
So question... Am I crazy for wanting to put a 1-2 inch rmr riser on the slide of a pistol? I searched the forums - nobody else has done it.
You get used to it. I would not put a riser on it. Why? Because you end up adding wiggle to things that are more solid by having the optic on the slide.
@Tier1Citizen Wiggle & firearms = disaster, you are correct.
My neck & shoulders are a mess - I have my rifle setup setup with the perfect eye/sight alignment so that I'm shooting from an almost relaxed position.
All of these braced pistol chassis seem to have such obvious design flaws and yet... I still want to get one lol
They are addictive looking, aren't they?
i like how the foregrip becomes a trigger cover, however doesn't a foregrip change the gun to an nfa item?
Yes, this is an SBR.
Thoughts on the Flux Raider PDW? Everyone seems to love it.
Same problem with RDS. Only slightly less.
Steven, when folks ask a question that is clearly meant for me, let me answer it. When a question is posed as "does anyone...." that is a community directed question and it's open game. You've answered several questions on this video that are being directed at me. Let me get them please. Thank you sir.
I like the Flux Raider but it doesn't feed off of Glock mags. You want mag commonality so that you can pull a mag from your EDC if you need to. BTW I'm the one that gave Flux the idea for the raider several years ago. I have the email chain to prove it too.
@@Tier1Citizen copy.
Thank you sir.
Love it man. I really want this setup so bad. I wish it was in a brace form. I don’t want to SBR my pistol. Any suggestions would be great if you know of a brace form. Is the RM06 type 2 a 2 moa or 3.25? I have it on my carry which is a 34. I swore it was 3.25 for some reason
I like the pistol adapters for these but they lack in ergonomics.
yes the RMR06 is a 3.25 moa optic.
that setup is sick
Yeah it works well.
Can you make a video going over the benefits and limitations of a 7.5'' AR vs the benefits and limitations of a Glock PDW system like the Recover2020? Specifically, what is the difference between the philosophy of use between the two systems? Also do you have a recommendation as to which of those systems should be acquired first, assuming that a CCW, and defensive carbine have already been purchased.
I'd do the PDW first, hands down. The 7.5" is great too but it is loud as sin and is still larger and heavier than this set up is.
@@Tier1Citizen Thanks a bunch.
How about get a Glock add a vertical grip and scope mount and build 1 yourself of course you have to register it
I'm constantly STARVING for knowledge and am happy to of discovered this channel. Also, on another note: My mother shoots alot as well but only follows maybe 2 or 3 "guntubers" and this channel is one of them. Her reasoning is exactly as he stated in the video and that's beneficial, straight forward knowledge that's given confidently and with certainty. No wishy-washy explanations that's afraid to insult or upset the ones with differing opinions or tactical choices. She also really likes that you're a man of God. 🙏🙏🙏
Also - I've recently fallen in love with the holosun 507c with PA chevron reticle. For years I've always been a fan of the simple 6moa dot reticle but had the opportunity to use the chevron reticle on a buddies Gen 5 glock 17. I immediately fell in love with the design and purchased both a green and red version. It's FAR easier to now consistently hit further targets and was almost night and day when it came to reliably and accurately finding the reticle under fast firing recoil control. I can't really explain it that well but with the dot under recoil it turns into almost like a blurry thin, stretched out rectangle that forced me to almost an exact cadence of fire if I wanted to be accurate. The chevron I can somehow make out it's shape perfectly and the reticle doesn't blur into a different shape or obscure the target. I'm able to easily distinguish its shape much more easily.
Does the forward grip cover the trigger well when collapsed doubling as a safety?
Sure does!
Yeah it does. It's the perfect set up, it keeps things simple.
Stil No cracks on the grip after long use of that Fab stock? Why not Cobra or Recover 20/20?
No cracks at all. The stock flexes quite a bit to help with that recoil.
Torque or flex on frame…cool
Is that build kit available anywhere? I can't find it online.
