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You know what? I'm done with you... I'm tired of running in circles (Try say that 5 time), and worst of all: this episode is creepy and dark. This show was supposed to be mature, but not that mature, and there is no other side, there is only darkness. Screw you!! 🖕👎 #LetMeIn
I think is also beautiful how much bojack loves Diane. Not even in a romatic way, she is the last thing in his mind and is not a gread speech. Just small talk.
@@benjaminwestholm5975 They should have banned seasons 6 for making fun of the Chicago Cubs... it's a no no and Netflix could have been sued by the team.
I think the reason why CrackerJack was the one that was unsure about how to answer the questions he was asked was because he was the only character there that Bojack never knew. Bojack doesn’t know how he’d answer those questions so his brain just makes him unsure of everything.
Theres also the fact that many soliders, especially those as innocent and fresh and eventually disillusioned as WW1 and WW2 soliders were I immediately think about the young soliders of All Quiet on The Western Front, most notably Paul and his skeptical, angered peers These teens that dont know to what end their war efforts and all of the death they observe will actually come to all the implications of the war and the devastation are all too broad to bring some meaning to They didnt think of the glory as they soon found that they were mere puppets being marched off to their deaths. He says something alike to "Thats too big of a thought for a little solider like me" in this episode, showing how there was never time for Crackerjack to ever really consider what it is he's actually dying for. Not with a country he suddenly has to defend and a family to return to Even as a solider, he had an almost blind ignorance and optimism that he'd never face death He was optimistic with his war buddy, Sal/Sally (back in Times Arrow), telling him jovially that he cant wait to take a break from killing Nazis by grabbing a pint What his death or his actual war experience wouldve done to him was never a thought or a question he bothered with and thankfully, he was so tunnel visioned from the possibility of death that he never had to think of it before that bullet caught him. So hes left in Bojacks idea of the afterlife, with no real forethought into what his death actually meant
I have no supported knowledge of that being the intention, but its something i really appreciate about Crackerjacks inclusion at the dinner overall it shows a l o t about the decisions and the implications behind soliders "duties" to their efforts, and how no one truly knows what they might be dying for until theyre already gone
Rozeh Kakes that’s a really good theory. There’s also the fact that he probably died at a really young age, probably younger than any of the other characters at the dinner party, meaning that he probably wasn’t old enough to get to the point where he was thinking about what is life meant and existential things like that. He just wanted to shoot some nazi’s.
I don’t know if anybody else pointed this out yet, but my personal favourite ‘Easter egg’ in the poem, is within the three verses Secretariat goes from third person in the first verse, then second person in the second verse, then finally too first person in the last verse.... 3..2..1...
I think they were playing into the black tar line from season one heavily, considering the line "by the time you realize you're sinking, its too late.", which perfectly parallels the events of the episode, with bojack grappling and fighting only when hes too far gone, finally realizing what's happening to himself only when it's too late for him to stop it.
The tar is a metaphor for the corruptiong influence of showbusiness. This has nothing to do with the black goo here which is just the nothingness of death consuming all characters. The deaths of the people here mostly are not even related to showbusiness. Also, Bojack did already imagine the tar in a drug halluzination in "Downer-Ending" where it looked nothing like the black goo here.
it always gets overlooked that herb didn't die of cancer... he died from PEANUTS "In 2015, Herb overcomes his cancer but is killed soon after in a car accident. He didn't sustain injuries from the accident itself but had crashed into a truck filled with peanuts to which he was deathly allergic."
@@chadkennedy7855 I think it was the guy that was in one episode of Law and Order that spoke at Herb's memorial service when they reveal a bench with his name on top of a hill.
y’all do know that the guy from SVU is a joke right? Henry Wrinklier is famous for playing Arthur “The Fonz” Fonzarelli on Happy Days. Another nod is given to him by Fonzarelli being one of Hollyhocks dads.
This is something I noticed during Beatrice and Crackerjack's final moments in the episode. After Crackerjack falls through the door, the black goo consumes Beatrice's ribbon and after a few seconds, it unravels and Beatrice is gone. Could be symbolic of how after Crackerjack's death, her life unraveled and fell apart. Just a thought.
There's an old saying that behind every cynic is a disappointed idealist, and I think that's what Crackerjack represents to Bojack. Crackerjack was just a normal, sweet-natured guy who was so excited to join the military and potentially be a hero, but he had no idea what he was really getting himself into. He wasn't prepared for the pressure placed on him, and what was probably a combination of lack of experience and fear led to him accidentally killing some of his comrades (he says that all of his kills were friendly fire) and not doing anything "heroic". Compare that to Bojack, who was also just a normal dude wanting to make his name in the world and was so starstruck at the possibility of being a great actor that he mishandled the responsibility that position gave him. And that gave rise to a lingering doubt as to whether it was really worth it. At least Crackerjack never had the chance to become the embittered old man Bojack later turned into... because he died young.
@@joaoribeiro2688 Maybe he felt like he needed to make Crackerjack imperfect in some way. Bojack did say he felt like he could never live up to him, so making him a well-intentioned screwup in his dying dream probably humanized him (if you'll pardon the expression).
@@joaoribeiro2688 this is something that I'm kinda thinking atm but maybe the friendly fire line is more a nod about bojacks friends and how if every person at the table is a different part of bojacks subconscious maybe the friendly fire line was more about how bojack ended up hurting everyone he cared about
I think the “friendly fire” thing is a reference to how his death (and by extension his existence) only served to screw over the sugarman family (at least in Bojack’s eyes)
I'm tired of running in circles. I'm tired of running in circles. I'm tired of running in circles. I'm tired of running in circles. I'm tired of running in circles.
According to people who have had near death experiences, while you’re dying it’s common to have extremely vivid dreams and hallucinations while your body is shutting down, especially of people in your life that already died. (I don’t think he actually did die though, he was saved just in time)
I think he did die but was brought back, I mean the heart monitor did stop, hinting his death, however the next episode they decided to pull the old switcheroo. He experienced a clinical death, not a biological death, lucky him.
