The Madrigals Are Not That Bad

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  • Опубліковано 1 сер 2024
  • WIth the new year upon us, there's been a bit of contention on Disney's latest animated venture, Encanto. Many believe that Mirabel was put through the ringer by her family, The Madrigals, especially her Abuela Alma. Begging the question was the family really that bad in Encanto? Is there any any truth to this questions? Watch and find out. #Encanto #Disney #DisneyAnimation
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    TIMESTAMPS:
    00:00 - Opening Thoughts
    01:58 - Intro
    02:41 - Mirabel's Mistreatment
    06:24 - Alma and the the Family Madrigal
    10:51 - Midbreak
    11:20 - Stop Trauma Relating
    13:42 - Closing Thoughts and Theory
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  • @Arosukir6
    @Arosukir6 2 роки тому +762

    I'd say there's a difference between abuse and trauma. The family is loving, and want to be supportive, but the way that Abuela and the community and their own selves put pressure on them to fulfill high standards is causing them all a form of trauma. It's super familiar to me on a personal level. Thanks to a lot of introspection (and of course therapy), I've learned that your family can be full of good people who want the best for you, and yet still traumatize you. It doesn't make any of them automatically evil or abusive, especially when they don't even realize or understand that they're doing it. Like the video says, it can really come down to everyone needing to sit and talk it out.

    • @tinyflyingdragons9432
      @tinyflyingdragons9432 2 роки тому +20

      You can still abuse people BECAUSE of trauma, and also yourself

    • @Arosukir6
      @Arosukir6 2 роки тому +32

      @@tinyflyingdragons9432 Absolutely you can, but my distinction here is toward intent. Causing trauma and committing abuse are both connected yet also narrowly distinct because the latter is done on purpose. You are aware that you are hurting the person, but either you think that hurt will improve their life somehow, or because you legit don't care or want to manipulate/hurt them. Abuela and the other members of the family don't even realize that the pressure they're putting on one another and themselves is a bad or hurtful thing. The bad thing in their opinion is not living up to that expectation.

    • @silh3345
      @silh3345 2 роки тому +11

      Often people become abusive because of their trauma. Yes abuse and trauma are two different things, however they are very often connected. If someone’s experienced trauma they’re more likely to become abusive because of it. Just because someone has trauma doesn’t mean they’re not abusive and we can’t just accept or excuse abuse because the person has trauma.

    • @Arosukir6
      @Arosukir6 2 роки тому +6

      @@silh3345 Absolutely agreed.

    • @creativename2567
      @creativename2567 2 роки тому +5

      It's insane to me that some ppl have truly loving parents and yet treat them as villains.

  • @MrStyro
    @MrStyro 2 роки тому +487

    I never really thought that her family was abusive. I thought that the civilians were kinda rough on her in the beginning such she was already a teenager but she’s still being shamed for the past like it just happened. Regardless, I thought that her parents were still supportive regardless of what was happening which was nice. Heck, the mom eventually calls out Alma and still defends her daughter.

    • @Araxijiro
      @Araxijiro 2 роки тому +36

      “Mama, you’ve always been hard on Mirabel.”
      -Julieta Madrigal (exact lines)

    • @brookepeterson3492
      @brookepeterson3492 2 роки тому +3

      I agree. Wheni watch it all I notice was how abusive and mean they were to her. Except for Antonio.

    • @ihavenoideawhatimdoing4
      @ihavenoideawhatimdoing4 2 роки тому +3

      @@Araxijiro bruh it is abuse emotional abuse

    • @mindyours316
      @mindyours316 2 роки тому +3

      @@Araxijiro Mental and emotional abuse is still abuse

  • @dreamer9398
    @dreamer9398 2 роки тому +311

    Madrigal aren’t perfect, but definitely not abuse.
    They’re blowing way out of proportion. Like serious, Mirabel’s family, Luisa, and cousins been mostly kind to her.
    Alma and Isabela are not worse.

    • @ClaudetteVioletta
      @ClaudetteVioletta 2 роки тому +32

      Mirabel parents loved her and Félix was that cool uncle most of the movie

  • @firegirl2202
    @firegirl2202 2 роки тому +343

    I think that when people see any level of toxicity or unhealthy relationships, they chalk it up to abuse. I think it’s a mix of lack of language, understanding what abuse is, and a desire for healthier family relationships.
    I’d argue the same treatment happened to the frozen franchise, like yeah the parents were neglectful and treated Elsa poorly, but they were trying with what little understanding they had and tried their best to help her. It’s suggested that they frequented her room to try and help her control her powers, wanting her to go back to normal. If a healthier alternative was presented and they had a different understanding, they clearly loved their children and prior to the incident had been allowing Elsa to use her powers quite freely - they would have gone with it. Their actions were easily mendable with the right guidance and they weren’t evil for the decisions they followed through on. It doesn’t take away from the pain and neglect Elsa did face. It doesn’t make their actions less harmful. But it wasn’t abuse.
    People can just hurt their children through bad decisions sometimes, unhealthy relationships can form, toxic behaviours can rear their ugly heads, but it doesn’t mean it ends up being as intense as abuse. It’s the consequence of humans being imperfect, the best we can do is be empathetic towards breaking old cycles and educating those when we can.

    • @ClaudetteVioletta
      @ClaudetteVioletta 2 роки тому +14

      People like that is why we have Mary Sue and Gary Stu so much. Writters fear making flawed characters to certain point

    • @xjessie_drawsx
      @xjessie_drawsx 2 роки тому +3

      Well said!
      Honestly, I never once had a thought that the madrigal family was abusive. Imperfect, yes, but not outright violence.

    • @gathajayan3558
      @gathajayan3558 2 роки тому +4

      @@xjessie_drawsx abuse doesn’t just mean violence or physical. Emotional and mental abuse extinct. I would say that the Madrigal family were kinda emotional abusive towards Mirabel constantly excluding her. Also emotional abuse is often normalized and hidden so abuse isn’t just physical.

    • @xjessie_drawsx
      @xjessie_drawsx 2 роки тому +2

      @@gathajayan3558 ah, good point

  • @andresomerville4896
    @andresomerville4896 2 роки тому +221

    Maribel had surprisingly high self at the beginning of the movie considering she was the only one without a gift. I figured her family was responsible for making her not feel different.

    • @ArtisticGamer14
      @ArtisticGamer14 2 роки тому +61

      I feel like her mom and dad were a big part of her having high self esteem. Alma certainly didn't help make it better, and everyone else (besides Antonio) were too busy with other things to pay attention to her; unless she made a mistake or drew negative attention to herself.

    • @annexsis5181
      @annexsis5181 2 роки тому +24

      Yeah her mother and father made her feel special and we see that

    • @cb8655
      @cb8655 2 роки тому +7

      Mirabel*

    • @RinLockhart
      @RinLockhart 2 роки тому +18

      Mirabel's parents were very sweet to her and she developed a close bond with Antonio.

  • @strawberrylemonade8799
    @strawberrylemonade8799 2 роки тому +108

    I don’t see it as abuse, just a toxic environment, which aren’t always mutually exclusive. The family is a loving one, they all deeply care for each other, even though the environment they are creating often overshadows that love with bottled up feelings, high expectations and other important issues that pop up in families when left unchecked. All of these issues can inflict trauma onto family members, especially the younger family members as the older ones likely went through their own trauma, then pushing that onto their children, who push it onto their children. The cycle would have continued had Mirabel not been the one to fully notice the problems in the family and call out Abeula in a painfully real, but necessary outburst. I don’t think the family, specifically Abuela and Isabella, are as bad as people portray them. The way Abuela acted and the things she prioritized was certainly bad, I’m not sugarcoating it, what she did is very real and extremely damaging despite it being way more low key than abuse, but it wasn’t such extreme abuse like some people portray it as. She was heavily grieving and never fully reconciled with Pedro’s death, instead having to take care of 3 children and an entire village full of refugees. Because of this, her trauma, role of leadership, survivor’s guilt (showed through her feeling like they need to show they are worth having miracle) pushed her to create walls and prioritize everyone else over her own well-being and that of her family’s. And Isabela… I never know why people reacted so badly to her when watching the movie. As an older sibling, how she acted just looks like how older siblings act to the younger ones often. It’s not always good, I can acknowledge that, but it’s relatively normal. Plus I think Isabela’s character was excellent and, the lover of good character writing I am, I was anticipating her reveal to Mirabel as soon as Surface Pressure finished.
    TLDR; So no, I don’t think the Family Madrigal is abusive, they love each other A LOT, but they just lived in a toxic environment that was self inflicted by themselves, and each other.

