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Industrialization never removed racism in Western countries, so it's illogical to assume this position.
Race and caste are not same
@@MayankKumar-rc5hh mentality is same
@@MayankKumar-rc5hh Racism and casteism were invented to separate people and wield power over them. They are both birth based, and bring about biases even in liberal people. What's really different about them?
In addition, It gave more power to the oppressor.
Lowered caste people started sitting equally with so called savarna because of reservation,, islye dard hota inko,, reservation hata do bakki to savarna wapis inko aukat dikha dega,, ye hi chalta dimag mei inke
Industrialisation will ony remover poverty ,but not caste . Caste will only be removed by humanisam
It has remove racism in those countries. It can remove cast in same way
@@utkarshdixit5567 in which country racism is wiped out, plx tell me. Human nature is to make difference on basis of race ,class, caste,gender etc. most of the discrimination is done only n only by men
Industrialization can decrease the Magnitude of poverty, but it has failed the remove poverty all together. Rather, industrialization was adopted by the Big Landlords in every country and it only helped in increasing their wealth and control over the labour.
I doubt it will remove poverty too. Rather, it might widen the class gap.
@@lasyak6355 so then here again comes the discrimination,
I can't 😭 watch this anymore,
hats off to you guys to encounter these kind of people ❤❤❤
Hope I get the strength from you guys to encounter these kind of people (btw i watched the whole vdo)
Yes
What do you mean by these kind of people?
You speak as if they are threat to humanity
@@saptarsi7868 for an individual no ,but in mass it is threat to humanity
9.23 ...vimoh - are jaldi bol ...kal panvel nikalna hai 😂😂😂
Dude confused class with caste, both are different thing.
In india, they both are almost the same thing. For example an extraordinarily rich dalit would be treated differently than the poor one with the same surname.
Casteism is just a very extreme form of classism if you go by the definition. It is just an extreme social classification at the end of the day!
2:48 Stop treatment of Cancer to remove cancer 😂😂😂😂😂
So the poor brahmin wants the reservation on top of reservation but still want to salvage caste, the person didnt even consider the fact that Caste is reservation. Its an ancestral reservation. codified in the religion.;
Stop having discussion someone who says British bought caste system to india
Exactly
English ठीक से नही बोल रहा हैं तो कोई बात नही अपनी बात रखने के लिए हिन्दी बोल लेता comfortable hain तो
Maybe he can't speak Hindi as well.
Hindi is not an universal language in India.
We have to communicate no matter what
You are brave guys able to converse with impossible fellows
Watching Vimoh talking logically polishes my logic and rationality.
I didn't know that you are odia
Hello vimoh
I agree with VIMOH ❤
My point is that reservation is because the representation of the schedule caste people is low when the representation will increase by the schedule caste the reservation will automatically remove because the population percentage of the schedule caste people is more than the actual reservation given to them. The point is that the reservation is given to schedule caste than also the the representation is not increasing. For example if there are 100 people in schedule caste than only 45 people have the reservation And not for all. if 50 people from schedule caste apply for the post than the remaining 5 people will need to take the position from general caste. So i think that reservation main reason is to increase the percentage of representatives from the schedule caste. The reservation will automatically gone as the representation will increase.
No, the reservation is still there because no ruling government want to remove it and risk their vote bank.
Significant debate
He absolutely sounded Odia 😂😂
Constitution K Article 16(4A) K According....Sc,ST,Obcs Reservation Sirf Economic or Social status per hai,"EWS Sudama Quota"Caste Based Reservation hai Only For So called Uppercaste
ST, SC, OBC ka reservatiin economic base par nahi hai.
It is based on educational backwardness and social discrimination.
Read constitution once again
Please allow to save it
I love the magical thinking of the savarna Hindus
18:11 law ke bajese nahi jayge kyu ki kisi company me job par ho aur aap sc ho aur unko pata chala ki aap sc ho to vo koi bhi karan dekhe Job's se nikal dete hai
Aur ek Maharashtra me ek Bank me Sc person kam karta tha to usne Blue shirt pahani isliye use manager ne use humiliate kiya aur
Baki staff ne ullta maneger ko hi support kiya aur sabhi lok has rahe the koi ko nahi laga ki ye galt hai
Castism hota hai a up me kisi ko direct marte hai
Baki progresive sate me indirectly karate hai
Karate hai that's the problem
When I heard his accent I knew he was going to speak some shit
11:47 given incentive for they was Dipressd and start line of their taking equation is late
Jai Bhim Jai Bharat Caste based reservation based upon socially and ecnomically weakness for SC, St, and OBC..
