Why feminism needs men - and men need feminism | Nikki van der Gaag | TEDxLSHTM
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- Опубліковано 8 лис 2015
- Why would a feminist want to talk about men? Because although feminism has changed the world, men still hold most of the power in the economy, in government, in religions, in the media and often in the family. While increasing numbers of men are questioning traditional views about what it means to be a man, feminist Nikki van der Gaag asks if there is a place for men in the feminist story and illustrates how men can become part of the solution.
Nikki has been working on women’s rights and gender in many countries in the world for the past 20 years. Since 2006 she has been the main author of most of Plan International’s State of the World’s Girls reports. She became increasingly interested in why so many programs only worked with girls rather than men, when the boys in the countries she visited for her research were often jumping up and down asking: why not me? Nikki was already aware of organisations like Sonke Gender Justice and Instituto Promundo and she wanted to write an engaging book that examined the issues around feminism and men and asked some key questions about why, when women and girls have changed so much, men and boys have not.
In 2014, Nikki wrote Feminism and men and has been speaking about the book's ideas at many event all over the world. She has also been working with both Sonke and Promundo to co-author State of the World’s Fathers (an idea she had in the swimming pool!) which they launched in 7 countries.
This talk was given at a TEDx event using the TED conference format but independently organized by a local community. Learn more at ted.com/tedx
Stop treating men like tools.
Melødrix UwU LOL DID U EVEN WATCH THE FING VIDEO
Melødrix UwU We DONT
@MGTOW Lithuania/Lietuva And Australia
FEMINISM IS ABOUT EMPOWERING WOMEN.
Gender equality is right here, there is a thing called law in every countury in the world and in most of them, women are equal as men.
Men that harrase women with no reason aren't men, they are pussies.
I appologize if there were any grammar mistakes, English is not my mother language.
Its a sort of truth
I wish women would stop womansplaining men.
Femsplaining*
+MIS315 Cuntsplaining
i just like the sound of it, it rolls off the tong and it has umfff!
Bitchsplaining
GUYS GUYS GUYS, we already have a term for it, it’s called NAGGING.
Her son is literally asking her why she doesn't care about him, and she's so oblivious she repeats this in public without noticing.
Lmao
😂
Exactly
That's really sad...
Ty for reminding me why I’m a misanthrope...
Wow! She completely ignored her sons question! He's right, she doesn't care! Her son is learning at a very young age about male disposability!
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Broooo women think they know so much but as men we all know she misunderstood what he was saying
Technically she never told us what her answer to his question was but she said what she was thinking as a responce when he asked what where he comes in with all the Feminism stuff. This might help 0:40
@@viiichi that's not funny. It's sad. I had to learn things in my 20s knowing that in this modern era you are just a predator and just a scrape of a provider with no cared value in this propagated society. Love is compressed by monsters.
He definitely understood early that her mother doesn't care for him. At least he'll learn to be an independent man!
Men "need feminism" like a fish needs a bicycle.
+Mark Mullins It's a paraphrased version of a quote by an Australian feminist named Irina Dunn: "A woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle."
+Smithkakarot Men need feminism like a fish needs a hook.
+HoneyBadgerRadio
Good one. I like that response.
+Smithkakarot
Men "need feminism" like a husband needs arsenic.
More like men need feminism like a fish needs a fish hook
"Mom, do you care about me?" "Well, let me try and think about what utility you have towards women as a boy."
This woman is a monster.
Bit harsh to call her a monster. Her heart's in the right place.
Absolutely agree
@@deyanstroughair5256i get what you are saying but ideology messes up with the brain.
She is more like a manifestation of the ideology or a possesion by it, it's like a relogion only more unidimentional.
@@deyanstroughair5256 harsh. That is lightly calling her. To say that to your own child...
She's a monster
We need feminists on the battlefront in WW3.
Yes send them all including Twitter people, 14 year white girls and damn race card idiots. All useless people to war yes please.
Agreed
They can't fight bro they just can cry in the back of men and trying to get don't know what they have more rights than men
@@starter9874 xd true
Like in Ukraine, when all they left immediately when push comes to shove
Her son meant why don’t you care about me, yet she somehow interpreted it as what man have to do with feminism. She’s so caring about only woman that she forget to love her own son. It’s sad when you think about it.
You did notice that spoke of her "partner" and not her husband. The boy has no dad in his life. He's already compromised.
Bridgefin dang that’s even more sad
@@bridgefin poor kid.
Good riddance. My bien, twice the prides triple the falls.
You're actually wrong because feminism literally is not only about women. Feminism is about striving for gender equality across the board, and tackling ALL issues of gender INequality, against both men and women. This lady did, however, seem to only focus on matters pertaining to women - however, that's probably because overall women are vastly more underprivileged than men. And if you disagree or don't believe this latter point, just do the research and it will become depressingly clear. 'Invisible Women' is a great book on this. Please research the issue.
Haha. She can't stop talking down about men. Her poor son is gonna be screwed up in the head. She can only blame herself.
gerald foster she isn't talking down about men
Pyro G Lol I think your profile picture says it all
Save that child
his mum probably tells him everyday that he should cut it
and become a female, FORCEFULLY
I just hope that he is ok
gerald foster Watch her son be one of suicide statistics of men when he asked for your help by saying what about me and you dismissed it. implying he needs to man up. Then she might cry and wonder what went wrong
Get that poor boy away from her.
+Palace Of Wisdom Yeah. Sanity of UA-cam can ill-afford another Steve Shives.
+Palace Of Wisdom Can this be considered child abuse? I think it should be.
+Ridnarhtim I certainly consider it abuse for a boy to effectively have his mother tell him she doesn't care about him, and her remarks made it clear she now intends to conscript him into some version of He For She. Depending on how successfully she destroys his sense of self worth, he will either become a miserable mangina or a MGTOW, possibly one then the other.
