The Madrigal Family Is Way Worse Than You Think!
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- Опубліковано 19 жов 2023
- Now hear me out, I know it seems obvious at first. Like... just watch the movie right? Well... I think it actually goes way deeper than the film implies, and it not gonna be resolved as quickly or easily as the film suggests. Take a listen and you'll see.
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The thing that hurts me so much about this movie is when the Casita is breaking apart, and it's trying to save the rest of the family before it breaks down - Maribel's parents are screaming for her to leave it and escape with them. But Maribel has been taught her whole life that the family's magic is far more important than her. So she risks her life to save it. That is Abuela's influence on her family, and I think she realized it in that moment just how much she damaged her family. She could have lost one of her granddaughter's and said granddaughter would have just been doing what she had been taught her whole life.
*Mirabel
My mom HATED Alma because she reminded her of her father when it comes to abuse. The only difference is that they traded fists for words.
Yeah, with 12 family members, the story and arcs were wrapped up super quickly. I imagine this is because they didn't realize how popular it'd be and thought this would be a one and done project.
True, I really wish they make a TV show or something because there’s so much they can build off of.
They need to make spin-offs because some characters were definitely not built enough, like Dolores, or Camilo
the way I interpreted the ending was they were learning to heal but not fully there. Mirabel never even actually forgave abuela she just said she was willing to fix their relationship
@@Orchid_123 I think a sequel starring Antonio would make the most sense. He's the youngest Madrigal and like a little brother to Mirabel (which was weird to me since he doesn't show up much save for his ceremony and letting Bruno borrow his room).
@@OpticalSorcerer Yea, I mainly think all of Pepa's kids need their own thing cause they felt a little underdeveloped compared to Julieta's. I know its because they're Mirabel's sisters, but leave some room for the cousins to expand as well.
Still cant believe Julieta and Augustin did NOT notice how Mirabel was not in the family picture in the beginning of the movie! Im also surprised that Louisa didnt say anything about it. That Mirabel was excluded from this moment without ANY family member, not even Antonio who JUST needed Mirabels support a few minutes before is noticing shes missing. Its such a small detail but it upsets me so much that no one in the movie talked about it! I mean even Felix and Augustin were in the picture and they dont have a gift. It almost gives me the feeling as if she was willingly excluded by everyone.
It happens, as a kid in a big family you can sometimes get lost or forgotten not out of malice but because there’s a flurry of things happening. In my case my family felt really bad about it and apologized profusely. I don’t know if this is what exactly happened with the Madrigals.
Don’t forget all the town’s people. They use the powers of the family to do everything for them. Guy can’t even collect his donkeys without them. 😅
I know just fix the dam fence so the asses can't escape
Literally, dude build a fence, PLEASE
I'm curious about how the town is going to function/react to the family healing and setting new boundaries. At the end we see Casita helping Luisa relax, I bet it's going to take a hot minute for the towns people to get used to treating her like a person and not a strong magic task-doing robot that they can command without even a please or thank you. Also they will have to deal with Pepa expressing her emotions in a healthier way, and therefor, less perfect weather. I wonder if they're going to build a bit of a resentment because things are going to be less perfect now that the Madrigals are practicing self-care. I honestly get the vibe that the Madrigal the townspeople are nicest towards is Mirabel herself because she's "a person like them" and not a tool for the Encanto. Will they resent her to for instigating the healing/boundaries or will they confide in her that they don't like that her family is less useful now.
They didn’t treat Mirabel the nicest. They kept making fun of her and belittling her for not having powers, didn’t they? As for resentment… what are they gonna do? Revolt? The Madrigals are basically gods and can defend themselves now more than ever with their increased control over their powers. The townsfolk will learn to live with it.
@@Adam-326 I guess nicest wasn't the right word. The most human? They didn't treat her as a tool to complete tasks like her family. And I got the vide that the guy at the start that gave her the "not-special special" wasn't trying to be rude and legitimately thought he was being nice by "compensating" her for not having magic. Others helped her with her song as well. It felt like they were trying to be nice but didn't know how to go about it in her case.
How does the town even function without the Madrigals?
Highly unlikely if you listen to the ending song they literally sang "Lay down your load"
Meaning they've already accepted the fact that the family cannot always help them and sometimes they gotta do it themselves, hence they actually rebuilt the entire house, you are being way too harsh on the townsfolk when its clearly shown to be a happy ending
I feel like Pepa's powers, like Isabella's, were supposed to mature with her
They're so reactant to her emotions because nobody lets her feel things
Isabella's powers grew behond flowers because she stopped regulating her emotions, and maybe Pepa's powers would be become controllable if she was allowed to feel her emotions freely
Honestly I fully agree with this. I really hated how the whole family let abulea get away with the sh*t she was pulling and loved when Mirabel finally stood up to her like "yes girl, you give that grandma hell!". Yes abulea has trauma, but that only explains her actions it doesn't excuse them.
Yes you are so right! I was sooo shocked at the end of the movie when Abuela just says sorry and Mirabel is just like "That's fine." Like excuse me, no? If I was Mirabel I would be like "Sorry isn't going to cut it!!"
And also the siblings have a wholesome reunion as if they didn't refuse to talk about their brother for the past 10 years.
And also the parents are unable to give the emotional support that literally all the children need. Isabella doesn't want to get married, Louisa struggles with her powers, Dolores likes her cousins boyfriend and also can hear her uncle who no one's seen for 10 years in the walls but none of these children even tell their parents about their problems, the two people you're supposed to feel the happiest and most safe around.
This whole family definitely needs therapy.
Bro this is facts. You’ve failed as a parent when your children are more willing to confide in their youngest sibling rather than you. Youngest mind you, like that should never be the role of the youngest child.
Bruno represents neurodivergent people and/or people with mental health issues. People like Bruno are often ostracized by their families, not talked about and are reviled despite the fact their conditions are treatable and they just need some understanding. Also, I like this analysis of the larger family, I hope Disney does more with the franchise.
The psychology of all the characters is very interesting, but we fail to really dive into it because it's so many characters for one movie. I find it interesting that (at least from what we see) Pepa is the only member of her family who experiences the stress. I do wonder if Alma favors her daughters/grandaughters more than her son/grandsons, given that their gifts are much more useful--except for Dolores, which is why she may fly under the radar. It would also tie into the deleted scene where Mirabel is cleaning with Felix and Agustin--non-biological members of the Madrigal family and thus powerless, who both happen to be guys.
