Advaita apologist vs Reality
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Don't know how Vimoh controls his anger and laughter.😂😂😂😂😂
😂😂😂😂😂😂
Mohit is the Director of Indian Inception 😂😂😂😂
"Hum lucid dream ki baat nahin kar rahe" Nice way to dogde difficult questions lol
lol
people want to live in anything but reality!!!
Psssh who wouldn’t give the state of the world.
Vimoh : मेने लोगो को मरते देखा है
चर्सी :- वो आपकी ड्रीम हैं
Mental Fart 😭🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
😂😂😂😂😂
He's saying we are in GTA...sab se asan bhasa mein I guess
Exactly 💯😂
he is sayinng reality is fake we are living in a matrix
@@upamanyu.baishyalet me clarify sir
He has never experienced anything like falseness of world
His emotions are so much bound to Ramana Maharshi that all things spoken by him makes sense
A guru teacher cannot to explain the truth you've to find it
He can only show tha falsness of the self (ego)
Like you've your brain, your brain projects everything external with the image which it created previously on seeing that object!!
Now Everyone has their own image and experiences now this makes world relative !!!
Means you experience different world other person has a different world when you're communicating you talk from your perspective and image projected by your brain !!
You've limited range of hearing , seeing , tasting etc....
That makes that world is real
But YOUR World is false for sure
It's created by you and depends on you and your emotions
And as we all are humans we all have our own world our own imagination of World
And world could be something totally different from our imagination!!
The point that krihnamurti arises you start moving closer to truth when you start viewing things without letting brain to create a predefined image of it !!
Let you brain forget everything's predefined image
Let everyone moment be new for you !!
Then you'll come to know what the wakening up is all about
And the part where you say in dreams laws of physics don't work
And in real life it works
The point is this is also the part of the fakeness where you have a subtle perception of World more strong becoz of the laws of physics
The underlying reality will not be bound to such things it it's reality!!
Never be sure of the reality until you start realising it !! No worries how much a great personality says this to you
See it your self !!!
Isn't that part of a movie ohhhh wait@@upamanyu.baishya
Guys don't make fun of Mohit. He just want more clearity on thoughts that's why he speaks to Vimoh. Don't make fun of him
He should donate his all belongings to some charitable trust afterall everything is Maya. Only then he will gain the ultimate self realisation 😂
Vimoh should've said it😂@@Naturalismforever
Bro is speaking in dreams
😂😂
More like bro's high.
I love dreams
This guy must be having luxurious lifestyle and living in imaginary bubbles. 😂
Subha Subha Dimag ka Dahi ho gya😢😢😢
Same here 😂
As an admirer of Vimoh’s work, I seriously think to term someone as an ‘Advaita apologist’ is wrong. He didn’t say anything wrong, and at times he might have lacked words to convey what he actually thought. Ramana Maharshi’s ideas are brilliant and fascinating, even if not absolute. I really think that the purpose shouldn’t be to defeat someone in a debate or prove them wrong, but to allow them to develop their point of view. Scholars as well as students are conducting researches on Ramana Maharshi’s point of view, and their reasons go beyond blind faith. Recently, Kierkegaard and Spinoza scholar Clare Carlisle used his teachings to talk about consciousness and oneness in one of her Gifford Lectures at St Andrews
Ye Acharya Prashant ne Advaita Vedanta ki fairytale sab Namoono ko suna di hai😂Pata kisi ko bhi nhi ki ye hoti kya hai 😢
Lekin aisa kuch to aacharya Prashant batate nhi tumne kaise assume kiya bhai?
@@AkshayMishra700 sorry bhai galat assume kar liya
@@SchoolOfEconomicsXD very rare to see someone accepting their fault
@@AkshayMishra700 hnnn...very rare these days
@@SchoolOfEconomicsXD sab personal le lete hain aur behas krte hain
Yar he reminds me of my papa. Subhe subhe trigger ho gya main 😂
Lol kahani har ghar ki kahani ghar ghar ki 😂
@@Naturalismforever 😆😆😆
Iss adami ne inception ko bohot seriously le liya hai 😂
Bhai, jo ultimate reality ko jaan Jayenge, uske liye 1 million mitti hai
I have realised there is no point in arguing with opposite views in UA-cam videos. Nobody wins! It only gives rise to animosity. Enter the appropriate room for your discourse.
