I am all for a sporty car having neutral handling and being able to oversteer easily. Lots of fun! That being said, with modern stability systems there is no excuse for not being able to pass this test with the system on.
Yeah, the fact that the RAV4 failed was puzzling. The majority of modern Toyotas (pretty much anything since the 2005 Highlander onward) have a "Vehicle Dynamics Integrated Management" system that can react to (and predict) vehicle behavior 1,000 times every second. Theoretically, it's impossible to spin.
@@mtnman1984 yup the computers are more than fast enough to take the input from steering wheel and figure out where drivers want to go and brake the correct wheel to pull the car the way you want.
The Citroen Xantia Activa still holds the record for highest speed and greatest stability... This test with cones is so artificial and hitting a few cones does not prove instability or lack of safety... but nearly rolling is pretty radical...
I owned a Xantia 1.9 TD and we took our 15 year old Citroen way into the Aussie outback to the Flinders Ranges, up the Oodnadatta Track and down to Coober Pedy... fabulous comfort and economy, where nearly every other vehicle was a four wheel drive... Such a great car... Also loved my DS, GS & CX.
The A-class - in german 'A-Klasse' - was quickly nicknamed 'Vält-Klasse'. 'Weltklasse', which is german translates roughly to Top Notch and 'Välta' means turning over in Swedish.
No surprise that a refrigerator on wheels doesn't corner too well. I see you didn't show a Miata/MX5 of any year doing the course. Why? 2400lbs 50/50 weight distribution! It's been one of the best, if not the best, autocross vehicle since inception.
cars like the m4 have setups to perform well on regular racetracks but with the comfort and safety in mind compared to racecars that are extremely tiring and twitchy to drive. For the moose test you need an autocross setup which is a different tuning: suspension dampers spring rates front and rear plus swaybars stiffness that differ from front rear depending on weight distribution.Also for sportier cars the stability control may be set up so that it lets you do most of the work and feel what the car is doing.But you can have find cars with both good results on moose and on track reviews as well although some might be more dangerous and harder to control at the limit despite being good at the moose test.
These results should be considered fairly typical for many of those vehicles in my opinion. As far as the Citroen that holds the speed record. Very good results for the manufacturer! But that vehicle was made during a time when the vehicles were a lot lighter. When you couple the vehicle weight with the advanced anti roll system that it has, you end up with very good handling. The anti-roll system that it has, rivals Mercedes Benz top of the line options. Mercedes Benz does have active anti-roll systems, instead of the anti-roll bar, they do it with Hydraulic Struts, it is called Active Body Control. If you wish to see the way it works, look up MB ABC test. We perform this test after maintenance of the system as a part of the bleed procedure. Todays vehicles are a lot heavier than older vehicles. They past crash tests that older vehicles will not pass. They also have much more electronics. Those electronics need wire. Copper is a heavy material. The vehicles in the test were also mainly SUVs or in-between SUV and Car.
That ain't rocket science - it's basic physics. We have been building low, wide cars that don't roll since the 1922 Lancia Lambda. And then, about 25 years ago, we started building tall, heavy vehicles with a high centre of gravity. Unsurprisingly, they are unstable and roll over easily. Well, duh!
Have a look at the stability tests done by the channel car hub. Little pretend SUVs are lethal People sacrifice so much just to sit 10 inches higher Worse fuel consumption, more weight, worse handling, higher centre of gravity, increased brake and tyre wear and a higher price to buy. Do people really need one that badly ?
Hilux suspension isnt soft by any means though thats to be expected as most pickups outside the US are designed to carry heavy loads on a regular basis.
Bigger wheels ARE the problem in the Toyota Hilux, because they use low profile tires with stiffer sidewalls. The silver Hilux had smaller wheels and thicker sidewalls with more flex (or roll) that allowed the tires to slide; keeping the bottom of the truck from slowing faster than the upper part, i.e., they act less like the fixed point of a lever. Ditto, the Grand Cherokee, but it's the time of form over function.
As a none car person, I see that the problem seems to be an unbalance weight shift, need a better car design, but what do I know, just some (educated) guess.
