Top 5 Best Classic Porsche Bargains - Project Porsche Ep. 1
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Welcome to Project Porsche Episode 1. In the First Episode of Project Porsche Adan and Roman count down the Top 5 Best Classic Porsche Bargains you can buy today.
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I first fell in love with Porsches when I played Need For Speed: Porsche Unleashed on the PC when I was little. That 1999 911 Turbo is so beautiful!
Still one of the best games ever!
Great episode guys! I also really like your UA-cam channel, you guys have some of the best content I've seen online. I'm a huge Porsche fan and a Porsche driver. I love this Porsche project series. Awesome!! Thanks.
I really enjoyed that. My first car was a 914, which I bought from my dad. So when my son asked about a cool first car, it was hard to say no. Keep up the good work guys.
Love my 993. I use it as my daily driver (just passed 150k miles) and maintain it like an airplane. I was lucky enough to buy when the economy crashed and they could be found in the mid to low $20's. Now they seem like twice that for the most ragged out example.
Looking for a 996 for my wife now while the prices are low. I don't think they will ever be as expensive as the 993 simply because there were far fewer 993's made, but they definitely won't be this cheep for long. I see 996's regularly for under $15k 4S's even. That is A LOT of car for $15k.
the 924 is a beautiful car! Love that 70's feel
This guy sounds exactly like a male version of Jodie Foster, it's eerie!
The 928 is the car I fell in love with regarding porsche but I own a 987.1 now and I love it.
It looks like TFL's New Year resolution is to start reviewing decent cars. And it's about bloody time‼️😃
I came across this video when I was researching my 1st Porsche purchase. I was trying to decided between a 944, 986, or 996. I'm now a very proud owner of a 2000 Porsche Boxster (owned for 15 months already). It is an amazing car and love every minute I'm driving it. This video sealed the deal for me and I decided that the Boxster was the best value. Thanks so much for making this video. For anyone considering a 986, I give it 5 stars. Not necessary the quickest car, but the overall driving experience is amazing. Next car I'm looking at is the 986 or 987. Thanks again.
Love this, keep it coming. I'm in the market for a used Boxster. Very timely
Love the 914! my first ride in a Porsche was a 914... long ago.
Great show guys, slowly becoming a low-budget Motor Trend.
'Price per Horsepower' is a weird way to measure non US cars. These are cars that are made up of so much more than that figure.
I appreciate that old Boxster! That’s got to be the best value of any car. Driving pleasure per dollar is off the charts. I purchased a base model new in 2000 and a GTS model new in 2018. Reliability has been fantastic and the odds of an IMS bearing failure is of little to no concern to me. Depreciation is practically irrelevant when you own a car you never intend to sell. These cars simply making driving enjoyable every single time.
Always loved the 1984-87 911/930. Took a 924 to prom. Bought my first 911 a few years ago. Buying a Boxster for my 46th birthday. Love me a Porsche.
I saw Prosche 928 for the first time in 1982, it has been in my bucket list since...
Long time Porsche enthusiast here. I have owned numerous models. What I will say is this; like it or not, the Porsche 924 saved the marque. It was inexpensive, had a 50/50 weight, best balance, shifted better, wore tires evenly, handled great, best aerodynamics/ CD and was cheap to maintain due to VW/Audi parts. Because of the 924, the 944, 968 came to be. The Porsche 924 is the most underrated Porsche but the model that saved the marque. It's fault was it was the first front engine Porsche and under-powered.
Porsche was in trouble more than once. I have ties with the factory, in the mid 70's Porsche was looking to replace the 911, the 928 was stillborn and the 924 series than 944/Turbo/968 inevitably saved the marque, this is a fact. The 924 was the biggest seller in that era, whereas the Boxster played a role at a much later time.
JW
Yes Porsche was in trouble more than once...I remember when GM was trying to buy Porsche. My point is, the 924 carried the marque throughout the 70's/80's and later 944/968 line, the production of 335,884 units Porsche wouldn't have made it to the Boxster/Cayenne etc.
And because of the hatred towards the 924, I can afford one. They are cheaper than old golfs where I'm from.
@@EeziPZ I have just bought a 924s - fitted with the 944 8v engine. A lovely light, narrow and wieldy little car and perfect for the windy back roads we get in the UK.
Love this new series.
Dude i fell in love with Porsche after that movie too!
very good episode roman and guys...