I have experienced it multiple times and yes you are right 👍🏻
It took you too long lol debates are not to change someone's mind but they can change the mind of the audience
I know right especially when you consider all yt videos are in a dream so it doesn't matter
😂
Unemployment is at its peak... 😅😅
He is the definition of a Solipsist
He talks a lot about personal discovery and meditation and personal experience. SO in my experience I have found that even within a dream the dream feels so absurd. So yeah while dreaming I have felt that it is not real and it's a dream. But it never happened with waking state. So yeah our physical reality is pretty real to me
the guy actually seemed nice
A hypothetical case.
Imagine a human being - who has never come in contact with another human being since birth.
How would his / her consciousness be shaped?
Mohit has always two answars for the same Quest. 1) Yes sir, I agree and within few seconds, 2) No sir, I do not agree.
Whatever Mohit was claiming extraordinary like consciousness, He didn't have any extraordinary Evidence. the Question only arise to Mohit that HOW DO YOU KNOW THIS AND WHAT IS THE COMPELLING EVIDENCES? and whoever did Meditation for their whole life, are those people have evidences for this consciousness in dreams.
Mohit was just playing word games like transactional reality and Ultimate Reality.
Stop calling extraordinary evidence he doesn't have just normal evidence
How the hell is this caller live in his daily life... if he thinking about life is mere dream 😕
Iska brain wash ho Gaya hain...
Am I the only one who experiences lucid dreams very occasionally?
No, take me in your squad.
Vimoh bhai apne meditation ka comparison ramana maharishi ke meditation se kar raha hai, woh constant meditation karta tha kai dino tak, 😂😂😂
There are two perspectives on reality.
The first is the outward view of objects, where you see yourself as a creature striving to survive in a society on a floating rock.
The second is the inward view of subject, where you recognize yourself as the awareness, observing thoughts, feelings and experiences manifesting within you.
Problem arises when people try to mix or compare two view points.
They call it dreams because it is the so called reality is the projection of an observer . Read schrödinger's mind matter and physics .
Din bhar dream main rehta hain kya? Multiplicity in the real world?
aise to main bhi boldu hypothetically, The life we're living currently is the whole dream aur death ke baad, jb aankhen kholte hain conciousness in a baby's body. Now, corelate in to concept of Soul's or Consciouness transferring.
Dreams ham decide nahi karte.
Something weird in the video editing, it's like like a horror movie filter...
Where?
Very stressful conversation for you and also me as a viewer..
How can people quantify the qualitative things😅😅😅...99 % my arse
Aise faaltu logon par time waste mat Karo. .
Ye discussion wrong way mein ja rahi hai.
Dream ka matlab : aap behoshi mein ji rahe ho yani aap ke man mein life ko lekar clarity nahi hai.
Awareness ka matlab : aap ko clarity hai. Yah hota hai.
Ye kya definition hai? Bullshit. Dream matlab (roughly) fake "experiences" created by the mind while you are in a unconscious state(sleeping) They may or may not indicate anything about your personal life. Jo aap bata rahe ho clarity ke baare me wo to researchers kehte hai ki Dreams *indicate* things about life. But dreams are pretty mysterious, no one knows the exact reason we dream.
Bhaiya i wanted to ask you a question but i don't know where to ask so i am writing is here hope you will see this... So the thing is whenever i try to debate with bhakts they always resort to whataboutism and i find it very hard to counter that and the whole conversation becomes meaningless. For example yesterday i was talking to a bhakt friend who also happened to be an incel, so i said that women face discrimination at work in india and he replied what about men trying to paint me a hypocrite. How do we counter that??
Progress is impossible without change and those who don't want to change their mind cannot change anything
:- George Bernard Shaw
Vimoh! Dream me jab me bike chalata hu brake lagate bakt brake nahi lagta hai. But reality me brake lagta hai.