+Ridnarhtim It is child abuse. Absolutely.
Exactly. Did you notice the Freudian back hand? Standing next to the bananas and belittling her son. I'll bet every banana rotted with shame.
My daughter once asked me "why do you care about men so much" and I instantly thought hmmm how can my daughter benefit men? I started traveling the world visiting men and boys while talking to women about how they can be part of the solution instead of the problem! All they have to do is devote all their life to men's problems while neglecting their own because as we all know they dont have problems they have the opposite of problems so it shouldn't be a big deal they're just naturally bad people
Dude, you really silenced Nikki 😂😂
jokes aside, do you really have a daughter?
👏 Outstanding sarcasm. You deserve an Oscar
I’m going to be honest, I was going to hate on you until I saw the replies. It’s hard to act sarcastic in text tbh
@@demise6017 lmao
u r right
@@demise6017 yep
Son: "Mom, I'm starving, please feed me."
Nikki Gaag: "...And so I went around the world and gave food to discriminated women."
Public: "But what about your son?"
Nikki Gaag: "What son?"
This women used her sons emotions to benefit women instead of being a parent and empathyzing with him. Thats just sick. Be a parent first not a feminist.
We'll being a parent also means showing the kid your actually there and not there. I would rather have my parents just be in my life then anything else and i don't mind if they just said hi and leave either. Because kids only damage is when their parents don't see them every day thus changing their life around and thus having people hate that grown up child because of a lost parent connection.
She taught her son that men are bad what a terrible person
The boy surely has toxic shame his early life
she chose femmeism first over her own son
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When your kid asked you "what about me? he didn't mean " what can I do?" he meant " WHY DON'T YOU CARE ABOUT ME MOMMY? WHY I CAN'T HAVE MY MOMMY?"
I wonder what she thought he was trying to communicate when he couldn't even speak, but was just a wailing babe?
This really illustrates a theory I have which has not quite coalesced about how certain progressive "intellectuals" use a flurry of misconstrued misquoted and out of context data to create "facts" that have little to do with reality.
+ChandraSekhar F what I con't believe is that she is going so against so against the mother instinct that she wants to sacrifice the happiness and future ofher own offspring for her idiology, that is just inhuman.
Exactly
You are wasting your breath. Feminists are so deep into their hatred of men that they will never understand something as basic as the love between a mother and son.
@@onionpotato3396 And sexist are soo deep in their hatred against Women that they will never understand something as basic as love between Father and Daughter.
''you're part of the problem for not joining''
''you're also not allowed to join''
She literally said it...: "Men won't change unless they see they'll also benefit"
Well, so I'm still waiting to see some of those benefits she *definitely* had in mind. Men won't fight for feminists when you see how hostile feminists are towards men... men will find women who appreciate men for what they are... and both of them will be happy and won't care anymore.
feminists are only hostile towards close minded men. if you’d rlly care about equality and justice, feminists wouldn’t be hostile towards you. you’re the problem
@@tee50252 "feminists are only hostile towards close minded men"
That's true... the problem is what's mine, yours and theirs definition of close/open-minded person...
According to me, you're open-minded IF you're willing and able to start the conversation and/or start listening to their opinions with a clear mind and keep your posture even when they start with absolute dogsh*t stuff... whether you proceed to agree or disagree with them has little-to-nothing to do with being open/close-minded, that just your own preference or opinion
According to them, you either agree with them and support them at all times = you're "open-minded and good" or you're against them and thus, you're "close-minded toxic, sexist man" etc.
Sure, not all feminists are like that but A LOT of modern, especially western, feminists at least partially follow that logic... and the funny thing is that modern feminists are toxic not only to men, but also other women who happened to disagree with them so...
The problem is definitely not on my side unless you agree with their logic...
Edit: I'm for TRUE equality = equality of opportunity, NOT equality of outcome... unfortunately, that's not enough for feminists, they want both at the same time as long as they benefit from them (if there would be situation where men could benefit from that, then there's a need for exception) and that's not possible unless you make rules that will give women game-breaking advantages and benefits = NOT equality
and IF we gonna go the "TRUE equality" route... feminists would lose their mind... they don't want equality... they wanna keep all the benefits and advantages they have from old days and then also get all the benefits and advantages of a modern day... that's not how it works...
AND another problem is that feminists don't wanna work on 150 % and truly push themselves up to "become equal", no, that's too much work, they rather gonna complain and whine until rules that drag men down are put in place so they can start complaining about next thing... again, that's not how it gonna work...
@@mrcrabowski i agree with your description of open-close minded people. However, the “toxic feminists” aren’t toxic BECAUSE they’re feminists, that’s their character and they happen to also be feminists. i really hope you understand that we’re not hostile towards every men and i personally fight for men AND women. But when men don’t listen to us and do not want to understand our side, that’s when hostility is necessary.
@@tee50252 I understand that not all feminists are toxic but a lot of toxic women (and toxic, bitter men) become feminists = a lot of modern feminists are toxic = whole group is perceived as toxic because, as it usually works, the most vocal group, whether they want it or not, defines the rest of the group for observers.
"But when men don’t listen to us and do not want to understand our side, that’s when hostility is necessary."