You haven't been in a hard core Hispanic family have you?
You get the Bruno treatment if you mildly underperform.
@@dbzcupcakeSounds like they want their kids to be as perfect as God Himself
@@dbzcupcakeyou say that like it should be normal 😟
That’s me.
I think other Madriagals should have yelled at Alma as well, especially Isabella and Luisa
they were scared of her so they didn’t. It’s a big thing in Latin America to respect the matriarch which is why mirabel standing up for them all is such a big deal.
@@lilac3266 Maybe that's part of the reason "Encanto" is stirring so much controversy. They are applying Latin American values to a North American audience while trying to preserve the Disney ideals, but early Disney films were more story driven than character driven and as far as I can tell "Encanto" was the studio's first attempt at creating character driven plots.
Honestly I wish that Mirabel's dad actually yelled at Alma.
He was kind of close with the "I was looking out for my daughter"
@@bluebird1914 I seen an interview saying that nobody stepped in becasue it was mirabels moment. Like she’s capable of standing up for herself and nobody needed to say anything else because she said it all
Maybe not yelled at her (since I feel like such a thing would kinda take away from the big emotional moment when Mirabel does it), but they should’ve at least called her out. Or spoken up about how they felt. But then again, I guess that’s why Mirabel specifically was the one that was chosen to save the magic. She was the only one brave enough to break the cycle of trauma.
You know if Pepa has her emotional state manipulated that much it makes me think she was gas lit into having Antonio to fix Mirabel not getting a gift especially with the age gaps of his siblings.
this has been debunked a year ago!
That’s what happened. Her own mother forced her to have a kid at age 40 which was risky enough as it is risking the health of the baby just to prove that the magic is strong and that her granddaughter was a mistake.
@@NAVEMAN3 no it didn’t!
@@lilac3266 It's true. Why else would Pepa have a kid knowing that a woman 40 or over has a high chance of dying from childbirth and the child has a small chance of having a learning disability. I should know since my mom had me at 40 and I have a learning and a speaking disability. Thank God Antonio didn't have either of those cause back in the 1950s, Colombia or not, you would go to a 'special hospital' if you have any of those.
@@NAVEMAN3 because women can still have children at that age and it’s a stigma to say older women can’t have children. And the fact the director himself fully confirmed pepa wanted a child and didn’t feel any pressure. Stop forcing narratives that aren’t there.
Don’t forget that Alma made Isabela get married because she looked similar to Alma as a kid and basically wanted to live vicariously through Isa there’s a great animatic song by MilyyMelodies where Isabela did go through with the marriage and how she’s cracking under the pressure
Honestly I feel so seen after watching this. I've been stuck with a narcissistic mother for an unbearably long time. When I first started watching this movie I thought, "Finally! A movie that shows just how much narcissistic family dynamics can mess someone up!" Because even though Tangled was good at showing what a narcissistic mother is like, Rapunzel turned out waaaaay too okay. This movie really showed the trauma. Then stabbed every survivor in the back by having Abuela magically develop self-awareness and remorse in her 70s? Like, really??? That scene with her and Mirabel by the river toward the end was so gross. I was as ticked off as Dr. Ramani after reading The Giving Tree. But when I tried to talk about it online, people just gaslighted me and said Abuela's not an abusive narc, just a woman who's been through a lot. Ummm YEAH every narcissist went through a lot. That's how they turn out so bad. But it doesn't justify decades and generations of abuse!
how was it gross??
god forbid the children’s movie shows that people can take accountability and try be better people
I'm sorry about your experiences, but just speaking about the movie and what the movie showed, it makes sense that someone would show remorse after the very embodiment of _everything_ they've been trying to preserve (The house) gets destroyed right in front of their eyes immediately after someone calls them out as the reason everything is crumbling in the first place, it makes sense that that would be an eye opener.
As someone whose mother was extremely abusive and narcissistic (though she’s much closer to having HPD rather than NPD, imo. Not that she’d ever seek help), and who was ostracized just like Mirabel because I happened to be born two years before the first grandchild (the golden child), I understand your frustration.
But sometimes people do randomly change in their 60’s and 70’s. My Mom did, and it’s horrible because I never got treatment and still can’t afford treatment for the trauma she inflicted on our entire family, but simply isn’t that person anymore and has made concerted efforts to change.
So, it doesn’t always happen. It shouldn’t be expected to happen. But it can happen.
A channel on this site called Cinema Therapy did a wonderful episode on this topic, discussing all about Toxic Perfectionism from the experience and expertise of a licensed therapist (and a filmmaker "who needs therapy" because I can't talk about Jonathan without mentioning Alan). It's really an excellent study into the characters and the entire Madrigal family dynamic, and I encourage anyone who has had similar experiences with their own family to watch it in it's entirety.
I LOVE Cinema Therapy!!!
i hate how alma is the only one to learn her lessor when other family members were bad as well.
Do a video about how crazy and unhinged Miguel's grandmother is.
Oof I really hated Alma. So much mistreatment and 1 "sorry" (which if I remember right, wasn't even an outright sorry, it was just said in a way that we understood she was sorry.) is not enough to make up for everything. Does she even recognize all the things she has done or just the surface level of it? Because she sounds to me like someone who would say "Sorry you got upset for what I did.... but it was for the greater good of the village." How much will she change from this?
My own grandma changed her view of perfection after grandpa died of Alzheimer but everything else of her personality stayed relatively the same. I wonder if Alma´s version of perfection and servitude would change across the board, or just slightly.
Encanto should have ended with abuela or mirabel leaving the town, bc holy shit.
If i were mirabel i would NEVER set foot in that house again, or talk to my family. Mirabel is showns to be mentally and verbally abused and neglected her whole life by not only her shitty family, but by everyone in the village, and its all played as a joke. Not even her parents (who show to be against that treatment) stand up for her, they just sit and watch their youngest get berated by everyone and treated like a nuisance bc she doesnt have powers, all bc they dont want abuela's wrath to be placed on *them*. Everyone except for bruno and antonio fails this girl
I Agree💯💯💯
Does anyone of Abuela's grandkids and children get a break from community service? I mean, if I was forced or coerced into providing for the town's livelihood at just the young age of five years old, I would be pretty resentful, bitter and unwilling to forgive Abuela for making me live a childhood like that and then marry one of the town's people just to have kids just to continue lifelong servitude.