In the blurb about the 1997 Mercedes Benz A-Class failure of the Moose Test, note that Mercedes Benz added electronic stablilzation to that model car. Well, I have an 'old' 2004 Volvo XC70 and it has Stabilizer Bars. I can often feel the benefit of those bars. I don't know if electronic stabilization is included, yet the other features of this model and year make it safer than the 2 Fords and 2 Toyotas in my family!!! Volvo For Life!!
CLA is an A class as well. Not rear wheel drive so it's also just a budget car underneath with a premium badge to trick people. To be fair all Mercedes are crap these days
The comment is quite exaggerated. About getting killed. You'll probably just survive in these cars. Still, I was surprised by the bad moose performance of these cars.
6:40 Maki-E, Maki Maki... Too Japanish-sounding name for an "American" car. And one that manages to flip over despite have a ton of heavy metal lithium supposedly at the bottom center of gravity.
All of them are expensive high end vehicles. What are you really paying for? Despite the hate for anything Nissan they seem to actually be building safer vehicles than toyota. Hmmm. Big seller getting away with crap. Scotty Kilmer would never talk about this. 😆
All accidents with a moose is like your ”moose test”… ehh.. ..it is always 3 moose’s in a line like your cones 😂😂😂 Sorry, you can NOT test something like an accident with a moose, all accidents are totally different.
The moose test has lost its meaning. Reason: The press is bored because this test does not represent a dangerous situation in reality. The cones were put up according to the feeling of Nordic scandal press people in order to experience a spectacle. After the Mercedes shipwreck, rows of cars from all over the world were placed on the roof using this procedure for test purposes in Germany. There were no moose in Sweden before this test. Today this is regulated with electronics. The original A Class had a more modern and comfortable chassis than later after the moose test configuration.
@@CaptainDangeax I've never driven a Mercedes. However, I know a test engineer. They wanted to know from the Swedes on what basis the new test for cars was created. Invitation, reimbursement of costs, research center ready to go - no response from Sweden. The Swedish tester types much preferred to earn their money on European talk shows.
My car passes at 81km/h on the moose test, performed by km77. That's the main reason I bought this model instead of some overpriced dieselgate german piece of crap
The problem is mostly the weight... all those moderne car are too heavy (electric or hybrid)... But stupide people tink that when you are hight on road in a SUV, you are safe.
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Bruh went from car enthusiast to nuclear war philosopher to political scientist, and then back to car enthusiast.
@Mig-ln9hm it was consensual
Yea lol
Ten times better is a car of 90', as Citroen Xantia with active suspensions, that passed the test at 105 km/h. Incredibile.
not at 105km/h but still amazing for any car, especially from the 90s.
The record is 52.8 mph or 84 kmh
There test was easier then and it wasn’t 105!
105 km/h? That's a record by at least 20 km/h. 85 km/h officially which is still unbeliavable, beating model 3 and mclaren 675 by 2kph.
@@miljororforsprakpartiet290 What does the Ariel Atom 4cyl do it in ??
I am all for a sporty car having neutral handling and being able to oversteer easily. Lots of fun!
That being said, with modern stability systems there is no excuse for not being able to pass this test with the system on.
Yeah, the fact that the RAV4 failed was puzzling. The majority of modern Toyotas (pretty much anything since the 2005 Highlander onward) have a "Vehicle Dynamics Integrated Management" system that can react to (and predict) vehicle behavior 1,000 times every second. Theoretically, it's impossible to spin.
@@aspecreviews maybe the extra weight from hybrid system throws off the system ?
@@aspecreviews Unfortunately, not even the most sophisticated electronic system can overcome the laws of physics. There is a point of no return.
Your commentary is over the top and hysterical.
I am pretty sure the bmw m4 competition with its monkey ass imprint fascia would scare the moose away, so no problem there.
I came here to say that
R.I.P. Bullwinkle. 😂😂😂
lmao
cars are tooooo heavy :(
Still not heavy enough when you have massive trucks and buses driven by complete lunatics...
@@Sunny-i8d6yit’s because they think they need a big truck that we have these ginormous cars in the first place!
Even a Peugeot 2024 weighs 2,350 kg
No, they are either too high or RWD.
I am flabbergasted that BMW M4 sucks at handling based on that test.
