And his poem is supposed to describe his [supposed] feelings about his own suicide, jumping off the bridge into the water. It is supposed to also be how most people who attempt suicide via jumping feel, the sudden feeling of regret halfway down and hoping last minute you survive. That is also why when reading the poem, the door gets closer and closer: symbolism for his pov of the water approaching during the fall.
The heartbeat monitor starts beeping right after the point at which Netflix automatically starts the next episode. It’s apparently a critique from the creator who dislikes how Netflix skips over the names of the people who work on the show
@@thedarkangelthe2 I think that's stupid. Why should they leave it up to the viewer whether or not they want to not see the credits (leaving the skip button available and automatically skipping to the next episode are two different things) and giving the creators the credit they deserve.
Honestly the Emmys never care about the animation category, that's why Fox and Disney dominate it (Animation Domination HA!) I think Love, Death & Robots is the only Netflix show to win
The only people who find naruto above average are those who are new to anime, or those who have their nostalgia glasses on so tight they're fused to their skulls.
BoJack: Why won’t you go home? Diane: I should. I know I should. I wish I could just go home right now and crawl into bed and not have to talk about anything or explain anything. He would just say, “How was your day?” [...] And I wouldn’t have to say, “I’m sorry I left. I’m sorry I made things so difficult. I’m sorry I’m not the person I thought I was.” I would just say, *“My day was good.”*
Also notice how she says she wouldnt have to explain anything thats why she went to the phone with Diane so he didnt have to explain anything and could just talk with someone he cares about to find out that they are doing good. Thats all bojack wanted to know
not gonna lie. Secretariat's poem made me tear up. I can't think of anything scarier than going through with the suicide attempt, and half way finished with it, starts regretting what you did. That's terrifying for me
Kayama Koomori fear is paralyzing, sadness is painful, and anger can lead to dumb and dangerous decisions. But there is nothing more difficult to live with - or die with - than regret.
According to suicide survivors, pretty much all of them regret their decision from halfway down. Which is probably where the poem and the episode get their names.
Bruh Yeah, it's an archetype at this point, but that's because the brain goes into panic mode when faced with outcomes like that. Not like we're ever going to get the scoop from the ones who got what they wanted, and therefore have no regrets.
This might be the best episode of TV I've ever seen. The dread I felt once I realized what was happening. The anxiety of Bojack being unable to escape. The fear that permeates from that door of nothingness. The despair and sadness of Secretariat’s poem. And, to top it off, that final ominous yet also touching phone call with Diane as it all, seemingly, comes to an end. Wow, just wow.
fun fact: the reason why it’s called ‘the view from halfway down’ is because raphael bob-waksberg challenged himself to represent each letter of the alphabet with an episode. this one’s v.
@@matthewfortuna4464 He challenged himself to "alphabet challenge" so he had to use all the letters in the titles of episodes and the last letters that he never used were 'v' and 'x'.
19:25 They mentioned the dream earlier in the season! When he was talking to Doctor Champ, he said "yes, you've told me everything! Even the dream with the dinner party!"
I'm going to say it: The View from Halfway Down is the new Ozymandias. An episode that is 99% considered the best one of the show and one of the best episodes ever.
I don't know, it has some seriously stiff competition. It's an incredible episode, but Time's Arrow, Free Churro, Ruthie, Fish Out of Water, Stupid Piece of Shit... there are a lot of masterpiece episodes in this show. I don't think there's a consensus on any one.
Bob Buchko Oh its definitely top 3 at least. This episode for me was a godsend. I was seriously so close to killing myself and that poem actually stopped me. I’ve been battling depression and suicidal thoughts for years now, my mind always goes back to this episode when I think about killing myself. I’m not saying because of my personal preference that this episode is amazing, but for an episode for of a show to have this much impact, is absolutely amazing. Not only is it universally understood by many, but it is amazingly written and is a culmination of every theme in Bojack thats been presented. I still appreciate all the episodes you mention and absolutely love them, but this episode was absolutely terrific and nothing will beat it.
The View From Halfway Down and Free Churro are perfect episodes of televison. It's a shame of the notion animation has and how it's only for kids or stoner weirdos; animation is a creatively endless medium that can explore every concept and aspects of existence. It is definitely the new Ozymadias; 10/10 Oh and how Will Arnett didn't get an Emmy for his Free Churro 20 minute monologue is beyond me
onestly I want to get a tattoo of that poem. It reminded me why I go to therapy and how much I should be grateful that I got out of a very suicidal period in my life.
I'm so happy you guys noticed all the small nuances and references. From realizing it's always been hinted at Bojack's preferred suicide method of drowning. To realizing that everyone at the table was only Bojack's perspective of them. From Herb to Butterscotch/Secretariat and also his view on suicide and death. Chris's analysis of the poem actually made me realize that it was also about Bojack thinking he was too far gone. Amazing reaction guys!
If the bird leaves without injury though the bad luck can be reversed. If the bird is injured in your house it's bad luck. If the bird dies it means a close family member will die.
There're a lot of unsettling things/performances in this great episode but the most understated yet one most deserving of praise is Alison Brie's voice acting in those last moments. It's fucking scary on a very under-the-skin creepy level. It's calm, it's syrupy, it's distant yet so close, and so indifferent to the tragedy crashing all around it. Excellent work by an excellent performer.
People really sleep on the scene where Herb talks about the time he was gonna kill himself. When asked what he would if the nicks weren’t having a good season he said “idk. Maybe gotten into baseball.” It shows that he never really wanted to leave yet, and wanted to find any reason to keep on living. Not just because he didn’t want to die, but because he wanted to be remembered for something other than Horsin Around. That’s where his book came in. I also feel this line is a very good thing for people who are suicidal to hear.
There is no words that described more this episode than...haunting...it's truly haunting...The amount of reference from other episode and the multiple metaphor...What is trying to kill him is tar...what they are all eating is the last thing they had, Beatrice with hospital food, Crakerjack with military food, Sarah Lynn with fast food, Lemon for Corderoy, peanut for Herbs whos allergic to it...pool water and pills for Bojack...also the bird at the beginning is a cardinal, symbol of life burning away( they are chasing away life itself) ...the plant is a symbol of forgiveness and apology in the end it's getting messy...It's insane the amount of work ! The lyrics of Sarah Lynn song is what Bojack told her under the table...truly haunting in so many ways !