Zach Braff is there because A: He died B: He was the focal point of a similar episode in Scrubs where, in a dream sequence, he met all the dead characters before leaving the series.
When he said his water tasted like chlorine, that's when I put 2 and 2 together and realized that he was drowning just like the show's opening has shown him doing for the past 6 seasons.
Bojack Horseman always had incredible episodes, but none had hit me as hard as this one. I entered a state of shock and felt like someone punched me in the guts all throughout. It's, for me, the best episode, due to how close it hit home.
This episode left me shell-shocked and on edge like very few shows have made me feel. But it’s the finale of the series that made me cry like a baby, specifically watching Princess Carolyn like a proud mother and just bawling at how much she’s grown. Same for Diane, I never hated her like many members of the fan base do. She deserved her happiness with someone who accepts and cherishes her. I just cried and cried at how those two changed as people. And the goodbye between Diane and Bojack reminded me of when I have to say goodbye to high school friends, even the toxic ones. This show made me feel things I did not know possible. I’ll miss it.
Bray Wyatt's favorite episode alongside "Downer Ending" because he like it dark and creepy. Once you enter his dark twisted world, there's no going back. #LetMeIn
I disagree about the tar! If only because so much focus is left on one's legacy in this episode, and what did tar do to all the prehistoric animals? It perfectly preserved them, after they wasted away in it. They suffered immeasurably, starving and burning and stuck...but today biologists get a better picture of extinct animals, and tourists get a show.
I dont know why I always tear up when I hear Herb say "Oh Bojack, no. There is no other side. This is it." Its such a scary and sad thing to think of that there is a possibility of there being nothing after death.
When PB's house went underground with all the Hollywoo celebrities, they cannibalized Zack Braff. That's why he's in the episode, and also why he's the serving everyone else. I'm surprised this wasn't touched upon.
I realize Zach Braff is dead, but so are Joseph Sugarmen, Honey Sugarmen and Eddie's wife, yet they weren't in the episode. When asking why he was in the episode, I was talking about his purpose to the message of the episode, which, I don't think he has one, I just think he was there for laughs.
Some people have also speculated that the black goop is charcoal that’s being used to pump his stomach (note to when he spit up the goop on the dinnertable)
I realised something: Remember the South Park episode where Britney Spears is sacrificed for harvest? Well, Sarah Lynn's arc is the child star's 'sacrifice' played realistically. The Britney episode finally makes sense!
Somebody probably already said this but I thought it was interesting that while Bojack & Diane are on the phone, Bojack asks Diane how her day was & she replies, “Good. My day was good.” Which I believe is a call back to when Diane was staying with Bojack when she wouldn’t go home to Mr. Peanutbutter and she had just wished that she could go home and all Mr. Peanutbutter would say is, “how was your day?” And she would reply “good. My day was good.”
Crackerjack is probably one of the more interesting characters to be included in the View From Halfway Down since Bojack himself never met him. Of course what we can assume from the line "the Uncle I never met, and yet could never live up to" is that Beatrice would often bring Crackerjack up when raising Bojack as someone great that Bojack couldn't hold a candle to. To me this made the line "I'm not really sure what I did..." from Crackerjack in this episode very interesting. Bojack knew he was supposed to be someone "great" but he doesn't actually know about his exploits or what he actually is like.
No. The tar was already used in Bojacks drug hallucination in "Downer-Ending" where it looked completely different. That tar was a clear metaphor. It's about the corrupting influence of showbusiness. The black goo in this episode doesn't relate to that at all.
@@ThePhantomLK BoJack made 3 dumbest decision in season 1. 1: Stealing a box of muffin from a Navy SEAL and accidentally called troops jerks. 2: Leaving Todd at home while BoJack is away, which got Todd arrested. 3: Fired Diane so he could finish the book on his own, but it didn't go well after taking too many drugs.
That Hamilton reference was too much man. Asides from that though, this episode was phenomenal, and strangely enough, it didn’t feed into an existential crisis and far more intrigued me for its high quality, superb writing, intense climax and the best anti suicide scene in a show I’ve ever seen. It took the Bojack writers less than a couple minutes to write something so dark and impactful compared to the crooks that have tried and still failed when trying to connect to the teenage 13 reasons why audience 3 seasons in. Damn I still miss this show.
What if the view from half way down was bojacks ending. The finale is just a visual representation of what the writers thought about what our brains needed to go through as our viewing also comes to an end. It has no clear conclusion but what each person takes away from it. It helps us come to terms with the end in our own ways
7:54 Oh absolutely! It's also funny that Crackerjack is my favorite character from the show before I even realized Lin Manuel Miranda did his voice. Also also, your little tribute at 7:58 gave me chills so thanks.
You gave me a lot to think about. I never interpreted the episode as different parts of Bojack's brain being manifested to give himself a final peace before the end.
It is when you commit to the choice that you realize what you've done to yourself. It is when you begin to grasps death's cold hands that you wish you could go back. It is when you see the view from half way down that you see the bigger picture, as the birds do, as the dragons of legend once did. It is with this view, half way down, that you begin to realize what it all means, with no way to tell anyone else, because you're already half way down.
Personally, I feel like the tar that Charlotte talks about in the beginning IS about Hollywoob from her PoV, but ultimately represents past BoJack, beautiful, seemingly great to be involved with but will drag you down if you put yourself into the position to allow it, plus in the dream, "he" tried to "come back" and take him in the end.
Near death experiences show that there not only is an afterlife, but you get to hang around a little before you go. For example, someone in a hospital had put his shoes on a windowsill, and a woman had an out of body experience and could see the shoes. In another, a woman could see a doctor operating on her body.
Who else cried for that end? I really really wanted to believe it was one of his trippy episodes. My brain did not accept his death as well. And when he makes peace with it and asks Diane "so how was your day" I almost just got wrecked
Is it just me, or is the second half of BoJack season 6, tonely, is nothing like what the series has ever done before. It hit really close to reality, nothing much to laugh at besides the occasional side gag or reference, but even then, it’s not that funny, but I guess there is nothing funny seeing a man’s life crumble apart.