I have my own trauma that I am still dealing with and I just feel like society, especially a Christian majority one pushes forgiveness because it's something that is owed and being bitter and resentful makes you just as bad as the person that hurt you.
Maybe they didn’t do it at five, but some years later as their powers develop and grow as they are young, but once they reach a certain age(around double digits,12 likely) they start getting things done and working for the community.
If I was Mirabelle, after everything that happens in the movie; I would not forgive Abuela. I would have probably just left the bakery entirely and told the rest of the family that they could find me, but not her.
as some who has (and lives with) a very abusive grandmother this film honestly digusts me as it perpetuates the popular idea of "Grandparents can't be abusive and if they are its justified" This mindset actively hurts people as it leads to wider culture letting these kind of abusers get away with it
this is absolutely not what the movie is about y’all need to rewatch the last half hour
she LITERALLY APOLOGIZES AT THE END😭😭
Exactly! 👏
@@delphoxhoopa7289they didn't even understand the point of the gosh dang movie💀
Ummm no, did you watch the movie like at all?
No, you are not reading too much in to it. I see the problems too. Abuela has a long way to go, she probably won't live long enough to make amends. I can see her family practicing forbearance to keep them together, but exoneration as depicted? Good thing it's a cartoon and we can more easily accept the end. But if this exact same story was played out in live action, no one would buy the ending. Everyone would see Abuela for the monster she is.
I 100% agree with you, yes abuel was deeply traumatized but it don't justice her actions. She abused her whole family and single "sorry" won't fix, presure that Isabella fell to be perfect and won't express herself. It won't fix Luisas treating more like a toll than an person. It won't fix Pepa's neurosis, and probably anxiety she have. It won't fix fact that Jullieta overworked herself to the point she didn't noticed what happens to her douther. It won't fix Dolores fears and felling she's alone with secrets she shouldn't even know! And she was even force to listen to them! Abuela treats her like her own radio that she can monitor the town. It won't fixt Bruno's lots of disorders that he dewelop just by pure anxiety. I swer he's anxiety has they're own anxiety and this is just the part of issues he have (i'm sorry i'm psychology nerd so xD And no i'm not specialist about this topic i just like reading). And in the end it won't fix Mirabells felling that no matter what she do she never be good enough for her family. I'm pretty shure Camillo and even Antonio have issues that wasn't shows in the movie or i just missed them. It's terrifying what one human being can do to another
Mirabel gets the whole house at the end of the movie, when the front door becomes her door. After that doorknob is put in by herself, the magic of Casita returns in the new house. I think she is meant to be the new Matron leader, to take the powerless Abuela's place and do a better job for the future family 😁
When I was medic in the navy, I would counsel returning veterans, sadly, the army was so overwhelmed by wounded veterans, they had to send much of their wounded to us in the navy. I can heal their physical injuries, but I could not heal their mental scars, it could be depressing hearing their tells of horror and loss, although I can counsel the veteran, it was the families who were the _major_ obstacle for the vet's recovery. They usually want to pick up where they left off, and treat their family member as if nothing ever happened, this is the wrong thing to do, trauma does not go away if you ignore it, it will chance shape, and morph you before you even realise it, I would tell the veteran's family, "Trauma is no excuse for bad demeanours", this is enabling. Recovery is recognising that nothing will ever be the same again, it's about coming to terms with the experience, the trauma wins if you let it change you into the worst, from my observation, Alma Madrigal is a very good analog for an trauma survivor. Encanto is also a good example of what happens when that survivor is allowed to run amok, the family learns to use the survivor's coping behaviours, the family is manipulated by the survivor to please them, and dishonesty takes the place of conversation, in short, Alma became the very thing that took the life of her husband, if you want to triumph over trauma, don't let it shape you into the very thing that harmed you in the first place, and don't ever let it shape those who never experienced that harm.
I think a better ending was for the house to be rebuilt and the parties magic to never come back, or (just thought about it) the entire community getting powers to help because they more directly involved with the house after rebuilding it.
As a Colombian I can 100% confirm that this dinamic exists, on grandmothers or maybe mothers or maybe aunties. My mother died young and it was this toxic to her very last day, my aunties seems to improved there dinamic between them when they realized that they would die one day without make peace and talk naturally with each other. But there wasn't enough and what it really made them improved to there relationship and the hurtful expectations imposed to their kids was the pandemic. Maybe realizing that her brothers and sons would die at any second made them humans that want to listen to others people perspectives, hopes and dreams without impose those they feel correct. By the way sorry for grammar mistakes but English it's not my first language. Also the generation of the 1000 days war (abuela generation 1899 to 1902), and the generation of the children of abuela and even the generation of the older grandchildren would firmly believe that going to psicological therapy means to by lockout permanently at an asylum
It would have taken a whole extra hour for Abuela to make up for the trauma. However, the sorry and working together at the end is reminiscent of how it works in real life: you can say sorry, but what matters is what you do after.
You are definitely right but as a Latino the way everything was “happy” at the end even after all the trauma is still realistic. Me and my family have our own trauma with my grandparents which I won't go into detail with but at the end of the day they're still our family. We don't have to forgive them completely but in most cases we still accept and respect them for the good they've done for us especially with such a big family. When Encanto came out I was at a point where I still love my grandparents but I also understand that in a lot of cases they have been absolutely horrible to my family but there is nothing we can really do at this point to make it better even if they do apologize and own up to it. Sorry for the trama dump just wanted to share my opinion.