Jean-Philippe Doyon the plant it’s also poisonous to horses, showing how despite Bojack’s good Intentions he (or at least that’s what Bojack thinker) caused more harm than good.
It is less haunting the second time after Bojack survived in the next episode. At least, that is how Mr. Enter would view it seeing as the death fake-out is his least favorite cliche and he can not believe a show as brilliant as Bojack Horseman would stoop so low to it. Now all of the stakes and all of the tension evaporate instantly! April 10, 2020, 9:57pm
The fist time I watched this episode, I had to pause it so that I could openly weep when I reached Secretariat's poem. "The View From Halfway Down" literally halted my Bojack binge for a full 10 minutes as I wept over the tragedy of Bojack's wasted life.
My favorite minor callback in this episode is that the painting bojack always had in his house of the one horse looking at the horse in the pool (the painting that bojack thought was about him) can be seen on the wall during this episode, except the horse in the pool has drowned
Sarah Lynn: Dies full of confidence thinking that she will just wake up with another hangover as always. Corderoy: Dies while he is "playing" with the ropes. Zach Braff: Dies when he tries to give a speech, his life is interrupted. Secretariat: Dies full of regretment for jump the bridge. Crakerjack: Dies after being drop as a paratrooper in the WW2 (probably he was killed in the D-Day). Beatrice: Dies after fading for the senile dementia. Herb: Dies suffering an allergic shock that attacks his entire body.
There's a small detail you may have missed. Crackerjack went to war willingly, and the same comes when he embraces his end. But his tie to Beatrice is ultimately the string that begins pulling her apart. She doesn't fall through the door, she unravels until there's nothing left. She was hollow inside, with just a ragged wisp being pulled under by the weight of her brother's end. Since that wisp was really the only part of her Bojack actually knew, it was the only part of her he sees disappearing into oblivion.
15:36 look at all of these different reactions, looks what incredible writing can do to people. From left to right: admiration, despair, awe, shock, grief, anger, all from the same experience. Honestly one of the most incredible pieces of writing ever, and still leaves me sobbing no matter how many times I watch it.
The weak breeze whispers nothing The water screams sublime His feet shift, teeter-totter Deep breath, stand back, it’s time Toes untouch the overpass Soon he’s water bound Eyes locked shut but peek to see The view from halfway down A little wind, a summer sun A river rich and regal A flood of fond endorphins Brings a calm that knows no equal You’re flying now You see things much more clear Than from the ground It’s all okay, or it would be Were you not now halfway down Thrash to break from gravity What now could slow the drop All I’d give for toes to touch The safety back at top But this is it, the deed is done Silence drowns the sound Before I leaped I should’ve seen The view from halfway down I really should’ve thought about The view from halfway down I wish I could’ve known about The view from halfway down
@@uploader109 And each change in POV represents a different state of mind in the narrator. 3rd person - narrator is speaking to himself in soliloquy (indifference, detachment from himself to show how little the narrator values his own life at that moment). 2nd person - narrator is speaking ABOUT himself (conflict - what he thought suicide would do for him was not what he expected, he begins to have a bit more appreciation for his own life) 1st person - narrator is speaking (regret, but acceptance because it is too late. The regret is not for the decision to jump, but that he could not find that appreciation for his own life when he was at the top).
The poem by secretariat is something impossible for me to listen to without completely breaking down. I remember my most successful suicide attempt in the past by drug overdose. I remember the sickness. Laying in bed as the seizure started. I couldn't feel my body I couldbt think I just felt pure overwhelming terror. A fear I'd never thought was possible to feel. All I could do was cry my eyes out as I kept seizing up trying to even whisper a prayer to whatever god could help me but not able to say anything. I survived. But I swear when you hit that view from halfway down it's something you'll never forget.
the picture where bojack looks at himself drowning in the pool (4:34) made an appearance throughout the show, I always wondered what it meant and now it finally made sense.. amazing storytelling
You guys catched up to what was happening so fast, i literally did not get it until the smoking scene with secretariat... BEST episode of a tv series i've ever watched, bojack goes down with the greatest!
The way every person went through the door was a metaphor for how they died. Sara Lynne goes in backwards, because she didn't see it coming. Bojack's mom disappeared before going into the door, just like someone with Alzheimer's. Secretariat is pushed in unwillingly, just like he felt half way down. Herb's body was slowly consumed, just like his cancer. Finally, Bojack drowns in the blackness.
A bird in the house is supposed to be bad luck. The group are eating the last things they had before they died(Braff died as food, so he serves the guests). Bojack told Sarah Lynn "don't stop dancing"in their first episode when she was a child. Bojack combines Butterscotch with Secretariat because he had a lot of tension towards his father, while he looked up to Secretariat. Bojack also wanted his father to be a writer finally(hence his last poem). Herb most likely says there is no other side because thats what Bojack believes.
Quite possibly the single best piece of TV that I've seen this year. I was tearing up, my wife was full-on crying. If you guys are looking to replace BoJack Horseman with another show that barely anybody is reacting to, how about checking out "Inside No 9"? It's a British anthology, "twist-in-the-tail" show, a little like Black Mirror but instead of technology, it's speciality is black comedy, sometimes straight comedy-drama, occasionally it skirts the border of horror. At only 30 minutes each episode, 6 episodes per series and only 5 series (plus 1 special episode), it's well worth a watch.
I know I'm really late to this and you probably won't see this but the poem "The View From HalfWay Down" Goes from the 3rd person, 2nd person and then 1st person. 3. 2. 1... Then he jumps.
