"बिना क्रीऐटर के चीज नहीं हो सकती" इस लॉजिक का जवाव ओशो ने दिया था। उनके हिसाब से अगर खुदा बिना किसी क्रीऐटर के हो सकता है तो कोई और भी चीज हो सकती है और धार्मिक लोगों का कहना हैं कि खुदा को किसी ने नहीं बनाया सो अगर वो बिना किसी के बनाए आ सकती है तो और भी कुछ बिना किसी के बनाए आ सकती है
He is just so annoying. He just don't know anything but he is claiming that he knows everything. As per me we know nothing but we want to explore and know the truth behind the reason for our existence and science help for that.
House analogy doesn't even makes sense. An atheist isn't gonna invading his house and asking him to show the deed. Ahmed is occupying a random land and shoving the claim on other's face that that is his property but is shy to actually show any proof when asked.
If you were truly an atheist, you wouldn't harbor animosity toward any religion. The essence of atheism lies in the absence of belief in any deity, thus there is no basis for either loving or hating religions. Your characterization of atheists as believers in false gods is unfounded and misrepresents atheistic beliefs. It is important to recognize that individuals' beliefs, or lack thereof, do not inherently correlate with danger; rather, it is actions based on any belief system that determines potential harm.
@@SyedIkramuddin I don't harbour any animosity towards religions or religious people, but I have zero tolerance for arrogant idiots who want others to accept some unproved claims as ultimate truth..
His argument is "God ne mujhe bataya" LOL. He doesn't seem to understand the meaning of belief, randomness, knowledge, let alone probability and logic.
that,s the same energy between me and my abba on some religiuos conversations like, "Allah ke bina bole ek ptta bhi nhi hilta" my argument to my father is : - "To kya Jo gair Muslim bchhe paida hote hai gair religion me , wo bhi Allah ke Mrzi se huaa??".......................Then I get to face the defencing+Angry behaviour from him... 💀💀
@@scoobyaura-fr6dmi guess we're taking it on behalf of how planets from... Take a telescope you can see gravity is pulling space dust rolled up into the ball... we're not 100% sure, but we've got a certain amount of data, that yes, a planet is forming... Else possibilities ki jagah khayali pulao can say, an invisible, inviolable kumbhkaran exists who shit a rock called earth... And we have no way to prove it false, we don't even have any data that can even comprehend kumbhkaran... Let alone proving it true, we can't even prove it false.
2:10 this is how you know his only purpose was to bring down some other religion and put his on top , its never about god its always about "their" god 😅😅 i mean i think sometimes if all religions become united and come at us atheists then we will have a difficult time but we know it wont happen because it defeat's the purpose of having a religion in the first place which his : superiority over other.
@@vikassaini7485 because they'll kill everyone of us to establish a world full of believers (we would be sinners for them) and then finally they'll end up clashing between each other's religious beliefs and start to kill each other until the only ones who'll be left will be atheists themselves
This one question can destroy the base of all the believers. If the creator is assumed to have existed always, why can't the same logic be applied for the universe and the entire existence.
I'm a practicing Muslim and I don't claim Ahmed as one of us. MY GOODNESS! Some people have ZERO listening skills. They "hear" but don't "listen" or vice versa. He is so INSISTENT upon the existence of a God that he continuously loses track of the fact that the science that he claims is his foundation has NEVER confirmed the existence of any God. He's just playing a game of "GOTCHA". He isn't interested in a discussion. He only cares about "MERI BHAINS SABSE BADI"!
@@preetamrawat4939I don’t think he needs to do that. It seems, he has the mental maturity to understand that it’s just his beliefs and he doesn’t have to prove to anyone anything about his belief. He also understands that none of his beliefs are really scientifically established or proved. And the only truth is that, we really don’t know what’s before time. So it’s just his beliefs, where he finds his solace in, but not a proven fact backed with any kind of evidence. And there is no problem in accepting that.
@@SupaHotFire776 I am an Atheist as well. But I don’t think we need to attack someone like this guy above. Someone who happens to understand his beliefs are not proven facts. And don’t really have any problem with that.
@@shahzaman365 I haven't seen a religious person who straight up says my religious beliefs aren't based on scientific evidence and I believe what I believe just because it was indoctrinated into my mind. If he/she had the mental capacity to understand that they wouldn't be following a religion in the first place.
Mera ek aur question hai aapse: Wo caller jab puch raha tha ki iss universe mei koi aisa substance batane jo khud se wajood me aa gaya, isse mujhe yeh samajh me aaya ki wo banda strongly believe karta hai ki iss universe me koi bhi chiz khud se nahi aa sakti. Abhi uske logic ko counter karne ke liye aapne usse yeh kyu nahi pucha ki jiss God mei wo believe kar raha hai, uska wajood khud se kaise aagaya? Yeh puchne se uska argument kaafi weak ho jata.
@@vimohlive I see But agar wo God ko eternal bolta toh usko yeh bhi keh sakte the that our Universe can also be eternal, zaroori nahi isme God beech mei aaye. I mean iss chiz ki possibility ho sakti hai.
@@shreyyadav8809 it's simple, he'll just claim that since we know that Big Bang happened, God was responsible for it, thereby "proving" that he is eternal and the creator
So painful to constantly be shown that 99.99% of people do not even know the difference between belief and knowledge. They have never even thought about it. Aur aa jaate hai apne khud ke belief ko established fact samajh ke.
@@satkrapp7697 that's what your personal hatred speaking. He is due to the society which made him adamant to make every one believe what's written on a specific book is truth.