Becauae it's a stupid test. Where else in the world do they do this test?
@@TRPGpilot It is a real life test, because avoiding a heavy animal in Canada or Europe is a common occurrence.
@@TRPGpilot these maneuvers are exactly what stability systems are supposed to be built for.
@@mtnman1984 yup the computers are more than fast enough to take the input from steering wheel and figure out where drivers want to go and brake the correct wheel to pull the car the way you want.
@@TRPGpilothave you never swerved in a vehicle ever ?
The Citroen Xantia Activa still holds the record for highest speed and greatest stability...
This test with cones is so artificial and hitting a few cones does not prove instability or lack of safety... but nearly rolling is pretty radical...
Some people prefer to accuse the test instead of admitting their car of choice is just crap. Remember, when the king looks naked, the king IS naked
I owned a Xantia 1.9 TD and we took our 15 year old Citroen way into the Aussie outback to the Flinders Ranges, up the Oodnadatta Track and down to Coober Pedy... fabulous comfort and economy, where nearly every other vehicle was a four wheel drive... Such a great car... Also loved my DS, GS & CX.
The A-class - in german 'A-Klasse' - was quickly nicknamed 'Vält-Klasse'. 'Weltklasse', which is german translates roughly to Top Notch and 'Välta' means turning over in Swedish.
More horifying nuclear attack scenarios please
but how will the united states react to a hostage situation with the president in the white house?
That's easy , they just put Biden in the nearest nursing home!!
4:11 It’s incredibly surprising the M4 Competizione 😮 4:49 then the CLA! Holy sh!!😮
German cars are crap! terrible reliability and quality!
@@ahmadahmal2942 2 toyotas in list ?
The rav 4 lifted a wheel from the ground... WHAAAAT???? That's lethal!!!!
Yeah I did that once and I'm now dead.
Renaults 5 used to do that with a little encouragement but it wasn’t at all dangerous. Looked impressive too.
@@stevenmoran4060 VW golf, especially the GTi with its stiffer suspension was famous for it too.
@@metricstormtrooper My condolences to your family.
3:18 that cone looks like it was generated by an AI xD
Who else isn't surprised a Jeep Wrangler failed the test? It's not designed to swerve around moose, it's meant to go over moose.
No surprise that a refrigerator on wheels doesn't corner too well. I see you didn't show a Miata/MX5 of any year doing the course. Why? 2400lbs 50/50 weight distribution! It's been one of the best, if not the best, autocross vehicle since inception.
Jeep is not designed to avoid Moose. It is designed to heat Moose.
The Wrangler will go over the moose in rock crawling mode... LOL
And die like a stinging bumblebee in the process. Go Into The Wild! Jeep'Murica!
please bring back the nuclear videos that give me a crisis your voice is too good for it
My home state Alaska!!! 🤠
cars like the m4 have setups to perform well on regular racetracks but with the comfort and safety in mind compared to racecars that are extremely tiring and twitchy to drive. For the moose test you need an autocross setup which is a different tuning: suspension dampers spring rates front and rear plus swaybars stiffness that differ from front rear depending on weight distribution.Also for sportier cars the stability control may be set up so that it lets you do most of the work and feel what the car is doing.But you can have find cars with both good results on moose and on track reviews as well although some might be more dangerous and harder to control at the limit despite being good at the moose test.
Those moose tests are from the Spanish car review channel km77. They also have some long term tests.
Many more SUVs and of course pickup trucks not mentioned here demonstrate extremely dangerous handling under extreme maneuvers
That Rav4 drifting like a champ😂
These results should be considered fairly typical for many of those vehicles in my opinion. As far as the Citroen that holds the speed record. Very good results for the manufacturer! But that vehicle was made during a time when the vehicles were a lot lighter. When you couple the vehicle weight with the advanced anti roll system that it has, you end up with very good handling. The anti-roll system that it has, rivals Mercedes Benz top of the line options.
Mercedes Benz does have active anti-roll systems, instead of the anti-roll bar, they do it with Hydraulic Struts, it is called Active Body Control. If you wish to see the way it works, look up MB ABC test. We perform this test after maintenance of the system as a part of the bleed procedure.