    • @wolfywonder8480
      @wolfywonder8480 2 роки тому +11

      I agree with some other comments that it feels like people are projecting too much, since the family is so realistic and deals with such nuanced issues. I’ve seen people headcanon that Alma straight up didn’t allow Mirabel to be in the family photos, and things of that nature, and frankly, it feels to me like a lot of teens are venting through the Madrigals and their many problems. I will say, as someone who’s the youngest of three, Isabela’s behavior was expected but still uncomfortable. I’m mature enough now not to be bothered by it so much, but it does bring up a lot of bad memories about how older siblings assume that younger siblings try to do as little work as possible, and the rifts that form from that belief. While I have less experience with personal value being belittled like Mirabel’s was, I think a lot of people can relate to it (especially teenagers, who are generally told they’re just being dramatic, delegitimizing their feelings) and get triggered by it. I don’t believe the Madrigals are/were intended to come across as abusive, but I do understand why they’re portrayed that way by others, even if that paints a false picture of the movie and these characters

    • @ClaudetteVioletta
      @ClaudetteVioletta 2 роки тому +2

      @@wolfywonder8480 there's literally a photo in Mirabel's room where she is with all the family, and She's on the mural with everyone else on the Town. Really guys, out of all families in media, You pick Madrigals to be the "worst"

  • @kittygardenva2741
    @kittygardenva2741 2 роки тому +48

    People give Alma crap when Disney and Pixar have made flawed characters WHO LEARN FROM THEIR MISTAKES like her for years. Like Mr. Incredible neglected his own family in his first movie and Woody literally nearly murdered Buzz in his first movie and Alma's the one who gets the brunt of angry fans?

    • @ClaudetteVioletta
      @ClaudetteVioletta 2 роки тому +13

      The abuela in Coco was worse. Alma at least tried to be caring

    • @brunotorrini9228
      @brunotorrini9228 2 роки тому +1

      @@ClaudetteVioletta I'll never understand why some people think the "Abuela's 180° redemption" in Coco was better than the one in Encanto. WHAT THE FUCKING HELL?!? Miguel's Abuela literally destroyed his guitar almost at first sight, just the evening before, and just because of HER Grandma's opinion about music, not herself, and the following morning, after a night searching for Miguel, she let the kid playing that (heartbreakingly beautiful) song in front of her mother without moving a single finger. Are you kidding me? Why? WHY the hell is she not stopping him? She destroyed his guitar just a few hours ago! And he had just run away for a whole night, from her perspective! There are no explanations for her behaviour, that's make no sense.
      At least, Alma had an enormous PERSONAL trauma on her shoulders, has just seen her house collapse in front of of her eyes (for the second time) and her grandkid almost been killed trying to save her family, and still had the courage and the humbleness to see her mistakes and apologize to Mirabel, and then to the family.
      How the hell the first situation could be even just comparable?! It really gets me crazy.
      By the way, I want to clarify I love Coco a lot. But Encanto is too meaningful, too deep, too important.

    • @Hamantha
      @Hamantha 2 роки тому +1

      @@brunotorrini9228 his dad literally stopped her and probably would’ve tried to keep her back, at least until Coco started reacting to the music. I feel like you’re starting to project onto Coco in order to defend Encanto

    • @tinymittensdesign
      @tinymittensdesign 2 роки тому +1

      *whispers* It's sexism and racism

  • @heyitsnovaa
    @heyitsnovaa 2 роки тому +105

    I always saw this movie as more of a look into expectations. One problem I had was with Abuela and how she never came to the family. I'm glad things got resolved in the end. Mirabel is the glue that holds the family together. Good video and "We Don't Talk About Bruno" slaps on my momma

  • @someoneawesome8717
    @someoneawesome8717 2 роки тому +63

    While I wouldn't say Alma wasn't redeemable I do believe the forgiveness came a few beats too quickly, like maybe a moment where something happens that seems like Mirabelle is in a bit of danger but Alma steps in front of her just to reveal it was completely harmless but if it wasn't she'd still have protected her granddaughter

    • @yay29823
      @yay29823 2 роки тому +17

      You know what? They should kept the energy from that deleted scene. Mirabel going to Abuela's old home. Abuela trying to find her. Abuela realizing that Pedro would be disapointed. Finally apologizing. Mirabel dont having that damn speech about how Abuela was inocent...
      Yeah, i dont like her speech, even tho she wasnt wrong about what she said, it ruined the whole "Abuela's apologize" and i say this as an Abuela's lover

  • @Mathue360
    @Mathue360 2 роки тому +84

    It sounds like some of the viewers are over identifying with characters. The story is a good representation of how any family including a fantastical one can have problems with communication.
    That last bit with the Bleach music had me floored!

  • @Arella17
    @Arella17 2 роки тому +18

    They're not abusive in the physical sense, but Abuela's treatment of them is a form of emotional abuse. Emotional abuse is still abuse.
    They fit certain roles of an abusive dynamic:
    Pepa is Gaslit in regarding to her emotions
    Maribel's mother is the Fixer she feels the need to keep the peace when there are problems
    Isabella is the Golden Child pressured to be perfect
    Bruna and Maribel are the scapegoats for everything that goes wrong
    Luisa is the Shield, she is the one who is expected to shoulder the burden of keeping the family afloat
    However, saying all of this the situation in Encanto wasn't to the point where it couldn't be fixed. Even after the destruction of the Casita all they needed was to openly communicate and come back together as a family.
    What Alma needed was to confront her trauma and how her inability to cope with it made her push so much pressure on her family, and that's what happened (though in the kid friendly everything works out in the end way and not the realistic way that takes months of communication and therapy).

  • @toon4thought
    @toon4thought 2 роки тому +197

    The declining media literacy among some people is genuinely concerning, because I don't know how you could misread Encanto's themes this badly.

  • @tiffanypersaud3518
    @tiffanypersaud3518 2 роки тому +33

    Thanks for the vid! “Like she caused physical damage” Nah. She caused generations emotional damage. It was a story about generations trauma. And Alma was pivoting around her grief and anxiety and this lack of healing spilled over into an over-controlling behaviour to her loved ones.
    Mirabel could easily have built huge amounts of (justified) resentment toward Alma. But she let her empathy and compassion win out and it saved the entire family not just the “miracle.”

  • @DI-QueenmoEMino
    @DI-QueenmoEMino 2 роки тому +55

    I feel like the family in itself wasn't super terrible except for the grandma on some levels, since everyone is basically trying to live up to her very high expectations or unrealistic standards of a perfect flawless family image. Considering that she is the head of the family like the main matriarch & how she accused her granddaughter of ruining the family, but yet I felt small aspects of the family were good examples of certain toxic familial behaviors especially with some of the dismissal treatment of Mirabel & mostly Bruno who was basically the scapegoat with how he was blamed for anything awful happening in the village and how they automatically assumed the worst of him. But other than that the family is no way! Near as horrible or shitty as other families within some cartoons or any other media that can be a lot worse in terms of family abuse and toxicity.

  • @shelbymckinney8888
    @shelbymckinney8888 2 роки тому +21

    I glad you made an honest video about. The Madrigal aren't perfect, but the way some people talk about them (particularly Abuela) you would think they were talking about Matilda's family or Lady Tremain. Seriously, its like people miss nuance and the fact that they actually care about each other.