Currently ... He is talking in dream 😂
Mujhe kabhi bhi dreams nahi aate does this means im not real😮😮
Lol yeah welcome to the world of Matrix 😅
Tum kaafi gehri neend sote ho shayad
let me clarify sir
He has never experienced anything like falseness of world
His emotions are so much bound to Ramana Maharshi that all things spoken by him makes sense
A guru teacher cannot to explain the truth you've to find it
He can only show tha falsness of the self (ego)
Like you've your brain, your brain projects everything external with the image which it created previously on seeing that object!!
Now Everyone has their own image and experiences now this makes world relative !!!
Means you experience different world other person has a different world when you're communicating you talk from your perspective and image projected by your brain !!
You've limited range of hearing , seeing , tasting etc....
That makes that world is real
But YOUR World is false for sure
It's created by you and depends on you and your emotions
And as we all are humans we all have our own world our own imagination of World
And world could be something totally different from our imagination!!
The point that krihnamurti arises you start moving closer to truth when you start viewing things without letting brain to create a predefined image of it !!
Let you brain forget everything's predefined image
Let everyone moment be new for you !!
Then you'll come to know what the wakening up is all about
And the part where you say in dreams laws of physics don't work
And in real life it works
The point is this is also the part of the fakeness where you have a subtle perception of World more strong becoz of the laws of physics
The underlying reality will not be bound to such things it it's reality!!
Never be sure of the reality until you start realising it !! No worries how much a great personality says this to you
See it your self !!!
Probably aate hai but yaad nahi rehte
Chirstopher Nolan took this idea for inception
aise toh me "god" boldu khud ko iss logic he hisaab se.
gyan ho jhat bhar per opinion du raat bhar😂
Can I join live stream? I want to talk on gender spectrum.
mohit -> consciousness ko hm kabhi chod nhi skte h , ye everyday m hm experience karte h
me:- haa bhai wo issliye kyuki human brain aisa h, jaise brid udd skte h machli paani m zinda rehti h, har animal k body ne kuch special ability develop ki h to survive through evolution
Vimoh talked about 'objective reality' which shows consistency and governed by the physical laws. Mohit whereas supported his ideas on 'subjective reality' and argued that it could be a real possibility. Reality as we perceive and live in could be the outermost layer of this 'layered dream states'. What if the true awakening is the realization of this one 'self' or the 'consciousness'. It's may sound highly philosophical but indeed a fascinating idea.
Vimoh, hats off to your patience to talk to headbangers.
Both the inferences you draw from observing the external world and the stories you create inside your head help to shape your actions...
So, fictional stories are kind of important too.. but they can not be taking precednce over observed reality.. that's it.. you can create stories that depict life lessons and supernatural elements in your head...
There is a straightforward way to respond to the caller’s assertion. The caller is essentially arguing that a dream is a manifestation of a single consciousness, which is your consciousness. In the dream, there appear to be many conscious beings walking about, but these dream characters are not truly conscious; they are simply figments of your imagination. You only recognize this truth upon waking from the dream. By analogy, the caller suggests that our reality might be functioning similarly: we and everyone in it could just be the dream characters of a higher consciousness.
However, this reasoning is flawed. If our reality were merely a dream of a higher consciousness, then only the higher consciousness could realize this fact upon awakening. The characters in a dream, being non-conscious figments of imagination, cannot have any awareness of a higher reality. Thus, if someone claims to have realized that our reality is just a dream, they are essentially asserting that they are the higher consciousness doing the dreaming, which is impossible to realize while within the dream. Or more absurdly, they might be claiming to have understood their own fictional nature as a dream character.
To reiterate, if this reality is just a dream, only the higher consciousness doing the dreaming can comprehend this fact upon waking up. Us NPCs (Non-Player Characters) can stop worrying about our fictional existence.
There is only one consciousness. No higher or lower. The 'you' in dream and upon waking up is the same you. It's the ego that is dreaming and, destruction of the ego is self realisation.
To whom does the illusion happen? Is it to the consciousness or to the ego. It's to the ego. So ego has to realise the truth. Although ultimately consciousness and ego are same like the rope is mistaken for a snake.