जो कहते है की कोई भी चीज अपनेआप नही बन सकती है या अपनेआप प्रकट नही हो सकती है...वो लोग यह कहते हूऐ पाये जाते है की भगवान अपनेआप बन गया या प्रकट हो गया...😂😂😂
नहीं वो लोग ऐसा नहीं कहते की God अपने आप बन गया, हमारे हर ग्रंथ में लिखा है कि उस ईश्वर के बारे मे जानने की humans के बस के बाहर की बात है, बड़े बड़े ऋषि मुनि संत और देवता तक उस ईश्वर के बारे मे कुछ नहीं जानते, कैसे पैदा हुआ कैसे दिखता है आदि आदि
Point he bhai,😂 aur ek bat bhai, agar bhagwan ne sabko banaya hai to sab hindu peda hone chahiye the, aur agar allah ne sabko banaya to sab muslim peda hone chahiye the. Itni sidhi si bat kisiko samjh nhi aati, aur ye mera sirf opinion he iska data mere pass nhi he, ki chije apne aap peda ho sakti he chahe o universe hoya kuch bhi sab apne aap hota he creator ki jarurat nhi he, because of ham ese universe me rehte he jaha creator ki jarurat padti hai chije banne ke liye, ham ye predict nhi kar sakte baaki sab jagah esa hi hota ho
Arre yaar bohot simple hai; He is asking "Can anything in this universe come into existence on its own?" Palat ke poochho, "Then how did your God come into existence? Who created him?" And then watch him go back on his own argument.
The theist’s answer to this is usually like, “But God is a being that is beyond the universe, hence it doesn’t require a creator and isn’t subject to the same laws of existence as things inside a universe.”
जीव (चेतन/ज्ञानस्वरूप), काल और प्रकृति (जड़ तत्व), समान्य भाषा में सजीव और निर्जीव जानते हैं इसी तीनों का महायोग यह श्रृष्टि हैं। यह तीनों सदा सदा से हैं इसे आप ईश्वर कहे या श्रृष्टि कहे या भगवान कहे या कुछ भी न कहे या इसे कुत्ता कहे या गधा कहे या इसे गाली दे या नास्तिक बने या आस्तिक बने यह सभी आप के बुद्धि पे निर्भर हैं।
@@sameerkachhap6208 Exactly Like A Hook which is hanging on the wall and there are chain hanging on it . The chain is the creation and the Hook is God.
"Who created the universe" comes with the presupposition that the universe was created. Which is why we need to ask, "How do you know it was created?" first.
Lots of respect. I too once started my journey as an atheist. Atheist way of thinking provides great clarity of thought to look at the universe through materialistic lens. But as you progress further noticing the comnonalities and experiencing things beyond you unlock higher truths. Looking at the world through different lens is the way forward.
Nice argument Vimoh ❤ But I have 1 question: In context of throwing a dice, we know there are 6 possible outcomes. But let say I want to talk specifically with respect to number 4. So, we can say we might get a 4 or we might not get a 4. Now as you said in the video, getting a 4 is a "possibility" and not getting a 4 is not a "possibility". So, what is the correct terminology if I want to talk about not getting a 4?
If the question is finding the probability of getting a 4 and the possible outcomes are getting a 4 and not getting a 4; the probability of getting a 4 shall still be 1/6 and the probability of not getting a 4 shall be 5/6.
@@vimohlive I understand not-x is a whole category. But lets consider that someone says: 1) God might exist or might not exist. 2) There are 2 possibilities that God might exist or might not exist. So, can we say that statement 1 is correct while statement 2 is incorrect?
@@shreyyadav8809 But those aren't the only two possibilities, right? Or at least there isn't enough information to conclude that those are the only two possibilities.
9:58 Isse poocho ki humne adha kata hua apple table pe chorr dia … ab ab wahan becteria agye and vo apne aap kharab ho gya humare nazariye se …. Ab inse poocho ki kaise proove karega god ne kia ?? But science kar degi ki laise hua ..
Mera sawal hai ki god nai duniya banayi kuo, agar insaano ke liye duniya banayi to phir baaki planets, black hole, nebulas, sun, inki kya jarurat thi. Infact, sirf 5% universe ko hi hum log observe kar sakte hai. To baaki duniya banayi hi kuo jab unhe human se hi interact karna tha
Vimoh has many strengths, but I feel there’s room for improvement in his listening skills. Active listening could enhance the quality of the debates and allow for a more balanced dialogue.
I think there might be some network issue from Ahmed side and the voice might audible to him after few seconds because he takes time after vimoh stop then start to speak, at some points and othertime he was speaking in the middle of vimoh speaking. The Ahmed has given me arnab vibe 😂
He has been doing this for a very long time and he knows when to listen and when to stop the callers. He cannot let the callers divert the narrative and purpose of this channel. It's rarest of rare case if some caller gives some new argument. This was a very frustrating conversation and if I put myself in vimoh's shoes, I would have been yelling at the caller like a lunatic. When you are holding a debate, you cannot let the other side take the whole stage. When someone comes for a discussion, Vimoh listens.
In this case, the person claiming that God exists has the burden of proof. If someone asserts the existence of something, they are responsible for providing evidence or arguments to support that claim. Your request for proof of non-existence doesn't shift the burden; it remains with the person making the positive claim.
"Can something be created on its own?" Ye koi scientific question hai hi nhi, ye ek philosophical question hai. 'Something' kuch bhi ho skta hai, matter ya energy ya force. Jo ki ek humanly perspective hai chizon ko dekhne ka. Quantum Physics me atoms theoretically har chiz ban skte hn ( Apple ya Mermaids ya Powerpuff girls) bina kisi external interventions k.
I am all Rational. Believe in scientific approach and analysis. But I have this question about Reincarnation of Titu the famous Agra case. I am very curious how to put this in debate about some supernatural power. Really appreciate if you answer.