  • @memesnahgee5259
    @memesnahgee5259 2 роки тому +40

    My two cents:
    The only one I’d say has a real argument of being an abuser is Abeula. I’m not gonna act like I’m an expert on this or anything, but you do see a lot of the trademarks you see in abusive households. The Golden Child (Isabella) is something they actually name in the movie. But I think the best example is the role Bruno, and later Mirabel take, the scapegoat. Obviously I don’t think she’s doing it on purpose, but if you’re not looking where you’re going and run into a man with scissors, you still stabbed a man.
    Abuela, in my opinion, does get verbally abusive with Mirabel, most evidently at the big blow up scene, but there’s a lot of little things she says n shit. I notice how she likes to undervalue Mirabel, like how her emotions are less valid because Antonio is doing door stuff.
    I’m only 6 minutes in, so sorry if you bring any of this up

    • @vensakarakorwien5768
      @vensakarakorwien5768 2 роки тому +7

      it is much deeper than that, but you need to know what to watch for:
      1. Abuela was visible narcissist in the family. Her excuse of traumatic loss of her husband (technically we do not know if he is dead, but most likely he is), ok. Because she had to flee from her old village and rebuild on other place ok. Those would explain where would fear of loosing magic as a protection come from. But sorry, making it from a simple event to a big party for the whole village that must look ideal and denying any warning sings - to the point of accusing her grandchild of being drunk (that is a direct invalidation right there). All that talks about big personal insecurity (but not that much about that somebody will come to kill you, but more about that society will not talk highly about you and praise you). Also remember she was treating her grand daughter for years like that.
      2. Mirabelle parents - by best guess they were too shy to stand up the main abuser. Which sadly lead of not supporting their daughter in some moments (when Abuela accused her of being drunk, also it did not fit Mirabelle character, her mother did nothing to defend her daughter). Or giving wrong type of support (after first cracks incident Mirabelle did not want to hear from her Mother - I love you; but - I believe, what you saw is real and we need to find out why is it happening. And at the beginning, she did not want to hear, that she does not need to try that hard; which would only remind her of the insecurity of feeling inferior, but to compliment that she is doing good job.)
      3. Her older cousin Dolores - while knowing how big of an issue is it for Mirabelle, humiliating her in front of children. Also Dolores had keen hearing gift. The gossiping part about it was her own initiative, however as we have seen, that was requested from Abuela as well.
      4. Older sister - Isabella - narcissist in making, aka golden child. When you listen closely to her song, it is about her own problems - she wants to do more creative things (like those wild plants) and less conform things (just certain type of flowers). But during her whole song it is about her, her, her. Not once she acknowledge Mirabelle
      5. Luisa - while we do not see any abuse from this family member. Good natured ready to help with chores Luisa (the strong), got such big list of chores, that she would not even have time to notice what is going on. That is because she was a proxy tool to show how perfect and helping family is to the point, where villagers were coming even with the tasks they can easily handle by themselves (sure it may take a bit more time, but to get donkeys together, you do not need to literally pile them to get them where you want).
      6. Antonio the youngest. His fear before the ceremony very well represents what was happening. While a small child he did understand very well, that if he would underperform like Mirabelle (no gift), then he will get the same bad treatment. Actually the only one that was really connecting with Mirabelle and treating her equal (at least on the level he could do).
      7. Her emotional aunt Pepa with her husband. As funny as it it is, she strikes me as the previous golden child of a family (as she is able to talk back more and in more active to aggressive manner; or that example of how much she wanted to have a perfect wedding). However it seems that later on, her family branch was replaced by Isabella as a new golden child.
      8. And lastly her uncle Bruno (the previous scape goat, now invisible and negated family member). Just like Mirabelle he was treated badly and then branded complete outcast, all why he was trying to help the family and to protect his niece from his own fate (which still happened, because there always must be a scapegoat). It did not help that he had magic, because of his rather meek character it was easy to twist it against him. (and if you really want to you can show any of their gifts in bad light)
      So with that being said, you have main abuser, her successor in the making (current golden child), enablers (Dolores, Camilo, some villagers), people that were fear pressured (her mother and father) or isolated from her (Luisa, and I would say that would soon also happen with Antonio).
      The scary part that this is not the standard abuse we would think about (no physical harm), but plenty covered mental abuse is there.
      There is no wonder that Mirabelle herself would not recognize properly what is being done to her, as she has grown up in such conditions, so she would perceive most of the behavior normal.
      However no it should be not normal for parents to divide children and to choose a favorite child. (at the end of the day they are all your children). And while it might be that at some moment you might like one child more than other, you need to show that you are understanding for all of them.
      It is also not normal to pressure your own child, to see their child as something less compared to other family members.
      It is also not correct to show direct bad examples (ordering others is ok, without any respect if they are able to answer the request; gossiping is ok and is also requested; clear preferences of grand children are shown; belittling, denying, invalidating some family members in public; deciding on behalf of grown up children).
      Having hardships in your own past does not give you right to put a different (or same) type of hardships on others. 2 wrongs will not make things right.
      It is also naïve to believe that somebody will just flip and change to better in a flick of a moment after years of using their old habits, where everything was "working" (changing is really really hard). And funny enough that is also shown when Abuela will approach Mirabelle (with a long story of justification how her past was hard and unfair)
      1. Her granddaughter has nothing to do with her hard past, she did not cause it, to be "punished for it"
      2. In the emotional state of doubting herself, is maybe better to ask person how they are doing, and that you are there for them. Or just say sorry and that you really mean it - no why and but; no best intentions (you can save that for later). Because if you do that you will partially invalidate that experience that the hurt person has, by inserting your own sob story. (and not this was not a case when somebody misinformed Abuela or manipulated her; it was her own choice how to treat her children).

    • @argo8276
      @argo8276 2 роки тому +2

      I totally agree with you.
      I don't think abuela is an irredeemable monster and I do believe she deserves a second chance. Abuela doesn't have any malicious intent behind her actions,she genuinely thought that it could help the family but instead it does the exact opposite. She's just a very flawed person and toxic due to her past trauma however,
      Some moments in the movie
      Shows that she's being borderline abusive and because of that it's kinda hard to say that she's not abusive.

  • @Mannof1000Thoughts
    @Mannof1000Thoughts  2 роки тому +116

    It is strange that there’s such major contention against the family Madrigal. They certainly aren’t perfect but they definitely aren’t the worst family out there. What do you all think about their treatment of Mirabel and Bruno and people calling them a bad family?

    • @Demureu
      @Demureu 2 роки тому +1

      They are the worst?

    • @Rosemont104
      @Rosemont104 2 роки тому +8

      I think the crew handled this as well as they could, and perhaps the contentious reception would be mitigated if there were more of a variety of animated and/or family films (besides the ones you've mentioned) that took these issues seriously and from a wider variety of cultures.

    • @Rosemont104
      @Rosemont104 2 роки тому +2

      @@Demureu I think that could've been a typo 😅

    • @sarahtelles1931
      @sarahtelles1931 2 роки тому +7

      Probably because the people saying that they are the all time worst family obviously haven't known what it's like to live in a family where certain values, it can be different values, take precedent before the family, this family was done alright but there are even worse situations and yeah, the no second chances crap does need to stop reason, there are people who will mess up once and then learn from their behavior and be better, but that doesn't mean that they should be mixed up with actual awful people like Tucker Carlson and Donald Trump.

    • @RinLockhart
      @RinLockhart 2 роки тому +1

      I think you meant "they definitely aren't the worst"

  • @chidaluokoro9104
    @chidaluokoro9104 2 роки тому +19

    Lilo and stitch was GOAT🐐

  • @dansmart3182
    @dansmart3182 2 роки тому +13

    I mean.... Abuela is at least somewhat emotionally abusive. Imagine it being christmas, and your Grandma saying to you maybe it is best if you just kinda watch rather than participate. Or if you see cracks in the house and Abuela says there are no cracks, when she knows you are right. Also Bruno left cause he thought the vision would get a child driven out and ostracized. That is a huge red flag, what did he go through to have that reaction?
    I also 100% agree that she shouldn't have left, and her treatment wasn't irredeemable. The whole point of the movie was us and Abuela understanding her trauma and how that pain hurts her family.

  • @anetagabrielova7669
    @anetagabrielova7669 2 роки тому +11

    You know they are not abusive in the violent kind of sense. They are subtly abusing to most of them. Pepa is shamed for having negative emotions, insted of learning how to work with them, she is forced to supress them, Isabella is forced to act like the princess, allways above everyone, never showing her true feelings and to marry someone she doesn't like, Luisa is thought that she is only worthy if she is of service, Mirabel is shamed for not having gift and is put aside, there is so much preassure on the 5 year old Antonio, so much expectation, Bruno choose to leave in order to not hurt them but even before that they all treat him horribly, putting blame on him for the predictions he gives them instead of owning what they learned and used that to their advantage .... All of them are obliged to use their gifts as a service to others, to be responsible for the wellbeing of the whole city. They have little to no time to rest and focus on themselves and just enjoy life. That doesn't mean that they sould just leave the family, but the lack of communication and deep meaningful connections between them is very hard on a psyche. Abuela doesn't see them as her family but more like her employes. They learn in the end, but it is not yet fully healed.