This is the first "Bojack Horseman" episode I've watched where I didn't laugh at all... ...I spent most of the episode pretty much crying. Anyone who's lost someone intimately close like an immediate family member (In my case, two of them) has at some point pondered what that family member went through in their head. This view of it by Bojack was scary. And while the six of you are at ages where (barring circumstances) death isn't coming for you for a good long time, once you get into your 40s/50s and a little into your 60s you realize you are mortal and that it is only a matter of time before it's the end. Obviously you don't dwell on it, and if you are lucky to have a bf/gf, spouse and/or children, they are the best solace (then again, having caring people in your life, in general. is the best solace); but man, when you ponder your mortality, it really can be terrifying.
It took them so long to get that he was dying. I had the suspicion he was when he entered the house and I KNEW he was the second he said “does anyone else’s water taste like chlorine?”
screw Netflix for autoplay and making everyone run to go "pause it pause it pause it pause it!" rather than being able to take in the final moments of the episode
I'm just happy that there is a channel out there reacting to one of the best shows ever made. Everyone else is apparently sleeping on this. Can't wait to see you react to the final episode!
When herb was introducing bojack, it was all the things bojack thinks about himself and his insecurities. When bojack said "see you on the other side" that was bojack trying to reassure himself that there will be an afterlife, but herb once again reveals bojack innermost thoughts, that bojack knows deep down that there is no other side. And I think that hit me more than anything in this episode.
Them saying, "Maybe this one will be happy." Me: *cackles* You're in danger. And everyone was in thehouse, I knew he was dead. When he mentioned chlorine, that when I figured he died in the pool after taking the meds.
the door getting closer to secretariat represent the water as he was falling, zach braff telling what he didn't do represent the fear of dying before completing the bucket list question, was bojack hoping for an afterlife when he said to herb "see you on the other side", then bojack conflicted with his atheism when herb said "there is no other side, this is it"?
I think it's more like the reference to Becker in free churro, when you die it's over and you are out of chances, even if there's an after life its not life
Not true though, he said "We're all going to get to experience it", but experiencing something requires a consciousness, which requires your brain to be functioning. So if you're dead you can't experience anything so his statement can't be true. Unless he talked about the experience of the dying process and not actually being dead?
If you wanted to understand the meaning of all the other things in the episode like the bird that flew in the house, I'd recommend watching Johnny 2 Cellos' video on this episode (I'd also recommend his channel in general).
That episode, to me, was the greatest episode in the entire series. Who would of thought a show about anamorphic animal celebrities could dish out such amazing storytelling
i clicked on this video so fast almost broke my mouse. Definitely wasn't ready for my feels to get kicked in the urethra like this, but was totally expecting it.
Haha yeah, but I didn't expect them to go back to the episode right at the end of the video. I was still watching when I commented and it was only about a minute after I commented that they did that.
10:27 “a song you taught me when i was small. Dont stop dancin till the curtain falls” This line is a throwback to the time BoJack told Sarah Lynn to always give the people what they want, This whole episode is pretty philosophical in nature and i love it. I also love seeing the first time reactions bc ive seen the series over too many times to be surprised at any of it.
A few weeks ago, I was rewatching an episode from an earlier season (back when BoJack's life was going relatively well )when my roommate walked in and saw me. She wanted to watch the rest of the episode with me, and she ended up really enjoying the sit-com feel. She asked for my opinion if I thought watching the rest of the series would be worth it. A part of me really wanted to recommend the show to her, but knowing the show's increasingly morbid themes of life, along with the fact that my friend constantly suffers from moderate to severe anxiety and depression, I told her that the rest of the show wasn't as good as the first season and that it would probably disappoint her.
I like how because of the 17 minutes, it parallells how sara lynn must have felt when she was dying. Slowly, and realizing that no one was going to save her. Because Bojack was hoping Dianne would save him, i assume they also did this to show that Sara Lynn definitely had a similar thing with Bojack, hoping he woule call the cops or save her but realizing thay for whatever reason, she wasnt going to be saved.
The painting in the lounge is the one of the Narcissus Myth with the horse in the pool (the one in BoJack's study); this one shown in this episode has the horse dead in a pool.
14:55 "God, THAT was the last thing he did." Peter Sellers' final film was "The Fiendish Plot of Dr. Fu Manchu". He died of a heart attack after he finished filming and he never got to live it down.
jajaj nee that was just a joke XD, The real meaning of the bird in this episode comes from an ancient belief. It is said that if a bird enters your house it is se, to the one of bad omen, but if it dies within it means death. At the beginning of the episode it seems that the bird escapes, but if you check you will notice that heel falls out. That is why he then returns and is caught by that tar and ends up dying inside the house.
Fun fact: There's a superstition that getting a bird inside your home means good luck, however if the bird dies before leaving the house, it means death is imminent.
My favourite thing about the poem is the fact that it starts at the third person, goes into second person and finally first person. And as this is happening, as the poem gets more personal, the door gets closer. Just as Secretariat’s body got closer and closer to the water when he jumped from the bridge.
I binged this entire series just for the moment at 16:18. In the first episode, everyone was having a good time watching the silly horse show. This is why I love Bojack. It has these high moments, silly inconsequential plot points, but then it drags you into the depths. This episode is the culmination of the entire show. Bojack’s relationships with everyone who he’s lost. From those he hardly knew, like Crackerjack and Corduroy to the people he knew better than anyone like Herb and Sarah Lynn.
Every tiny detail of this episode, from the visual hints towards the ending, the metaphorical representations, the lines calling back to important details, the food being their last meals, everything. It’s perfect.
That person who relapsed after this episode was definitely following a motivated reasoning. It's something we do. We change the thought pattern in order to justify satiating the cravings. Saying "this episode made me throw away 3 months of sobriety" is a deflection. The episode is so much about why it's worth it to keep pushing forward, why it shouldn't get thrown away. But they felt stressed and went back to their security blanket.
I am also happy that you stuck with it, all the others who started it either didn't get it or were expecting just a comedy. It has been a blast to re-watch the show with you guys. Can't wait to see your finale reaction. And Thanks. (Cheers from Ottawa, ON) Also: Those damn cartoon onions again.
Jareth The Goblin King true, but the way that Honey Sugarman and Beatrice were *was* because of Cracker Jack's death. If he didn't die early + Joseph Sugarman didn't have the former lobotomised, that family would have been very different.