Todays vehicles are a lot heavier than older vehicles. They past crash tests that older vehicles will not pass. They also have much more electronics. Those electronics need wire. Copper is a heavy material.
The vehicles in the test were also mainly SUVs or in-between SUV and Car.
Conclusion? Never let moose 🫎behind steering wheel🚗.... At least without prior alcohol test ...🍸
Some cars there were just not dynamic but all of the SUV’s were really bad.
That ain't rocket science - it's basic physics. We have been building low, wide cars that don't roll since the 1922 Lancia Lambda. And then, about 25 years ago, we started building tall, heavy vehicles with a high centre of gravity. Unsurprisingly, they are unstable and roll over easily. Well, duh!
Money doesn't buy happiness just a fabulous tombstone.
Some of the cars I surely wasn't expecting
I dont have that problem I ride my moose to work
Have a look at the stability tests done by the channel car hub.
Little pretend SUVs are lethal
People sacrifice so much just to sit 10 inches higher
Worse fuel consumption, more weight, worse handling, higher centre of gravity, increased brake and tyre wear and a higher price to buy.
Do people really need one that badly ?
I blame the new cars all being SUVs but still
Not all of them but most, yes. Also the battery components for the hybrid and EV models wouldn’t help either.
Que la mayoria de videos sean de KM77 solo demuestra el gran trabajo que hacen
Curiously, a Greyhound bus passed the moose test, and a Lamborghini Huracan failed. How do you explain this?
Lucky for us here in the UK we don't have a moose problem.
There should be an anti theft test designed specifically for UK.
But there is moorland sheep, ponies and cattle, deer leap fences & hedges at will. Enough for me.
Hilux suspension isnt soft by any means though thats to be expected as most pickups outside the US are designed to carry heavy loads on a regular basis.
Brother, you should bring back your old style of videos. It was fun.
That's the plan!
@@ModernMuscle213 yay your the best. thanks bruv
Bigger wheels ARE the problem in the Toyota Hilux, because they use low profile tires with stiffer sidewalls. The silver Hilux had smaller wheels and thicker sidewalls with more flex (or roll) that allowed the tires to slide; keeping the bottom of the truck from slowing faster than the upper part, i.e., they act less like the fixed point of a lever. Ditto, the Grand Cherokee, but it's the time of form over function.
It’s not called moose test it’s called the squeeze Benz test😂
That really the only ones? I could think of about 100 or more that would be dodgy.
As a none car person, I see that the problem seems to be an unbalance weight shift, need a better car design, but what do I know, just some (educated) guess.
BMW fails because that one is the drift king😮😮
I work late just to avoid my moose at home
Here for the moose getting gibbed
No moose’s in Michigan thank god lol
You've got dogman instead :)
I had the moose test in reality but with a deer. My Q5 with 120km/h did grate. I was surprised it didn't lose grip or direction.
In the blurb about the 1997 Mercedes Benz A-Class failure of the Moose Test, note that Mercedes Benz added electronic stablilzation to that model car. Well, I have an 'old' 2004 Volvo XC70 and it has Stabilizer Bars. I can often feel the benefit of those bars. I don't know if electronic stabilization is included, yet the other features of this model and year make it safer than the 2 Fords and 2 Toyotas in my family!!! Volvo For Life!!
I live in Canterbury England no Moose here but I nearly ran over a squirrel once. Good to be prepared though just in case I meet a really big one .
In how many US States are there mooses?
Pedestrians and kids in most of them though. Don't you swerve for those?
some cars fail "spacktackerly" LOL
I want to see how well a Chevy Spark does
In Ireland we call it the cow test.
Lmao this is ridiculous😂
these cars are heavy and safe enough to drive into a moose ;-)
Moses vs Moose
It’s called the Elk Test
The Jeep that was tested was an early version. Interestingly the 3 different SRTs and the Trackhawk were never tested.
Didn't they start?
@@metricstormtrooper , they started. They was busy pulling X-Drives out of the snow.
BMW is a German car. In german there is NO DOUBLE U. Thats double V! Omg how many deacades needed to learn this simple sh!t?
As someone who drives a Toyota tacoma prerunner....gulp😅
Hilux looked pretty bad.
Elk Test.