    • @anetagabrielova7669
      @anetagabrielova7669 2 роки тому +1

      I actually think that the most abused is not Mirabel or Bruno, but Luisa

    • @ClaudetteVioletta
      @ClaudetteVioletta 2 роки тому +3

      @@anetagabrielova7669 ikr, the ending lets you know they're gonna try to work in it, like being a real family and not a fairy tale one

    • @anetagabrielova7669
      @anetagabrielova7669 2 роки тому +1

      @@ClaudetteVioletta yes, that is true, they should do a sequel about them trying to heal from these wounds together and strenghtening their connections :)

  • @travisherndon94
    @travisherndon94 2 роки тому +64

    Yeah I agree there are cartoon families that are way worse than this family (hello Zuko's family). Their not perfect but then again no family is .

  • @ClaudetteVioletta
    @ClaudetteVioletta 2 роки тому +60

    (TW: Bible)
    I'm sick of them generalizing all the Madrigals as excluding Mirabel, when it was only Grandmother who pushed her away and Isabela treated her badly.
    Julieta, Agustín, Luisa, and Antonio had a love for him that don't need to be explained or debated. Felix, and Dolores gave her the information she wanted and needed. Pepa had her attacks by her power but it was seen that she respected the girl, including the scene in which she apologized for scaring her by the thunder, and Camilo will have had the time of his life telling the story of Bruno, but at the same time , he is loving and caring for her cousin, it is seen when she catches her in and the aforementioned song and lets her get up carefully.
    The photo is highly debatable, but it is wrong to say that the family did not want it in the photo. When the family was called, she herself withdrew due to the shame of not having a gift, and everything was so fast that they surely did not even realize she was missing. The family always showed love to Mirabel, being Isabela and Alma the only ones that were rough and she would speak and reconcile in the end. A simple photo does not define the treatment of the rest of the members in the rest of the movie. Indeed, there's a photo with all family in it, including Mirabel, that is in her room. If they were SO BAD, she wouldn't be in it
    In fact, not even Isabela, in the scene where she treated her badly, at the beginning, she did not mention her lack of power, "you wouldn't be on the way" can be interpreted as one more phrase from a spoiled sister. People bitching about Isabela for not apologizing for treating Mirabel badly when she hardly did. And Alma, what she did to the family, putting such pressure in vain is no excuse, but you have to understand it, she saw her husband die, and she had already lost her home. The important thing is that they both learned their lesson. About Bruno, Dolores seemed to undertanding him in her rap, Camilo was just bullshitting his part in a 5-year-old view, Felix even admitted his wedding day was beautiful even tho the huracain, Alma was hard on him but at the same happy to see him as Julieta, Pepa, and Agustin.
    The Madrigal family is a family that did not have to go to extremes, extremely unstable or extremely kind to each other. The family has its setbacks from time to time, and that does not make it a bad family. Riveras literally denied Miguel's dream in COCO, Simpsons has been unstable for around 30 years now and everyone is okay with that, as so many non/Disney families, so what's up with Madrigals?
    Edit: Yeah, lets talk about Bruno. Félix really was happy with his wedding Even tho his wife temper. Julieta and Agustín seemed to miss him no martes what. Pepa was the only one that blamed him for her wedding. Yet she forgive him for that when he explained himself. Really Abuela was kinda doubtful about it because the Town, You see, the Town feared and blamed him for things that weren't his fault and sincerely they should have apologize. I'm not including grandchilds because back then they would not have had any Word in it. Isabela was happy about the profecy Bruno had about her, Camilo was bullshitting Everything, Mirabel knew nothing and Luisa just gave a fuck. Dolores heard him but wasn't that sure he was there, until he comes back and seems happy to know he was there.
    Probably family felt guilty about how they theated Bruno and that's why they don't talk about him. The awfuls one here seemed the Town. Really now I feel people are shitting a little too much on Madrigals

  • @brianregan5933
    @brianregan5933 2 роки тому +77

    Honestly, the movie completely justifies Alma's fears about Mirabel. Literally, in the flashback to Mirabel's gift ceremony, you see that when the door disappears, the candle nearly goes out, and Abuela looks visibly shaken. She then asks Bruno to do a vision about Mirabel, and he does, before immediately breaking the vision and running away.
    Then, all these years later, she sees that the vision WAS about Mirabel destroying the house, and is proven right about her earlier fears, meaning her deciding that Mirabel is the problem is a pretty reasonable conclusion.
    Does this forgive all the stress she puts on her family? No. But she's clearly extremely stressed herself. She's not evil, and she's probably not even a bad person. Just a flawed one

    • @lucapeyrefitte6899
      @lucapeyrefitte6899 2 роки тому +8

      My niece pointed out that the reason Maribel didn’t get a gift is because she touched the candle, cleaned her hands then tried to get her door

    • @levitatingrn
      @levitatingrn 6 місяців тому

      2 Years late, Alma's fear seems reasonable but she didn't have to mistreat Mirabel because of it. She's put pressure on her family, mistreated them, arranged marriages and forced them to be "perfect", they couldn't be themselves because of her expectations. I see her as a bad person.

  • @emeraldpichu1
    @emeraldpichu1 2 роки тому +31

    I mean it's pretty implied that Bruno left because he didn't want to turn her from a black sheep into the presumed source of their problems which would have probably turned their neglect into outright hatred. Also you're kind of underestimating the kind of damage that serial neglect can do on a person

    • @tiffanypersaud3518
      @tiffanypersaud3518 2 роки тому +2

      Yup.

    • @plata4682
      @plata4682 2 роки тому +2

      It wouldn't have, they love him, it's shown that his sisters and the rest of the family missed him. Also, there wasn't such a thing as a serial neglect, only Alma pushed away her family but his family was there for him. In 'We don't talk about Bruno' you get to see that only the townfolk is kind of really 'scared' of him.

    • @emeraldpichu1
      @emeraldpichu1 2 роки тому +7

      @@plata4682 The prophecy would have made it seem like keeping her around would have led to the magic being destroyed so they would have ostracized her even further and considering that the parents were only praising her and protecting her when they were alone it implies that they were ashamed to be parents to her when in front of the family

    • @plata4682
      @plata4682 2 роки тому +4

      @@emeraldpichu1 but didn't her mother called out abuela when they were fighting in the scene before of the destruction of the house? They're clearly not ashamed of her, they didn't even had that much screentime, also they are clearly worried about her in the scene after she leaves them in the kitchen. Or when her dad wad willing to keep the prophecy secret for her. Luisa would also stood up for her sister and so would do many of the family members.

    • @emeraldpichu1
      @emeraldpichu1 2 роки тому +3

      @@plata4682 The problem with that is that at that point she was already pushing the family towards getting out from under The grandmother's thumb which means that has no bearing on how they treated her before

  • @HatsOffMedias
    @HatsOffMedias 2 роки тому +16

    I never knew I needed Moe dancing to "We don't talk about Bruno"

  • @mary_ms_jay233
    @mary_ms_jay233 2 роки тому +9

    Here's my thouths on this subject, that I shared in my social midia a couple of weeks ago (is a bit long, sorry):
    Okay I've been seeing people say that the family only mistreats/abuse Mirabel... but I dont think that's true or that it's even fair to them. Besides Alma and Isabela that are shown to have direct conflict with Mirabel, everyone else just acts like a family.
    We follow just two/three days with the Madrigals. And they are stressful days, with stressful subjects they're all dealing with: Antonio's gift ceremony, Isabela's proposal dinner and the crashing of the house. All of them with the "we dont talk about Bruno issue" spread all over it
    - I mean, Antonio is a sweetheart.
    - Julieta e Agustin do what they can to make her not feel like she needs to prove herself. Yeah, some attempts can fall short, but they stand up for their daughter when Abuela gets mad. They love her more than anything.
    - Luisa clearly cares for her sisters well being, we see throughout Surface Pressure. And she apologized when she snapped with the "NOTHING IS WRONG", that we know happens cuz she was trying to keep it together.
    - Pepa is doing her best to keep the weather pleasant even tho is her son's ceremony. Besides all the interactions that Mirabel has with her have the "Bruno subject", a subject she has many emotions about it. But she also apologized when she scared Mirabel with the thunder.
    - Felix too, only interact with her when talking about Bruno, and hes is clearly warning her about her safety.
    - I saw someone complain about Mirabels awkward interaction with Camilo as Dolores when asking about the magic. Like that's not how you interact with a family member, but that's the thing: shes trying to be sneaky and get information on a awkward subject. And anyways Dolores tell her what she knows with no problems. In WDTAB they dance together and hold hands (which is super cute)
    - Camilo has the least screentime with Mirabel (which was a missed opportunity but I digress) but in WDTAB, as some people already pointed out, hes trying to scare her but hes quite gentle with her
    Yes, the picture situation was awful, and I say this as someone who relates A LOT to Mirabel, but the movie is about a broken family that's under a lot of pressure to look flawless, but need to learn to how to be a better family, not a perfect one
    Mirabel even points it out in "All of you" that they need new foundation and by the end is said:
    "Home sweet home. I like the new foundation/ It isn't perfect/ Neither are we/ That's true."
    Anyways, I just dont feel like the family was as cruel and heartless to Mirabel as I saw some people saying they were