The bird flying around in the house could be him seeing a nurse saving him. But at least in the south U.S., a bird flying into the house is a representation of death.
I think in the fist episode of the season, when bojack is talking to doctor champ he mentions the recurring dinner party dream, I think it's referring to this
Fun fact: CrackerJack Horseman is voiced by Lin Manuel Miranda, t same guy who composes music for Disney and created two famous musicals known as: ‘Hamilton’ & ‘In The Heights’
The cool thing is. Bojack found out he was dead 17 minutes into the episode, the same
amount of time he left Sarah-Lynn in the planetarium
bro...... this show. Also you are the 420th comment. do with that what you will
The Normies dude Im from the netherlands I’m gonna get me some to celebrate. Love your channel guys, you’re great👍🏻🤘🏻
@@Thenormies Ever play BlazBlue, you jackass?
"Coincidence? I think NOT!"-Bernie Kropp, The Incredibles
@@Adamkalb1 What the hell you talkin about?!
Secreteriat/butterscotch wrote an incredible poem, because bojack wanted his father to be a good writer.
Omg quit making it more sad
NOW I’M CRYING EVEN MORE
God I almost forgot about that 😭 just when I think I’ve removed all the layers of this show there’s another layer...that’s too much man
And his poem is supposed to describe his [supposed] feelings about his own suicide, jumping off the bridge into the water. It is supposed to also be how most people who attempt suicide via jumping feel, the sudden feeling of regret halfway down and hoping last minute you survive. That is also why when reading the poem, the door gets closer and closer: symbolism for his pov of the water approaching during the fall.
Omggggg what a cool take ! Thanks man
"this water tastes like chlorine" he was drowning in the pool, damn.
Something they told us would happen in every episode.
How'd they guess that so fast?
No shit
Even after braff trades in his chlorine water, it's still chlorine he ends up drinking
RIGHT i realized that when i rewatched it
The heartbeat monitor starts beeping right after the point at which Netflix automatically starts the next episode. It’s apparently a critique from the creator who dislikes how Netflix skips over the names of the people who work on the show
#ScrewNetflix
Good news! You can choose to not autoplay now! You have to go into the website's settings
@@thedarkangelthe2 Nice.
@@thedarkangelthe2 I think that's stupid. Why should they leave it up to the viewer whether or not they want to not see the credits (leaving the skip button available and automatically skipping to the next episode are two different things) and giving the creators the credit they deserve.
@@manband20 I can't believe Netflix made the decision for the Show creator and it really pissed him off!
This show is a masterpiece. The fact that it hasn't won an Emmy is a travesty
Honestly the Emmys never care about the animation category, that's why Fox and Disney dominate it (Animation Domination HA!) I think Love, Death & Robots is the only Netflix show to win
Maybe this episode will
More channels should be reacting to this but no no they all are wasting time on naruto but masterpieces like this slip by unnoticed.
Hunter Donner the early Naruto is a masterpiece
The only people who find naruto above average are those who are new to anime, or those who have their nostalgia glasses on so tight they're fused to their skulls.
BoJack: Why won’t you go home?
Diane: I should. I know I should. I wish I could just go home right now and crawl into bed and not have to talk about anything or explain anything. He would just say, “How was your day?” [...] And I wouldn’t have to say, “I’m sorry I left. I’m sorry I made things so difficult. I’m sorry I’m not the person I thought I was.” I would just say, *“My day was good.”*
Wow!! I missed that connection.
It’s beautiful that Bojack’s last thought was about Diane
Every character has been repeating the same conversation with Bojack since episode one, including Diane.
Also notice how she says she wouldnt have to explain anything thats why she went to the phone with Diane so he didnt have to explain anything and could just talk with someone he cares about to find out that they are doing good. Thats all bojack wanted to know
@@msgbbx1860 Except the voicemail he left her would indicate otherwise
not gonna lie. Secretariat's poem made me tear up. I can't think of anything scarier than going through with the suicide attempt, and half way finished with it, starts regretting what you did. That's terrifying for me
Kayama Koomori fear is paralyzing, sadness is painful, and anger can lead to dumb and dangerous decisions. But there is nothing more difficult to live with - or die with - than regret.
According to suicide survivors, pretty much all of them regret their decision from halfway down. Which is probably where the poem and the episode get their names.
Bruh
Yeah, it's an archetype at this point, but that's because the brain goes into panic mode when faced with outcomes like that. Not like we're ever going to get the scoop from the ones who got what they wanted, and therefore have no regrets.
“My day was good” makes me tear up even seeing just the clip of it.
@@hammyboy2417 Well I mean...they kind of have to, don't they??? That sounds like a rigged statistic.
This might be the best episode of TV I've ever seen. The dread I felt once I realized what was happening. The anxiety of Bojack being unable to escape. The fear that permeates from that door of nothingness. The despair and sadness of Secretariat’s poem. And, to top it off, that final ominous yet also touching phone call with Diane as it all, seemingly, comes to an end. Wow, just wow.
Still 10/10 on IMDB...top episode of a show ever...When it fight for top spot with the last episode of Chernobyl...
I love this episode soo much every moment is just so good!
It's up there with Made in America, Ozymandias, and 407 Proxy Authentication Required
@@jean-philippedoyon9904 unfortunately it dropped to 9.9
you have to watch evangelion. its better than this.
fun fact: the reason why it’s called ‘the view from halfway down’ is because raphael bob-waksberg challenged himself to represent each letter of the alphabet with an episode. this one’s v.
I'm sorry WHAT
Breaking Freedom xerox of a xerox, view from halfway down and so on
I NEVER KNEW THIS
@@matthewfortuna4464 He challenged himself to "alphabet challenge" so he had to use all the letters in the titles of episodes and the last letters that he never used were 'v' and 'x'.
miNoRu 18 it starts with a t though
"A song you taught me when I was small"
Sarah Lynn's first scene has Bojack telling her as a kid "you don't stop dancing"
This, Times Arrow and Free Churro have actually altered how I view life..
Same man. I really feel what you say.