Thank you Roman. I am thinking of selling my VW Tiguan that I use on my channel & bought a Porsche 911. I never work on a Porsche before but I do DIY work my two VWs. That's why I am watching your videos to get more information about Porsche 😀
Instantly subscribed
my favorite tfl episode ever
ive always had an indescribable affinity towards Porsche, some of which reasons are easy enough to explain while some are inexplicable, even with 2 e46 M3's I do day dream of a 996. It's just such an appealing car if loved!
Hey Adam, great information thanks. I am looking for a Boxster myself. All of them I have found are convertibles and I do not have a garage and live in the mountains of W.V. any advice on how I can keep it outside and it stay dry? Is it possible to find a hard top to go over the top? Are there any issues with the Boxsters leaking when the top is up?
I love 944s. I think they're awesome cars. I would love to own one some day. Also love the 928s
Great series.
Looking to possibly get a Boxster, what year would you recommend? 2003+ to get the clear headlines and less reliability issues?
That early 2000s 911 in the cover of the video is beautiful
This promises to be a great series. Roman, I hope that "black" 911 is yours!
I have a 1997 porsche boxter in red with a camel brown interior with a five speed manual. 64k miles
Awesome car to drive!!
we did have to change out the plastic window though it just fell cracked over time
good episode!
I got a question for you:
I'm thinking of buying a 2007 997 Targa 4s. what do i need to look for?
Great video, (bit too loud music) Cannot find the webiste from Rennstall-Usa...?
If I were in the US living anywhere near you, I would jump in and bought any one of your recomendations.
Really like this series! Would appreciate something similar for BMW too.
guys, this little series is a great idea. I am eager to see the next episodes. No mention of the cayman? hopefully the cayman will get covered as i am interested in one (06-12) Also eager to see the details of the IMS bearing and how to replace or cost to replace. That is something i have been wanting to find out since a 996 is also appealing to me.
I love my 3.6 996... With some suspension and exhaust mods it is very much a fun drivers car
I recently sold my '98 C2s for 3 times what I paid for it 4 years earlier. I honestly believe that the prices of air cooled Porsches are going to plummet in the near future. Though very desirable cars, they just aren't rare. You don't have to scour the world to find one. There are thousands and thousands air cooled 911's out there.
+NuclearGrizzly Hope that you are right. I want one badly but I am really disappointed by the prices :|
+NuclearGrizzly Hope that you are right. I want one badly but I am really disappointed by the prices :|
+NuclearGrizzly Hope that you are right. I want one badly but I am really disappointed by the prices :|
Watching on the 31st of December haha. Awesome video from TFL car!
+alexaescht You watched this 2 hours before me, but I'm watching this on 12-30-15 so I win, sucker!
+Bob Hope The joys of being in Australia - I'm actually from the future 😎
+alexaescht I have the joy of 400+HP RWD domestic V8's - I'm actually from the past.
+Bob Hope We have them too! Ford Falcon XR8, Holden Commodore SS and Calais, and the entire Holden Special Vehicles range. We're getting the Mustang next year too! Woo hoo! Pity the Aus cars listed above are all being killed in 2017 :(
+alexaescht Got YA! You're not from the future, everyone knows Australia won't have RWD domestic V8's in the future! You're talking about Australia's past....
When you say a patient person can get there hands on a 996 turbo for 30k, where do you suggest they look? Sites like autotrader/cargurus? Auction sites like BringaTrailer? Or is there some place else you like to visit? Thanks
cool video I own a 1984 944 great car I'm really thinking about a boxster later on look like a cool car
I own a 2001 Boxster S. It cost me $17,000 eight years ago. I love it still!
great info........love my 02 BoxsterS.
What years?
"Dollars per HP" without considering weight is just stupid. Throwing in a Cayenne, makes it even more stupid...
Completely agree! The Cayenne isn't even a car, just an ugly thing with a Porsche batch
The best advice I can give for buying a Porsche especially cheap ones is just have 2k extra for parts, and a mandatory engine drop (takes a day to do and if you have a lot work it is definitely worth it.
“What a cool car!” “I know!” 🤣
No argument with the 996 Turbo on the list, added one to my garage last weekend (The day after this video actually). It hits so many buttons and the value they represent is quite incredible.
Congrats! Enjoy in good health
I was not aware the early 911's got so expensive. Back in 1977 I can remember a particular 1967 911 with mechanical fuel injection in the shop (we painted it). What is this car going for today (assuming it stayed perfect like it was in 1977)
Porsche has been my dream car since I was born
Goal is to buy a pre-owned 911 this year! So excited!