I disagree with that... they probably don't listen to you or want to understand you for some reason... maybe they're insecure, maybe they feel they needed to "fight for the meat" and they expect others to do the same, maybe they were hurt by woman/en and are in defensive position already, maybe they look at "equality" from different perspective and what you say don't make any sense to them and many more examples... and by becoming toxic to "push them where you want them to be" or "to convince/coerce them", you just make it even worse and less and less normal, smart people will join your side while more and more toxic people start joining your side = it will eventually snowball into absolute sh*tfest and nobody will take feminism seriously anymore = people who are mocking even traditional feminism starts to be the "cool guys" in their ranks = overall bad
Idk about you but I'd just move on, skip all those who don't care and/or are not willing to listen, try to stay positive and "target" those who you can talk to openly and express what you *would ideally want* - that's another point, if you proceed to say something along the lines "I demand", "I expect", "I need", then that's automatically a minus point, if you'd say something like "I'd like", "I'd wish", "we could try", then it sound much less threatening to an average man and there's significantly smaller chance of him not falling into his defensive position where he won't give you much space to express what you want... and sure, he may still disagree with you but at least they gave you an honest chance.
In my opinion, it should be as natural progression as possible, not pushing something by force, it basically never works...
@@mrcrabowski im not saying im pushing everyone to agree with me or be on my side. The one’s who think feminism isn’t “for them” can do whatever they want. Im just asking for men to not bash feminists and understand both sides.
Wait a minute, I just watched the entire thing. She never once established how men need feminism...except by giving a weak anecdote of a Dominican man telling her "gender equality makes me happy", which frankly couldn't have less to do with feminism
+MIS315 Yeah, but the idea of this video was that she hates all men, including her own son. That's the purpose of her presentation.
@@florin604 as the late great Rush Limbaugh said way back when feminism is a mental disease.
Thanks now I don't have to
Give a 5 year old a stack of money and then see if he's willing to take care of you when you're seriously ill or hurt. The gender role of a man is what she used as an example. Many kids and people in general would fight for and take care of a mother who is there for them but and same thing would go for a father if that father did what she did. As it turns out most fathers don't typically have that role there for are not there for there kids other than providing money. The term for a mother's job is nurturer. The current a term for a fathers job is often called "Child Support".
I'm gladly standing on the sidelines watching these brainwashed women die alone.
That anecdote at the beginning says it all. Her son asks 'what about me' i.e. what about the rights of boys and men and it 'starts her thinking about men's role in feminism' i.e. what boys and men can do for women.
How bigoted can you get, to deliberately misconstrue what you're own son is saying?
It's not difficult to imagine why a 10 year-old would say that. This woman is obviously much more concerned about her daughter than her son and he is picking up on it.
She ought to be ashamed of herself. What a terrible mother.
The sad thing is he WASN'T asking about the rights of men and boys in the abstract (although you could definitely infer that as a symbolic meaning). All he was REALLY asking was "what about ME, as an individual? What about ME as your progeny? What about ME as your SON?"
+Paul Jackson Thank you for pointing this out. I was thinking the same thing.
She's So tunnel vision and arrogant to realise men also have issues towards the way society looks at them
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They’re usually narcissists. Avoid them at all costs. They’re toxic waste.
You can keep your feminism, i'll keep my freedom.
USA ! 🇺🇸 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
@@dcgurer8353 YEAH MERICA 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Facts
Well said
"Mom, do you care about me? You always talk about women's rights but i never hear you talking about my rights."
"I hear you son, i will make sure that more men fight for womens rights!"
😂😂😂😂
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Hahaha
😂😂😂😂😂😂
We can't all make a living off of being professional victims, can we ?
I wish we could
Substitute same for equal and feminism looses its bra burning appeal. Suddenly the boot is gone from the neck and your confronted with a choice as mundane as which sweater to wear. Doesn't exactly inspire a protest sign does it?
@@arkjustdoit890 would you like to help me to pump egalitarianism on tiktok? people must know
Nope, smebody needs to work and be the provider for others to continue being professional victims with privileges superiors to royalty; according to History.
No we cannot, unless evolution and game theory stops working. With everything I know of some basic laws of biology & nature that apply, nevertheless with or without minor exceptions, once it takes control and burns the victim card to ashes or destroys the population, there will be no trace of feminism or wokism for a millenia or two (if we somehow magically survive as this species) and regain the "tech hubris" & industrial prowess (mis-prowess) to grow our population big enough for feminism & wokism to rise up again signalling a collapse again.
Dear TEDx, please stop hosting women like this, if only makes people take TEDx less seriously and ruins your credibility. You are harming the TED talks by association.
TedX has been a heap of bullshit from the start. It was all about giving losers a platform to tout their social justice crap.
No, more please. We need a window into this insane asylum.
*****
I know they do, but man TED needs to some how find a way to legally stop TEDx, at least make them change the name.
+Argentarii Homini It's not TedX that's focusing on it.TedX is just a paid platform.It's like paying for time on public television.They don't organize or set anything or allow anything,you're just paying for the name and the space.That's why it's so full of woo-woo-types.Because literally anyone who pays can get a platform to speak.
The Word Feminism is so toxic it makes Men run as fast as possible...well done
Let me just say, as a man, I most definitely do NOT need anything even close to feminism in my life or vicinity.
You are scared of equality
@@annikasengupta9085 yeah feminists version of "equality" actual equality, no not scared at all😂
@@annikasengupta9085 equality? Go to the front lines and pay child support and then we can talk about "equality".
@@masterlight2 true words👍
@@masterlight2 or better yet like gavin mcginnes said "start doing swere jobs"
Men don't need Feminism, But Feminism needs Men.
Women don't need men right, But men right needs women.
Actually we do. This whole Independent women game has made a lot of women lose moral values. Never has been getting into their pants been easier, if you provoke them enough they will also start paying for dates. We just have to be smart enough to twist thinggs to suit us.
@@adw6894 tf you mean
@@adw6894 actually,the only reason why feminism is here is becauss men were allowing it,in the past,there are only men in power (usa),so yeah,feminism NEEDS men,moreover,Men is NECESSARY for feminism,whether you like it or not,how does it feels like after being an independent human and yet you make yourself a part to a men-depended movement?