Honestly it come to point where supposedly misunderstood sympathetic and three-dimensional antagonist and being Easily forgiven in the end has become overused and done wrong like Alma Madrigal for example One of the main reasons Alma Madrigal has quickly become controversial and divisive character because she reminds viewers so much of their own abusive or neglectful relatives with Control Freak tendencies. Abuela not only put unrealistic pressures on her family for decades, but she also cherished their gifts over their well-being and treats as The Unfavorites those who mars her vision of perfection, including her only son. This combined with the fact that the conflict Abuela caused in the movie hit close to home for viewers that grew up with similar strict borderline abusive parental figures and suffer from great pressure because of it, meant that even though Alma gets her family's sympathy and forgiveness in the end, she doesn't get almost anyone in the audience honestly if she was treated as villain it would a different story even though what she went through is both tragic and heartbreaking it doesn’t excuse or justify her horrible behavior and being terrible excuse for mother she should got nether get underserved sympathy point nor free pass just because her sad backstory
alma madrigal is not a villain was never intended to be a villain and was not villainous at ALL. y’all need to learn what an antagonist is because the whole point is alma was unaware she was harming them because nobody said anything. That’s why it’s such a big deal when mirabel confronts her because it’s the first time any of them have gone against her. She always had good intentions but was blind sighted she got in the way of mirabels goal but wasn’t set on destroying her like a villain. She was an antagonist through and through
@@lilac3266I didn't realize the alma hate train was still going strong for so long. I betcha people wouldn't ride that train if Alma was a whyt woman and sexed up.
@@lilac3266 funnily enough when I would read about this discourse, a lot of the responses defending the direction with Alma's arc were from self-admitted Latin or Columbian viewers who can relate to the dynamic shown, but are more sympathetic to every character as well.
Watched this movie with my daughter, I was crying a lot and she had no idea why because I didn't wanna go into how my parents treated me growing up. I definitely relate to Bruno, and Mirabell though.
I knew I wasn't crazy for not liking this movie! This guy hit every nail on the head. I would bring this stuff up and everyone around me says stuff like, "Whatever man, it's just a movie." While that is true, they forget that fictional characters behave in a way that we as an audience, or a reader, are supposed to understand and relate to.
My grandma is JUST like alma execept more toxic lol. Im definitely the mirabel of my family and i cant watch this damn movie without crying every time. It's such a rough family dynamic especially when no one thinks they nerd to heal. I told my grandma to watch this movie cause itsjust like our family and she didnt like it LOL.
You saying Mirabel might be expected to move out when she gets a family of her own triggered a thought for me. What if she... actually was intended to leave (before the trauma induced destruction changed things)?
Theory Time:
She is supposed to move out, get her own home, and it either becomes a second magical house or the magic migrates from the family home to her home.
But then the family trauma KILLS the old home before she leaves, and the new home that was intended as Mirabel's home, not a rebuilt/revitalized version of Alma's, takes root in the corpse of the old one. Alma killed her home by making it just a house/roof over their heads for so many of the residents. The new place is for Mirabel to feel like she has a home at. Alma might still be the matriarch of the family, but the new home is Mirabel's.
(I just had an idea of symbiotic spirits of magical houses reproducing by latching onto family members that move and establish themselves elsewhere.)
Fun fact, Alma means soul, spirit, or heart in Spanish. (I was curious about the name meaning and looked it up) and it made me realize they must have chosen the name because Alma is the matriarch of the family, the actual heart and soul, especially since she is the one who had that candle that made their family what it is. I don't know if this was intentional on the movie planning or not, but it's an interesting detail.
I was hoping for this to be like Mirabels villain orgin story.
I don’t think that the Pepa thing is that bad. I’m sure that weather events would already occur naturally without her influence, and I think that she can control the weather regardless of her mood. It’s just that experiencing extreme emotions makes her powers act in ways that are out of her control. She probably could make it rain when she’s happy if she had to.
Also, about Luisa, I don’t think that she was overworked by the town. She was perfectly fine until she started losing her powers. She was afraid of becoming like Mirabel, ostracised and cast out of the family. Afraid of what Abuela would do to her if she couldn’t do her job.
As for forgiving Abuela so quickly, that makes sense. Everyone got what they wanted so there’s no reason to hold a grudge. The restrictions on the family members were loosened and their workload was made significantly lighter. Mirabel finally got recognised as part of the family. Abuela realised that the miracle was that she and the townspeople didn’t get killed. Bruno got his family back. Isabella was freed from marital stress and so on.
I was surprised when everyone really loved this movie when it came out. Both my sister and I were super turned off by how just how overall mean and rude everyone was to Mirabel seemingly for no real reason, and then a lot of the plot didn’t really make sense and things got wrapped up real quick. I will admit tho on a second watch things got a little better and I’ll give them a little bit of leeway because trying to tackle something as large as generational family trauma is really hard to do and get right especially in a 120 minute movie. Credit where credit is due, they got it pretty well but man did I really not like this movie as much as nearly everyone else and was so surprised when it became as popular as it did. I have so many other issues with this movie besides Abuela and the family’s cruelty but I’ll stop here. Needless to say, wasn’t too impressed.
I remeber read some theory, it was about the abuela in te ending, she knows that mirabel is making the same path as bruno, clearly she can't let that happen because mirabell was a "likely" village, if they dispite mirabell it will be easy to don't go for her, then she try to manipulate mirabel telling her that her life was worst, her suffer was worst and a bigger problem, mirabel will feel dumb because of "nothing". Know that mirabel is in the family she knows that "casita" will bring back the powers, she used mirabel because she only matters for one thing, bring back the powers.
What I'd like to know is why does everyone keep misspelling Isabela's name in the comment section? It's ONE "L" because in Spanish, two makes the sound we English speakers associate with the letter "Y".
Most people probably aren't fluent in Spanish.
Omg yes a video about my favorite movieeeeee
TY so much ❤
Im happy to know people ageee with me when i say Fu*k abuela. She was Terrible and made me mad the whole movie. By the end i was even more mad people forgave her.
Y'know, for once, I'd love there to be a Disney movie with a truly bittersweet or otherwise downer ending, (not including prequels where we already know how things are going to turn out like with Monsters University, or set-ups for sequels where everything can be made better) where the resolution isn't a happily ever after but instead the characters being left to deal with the consequences of their actions and understanding that sometimes you can't repair something once it's broken.
Sure, it's not very "Disney" for an ending, but it's an important lesson children still need to learn - you need to take responsibility for the things you might say or do that hurt others, especially when those things are so severe that it completely breaks their trust in you; I know that that was an episode plot for Bojack Horseman, but I'm more focusing on a story for older children, maybe preteen age range, entertaining enough to keep them engaged and intelligent enough to get the message across without beating them over the head with it.