Yeah, it's definitely the darkest, although I think it fits well. But at least the first half was fairly funny. I loved the reporter characters they really stole every scene they were in
best video for this episode. thanks for seeing the symbolism, not reaching for answers (hydrangeas), and the vincent adultman bit. also finally noticed halfway through the episode is when he doesn't wake up and the dream transitions into the darker scenes, not the glorifying discussion.
I wonder... could the black ooze be something different for each character? For Herb, it's the IV drip; for Bojack, alcohol. For Sarah, the tar of Hollywoob; for Secretariat, water. For Buttrscotch, ink; for Crackerjack, blood; for Beatrice, brain rot. For Corduroy, ejac*****; for Zack, oil (because fracking). I have thought, however, that Bojack and Sarah Lynn might both have the tar of Hollywoob. After all, the show compares them at every turn.
I’ve recently realised that the way each character drops into the abyss almost represents how each of them died. Sarah Lynn takes a moment staring through the door (implying she was clinging to life in this 17 minutes), and then takes a breath like she’s jumping into a pool. I’ve read that overdosing feels like drowning or suffocating. Corduroy swings in from a rope by his neck (pretty sure that doesn’t need explaining). Secretariat has the door come closer and closer to him before he falls in kicking and screaming (combined with the poem it sums up the horror of staring death in the face and knowing you’re powerless to turn away). Crackerjack gives a salute before jumping in (implying a fearlessness in the line of duty) and Beatrice is essentially pulled in by Crackerjack (symbolic of how her idyllic life began falling apart the day her brother died). Herb slowly fades away after touching the void while being calm and almost reassuring to Bojack, perhaps suggesting he felt he’d accomplished all he wanted in his life and, if I may quote Harry Potter, “greeted Death like an old friend.” Probably something loads of other people spotted, I just thought it was cool.
I don't think the finale is as controversial as you think. It has a 9.6 on IMDB, is widely regarded by most critics, and is generally beloved by the BoJack fan community. It's really just a vocal minority who think it should have ended with his suicide. Good video though.
My only complain on that episode was the beep at the end as traumatizing as it would have been, I would have preferred a complete continuous beep through the ending, then on the final episode, the two beeps at the hospital once he wakes up, have this been on TV the wait for the next episode would have been too much, but given the episode was right after would have been worth the wait
I'm shocked that you haven't touched on the fact that secretarit's poem falls with him. More specifically the part showing regret. I think it reflects how to everyone else,they only saw a man wanting to end it all. But secretarit truly wanted to live by the time he saw the view from halfway down and unfortunately,he took that with him to the grave.
The thought of being lost in oblivion used to terrify me but after six years of ceaseless pain, I welcome it with arms wide open. I'd rather be nothing than continue to feel this crazy amount of pain. I snap at people when I don't mean to if I'm not paying 100% attention, pain is very cruel and unforgiving. If I was no longer existing the pain would not be there and all would be well
I usually love your videos but honestly, this episode was too dark for me. I have a horrible fear of death and this episode triggers my anxiety way too hard. edit: I can’t watch this, I’m sorry
I’ve said this in jhonny2cellos video but I’ll say it here he died in the finale and the finale is the view from halfway down the heartbeats sync up to when the series ends as in the flatline on the roof I’m not explaining this well but here you go ua-cam.com/video/tNFpVJw5Ukk/v-deo.html
He died from a peanut allergy, though it's possible the injuries from the car crash helped. His car crashed into a peanut stand and the peanuts covered his body.
I would believe that Zach Braff represented death with regret, but Secretariat seemed pretty regretful of suicide when reading his poem. Zach Braff just sorta seemed like some much-needed comic relief!
I believe Zach represented Bojacks ambitions and missed potential. That He still wanted to do a lot of things in his life but will never do because of his choice to go in the pool.
When herb is entering oblivion and bojack says see you on the other side. As he pulls his hand out to tell him “there is no other side, that’s it” it shows how you can’t just go in and out of oblivion. That’s it, it’s final
(11:14) I think the way that Herb takes his hand out of the doorway and *STILL* gets taken by the tar/goo shows a representation of death. Although already accepting death. Herb showed some sort of resistance against death to get one thing across. I think it also represents the fact you CANT ESCAPE *DEATH.* Herb allowed the tar/goo to get him. So did everyone else. But when Bojacks turn came along. He tried to run. The tar/goo follows everyone. Until only bojack is left. He shows resistance, Hes just hit the veiw from halfway down, he dosent want to die. Thats why the tar/goo comes from every direction so aggressively in the end because its Bojacks time to go. Its bojacks veiw from halfway down.
Actually, regarding black goo:. When some people who were drowning and were rescued cough up water, it gets described as black goo (whether that's air pollution coming out of the lungs or what, I don't know).
There’s a saying that when people die, a part of them lives on in our memories of them. I think Bojack watching all of these people that have deeply affected him fade into oblivion, is partially his brain recognizing that the parts of them that lived in his mind would be dying with him.
It’s probably nothing (I’ve never watched this show) but the poem has some characteristics of a sonnet. It’s 14 lines with a Volta ( a tonal shift ) on the 8th line. The beat is the same throughout and it’s all in rhyming couplets.
One of the biggest reasons this episode made me rethink everything about my life was how one of the topics at the dinner party was the definitions of sacrifice. For most of my life, I've lived it trying to serve everyone outside of myself because like Corduroy, I worried that doing anything for pleasure was toxic and would lead to hurting others. Like Sarah Lynn, I told myself everything would be okay as long as I didn't stop dancing and gave people what they wanted. Now, I don't know if I actually understand what sacrifice means anymore because of how while I'm still alive, I don't know if I've actually saved or produced anything good for anyone else. Maybe my whole life I'll keep wondering what sacrifice is supposed to mean for those who can't say for certain they've served the outside world.