No I just found out that it's been discontinued by the manufacturer. Yeah that blows!
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Yes if you want a PDW, buy a true PDW. I run a Glock 26 and 19 and my PDW is a B&T GHM9 with the Glock lower on it.
See that has really peeked my interest lately. Any complaints on it? Anything! Be brutal about it. In fact do me a favor and email me your thoughts on it. tier1citizen@gmail.com
Speaking of training ammo, I notice my 124 grain ball that rhymes with laser has significantly less felt recoil than my 124 grain (not +p, just standard) federal HST hollow points. Is this normal? Could this be a brand by brand thing? Or maybe are they seriously skimping on ball ammo quality?
You got me man. I never shoot anything but 115 grain.
Training ammo is almost always a light load with high variance while defensive ammo is much more accurately loaded to spec.
4:53 12.9 MOA Trijicon RMR 08G $600 MSRP
What are you using for self defense ammo these days? That 75 yard shot seemed really, really flat.
I use 115 grain across the board. Not only do I train with it, it's also my EDC carry weight.
@@Tier1Citizen - Do you have a favorite brand or is anything +P, +P+ in hollowpoint good to go?
I remember you talking about how 115 grain interacts with armor panels but I will probably have to try to find it again after a good nights sleep. I am using the wrong key words or something.
I prefer not to shoot anything that has higher pressure. It's just not worth the risk to the chamber. I stick with 115 grain standard velocity. It does its job if you put the bullets where they need to go.
@@Tier1Citizen - Thank you. That is fantastic information.
Jar-GON
Jar-gun baby!
oh no
Oh no what?
Cogent points, great knowledge drop as always, and well explained. Oh and just to bust your chops, it is not pronounced "Jar-Gone" but rather "Jar-Gun"...
I pronounce some words oddly because English is my second language. I grew up in FL which is a weird mix of North and South.
@@Tier1Citizen Born in Cuba and arrived in Miami at the age of 3 so I'm an ESOL kid as well. All good...I care less how you pronounce them and more about you still producing videos that educate, motivate, and inform, brother.
Well then you fully get how it is that we view the English language. We tend to look at it very similarly to Spanish in that we tend to want to pronounce every letter in a word.
Malfunction training ammo 👍👍
You got that right.
Abner speaking the truth ,…. And ruining our call of duty larping fantasies!! 😝 lol 😝
I know, I'm such a buzz kill.
Training ammo hiccups, the reason we prefer our exceptionally well done reloads to train with when it comes to pistol ammo. Match the weight of Training ammo to carry ammo. We would love to come train with you Abner, but you do not allow reloaded ammo. 😪
Correct. Reloads pose a risk that is not worth the potential for injury to self or another student. It's also a great way to get your trainer's insurance yanked on you. It sucks but it's the reality of the world we live in.
We understand the point you are making but the facts are that our personal reloads are safer than most of the crappy so called training ammo out there.
And and there are so many crappy reloads out there aren't there?
@@Tier1Citizen Yes, there are far too many shops and individuals that make crappy reloads and no way to tell one from another.
Jar-Gone
It's amazing how many folks have given me grief about the way I say that word. Oh well.
@@Tier1Citizen hey, informative AND entertaining! Not a bad combo there.
why you must make your own decisions and take others' as things to try!
Yeah kinda like that. I wish Glock would make a PDW that runs like their Glocks do. Loading mag to fist is more efficient than loading into a magwell that's in front of your hand.
In my opinion to use optics and PDW on handguns are a waste! They are just for the cool factor but in a realistic World/Self-defense they are worthless.
You are so very wrong. There's a reason that some Tier 1 Units choose PDW's for their work. They know that rifles are too long and bulky for extremely close CQC, and handguns alone are far too inaccurate for surgical shooting. This is why they choose PDW's.
@@Tier1Citizen regarding optics. Does your rmr require suppressor height or regular sights front and rear?