My Suzuki Swift 2006 model can pass the test with ease.
1 time a moose jumper in to The Road i slamed at The brake and nearly hit him
The Mercedes A-Class was a vehicle made for the masses who couldn't afford a real Mercedes like a sedan CLA.
CLA is an A class as well. Not rear wheel drive so it's also just a budget car underneath with a premium badge to trick people. To be fair all Mercedes are crap these days
@@awareofvacuity4238 ok my man, you hate Mercedes... I get that.
The comment is quite exaggerated. About getting killed. You'll probably just survive in these cars. Still, I was surprised by the bad moose performance of these cars.
Would any US made car pass the test?
Most (i.e. vast majority) of US made CARS pass the test.
Hated toyota suspension at so many levels! Returned it after a month of the water bed suspension
6:00 I think it was mostly the 2011-2013 maybe? 😮😮😮 6:22
6:40 Maki-E, Maki Maki... Too Japanish-sounding name for an "American" car. And one that manages to flip over despite have a ton of heavy metal lithium supposedly at the bottom center of gravity.
I drive a Toyota -the engines are great, but overall Toyota is not good with suspension engineering. The Jeep Cherokee was the WORST !!!!
That’s not modern muscle, that’s “eco” junk.
the commentary is excelelnt
So the Hilux had too much front grip, but the Mach-E and the Mercedes understeered off the course. Ha!
deadskin loved it♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥
All of them are expensive high end vehicles. What are you really paying for? Despite the hate for anything Nissan they seem to actually be building safer vehicles than toyota. Hmmm. Big seller getting away with crap. Scotty Kilmer would never talk about this. 😆
Most on the top worst musetest are German scrap. Plus their interiors are made of cheap plastic that ratters all over the place.
why is hitting a Moose so bad?? Are you frigging serious?? It's an animal!! We are inside 1.5 tons of steel!! humans can be disgusting sometimes!!
Glad I went with a Honda.
Those are Expensive cars but unstable
6:41 Wrangler too?!?! 6:47 😮
Toyota is never about safety.
My bro it's a pickup truck what did you expect, sports car level handling?
Unintelligent statement.
bruv M4 comp ment to be build like that lol
Comfort vs moose test. What adilemma.
Which cars don’t fail???
The ones that aren't heavy and built for off road probably.
All accidents with a moose is like your ”moose test”… ehh..
..it is always 3 moose’s in a line like your cones 😂😂😂
Sorry, you can NOT test something like an accident with a moose, all accidents are totally different.
The moose test has lost its meaning. Reason: The press is bored because this test does not represent a dangerous situation in reality. The cones were put up according to the feeling of Nordic scandal press people in order to experience a spectacle. After the Mercedes shipwreck, rows of cars from all over the world were placed on the roof using this procedure for test purposes in Germany. There were no moose in Sweden before this test. Today this is regulated with electronics. The original A Class had a more modern and comfortable chassis than later after the moose test configuration.
Another guy pretending the test is crap instead of questioning his own crap choice of a car
@@CaptainDangeax I've never driven a Mercedes. However, I know a test engineer. They wanted to know from the Swedes on what basis the new test for cars was created. Invitation, reimbursement of costs, research center ready to go - no response from Sweden. The Swedish tester types much preferred to earn their money on European talk shows.
My car passes at 81km/h on the moose test, performed by km77. That's the main reason I bought this model instead of some overpriced dieselgate german piece of crap
The problem is mostly the weight... all those moderne car are too heavy (electric or hybrid)... But stupide people tink that when you are hight on road in a SUV, you are safe.
Ford Focus makes it at 82 km/h
Simple solution. Don't drive in Canada with these cars eh...lol
CRV is the way to go. Good thing I bought my CRV and I'm loving it! Honda FTW!
But BMDoubleyou did it good
I hit a cone, I am dead... or... my rear tire lift off by 2 cm, I am dead... commentary should look for another job other than cars 👎
And the winner is Citroen xanita
My Hyundai Getz would do worse then all of them
American cars are crap
Just drive at 35 mph.
Toyota RAV4 did ok...
Big ass commentator.
there is no way an M4 Comp failed that something wasn't working
BMW is sucks
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