  • @MrSasunaru101
    @MrSasunaru101 2 роки тому +7

    Abuse isn’t just physical. It can be emotional or mentally as well.
    Though I believe the family mostly neglected her emotionally

  • @Pros_Leo
    @Pros_Leo 2 роки тому +16

    I think the reason why people have such an extreme reaction about the Madrigal's family dynamic is because ultimately the family situation was resolved because the magic made everyone visually see the damage being done. Their home literally collapsed in on itself, there was no possible way of denying their problems any longer. In our reality, there is no guarantee that even if someone, especially Maribel a minor, had bluntly tried to create dialog to address what was going on that anyone would have listened, because that would mean acknowledging that their actions or inaction had caused emotional harm to someone they cared about... and to be honest it really should have been Maribel's parents who addressed her treatment a long time ago...like she's literally stuck using the nursery as her room. It doesn't matter if the room is magical or not, she deserved her own room once she came of age if that's the tradition of the family...If this story was set in a reality without magic, I would have told Maribel that she needed a hobby or passion that is exclusively for herself. That it was ok to love and care for her family, but that she would need to put her own self care at a high priority, because she wouldn't be able to depend on her family to necessarily notice or take her struggles seriously...and if this trend of neglect and disregard continues on into adulthood, maybe consider moving out of the neighborhood, though not necessarily far away.

    • @UnKnown-bo8ce
      @UnKnown-bo8ce 2 роки тому +3

      "Mirabel's parents should have addressed her treatment"
      They already have. Multiple times actually.

    • @Pros_Leo
      @Pros_Leo 2 роки тому +7

      @@UnKnown-bo8ce They show love and support for Maribel throughout the movie, but they don't tell her that their families casual disregard of her feelings is wrong. They also don't actually talk to the Abuela about her treatment of her until after the ruined proposal, though even then they don't actually put their foot down and set any boundaries. As a children's movie it's a great narrative to have Maribel ultimately save the family magic and their relationships with each other, but in real life? It should have been the adults who took up the responsibility to address things and enforce consequences once it started effecting the mental well-being of their children. Something that Maribel's parents failed to do or Lisa wouldn't be so anxious about everything and Isebela wouldn't be obsessed with being perfect.

    • @gabrieladapazlima7947
      @gabrieladapazlima7947 Рік тому

      ​@@Pros_Leo Julieta literaly tell to abuela be nice to mirabel before the cerimony tho

    • @gabrieladapazlima7947
      @gabrieladapazlima7947 Рік тому

      ​@@Pros_Leo and also the point of the movie is that when mirabel tries to fix the problem on her own she fails, and they only really heal when they work together to do it, there's a video that explains it better

    • @Pros_Leo
      @Pros_Leo Рік тому

      @@gabrieladapazlima7947 you can tell someone to do something all you like, but it will remain nothing but lip service if you don't take action to show that you mean what you say. This goes for anything, good or bad.

  • @lunatheclown7827
    @lunatheclown7827 2 роки тому +26

    Honestly I think this is my favorite movie by Disney next to Raya and the last dragon both tackle trauma and recovery and getting over that and getting better from it and another thing I like, is that they don’t have magic that makes them pretty unique and also they don’t get a love interest which to me made it feel like it stuck more to the ACTUAL story line rather then romance.

  • @aidancurry218
    @aidancurry218 2 роки тому +4

    Aside from not including Mirabel in the first family photo, nobody except Alma and Isabela mistreated Mirabel. Mirabel mistreated Isabela right back, and it was clearly sourced in mutual misunderstanding, which is resolved in What Else Can I Do. Alma harmed the whole family by emphasizing the value of their gifts over who they are as people, but didn’t believe she was hurting her family, and when confronted with the fact that she was, quickly made amends and changed her outlook. It’s clear none of the family has bad intentions, much less abuse. Now past actions towards Bruno might complicate things, but we don’t know enough about those circumstances to make a fair and accurate judgement on them.

    • @ClaudetteVioletta
      @ClaudetteVioletta 2 роки тому +1

      Angustín and Julieta loved her, Pepa, Dolores and Félix even brooke the rule of not talking about Bruno for her, Camilo seems to have fun with her, Antonio loves her. The photo, probably since they put on it too fast didn't realize she was missing. Gotta love how fandom bases a family whole personality and treatment in one scene, lol

  • @kaykay8855
    @kaykay8855 2 роки тому +11

    I never thought people thought Mirabel’s was abusive. If they said Abuela was abusive, I would see their point but still debunked that.

  • @starrsmith3810
    @starrsmith3810 2 роки тому +22

    I never thought the family was abusive. Obvious trauma yes. All of it comes from Alma and she is called out for it. They were all under the pressures of high expectations. Hell Alma herself suffered with trauma and she makes up for it in the end.
    It wraps up pretty well honestly.

  • @carlacarrero4975
    @carlacarrero4975 2 роки тому +30

    Out of all the families in animation they choose one of the wholesomest to call abusive ? Like for real

  • @OpticalSorcerer
    @OpticalSorcerer 2 роки тому +15

    I think the forgiveness and development happened to quickly (Isabela and Luisa barely get any screentime before their big "I have to change" moments, and there was little to make me feel bad for Dolores' prophecy), but I don't think Mirabel's family was purposefully abusive (unlike Cinderella and Snow White's families). Similar to Elsa's parents, Mirabel's family didn't know what to do with her, and I really despised how their magic was mainly relegated to helping others rather than something more epic and adventurous in nature. All in all, I think the ending does feel a bit rushed, but we know enough about Mirabel for me to believe that she could forgive them quickly, like the aforementioned Cinderella and Snow White (if given the opportunity). It wasn't okay what they did, but they understand their mistake and can better work on it.

  • @sparkshock7940
    @sparkshock7940 2 роки тому +8

    No, the family is definitely abusive towards Bruno.
    Bruno was constantly vilified for something out of his control, even by his own family. Pepe blames him for her wedding and she lets her son talk about him like he’s some sort of monster.
    Dolores heard him living in the walls of the house and said nothing despite the fact she could probably hear signs of sadness.
    Abuela even says that Bruno hated the family, somehow not seeing that he left because he’s constantly vilified and outcasted by his own family and mother.
    ALL the people that live in the town don’t like him for things that don’t even have anything to do with him (like a fish dying.)
    I’m surprised he didn’t kill himself, he probably hasn’t felt love in a long time.
    The movie really glosses over his abuse, once he starts singing with the family they all just accept him. I think? I wouldn’t doubt if the family went right back to bullying him again.