It's honestly the kind of ending I was expecting with Encanto from how disrespected and shamed Mirabel and Bruno were by the Abuela, with them just agreeing that, since they're the scapegoats of the Madrigal family, then they're better off living apart from the family even after everything is supposedly set right in the end - but of course, we need to have a happily ever after, even if it just brushes all of the problems caused to the entire family under the rug in order for everyone to get along again.
Unrelated but I always thought it was funny that everybody is like “YOUR FATE IS SEALED WHEN YOUR PROPHECY IS READ!!!”
Meanwhile Isabela: “Idk bout yall bums and dusties but he told me not only am I gonna *remain* a bad bytch but ✨ALL✨ my dreams are gonna come true. Sucks to suck.”
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It might be worse than you think. I've seen almost a half-dozen videos on UA-cam of people claiming Dolores is the "real villain" because she wasn't willing to talk about what was clearly taboo subjects, got Isabella out of a marriage proposal she didn't want to accept, and her image on the new entry to the Casita had a rather subtle smile.
Honestly the movie should have been about Mirabel forging her own path in life away from her family and the house. The movie does nothing to show that most of them aren't horrible people especially with how they treated Bruno.
For Pepa, I'd like to imagine she has SOME control over the weather she manifests. And by that I mean, even if she is in a good mood, she could still make a rain cloud if needed. Much like how Isabella can create any flowers or plants she wants, but that, like Pepa, her emotions can heavily influence them if not under control. Which is why we see Pepa as being so anxious - because even if she CAN control them, if her emotions are extremely negative, it'll be much harder to prevent herself from generating bad weather.
Also, I don't think she can control the weather in and of itself. It's clear it's still sunny while she has rain clouds. Rather she can create localized weather patterns wherever she is where the size is determined by the intensity of her emotions.
Whoa mah GAWD!!! You hit the nail on the head with how incredibly terrible this movie is for normalizing generational trauma.
Another detail that nobody talks about is the stereotyping of different Latino phenotypes. For a family that is supposedly related by blood, hardly any of them look alike.
Getting the family into therapy and doing the slow work of unpacking and truly healing from this would make for an excellent sequel. Hell, maybe even a tv series!
Actually Mirabel gets a door!!!
I learned that from a youtuber call Isaac Carlson.
I watch his channel too I’m so glad she did
You can tell me WHATEVER you want about Alma, BUT I will hate her with a FIERY INFERNO, yes she has trauma, yes she had lost the love of her life, had to stay strong for her babies, but she STILL HURT her family with her mental abuse that she put EVERYONE through, and NOBODY stood up for themselves, Mirabel, Bruno, or anyone, if I were Mirabel, I would NOT have forgiven her OR Isabella, my real problem with Isabella, is that she treated Mirabel like DIRT for NO reason at all!! She also NEVER COMMUNICATED her feelings to her mom, dad, ANYONE she just kept it all IN instead of letting it OUT, I don’t think Isabella is essentially BAD I just don’t like her in MY opinion, but those are my two cents
This whole movie made me uncomfortable. I think every “black sheep” had their trauma reopened by this movie
You know, on the one hand I do appreciate how movies like this that cover generational trauma are like, "Hey, things can be fixed and they can be better"
But on the other, I think it would be nice to see more movies where the protagonist actually cuts off their family because they're toxic.
Like yeah, you should try to mend things and whatnot. But sometimes it's just better to cut your losses because let's be real, irl Alma would not see the error of her ways, she'd just gaslight the rest of the family to be even shittier to Mirabel. And in those cases, it's better for you to not have someone like that in your life.
Also a lot of people even nowdays, struggle with feeling guilty about cutting harmful people out of their life because "Oh but they're family" or "But I've known them for so long"
Hell, I've known quite a few people who have family or friends in their life that are blantently harmful, but they still keep them in their life for those such reasons.
Having more media out there showing that it's okay to do so would help a lot of people.
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Could you please discuss the underated classic "Gnomeo and Juliet"?
I’ve always considered the movie less about the characters themselves and more about starting conversations. This isn’t a kid’s movie, it’s a FAMILY movie. The large family where everyone’s trauma is different gives people characters to point to and say “I feel like this.” which can be helpful for processing emotions and explaining to people what is going on. I see the happy ending less about everyone forgiving Abuela and more about communicating “dealing with these issues and being open with each other isn’t going to destroy everything, it might make things better.” Now the film isn’t super nuanced and doesn’t go over everyone’s trauma in detail or how some people probably will just cut themselves off and just want to leave the family rather than try to fix it. But I’ve seen the movie more about starting the conversation and getting that ball rolling for real families than actually being about the Madrigals own family resolution.
I think this could have work better as a serie, not a whole movie
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03:56 I know it's a kid's movie, but I can't help to think what the whole town knows when Pepa and her husband bangs... no privacy, I swear.
I never thought that the Madrigal Family was worse!
I agree that there should be more of a proses, but I’m hoping this is the start of there healing.
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Smarty you are blowing things out of proportion. But you are also right. As someone who was the black sheep of her family there are sometimes things you can't and should not forgive. Healing takes a long time and not just a day so I think it's really cathartic that you laid it out like this. As always love you Videos❤
When i saw madrigal i thought it was a 39 clues vid
I never seen this movie and I might after I return home and I found this entertaining, but there is one thing I have a problem with!
‘When you have kids, the buck stop with you’
I really don’t like that mindset cause to me that is basically saying, whatever problem you had in the past, the moment you are in charge of taking care of children. Those either no longer apply or their not important. Especially if we are talking about thing like abuse or mental illness!
I understand we want a perfect world where ever parent is perfect and put their child first, but in most case, neglect, abuse, mental illness are things that stay with you for life, so we shouldn’t expect broken people to be perfect parent, nor do I think it’s fair to expect people who might be broken to be this picture perfect parent!
doesn't excuse people being crappy parents mate someone being abusive and someone being not perfect are two very different things.