@@adw6894 Only simp men does
She has a son? Was the abortion clinic closed that day?
Кто этой особи зачал ребёнка 🤢🤢🤮🤮
Lol needs to be top comment
@@elephantdanceparty7917 😊
I am a man, and I don't need feminism. What are you gonna do?
Your son deserves a better mom
Why is it always the most privileged people who constantly act like they're engaging in some just struggle against oppression? This woman is white, clearly upper-middle class, clearly well-educated, and more than likely is loaded. I see it at university too; the members of feminist societies at red-brick unis like Oxford, Cambridge, Bristol, Edinburgh etc, where more privately-educated kids go, are way more radical and have much more of a victim complex than at former polytechnics where more working-class people attend.
Guilty conscience. They're punishing everyone else for the ways they and their connections behave.
You'll see it at protests and marches too, you'll have the absolute nutjobs and you'll have these rich kids and middle class people who are the most offended of all. My own theory (for middle upper class) is that their lives are so mundane and vapid, that they need a cause (almost a sense of purpose or something to live for), this is either done consciously or subconsciously but they develop almost a cult like attitude towards it whether its environmentalism, social justice, anti nuclear campaigning, socialism. If it makes them feel like they're "changing the world" that's their cause. Really their blind views usually snowball into the extremes over time and they literally become extremists over the years in whatever "Cause" they've dedicated their lives too. Students are abit different, usually it's the same vein of "changing the world" but not the same entry into it, the entry into extreme belief for students is ignorance, they simply don't know any better and if it sounds good they'll go with it (usually the majority grow out of it with experience/time and the extremist view is kept to a fringe minority)
That's just my take.
i dont think being white has any factor in this but i agree with the rest
Men, you need to raise your standards. Find someone who is as beautiful on the inside as on the outside. Don't settle for a woman who doesn't respect you or believes that "men are bad" or that men cause all of the problems in the world. Just move on to a woman who has more character and empathy.
Underrated comment!!!
Unicorns are mythical and do not exist.
@@dharmadasa66 At least, that’s what the graph says
All woman are like that. It's their nature. True, some are more empathic then others but in the end they all follow the same patterns. Learn to understand them and how to deal with it. In short: become alpha.
there seem to be very few
Men need to act like men, not act like doormat to your political propaganda
We need you to grow up and stop using us men as a walking bank
Thank you
Wow do I feel sorry for her son. His mother doesn't care about him, she is teaching him his only worth is in what he can do for women. He will probably grow up really resentful of women. Congrats, Nikki. You are actually raising a misogynist.
Well for generations, women have been taught their only worth is what they can do for men. Feels bad, doesn't it? Feminism is about fighting that for *everyone*, not just women.
@@drilonkennedy-gorne2049 Lies!! women were taught what is best for the family unit, not for men.
@@4evahodlingdoge226 interesting. You're equating full-grown men to children, for whom women have historically done everything from cook their dinner, wash their laundry and bolstered their confidence.
@@drilonkennedy-gorne2049 They've done that because historically men went to work in order to pay the bills hence the job of women were to take care of the home and nurture the children. You act as if wives in the 1900's were slaves to men.
@@drilonkennedy-gorne2049 the scientific inventions and technology.
The buildings ,roads are made by men.
You are typing your opinion on a device invented by men.
"what about me mom?"
"you can go be a tool for my ideology"
i can´t imagine what he goes through to have to ask this question.
she should be ashamed as a mother, MY mom would NEVER be so heartless
That's not what she told me last night.
Hopefully, he’s abandoned any and all interaction with her
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As soon as she dropped the bogus "1 in 3 women are abused by their partner" claim, I stopped watching this tripe. That lie has been disproven time and time again. Find another fallacy to complain about, Nikki!
Woman: I want to buy this $500 purse. Man: I think you shouldn't really do that. Woman: He abused me!
Same thing with the gender pay gap. That is BS. No gender pay gap, they are paid the same. Men make more because men do lot more hours than women do and do more dangerous and high skilled jobs. I been in the workforce for some time and women use far more time off than men do. See it all the time.
@@mathisnotforthefaintofheart Yeah in general when that happens, the man goes to prison and the woman gets all the money and all the credit! Ignorance is deadly and destructive!! Fortunately there are many men and women who actually do respect each other and that type of BS doesn't exist among them in their families in relationships, thank god for the fact that there are many people waking up!
And the pay gap.......
For all the boys and girls who disliked this video,
Here, you dropped this 👑
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@John_Smith
And you may conduct yourself to the corner, where you'll find a stool to sit on and a cone shaped hat to wear.
Thanks Mate.
Thank you.
UA-cam be like: nO
Actually couldn't believe her reaction to what her son said to her at the start, but i guess it makes sense to react to that in that way if your world is shaped by your blind ideology. Such a shame and genuinely scary.
Patriarchy followers kills women and even their daughters for asking equality or questing men superiority
@@Aditi-mb3qm us men don't even have superiority anymore...
@@Aditi-mb3qm grow up and stop it with your "it's the patriarchy".
@TRUE SUPER PERFECT CELL SSJ4 I'm not talking about our capability to kill humanity.. I'm talking about our rights as man against woman alone
0:18
Not really. I find it strange when feminists do NOT talk about men. I find it strange and a pleasant change. Mostly it's "Men are rapists. Men are pigs. Men have fart privilege." and a ton of other insane feminist misandrist BS. Please tell me you're going to either NOT talk about men or at least not demonize them for your entire speech.
0:55
Not trying to read your sons mind but do you think he might have been asking "What about ME?" as in "Why not pay attention to me and get me a candy bar or a new toy truck?" or possibly "What about MY rights when I grow up?" and NOT "How can I help your ideology? Can I obsess about women's rights too?". I don't know. Shot in the dark.