Ruthie and the old sugarman place too 🖤🖤
Same here
19:25
They mentioned the dream earlier in the season! When he was talking to Doctor Champ, he said "yes, you've told me everything! Even the dream with the dinner party!"
I'm going to say it: The View from Halfway Down is the new Ozymandias. An episode that is 99% considered the best one of the show and one of the best episodes ever.
I don't know, it has some seriously stiff competition. It's an incredible episode, but Time's Arrow, Free Churro, Ruthie, Fish Out of Water, Stupid Piece of Shit... there are a lot of masterpiece episodes in this show. I don't think there's a consensus on any one.
@@Steelburgh Also, The Show Stopper. 6x15 is probably the darkest tho
@@Steelburgh The old sugarman place as well. I think that's also one of the best episodes.
Bob Buchko Oh its definitely top 3 at least. This episode for me was a godsend. I was seriously so close to killing myself and that poem actually stopped me. I’ve been battling depression and suicidal thoughts for years now, my mind always goes back to this episode when I think about killing myself.
I’m not saying because of my personal preference that this episode is amazing, but for an episode for of a show to have this much impact, is absolutely amazing. Not only is it universally understood by many, but it is amazingly written and is a culmination of every theme in Bojack thats been presented.
I still appreciate all the episodes you mention and absolutely love them, but this episode was absolutely terrific and nothing will beat it.
The View From Halfway Down and Free Churro are perfect episodes of televison. It's a shame of the notion animation has and how it's only for kids or stoner weirdos; animation is a creatively endless medium that can explore every concept and aspects of existence. It is definitely the new Ozymadias; 10/10
Oh and how Will Arnett didn't get an Emmy for his Free Churro 20 minute monologue is beyond me
That poem still haunts me. As these are the final thoughts of someone about to commit suicide.
geardog24 not could be. It IS.
Statistically it is. Almost every person who survives jumping off of a bridge reports immediately feeling regret
onestly I want to get a tattoo of that poem. It reminded me why I go to therapy and how much I should be grateful that I got out of a very suicidal period in my life.
I am interested on that small portion of people who dont regret the jump
@@luigikart222 "I REGRET NOTHING"
This episode is nothing short of a masterpiece. Secretariat's poem and Sara Lynn's final song shook me to my core.
I'm so happy you guys noticed all the small nuances and references. From realizing it's always been hinted at Bojack's preferred suicide method of drowning. To realizing that everyone at the table was only Bojack's perspective of them. From Herb to Butterscotch/Secretariat and also his view on suicide and death. Chris's analysis of the poem actually made me realize that it was also about Bojack thinking he was too far gone. Amazing reaction guys!
Birds flying in the house represent a bad omen
Bird/s inside a house in dream represent a good omen it means a good news on the way but if bird dies inside the house it means death of somebody
Also a possible Holy Mountain reference
@@overlookers i think its from greek mythology it means death in family
And the bird dying in the house is also one
If the bird leaves without injury though the bad luck can be reversed. If the bird is injured in your house it's bad luck. If the bird dies it means a close family member will die.
There're a lot of unsettling things/performances in this great episode but the most understated yet one most deserving of praise is Alison Brie's voice acting in those last moments. It's fucking scary on a very under-the-skin creepy level. It's calm, it's syrupy, it's distant yet so close, and so indifferent to the tragedy crashing all around it. Excellent work by an excellent performer.
People really sleep on the scene where Herb talks about the time he was gonna kill himself. When asked what he would if the nicks weren’t having a good season he said “idk. Maybe gotten into baseball.” It shows that he never really wanted to leave yet, and wanted to find any reason to keep on living. Not just because he didn’t want to die, but because he wanted to be remembered for something other than Horsin Around. That’s where his book came in. I also feel this line is a very good thing for people who are suicidal to hear.
There is no words that described more this episode than...haunting...it's truly haunting...The amount of reference from other episode and the multiple metaphor...What is trying to kill him is tar...what they are all eating is the last thing they had, Beatrice with hospital food, Crakerjack with military food, Sarah Lynn with fast food, Lemon for Corderoy, peanut for Herbs whos allergic to it...pool water and pills for Bojack...also the bird at the beginning is a cardinal, symbol of life burning away( they are chasing away life itself) ...the plant is a symbol of forgiveness and apology in the end it's getting messy...It's insane the amount of work ! The lyrics of Sarah Lynn song is what Bojack told her under the table...truly haunting in so many ways !
this plant at the beginning actually is like a poison for horses.
Jean-Philippe Doyon the plant it’s also poisonous to horses, showing how despite Bojack’s good Intentions he (or at least that’s what Bojack thinker) caused more harm than good.
That's why I'll never watch this episode or all of season 6 ever again.
It is less haunting the second time after Bojack survived in the next episode. At least, that is how Mr. Enter would view it seeing as the death fake-out is his least favorite cliche and he can not believe a show as brilliant as Bojack Horseman would stoop so low to it. Now all of the stakes and all of the tension evaporate instantly! April 10, 2020, 9:57pm
@@chadkennedy7855 because it's too dark???? that's a dumb excuse
Secretariat' poem goes from 3rd person perspective, to 2nd, to 1st
Yeah, it’s like a countdown
And the door to the abyss gets closer and closer to him with each stanza he reads
The fist time I watched this episode, I had to pause it so that I could openly weep when I reached Secretariat's poem. "The View From Halfway Down" literally halted my Bojack binge for a full 10 minutes as I wept over the tragedy of Bojack's wasted life.
Notice how Herb didn’t say “brother to Hollyhock” when introducing Bojack
... what are you hinting at?
@@Sweet_Venom0027 Hollyhock "disowned" him. That's what the letter was supposed to show, she cut off all ties to him.
Hollyhock wanted him out of his life
@@anaphielas That's one of the reason why he lied to her.
Why do I gotta notice this again....
My favorite minor callback in this episode is that the painting bojack always had in his house of the one horse looking at the horse in the pool (the painting that bojack thought was about him) can be seen on the wall during this episode, except the horse in the pool has drowned
“The second to last one is always the downer.” Lol, you had no idea.