Jesus I'm so sorry you cried thinking about this but my mom assured me biblical things like Jesus really happened and entropy is prove we never end that energy is never created or destroyed if you try that kinda research which I'm told has been possible though all human history maybe we both can move on from our fears
I think the tar reference was intentional. All those people are people who had some connection with him. Even if not directly. With Crackerjack and his mother, they're part of the curse his mother mentioned. How they'd never be happy. They were consumed by a tar they never had a chance to escape. And Herb, the others, and himself, the tar consumed them, his own toxicity consumed them. He ruined lives and even in his mind, as it breaks down and his final moments of consciousness play out, he doesn't even get the benefit of knowing his death would make anything better. And it makes sense because he has so much self loathing and hasn't reconciled with it. He can't believe in anything besides Oblivion until he can truly be better and not believe himself to be a tar dragging everyone else down. Also the sizzle sound implies a burning tar when it hits his head.
was craclerjacks voice different in english too? in germany they changed crackerjacks voiceactor for this episode. maybe because bojack never heard him or bc something happened to the old voice actor
This is easily the best episode in the series in my opinion. It does a great job of synchronizing the plot of the show up till the very end. Just like the idea of life flashing before your eyes. Instead bits and pieces of his existence as we've known him came together in a beautiful tapestry painting the finish line for bojack to cross..... then they ruined it by making that the second to last episode.
Yeah this is NOT true death preparation this is near death confrontation think about it shady bojack doesn't die he gets closure with 1 parent not both because he thought his mom was a lost cause no one tells him the end is near in a kind way if what you say is true he could have been told it in a way he would accept jonny ceilos did give a more accurate title otherwise good vid as always
@@ShadyDoorags I would be most certainly asking you to guest star if I did do one in the future :D I would definitely want your opinion on what you consider the best/worst :)
Delayed video is delayed. The universe really didn't want me to make this video; my schedule was not on my side and I got sick during recording day. BUT I DO WHAT I WANT!!!
You know what? I'm done with you... I'm tired of running in circles (Try say that 5 time), and worst of all: this episode is creepy and dark. This show was supposed to be mature, but not that mature, and there is no other side, there is only darkness. Screw you!! 🖕👎 #LetMeIn
Glad you found time. ^^
Nice sound of music soundoff.
How dare you not reach the quota for my non-paid subscription?
@@chadkennedy7855 shut the fuck up
That moment when Bojack accepts his imminent doom and asks "Diane" how her day was is absolutely chilling
That's way BoJack let the darkness consume him, because there is no hell, there is only Darkness.
I think is also beautiful how much bojack loves Diane. Not even in a romatic way, she is the last thing in his mind and is not a gread speech. Just small talk.
@@albachan7014 She is a good friend to BoJack, because she helped him write the book about him. Ghostwriting, don't ask.
Adrian Naranjo I cried there. It is the most depressing and tragic moment for me in all of Bojack
@@benjaminwestholm5975 They should have banned seasons 6 for making fun of the Chicago Cubs... it's a no no and Netflix could have been sued by the team.
Also purple hydrangeas represent a desire to understand someone. Who does he give those to?
"For its appointed once for men to die then after this ..the judgment"
0:42 it's an F
Theres no way people with any sort of braincells just find this episode to be "okay." Lmao. This episode could honestly stand on its own.
I think the reason why CrackerJack was the one that was unsure about how to answer the questions he was asked was because he was the only character there that Bojack never knew. Bojack doesn’t know how he’d answer those questions so his brain just makes him unsure of everything.
Theres also the fact that many soliders, especially those as innocent and fresh and eventually disillusioned as WW1 and WW2 soliders were
I immediately think about the young soliders of All Quiet on The Western Front, most notably Paul and his skeptical, angered peers
These teens that dont know to what end their war efforts and all of the death they observe will actually come to
all the implications of the war and the devastation are all too broad to bring some meaning to
They didnt think of the glory as they soon found that they were mere puppets being marched off to their deaths.
He says something alike to "Thats too big of a thought for a little solider like me" in this episode, showing how there was never time for Crackerjack to ever really consider what it is he's actually dying for.
Not with a country he suddenly has to defend and a family to return to
Even as a solider, he had an almost blind ignorance and optimism that he'd never face death
He was optimistic with his war buddy, Sal/Sally (back in Times Arrow), telling him jovially that he cant wait to take a break from killing Nazis by grabbing a pint
What his death or his actual war experience wouldve done to him was never a thought or a question he bothered with
and thankfully, he was so tunnel visioned from the possibility of death that he never had to think of it before that bullet caught him.
So hes left in Bojacks idea of the afterlife,
with no real forethought into what his death actually meant
I have no supported knowledge of that being the intention, but its something i really appreciate about Crackerjacks inclusion at the dinner overall
it shows a l o t about the decisions and the implications behind soliders "duties" to their efforts, and how no one truly knows what they might be dying for until theyre already gone
Rozeh Kakes that’s a really good theory. There’s also the fact that he probably died at a really young age, probably younger than any of the other characters at the dinner party, meaning that he probably wasn’t old enough to get to the point where he was thinking about what is life meant and existential things like that. He just wanted to shoot some nazi’s.
Kirby Over Yonder But what about his friendly fire kills?
This is a really interesting theory!
I don’t know if anybody else pointed this out yet, but my personal favourite ‘Easter egg’ in the poem, is within the three verses Secretariat goes from third person in the first verse, then second person in the second verse, then finally too first person in the last verse.... 3..2..1...
Damn
It becomes more personal.
Holy shit that’s an amazing catch
I can’t get over how brilliantly written this show was. Only The Wire matches this insane level of detail and precision.
@@JimmySteller sopranos too
I think they were playing into the black tar line from season one heavily, considering the line "by the time you realize you're sinking, its too late.", which perfectly parallels the events of the episode, with bojack grappling and fighting only when hes too far gone, finally realizing what's happening to himself only when it's too late for him to stop it.
The tar is a metaphor for the corruptiong influence of showbusiness. This has nothing to do with the black goo here which is just the nothingness of death consuming all characters. The deaths of the people here mostly are not even related to showbusiness. Also, Bojack did already imagine the tar in a drug halluzination in "Downer-Ending" where it looked nothing like the black goo here.
Bojack is chill with being in the place till he realizes he cant go back. It was too late by the time he realized it.