किसी को कुछ भी मालूम नहीं है फिर चाहे वो धर्म हो, विज्ञान हो, खोजी हो, चिंतक हो, अध्यात्म हो l अन्तिम और असल सच वो होगा जिसके बारे मे इंसानी दिमाग अभी सोचने मे असमर्थ है l
Bhai ek high court ke chief justice ne kaha tha moorni more ke ansu pike pregnent hota hai iss liye moore ko national bird kaha jata hai. Former mumbai police comissioner ne kaha tha evolution chhez ki koi cheez hai e nahi. Hamare purbaz kabhi bandar nahi the
@@arijitadhikari8074 bhai mor sab kus krta h tabi bache paida hote hain uske anshu peene se kus nhi hota, us chief ne dekha nhi hoga na krte hamne to dekha hai krte fr kaise Maan le
🙏☪️✝️🕉️🙏 Dear Vimoh sir, I listened to your video carefully, (1) The person with whom you are arguing is unaware (2) You are aware (3) The universe has expanded (4) Science has proved that it has become automatic (Thank you) Jai Chandwani 👏🙏
Many believers have problems accepting that the universe began eventually and by random chance. But they ignore the fact that the same eventuality caused the reality of the observer. That is why we think the universe is special, and it is not random. But we as the observers are also part of the same random settings that eventually got configured. Since we are part of these random settings, it looks all special to us and we don't believe that it could have come into existence by chance.
16:04 Cheezon k khud prakat hone ka ek example m keh skta hu may be ho but uski koi scientific explanation bhi hogi ho mujhe pta nai h but example ye h ki puraane Jo ghr hote hn villages m ya kahi jinme cement ki jgh bricks k beech Gaara(geeli mitti ka lep ek trh se) lga hota h agr unn ghron ko saalon tk khaali chhod Diya jaae aur koi unki dekhbhaal na kare to unn bricks k beech se kyi saare plants ugne lgte hn toh agr science use explain na kre to kya iska mtlb ye hoga ki God ne aakr vha vo plant lga Diya?...may be this is helpful or may be not😂
although I find myself not agreeing with either ahmed or vimoh, I would say ahmed presented his points with greater patience and coherence vimoh appeared agitated irate and was frequently talking over ahmed, which detracted from the quality of debate…
He spoke well, but he forgot to use his brain. Even if it were proven that everything in the universe needs a creator, it only proves that everything in the universe needs a creator, not necessarily that the universe itself needs a creator.
@@Hexa_radiate ahmed’s arguments may not have been flawless, but he communicated them with more patience while in my opinion vimoh’s approach resembled that of a stern teacher, rather than a curious student open to understanding different perspectives
@@oopsifiedI agree with you, he should improve the way to communicate and the way of doing debate....and he should also bring someone who has well knowledge of the topic not randomly anyone.
@@oopsified Once again, watch the debate. Vimoh reiterated many times that even if everything requires a creator, it doesn't apply to the Big Bang. We have limited data for the universe but none for the Big Bang, so suggesting they can be compared is simply foolish. Ahmed ignored this crucial point. Vimoh remained calm at the beginning, but he became frustrated when Ahmed continued to ignore his arguments
Vimoh pls inki bat ko pura sun lia karo . Ni to tum bhi whi kar rhe h jo wo jahil Maulana wajidi or kesar Raza beth kar krte h bina sune bas bat kat te rehte h ya fir mute kr dete h . Or isilye yehi chiz sabit karti h ki wo jhute h . But please Hume ye chiz nahi karni h . We are better than them I hope u got it
Once upon a time, I had mixed salt and sugar in water. Now salt is claiming water is salty, and sugar is claiming water is sweet. They both can't test the water because water has no test. Yes, they can dissolve in it, and this is what they can do.
Ahmed ka logic - muhe koi esi cheez batao jo ese hi vajood me aa jaati hai My question to Ahmed - agar koi cheez apne aap vajood me nhi aa jaati to god apne aap kese aa gaya god ko kisne banaya ??
if this guy had to prove that time is constant when time dilation was not yet discovered, he would have said that "show me any place in the whole universe where time is not constant, no right? then how could you say that time can be variable also?"
I so want to be a mediator in this conversation. Both the parties are talking on different tangents and being angry at each other. Ahmed can learn but one has to be patient, and have fool-proof communication.
It's so fun to see people like this being cornered over and over again. He tried so hard to push atleast one nonsensical assumption on you, but you didn't budge an inch. Incredibly satisfying.
King Dolomon in Bible Ecclesiates Chapter 8 verse 17 days तब मैं ने परमेश्वर का सारा काम देखा जो सूर्य के नीचे किया जाता है, उसकी थाह मनुष्य नहीं पा सकता। चाहे मनुष्य उसकी खोज में कितना भी परिश्रम करे, तौभी उसको न जान पाएगा; और यद्यिप बुद्धिमान कहे भी कि मैं उसे समझूंगा, तौभी वह उसे न पा सकेगा
Everything has a creator. Our parents are our creator. So universe has a creator. All human beings, animals, plants and non living beings have also creator. Computer, television, ac, automobiles and everything has creator. So universe has creator. We call the creator as God. Without creator there will be nothing.
Example: The Hook and the chain hanging on it . The Hook doesn't hang on another Hook , it is just there hanging the chains are one which is supported by the other chain.
Absolute headache! Can't reason with someone who doesn't want to learn. Bhai Vimoh aapki patience 😮.
It's difficult to argue or debate with believers, be it Hindu, Muslim or Xtian !
By saying "God ne mujhko bataya", Ahmad will end up getting a Fatwa Issued against him by the Scholars of his Religion💀
New Islamic prophet "Ahmed" who is greater than* mohammad 🤣
hahahaha…he is in delusion of grandiosity/ reference
It proves that this guy (Ahmad) is the latest messenger after God, cuz god of this religion talks only with messengers...
@@zazaid3462 😂😂 funniest reply in the video
Praise be upon Ahmed
"if you talk to God, u r religious, if God talks to you, u r psychotic"
@@paragagrawal6109 🔥💗💕🔥💗💕
@@paragagrawal6109 line from Dr House MD
people literally have no idea how probabilities work
He does , he's just deluded completely and can't see out of the box he's trapped inside
@@scoobyaura-fr6dm can you?