1:18
Got exact stats on both how many women face violence from their partner and how many men face violence from their partner and if you want to do the 'usually a man' bit, a break down of the sexes of all partners on both sides of the violence? Do you have that?
And then you complain about lack of 'political representation' b/c, for some reason, a government just isn't good enough until women are forced to be in politics. Fuck their choices. Fuck the fact that most of the feminist women who make this 'point' (I'm betting you included) aren't running for office. Fuck all that. It's just not equality until the government is 50/50 and if women, with their quotas in place, then rise above that percent? Well, that's just MERITOCRACY! We can't argue with that, right? And when the government is COMPLETELY female (oh, and naturally, only feminist females who share your politics. Everyone else has internalized misogyny and are practically just men), what will your excuse be then?
1:32
Oh, Jesus Christ. You're a parrot. You're a living feminist tape recorder. Pay gap? Please.
1:50
Oh Christ. Here we go. You picked the 3rd option for what your son meant. Personally, I think he wanted a new toy. Maybe a hug. Maybe for mommy to care more about HIM and less about her insane fantasies of 1st world oppression of women. But no, you think he wants to be your little feminist soldier. Sigh...
Pakistan. South Africa where they need free clinics. Yeah, NOT the first world.
3:45
Pretty sure that when you say 'involve' you mean 'use'.
4:05
So you open up with "Male feminists, you have to know your place. STFU and let the women do the talking.". Yeah. Heard this before. You even use the word 'mansplaining'. Gotta tell ya', you're not making a good impression.
4:18
Brainwash the little kiddies. Got it. Get 'em while they're young. Okey dokey. Still not making a good impression. Let me guess, you're going to segue right into "teach the boys not to rape". Please prove me wrong. Please. Please. Pretty please.
4:50
Thank you for NOT saying you want to teach little boys to not rape. But now you're on housework. Right. Men go and bust their ass at their jobs, do most of that unpleasant DYING at work stuff and ... they have to come home and do housework. What will the women be doing?
4:59
There's also no country in the world where men outlive women. There are TWO where they live AS LONG as women.
5:08
I'm not really sure I trust a person like you to lead a revolution. You seem, well, insane. -Ideologically- Religiously compromised. Has feminism ever TRIED it's little utopia out in any real world setting (other than Sweden which seems to be dying of cultural ebola or something)? Maybe these countries you're toying with don't need YOUR approach to 'fixing things'.
6:22
So you want powerful men to do YOUR bidding. Has it occurred to you that this is exactly the mentality that keeps women from bothering to run for office? They don't HAVE to run for office if they can just manipulate MEN who are in office. In fact, this might very well put the lie to your entire 'patriarchy' (as if all the evidence against it and your total lack of proof hasn't already done this).
You want MEN to change more to benefit WOMEN? What, our lower life expectancy isn't lower enough for you? Maybe we should double the disparity? Triple? If none of us made it past 20, would that be OK with you? Or did you have some other change in mind? What, you want us to be more like women? Fine. Then women can step up and be more like men. What are YOU doing? Are you... mining? Working on a deep sea fishing rig? Hauling garbage? Fighting in a war? No. Your job right now is to give a talk. Wow. You're really stepping up to the hard work so that men can give it up and change diapers and do housework. Sorry. INDOOR housework. Who mows the lawn? Probably a dude. Who fixes the roof? Probably a dude. Who cuts the wood? Probably a dude. Who tunes the car? Probably a dude.
6:54
Yes. Men die earlier than women. Men ARE in touch with their emotions. They're just not crying all the time. We're not women. We're men. And yes, the courts also see to it that we're not in touch with our kids. Tender Years Doctrine anyone?
HeforShe, sexist as hell when it first came out. I do believe they've since changed the wording on their commitment but the focus is still on helping women, still painting women as the victims.
You're not on TED. You're on TED ... X.
You then go on to basically rehash Heforshe's original commitment wording which was for the least safe sex to do more to protect the most safe sex. You can give me all the anecdotes and cherry picked facts you want but the life expectancy data and YOUR OWN SPEECH tell a different story.
So, basically, you're another feminazi. I should point out that only HALF of that is 'nazi'. The other half is 'feminist' as in 'feminine' as in 'happy kittens and rainbows'. Just b/c you ACT like you're a harmless little female doesn't mean you ARE a harmless little female. The other half of you is straight up Nazi.
Also, to any feminists who've read this far, just b/c I think SHE is acting like a 'harmless little female' doesn't mean that I think of women as harmless or little. I think they're just as dangerous as men, easily. I do, however, think they tend to attack with smaller weapons or with proxy violence. The 'harmless little female' is just an act feminist women love to put on. One moment they want you to feel sorry for them. The next moment they're claiming to be just as X, Y and Z as any man. Well, we've met the men that feminist women are like. We fought them in WW2.
+zorro baggins That was beautiful, thank you for sharing.
***** Anytime. HoneyBadgerRadio has also just recently ripped her a new one. I'm watching it now.
zorro baggins - You make good points. I enjoyed reading this.
Thanks
And have a baguette 🥖
Nothing but facts and nothing but love for a guy who spits it.
The dislikes give me hope in this generation 🙏🏽
Why do you hate women
yes, maybe it will never be like it was, but at least there can be the sun
@@annikasengupta9085 Not all but many women so called feminists hate men and play double standards. I don't hate normal women, but I hate feminists to the core.
@Akash Mishra, MGTOW Wtf, you hate that woman don't submit yo you? How about we all would be equal?
@@acidFreak420 Yes but we all have double standards like men can't be s*uts but woman can etc
Yes I need feminism which broadly sweeps me as many negative things just because I'm a male.
ikr hahaha
Agree, in reality nobody needs feminism to live better, specially women.