I think the point of saying that was more like "Don't let your mother abuse your child the way she abused you"
To me isn’t 21 is too young to get married I would at least waited 5 more years
it’s set in the 1950s arranged marriages were normal at that time
@@lilac3266 that is true and woman were expected to get married earlier
I think you're generally right in the way you read into the family dynamics, but you're missing some important context/nuance. The whole movie is a metaphor, so there's a point at which that metaphor breaks down. The creators used magical realism to tell the story of common Latino experiences, so there's a point where the logical consequences of the magic give way to real lived experiences. And while the story is grounded specifically in Colombian cultural norms, the Madrigals are written as archetypes that people from many cultures can recognize (like me with my Polish immigrant family in the US). So, while there isn't actually a Tia Pepa out there being placated to keep the weather sunny, she codes for the many anxious, possibly-neurodivergent women who are bullied about their emotions rather than helped with them. Julieta is the quintessential responsible and nurturing eldest sibling balancing a golden child role with caring for her siblings; Bruno is both the baby of the family and the scapegoat, and et cetera.
What that means is that, yes, the treatment of the harm Abuela caused is not stellar, but in some ways that's its own part of the whole story. Disney clearly wrapped things up with a bow just to get the minute count they wanted on the film. That's their formula. On top of that, though, there aren't really good solutions that can be clearly demonstrated in a Disney flick. Modern psychology, which is historically rooted in white/European/industrialized cultural norms, tends to push individualism in ways that don't make sense in family-centered cultures. For example, the idea of going no-contact with toxic family members doesn't play well in families that are enmeshed on social, economic, and emotional terms. And that enmeshment is rooted in the realities of surviving violence, forced emigration, economic upheaval, and language/formal education barriers alongside cultural attitudes and religious doctrine. We're still building mental health supports that work across complex family systems.
So, in rural Colombia circa 1875, Alma is likely to have been raised with little formal education, deep religious conviction, and an emphasis on solving practical here-and-now problems in the real world. While she's capable of seeing that the family got to a point of being taken advantage of, I don't agree with you that any good parent would forecast it well in advance. In all likelihood, she was absolutely out of her mind every single day with the stress and work of raising three children as a single mother in a male-dominated society while establishing a new village from scratch in the depths of the Colombian rain forest. Oh yeah, and her house and children are magic, too. She would be relying on cultural ways of understanding the world that people in industrialized nations in 2023 would consider to be superstitious or illogical. As a formally educated white American, I still find myself with old worldviews that came to me from my Polish family that affect my life choices, sometimes for good and sometimes for ill. It's complicated. None of that changes the impact of Abuela's choices, and somewhere in fifty damn years, one could hope that she figured out it was safe to chill, but Abuela is a real person I have seen many times across multiple cultures. She's a woman the creators of Encanto knew and loved. My own grandmother, a white woman in the US Rust Belt in the early 20th century, only went to school through eighth grade. This didn't make her a stupid woman by any means, but it created a huge gap in how we each approached the world and solved problems by the time I was in my late teens.
The power and appeal of Encanto is that it does a fairly amazing job of capturing some essence of this complexity and demonstrating at least the start of a way through it. Name it to tame it. And while the effects of Abuela's actions are bad and definitely handwaved at the end, they're very real things that many, many people, Latino and non-, experienced growing up and don't know how to resolve now. Many of us saw elements of our own families in the Madrigals in ways that are hard to articulate but so, so cathartic to see on the big screen. So, the movie is an important installment in conversations about mental health. Where Inside Out gave us new images and language for conflict and grief and growth, Encanto talks about those dynamics in a complex family system. It's not perfect, but it's important and a good step.
I also think it's worth distinguishing between people who are traumatized and doing the best they can and people whose mental health is so distorted that they will not allow themselves to be held accountable for their actions. My mother was somewhere between Abuela and Julieta, and she was the most reliable elder that I had, as everyone else around me was either completely emotionally unavailable or outright abusive. There's real love in the Madrigal home, and that shouldn't be ignored. Someone who loves you and makes mistakes and causes harm and is capable of and willing to do better tomorrow is a very, very, very different person from someone who sees you only as a resource to be exploited, either emotionally or financially, and doesn't see anything wrong with that. We need to name the difference and have some grace for Abuela because we've all been her to some degree, and because cutting people out of your life is only a solution in limited ways and limited circumstances. You say that the Madrigals had it pretty bad, but what Encanto captured was something many, many, many of us carry. I don't know if it's *normal*, but it ain't an outlier. I believe we need to discuss Abuela and the Madrigals in that light because that was the perspective the creators had and wanted to convey.
Dunno why this particular video struck me so that I sat down and wrote all that, but it's been bubbling for a while. Encanto really got under my skin, and while I'm not at all unclear on its flaws, it's also such a big, messy step in the right direction. Kind of like healing a family.
I think there thinking of making a series
Totally on the nose!
Yeah they honestly had stench of maliciousness, I never said We don't talk about Bruno so yeah that shows how I was never thinking him as bad or bought it.
Yes, yes yes yes to everything! This guy gets it.
I'll be honest my man, I don't think this was really worth a video after watching it. Sure, you point out that logically speaking the family is more dysfunctional than most give credit for... but so what? The movie acknowledges this to the extent a family-friendly movie can, and, really, none of the members are really that different than in real life.
I grew up in a village in India, and this sort of 'work hard for the community' pressure was everywhere and some parents I saw were just as bad- of not worse- than the movie. Heck, 'tradition' has historically led parents to do much worse in the name of 'what is best' for their kids (e.g. foot-binding). Parents who have been raised in that community with those 'values' will of course rarely break with tradition for their child, because they think those traditions are GOOD for their child. Mirabelle's parents do understand intellectually she is distraught, but they are not only indoctrinated but also constantly busy doing their community service. More to the point, MIrabelle gets something no-one else has; freedom from expectation, and a big part of why she is looked down on is jealous resentment on the part of her super-relatives.
As for Abuela... honestly, what would you have them do, exile her? As is, everyone knows SHE is the reason casita fell, and she has been forced to suddenly step down in favour of Mirabelle. I don't doubt that she will never enjoy the same trust she once did, but the movie deliberately shifts that to after the ending to preserve the message of 'everyone is useful and must be shown empathy' rather than 'down with the troublemakers'. The whole 'be better than the bully' thing.
