Skoda Superb iV fails the moose test
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- Опубліковано 25 тра 2020
- The Skoda Superb Combi iV (Plug-In Hybrid) MY20 fails the moose test. 72 km/h is the approval limit, and the VW does not reach it. The competitors (see video) are approved with a good margin.
Read more about this issue at bit.ly/2zAvUPk
Weights: Skoda Superb Combi iV 1.900 kg. Mercedes C-class Plug-in Hybrid 2.040 kg. Peugeot 508 SW Plug-in Hybrid 1.880 kg.
All cars are equipped with original wheels (rims and tires) and tire pressure according to each car's specifications.
Teknikens Värld have been performing moose tests since the 1970s. Our test became world famous when the all-new Mercedes A-class turned over in 1997. Since then many, many cars have passed the test, but quite many have also failed, some of them by performing the evasive maneuver really bad, for example the Toyota Hilux (twice) and the RAV4, the Jeep Grand Cherokee and many more. - Авто та транспорт
Well, it seems like those results aren't Superb at all
I see what u did there 😏
Or simply clever
I'd say they are Subpar
Badum, tsss
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I didn't but my UA-cam is almost cars related.
Of course not. Subscribed for it.
I cant believe this but you are goddam right!
@RidelikeLightning
I did search for this. Never been recommended a Moose Test video.
This is iV version. Heavy batteries over rear axle disturbed weight distribution
yeah, but it's comared against competitors that also are plugin-hybrids, with similar or even heavier weights : Weights: Skoda Superb Combi iV 1.900 kg. Mercedes C-class Plug-in Hybrid 2.040 kg. Peugeot 508 SW Plug-in Hybrid 1.880 kg.
@@ibanfernandez4705 you can't have 508 plug hybrid !
@@jeromegodeau4591 yes you can
Hybrid Passat failed the same. Same group, same problems, thats how it is. Would still get a škoda, though.
@@jeromegodeau4591 you can, but it is fairly new, they used to have diesel-hybrid engine, not sure if that one was plug in, but now they rolled out the 1.6petrol plus electric with combined 200hp which are plugin, for 508, 3008 and I am sure for some other models too.
It looks so dramatic with the Skoda. The other ones just do it. But the Skoda is really struggling.
When you compare to pegueot 508 thats just way different kind of quality
@@mateuszkozik1166 lower one, loool
@@martinchuman ofcourse its lower, some people think skoda arent that shitty as dacia etc, but it has old vw parts such as breaks from golf mk5, not even a passat, same suspension, this car is cheaper alternative of passat or audi a4, but lower price is lower quality
@@mateuszkozik1166 skodas are fucking miles in front of dacias and even better than peugeots, how can you even compare superb with anything that dacia is producing ? :D
@@martinchuman better than pegueot? Maybe you mean more popular, look at 508 moose test and come back tell us what did you seen, because 508 have done moose better than most of the audi RS, which supposed to be sport cars
Not approved but has more "drift" :D
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Poslední nejlepší auto od škodovky bylo scout 2007 :-D od té doby bych do ní už nešel. NIKDY!
aprove it up aprove it down and aprove it araund 😆
@@kaiserlex6141 There are over 3000 languages in the world and you've chosen to speak facts.
@@kaiserlex6141 Mercedes G Trieda Je podľa mamky Mojej traktor 😂😂😂😂😂😂 keď ona ma maecedesa Vito A rapid
Put more moose tests to YT, please!!! 🙏
Soft suspension + hard compound (fuel saving) tires.
No it becuz rubbish vw chassis
Huge batteries is the reason.
The combustion versions do fine.
@@bremCZ People, do you realize that others cars on this video are also plug-in hybrids, but do very well? Like Peugeot 508
@@cytrynowy_melon6604 Yes... but that doesn't change the fact that the huge batteries are the issue for the Superb. It is the difference between the combustion and hybrid versions.
That it isn't the issue for the 508 doesn't mean it isn't the issue for the Superb.
Hi Teknikens Varld, I would like to point out additional information to help with moose test and it is an important aspect too. Do mention the tyre brand and model which was equipped on the vehicle during the test. And its good for your team to have additional data in regards to tyre performance. Thanks in advance.