I really don't understand how the 944 isn't on the list. ( not bias at all lol) But we're not talking about making a fortune off of a Porsche, we're talking about bargains. Yes a lot of 944's are not in the best shape. But they are extremely cheap and parts are extremely cheap and accessible. They are easiest DIY Porsche out there. The engine is in the front with plenty of accessibility and the transmission is in the back, giving it almost perfect weight distribution. Remember that in 84 the best handling car that could be bought in America was the 944. You're getting exactly have of a 928 engine in a light weight 2800lb body. Plus the prices are actually starting to creep up on them. Let's remember that a 944 was a better handling and more comfortable car than the 911 of those same years. Seating position is much more ergonomic and the shifter and clutch are the real deal. Yes I like the Boxster but I don't want to work on a mid-engine with those access areas. A cloth roof that cost 2k-3k to replace is not making the car a bargain. Your basically saying that the plastic window costs half the car. The #1 should be the Porsche 944 because it's so affordable and reliable that it can actually be your 2nd car. I'll bet that the 944 is probably the toughest Porsche ever made if we compare the average odometers against any other Porsche model. Just sayin!
Maybe because they talk about the best classic bargains. E. g. 914/4 is realy cheap for a mid engine car but the Boxer 6 version is the exact opposite.
I have some questions:
1. Would a 1997/1998 porsche boxster/S be the same as a 2004? And which would be better, a automatic or a manual?
2. Which is better, a 2003/2004 boxster or a 2009 one?
Thank you.
christian olan more or less, the newer ones have very slight changes (a glass instead of plastic window for example) and a little more hp. But they also an IMS bearing more prone to failure (not that you shouldnt change yours if it hasn’t been already). They all are great cars. DEFINITELY get a manual.
glad to see the 914!
Good show, I subscribed. Kinda hard to hear them dog the 928 but , whatever. I'm getting my hands on one and doing it over hopefully a nice GTS. Although my dream is a Targa, hopefully a GTS, lol.
Mojo522 they have targa gts I believe
great idea for a series , should be very interesting , I'm also looking for a cheap used porsche but with PDK (911,boxster,cayman) , what years have the least number of problems ?
Pdk is 09 and up and those dfi motors are also bulletproof. But they're not cheap
+roy kwon hopefully they will drop more in price once the new turbo boxster and cayman models come out
Good stuff. Would love to see a whole episode on buying a used boxsteer
would be thrilled to see you spell boxster correctly.
What is the car behind you the black one
What year is that black model in the video?
A good list. One point worth emphasizing, if maintained in good condition all of these cars are going to sell for more 10 years from now. Some, a lot more. This is based on a long history. Porsche prices just start climbing after 15-20 years, period. Also a lot of the prices you throw out, yes they probably exist but for cars not in good condition. Of which there are a lot. Restoring a poor condition car is always more expensive than buying good condition. Always buy the best you can find and afford.
1st Cayman is the best value Porsche right now in my opinion. :D
MagicAyrtonforever
I was wondering about that. Also looks better than the boxster IMO
Roman kind of annoyed me on the truck reviews, but I think he really shines in this kind of video. You can tell he has passion for Porsche and it feels like this is more natural than the Truck reviews he'd give. So, more of stuff like this for Roman!
The value of 90s 928s has been on the rise and the 928 GTS have been selling for HUGE money (but that's a truly rare car). A 90s 928 might be a buy if the GTS continues to sell for $100K+. The Ferrari 308 was a high 20s-low30s car not that long ago either and now have doubled in value. I wouldn't be surprised if the values of some 928s gets pulled up. If a 914 can sell for $20K it won't be long before nice 928s start selling for a premium (hell might freeze over before 1980s models with Automatics become collectible).
Great idea for a new series. I always liked the 944 and 928. Same reason, that 928 in Risky Business did if for me. He says they have too many issues to be worth buying at this point. That make me wonder if they are a prime choice for a LS engine swap. I've seen a few 944s at shows with V8s. I know some would say that it destroys the balance that made it a great car in the first place, but the motor swap would make it reliable again and give it a whole new personality. You may lose some of the balance, but those LS motors especially if you find an aluminum block shouldn't be that bad.
+goatmonkey2112
Nothing wrong with a properly maintained 928. I bought one off a 928 experienced mechanic and drove it 2500 miles home.
The maintenance cost is elevated, but as long as you keep up with it you can run the shit out of them.
However, if you're not mechanically competent and can't do the maintenance yourself don't buy it.
@13:04 Scalpers obviously aren't too keen on a 1997 Boxter, that's a plus.