@@jostnamane3951 yup I did get out of the box I was almost trapped in by religious people
@@scoobyaura-fr6dm I don't think he does.
For probabilities to work, they first needs to be created. How dumb you are.
Last तक सुनने में दिमाग खुल गया,तर्क आपके पास बड़े मजबूत हे vimoh
"बिना क्रीऐटर के चीज नहीं हो सकती" इस लॉजिक का जवाव ओशो ने दिया था। उनके हिसाब से अगर खुदा बिना किसी क्रीऐटर के हो सकता है तो कोई और भी चीज हो सकती है और धार्मिक लोगों का कहना हैं कि खुदा को किसी ने नहीं बनाया सो अगर वो बिना किसी के बनाए आ सकती है तो और भी कुछ बिना किसी के बनाए आ सकती है
Bro 🫡
Bro 🫡
God A creates God B create God C... infinite 😂
तो कौनसी चिज़ है जो बिना क्रिएटर की बनी है ?
@@Nameless_619😂
Gudgudiya exists he and flying spaghetti monster used to hangout
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As the flying spaghetti monster, I confirm that Gudgudiya is mah bruvvvv 🤜🏻🤛🏻
Actually Gudgudiya is the real god...aaj mere sapne mai Gudgudiya aaye the...saab Gudgudiya pe imann lao🤲🏼
Fake gods hai sab. Meri kitaab padho. Shree Chuikku is sansaar ke eklote bhagwaan hai
@@No-I-dont-want-that nhi tumhari himmat kase hui fsm ko question karne ki
Ahmad has 3 missed calls from God😂
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I know that there is one god living on Mars because I created that god!
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786 Missed Call
He is just so annoying. He just don't know anything but he is claiming that he knows everything. As per me we know nothing but we want to explore and know the truth behind the reason for our existence and science help for that.
God had said him everything
He is brainwashed
Avg ☪️
He is just beating around the bush. He is attempting to confuse rather than convince.
Poor Ahmad learned this sh.t from Yasir Wajidi, the new Joker Nayak of Momins
Yeah after that bogus analogy of claiming a random house 😂
House analogy doesn't even makes sense. An atheist isn't gonna invading his house and asking him to show the deed.
Ahmed is occupying a random land and shoving the claim on other's face that that is his property but is shy to actually show any proof when asked.
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If you were truly an atheist, you wouldn't harbor animosity toward any religion. The essence of atheism lies in the absence of belief in any deity, thus there is no basis for either loving or hating religions. Your characterization of atheists as believers in false gods is unfounded and misrepresents atheistic beliefs. It is important to recognize that individuals' beliefs, or lack thereof, do not inherently correlate with danger; rather, it is actions based on any belief system that determines potential harm.
@@SyedIkramuddin I don't harbour any animosity towards religions or religious people, but I have zero tolerance for arrogant idiots who want others to accept some unproved claims as ultimate truth..
Religion was invented when the first con man met the first fool. - Mark Twain
His argument is "God ne mujhe bataya" LOL. He doesn't seem to understand the meaning of belief, randomness, knowledge, let alone probability and logic.
that,s the same energy between me and my abba on some religiuos conversations like, "Allah ke bina bole ek ptta bhi nhi hilta" my argument to my father is : - "To kya Jo gair Muslim bchhe paida hote hai gair religion me , wo bhi Allah ke Mrzi se huaa??".......................Then I get to face the defencing+Angry behaviour from him...
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Actually jab log religion pe question puchne Lage toh religion exist hi nahi karega.
All Religions are scams. Dealing with People of Faith IS MOST PAINFUL
@@Sigmaalphab right
@AamirSohail-zo1oq prove it
@AamirSohail-zo1oq anything, if you have, otherwise don't just start randomly pointing out see the nature, animals, human beings.
We have enough data about how our planet came into being, so yes our planet itself is an example of something that doesn't have a Conscious creator.
Umm.. do we have it? I mean we know how old our planet is but not sure completely how it formed
@@scoobyaura-fr6dmi guess we're taking it on behalf of how planets from... Take a telescope you can see gravity is pulling space dust rolled up into the ball... we're not 100% sure, but we've got a certain amount of data, that yes, a planet is forming... Else possibilities ki jagah khayali pulao can say, an invisible, inviolable kumbhkaran exists who shit a rock called earth... And we have no way to prove it false, we don't even have any data that can even comprehend kumbhkaran... Let alone proving it true, we can't even prove it false.
@@scoobyaura-fr6dm we can even see today also how planets form in universe , what are you talking about
@@CricketMania668 Do you have exact data of how our earth formed?
@@scoobyaura-fr6dm yes we have, its all over universe
My "god" the amount of patience you have Vimoh! 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
@@tanvivij2702 U atheists can't even talk without God.🤣🤣
2:10 this is how you know his only purpose was to bring down some other religion and put his on top , its never about god its always about "their" god 😅😅 i mean i think sometimes if all religions become united and come at us atheists then we will have a difficult time but we know it wont happen because it defeat's the purpose of having a religion in the first place which his : superiority over other.
If all theists came together we will lose ask me how
@@scoobyaura-fr6dm How?
@@vikassaini7485 because they'll kill everyone of us to establish a world full of believers (we would be sinners for them) and then finally they'll end up clashing between each other's religious beliefs and start to kill each other until the only ones who'll be left will be atheists themselves
@@scoobyaura-fr6dmWe don't have to win, it's not a war. Athiesm is note cult.
@@No-I-dont-want-that I thought atheists were better but it seems like it is also a type of religion of supiriority
Hats off to most calm guy in this universe 😂😂😂
Amogh lila prabhu ji real id se aao😂😂
@@rISN_SHORTS gazab bhai 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@ravindranagre4288 bhai Mujhe khufiya स्तोत्र se Pata Chala tha😂
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@@rISN_SHORTS 😂😂😂😂😂😂
A dog can live without a God, but a man can't live without a God..🤣🤣🤣🤣
Wah 😂😂😂😂😂
@@RohitRaj-ve7lyHumans are weaker than Dogs.