@@ThePhantomLK "I can't! I'm stuck!" 😅😆
it always gets overlooked that herb didn't die of cancer... he died from PEANUTS "In 2015, Herb overcomes his cancer but is killed soon after in a car accident. He didn't sustain injuries from the accident itself but had crashed into a truck filled with peanuts to which he was deathly allergic."
Who the hell said that?!
@@chadkennedy7855 I think it was the guy that was in one episode of Law and Order that spoke at Herb's memorial service when they reveal a bench with his name on top of a hill.
@@JGD714 Ahhhh yes.... Henry Winkler. SVU. 2002. Thanks anyway. I guess cancer and allergies don't mix... 🤔😑😐
Also ever heard the show 'Happy Days"?
y’all do know that the guy from SVU is a joke right? Henry Wrinklier is famous for playing Arthur “The Fonz” Fonzarelli on Happy Days. Another nod is given to him by Fonzarelli being one of Hollyhocks dads.
@@pinkcashmere573 I see. That's why I watch the season 2 episode "Still Broken."
This is something I noticed during Beatrice and Crackerjack's final moments in the episode. After Crackerjack falls through the door, the black goo consumes Beatrice's ribbon and after a few seconds, it unravels and Beatrice is gone. Could be symbolic of how after Crackerjack's death, her life unraveled and fell apart. Just a thought.
holy shit
This is depressing :(
and she didn't fall through the door because dementia killed her mind while she was still alive. She disappeared before she physically died.
Not to mention she added that was the easy part. I wonder what she meant. Dementia was easy?
@@autobotrock4789 Not being is easy. Being is difficult.
There's an old saying that behind every cynic is a disappointed idealist, and I think that's what Crackerjack represents to Bojack. Crackerjack was just a normal, sweet-natured guy who was so excited to join the military and potentially be a hero, but he had no idea what he was really getting himself into. He wasn't prepared for the pressure placed on him, and what was probably a combination of lack of experience and fear led to him accidentally killing some of his comrades (he says that all of his kills were friendly fire) and not doing anything "heroic". Compare that to Bojack, who was also just a normal dude wanting to make his name in the world and was so starstruck at the possibility of being a great actor that he mishandled the responsibility that position gave him. And that gave rise to a lingering doubt as to whether it was really worth it. At least Crackerjack never had the chance to become the embittered old man Bojack later turned into... because he died young.
Tbh bojack never met crackerjack,that whole friendly fire was bojack self projecting
@@joaoribeiro2688 Maybe he felt like he needed to make Crackerjack imperfect in some way. Bojack did say he felt like he could never live up to him, so making him a well-intentioned screwup in his dying dream probably humanized him (if you'll pardon the expression).
@@amiefortman7220 that makes a lot of sense actually, he just wanted to feel more like someone he idolized
@@joaoribeiro2688 this is something that I'm kinda thinking atm but maybe the friendly fire line is more a nod about bojacks friends and how if every person at the table is a different part of bojacks subconscious maybe the friendly fire line was more about how bojack ended up hurting everyone he cared about
I think the “friendly fire” thing is a reference to how his death (and by extension his existence) only served to screw over the sugarman family (at least in Bojack’s eyes)
I was sobbing at the end of this episode.
Oh yeah same here!!
You're not a real BoJack fan if you're not wailing hysterically or trying to muffle yourself as you wail hysterically while the monitor flatlines.
Same. Literal ugly face crying.
"SAVOR YOUR FINAL MOMENTS!!!!!"
i felt you there. it was 3 in the morning and my family was asleep and i was hysterical.
Nice punch Shady, my face still hurts.
He a idiot. Do the breakdown on "Escape From L.A." and "The Showstopper" soon.
You two should seriously consider doing a colab episode
SHADY BOORAGS AND JOHNNY 2 CELLOS IN THE SAME COMMENT SECTION? WHAT IS THIS, A CROSSOVER EPISODE?
@@daccount1994 That never gets old. 😃😉😊 What are YOU doing here?!
I'm tired of running in circles. I'm tired of running in circles. I'm tired of running in circles. I'm tired of running in circles. I'm tired of running in circles.
According to people who have had near death experiences, while you’re dying it’s common to have extremely vivid dreams and hallucinations while your body is shutting down, especially of people in your life that already died. (I don’t think he actually did die though, he was saved just in time)
I think he did die but was brought back, I mean the heart monitor did stop, hinting his death, however the next episode they decided to pull the old switcheroo. He experienced a clinical death, not a biological death, lucky him.
That's not what you belive, that's what the episode is directly about.
@@jaymanlakes5402 the monitor beep was restarted on this same episode. Go listen to the entire credit sequence.
@@JGD714 Fuck you!
Chad Kennedy bruh what
I like the theory that Zach Braff is in a serving position because he was cannibalised by Jessica Biel...therein serving people.
Zach Braff is there because
A: He died
B: He was the focal point of a similar episode in Scrubs where, in a dream sequence, he met all the dead characters before leaving the series.
I didn't even think about the ending of scrubs but holy shit you're right!
His brother wasn't dead though in fact there were a lot of people in the episode you're talking that hadn't died.
I am going with the Harry Potter interpretation. “Of course it’s all in your head Harry. But why should that mean it isn’t real?”
When he said his water tasted like chlorine, that's when I put 2 and 2 together and realized that he was drowning just like the show's opening has shown him doing for the past 6 seasons.
It was good to see all of those deceased characters again, especially Herb and Sarah Lynn.
Bojack Horseman always had incredible episodes, but none had hit me as hard as this one. I entered a state of shock and felt like someone punched me in the guts all throughout.
It's, for me, the best episode, due to how close it hit home.
This episode left me shell-shocked and on edge like very few shows have made me feel. But it’s the finale of the series that made me cry like a baby, specifically watching Princess Carolyn like a proud mother and just bawling at how much she’s grown. Same for Diane, I never hated her like many members of the fan base do. She deserved her happiness with someone who accepts and cherishes her. I just cried and cried at how those two changed as people. And the goodbye between Diane and Bojack reminded me of when I have to say goodbye to high school friends, even the toxic ones. This show made me feel things I did not know possible. I’ll miss it.