    • @Rose-cq3bf
      @Rose-cq3bf 2 роки тому +4

      now this is a very extreme opinion first of all he didn't leave cuz he never felt love and wants to off himself
      1- he left to try and fix the cracks between the wall and to protect mirables image cuz he knows they'll take it the wrong way i mean he himself wasn't sure about the vision
      2- dolores kept saying she hears him and the rats in the wall she kept dropping hints that he’s near but pple never listen to her she even defended him in the song saying his gift was humbling and the family didn't understand his prophesies and it kept them fumbling also imagine telling a little girl the man of her dream will be given to someone else
      3- what happen between him and pepa was a misunderstanding and lack of communication he probably just came in with an awkward smile saw his sister sweating and wanted to cheer her up by making a joke and his overly anxious sister took that the wrong way and then he goes to disappear but it makes sense that her and alma immediately hugged him bc that's their son/brother who disappeared without an explanation can you really blame them for thinking he didn't care about them
      4- as for the towns pple they were completely dramatic and did villinize him so did camilo who barely knew him I mean he doesn't control your body weight you just don't like to be told to lay off the chicken wings

    • @argo8276
      @argo8276 2 роки тому +3

      I don't think the whole family is abusive towards him.
      Probably abuela and the townsfolks but the whole family?no

    • @ClaudetteVioletta
      @ClaudetteVioletta 2 роки тому +1

      @@argo8276 Pepa probably was just not so close to him, that explains why after probably 22 years later he explains her about that joke in the wedding

  • @offbeatkiki
    @offbeatkiki 2 роки тому +32

    I agree with you on Stephanie Beatriz having hella range. I was shocked when I saw her name for Mirabel in the credits. It's a great film and I think anyone calling Abuela abusive is not thinking very critically about the film.

    • @marvincorre4783
      @marvincorre4783 2 роки тому

      "I think anyone calling Abuela abusive is not thinking very critically". Abuela blamed Mirabel for everything that happened when it reality, she was the real problem here. Stop defending abusers that accuses their grandchildren of shit they didn't do.

    • @offbeatkiki
      @offbeatkiki 2 роки тому

      @@marvincorre4783 I am an actual familial abuse victim so I'll exercise my right to share my opinion on this as much as I damn please.

    • @marvincorre4783
      @marvincorre4783 2 роки тому

      @@offbeatkiki It’s not an “opinion”, you trying to make it seem like Abuela isn’t an “antagonist” while she literally abused the whole family by forcing them to be perfect and shunning Bruno and Mirabel and you have the audacity to say “Anyone calling Abuela abusive is not thinking critically about you film”, people has the right to call Abuela out for her abusive behavior.

  • @rohanwilliams239
    @rohanwilliams239 2 роки тому +4

    I think that the truth might lie somewhere between your argument and the other one. On the one hand, it's not like abuela was a Jafar. On the other hand, you did bring forth the concept of people being worthy of redemption. A person can only truly be redeemed if they did something wrong to begin with. Abuela may have had understandable reasons, but she did do some horrible things to her family and put the magic before her family. In the end she understood and saught forgiveness.which was given and the family became better for all of it. One shouldn't conflate the bad thing she did to being monstrous but one shouldn't dismiss them either.

  • @evaundertale2247
    @evaundertale2247 2 роки тому +8

    Personally I think only the granny might count as a form of it for the emotional abuse part of all the family you can see the effects it has on them but that's just me I don't think she ment to but it still did effect them it effected Bruno, Isabella and Mirabel. I know she thought she was doing the right thing that would keep the family together but she did push people away.

  • @NAVEMAN3
    @NAVEMAN3 2 роки тому +10

    They may have their own problems and trauma but that's still not an excuse for the family and the community to treat Mirabel and Bruno for that matter like shit. Even if it was unintentional.

    • @ClaudetteVioletta
      @ClaudetteVioletta 2 роки тому +1

      Except only Alma and Isabela (eh, and kinda Pepa) wee rough on them at the beggining

    • @plata4682
      @plata4682 2 роки тому +1

      @@ClaudetteVioletta and Isabella's behaviour looked like a typical love-hate sibling relationship

  • @SunshineSwears
    @SunshineSwears 2 роки тому +4

    This is trauma, not abuse. Trauma can be caused without intent, abuse is always intentional

  • @steelersguy74
    @steelersguy74 2 роки тому +3

    I never thought they were terrible. Mirabel clearly had a positive relationship with her parents, Luisa and the cousins. The big issue was the fact the underlying issues weren’t being properly addressed.

  • @greensciencegeek
    @greensciencegeek 2 роки тому +7

    Thank you!
    I think abuela had her own pressure to deal with. She went from grieving widow to town leader in minutes. Hell yes she better protect the miracle, it was what was saving the village!

  • @mathieuleader8601
    @mathieuleader8601 2 роки тому +8

    they reminds me of a respectable version of the Charlotte Family from the Whole Cake Island arc in the popular anime/manga One Piece

  • @lovinani7
    @lovinani7 2 роки тому +5

    If there's anything this movie teaches us it's this:
    COMMUNICATION IS IMPORTANT
    Soooooo many people are afraid to talk these days and would prefer to bottle everything up. The fear of being vulnerable is what's holding people back. I know there's legitimate toxic people who don't care and won't care no matter how much you try to talk to them, and those are the types of people you need to cut ties with. But in the end, we all have baggage that needs to be sorted out, and those who care will do their best to sort it out with one another.

  • @elainexe
    @elainexe 2 роки тому +12

    I mighta used slightly harsher terms for Alma. But seriously. She's not evil! And she's very dedicated to the family (even with very misplaced priorities). I loved seeing her turnaround at the end. And I wonder if what we see in the movie is also worse than usual just because there are two very important events--higher stress than usual. And the times where Mirabel is put down are those relating to the magic. Yeah these things weren't good....but they might not have been there as much day to day.
    And XDDD YESSS the ending to your video made me laugh. New evil matriarch Mirabel

    • @abidubsprodection485
      @abidubsprodection485 2 роки тому

      True and im sure she loves mirable even tho she dosent got a gift like anyone else... and im pretty sure her whole family loves her more then anything!

  • @EddyA-sw5ox
    @EddyA-sw5ox 2 роки тому +17

    You had me dying with that twist ending! XD
    But thank you for making this video. It's pretty messed up that so many are accusing the Madrigals as being abusive while ignoring how they make up for their actions at the end, especially Abuela. As a Hispanic guy, I feel that alot of those criticisms are from American perspectives.

    • @ClaudetteVioletta
      @ClaudetteVioletta 2 роки тому +2

      Yeah! Only English languaje, mostly americans are complaining about that. In hispanic comunity no Many see that way. Indeed, they only blame Abuela (as they should). Check how they never called Baker family (,Cheaper by the dozen) that out. Oh, and btw
      IT WAS JUST A PHOTO! Yeah it's Bad but she decided not yo be there and really abusive people do way more awful things

    • @starrsmith3810
      @starrsmith3810 2 роки тому +2

      @@ClaudetteVioletta Kn American and even I don’t believe they were abusive. More like familial trauma.

  • @andresomerville4896
    @andresomerville4896 2 роки тому +13

    I really enjoyed Encanto. I want to see more from those wacky characters, but I'm not sure there was enough left unsaid to justify a sequel. One idea I have is that the raiders could come back now that the mountain was spilt in half. In a sequel the surrounding village could be explored more now that we know the main household so well. Their are characters whose magic rooms we didn't get to see. It would be good to see more of the characters as they go about there routines in the village like they did for Luisa. How would they prepare if the raiders did come back?

    • @shelbymckinney8888
      @shelbymckinney8888 2 роки тому +2

      How about a tv series instead.

    • @AnnaMno1
      @AnnaMno1 2 роки тому +1

      There is still pleanty that could happen in a sequal, if you take into account that a major conflict isn't always needed. Sometumes something simple can be what's needed.
      It could show the process of trying to be better, the set backs, falling into old patterens without realising, maybe focus on Pepa amd Felix's side of the family and the pressures they were under a bit more. Bruno being intergrated back into the family and community after 10 years. Simple threads of their lives continuing can make for interesting stories still

  • @viviennemorgan7217
    @viviennemorgan7217 2 роки тому +4

    i think that alma abuses mirabel rather than her entire family and when she left, her father is the only one who stands up to her.

  • @Hamantha
    @Hamantha 2 роки тому +3

    No one was expressly malicious or hateful, maybe Isabella, but she was pettier more than anything, like y’know, sisters tend to be like. I feel like the general audience genuinely can’t or won’t think or try to see past the basic face value of these movies. If it isn’t spoon said, it doesn’t exist to them. I appreciate videos like this

  • @rynbliss
    @rynbliss 2 роки тому +4

    im honestly in love with the whole ensemble with abuela being my least favorite, and she 's definitely the one who is most clearly in the wrong, but she's not labeled the villain of the story for a reason. she herself is a victim and experienced a lot of trauma that she just didnt have the tools to work through in a healthy way, and it ended up negatively affecting the people around her. everyone in the story has their flaws, some being pretty major, but they're all well intentioned for the most part and doing the best they can with what they have.
    i def think alma gets a lot more hate than she deserves, her portrayal is incredibly realistic and nuanced. yes, having your own trauma isn't an excuse to hurt others, but she deserves the chance to heal just as much as anyone else. in the end the family is full of love for each other.