@@RohitRaj-ve7lyHumans r weaker than Dogs.
More importantly God won't be able to live without man. Humans on the other hand have been living without God for ages
Many do live without god.
Classic case of changing goalposts when you corner them. When Vimoh tries to dissect and question Ahmed, Ahmed simply changes the whole premise.
Yeah 😂 instead of answering Vimoh’s question- he’s like yeah whatever here’s my counter question to you.
who created god? if everything has a creator
Stories & imagination 😂
This one question can destroy the base of all the believers. If the creator is assumed to have existed always, why can't the same logic be applied for the universe and the entire existence.
Human imagination created everything the big bang, the universe the GREAT GREAT SKY DADDY they all preach about
@@Raj-theRationalist So, you are saying universe is eternal
@@MuhammadAhmad-qe3lk I am not saying it is, but it could be.
Ahmad was so painful to hear man. he didnt even want to hear you
Shallow close minded madarasa products.
@@thepalebluedot4171 Atleast better than drinking cowcola🐄💦 while believing it as a holy water
Bacha hai abhi sahi ho jayega
@@md.shezan7856 not any better, just as worse
@@md.shezan7856 tum log camelcola pite ho, aur dusro ko cowcola pe bol rahe ho? 🤣
I'm a practicing Muslim and I don't claim Ahmed as one of us. MY GOODNESS! Some people have ZERO listening skills. They "hear" but don't "listen" or vice versa. He is so INSISTENT upon the existence of a God that he continuously loses track of the fact that the science that he claims is his foundation has NEVER confirmed the existence of any God. He's just playing a game of "GOTCHA". He isn't interested in a discussion. He only cares about "MERI BHAINS SABSE BADI"!
Fir aap hee aaa jaiye Vimoh say live discussion karne.
Or Islam kee ROSHNI say malamal kar dijiye Vimoh koo
@@preetamrawat4939I don’t think he needs to do that. It seems, he has the mental maturity to understand that it’s just his beliefs and he doesn’t have to prove to anyone anything about his belief. He also understands that none of his beliefs are really scientifically established or proved. And the only truth is that, we really don’t know what’s before time. So it’s just his beliefs, where he finds his solace in, but not a proven fact backed with any kind of evidence. And there is no problem in accepting that.
@@shahzaman365 Yep that's bullshit🚮
@@SupaHotFire776 I am an Atheist as well. But I don’t think we need to attack someone like this guy above. Someone who happens to understand his beliefs are not proven facts. And don’t really have any problem with that.
@@shahzaman365 I haven't seen a religious person who straight up says my religious beliefs aren't based on scientific evidence and I believe what I believe just because it was indoctrinated into my mind. If he/she had the mental capacity to understand that they wouldn't be following a religion in the first place.
Should also discuss the timeline, the billions of years since origin and when humans started discussing science and god.
This debate is a tight slap to those who say vimoh is biased to one community
You are teaching nursery level understanding people with research level things😂😂😂
3:16 yes it was random event. What is the issue with us acknowleding and accepting that things can happen randomly.
God of the Gaps.
Hmm
😅
Gudgudiya of the gaps
God of madrassa mentol...😂😂
Has a ring to it. Potential name for a video game 😆
Thiest people should not use Big Bang or evolution in their discussion.
Yes They Should not 😂😂
Same thought here
Mera ek aur question hai aapse:
Wo caller jab puch raha tha ki iss universe mei koi aisa substance batane jo khud se wajood me aa gaya, isse mujhe yeh samajh me aaya ki wo banda strongly believe karta hai ki iss universe me koi bhi chiz khud se nahi aa sakti.
Abhi uske logic ko counter karne ke liye aapne usse yeh kyu nahi pucha ki jiss God mei wo believe kar raha hai, uska wajood khud se kaise aagaya?
Yeh puchne se uska argument kaafi weak ho jata.
Wo eternal bol deta bhai. Main ye discussions pehle kar chuka hoon. I can anticipate hoe something is gonna go.
@@vimohlive I see
But agar wo God ko eternal bolta toh usko yeh bhi keh sakte the that our Universe can also be eternal, zaroori nahi isme God beech mei aaye. I mean iss chiz ki possibility ho sakti hai.
@@shreyyadav8809 it's simple, he'll just claim that since we know that Big Bang happened, God was responsible for it, thereby "proving" that he is eternal and the creator
So painful to constantly be shown that 99.99% of people do not even know the difference between belief and knowledge. They have never even thought about it. Aur aa jaate hai apne khud ke belief ko established fact samajh ke.
Knowledge is proved and beliefs are not
भगवान जहां भी हो ,, जैसा भी हो,,, लेकिन भगवान के नाम पर जो दुकानदारी चल रही है,,,इससे लगता है,,, भगवान ऐसा नही होगा,,
This guy was confused about claim and negation of a claim even after the stream had ended.
Thanx to madrassa curriculum..🙏🙏🙏
@@satkrapp7697 that's what your personal hatred speaking. He is due to the society which made him adamant to make every one believe what's written on a specific book is truth.
@@nilabhdash5461 you mean madrass society?..cuz I didn't let society dictate my life.
@@satkrapp7697 any religion based society.
@@satkrapp7697 well you might not know but one of the great writer in Hindi language Munshi Premchand was a madarsa student.
Mujhe woh news bite yaad aa gaya ki "Modi ji ne kya kiya?" and the other guy said "kya nhi kiya?"😂
same 🤣🤣
Atheism, Veganism, Non-violence ❤❤❤
Why Are Inserting Veganism if you like it it's good why you are trying to spreading it feels like MLM
Atheism, omnivorous and violent 💪💪💪💪
@@Annoxy lol veganism comes hand in hand with non-violence
@@rajatsoni4194 you didn't understand what I mean you *numb
@@Annoxy why are you getting triggered?