They probably use company recommended tyres.
@@cariappa89 different market region uses different brand. Sometimes Michelin, Pirelli, or Continental.
Not onyl tires but at what speed did the car come out of the cones. Offcourse some cars e6ill pass the moose test because they loose 70% of their speed in 2 turns
@@robertjusic9097 as for the speed test they did it at a much higher speed at first, and if failed they will go down a few km/h and test again.
Isn't it just because of the disproportion of the weight balance cause by additional battery... ?
but it's compared against competitors that also are plugin-hybrids, with similar or even heavier weights : Weights: Skoda Superb Combi iV 1.900 kg. Mercedes C-class Plug-in Hybrid 2.040 kg. Peugeot 508 SW Plug-in Hybrid 1.880 kg.
Disproportion? Original petrol engine car is disproportioned having 64% on front axle and 36% of weight on rear axle. This one should be better balanced thanks to bateries, more close to 50/50. But VW group preffers the developement of number os USB ports, big touch screens and volume of the air in the boot, than making a good suspension. Simply NEVER!
@@michalv3158 couldnt agree more. Well said.
@@michalv3158 you are right only when the car is stacionary. You can't compare these axle loads when the car starts moving (especially turning) then distance of mass from centre of the car is what matters, so adding heavy batteries to the very end od the car causes what se see in the video = the back acts as a steel ball on a rope.
@@dasodaa of course they should change the rear suspension. But they didn't because it costs money, and as VW group don't build cars for people only for money, they have this bad result. There are many cars which are heavier and have 50/50 but their suspension is engineered properly and so they work good. But VW group no. 1 priority is to cut costs and covering it with lies through marketing. And that's why I don't like them.
Thank you for this and please upload more Moose test video in the future! It's just a great reference to all people before they purchase the car.
Great to see the truth about the safety that these vehicles offer. Would love to see a test with the actual Mazda 6 estate.
This is just weird, aspecially considering how intrusive the esp is
Nothing weird here.
Its just physics.
The issue with their new ESC is the corrections are initiated too late, the system is too slow.
@@jareknowak8712 it's engineering. Poor engineering.
maybe weight distribution is important too
Its because of this being the hybrid. The batteries mess with the weight distrobution. I would like to see the test with the tsi/tdi ones.
Omg, never expected Skoda would do so bad 😂
Peugeot 508 is faster and still stays in the lane
Because peugeot is lighter? In crash test will be superb winner..
@@Dolezel72 Actually lighter cars are better for crashes ... more crumple
@@mfyt5376 yeah, your body gets crumpled l
@@mfyt5376 Less momentum too
Do you know anything about Peugeot? Beside the fact that they made poor cars and partly still do they are also known for their rallyeing history and their skills in suspention setup. A Peugeot is offen state of the art when it comes to suspension
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The C-Class looks to have the AMG Sport Pkg which has a really stiff suspension set-up, rides like a go-kart, not great for family but great for .. this. I've driven one for a while and it is much stiffer and smaller than the Superb.
Does it also depend on driver´s skill? Or is there more drivers for testing to have the best result as possible? Thanks for reply...🚘
Older video i know, but I’m interested to know what drive mode was used, and if there was any difference between them. Considering the adaptive suspension.
508 behaves well, Peugeot are known for their good handling (well, in the higher spec models anyway)
Because its not the hybrod Version and 300kg lighter then the Skoda 🤷♂️
@@knallm1chboll3r29 Did you even bother to read the description?
KnallM1ch Böll3r 🤦♂️ 20kg difference. Nothing. First read and talk after.
Well, since Passat failed, it only makes sense this copy paste of it would also.
they only need to adjust the ESP properly, thats all
Have you ever tested Peugeot 407sw? I wonder a lot.
Thank you.
Quite a scary performance from Superb IV. Kindly run the test with Skoda Superb Combi 2.0 tsi or 2.0tdi for comparison.
You can't compare those models. TSI & TDI are balanced completely different with a much lower center of gravity. They will struggle, but likely pass the test.