You know what I would have made a video on? The townspeople. What do THEY do all day as the Madrigal family slaves away for their utopia? Do they play Game of Thrones over who gets to be the next one to marry into the family? Do they not care about their own safety since they can always be healed? Has anyone ever seen the horror of the Madrigals but kept silent to preserve the status quo?
Now that's a topic I think you could do great- any chance to see it later on?
(still love the channel, keep up the good work!)
You said, everything I was thinking about this family. Maybe a bit more bashing though.
Ahhh Classic family trauma. P.S: In Mexican families *mine included* family trauma is so natural it is the normal and that trying to fix it is bad
You are absolutely correct. And if anyone disagrees with this, they are foolish, it was all unacceptable. This is a problem with most Disney movies, and furthermore, most fictional stories. The creators of those stories don't have the intelligence especially ethically to make perfect stories for me. They have things missing or undermined, they glorify things they shouldn't, ¡they teach children and adults alike the wrong ways to think!
most of the stuff has been debunked or is just solved in the actual movie. The movie never sugarcoats that the family is toxic that is quite literally the entire plot and some of u seem to have very bad comprehension if u think the river scene near the end is “glorifying” anything
@@lilac3266 incredible for them to call anyone who disagrees foolish, over a children's movie, what a joke
@@lavendermarshmallowplant3229 literally this movie doesn’t glorify anything do people even know what the term means?
I disagree because I can. You have your own opinions and I have Mines. I don't care what you think or say about this movie because it doesn't matter to me.
I did not know that many people hated this movie for not being realistic enough but you want to know what I wasn't surprised by it was the fact but there were few comments saying "WILL if you like this movie you're a shit person
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The thing about Abuela is that everything she does is a realistic trauma response to what happened to her. It makes sense that she would spiral into this cycle of toxic perfectionism and obsess over protecting and maintaining the miracle that gave her a fresh start, and the idea of using those gifts to help the community is a nice idea that got taken too far because of trauma. That doesn’t mean that everything Abuela did is justifiable, the whole Bruno situation never should have happened and the way she treats Maribel is not ok but her actions make sense because of her past. I like the movie’s message of empathy and forgiveness to heal trauma. Abuela’s forgiveness was earned because she realized the damage she caused and wanted to make things right. That usually doesn’t happen when you shame people and try to help them accountable. The most common response that you’ll get is defensiveness. But oftentimes a little empathy and listening to understand can make people more open to listening and taking accountability. I don’t think the family is completely healed, there are way too many deep seeded issues that need to be addressed, which is why the sequel should focus on the continued growth and healing of the family, possibly with Maribel taking over as head of the family and trying to repair some of the issues that the family is still dealing with
I just hope that in the movie of Shrek 5, once Disney buys DreamWorks, all the Official Disney Princes and Princesses from their respective movies appear, especially all the characters from the movie of Rise of the Guardians, from the movies of Frozen, from the movies of How to Train Your Dragon, from the movie of Brave, from the movie of Tangled, from the movie of Moana, from the movie of Raya and the Last Dragon, from the movie of Encanto and the most important character in the movie of The Little Mermaid 2: Return to the Sea, Melody, the daughter of Prince Eric and Princess Ariel, and besides, they will be the new main characters of the movie of Shrek 5 so that they help Shrek, Princess Fiona, Donkey, Dragon, Puss in Boots, Kitty Softpaws, Perrito, Goldilocks, the Three Bears, Prince Lancelot, Princess Tiffany, King Artie, Princess Guinevere, the children of Shrek and Princess Fiona: Fergus, Farkle and Felicia, the children of Donkey and Dragon: Bananas, Parfait, Peanut, Eclair, Coco and Debbie and the others to defeat Rumpelstiltskin, Death, all the Official Villains of Disney and all the Official Villains of DreamWorks, as The Evil Queen, Lady Tremaine, Drizella Tremaine, Maleficent, Marina del Rey, Ursula, Gaston LeGume, Maestro Forte, Jafar, Sa'luk, Governor John Ratcliffe, Shan Yu, Dr. Facilier, Mother Gothel, Zhan Tiri, Te Kā, Tamatoa, the Red Death, Drago Bludvist, Grimmel the Grisly, Mor'du, Prince Hans, Pitch Black, the Druun, the Soldiers, Dr. Zara, Chelsea Van Der Zee, King Magnifico and Morgana, and to prevent Rumpelstiltskin, Death and the other Official Villains of Disney and DreamWorks from ruling and destroying the kingdom of Princess Fiona and King Artie called Far Far Away, Shrek along with his wife named Princess Fiona will need help from their new friends which are the Official Disney Princes and Princesses, as Prince Florian, Princess Snow White, Prince Charming, Princess Cinderella, Prince Philip, Princess Aurora, Prince Eric, Princess Ariel, Prince Adam, Princess Belle, Prince Aladdín, Princess Jasmine, Prince John Smith, Princess Pocahontas, Prince Li Shang, Princess Fa Mulan, Prince Naveen, Princess Tiana, Prince Flynn Rider, Princess Rapunzel, Maui, Queen Moana Waialiki, Hiccup Haddock, Princess Merida, Kristoff Bjorgman, Queen Anna, Jack Frost, Princess Elsa, Princess Raya, Princess Mirabel Madrigal, Princess Asha, Anastasia Tremaine, Namaari, Yi, Ruby Gillman and Melody, although in reality, Melody is the first and only that she is not a true Official Disney Princess along with Namaari and Anastasia Tremaine, because Anastasia Tremaine is not born of royalty, while, Namaari is an Unofficial Disney Princess and Melody made her debut in the movie of The Little Mermaid 2: Return to the Sea and it is also because she is the first and only daughter of an Official Disney Princess, but Shrek, Princess Fiona, Donkey, Dragon, Puss in Boots, Kitty Softpaws, Perrito, Goldilocks, the Three Bears, Prince Lancelot, Princess Tiffany, King Artie, Princess Guinevere, the children of Shrek and Princess Fiona: Fergus, Farkle, and Felicia, the children of Donkey and Dragon: Bananas, Parfait, Peanut, Eclair, Coco and Debbie and the others also need Anastasia Tremaine, Namaari and Melody's help to protect and save their kingdom called Far Far Away away from Rumpelstiltskin, Death and the other Official Villains of Disney and DreamWorks, because Anastasia Tremaine