YEs and there should also be total transfer of muslims from india to Pakistan just as Ambedkar wanted!
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Ironically, a younger Marx also used to think that capitalism might detroy caste society, like it did the feudal structures in Europe. He obvious soured on the revolutionary potential of capitalism as he developed his critique of political economy and started actually studying about India.
Vivoh bhai tame odisha ra
Reservation = Representation of the different people of India which are divided in society on the basis of caste.
My caste, badhai is not represented in the parliament, I wnat reservation.
@@No-I-dont-want-that same here
@@No-I-dont-want-that if you are badhai then you come under Obc and in Parliament obc is represented.
@@tps8323 I know that, but my caste is specifically not represented. I feel like my community is left out.
@@No-I-dont-want-that
I am not the right person who will guide you on that please talk to expert about this what I know is representation and it's what matters me most.
Many problems in India are so small that they can be tackled easily but it's about power and structure in which some are benefiting the most and they want others to suffer like this and they don't want that structure to be change so until that the only key is representation which will in future make that changes.
I was here to just make a single comment after watching video and not to debate.
4:42 vimho sir apana odia ki
Reply no
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Who is at the receiving end though? The Jaatavs discriminate against Musahars. Brahmins and OBCs discriminate Dalits. But OBCs complain that Brahmins are oppressors, so OBCs don't like Brahmins, then there are Jats, Gujjars, Rajputs with superiority complex, Yudavanshis against Ahirs. It's not simply "Brahmin oppressing Dalits"
There are alot of OBC communities who are richer than other communities, they get reservation and baap dada ki sampatti.
If caste based reservation will continue for 500 years more, than after that shall we bring back the casteism for 500 years more and repeat the cycle like pigs or shall we eradicate casteism and caste based reservation completely and move forward to a more equal society. Why poor people from General section shall suffer because sins of their forefathers? That's something you'll not expect from "rationalists".
I am OBC by the way.
U are correct, but u are blaming the symptom rather than blaming the root cause of disease.
Why not target the root cause, which is Brahman religion and Brahmanism. Do you have audacity for that
@@sorenutpal6091what is exactly the Brahman religion?
I am asking because I am not a Brahmin but a general category Hindu.
@@THEAVGAMING It is Hindu religion whose all the primary scriptures written by Brahmins only and solely. I dare you name one primary scripture written by non Brahmin.
@@sorenutpal6091 I don't know because my religious knowledge is almost zero.
Yeh communists sochte hai aise
He is brahman-comrade cocktail 😂😂
Some of them definitely.Those Brahmin Lefties has insane amount of inner bigotry. Just don't wanna face the truth. But people who read and understood post modern marxist theory about intersectionalism are not like this. The dude in the video missed the point of intersectionality.
An anti reservation communist? Now that's what I have see.
@@souvikdeb808 dude, I get your point but please take care about terminology.
Marxism is a strictly modernist philosophy. Post modernism is in fact anti-Marxist cuz it rejects singular narratives of world history and its analysis. This makes 'post modern Marxist theory' a contradiction in terms, kind of like 'socialist capitalism'.
Intersectionality is not post-modern in any way you might want to imply.
@@foxtrot8325 yeah you are right... my bad...
my question is kardashev scale type 7 civilization
Industrialization and it’s consequences
I am an atheist and assuming that if i will be in a huge position in politics (e.g. president)
How should i react to dharmas
Because I don't believe in this all hell
But in a hindu majority country if you are not kneeling down in front of ram
You might be called the most arrogant and unfortunate selection in the history of india
Right wing People may call you deshdrohi as we can see in Ayodhya
Awadhesh Prasad is asking in mainstream media to say jay shree ram and he didn't so it was a meem material for right wings and some of my friends also sent me that meem with caption of unfortune of Ayodhya.
So is it okay to be athiest for a public figure especially for a president or prime minister etc...
By the way i am from Odisha
A small piece of knowledge for them who think reservation exist only in india .
USA have some kind of reserve county( indian jilla) for indigenous population ( called red indians) where they have there own police judges and mayor with government. And they enjoy much better reservation that india have
Overt Affirmative action is illegal in usa. They use various kinds of tricks to filter out candidates with subjective things to get a demographic they want.
YES SIR
I THINK IT'S IN INDIANA STATE?
Hi light, the barakunin had concessions made, with support of socialist and communist parties. Not only that for any normal person it was incredible hard to find out who is barakumin. So no, it was not capitalism, it was actually socialism that helped and special concessions that are specifically made for them.