Another movie starring the Porsche 928, Bruce Dern and Ann Margaret: Middle Age Crazy. Exec BD swaps his Olds 98 Regency for the 928, hilarity ensues.
A difference in paint on a plastic bumper in comparison to sheet metal is not truly an indicator of an accident.
Go to any new car show room and look at cars and you'll find this often on brand new autos. The paint reacts differently to plastic than metal.This results in a slightly different appearance. It is common knowledge in the collision/insurance industry which I have been around for 25 years.
Also most anyone I know ALWAYS replaces decals when paint work is done on a panel. Especially on a car the caliber of a Porsche.
6:28
Wrong years listed for 964, you listed the years for the 3.2 Carrera. 964 was 89-94.
the 964 was produced from 89-94
These guys are correct
The 964 was build from 89 to 94. The 3,2 Carrera was the 911 from 84 to 89
What about the 968? Where would you place it in the List?
It's a car everybody misses when talking about Porsches, but they are the most evolved 944 which were good cars as you said, but even better.
This is why I got a 997 911 GTS, barely depreciates
Love the conversation but you are wrong about the years for the 964. My guess is with over 200 comments someone has already pointed that out but the first year for the 964 if I am not mistaken was 89 with the Carrera 4 launching first and then the Carrera 2 shortly afterwards most likely as a 90. The Turbo was in 91 & 92 as a 3.3 and then the ultimate 3.6 only in 94.
996 and pre 2009 997's bore score. A proper rebuild will set you back in the region of £8000. Plus issue of IMS and RMS. These things seemed to get over looked.
996 and 997 are my favourite
What about the 912e?
I have a Cayman GTS but everyone tells me I'm missing the rear engine experience. I'm thinking of buying a high mileage 997 or should I just save some more money and buy a 996? But I'm scared of the LMS RMS issue :( not really a good engineer. Feels like I'll just break the car after a bit
I have an 06 Cayman S. I wouldn't trade it for the world, IMS is a non-existent (
No way. Most enthusiasts agree that the mid-engine Cayman, especially the S and GTS trims, is the best balanced Porsche you can buy today. I love the 911 and definitely wouldn't mind owning a 991, but not before a 981/982 Cayman.
yea but every person kinda goes " oh hey wow u own a porsche! a 911 eh?" and i go "oh hey thanks, its not a 911 tho, its a cayman" and then they clearly dont even know what a cayman is but wanna be respectful so they go "ohh....yeahh... right, its very cool! a Cayenne, right ive heard of it" (and yes, ive had multiple ppl think im driving a cayenne lol)
ZDY Well, that's clearly not a 'car person' if they don't even know Porsche's only other sports car model. I would be forced to ridicule that person relentlessly until they walked away in shame lol.
D LG sadly many ppl have more extreme opinions (especially the muscle car boys, and definitely not 911 owners, they respect all Porsches) that Cayman is a crap car, just a 911- Lite version with no power and trash.
but then I show them cayman GTS track records compared to their car's. That usually shuts them up.
Great stuff. For us younger less educated viewers maybe you could put up a diagram showing the porsche generations as im not sure wat a 944 or 924 or 997 stand for. Great video
+Blake Swan Have you heard of Goggle?
+Blake Swan Have you heard of Goggle?
Here I am buying a 924 tomorrow. Where I'm from, it's 1/4 the price of a 944. It is cheaper than an old golf. To me that's a bargain.
I guess you guys never got the 924S (the one with the 944 engine) or the 924 Turbo and 924 Carrera GT(S) over there?
924s aren't known for rusting. Rear sills maybe but same as the 944. Same age 911 would be far worse.
Where all the video on IMS changes, etc?
The management board of Porsche decided that the 924 would be the Volkswagen and the 944 would be the Porsche.
I love TFL but how do you do a series on Porsche and misspell "boxster" in the video? Boxter? Come on guys!
Is the Cayman not a better deal than a Boxster? The roof adds more stiffness to the chassis, it has more power, and the prices are crazy low.
Cayman is newer
Newer than the 986, but not the 987. The 987s can be found around the prices they're talking.
my dream porsche became unattainable, I will have to contempt with a poster of the 1973 911 Carrera RS
I could have bought a 928 that was in good condition for $800 a few weeks ago but it sold to quickly
Great video. You spelled Boxster wrong.