I always found something endearing about that last phonecall he had with Diane before the goo overtook him.
That way he SAVOR HIS FINAL MOMENTS!!!!!
"Destruction reigns..."
"You, your TV career, AND ALL YOUR BULLSHIT FRIENDS AND FAMILY! CHAOS WILL DEVOUR YOU ALL!!!!"
"Pathetic..."
Bray Wyatt's favorite episode alongside "Downer Ending" because he like it dark and creepy. Once you enter his dark twisted world, there's no going back. #LetMeIn
@@chadkennedy7855 ...are you ok?
bojack's eyes dilated right when beatrice was eaten by the tar, perhaps meaning that he did had sorrow for her
right back to shock after it unfurls, definitely held onto some form of sympathy
I disagree about the tar! If only because so much focus is left on one's legacy in this episode, and what did tar do to all the prehistoric animals? It perfectly preserved them, after they wasted away in it. They suffered immeasurably, starving and burning and stuck...but today biologists get a better picture of extinct animals, and tourists get a show.
I love that additional aspect. I don't see how the answer couldn't be both. This episode is rich in nuance and so many different interpretations.
Wow I never thought of it like that but it makes a lot of sense
The poem that Secretariat reads is one of the most beautiful things I've ever heard.
Hans-edward Jaque
The poem is effective but mediocre, that delivery tho oh my gosh
One of the best anti-suicide PSA’s in existence too.
@@Myacckt As a writer I thought it was fantastic. If you see it written out in proper format it hits a different way!
I dont know why I always tear up when I hear Herb say "Oh Bojack, no. There is no other side. This is it." Its such a scary and sad thing to think of that there is a possibility of there being nothing after death.
When PB's house went underground with all the Hollywoo celebrities, they cannibalized Zack Braff. That's why he's in the episode, and also why he's the serving everyone else. I'm surprised this wasn't touched upon.
I realize Zach Braff is dead, but so are Joseph Sugarmen, Honey Sugarmen and Eddie's wife, yet they weren't in the episode. When asking why he was in the episode, I was talking about his purpose to the message of the episode, which, I don't think he has one, I just think he was there for laughs.
@@ShadyDoorags Too bad the Predator didn't show up and kill anyone.
@@ShadyDoorags he’d never met those people though
Some people have also speculated that the black goop is charcoal that’s being used to pump his stomach (note to when he spit up the goop on the dinnertable)
I realised something:
Remember the South Park episode where Britney Spears is sacrificed for harvest? Well, Sarah Lynn's arc is the child star's 'sacrifice' played realistically. The Britney episode finally makes sense!
I honestly could watch hours of you talking about this episode.
Somebody probably already said this but I thought it was interesting that while Bojack & Diane are on the phone, Bojack asks Diane how her day was & she replies, “Good. My day was good.” Which I believe is a call back to when Diane was staying with Bojack when she wouldn’t go home to Mr. Peanutbutter and she had just wished that she could go home and all Mr. Peanutbutter would say is, “how was your day?” And she would reply “good. My day was good.”
Crackerjack is probably one of the more interesting characters to be included in the View From Halfway Down since Bojack himself never met him. Of course what we can assume from the line "the Uncle I never met, and yet could never live up to" is that Beatrice would often bring Crackerjack up when raising Bojack as someone great that Bojack couldn't hold a candle to. To me this made the line "I'm not really sure what I did..." from Crackerjack in this episode very interesting. Bojack knew he was supposed to be someone "great" but he doesn't actually know about his exploits or what he actually is like.
Beatrice doesn't talk much because Bojack never knew what she wanted from life. He mentions it in Free Churro
This episode was so amazing. It was terrifying and heartbreaking yet beautiful. Only BoJack Horseman could’ve crafted something this genius.
Funnily enough, I think that permanent life is more frightening
I agree
The black goop is most definitely a reference to tar. It's too major a thing to just be a "coincidence".
No. The tar was already used in Bojacks drug hallucination in "Downer-Ending" where it looked completely different. That tar was a clear metaphor. It's about the corrupting influence of showbusiness. The black goo in this episode doesn't relate to that at all.
@@ThePhantomLK "I can't! I'm stuck!"
@@chadkennedy7855 Yeah, he said that in "Downer Ending". So what?
@@ThePhantomLK BoJack made 3 dumbest decision in season 1.
1: Stealing a box of muffin from a Navy SEAL and accidentally called troops jerks.
2: Leaving Todd at home while BoJack is away, which got Todd arrested.
3: Fired Diane so he could finish the book on his own, but it didn't go well after taking too many drugs.
@@chadkennedy7855 I know all of that, what does it have to do with what I'm saying?
That Hamilton reference was too much man. Asides from that though, this episode was phenomenal, and strangely enough, it didn’t feed into an existential crisis and far more intrigued me for its high quality, superb writing, intense climax and the best anti suicide scene in a show I’ve ever seen. It took the Bojack writers less than a couple minutes to write something so dark and impactful compared to the crooks that have tried and still failed when trying to connect to the teenage 13 reasons why audience 3 seasons in. Damn I still miss this show.
People ask why Zach Braff is there
I have no idea why would Corduroy mean anything to Bojack honestly
my stomach turned watching this. knots and knots in stomach, someone unbind.
That's why I'm not going to watch season 6 ever again. Too much, way too much.
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@@Johnny2Cellos Hey, what's up my man?!
IS THAT A HAMILTON REFFERENCE???
* lots of hamilton fans rush to the comments *
My favorite part? The hydrangea is poisonous to horses depending on how much it eats.
Bojack's dream has a *lot* of them lying around...
I gotta say: I really loved how the color palette of this episode also matched well with the backgrounds of your videos.
NOT SCIENTIFICALLY POSSIBLE!!!