And lastly, no one is forcing the ego to wake up. It just might be that one day the suffering is to much for the ego and it might try to make an effort to wake up.
@@mohitdhiman79 I don't understand this distinction that you're making between consciousness and ego. It seems you're breaking down your subjectivity into parts and treating them as separate independent entities where one part is dreaming, while the other parts are not. That is not how dreams work. When we dream, all of our subjectivity is experiencing the dream. Not just parts of it.
Also, let's say the part of "You" that you're calling "ego" is doing the dreaming, as you say. So if you were to "destroy" your ego, the dream/illusion "You" are experiencing will also disappear with the ego. And if the illusion disappears, you are bound to wake up. You cannot continue to dream on while the thing you say was doing the dreaming has been destroyed. You cannot be in the dream and be aware that it is a dream. You cannot continue to delude yourself while being aware it's a delusion. I hope I've made myself clear.
@stevesmith4901 I am not breaking my subjectivity. Would you say that rope and snake are two parts of the same thing. No. They are ultimately the same. Snake is the wrong perception of our seeing, and ego is the wrong perception of our being.
And I am saying exactly the same thing as you said in the 2nd para.
Once the illusion of the sanke is destroyed, there is only rope. simmilary, Once the ego(dreamer) is destroyed, there is no dream, and only the pure awareness remains.
I think people should take the fragments of everything to conclude their own reality. I said "I think"🤷
14:35 what a point man. Jazbat badal diye.
If knew it would end with concepts of inception. Dream within a dream 😂😊
Why does this guy Vimoh only bring confused confused people on the subject of philosophy such as Vedanta which is very sensitive agar koi bhi aira gaira aise hi advait vedant pr bolne lage to sab gyani nhi ho jayenge ye log har chiz ko complicate krke kharab kar rhe hain aur vimoh jaise log apne aap ko sahi sabit karne lagte hain
I don't invite anyone. It's an open discourse. If you want, you can come next Saturday and we can talk.
@@vimohlive come where?
@@AkshayMishra700 his stream every Saturday 8pm
@@sanak6232 how to join?
I am dreaming in my dreams that I am dreaming.
he is still in the dream 💤😴
Sir I request you to make a separate video on the word's Mysterious temple - jagannath temple . state the scientific reason behind it .
Inception 😎
8:09 I just well down from my bed laughing 😂😂😂 wtf
Koi pani maari mere muh pe. Mein dream mein to nahi hu
What Advaita vedanta means by illusion is that we don't actually experience true objective reality what we experience is the social constructs that we form of that reality. Example. What is a chair, if a sit on the ground, is planet earth a chair? If I sit on a table? Is the table a chair? Chair is only chair when we say it is. Now there is objective matter over there. But our reality that is based on that matter is a subjective illusion.
Tareeka hai self inquiry
BRO S DDREAMING
People take that dream example literally and then spoil the meaning of Adwait.
bro is scientific in his dreams, no doubt
Ramte Pagal hogae hai 2014 k baad se😂😂😂😂
How is this fanatic different from a schooled peaceful? Both are ready to believe in some text without proof. Regarding dreams, Freud has done some seminal work. It falls in the purview of psychology, psychiatry and neurology.
Do you believe in consciousness ?
Are you having first person experience?
Can you make a video on..
baba harbhajan singh story?
Koi mujhe ye batao hum marne ke baad ki life ke liye itna sochte hai par jab hum jee rhe hote hai to aapsa me bhedbhav ladai jhagda wtf at all 😢
Sahi nastik nhi the Mohit Bhai 😅
raman ne nhi adi shankarcharya ne diya tha advait vedant
I want you to make a video on paradoxical sajid
Yes dear vimoh life is also dream only for that you need to have deep understanding you can check previous comment of my on tou last live where i already reply
Life ek dream hai or is dream k bahar hum jaha jagte hai, wo bhi usse aage wale dream ka hissa hai, is tarah ye infinite regression hai kuch bhi real nhi hai, dream k bahar dream us dream k bahar bhi dream😂😂
Lol dehati philosopher is convinced 😂
If spirts exist, in their life this may be true..