Like Todd say: "Downer Ending!"
Sarah Lynn: Dies full of confidence thinking that she will just wake up with another hangover as always.
Corderoy: Dies while he is "playing" with the ropes.
Zach Braff: Dies when he tries to give a speech, his life is interrupted.
Secretariat: Dies full of regretment for jump the bridge.
Crakerjack: Dies after being drop as a paratrooper in the WW2 (probably he was killed in the D-Day).
Beatrice: Dies after fading for the senile dementia.
Herb: Dies suffering an allergic shock that attacks his entire body.
There's a small detail you may have missed. Crackerjack went to war willingly, and the same comes when he embraces his end. But his tie to Beatrice is ultimately the string that begins pulling her apart. She doesn't fall through the door, she unravels until there's nothing left. She was hollow inside, with just a ragged wisp being pulled under by the weight of her brother's end. Since that wisp was really the only part of her Bojack actually knew, it was the only part of her he sees disappearing into oblivion.
Herb didn’t die from cancer though, he crashed into something filled with peanuts (he was allergic)
@@umproducciones1293 he was driving a truck
Bojack brought Sara lyn to the house, representing how bojack feels that he is the one who brought Sara lyn to her death
15:36 look at all of these different reactions, looks what incredible writing can do to people.
From left to right: admiration, despair, awe, shock, grief, anger, all from the same experience.
Honestly one of the most incredible pieces of writing ever, and still leaves me sobbing no matter how many times I watch it.
i really still cannot watch this episode without crying
I'll never watch season 6 ever again.
me too
The weak breeze whispers nothing
The water screams sublime
His feet shift, teeter-totter
Deep breath, stand back, it’s time
Toes untouch the overpass
Soon he’s water bound
Eyes locked shut but peek to see
The view from halfway down
A little wind, a summer sun
A river rich and regal
A flood of fond endorphins
Brings a calm that knows no equal
You’re flying now
You see things much more clear
Than from the ground
It’s all okay, or it would be
Were you not now halfway down
Thrash to break from gravity
What now could slow the drop
All I’d give for toes to touch
The safety back at top
But this is it, the deed is done
Silence drowns the sound
Before I leaped I should’ve seen
The view from halfway down
I really should’ve thought about
The view from halfway down
I wish I could’ve known about
The view from halfway down
#LetMeIn
Third person, Second Person, First Person.
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@@uploader109 holy shit n-
@@uploader109 And each change in POV represents a different state of mind in the narrator.
3rd person - narrator is speaking to himself in soliloquy (indifference, detachment from himself to show how little the narrator values his own life at that moment).
2nd person - narrator is speaking ABOUT himself (conflict - what he thought suicide would do for him was not what he expected, he begins to have a bit more appreciation for his own life)
1st person - narrator is speaking (regret, but acceptance because it is too late. The regret is not for the decision to jump, but that he could not find that appreciation for his own life when he was at the top).
The poem by secretariat is something impossible for me to listen to without completely breaking down. I remember my most successful suicide attempt in the past by drug overdose. I remember the sickness. Laying in bed as the seizure started. I couldn't feel my body I couldbt think I just felt pure overwhelming terror. A fear I'd never thought was possible to feel. All I could do was cry my eyes out as I kept seizing up trying to even whisper a prayer to whatever god could help me but not able to say anything. I survived. But I swear when you hit that view from halfway down it's something you'll never forget.
.. fuck. That’s visceral. I am pleased you’re here dude x you’re brave.
the picture where bojack looks at himself drowning in the pool (4:34) made an appearance throughout the show, I always wondered what it meant and now it finally made sense.. amazing storytelling
it is also based on a very highly valued real painting: www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-46232870
Yeah, and seeing how they even changed it so that in that shot the horse has actually drowned is such a minor but haunting detail.
when bojack finally looks at himself in the pool and starts to panic and his final acceptance with the diana on the phone...... man it hits hard.
Maxwell W ah, yes - princess Diana.
You mean Bobo the angsty Zebra?
@@monkeonthee You three are idiots.
@@chadkennedy7855 I hope I missed a reference you're making, because they actually made some witty comments about a typo.
That's why he SAVOR HIS FINAL MOMENTS!!!
10:48 The way Corduroy Jackson Jackson goes limp like he did when he died is haunting
You guys catched up to what was happening so fast, i literally did not get it until the smoking scene with secretariat... BEST episode of a tv series i've ever watched, bojack goes down with the greatest!
26:30 that moment when pure sadness turns to pure happiness.
The way every person went through the door was a metaphor for how they died. Sara Lynne goes in backwards, because she didn't see it coming. Bojack's mom disappeared before going into the door, just like someone with Alzheimer's. Secretariat is pushed in unwillingly, just like he felt half way down. Herb's body was slowly consumed, just like his cancer. Finally, Bojack drowns in the blackness.
That's because there is no other side, there is only darkness.
Sarah lynn just wanted to be an architect and she gave her life for show business. She didn't stop dancing just like bojack taught her.
Such a tragic character.
And Bojack brought Sarah lynn to the mansion just like how he brought her to death.
Teared up hearing the poem a second time, so beautiful and tragic :/
A bird in the house is supposed to be bad luck.
The group are eating the last things they had before they died(Braff died as food, so he serves the guests).
Bojack told Sarah Lynn "don't stop dancing"in their first episode when she was a child.
Bojack combines Butterscotch with Secretariat because he had a lot of tension towards his father, while he looked up to Secretariat.
Bojack also wanted his father to be a writer finally(hence his last poem).
Herb most likely says there is no other side because thats what Bojack believes.
Correction: Zach Braff got both eaten and fired
THE FIRE IS MY NEW GOD
@Matthew Fortuna I never noticed that! I got so caught up in the overarching them I didn’t pick up on those hints. Thank you!
Quite possibly the single best piece of TV that I've seen this year.
I was tearing up, my wife was full-on crying.
If you guys are looking to replace BoJack Horseman with another show that barely anybody is reacting to, how about checking out "Inside No 9"?