@@thefreedomguyuk already tested. Did it as good as 508 and C class. It even managed 80 km/h. Google it.
Thanks for these tests!
Is there somewhere a moose test of a CItroen C4 Picasso visible in the background? Thanks!
Can you also publish setup of the cones .. how is the track set up ? I would like to try it also but I want exactly the same track as you had. Send dimensions please
Would be great to show width and type of tyres. Honestly, I drive my octavia mk3 with Michelins 225 width, had been on a driving course and moose test at 72 was quite easy. Tires do malé a lot of diference, plus the Wright of hybrid system does much as well.
Non racing tires in a cold state should not make a huge difference.
The difference is your ESC is older technology.
Vilken profil hade ni inställt stötdämparna på?.. Någon skillnad i testet mellan dessa?
Do you have moose test of Astra K?
Did you test all cars with the same tires? Some cars come with "energy savers", which handle different from sports tires.
They are the ones sold with the car so it has to be tested this way
They are tested as they come from factory
Test the Xantia Activa please !
I wonder what - as Superb iV always comes with DCC - was the suspension setup used? Would that make a difference? From what reviewers say, the behaviour is radicaly different between "sport" and "comfort".
Adjustable shock absorbers never make any difference in moose tests.It only changes the steering feedback.
Was the superb on sport or comfort mode?
Can you specify the tyres used. Eg are they premium.. which brand? Then we can look at how other drivers rate the tyres elsewhere.
He doesn't even nlknow what are u talking about.. He just likes Peugeot,..
This results with ESP on?
what load do the cars carry in the test?
the 508 looked really well in this test.
Has this been done with max. load in the rear trunk? If not, it should be done that way.
Can you do a moose test on the new SsangYong Korando?
508 looks like a rally car coming through there!
Hello, as described I understant that this in on stock tires and rims, can you please specify which wheels and tires is Skoda on? You can choose because it can be fitted /w 18" or 19". It looks like premium (most expensive) 19" Trinity Premium Alloys. Thank you so much!! From 🇨🇿
Great video, sad to see that behaviour upon the moose test especially for that kind of FAMILY car...
Drift aproved! I take it!
Curious to see what a version with DCC in sport mode will do. I actually own an Superb iV (fortunately) with DCC and always drive it in individual mode with suspension on sport setting. This because it performs way better in corners and is still highly comfortable.
it absolutely does not. every single car is faster in the corners when you put the active suspension in „soft“ mode. you only think that it‘s faster because you pressed a stupid button that says „sport“. sorry to burst your bubble and if you don‘t believe me test it for yourself.
@@South4153 in not saying it feels faster (although it does ;)). I'm saying that with the DCC on sport mode the car should handle better. The DCC settings physically changes the damper valve openings (for both the rebound and compression damping) which, in its turn, influences handling. And, being a new car, I test it regularly. The car handles way stiffer/better with DCC in sport mode (not compatible however with my previous car on KW coilovers). Corners which can be safely done at 80 km/h with DCC on soft are safely done at about 90 km/h with DCC on sport. You off course hand in on comfort, but that is no issue with the Superb.
Please, use a wind sttoper in the microphone...
Get better tire compound and no problem, and bit stiffer suspension unless you only care about comfort
Is this the Plug-in Hybrid model?
I still love how it looks when they did a citroen cx in this test
I need more god dam moose tests please!!!!
But how did it do on the elk test?
The Same Problem like Passat GTE. Its the Problem of Hybrid and the Battery in the back. I think the ABS/ESP Need a other Software
are the cars using the same tires?
It seems to be a bad configuration of the ESP that doesn't offset extra weight of batteries in rear axle
Are Skoda superb and mercedes c in the same class?
Was citroen c5 ever in that test?
On a two lane road if someone swerves into oncoming traffic wouldn't it be better to brake and hit the Moose? Or since the Moose is probably running you may miss them by just braking. And I've had close calls with airborne Deer running, not much time to react other than just braking.