I used to think like this because i didn’t understand how i was biased against women. it’s completely subconscious and it takes work to get away from it. look into feminism from a fresh set of eyes. it’s worth your time if you want to be a better person
@@coatoil8671 This is interesting because I arrived at this after coming from feminism.
@@coatoil8671 so you were once level headed an now your brainwashed congratulations 😂
'So my son was like, "Mom, why don't you pay more attention and care about me more?" and I was like, "Wtf? I always thought of my son as a potential rapist, but now I see he can also be a tool to push my agenda!" Then child services came, thank fucking god."
+Maniac742 qed :))))
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As a man I clearly dont need feminism (a movement that focuses on female problems and ignores male problems). What I need (or want) is egalitarianism.
Yes!!
wrong,what we need is traditional patriarchy
@@ManlyServant wtf? I hope that’s irony :b
@@ManlyServant I hope this is a joke....
@@godnyx117 nope
how was it possible from toxic masculinity to exist without toxic femininity? I would like to see women stand up to other women and say enough using men for their resources and enough with the overly emotional behavior.
you'll never see that..from any woman
Men were never toxic
@@mmr4882 well, you can't believe the amount of MISOGYNISTS there are in the comment section...
@@firstlegend5105 Ah. And what misogynistic comments are those exactly?
Dont be vague, be specific. Where are these misogynists? What did they say that was so bigoted?
@@daze77gaming Roma Army Mens Rights does that here on youtube.
I predict that the son is going to have serious problems with women after having such a toxic, hateful woman for a mother.
Not all women are toxic
@@annikasengupta9085 Yes not all women are like you
@@annikasengupta9085 but yoa are toxic
@@annikasengupta9085 it's too late this virus called feminism has affected all women and it's more dangerous than AIDS imo it's ruining a robust civilization we men built for women and children.
It's sad, this is one of the rare cases where it does matter a lot if your born as a male or female...
LOTS of money to be made in this victim narrative right Anita?
+Robert Jones pbs.twimg.com/media/CTTmC4aVEAAxGpj.jpg:large
no one needs man hating
Thea Moller Larsen clearly that’s what she’s saying... she’s a bad mother
@Thea Moller Larsen feminists are man haters
Thea Moller Larsen that is the definition of feminism so it is what she's saying
Just look at the stats between men and women.
Suicide 80% higher in men
Lifespan
Court decisions
Workplace deaths 97%
And the list goes on a long way...
But men take it all in stride because of one fact...
Men dont play victim like women do!
99% of all victims are women real or not
@@somerandomperson7488 you've swallowed the kool aid ....sad, so sad... borrowed from another man who doesn't think or learn...another man-baby
NEW TITLE
Why this video needs more dislikes
And why the dislikes need this video
Good title
lmao
It's interesting though, how come for me it shows that there aren't any dislikes on this video and only likes!? Am I missing something here or did they take down all of those dislikes?
@@Theonewhoneverlies478 Yeah they dont show it for ppl that dont have a channel.
"I am a feminst" - words that will NEVER come out of my mouth!
they'll never from mine either
amen brother
amen! men is the head of women!
same brother
@Bryn you need lay off from cookies based on your pfp
So basically men “need” to be harassed and assaulted by feminists is what she’s saying. Yeah, I don’t think that’s what we need.
Done. Everyone is eating this shit up. Feminism in todays society has gone to far. Time to take it into our own hands.
do women really not realize their "power" in a relationship? For example, men are "expected" to be "a gentleman" and take care of her and "not make a woman cry"? If it happens you went into a abusive relationship (in your own definition), why don't you just leave? I understand in some societies women are really powerless, but I am referring to this white middle class feminism activists. They are only interested in their own power!
P.s. Get that poor boy away from her!
They do and they don't. For some women they understand this completely and abuse it for others this is sooo normalized to them they can't realize it is a privilege's because they've never even thought of what its like to be treated like a man
MGTOW didn't come into existence for no reason at all...
As a 34 yold man I have never in my life so far sit down and say to myself ''I need feminism''. WTF she talks about?
@Tazzz • The truth is we don't need it.
Men need MGTOW, ASAP!
5:30 "the one point in a man's life where change is really possible"
No, men are a lot more than just fathers, and it's a man's choice whether to be a father (or at least it should be, even if he's married, and even if he had an orgasm one day).
Men change over our whole lives. I know this always shocks a feminist to learn, but men aren't actually just props and furniture. We're people.
Feminists fundamentally do not see men are people; they see us as brutish animals that require domestication.
@@throwaway5926 those are self-claimed feminists. Feminism is not about discriminating men. Its about human rights; having equal rights and equity between both genders
@@zieda5689 well since feminism has such a bad reputation because of the people in it, others think of feminism as bad which is fair so I reccomend calling yourself an egalitarian which really does mean equality
@@mcdream7701 cant deny. Its unfortunate though that we need all these labels bcz some people have no values
@@zieda5689 there is already a word for equality, and it's equality.
The woman holding a speech on the stage complain about men "mansplaining" while women being left out.
That's rich. LOL.
No one cries feminism during hard times
Me looking dislikes: I love democracy.
that was legit my exact reaction
Tell that now because freedom of speech on UA-cam is slowly shutting down
its been a year so now they censored dislikes so what was it when you saw it?
@@MrD8ath it's turning into twitter day by day
Sadly YT stopped counting the dislikes and removed them when the public voted against their preferred ideologies.
No, the younger generation are calling themselves feminists less and less. Look at the statistics. You couldn't be more wrong.
+Jeff D In the west, yes. I'm guessing more and more in developing countries, the movement is burgeoning.
+karen straughan wow I'm happy she is not my mother will be dammed if I'm in it your going to the world worst retirement home hell I'd pay them to treat her worse
+karen straughan I only hope that it's true equality
@@jakie4444 I'm glad I am not your child or else even worse would have happened to you.