It's a British anthology, "twist-in-the-tail" show, a little like Black Mirror but instead of technology, it's speciality is black comedy, sometimes straight comedy-drama, occasionally it skirts the border of horror.
At only 30 minutes each episode, 6 episodes per series and only 5 series (plus 1 special episode), it's well worth a watch.
I know I'm really late to this and you probably won't see this but the poem "The View From HalfWay Down" Goes from the 3rd person, 2nd person and then 1st person.
3. 2. 1... Then he jumps.
This episode is kind of like a short horror movie.
They should have banned that episode and all of season 6 of that popular show.
Eh ?
@@Saoirse_don_Phalaistín Oh for god sake.
@@chadkennedy7855 what?
@@Saoirse_don_Phalaistín I'm not going to repeat myself.
26:38 is the happiest I think I've ever seen him
He's often this cheeful
That was adorable
8:50 Bojack’s chair is a casket
picklehari And they never noticed.
Aswell as a pool floatie
Fear The Undertaker!
This is the first "Bojack Horseman" episode I've watched where I didn't laugh at all...
...I spent most of the episode pretty much crying. Anyone who's lost someone intimately close like an immediate family member (In my case, two of them) has at some point pondered what that family member went through in their head. This view of it by Bojack was scary. And while the six of you are at ages where (barring circumstances) death isn't coming for you for a good long time, once you get into your 40s/50s and a little into your 60s you realize you are mortal and that it is only a matter of time before it's the end. Obviously you don't dwell on it, and if you are lucky to have a bf/gf, spouse and/or children, they are the best solace (then again, having caring people in your life, in general. is the best solace); but man, when you ponder your mortality, it really can be terrifying.
Well, I already am pondering my mortality- Despite being a kid...
It took them so long to get that he was dying. I had the suspicion he was when he entered the house and I KNEW he was the second he said “does anyone else’s water taste like chlorine?”
I pretty much knew when they sat down at the table and his chair looks like a coffin
@@skyguy342 Interestingly enough, it also looks like the pool floaty Bojack's on in the intro.
screw Netflix for autoplay and making everyone run to go "pause it pause it pause it pause it!" rather than being able to take in the final moments of the episode
"SAVOR YOUR FINAL MOMENTS!!!!"
Can't you turn it off?
@@MasterXploder88 Turn what off?
@@chadkennedy7855 The autoplay feature, after an episode finishes.
@@MasterXploder88 Oh yeah, I turn that shit off! #LetMeIn
RANA WENT TO THE BATHROOM AT THE WRONG TIME 😂 😂 😂
I'm just happy that there is a channel out there reacting to one of the best shows ever made. Everyone else is apparently sleeping on this. Can't wait to see you react to the final episode!
When herb was introducing bojack, it was all the things bojack thinks about himself and his insecurities. When bojack said "see you on the other side" that was bojack trying to reassure himself that there will be an afterlife, but herb once again reveals bojack innermost thoughts, that bojack knows deep down that there is no other side. And I think that hit me more than anything in this episode.
Them saying, "Maybe this one will be happy."
Me: *cackles* You're in danger.
And everyone was in thehouse, I knew he was dead. When he mentioned chlorine, that when I figured he died in the pool after taking the meds.
the door getting closer to secretariat represent the water as he was falling, zach braff telling what he didn't do represent the fear of dying before completing the bucket list
question, was bojack hoping for an afterlife when he said to herb "see you on the other side", then bojack conflicted with his atheism when herb said "there is no other side, this is it"?
I think it's more like the reference to Becker in free churro, when you die it's over and you are out of chances, even if there's an after life its not life
There is no hell... there is no other side... there is only darkness.
Chad Kennedy There is no darkness. There is nothing.
@@JojoTheRed I don't care, dumbass.
Random thought, Sarah Lynn comes with Bojack to the party because Bojack feels he killed Sarah Lynn. He brought Sarah Lynn to death.
Haunting, powerful episode. Great discussion afterwards.
17:10-17:23 So true, Chris.
Not true though, he said "We're all going to get to experience it", but experiencing something requires a consciousness, which requires your brain to be functioning. So if you're dead you can't experience anything so his statement can't be true. Unless he talked about the experience of the dying process and not actually being dead?
If you wanted to understand the meaning of all the other things in the episode like the bird that flew in the house, I'd recommend watching Johnny 2 Cellos' video on this episode (I'd also recommend his channel in general).
Shady doorags is better although he did heart my comment on that video
I hope he breaks down two more episodes soon: "Escape From LA" and "The Showstopper." (Which is the most darkest episode ever)
hasogon I prefer Johnny, but they’re both good, so I’d definitely recommend checking both out if you want some BoJack analysis content.
@@lucasdolding6924 Understood...
@@lucasdolding6924 yeah Johnny is quality but I'm more excited for shadies video
The fact that Zack was actually serving people is mind blowung cos he didnt had a last meal he was the meal
That episode, to me, was the greatest episode in the entire series. Who would of thought a show about anamorphic animal celebrities could dish out such amazing storytelling
“All of my kills were friendly fire” huh I know of a blue soldier that is famous/infamous for that
ogtwixtorgod maybe, but all I know is. Tucker did it
I needed that small giggle after that depressing episode
No matter how many times I watch this episode Secretariat’s poem always makes me cry
This episode broke my heart. Just so sad and intense and depressing yet familiar.... good grief, such great television.
i clicked on this video so fast almost broke my mouse. Definitely wasn't ready for my feels to get kicked in the urethra like this, but was totally expecting it.
You guys should've carried on watching the credits.
Edit: Aha just got to the end of the video now lol.
We did a little bit after the discussion. We caught it.
Just got to that bit of the video now. I commented when it felt like you were wrapping up and I didn't think you'd get back to the credits.
they do at 26:08
The irony in your comment
Haha yeah, but I didn't expect them to go back to the episode right at the end of the video. I was still watching when I commented and it was only about a minute after I commented that they did that.