Wonder when these test results will be published in Germany ...
lol never of course. or they‘ll just say that this test is irrelevant and they did a similar test and it bevahed great😂
Problem is : şkoda not regular or adaptive suspension, single comfort. And very comfort.
Hi, out of interest - How did you set the Dampers in DCC? If this happens at the very soft "comfort" mode, I would not be surprised.
Another question - what tires in which dimension were on the skoda?
soft would be best for such a test lol. you have no clue what you‘re talking about. apart from that even when it says ‚soft‘ or ‚hard‘ it does not mean soft or hard. the only way to make a car softer or harder is to change the springrate and oil in the dampers. tires are the ones that the car comes with from factory.
@@South4153 not true, it can also be changed by adjusting damper valves which is exactly what happens when changing DCC settings.
Marcel van Etten no it cannot. it doesn‘t change from hard to soft. it changes from slower to faster damping. are you a mechanical engineer? i don‘t think so. if you want your car to be harder you need to buy harder springs samd thicker oil. all of those damper setting are gimmicks for people that have no clue about cars and think it‘s „cool“ to push some buttons.
@@South4153 I think you are referring only to spring hardness, but also a damper can be hard or soft. With DCC you change the damper valves making it harder or easier for the oil to flow through which is referred to as the compression or hardness of a damper. Maybe the semantics causes the difference in opinion but being that it delivers a physical change to the cars suspension it's not just a 'gimmick for people who don't know about cars or think it's cool to push some buttons 🙄'? Referring back to the Moose test and the original question; a damper hardness or compression can have a huge impact on over- or understeer and therefore on the handling during the test. I think with the standard setting the damper is actually too soft for the hardness of the spring (possibly becoming relatively hard due to the added weight of the battery). Therefore it is a valid question to ask about the DCC setting during test. I suggest you to read the piece about damping rates on www.superstreetonline.com/how-to/chassis-suspension/1608-understanding-your-cars-suspension-getting-stiffed
Is this esp on or off?
Always good effect give big break in ESP if not break well car back on line not stable. Of course probably best effect at 70kph many cars is setup for this speed
C-Class : "Hold my beer...."
First A-class:roll over beethoven
@@martinnilsson5295 That's only the start of the story ! The first A-class were not fitted with ESP. When the test result proved the car had a stability issue, the manufacturer reacted promptly by recalling all sold vehicles and retrofitted them with ESP.
So smoke without a real fire.
I've not heard VAG recalling all Skoda/VW/Seat on this platform ??
It had dreadful understeer though
Hold my hybrid...
How the fwd cars drifting? Rear ends too light?
Too heavy
Why are the cones with all tests in the video on the exact same location? According to the moose test specs the cones should be positioned at a width of [1.1x vehicle width + 0.25m] for section 1, up to [1.3x vehicle width + 0.25m] for section 3. Hence, for the Superb, being the widest vehicle the cones should be positioned differently.
Cos he faking the test, that's why
Same platform of the VW Passat GTE.. OH WAIT, the Passat failed it too
VAG hybrids
You must made videos of this challenge for every single car...
I live in Central Ontario, Canada, where moose and deer are very common. I have had to perform this very manoeuvre at speed. Try this at 120 km/h, with steep embankments on both sides of the two traffic lanes. My 89 Mercury Grand Marquis did it without going on to the shoulder of the road. If a North American boat (5½ metres long, almost 2 tonnes) with a reputation for poor handling can do it, I find it distressing that 40 years on a much better handling car cannot.
Doesn’t the extra rubber on the road surface make it easier?
When can we expect a test to a motorhome? It's time to end this tabu regarding motorhomes road safety. ;)
:)
They can't afford a massive bus tipping over.
Please test the Citroen Xantia Activa!!!! More than 85 Kmh
Did Superb 3 also failed?
That's the disadvantage of making a physically HUGE and very long car, with fairly soft suspension and on a pretty basic and affordable platform. Nothing wrong with the car subjectively, I've driven it plenty of times with various engines, and it's very smooth, comfortable, handles well and feels very stable and secure. It's just that it obviously can't handle very fast changes of direction, as no big car can.
Esp ?
Just get some good set of coilovers and saw bars then everything will be fine
Sway bars?