Is duniya me har ek cheez aisi h jisko kisi ne nahin banaya. Hum sirf alag alag objects ko arrange karte Hain apne upyog k anusar.
Bahut hi emotional argument thi..😂
जो कहते है की कोई भी चीज अपनेआप नही बन सकती है या अपनेआप प्रकट नही हो सकती है...वो लोग यह कहते हूऐ पाये जाते है की भगवान अपनेआप बन गया या प्रकट हो गया...😂😂😂
नहीं वो लोग ऐसा नहीं कहते की God अपने आप बन गया, हमारे हर ग्रंथ में लिखा है कि उस ईश्वर के बारे मे जानने की humans के बस के बाहर की बात है, बड़े बड़े ऋषि मुनि संत और देवता तक उस ईश्वर के बारे मे कुछ नहीं जानते, कैसे पैदा हुआ कैसे दिखता है आदि आदि
Ahmad ki flat earth gol kaise hui??? 7 din me univers kaise bna???
his argument is , koi chiz ek creator ke bina exist nahi kar sakti , but iska god bina creator ke exist kar sakta hai wo alag baat hai........
Point he bhai,😂 aur ek bat bhai, agar bhagwan ne sabko banaya hai to sab hindu peda hone chahiye the, aur agar allah ne sabko banaya to sab muslim peda hone chahiye the. Itni sidhi si bat kisiko samjh nhi aati, aur ye mera sirf opinion he iska data mere pass nhi he, ki chije apne aap peda ho sakti he chahe o universe hoya kuch bhi sab apne aap hota he creator ki jarurat nhi he, because of ham ese universe me rehte he jaha creator ki jarurat padti hai chije banne ke liye, ham ye predict nhi kar sakte baaki sab jagah esa hi hota ho
Agar god apne aap me exist kar sakta Bina creator ke to universe kiyu nhi 😅
Sabke apne apne Bhagwan 😂
@@universegamer1k8
mei bolta hu god ka creator kon hai mujhe malum hai
Insaan
@@kaustubhkadam1083lmao
Ahmad beta ye banda library main rehta hai .... God bhi inke pass se nikal jata ....😂
Arre yaar bohot simple hai; He is asking "Can anything in this universe come into existence on its own?"
Palat ke poochho, "Then how did your God come into existence? Who created him?" And then watch him go back on his own argument.
The theist’s answer to this is usually like, “But God is a being that is beyond the universe, hence it doesn’t require a creator and isn’t subject to the same laws of existence as things inside a universe.”
@@Vader4499If god can exist on his own then so can universe.. the best answer is we don't know.. and religious people never want to admit it
Basic 9/10th class probability is not comprehensible to many. I have seen a lot of samples like him.
अगर गॉड ने पूरा यूनिवर्स बनाया है, तो गॉड को किसने बनाया है 😮 ये उस से पूछो।
Also subatomic particles pop into existence from empty space in matter antimatter pairs and mutually annihilate.
जीव (चेतन/ज्ञानस्वरूप), काल और प्रकृति (जड़ तत्व), समान्य भाषा में सजीव और निर्जीव जानते हैं इसी तीनों का महायोग यह श्रृष्टि हैं।
यह तीनों सदा सदा से हैं इसे आप ईश्वर कहे या श्रृष्टि कहे या भगवान कहे या कुछ भी न कहे या इसे कुत्ता कहे या गधा कहे या इसे गाली दे या नास्तिक बने या आस्तिक बने यह सभी आप के बुद्धि पे निर्भर हैं।
If everything needed a creater who created god??
Basic question
@@sameerkachhap6208 Exactly Like A Hook which is hanging on the wall and there are chain hanging on it . The chain is the creation and the Hook is God.
"Who created the universe" comes with the presupposition that the universe was created. Which is why we need to ask, "How do you know it was created?" first.
Ahmad on his maksad 💀
*maqsad
ahmad ab apna maqsad pura karenga
*Holiday Background Music*
@@loop4569 💀💀
ये चर्चा सुन के दया आती है मुझे भारत देश पर और पता भी चला की क्यू भारत अभी भी पिछड़ा हुआ देश है l 😪😪😮💨😤
I think logic should be taught in schools as a separate subject.
Gudgudia supremacy 🙏🏼
Gudgudiya for the Prime Minister ☝☝
🤣😁
I was thinking about khayali pulao whole time
Finnally justice served 😂😂
Phele hi bolke bhagana chaiye tha
Lots of respect. I too once started my journey as an atheist. Atheist way of thinking provides great clarity of thought to look at the universe through materialistic lens. But as you progress further noticing the comnonalities and experiencing things beyond you unlock higher truths. Looking at the world through different lens is the way forward.
Nice argument Vimoh ❤
But I have 1 question:
In context of throwing a dice, we know there are 6 possible outcomes. But let say I want to talk specifically with respect to number 4. So, we can say we might get a 4 or we might not get a 4.
Now as you said in the video, getting a 4 is a "possibility" and not getting a 4 is not a "possibility". So, what is the correct terminology if I want to talk about not getting a 4?
The true dichotomy is x or not-x. But not-x is a whole category that may contain a lot. So saying not-x entails asking for more details.
If the question is finding the probability of getting a 4 and the possible outcomes are getting a 4 and not getting a 4; the probability of getting a 4 shall still be 1/6 and the probability of not getting a 4 shall be 5/6.
@@vimohlive I understand not-x is a whole category. But lets consider that someone says:
1) God might exist or might not exist.
2) There are 2 possibilities that God might exist or might not exist.
So, can we say that statement 1 is correct while statement 2 is incorrect?
@@shreyyadav8809 But those aren't the only two possibilities, right? Or at least there isn't enough information to conclude that those are the only two possibilities.
@@vimohlive Right, there isn't only two possibilities.