My notifications: Normies react to The View from Halfway Down
Me: Oh shit, this one's gonna hurt
This was a momentous birthday present, thanks u guys!! This episode always hits hard and I love to think about the symbolism behind everything
This is the very best episode of Bojack. It’s written so well. I could watch it on repeat
15:40 Shows every possible reaction to this episode’s ending
Mine was Mickey’s. Which was yours?
I was more of a Rahna, with a bit of Nahid
Mine was similar to Suraj's reaction.
A mix between Suraj and Rana's.
Will Arnett shooing the bird away: RETURN FROM WHENCE YOU CAME!
10:27 “a song you taught me when i was small. Dont stop dancin till the curtain falls”
This line is a throwback to the time BoJack told Sarah Lynn to always give the people what they want,
This whole episode is pretty philosophical in nature and i love it. I also love seeing the first time reactions bc ive seen the series over too many times to be surprised at any of it.
For more deeper explanation on this episode for all the symbolism, I HIGHLY recommend this UA-cam video:
ua-cam.com/video/9p-1AhQZjPE/v-deo.html
A few weeks ago, I was rewatching an episode from an earlier season (back when BoJack's life was going relatively well )when my roommate walked in and saw me.
She wanted to watch the rest of the episode with me, and she ended up really enjoying the sit-com feel. She asked for my opinion if I thought watching the rest of the series would be worth it.
A part of me really wanted to recommend the show to her, but knowing the show's increasingly morbid themes of life, along with the fact that my friend constantly suffers from moderate to severe anxiety and depression, I told her that the rest of the show wasn't as good as the first season and that it would probably disappoint her.
26:08 for when they go back to see the credits play out. it's a shame Rana left right then
I like how because of the 17 minutes, it parallells how sara lynn must have felt when she was dying. Slowly, and realizing that no one was going to save her. Because Bojack was hoping Dianne would save him, i assume they also did this to show that Sara Lynn definitely had a similar thing with Bojack, hoping he woule call the cops or save her but realizing thay for whatever reason, she wasnt going to be saved.
The painting in the lounge is the one of the Narcissus Myth with the horse in the pool (the one in BoJack's study); this one shown in this episode has the horse dead in a pool.
took me a while to finally watch this episode, because I didnt wanted for the show to end, It was a really dark and gritty episode
14:55 "God, THAT was the last thing he did."
Peter Sellers' final film was "The Fiendish Plot of Dr. Fu Manchu". He died of a heart attack after he finished filming and he never got to live it down.
The bird was from an episode in the first season where Bojack had a flashback and said “I’ve seen when birds were pushed from the nest too early”
jajaj nee that was just a joke XD, The real meaning of the bird in this episode comes from an ancient belief. It is said that if a bird enters your house it is se, to the one of bad omen, but if it dies within it means death. At the beginning of the episode it seems that the bird escapes, but if you check you will notice that heel falls out. That is why he then returns and is caught by that tar and ends up dying inside the house.
Oooohh shiiiit, you're da man! This was like the only thing I was still wondering about, who the bird was.
This episode was beautifully made ❤, got me thinking a lot
Fun fact: There's a superstition that getting a bird inside your home means good luck, however if the bird dies before leaving the house, it means death is imminent.
I could be reaching. But, i believe the bird represented the "cardinal sin."
My favourite thing about the poem is the fact that it starts at the third person, goes into second person and finally first person. And as this is happening, as the poem gets more personal, the door gets closer. Just as Secretariat’s body got closer and closer to the water when he jumped from the bridge.
"You better get your shit together, Horse Boy"
I binged this entire series just for the moment at 16:18. In the first episode, everyone was having a good time watching the silly horse show. This is why I love Bojack. It has these high moments, silly inconsequential plot points, but then it drags you into the depths. This episode is the culmination of the entire show. Bojack’s relationships with everyone who he’s lost. From those he hardly knew, like Crackerjack and Corduroy to the people he knew better than anyone like Herb and Sarah Lynn.
I love how its the series finale of horsing around playing on the TV. "What do you mean he's dead?"
The reaction I was waiting.
Seeing some of you guys destroyed takes me back at the first time I saw this episode.
FINALLY i was waiting for this reaction since episode aired on netflix
Wow, they caught the last moment! i kinda hoped they dident and did at the same time!
Every tiny detail of this episode, from the visual hints towards the ending, the metaphorical representations, the lines calling back to important details, the food being their last meals, everything. It’s perfect.
15:38 i replayed this like 10 times to watch each individual reaction
Lol so glad they actually watched the entire credits
That person who relapsed after this episode was definitely following a motivated reasoning. It's something we do. We change the thought pattern in order to justify satiating the cravings. Saying "this episode made me throw away 3 months of sobriety" is a deflection. The episode is so much about why it's worth it to keep pushing forward, why it shouldn't get thrown away. But they felt stressed and went back to their security blanket.
When the heart monitor dropped at the end, I was really shocked and had chills until it started to beep again.
I am also happy that you stuck with it, all the others who started it either didn't get it or were expecting just a comedy. It has been a blast to re-watch the show with you guys. Can't wait to see your finale reaction. And Thanks. (Cheers from Ottawa, ON)
Also: Those damn cartoon onions again.
All the reactions at the very end were priceless. I've rewatched it several times.
NAHID LOOKING FOOOOINEEE with his new haircut
I like Crackerjack, he's cool, he should've lived, he could've been that one family member of Bojack's who wasn't depressing or super bad
Jareth The Goblin King true, but the way that Honey Sugarman and Beatrice were *was* because of Cracker Jack's death. If he didn't die early + Joseph Sugarman didn't have the former lobotomised, that family would have been very different.
Beatrice might not have been the same person if Crackerjack was alive too
The bird flying around in the house could be him seeing a nurse saving him. But at least in the south U.S., a bird flying into the house is a representation of death.
notice the hands in sara linn´s outfit to symbolize the abuse she went through
I think in the fist episode of the season, when bojack is talking to doctor champ he mentions the recurring dinner party dream, I think it's referring to this
Fun fact: CrackerJack Horseman is voiced by Lin Manuel Miranda, t same guy who composes music for Disney and created two famous musicals known as: ‘Hamilton’ & ‘In The Heights’