Sapne me agar pata chal jaye ki ye sapna hai tab to aap jaag hi gaye na aur kitna jagna hai
Agar ab bhi nahi jage to nind khulne ka intezaar karo tab tak is sapne me maja lo fir reality me maja karna.😂
People break down into two groups. When they experience something lucky, group number one sees it as more than luck, more than coincidence. They see it as a sign, evidence, that there is someone up there, watching out for them. Group number two sees it as just pure luck. Just a happy turn of chance. I'm sure the people in group number two are looking at those fourteen lights in a very suspicious way. For them, the situation is a fifty-fifty. Could be bad, could be good. But deep down, they feel that whatever happens, they're on their own. And that fills them with fear. Yeah, there are those people. But there's a whole lot of people in group number one. When they see those fourteen lights, they're looking at a miracle. And deep down, they feel that whatever's going to happen, there will be someone there to help them. And that fills them with hope. See what you have to ask yourself is what kind of person are you? Are you the kind that sees signs, that sees miracles? Or do you believe that people just get lucky? Or, look at the question this way: Is it possible that there are no coincidences?
From Signs (2002)
I am not opposing Vimoh but I am also not "exactly Vimoh".
Neti Neti
Hamare baba g sattey bolte hain 😂😂😂
Everything is a dream, now go to sleep.
i want you to make a video on peradoxical sajid
let me clarify sir
He has never experienced anything like falseness of world
His emotions are so much bound to Ramana Maharshi that all things spoken by him makes sense
A guru teacher cannot to explain the truth you've to find it
He can only show tha falsness of the self (ego)
Like you've your brain, your brain projects everything external with the image which it created previously on seeing that object!!
Now Everyone has their own image and experiences now this makes world relative !!!
Means you experience different world other person has a different world when you're communicating you talk from your perspective and image projected by your brain !!
You've limited range of hearing , seeing , tasting etc....
That makes that world is real
But YOUR World is false for sure
It's created by you and depends on you and your emotions
And as we all are humans we all have our own world our own imagination of World
And world could be something totally different from our imagination!!
The point that krihnamurti arises you start moving closer to truth when you start viewing things without letting brain to create a predefined image of it !!
Let you brain forget everything's predefined image
Let everyone moment be new for you !!
Then you'll come to know what the wakening up is all about
And the part where you say in dreams laws of physics don't work
And in real life it works
The point is this is also the part of the fakeness where you have a subtle perception of World more strong becoz of the laws of physics
The underlying reality will not be bound to such things it it's reality!!
Never be sure of the reality until you start realising it !! No worries how much a great personality says this to you
See it your self !!!
Yes, there is only one consciousness, but we are different at the level of mind and body. So two different mind-body complexes are interacting with each other. Secondly this apparent reality is a dream of Samashti(God/collective) not the dream of vyashti (individual).
that which remains constant throughout the ever-changing material of universe , the constant field of awareness on which all material changes occur is called brahman . Its not egocentric , in fact advaita is all about giving up on the thought that you are the body mind. Understand, sleep is not the absence of experience but the experience of absence
you are not the body, not the mind you are the pure awareness to which all of this is appearing
the appearance is an illusion which is neither real nor unreal because it has an ever-changing nature( exists in conventional sense but not in ultimate sense hence the term "mithya")
Fair explanation, this guy vimoh only uploads conversations of confused people
Agar ye world dream hai, to jo ye aadmi bat kar rha hai, wo bhi unreal hai, or jo bat karne k karan sound aa rhi hai wah bhi unreal hai, to is unreal aadmi or unreal sound se jo knowledge produce ho rha h wah bhi apne aap unreal ho gya, to aese unreal logo ki bato or unreal sound ko real hi kyu manna, kya brahman bhi kisi supreme consciousness k dream ka part nhi ho skta or wah supreme consciousness kisi or super supreme consciousness k dream k part nhi ho skte kya?