@@Aditi-mb3qm wow comments from something years ago
Wow that's so cute. Teaching men how to change baby diapers and and other household work.
I'm sure women would love to learn how to change their own tires, re-roof a house, build railroads, oil drilling, pay child support and alimony. I love how this feminism thing is so open to equality.
women do need to learn some of those things and many men can't do all of them..My daughter's been paying alimony for years to an ex who works in construction and can hide his income and does...so here you go
Patricia: Fair point. However it is overwhelmingly men who pay alimony. I am sure that it is only because this affects you'r daughter that you are able to see how unfair these laws are regarding alimony. If you had a son, then you would certainly have no problem with him having to spend the rest of his days in indentured servitude to his ex due to an archaic medieval law.
Much like how this vile woman, is ideologically posessed to such a degree. That she oblivous to how she is being a bad parent, as she can only relate to her son through the prisim of her inane gender based world view. In which her son is demonised and dehumanised simply for being born. If feminism was about equal rights then i would be all for it.
However women have had equal rights for about 40 years, and i am not sure if feminism has ever been about equality. The actions of feminists and the content of the books they write differ greatly from that nice sounding dictionary definition they wrote for themselves. Communism also has a nice sounding dictionary definition, and like communism feminism is marxist poison.
Yes I would, I'd love to learn all that
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Doing that is considered supression nowadays...
ENOUGH WITH MOTHERS TREATING THEIR BOYS AS SUBHUMAN.
Favourite trick here. Using feminism and gender equality interchangably as if they mean the same thing.
It's almost like a group known for con-artistry and verbal sophistry came up with feminism (rubs hands).
Your title makes me dislike this right off the bat, women no longer are oppressed. Bull statistics women aren't in parliament because they don't put in the effort, and the pay gap is an avarage over all men and women which doesn't take talk about what they decided to do for a job. Engineers make more then nurses. And before you start on the stem job stuff no one is stopping women from going into them they are just choosing not to. Hell no, why do you have to just talk about the importance of women? Men are important too and feminism seems to just seem like men are stupid brutes that steal all the money and power. this is stupid. If feminism was really about gender equality they would address the sentencing gap (something that is real) and the bias in divorce courts. Their isn't a long way to go for women the things that need to be changed are small. if you are about equality then you would look at the biggest things for each gender but you don't. so you can just stop
Preach, brother!!! Every single thing you covered is accurate.
Preach brother.....alas, feminists have no time to dedicate to unfair divorce courts and sentencing gaps, as they have to conquer the epidemic of mansplaining and manspreading.
@@hellogoodbye4061 misogynist
It Is due to misogyny
@@annikasengupta9085 I'm man-spreading right now as I mansplain to you about my toxicity. Hope that cheeses you off!
"Not in touch with their children" how can she say that with a straight face? Does she have no self awareness whatsoever?
Actually, I do need feminism. It gives me something to laugh at.
You are funny 2
Spoke from heart.
Who do you think you are?
Just because you don’t believe in a particular movement doesn’t mean you should invalidate people’s opinions. Grow up
@George Smith Patton Jr. Damn. You still hold onto this petty belief for two years.
And also, if this is a comment section, then who's to say I can't give my own damn opinion.
Yooo true.
If feminism is really about equality, then I'm probably one of the world's greatest feminism supporters. I want women be forced to sign the selective service, or go to jail. I want women to not have any biased favors in the family/criminal courts. Jeez.
That is actually one of the very few points made by men's rights advocates that I agree with - either make men and women equally liable to fight wars or not. Family court decisions and biases are a different matter but in general justice should hit men and women equally too, since the assumption that women are less of a threat to society may be true but if men are more of a threat then the solution is rehabilitation or preventatively good enculturation that dampens those tendencies. The way that men are encultured to be aggressive towards each other creates a byproduct of violence towards women. A boy who hits another boy should be censured as much as if he had hit a girl (something that almost never happens because we enculture against it)
@@AlastairMcGowan-kn4vs There were several things you mentioned, so I'll go over them one at a time. While I did say that women should be forced to sign the selective service, but I don't think they should be in the front line. And the biggest reason is, they'll be liability. It requires intense physical strength, and women simply lack that, due to physiology. Front line labors are for men. Instead, women should be assigned non-front line physical labors, such as cooking, cleaning, and transportation. They are all jobs that require less physical strength, but still very much needed.
As for your, "solution is rehabilitation or preventatively good enculturation", personally, I don't think that's gonna work. Violent people will be violent -- all living things (humans or not) are entirely about violence, and those who abuse that are called criminals. And in order to defend against criminals, you must know how to use violence yourself. Ultimately, the only real solution against violence is more violence. History has proven that multiple times.
Is to to late to call child protective services on on her? Her son would be better off raised by raccoons down by the river. No one who sees men as a 'problem' should be raising children at all.
He asked her why she doesn't care about his rights and well being. She interpreted that as asking why she wasn't making him help women more.
What an appalling mother, feel so sorry for her son. She's just treating him as a utility for her cause.
What has feminism done for equality?
nothing thats the answer maybe female voting but thats about it and i dont even think that was feminism that did that.
Men never needed feminism to be honest
Why would Men ever need a phenomena that would work against their own interests?
well the vote is 32 likes and 694 dislikes..
There is actually hope.
4.8 K now🤣
Oh people started disliking your comment there is still hope
@@Aditi-mb3qm youtube doesnt show dislikes there is actually hope
Women don't consider short men to be equal to tall guys.