In India it's not that easy to hide the identity, as discrimination happens not just to one particular caste but many castes, and upper castes usually benefit by helping only from their families or related castes. If lower caste has such an advantage, why are no upper caste people marrying from lower caste? You realise that it'll instantly remove casteism within one or two generations with equal distribution of inter-caste marriages. But that doesn't happen, instead we get honor killings. That is because casteism towers over reservation. There are instances where people don't hire anyone when SC slot is open and after time is up, they'll open a spot/post in general category to take someone they like.
One of the greatest misconception I feel is India is not backward because of reservation, India is still backward because we are not able to utilise our greatest resource, the human resource. We like keeping lower castes lower where they don't get bigger posts.
VIMOH
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I am unaware, and I am just asking why do they get admission even if they get lower marks compare to general category they should get reservation for fees only right?
I think it has to do with representation, and as mentioned in the video being rich doesn't mean lower caste people aren't discriminated against based on caste
They qualify in their own category. General has to qualify in general category. Every category has different cut off. You fight in your category .
There are different number of seats or posts for different category.
No mix pix.
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One thing I don't understand is how caste-based reservation will remove the social stigma of casteism from people's minds if people are racist. In my opinion, caste-based reservation itself causes reverse discrimination for general castes as well as discomfort for the reserved caste people. Reservation can give you better education, better jobs, but can't eradicate casteism from people's minds. Also, your statement that even rich people from reserved classes face discrimination is evidence that by getting reservation, you may ride the ladder of economic growth and education but can't change people's thoughts thus cant change society. So basically, reservation is not helpful in eradicating people's bigotry and bringing a societal chnage. If it does, then please explain me how.
In fact, I have witnessed a few cases (which even you agreed on in your video with a similar example) where an SC/ST person has gotten a government job/admission to a government institute because of reservation, and a general caste person is saying, "Arey usko toh reservation ke wajah se mila gaya nahi toh aaj kal govt job/ itna kam score mein government institute mein admission kahaan milta hai?" (He got it only because of reservation, otherwise who gets a government job/admission in a government institute these days with such lower marks?). This mentality won't go away with reservation; in fact, it adds more fuel to the thinking that reservation is killing merit, and this thinking will grow as our society becomes more progressive, and divide our society more by creating a rift in the minds of people who are even supportive of SC/ST/OBC categories and are not biased against them. So, in my opinion, reservation causes more problems than it solves.
Also, I totally agree with you that India still has racism, which is totally unfair. But if racism has gone on for 500 years, then having reservation for 500 years doesn't make sense to me. That being said, I think after independence, even though caste-based reservation was a good measure for uplifting the backward classes in India (as at that time India had many social problems also had economic hurdles), but when we started to develop resources we should have gradually moved towards a system of support for the less privileged sections of society (not reservation, but resource-based support, such as free education, coaching, healthcare, and considerable stipends for the weaker sections). This would have helped society more than just having reservation for every category like EWS/ SC/ST/OBC etc.
By the way, don't consider me a bigoted Hindu, which I am not. I am fully supportive of people's rights and also an atheist. I admire your videos on atheism and also think they are perfect on point. I have also learned a great deal about reasoning from those videos. But in this case your own logic and observation is contradicting your take on reservation.
Come to my live stream channel (Vimoh Live) on any Saturday at 8pm. I do live debates and you can join to speak with me.
@@vimohlive sorry sir I am too shy to speak if you have any point you can mention it here, if my reasoning is wrong on reservation I would consider it. Thank you for your reply btw.
Wipe out caste and reservation itself will be no longer required but as long as upper castes wield a tight hold on institutions and have massive influence this won't happen. In the meantime reservations are the only means to achieve any kind of social parity.
Also by your logic, segregation should still have been a thing in America because racists are still going to be racist. But somehow the amended laws remained and over time, some attitudes changed.
@@mrrahulkurup Upper Castes shouldn't wield a tight hold on the instututions, for thatw e need free and fair selection process not reservation, if resrevation would have helped then after 75 years we would have seen equal representation. Also, also for any position skill should be the criteria which could be done by investing on resources and providing qaulity support to the underprivileged society and not by giving them ersrevation at reduced marks.
8:58 industry se castesim nahi jayega kyu ki Maharashtra me ek HR ne what's we bola hai tum Jai bhim wale ho aur hum Jai bhim walo ko Job pe nahi rakhte
Aur ye incident 1 month pahile ka hi hai
Police complaint huwi hai uske liye
Brahman religion whole motive was to impose caste
Clearly he might be an Odia. Only odia people pronounced some words like he is talking.