I come here once every six months to see a test that 99% of us will never have to deal with.
welcome to the next A CLASS moose test show , with SKODA SUPERB and PASSAT GTE as first contenders :)))
ESP and suspension not working as expected...
Due to heavy battery pack at the tail of the car! Better choose the non hybrid versions. And do the test for the non+-hybrid versions of Passat / Superb.
I need to see this with a car with bad sway bars I have a 2007 buick lacrosse and i hear it really affects this test
Do the Skoda and the Passat GTE share the same platform? Anyone knows
Both are VAG and estates so I assume they're at least quite related
They are and they share the same drivetrain with comparable weight distribution.
it‘s actually the same car. it just looks slightly different from the outside. that‘s also why they both behave so poorly.
No wonder with the hard stock Pirellis that come with Skoda. Also DCC setting not mentioned.
it‘s a test of the stock vehicle. well stupid vag if they put shitty tires on their cars to save some more money and still charge way too much from their braindead customers.
i didn t see any fail for so big family car without any perfomance upgrates actually did it very well.
Video starting caption: No cones were hurt in the making of this film!
This is hybrid Škoda, bare that in mind, it is heavier then normal. I'm not a Škoda fan, but I would buy it all time over VW.
The sister car, Passat GTE failed...as did the NON-hybrid passat so the battery is not the culprit.
Does anybody knows what ESC ECU does it have?
VW group seems to have trouble with this test
Yeah
But still good cars overall
Too soft. They steer like a boat. I like mine, but spirited driving is off the menu.
It's not surprising. Something wrong is happening with VAG cars since some time (new platform?). There are several test on chanel 77km.com, showing they perform poorer than they should.
Is this 4 x4 version or FF version?
IV means Electric (this Superb is plug in hybrid) this is the reason why it failed. There is battery in the trunk thats the reason for bad test. Engine is 1.4.
@@filipzavoral9526 since the Passat with no added battery performs pretty much as bad as the plug in one, I'd say the Superb also just has bad chassis instead of just being rear heavy. Batteries are located low, so actually can help sometimes (look eg. Tesla moose test)
malfunction in ecr????
Why is it being compared to the c class which is a much smaller car
Skoda has a heavy oversteer compared to competitors, it seems, that ESP simply doesn't get the job done... And by MB and Peugeot it heavily controls the vehicle all the way through the moose test.
My guess would be, that VW wanted to make a more driver friendly car, where MB and Peugeot simply followed the safety and not the performance. If it is a case, the problem can be quite easily updated by a new firmware in the ESP model.
However it could be not/ not only the fault of the ESP but of the tyres, which cannot handle the increased veight of the hybrid car.
Bad weight distribution. Rear loose traction could result in death for some drivers if dont know how to counter steer
what about tires skoda and peugeot? It looks like slippery tires.
Yeah for people more acquainted with oversteer this response would be preferable in the dry. But I bet in any other conditions that’s a quick way to end up in the trees.
Where are thé Skoda engineer test?
need inbord camera to see steering input
It's because where Skoda is made there are no.. Mooses? Meese? XD
But they cows so....
Second driver countersteers way better than first one, you can clearly see the first failing to turn left on time.
Hyundai Sonata 2018 test pls
That merc and Peugeot is impressive
Somebody can explain what the main reasons of this? what actually manufacturer should do with car, to pass this test? what are most important things there?
Calibration of the ESP system, I'd imagine they haven't recalibrated to account for the extra weight of the batteries in the rear (hybrid model) and therefore the system isn't braking the wheels correctly to account for the new weight distribution of the vehicle.
Probably just needs a few days of testing and calibration and can be fixed in a software recall.
Still abit shocking it got to production like this though, it's a closed loop system so changes in passenger load etc can be handled normally so maybe the batteries had more effect than they assumed.
@@AaronShort555 The problem here is probably not the ESP alone. The Passat GTE hybrid AND non-hybrid failed too so I guess it is a shit designed rear end or a fucked ESP system from the start
You should definitely try that test using a Holman-Moody Ford Fairlane. 😂