Yet we are supposed to consider them our equal. 🤦♂️
Men don't need feminism. We were perfectly fine before it.
feminism is such a waste of time it comes first like a good idea when ur a teenage girl but when ur married and u have kids and u make your little boy feel bad about himself for being born as a man...I rather send child protection after u at that point
And she is not willing to do anything to help in the problems of her son. The only thing she wants is to turn her son into an useful apliance for women.
Like you want women to turn into an useful appliance for men right?
@@Aditi-mb3qm It should be equal. Both being useful for each other.
@@Aditi-mb3qm When, where, who told that?
I hope her kids read these comments.
she ended up exposing the reasons NO ONE needs feminism
Yes, I can see what meant at 3:50. Imagine if we started wasting resources on men! Men's mental health, homelessness, lack of employment and such. Be terrible to spend any money on that when it COULD go to women!
I'm sorry. Name one time feminism ever benefitted men.
simple : never
LoL... I haven't listened to the vid. I want to preserve my sanity.
Men need feminism? Maybe the marxists who use it as a means of getting more power...
Feminism needs men? Of course! They need to do some finger pointing
Breaking down the topic of toxic masculinity which are hurting BOTH men and women
@@banggolovesyoutube637 never needed any feminism in my life and I'm better that way
@@danteerskine7678 Congrats bestie, that's because you're a man ❤
You focused on making sure your daughter has the same choices your son does and seemingly think just because he's a man he'll get choices. But from what I heard at the start he's probably not getting much help or advice from anyone of what he can do.
Women want the rights of being a man, not the responsibility
Men want the right of being man like not doing household work giving children his name when he doesn't even give birth to them and talk nonsense when women want the credit for the work women do .
@@Aditi-mb3qm not giving birth doesnt make him less parent... plus, this is 21st century, everyone does household work, and if men arent doing, they are doing doing hard work outside of house...
@@Aditi-mb3qm But the men's money are soooo goood before merriage, during marriage and especially after the divorce, his house, his work ,everything are by far merited by women.
women dont want to be men, we want equity so that the responsibility and rights are balanced based on the needs of both parties. it makes things easier for everyone
It must be a nightmare to live with this woman
this is why youtube removed dislikes
Yeah, the pay gap exists, but it’s not because of sexism it’s because of difference in choices. Men and women are paid the same for the same job, women just tend to chose lower paying jobs and dedicate in general less time to work.
Not because a result isn’t the same does it mean is based on inequality.
I just came for the comments
pravin rajar my man 😂
Innit
No thanks don't need a group who blames me for everything they do.
That poor kid, having a mother like you.
If you dont care about your son and all you care about is womens rights..
A humble advice: pls give away your son to someone who cares for him being himself!
As a female love, friend and family is more important than feminism.
@@thepootisman6350 because divorce courts offer them a large some of money and its financial jack pot for them and it is a good vindictive weapon.
Women leave marriages beacuse of no fault most often than anything.
and the lack of family structure as well in the west that feminism claim is keeping women enslave.
lmao Feminism is like the meme were the guy shoots the other guys looks over to you and say look what you did.( the person being blamed men for their own actions lul)
@@floreamariussorin8652 i agree, only wahcowskis would do atheism and feminism
Well never have good families without feminism
Shutup
I have an idea for teaching men to be good guys. How about like an outdoors program just for boys where they learn self discipline and caring for society. Oh wait that already existed in boyscouts and feminists stole it from them
andy do you want a ticket to De Fuking GuLaG?
@@Memerproductions u 1 v 1 me lol i'll send you to the gulag haha
Theres already a name for equality... its equality. Saying feminism is equality is saying masculinism is equality.
"We need to persuade men that this is good for them to, because men are not going to change unless they also see that they benefit"?! Men have been changing and prioritizing their wives and children's needs ever since we lived in caves. As a matter of fact our society has only developped the way it did because of men placing the needs of others and society before their own. And without men's willingness to sacrifice themselves and devoting their lives to the greater good we would probably still be in those caves. How about adressing men's issues instead of demonizing and blaming us for all the things you deem wrong in society? You could start with caring about your own son because he's clearly being mentally abused and neglected in the hands of this woman.
I think it’s feminism that doesn’t know how to change without seeking a benefit
Feminism is like that person that no body asked for to be in their party but they come and happily act and gaslights everyone like everyone was asking for it.
Never trust somebody who tells you you're what's wrong with the world based on factors which are out of your control
Yes. Its tempting to set up a secret society of men only and call it ,"The Patriarchy," since so many feminists seem hellbent on believing in one.
Yes, Men need feminism so that can know which women to avoid dating
feminists are having more and more mixed feelings about marriage and that's a good thing
now thats a fact
They got us in the first round ngl
Boy: What about me mum? Mum: Don't worry about you dear.
hopefully that kid turns out right
😂
*Self-awareness has left the chat*
When no one shows up to your Ted talk the turn the lights out in the crowd to hide that fact.
"Why feminism needs men?" Well why do plantation owners need slaves?
So that somebody else does the heavy lifting and the hard work and receive in return insults and abuse for their service.
Now shut up, man up, be a real man and do whatever the lady says.
The problem with feminism is that women have all the opportunities to get into higher positions and make more money, but they are often too scared to ask for a raise and fill those spots, so then a man with more testosteron and generally more courage comes along and he does ask for a raise and he gets the spot in the company that the woman could have. And now that she has lost the place she blames the man for taking it? She blames the boss for choosing the man above her? Life isn't easy and being successful isn't something that will be layed upon your lap in order for you to just accept it. You have to work hard in order to get those jobs, but women are worse at fighting for what they're worth than men are. I'm not saying that men are better than women. I'm trying to say that because of biological differences in things like testosteron levels between men and women, men generally have more courage to take risks and then get better jobs.
I treated men and women equally and they called me a misogynist
That’s like saying women need misogyny. At this point, feminism and misogyny is one of the same.
Feminism is also misandry, too.