But in argument, we can say something like I mentioned in 1st statement above, right?
Ahmad if you are atheist now, please contact me dono bhai mil k atheist wala tablighi jamat nikalenge 😂😂
I am an ex muslim agnostic atheist 😁
Ahmed Big bang se pehle ka kya data hai aapke pass?
Meri zindagi bhar aisa gadha insaan nahi dekha, irony is that wo khudko smart samajhta hai 😂😂
'universe ke kissi hisse main powepuff girls rehti hain'
- lord ahmed
😂😂😂
9:58 Isse poocho ki humne adha kata hua apple table pe chorr dia … ab ab wahan becteria agye and vo apne aap kharab ho gya humare nazariye se …. Ab inse poocho ki kaise proove karega god ne kia ?? But science kar degi ki laise hua ..
This channel is becoming my fav because of the logical thinking Vimoh has.
found your channel , great work , will now watch many of your videos to learn reasoning & how to think about different topics , extremely excited
Mera sawal hai ki god nai duniya banayi kuo, agar insaano ke liye duniya banayi to phir baaki planets, black hole, nebulas, sun, inki kya jarurat thi. Infact, sirf 5% universe ko hi hum log observe kar sakte hai. To baaki duniya banayi hi kuo jab unhe human se hi interact karna tha
The right to say "God doesn't exist" belongs only to those who have the answer to every question
Same goes for the right to say "God exists"
@@loop4569 then tell how the universe formed, how it came into existence
Vimoh has many strengths, but I feel there’s room for improvement in his listening skills. Active listening could enhance the quality of the debates and allow for a more balanced dialogue.
I think there might be some network issue from Ahmed side and the voice might audible to him after few seconds because he takes time after vimoh stop then start to speak, at some points and othertime he was speaking in the middle of vimoh speaking. The Ahmed has given me arnab vibe 😂
@@gyansahu2894 true that lol..this debate sounded more like the godi media debates
TRUE
He has been doing this for a very long time and he knows when to listen and when to stop the callers. He cannot let the callers divert the narrative and purpose of this channel. It's rarest of rare case if some caller gives some new argument. This was a very frustrating conversation and if I put myself in vimoh's shoes, I would have been yelling at the caller like a lunatic. When you are holding a debate, you cannot let the other side take the whole stage. When someone comes for a discussion, Vimoh listens.
In this case, the person claiming that God exists has the burden of proof. If someone asserts the existence of something, they are responsible for providing evidence or arguments to support that claim. Your request for proof of non-existence doesn't shift the burden; it remains with the person making the positive claim.
"Can something be created on its own?" Ye koi scientific question hai hi nhi, ye ek philosophical question hai.
'Something' kuch bhi ho skta hai, matter ya energy ya force. Jo ki ek humanly perspective hai chizon ko dekhne ka.
Quantum Physics me atoms theoretically har chiz ban skte hn ( Apple ya Mermaids ya Powerpuff girls) bina kisi external interventions k.
(7:43)what other possibilities could be there? God or no God, right? What else?
Damn, these were the most uncomfortable 23 mins of my life!
He is literally confusing people
Puri universe to dur ki baat hai, hame apni prithbi k bare mai bhi bohot kuch nehi pata..
Right broo
exactly, even most of the oceans are unexplored
If humankind focus on the science and spirituality instead of religion.... then maybe we can understand truth of the universe...
I am all Rational. Believe in scientific approach and analysis. But I have this question about Reincarnation of Titu the famous Agra case. I am very curious how to put this in debate about some supernatural power. Really appreciate if you answer.
क्या बात है सर। आपको ही ढूंढ रहा था मैं। ❤
Proof उस चीज का होता है जो एक्सिस्ट करती है , जो है ही नही उसका प्रूफ कोई कैसे देगा क्योंकि वो चीज तो है ही नही
Kitna bedimag admi tha yaar saara dimag kha gya...love you Vimoh bhai aise murkho oo jhelne ke liye apko hats off ❤❤❤❤
Bro I wonder how vemoh has this much tolerance level that guy ahmed has no patience 😂😂😂
There is literally no conclusion to this conversation. But god not found yet
Sab ke sab god ke lawyers baney baithe hain wo bhi free main...
wah wah bahut badhiya
किसी को कुछ भी मालूम नहीं है फिर चाहे वो धर्म हो, विज्ञान हो, खोजी हो, चिंतक हो, अध्यात्म हो l अन्तिम और असल सच वो होगा जिसके बारे मे इंसानी दिमाग अभी सोचने मे असमर्थ है l
Banda pada likha to hai pr madarsa ki saya bhut hai ispr
Bhai sabko madarse se mat jod sirf 5 to 6% madarsa jaate hain aur koi nahi.
@@superr_heroes chalo acha hai jitne Kam Jaye utna acha hai
Bhai ek high court ke chief justice ne kaha tha moorni more ke ansu pike pregnent hota hai iss liye moore ko national bird kaha jata hai. Former mumbai police comissioner ne kaha tha evolution chhez ki koi cheez hai e nahi. Hamare purbaz kabhi bandar nahi the
@@arijitadhikari8074 Bhai kaisi baat kr rhe ho more ko kbi dekha nhi kya tune sex krte, anshu se bache nhi paida hote
@@arijitadhikari8074 bhai mor sab kus krta h tabi bache paida hote hain uske anshu peene se kus nhi hota, us chief ne dekha nhi hoga na krte hamne to dekha hai krte fr kaise Maan le
🙏☪️✝️🕉️🙏 Dear Vimoh sir, I listened to your video carefully, (1) The person with whom you are arguing is unaware (2) You are aware (3) The universe has expanded (4) Science has proved that it has become automatic (Thank you) Jai Chandwani 👏🙏
Madrasa scientist is more advanced than MIT graduate...🙏🙏🙏
Many believers have problems accepting that the universe began eventually and by random chance. But they ignore the fact that the same eventuality caused the reality of the observer. That is why we think the universe is special, and it is not random. But we as the observers are also part of the same random settings that eventually got configured. Since we are part of these random settings, it looks all special to us and we don't believe that it could have come into existence by chance.