Assuming intelligence is distributed equally among all castes, theoretically all jobs must have almost a similar distribution of castes
If you take a large company with 100 top executives then 10% or so must be upper castes and 90% must be others no?
If out of 100, 97 or 99 are held by 10% upper castes what does it mean??
Or God made 10% upper castes more intelligent? If so he or she is not a fair God no?
And the quotation is less than 50% thanks to SC.
So 90% fight for 50% seats and 10% get 50%. And the 10% still are not happy😊
Another argument.
Let us say 10% reservations are for SCs - only the best from SCs can get no?
Like Buddha said, think.
Sheduel caste means list of caste
3:34 Dipressd Class have reservation
Dipressd people Identify on based on caste and put them in shedule caste
Shedule caste reservation is based on Dipression not on castes
Those caste was Dipressd they put in schedule ( list ) Caste
Shedule caste are not backward class they are Dipressd Class
That's is main point
OBC are backwards class
Read Puna pact and Mack donult award
I'm a nonBramhin general caste student. Na mujhe bramhin hone ka previlage mila na reserved hone ka benefits mila.
But adhereing to caste system created by bamans in that way contributing in the opression of outcastes just because they were born in different family
You think so. But if you are upper caste, regardless of Brahmin or not, you have the advantage of not being discriminated against like the backward castes. Nobody refuses to touch you, nobody beats you up for being Dalit.
tujhe sub-minimum wage me na jineka, aur uninterrupted/undelayed education ka privilege mila
@@sup8429 woh toh bahut sara sc aur obc ko bhi mila, tujhe b mila hi hoga aur mere baap ne puri zindegi less than minimum wage me hi guzara hai, toh tu apna gyan apne paas rakh
@@TheIanPanda looks like you are either bramhin or reserved or from upper middle class background.
The argument being made is reservation based on caste is not working to move our society away from caste.
Objective evidence may need ro be provided that reservation works- hard thing when it comes to sociology.
There are tons of evidences everywhere that it's not working. Whether you go to temple, getting rentals, friends circle, partner relationship, etc.
The main reason is because they aren't benefitting the reservations because they aren't using it properly in the first place. We need to educate people the power of reservation.
0:31 हिंदी में ही बोल लो
If industrialisation will remove racism, those rich NRI and OCI uncles working in cool offices in the USA would not have protested introduction of anti-caste bill. What helps in reducing casteism is a gradual enlightening of society who values humanism over religious diktat. This will take centuries. This will not happen this century for sure. Reservation only mitigate the problem of casteism in the interim because a poor Scheduled caste person will face more intense casteism than a rich Schedule caste person.
The general category population is only 15-16% in India and while we do need to support the poor among them with EWS reservation, we cannot just introduce 50% reservation of EWS and stop caste based reservation. If that would be the case, poor GC person would have advantage there as well compared to the poor backward caste person. The battle a poor GC person have to fight is against poverty while a poor lower caste person have to fight both against poverty and discrimination. Even a rich backward caste person fights discrimination, even though the intensity is less.
What I wish that should be debated that once a backward caste person have taken the benefit of reservation for 3 generation maximum, or falls in the top 5% of income and asset that they should be excluded from caste based reservation. This is to ensure that the rich among the backward caste do not take all the advantage of caste based reservation. I am already seeing evidence of it. I know a doctor couple who drives in expensive car who have enlisted their son in medical college on the basis of caste reservation. I think something needs to be done to stop these. Something like this is already in place for OBC, but not for SC and ST.
Indian Muslim m.
Discrimination based on caste exists amongst Muslims
Lower caste Muslims should also be given reservations
Hai to OBC me? Ameer Muslim General me hai.
In case people are so dismissive of industrialization , yes urbanization via industrial process is the reason for removing of slavery, or women emancipation movement. Lets just transport this progressive generation to the pre industrial social economic structure and lets see how long will it able to survive before reaching to the same social structure existed before. Capitalism has its problems but it is the tool which can transport this nations socially to the next state where this small group identity will dilute itself to form a major set.
😂😅😂😂😂😅😂😅😂😅😂😅😂😂. Jis desh me abhi bhi log sadiyo me aur dusre function me sirf iss liye nahi jate ya fir protest karte he ki kuchh sc/st friends ko bhi lhane ke liye bula diya, uss country me caste based reservation rehna hi chahiye kyuki tabhi to usse apana hakk milega....logo ko caste based reservation se problem he but caste ke naam par logo ko kya kya sehna padta he usse koi problem nai he.....😂😂😅😂😅😂😅😂😅😅😂😅😂😅😂😅😂😅😅😂😅😂😅😂😅😅😂😅😂😅😅😂😅😅😂
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