  • @MeemahSN
    @MeemahSN 2 роки тому +3

    Alma wasn’t evil, just someone who was scared to let go of traditional values in fear of the magic dying out, but what she failed to realise was that not letting those traditions fade was the very reason the magic WAS dying. I don’t believe she intended to neglect Mirabel, but rather got too caught up with keeping the magic and the old traditions that came with it alive, that she forgot to pay closer attention to her granddaughter, essentially cutting her out. It wasn’t until she was actually confronted that she began to realise it was never Mirabel’s fault, and thus Alma’s development begins to take shape. She’s able to learn from her mistakes at last, and finally let go of her trauma, opening her eyes to the truth so she can finally make it right.

  • @Alex2468ful
    @Alex2468ful 2 роки тому +3

    I’d venture to say her family allowing Isabela and Abuela to speak to Mirabel the way they did would be the only time they were negligent and complicit. Isabela may be older but respect is earned especially amongst siblings. I have a sister Isabela who was reminds me a lot of the movie equivalent just in terms of always being extremely beautiful and things being handed to her. Abuela reminds me of my father. Love is conditional for the most part. If you don’t fit the mold you’re ostracized and when you finally explode you become the villain because you spoke “disrespectfully” to an elder.

  • @queenoffoliage
    @queenoffoliage 2 роки тому +5

    If folks think Encanto's family is abusive... Then I really wonder what they'll say to me when they learn about my even more dysfunctional family that I'll still stick around with

  • @nithya8996
    @nithya8996 2 роки тому +3

    For everyone who says " but Abuela ain't abusive she is just rough and traumatized " firstly, ever heard of ' emotional abuse? "
    Second, one being traumatized is not an excuse to be abusive towards others. Their suffering is valid tho.

  • @catlover5998
    @catlover5998 2 роки тому +3

    The family is not abusie.
    I did not like what grandma did but I can understand why she acted that way.
    Also I don't get why people did not want the grandma to get a second chance.

  • @sonicx945
    @sonicx945 2 роки тому +8

    12:41 Honestly this could be said about most of SU critics too.

  • @TwisterTH
    @TwisterTH 2 роки тому

    I’m so glad that you used dancing videos during songs at 0:58
    Stuff like this are always a treat. 😌

  • @AJedits65
    @AJedits65 2 роки тому +5

    The criticism for the family is some straight up star giant productions bullshit

  • @rustecohle591
    @rustecohle591 2 роки тому +6

    Love the song recommendation I just liked both albums on Spotify

  • @genquin
    @genquin 2 роки тому +2

    Your opening is awesome and catchy 😁👍

  • @koko-xb6pe
    @koko-xb6pe 2 роки тому +1

    Who else saw that one video where the guy roasting the Madrigal family said Alma got Hanna Baker when they were talking about the husbands??

  • @jasminepelaez1210
    @jasminepelaez1210 2 роки тому +2

    I'm really loving the intro :)

  • @NIGEL341Hilasd
    @NIGEL341Hilasd 2 роки тому

    That last bit about trauma association was fantastic and a great point on which to end this video. Thanks for the thoughts, Mann

  • @Hamantha
    @Hamantha 2 роки тому

    10:08 as someone who has that happen to them on many occasions, if you do what Mirabel did, then they will assume you just don’t want to be in the photo and try to oblige. Just throwing it out there

  • @kermit00000
    @kermit00000 2 роки тому +2

    I feel like one of the reasons that I myself, is still hesitant towards abuela Alma. Is because there should've been more time spent on the communication and understanding at the end. I feel like Encanto deserves to be a show. Because the movies great, but there's so much people in the family that we barely get to focus on all the individual trauma and experiences. There isn't that much time spent at the end for them to sort it out and communicate because they have like 5 minutes of it. No hate to the creators of course. Movies can't be 10 hours long. But that's why it would make more sense as a series imo.
    If you read that essay, cool, and thanks :D

  • @zeroeu5510
    @zeroeu5510 2 роки тому

    And bro, idk were are you from, but I’m from South America, and that hits way close to home.
    They are more or less a blank slate for the tropes and tendencies of our families. For example: the mom healing people with food is insanely specific, and there is a lot of things that could be explored, and that includes the toxic side of it.
    For those ho know and have those experiences this movie is extremely deep. But for those ho don’t, it doesn’t have much on the screen to actually see or understand.

  • @krystalhuntress6795
    @krystalhuntress6795 2 роки тому +2

    HELP ME The ending ramble about evil Mirabel sent me

  • @DrawciaGleam02
    @DrawciaGleam02 2 роки тому +5

    I've heard similar discussions about Steven's family (Steven Universe is the show I'm talking about).
    And watching Future made me concerned when people said that Mirabel's destiny is being the anchor of the family.....
    Steven pretty much took on that role and look what happened to him!!!

    • @RayOfTruth
      @RayOfTruth 2 роки тому +2

      Steven made peace with the Diamonds to prevent more war and casualties, but Future made it clear he didn't really forgive them and only was only acting nice towards them to protect everyone else.

    • @DrawciaGleam02
      @DrawciaGleam02 2 роки тому +1

      @@RayOfTruth
      Ah....
      I was actually talking about about how much time he spent during the series helping the Crystal Gems grow past their issues and trauma, but it seemed to come at the cost at his emotional and mental state....Future showed the pitfalls of putting a young teen in that role.
      I'm worried that Mirabel might go through a similar arc if other family members like Luisa, Bruno, and Felix don't help/support her in her future role as the family guardian.

    • @RayOfTruth
      @RayOfTruth 2 роки тому +4

      @@DrawciaGleam02 the difference is that in Steven's case it was purely out of political negotiations to avoid more humans and gems dying in a war that could easily be prevented rather than Steven thinking of them as family.

  • @thunderreviews522
    @thunderreviews522 2 роки тому +2

    I never truly believed that her family was oppressive. Alma was kinda rough on her in the beginning due to her high expectations. We understand where she's coming from, because it was Pedro's sacrifice that even got them there in the first place.

  • @vibezonegaming
    @vibezonegaming 2 роки тому

    I personally think if the family had at least 1 member who still felt hurt by Alma in the end it would’ve felt a bit more realistic.

  • @maytalacedo2942
    @maytalacedo2942 2 роки тому +3

    How do people mistook the movie easily? I don't really see it as abusive. It was more about unrealistic expectations and how to be yourself and talked it out with the family and how to improve better. It shows no one is perfect and and humanize the characters in their own way. That's how I see it when watching this movie recently.

    • @ClaudetteVioletta
      @ClaudetteVioletta 2 роки тому +1

      Not gonna lie, It's been a long tiene since they mistook a Disney movie THIS HARD (I Even had to explained to My Friends). They Made us wait ngl

  • @itsasecrettoeveryone7158
    @itsasecrettoeveryone7158 2 роки тому +2

    I'm seeing a bit of abuse. And before all the mobs come rushing to purge the dissident, i'm drawing from my real world experience. Something bad happens? It was my fault. Everyone else in the family does something useful, not me. And talking it out? Yeah, if i wanted to hear them come up with a myriad of excuses as to why the way they treated me was justified and insults if i tried to explain it wasn't. My point is treating anyone as if they're less important than anyone else or using them as a scapegoat is still abuse even if it's not as serious as other forms. Really Bruno has it worse ''hey Bruno see my future! I'm gonna lose a hand?! It's your fault!''

    • @ClaudetteVioletta
      @ClaudetteVioletta 2 роки тому +1

      I think the town was that abusive to Bruno when we talk about profecies. Pepa didn't ask for that ''profecy'' it was just an awkward comment to her like a joke, and no one else in the family (Except Isa and Dolores, which had good/decente profecies) talk about anything he told to them

  • @nicholasjohnston1970
    @nicholasjohnston1970 2 роки тому +1

    On top of that the only people who were actually mean to merabel were Abuela and Isabella and Isabella was just normal older sister mean

  • @AlCartoonist
    @AlCartoonist 2 роки тому +3

    I also want to add how these takes about cutting the family off are always ALWAYS coming from American points of view, when Encanto is explicitly about a Hispanic family. I'm not Columbian, but their culture does have some crossover with Mexican culture, especially in terms of family dynamics. Family is incredibly important to Hispanics. We have large families like this and always stay in contact with each other. My parents didn't move out of their parents house until they got married, and even then they lived close enough for regular visits. This idea of "cutting yourself off" from the family is INSANE to a Hispanic family because it's ingrained in your identity. American families are allowed to have a more independent life outside of their immediate family, but Hispanic families, especially like the ones in Encanto, are built in unity and always being there for each other, and leaving that family can have really big consequences for those who decide to leave. Which sure, may be difficult if there is an abusive family member or whatever, but if you think it's as easy as "just leave them", you're clearly assuming the Madrigals have the same family experience as your likely American family. They don't.