What if the view from half way down was bojacks ending. The finale is just a visual representation of what the writers thought about what our brains needed to go through as our viewing also comes to an end. It has no clear conclusion but what each person takes away from it. It helps us come to terms with the end in our own ways
Honestly, I don’t think you can talk about this episode enough. There’s so much there, and I do think it’s the show’s magnum opus
7:54 Oh absolutely! It's also funny that Crackerjack is my favorite character from the show before I even realized Lin Manuel Miranda did his voice.
Also also, your little tribute at 7:58 gave me chills so thanks.
anyone else realize that it was a “reoccurring dream” from his past overdoses
I actually had a really s###ty day the day I saw it
And yet, this episode messed me up so much, I forgot all the BS it happened to me
That show was supposed to be mature, but not that mature...
Now for the real question. Do you think Bojack is dead for real? That the finale is just him accepting death and moving on?
I don't see any evidence alluding to the final episode being in Bojack's head.
@@ShadyDoorags I hate you...
Chad Kennedy - lmao wtf
Yeah for some reason, people really think Bojack is dead.
@Abigail Slaughter Oh, yeah?! The final episode of "Dinosaurs" was way too dark...
The poem changes tones at the halfway point! How is this episode so perfect?
You gave me a lot to think about. I never interpreted the episode as different parts of Bojack's brain being manifested to give himself a final peace before the end.
It is when you commit to the choice that you realize what you've done to yourself. It is when you begin to grasps death's cold hands that you wish you could go back. It is when you see the view from half way down that you see the bigger picture, as the birds do, as the dragons of legend once did. It is with this view, half way down, that you begin to realize what it all means, with no way to tell anyone else, because you're already half way down.
One of my favorite lines in the episode is right before he ran from the goo. The “wait, wait, wait....” was such good voice acting
Personally, I feel like the tar that Charlotte talks about in the beginning IS about Hollywoob from her PoV, but ultimately represents past BoJack, beautiful, seemingly great to be involved with but will drag you down if you put yourself into the position to allow it, plus in the dream, "he" tried to "come back" and take him in the end.
That Hollywood...
Near death experiences show that there not only is an afterlife, but you get to hang around a little before you go. For example, someone in a hospital had put his shoes on a windowsill, and a woman had an out of body experience and could see the shoes. In another, a woman could see a doctor operating on her body.
Who else cried for that end? I really really wanted to believe it was one of his trippy episodes. My brain did not accept his death as well. And when he makes peace with it and asks Diane "so how was your day" I almost just got wrecked
Is it just me, or is the second half of BoJack season 6, tonely, is nothing like what the series has ever done before. It hit really close to reality, nothing much to laugh at besides the occasional side gag or reference, but even then, it’s not that funny, but I guess there is nothing funny seeing a man’s life crumble apart.
Yeah, it's definitely the darkest, although I think it fits well. But at least the first half was fairly funny. I loved the reporter characters they really stole every scene they were in
Curran Frank yeah it was, just I wished it was a little more mixed in, rather than it being divied up into two parts
@@yellow_jacket3260 That's fair
best video for this episode. thanks for seeing the symbolism, not reaching for answers (hydrangeas), and the vincent adultman bit.
also finally noticed halfway through the episode is when he doesn't wake up and the dream transitions into the darker scenes, not the glorifying discussion.
Ugh. This episode still makes me ugly cry. 😭
I wonder... could the black ooze be something different for each character?
For Herb, it's the IV drip; for Bojack, alcohol.
For Sarah, the tar of Hollywoob; for Secretariat, water.
For Buttrscotch, ink; for Crackerjack, blood; for Beatrice, brain rot.
For Corduroy, ejac*****; for Zack, oil (because fracking).
I have thought, however, that Bojack and Sarah Lynn might both have the tar of Hollywoob. After all, the show compares them at every turn.
I’ve recently realised that the way each character drops into the abyss almost represents how each of them died.
Sarah Lynn takes a moment staring through the door (implying she was clinging to life in this 17 minutes), and then takes a breath like she’s jumping into a pool. I’ve read that overdosing feels like drowning or suffocating.
Corduroy swings in from a rope by his neck (pretty sure that doesn’t need explaining).
Secretariat has the door come closer and closer to him before he falls in kicking and screaming (combined with the poem it sums up the horror of staring death in the face and knowing you’re powerless to turn away).
Crackerjack gives a salute before jumping in (implying a fearlessness in the line of duty) and Beatrice is essentially pulled in by Crackerjack (symbolic of how her idyllic life began falling apart the day her brother died).
Herb slowly fades away after touching the void while being calm and almost reassuring to Bojack, perhaps suggesting he felt he’d accomplished all he wanted in his life and, if I may quote Harry Potter, “greeted Death like an old friend.”
Probably something loads of other people spotted, I just thought it was cool.
I don't think the finale is as controversial as you think. It has a 9.6 on IMDB, is widely regarded by most critics, and is generally beloved by the BoJack fan community. It's really just a vocal minority who think it should have ended with his suicide. Good video though.
My only complain on that episode was the beep at the end as traumatizing as it would have been, I would have preferred a complete continuous beep through the ending, then on the final episode, the two beeps at the hospital once he wakes up, have this been on TV the wait for the next episode would have been too much, but given the episode was right after would have been worth the wait
Lin-Manuel Miranda is always a win
I am hope when my time comes. It is paece end. Good work on the video.
I'm shocked that you haven't touched on the fact that secretarit's poem falls with him. More specifically the part showing regret. I think it reflects how to everyone else,they only saw a man wanting to end it all. But secretarit truly wanted to live by the time he saw the view from halfway down and unfortunately,he took that with him to the grave.
The thought of being lost in oblivion used to terrify me but after six years of ceaseless pain, I welcome it with arms wide open. I'd rather be nothing than continue to feel this crazy amount of pain. I snap at people when I don't mean to if I'm not paying 100% attention, pain is very cruel and unforgiving. If I was no longer existing the pain would not be there and all would be well
Don't forget another thing, Hydrangeas are poisonous to horses.