My brother bought a LHD 911S ('76 model), about a year or so ago for the princely sum of approx. $3.5K. Yes the engine 2.7 was dead, and it had a whole lot of other minor issues, untidy interior, leaking sunroof, and a rubbish paint job. But he bought a good 2nd hand engine for another $3K, a whole range of other interior parts and later on will strip and respray it. A bargain undoubtedly in the 911 bubble for sure.
As for 944, not all are rubbish and will get you "upside down" to use such weird terminology. A good condition, low km 944, Turbo or even S2 are still very much worth considering. Even a 968 could be a good option. Turbos and S2s are if anything by the market out here in Oz starting to increase in price. So if you want one, and can find a good one, I would suggest getting in now before they too become too expensive. Out here the only "bargains" are older model "Coxters" early 944s and 997s. Even the last of the air cooled "911"s have risen in price.
My brother is interested in a 944, they are between 5-10 grand in our area, what do you think? Tell me a bit more. Worth it on the budget?
+Krzysztof Blach It could be a fun toy if you can find a good example, but keep in mind they are old cars now. Most of them have been tinkered with and almost every one will have been fixed on the cheap by people who really didn't know what they were doing. As long as you understand going into it that the thing is going to break and you will lose money on it then it would be a fun toy to have.
+Krzysztof Blach They're great, and the handling is so good. Only issue is that it's an old car and things happens. If you send send it to the porsche mechanic it will be expensive. But if you can fix thing by yourselves, it will be an affordable and good sportscar.
+Krzysztof Blach I'll give your brother the same advice I gave someone else here in the comments section: Get a 924S instead. It has a 944 engine/driveline in a 924 body, making it lighter, more aerodynamic, and therefore quicker. What's more, you can typically get one for about 2 grand cheaper than a 944 in similar condition and with similar miles because people think it's dog-slow like the regular 924 so nobody wants one. So you can scoop one up for a song.
Like most people, I don't really consider the 924 to be a Porsche. It was cobbled together with various VW and Audi parts and was almost as reliable as a Yugo, especially after it had aged a few years. Even if you could get an acceptable amount of horsepower out of it, the suspension and brakes were still spindly parts bin units that were more suitable for a VW Rabbit. There is a reason you see them sitting in the edge of the woods beside ram-shackled mobile homes. The 944, on the other hand, was a great car in its day. I know a few people that still have them. Unfortunately most of them have not been properly maintained and buying one today means you are likely buying someone's money pit.
I agree the 924 was a piece of junk. What will really turn you off is the fact Porsche dealers charged you like it was a 911. Its a VW with assist from Audi.
Pay 30k for any turbo model and you'll pay it again in maintenance, don't worry
Oh dear - TFL doesn't know their Porsche 911 series. The 964 was produced from 1989 to 1994 - not 1984 to 1989. That would be the "Carerra 3.2" with the famous G50 gearbox.
You forgot to mention that the 996 Turbo is, in reality, 2/3rds of a 959, with a stiffer body shell. That alone makes it worth 3-to-4 times more than the asking price. This car is going to explode in value in the next 10 years. At least the equivalent of 100K today in 2026. Probably more than that.
+Chris Davies And you don't know your models either... ;-)
The 3.2 Carrera came with the 915 gearbox for 1984-86. The G50 was in the 1987-1989.
Porsche's first poor man's ride is the 914 for sure.
Guess the SC and 3.2 Carrera is not bargains anymore :-\
Nope, the only affordable classic 911 is the 996
+The Fast Lane Car Love your down-to-earth approach. looking forward to the remaining episodes. keep up the good work guys. CheeRS!
Why wasn't it on the list then? The turbo can't count for both, it has a different drivetrain and totally different market and price range.
$5k for a Porsche Boxster? Damn lucky, here in Australia they're usually $20k+
dont forget the classic 944 !
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I know this show is over a year old but....I have to disagree on the 944. Okay, an NA 944 has been a cheap "by your kid a real Porsche for little money and let them thrash it" But the 944 turbos are a screaming deal and I believe set to appreciate in the next few years. 1. Very easily modded to make crazy horsepower and if taken care of will last forever.. 3. 50 50 weight distribution, they handle very well.. Yes I own one and so maybe I am biased but as the rest of the Porsche line up goes through the roof these become more desirable by the day. Mine has the chip set and wastegate etc...it is putting out 300 to the wheels and is an absolute blast to drive. Find one that's been taken acre of it is a steal I gave 11K for mine with all the records since 1998 and it is pristine inside and out with just a couple of minor issues.
When Marshall from How I Met Your Mother grew up, he's gonna look like Roman.