@vimoh - Salute to your patience bro!
16:04 Cheezon k khud prakat hone ka ek example m keh skta hu may be ho but uski koi scientific explanation bhi hogi ho mujhe pta nai h but example ye h ki puraane Jo ghr hote hn villages m ya kahi jinme cement ki jgh bricks k beech Gaara(geeli mitti ka lep ek trh se) lga hota h agr unn ghron ko saalon tk khaali chhod Diya jaae aur koi unki dekhbhaal na kare to unn bricks k beech se kyi saare plants ugne lgte hn toh agr science use explain na kre to kya iska mtlb ye hoga ki God ne aakr vha vo plant lga Diya?...may be this is helpful or may be not😂
although I find myself not agreeing with either ahmed or vimoh, I would say ahmed presented his points with greater patience and coherence vimoh appeared agitated irate and was frequently talking over ahmed, which detracted from the quality of debate…
He spoke well, but he forgot to use his brain. Even if it were proven that everything in the universe needs a creator, it only proves that everything in the universe needs a creator, not necessarily that the universe itself needs a creator.
@@Hexa_radiate ahmed’s arguments may not have been flawless, but he communicated them with more patience while in my opinion vimoh’s approach resembled that of a stern teacher, rather than a curious student open to understanding different perspectives
@@oopsifiedI agree with you, he should improve the way to communicate and the way of doing debate....and he should also bring someone who has well knowledge of the topic not randomly anyone.
@@oopsified Once again, watch the debate. Vimoh reiterated many times that even if everything requires a creator, it doesn't apply to the Big Bang. We have limited data for the universe but none for the Big Bang, so suggesting they can be compared is simply foolish. Ahmed ignored this crucial point. Vimoh remained calm at the beginning, but he became frustrated when Ahmed continued to ignore his arguments
@@Hexa_radiate although we may believe his arguments to be correct, he seemed to lack an open mindset necessary for a constructive dialogue
जो बेलता है कि “ है” साबित तो उसी को करना होगा
जो बोलता है कि “ नही है “, नही होने को कोई साबित नही कर सकता
Kya करने से मानोगे kya साबित चाहिए
Maksad ka tune in the background....
Isko god ka asar bhi padega phir sakshat dikhai dega... Just give him some time... Time is certain... May god bless to all those who believe in
Vimoh pls inki bat ko pura sun lia karo . Ni to tum bhi whi kar rhe h jo wo jahil Maulana wajidi or kesar Raza beth kar krte h bina sune bas bat kat te rehte h ya fir mute kr dete h .
Or isilye yehi chiz sabit karti h ki wo jhute h .
But please Hume ye chiz nahi karni h .
We are better than them
I hope u got it
Once upon a time, I had mixed salt and sugar in water. Now salt is claiming water is salty, and sugar is claiming water is sweet. They both can't test the water because water has no test. Yes, they can dissolve in it, and this is what they can do.
Always a pleasure to watch a religious person getting humbled 😊
Ahmed ka logic - muhe koi esi cheez batao jo ese hi vajood me aa jaati hai
My question to Ahmed - agar koi cheez apne aap vajood me nhi aa jaati to god apne aap kese aa gaya god ko kisne banaya ??
if this guy had to prove that time is constant when time dilation was not yet discovered, he would have said that "show me any place in the whole universe where time is not constant, no right? then how could you say that time can be variable also?"
Amount of patience ahmad have❤❤❤ salute to u brother😮😮
I so want to be a mediator in this conversation. Both the parties are talking on different tangents and being angry at each other. Ahmed can learn but one has to be patient, and have fool-proof communication.
True, mujhe bhi ye lagta hai. Sab atheist ko logon ko samjhane ka kosis karna chaiye. 15:23
@@meghakd kya samjhna chahiye kuch bhi? jab koi data hi nahi hai kisi chiz ka to kese bol sakta koi ki ye chiz uske equal hai
@@Hexa_radiate are wohi bola ki wo samjhaana chaiye unko
@@meghakdjo samajhne ke layak hota hai woh samajh jaataa hai , jo nahi hota woh aaise rokar bp badhata hai
@@meghakd dekh to le stream 8 bar boli vimoh ne ek hi hi baat vo bus ignore mar ra tha kunki uska poora point ussi bat pe tika va tha .
It's so fun to see people like this being cornered over and over again. He tried so hard to push atleast one nonsensical assumption on you, but you didn't budge an inch. Incredibly satisfying.
ALLAH KO GRAVITY KA MALUM THA KYA ????
Qur'an me toh nhi,
Par mujhe kya lagta hai ki jo prophet ko jankari wahi Qur'an me chep dia. I mean jo prophet ko pta wahi allah ko pta tha
King Dolomon in Bible Ecclesiates Chapter 8 verse 17 days तब मैं ने परमेश्वर का सारा काम देखा जो सूर्य के नीचे किया जाता है, उसकी थाह मनुष्य नहीं पा सकता। चाहे मनुष्य उसकी खोज में कितना भी परिश्रम करे, तौभी उसको न जान पाएगा; और यद्यिप बुद्धिमान कहे भी कि मैं उसे समझूंगा, तौभी वह उसे न पा सकेगा
Everything has a creator. Our parents are our creator. So universe has a creator. All human beings, animals, plants and non living beings have also creator. Computer, television, ac, automobiles and everything has creator. So universe has creator. We call the creator as God. Without creator there will be nothing.
If everything has creator than who created god ??
Example: The Hook and the chain hanging on it . The Hook doesn't hang on another Hook , it is just there hanging the chains are one which is supported by the other chain.
That guy has got no chill. He couldn’t even listen to what vimoh bhai had to say.
😂