I usually love your videos but honestly, this episode was too dark for me. I have a horrible fear of death and this episode triggers my anxiety way too hard.
edit: I can’t watch this, I’m sorry
It's ok.
you’re okay. do what’s best for you
It was pure terror. This is an episode I probably cant watch again
Not going to watch season 6 again. So, who's with me?!
the detailing in this show is truly impeccable
I’ve said this in jhonny2cellos video but I’ll say it here he died in the finale and the finale is the view from halfway down the heartbeats sync up to when the series ends as in the flatline on the roof I’m not explaining this well but here you go
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So did herb die in a car crash or cancer?
He died from a peanut allergy, though it's possible the injuries from the car crash helped. His car crashed into a peanut stand and the peanuts covered his body.
Bruh
@@ShadyDoorags There's two things that they don't mix.
1. Cancer and Allergy
2. Texting and driving
I would believe that Zach Braff represented death with regret, but Secretariat seemed pretty regretful of suicide when reading his poem. Zach Braff just sorta seemed like some much-needed comic relief!
I believe Zach represented Bojacks ambitions and missed potential. That He still wanted to do a lot of things in his life but will never do because of his choice to go in the pool.
@@Reindeer-Pig Real shit. I see where you're coming from
When herb is entering oblivion and bojack says see you on the other side. As he pulls his hand out to tell him “there is no other side, that’s it” it shows how you can’t just go in and out of oblivion. That’s it, it’s final
There is only darkness... #LetMeIn
Also, in regard to the hydrangia, it leaks black water when he gives it to his mom and it is put down, which was a major hint.
(11:14) I think the way that Herb takes his hand out of the doorway and *STILL* gets taken by the tar/goo shows a representation of death. Although already accepting death. Herb showed some sort of resistance against death to get one thing across. I think it also represents the fact you CANT ESCAPE *DEATH.* Herb allowed the tar/goo to get him. So did everyone else. But when Bojacks turn came along. He tried to run. The tar/goo follows everyone. Until only bojack is left. He shows resistance, Hes just hit the veiw from halfway down, he dosent want to die. Thats why the tar/goo comes from every direction so aggressively in the end because its Bojacks time to go. Its bojacks veiw from halfway down.
Actually, regarding black goo:. When some people who were drowning and were rescued cough up water, it gets described as black goo (whether that's air pollution coming out of the lungs or what, I don't know).
8:01 nahhhh this took me out 😭
I've watched loads of these videos and they never talk about the chairs they sit on while watching the show. They may be meaningless but idk.
There’s a saying that when people die, a part of them lives on in our memories of them. I think Bojack watching all of these people that have deeply affected him fade into oblivion, is partially his brain recognizing that the parts of them that lived in his mind would be dying with him.
It’s probably nothing (I’ve never watched this show) but the poem has some characteristics of a sonnet. It’s 14 lines with a Volta ( a tonal shift ) on the 8th line. The beat is the same throughout and it’s all in rhyming couplets.
Wait was I supposed to find out crackerjack was voiced by Lin manual with a break down video or was no one gonna tell me???
Great analysis
- that Hamilton reference though !!!!!
fucking CHRIST
Man... I love these dream/ nightmare/coma based episodes. It's definitely my favorite way of revealing what's in the heads and hearts of individuals.
But Herb didn’t end up dying from cancer. He died from the peanut truck. So why did he talk about dying slowly remembering the drip
One of the biggest reasons this episode made me rethink everything about my life was how one of the topics at the dinner party was the definitions of sacrifice. For most of my life, I've lived it trying to serve everyone outside of myself because like Corduroy, I worried that doing anything for pleasure was toxic and would lead to hurting others. Like Sarah Lynn, I told myself everything would be okay as long as I didn't stop dancing and gave people what they wanted. Now, I don't know if I actually understand what sacrifice means anymore because of how while I'm still alive, I don't know if I've actually saved or produced anything good for anyone else. Maybe my whole life I'll keep wondering what sacrifice is supposed to mean for those who can't say for certain they've served the outside world.
Jesus I'm so sorry you cried thinking about this but my mom assured me biblical things like Jesus really happened and entropy is prove we never end that energy is never created or destroyed if you try that kinda research which I'm told has been possible though all human history maybe we both can move on from our fears
I think the tar reference was intentional. All those people are people who had some connection with him. Even if not directly. With Crackerjack and his mother, they're part of the curse his mother mentioned. How they'd never be happy. They were consumed by a tar they never had a chance to escape. And Herb, the others, and himself, the tar consumed them, his own toxicity consumed them. He ruined lives and even in his mind, as it breaks down and his final moments of consciousness play out, he doesn't even get the benefit of knowing his death would make anything better. And it makes sense because he has so much self loathing and hasn't reconciled with it. He can't believe in anything besides Oblivion until he can truly be better and not believe himself to be a tar dragging everyone else down. Also the sizzle sound implies a burning tar when it hits his head.
was craclerjacks voice different in english too? in germany they changed crackerjacks voiceactor for this episode. maybe because bojack never heard him or bc something happened to the old voice actor
This is easily the best episode in the series in my opinion. It does a great job of synchronizing the plot of the show up till the very end. Just like the idea of life flashing before your eyes. Instead bits and pieces of his existence as we've known him came together in a beautiful tapestry painting the finish line for bojack to cross..... then they ruined it by making that the second to last episode.
Yeah this is NOT true death preparation this is near death confrontation think about it shady bojack doesn't die he gets closure with 1 parent not both because he thought his mom was a lost cause no one tells him the end is near in a kind way if what you say is true he could have been told it in a way he would accept jonny ceilos did give a more accurate title otherwise good vid as always
Was there symbolism with Paige Sinclair
the last phonecall with 'diane' as he accepts that he is about to die makes me ugly cry every time
Yep... spot on.
Yo dude, where's my top 10 Bojack Horseman episodes video at?
@@ShadyDoorags I would be most certainly asking you to guest star if I did do one in the future :D I would definitely want your opinion on what you consider the best/worst :)
Sure thing, hit me up when it's time. Or use the bat signal, I respond to both.
Don't stop dancing always makes me cry
My theory is that the spirits are taking him on an adventure of grief before he passes on
Hey bro wasn't it the most beautiful episode in this show ??
🎶Don't stop dancing until you drown🎶