    • @ClaudetteVioletta
      @ClaudetteVioletta 2 роки тому +2

      actually, that sounds kinda victimblaming, like "why didn't she run away?" let's asume Madrigals were that abusive. Running away from an abusive enviorment is hard, because of emotional abuse that make you feel guilty. Even for some, trying to run away is dangerous

  • @LilfoxTheHybridHylian5967
    @LilfoxTheHybridHylian5967 2 роки тому +3

    Yes...,yes and no
    It's like in the middle
    I just love the message in the movie. Pretty accurate on family issues irl such as expectations or being outcasted

  • @abidubsprodection485
    @abidubsprodection485 2 роки тому +1

    The family is ok. They all love mirable (even her sister isabella!) but the grandmother is abit harsh but im pretty sure she was not trying to be abusive tworeds mirable!

  • @ClaudetteVioletta
    @ClaudetteVioletta 2 роки тому +1

    Second comment:
    Gotta love how people bitch about Mirabel not being in the photo por Agustín and Feliz "can" when in the Town, allowed to everyone, there's a Paint of all the family, Mirabel and Bruno included, but both hunsband/Madrigal by marriage AREN'T Even THERE
    Confirms that Mirabel wasn't in the photo because she didn't want to and they just forgot (Alma would hace probably forget about Agustín and Félix If they were apart too)

  • @BlackReshiram
    @BlackReshiram 2 роки тому +1

    ppl thinking the madrigal fam is abusive seriously have some warped ass expectations of whats abusive and what aint

  • @accidentlyapollo
    @accidentlyapollo 2 роки тому

    Before watching I’d say the roles of the family are set for them. They’re all products of their situations, Bruno with his power, Abuela with her traumatic coming to be.

  • @ToiletBonnieLikesPVZ
    @ToiletBonnieLikesPVZ 2 роки тому +2

    Best female Encanto character: Luisa
    Best male Encanto character: Bruno

  • @MetriceBell
    @MetriceBell 2 роки тому

    I can't even think after think after that ending, I'm DYING XD

  • @zahidireed3483
    @zahidireed3483 2 роки тому +1

    When’s your Best of 2021 is coming out?

  • @SakiNaoko
    @SakiNaoko 2 роки тому

    They are saying it many times in the movie : We don't talk about Bruno -> We don't talk about what goes wrong

  • @drewhaynes1874
    @drewhaynes1874 2 роки тому +1

    Tbh the family was nice..... But Alma while wasnt abusive she sure as hell gaslighted mirabel and kinda treated her as if she wasnt special because she had no power.
    Isabella was kinda a !;@:!×@& and the part that made her change wasnt out of apology for mirabels treatment it was because she made a cactus... She never apologized... Or acknowledged how she treated mirabel for years and as mirabel said her whole life.

  • @Salamon2
    @Salamon2 2 роки тому +2

    This review earned a new sweet sweet lover to the subscribe button. 😉

  • @ameliacurtis2009
    @ameliacurtis2009 2 роки тому +1

    I honestly agree with him on every level, except the last part about Mirabel being the devil. She's not. But she was the gift, and I think that she replaced the candle and not Abula. And Abula isn't that bad! She really (in my opinion) loved her family. I mean, when Mirabel was missing after the house fell down, she cared enough to go looking for her!

  • @twistysunshine
    @twistysunshine 2 роки тому +1

    Some of my abusive family is v similar to some of the characters in the movie. I don't judge people for relating to it that way. I had to cut my family off
    But like that's what's nice about Encanto? In the end the family members hurting each other realize what's wrong and they fix it. It gets better. That's not how my family is gonna go, so it's nice to see a better version

  • @silh3345
    @silh3345 2 роки тому +6

    I wouldn’t say the entire family is abusive but abuela is definitely emotionally abusive. Her parents are great and supportive of her no matter what and same with the rest of her family. Abuela on the other hand is emotionally abusive towards a few of the family members. The fact that she didn’t stand up for her own son when everyone was treating him awfully because of his gift and instead made him feel like his power was a burden is awful. The way she makes everyone act perfectly and fit her ideal of how they should be in order to protect her reputation is borderline narcissistic. Pepa isn’t allowed to express her natural emotions and is forced to constantly control them and be happy, Luisa is never allowed a break and constantly has to do all the hard work and heavy lifting alone even though she’s only a teenager and considering her anxiety levels when she’s not able to do her job she’s probably had to deal with these insane responsibilities for a really long time maybe even since she received her gift when she was only a child, Isabela has always been forced to keep up this perfect facade and is even expected to marry a guy against her will to keep up the family image when in reality she’s just a young girl wanting to express herself and not have to be perfect all the time. Those are all emotional abuse and it obviously affects the whole family and you can tell by how they’re dealing with all the pressure mentally. She may have gone through trauma and have a fear that everything will fall apart if they’re not perfect and she may not be completely aware of how her behavior is toxic because she’s too blinded by her own feelings to see everyone else’s, however that doesn’t mean she’s not abusive. By definition her behavior is considered emotional abuse. Trauma doesn’t excuse abuse, like trauma doesn’t excuse being a chronically so why should we be so quick to excuse abusive behavior caused by trauma. Trauma and abuse are often connected and people who have gone through some kind of trauma are more likely to become abusive. There are so many people who are abusive towards others because of their past trauma, we can’t just let their behavior slide because they have trauma, it’s their responsibility to work through that trauma and not let it affect the lives of others.

  • @yourslavicfriendsmiles9379
    @yourslavicfriendsmiles9379 2 роки тому +1

    lin manuel miranda did make the music so i expect nothing less

  • @thirdplanet4471
    @thirdplanet4471 2 роки тому +1

    That skullgirls music

  • @zeroeu5510
    @zeroeu5510 2 роки тому

    Yes they just don’t show that enough because of the lack of time.

  • @avrinrose5457
    @avrinrose5457 2 роки тому +2

    Can you talk about Kaitou Joker?

  • @thatpunygirl___149yes8
    @thatpunygirl___149yes8 2 роки тому

    I’d say neglectful is a better way to describe the family.

  • @cartooncottage2024
    @cartooncottage2024 2 роки тому

    4:15 Oh my gosh! That same woman was her?🤩

  • @ericbuckner3806
    @ericbuckner3806 2 роки тому

    While in the end I'll just say this, abuela Alma is still the antagonist because every film needs one I mean just look up sideways video on the goofy movie and then you know what I mean and While yes she looks down at mirable as not a mistake but as a missplacement and so while she not evil or bad in anyone because in the end grief can turn us into an antagonist of the family even when we don't want to.

  • @jenneacubero1036
    @jenneacubero1036 2 роки тому

    To be fair, at least Alma wasn't too unrealistic in her standards like Imelda from "Coco" and Triton from "Little Mermaid" for that matter. Who bans MUSIC from their household?!

    • @ClaudetteVioletta
      @ClaudetteVioletta 2 роки тому +1

      Abuela Rivera literally DESTROYED Miguel guittar in front of him (almost his dream) and Triton DESTROYED in front of his daugther her belover cage and they were fogiven by both characthers in movie AND fandom. Madrigals and Alma are just little scared mouse compared to these two

  • @4ngiel0ver
    @4ngiel0ver 2 роки тому

    There is no EXCUSE for abuse, but everyone is able to CHANGE, no matter their past actions

  • @moxxiedemongamer3019
    @moxxiedemongamer3019 2 роки тому +1

    Still do think Encanto is a Great Disney animated movie but I'd don't think the Family is that abusive

  • @brambi455
    @brambi455 2 роки тому

    The ending was wonderful

  • @rubysclera9021
    @rubysclera9021 2 роки тому

    Yes, thank you! Some one said it!