पूरा दिन गुड़ गोबर हो गया 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
realization ka utna bada role nahi hai matlab
Actually Advaita vedant is a great philosophy which is based on experience that's all ✌🏻
Those who claimed the experience can't prove it and those who denying can't experience it.😂
But I think it's a only religious topic which is debatable 😶 logically 😅
There is nothing religious not one Devi devta aur god is mentioned in it it’s pure self enquiry
If we are consciousness and eternal, we are fucked for ever. Let ourselves be nothing but an emergent phenomenon that is perishable over time. In this way, we can be free from all suffering and pain after death.
To be free , you have to exist . 😂
@@rishabhthakur8773 Not necessarily. My statement imply that if consciousness cease to exist, suffering and pain finds no meaning and cannot affect us.
@@ADAM-yr1fk haha bro you haven't understood advaita. If you really belived you are consciousness and nothing else you would never ever suffer. Suffering is for the ego not for the pure consciousness.
@@mohitdhiman79 I am consciousness, whose another formal name is "Mind". In the absence of mind, imagining consciousness is meaningless. If suffering is for the ego, then why do I suffer? If you suggest I am identifying with the Ego, then you have to admit that consciousness can identify with ego. In that case, activity in Consciousness is accepted, that goes against the basic tenets of Shankara's Advaita.
@ADAM-yr1fk mind is ego, not consciousness. Who says imagining consciousness is meaningless? Does consciousness say this or does ego says this. Ponder. Activity does not happen in consciousness, it only happens in ego. Who says there is activity, only ego which itself is illusion.
Agar ye world dream hai, to jo ye aadmi bat kar rha hai, wo bhi unreal hai, or jo bat karne k karan sound aa rhi hai wah bhi unreal hai, to is unreal aadmi or unreal sound se jo knowledge produce ho rha h wah bhi apne aap unreal ho gya, to aese unreal logo ki bato or unreal sound ko real hi kyu manna...
मोहित को यह दुनिया यह सपना नजर आती है और बाकीसब सपना हीहै तो रमन महर्षी तुम्हें सपने में ही समझाया है और आप पहले नास्तिक थे यह बात गलत है यदि आप नास्तिक होते तो यह आपकी सोच आज नहीं होती
Vimoh bhai , itna padne k bad baba ban jao bahaut z so zyda pese kamaogay . Maan lo baat . Bba bn jao . Itni akal to bc hisndustaan me kisis k paas nahi
Maya is illusion but it doesn’t mean world doesn’t exist objects don’t exist it just means object may not exist the way your sense organs is perceiving them surely there are objects we all see the same objects but our sensory perception gives a meaning to those objects so that it’s useful for our survival in different ways you have thoughts about objects in your mind you don’t only see objects as they are and you probably could never and depending on what kind of conditioning your mind has you will perceive the world that way that’s what maya is.
One more thing as you so easily said that you have seen other people die so you have concluded that consciousness is gone after person is dead but have you yourself experienced that? No so how are you scientific?
मैं आपको महसूस करा सकता हूं ।
की शक्तियां exist karti hai ।
Uske baad aapke belive change ho jayenge khud ba khud।
Ye sab bol k logoo ko enlightened hone k liye brainwash kra jata h
Mujhe dream mein aya road k center m khamba hai mere gaun mein ab m Roz wha sey sidda nhi jattu hu pr gao walle mnte nhi koi khamba hai bhai sacha hai 😜
dream me consistency nhi hoti hai ye bat jagne ke bad pata chalta hai dream me nhi
dream me bhi lagta hai ki yahi reality
Sometimes when you are not able to run in your dreams you definitely question your strength you never think (in your dream )that you are handicapped or there is nothing like running.
Sometimes when your distant friend is with you in dream you do question that how is it possible
@@G_AryanGupta think more. In your dream you never question that things are not real. What ever wierd things happen in dream you take those things as real. The question came in your mind when you wake up not in dream.
@@VishalKumar-dc4hi ever heard about lucid dreams?
@@G_AryanGupta do you know about vivid dreams
@@G_AryanGuptahow does lucid dreams prove that the waking state is not a dream.
Bhai ne kuchh kiya hua hai
😂😂.
Wasted my youth on this stupid adwaitya theory...its all bs.
If god does not exist,how Mohammad saw..what he said everything become true,even many many years after his demise, historically u can read that..
😅😅
@vimoh 14:21 new reaction template for ya