and Namaari are now good people and Melody is the daughter of Prince Eric and Princess Ariel, but in the movie of Shrek 5, I also want to see the death of Queen Lillian, because since her husband named King Harold passed away in the movie of Shrek 3, she has felt heartbroken and that caused his own death in his kingdom called Far Far Away, and all the inhabitants of Princess Fiona and King Artie's kingdom called Far Far Away are saddened by the death of Queen Lillian, because now she is with her husband named King Harold in heaven, and now they have lost their queen, that means now the kingdom of Far Far Away needs a new queen and King Artie said that his love interest, girlfriend, fiancée and former classmate from Worcestershire school called Princess Guinevere would be the one to be the new Queen of Far Far Away, so King Artie decided to return to his old school called Worcestershire along with Shrek, with his older cousin Princess Fiona, with Donkey, with Dragon, with Puss in Boots, with Kitty Softpaws, with Perrito, with Goldilocks, with the Three Bears, with the children of Shrek and Princess Fiona: Fergus, Farkle and Felicia, with the children of Donkey and Dragon: Bananas, Parfait, Peanut, Eclair, Coco and Debbie and with the others to meet again with their friends from their school who are actually Prince Lancelot, Princess Tiffany and their love interest, girlfriend and fiancée Princess Guinevere to take them back to their kingdom called Far Far Away, and in the movie of Shrek 5, I also want to see the romance of all the Official Disney Princes and Princesses from their respective movies, especially the romance of Maui and Queen Moana Waialiki, the romance of Hiccup Haddock and Princess Mérida, the romance of Jack Frost and Princess Elsa, the romance of Prince Lancelot and Princess Tiffany and the romance of King Artie and Princess Guinevere, because I think in the movie of Shrek 5, Maui will be Queen Moana Waialiki's love interest, boyfriend and fiancé, while Hiccup Haddock will be Princess Mérida's love interest and boyfriend, Princess Tiffany will be Prince Lancelot's love interest, girlfriend and fiancée and Princess Guinevere will be King Artie's love interest, girlfriend and fiancée, because Queen Moana Waialiki is going to fall in love with Maui, Princess Mérida is going to fall in love Hiccup Haddock, Princess Tiffany is going to fall in love with Prince Lancelot and Princess Guinevere is going to fall in love with King Artie, but they don't know how to tell them their feelings towards them and neither how to win their hearts, because every time Queen Moana Waialiki gets too close to Maui when it comes to true love, she gets very nervous with him, while which in the case of Princess Mérida is also the same, because whenever Princess Mérida gets too close to Hiccup Haddock when it comes to true love, she also gets very nervous with him, in the case of Princess Tiffany it is also the same, because whenever Princess Tiffany gets too close to Prince Lancelot when it comes to true love, she also gets very nervous around him, and in the case of Princess Guinevere too, because every time Princess Guinevere gets too close to King Artie when it comes to true love, she also gets very nervous around him, but luckily for them, Princess Fiona will help Queen Moana Waialiki to win the heart of Maui, also Princess Mérida to win the heart of Hiccup Haddock, also Princess Tiffany to win the heart of Prince Lancelot and also Princess Guinevere to win the heart of King Artie, and I also want that in the movie of Shrek 5, Jack Frost will be Princess Elsa's love interest and boyfriend, because Jack Frost leaves fall in love with Princess Elsa, but he doesn't know how to tell her his feelings and how to win her heart, because every time Jack Frost gets too close to Princess Elsa when it comes to true love, he gets very nervous with her, but fortunately for him, Shrek will help Jack Frost to win the heart of Princess Elsa, except Princess Raya, Princess Mirabel Madrigal, Princess Asha, Goldilocks, Namaari, Yi, Ruby Gillman and Anastasia Tremaine, because now they will be the only Official Disney Princesses who do not need to have love interests and who can remain single forever, and I also say the same for Melody, the daughter of Prince Eric and Princess Ariel, because like her adoptive aunts Princess Raya, Princess Mirabel Madrigal, Princess Asha, Goldilocks, Namaari, Yi, Ruby Gillman and Anastasia Tremaine, she doesn't need a love interest either, but in the movie of Shrek 5, I also want to see the rivalry between King Artie and Queen Anna because they both want to compete in a challenge to see who is the best monarch a of a kingdom, that is, the best ruler of a kingdom, because both want to do what is best for their own kingdom, because King Artie wants to do what is best for his kingdom called Far Far Away because now he is the new King of Far Far Away and Queen Anna wants to do the best for their kingdom called Arendelle because now she is the new Queen of Arendelle, but at the end of the movie of Shrek 5, King Artie and Queen Anna become best friends in the world, because at the end of the movie of Shrek 5, they both learned from their mistakes that they have made since their challenge to compete to see who is the best monarch of a kingdom, that is, the best ruler of a kingdom, and that at the end of the movie of Shrek 5, King Artie and Princess Guinevere see their first true love kiss and that they become a romantic couple, just like Prince Lancelot and Princess Tiffany, and also that at the end of the movie of Shrek 5, Maui, Hiccup Haddock, Kristoff Bjorgman, Jack Frost, Prince Lancelot and King Artie become the new official members of the Official Disney Princes, while Queen Anna, Princess Elsa, Princess Mirabel Madrigal, Princess Asha, Goldilocks, Namaari, Yi, Ruby Gillman, Anastasia Tremaine, Princess Tiffany and Princess Guinevere become the new official members of the Official Disney Princesses and that one day, Princess Tiffany will be the wife of Prince Lancelot and that they have a son and a daughter, that is, a family in the future, and that also Princess Guinevere is the wife of King Artie, that they also have a son and a daughter, that is, a family and that she becomes the new Queen of Far Far Away in the future.
Alma actually apologized, tho. It’s Isabela who gets easy forgiveness. For two thirds of the movie she bullies Mirabel, always waiting until everyone’s back is turned and spitting vitriol, then pretending to be so nice the minute anyone was watching.
Then all of a sudden it’s all okay because she was “stressed” and she sang a song and changed her look? She’s honestly the worst character in the whole movie. I hated her.
I disagree with you with everything on here and why? Because I can and I don't have a reason to. This is just my opinion and I don't care if anyone agrees with me or not.