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I'd rather eat Arby's
I'd love for you to talk about Smogon Doubles OU ngl
A Bug/Steel Regional or Paradox Vivillon would be pretty rad. It could *actually have a potential use* for Powder if Fire is all it's weak to.
you made an error at 6:53 as you listed the move Sing instead of Powder
Bibarel back in gen 4 had 6 signature moves being surf, waterfall, rock smash, rock climb, strength and cut
I don't even need the thumbnail to know that Dark Void is the star of the show. Smeargle must pay for its crimes.
It didn’t deserve it
Smeargle can’t even sketch dark void anymore but yet they still nerf dark void anyway. Since mythical is not even allowable most of the time in competitive, they didn’t really need to do that
Give Smeargle the death sentence
I’ll always hate Smeargle for what he did to my favorite Mon. That bastard…
@@yohanes2034Technically it can still sketch Dark Void, but if it tries to use it in battle it fails
as someone that plays a lot of ou: it would NOT be cool if Dondozo had a trapping move. Getting locked on the field as Dondozo clicks curse over and over again to become an unkillable sweeper sounds like actual hell LOL
Dondozo with a Clamp would be busted yeah
Counterpoint: LOL
The differences between formats strike again
omg hi
That's why we don't see breloom on doubles. :/
I'd also like to mention that teatime (polteageist's signature move) is pretty bad as well, it makes everyone on the field eat their berries if they have one.
yeah that move is just far too situational to get any use out of
I think WeedleTwineedle used this in a fun gimmick team once, but that's not exactly the same thing as "competitively viable".
I think the reason it wasn't mentioned is that there aren't any moves out there that can be compared to teatime, making it, even by technicality, the best move of its kind out there.
@@regi5165
And it's not like it could be 'upgraded' in any way.
@@IronDino it actually would be amazing if it had a simultaneous effect of Harvest
Big oopsie on the powder section
Also the patreon scroll broke my bad!
Hate to beat a dying horse but h-goodra gets acid armor not iron defense
Same situation but one is an a lot cooler sounding move
Can someone explain to me why no one talks about cross poison? I haven’t seen that move since I stopped playing sw&sh story and post game even though it’s a strong move, and was wondering why. High critical hit ratio 10% chance to poison with 70 bp and 100 accuracy seems so strong to not be used. And I guess it’s not wildly accessible since sw&sh where it was a tm but it is still learned by a few strong Pokémon.
@@bresrk poison jab is more reliable and better poison chance
@@MoxieBoosted yeah just realized
It'd go crazy on sharpness pokes with a razor claw, tho
One small correction on hisuian Goodra. It doesn’t run iron defense either. It instead runs acid armor, which has 5 more base pp than iron defense (8 after pp max), and 10 more than shelter (16 after pp max). It also is less likely to be available to Pokémon who learn imprison although that is rarely relevant.
Came here to say this
Ah yes sing, my favorite bug type move
There was a shocking amount of incorrect information in this video. I'm starting to wonder how much research he does.
@@cradiculousprobably just editing issues
6:15 it says normal right there? Oh later yeah def editing issues since he said powder
@@theshadowking3198 There are other things too, like getting the accuracy for Triple Dive wrong.
@@cradiculousCalm down, its just a editing Mistake
Darkrai didn’t deserve to catch strays just because Smeargle was copying its flow
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Ever heard of camouflage? What do you mean no? You mean you never heard of Starmie's signature move? The one that changes it's typing to pure normal and was added 2 generations after it's debut?
Look this up. This is real
Lol. They did give it to (one) more pokemon a generation later though. Interestingly it resulted in ground typing in link battles in gen 5 only.
Then it became a pretty interesting move with the advent of terrains, only to be removed from the game in gen 8...
Camouflage could have been good if they made it work like it's Z-Move variant and increase the users Evasion in addition to changing its type.
Combo'd with Terrain Pulse and it could really catch people off guard.
Erm ackshually its staryus signature move, and starmie doesnt get it in gen 3 unless it had it as a staryu 🤓👆
9:53 they are not the same move, Kowtow is boosted by Sharpness, False Surrender isn’t.
common Kingambit W
That would be an important distinction if Kingambit had access to the sharpness ability or if a Pokemon with sharpness had access to Kowtow Cleave
here's some other signature moves that are really bad:
Triple Kick: the older and worse version of it's younger brother Triple Axel as it maxes out at...30 power if all 3 hits connect
Glaciate: for being Kyurem's signature move it is incredibly underwhelming being a slightly stronger icy wind
Relic Song: ...why bother running this on meloetta to make her change into a physical attacker, there's no point
Triple Kick can be learned by Pheramosa and is no longer exclusive to Hitmontop
@@plazmurr but since pheromosa isn't in gen 9 it's back to being Hitmontop's signature, so it counts
And don’t forget that Triple Kick doesn’t scale, unlike Triple Axel
triple kick actually maxes out at 60 bp, but ye its pretty bad
also glaciate isnt bad. underwhelming? sure. but stronger icy wind could never be straight bad
@@EpiclyEpicGamer yeah Glaciate isn't "bad" in a true context, its just underwhelming
In Gen 1, Waterfall was the signature move of the Seaking line. It was a worse version of Surf.
I wish powder was given more distribution. Giving it to something like Volcarona would be a cool way to mix up offensive fire types.
I also need Gamefreak to change freeze to frostbite so bitter malice can achieve its full potential.
Gamefreak seriously hates the Frozen status and Ice Types as a whole.
Bitter Malice could've just had a measly 10% chance to inflict freezing, just like Freezing Glare, and it just lowers Attack by one stage.
You know what other cold-based moves lower Attack by one stage? Chilling Water and Bleakwind Storm.
Why even have the Frozen status if you're going out of your way to make it as useless as possible?
We live in an era where Badly Poisoned, Sleeping, Paralysis, and Confusion are constant thorns in our side; I think we can handle a status ailment that's just barely guaranteed to keep us frozen. Not even kidding, I once froze a Night Lycanroc with an Ice Fang while in a snowstorm, and it thawed out on the very turn that I froze it. And bear in mind, Lycanroc cannot learn any moves that can thaw itself out (not naturally, at least).
"Damn, I forgot to put Spore on my Smeargle. Maybe I'll get matched against an Amoonguss round 1 so I can Sketch it mid-battle."
Would that count as a DQ because now it doesn't match your team sheet?
@@DarkusFireBlaze3582 would Mimic also be a banned move? Ditto isn't banned. I think sketch would be fine.
@@matd2892I’m pretty sure they meant that it would no longer match team sheet for the rest of the tournament
@@cameronmyers5716 does sketch work permently on wifi battles?
Wow, you know, ive never even considered how all these smeargles are learning dark void from an event legendary... okay so yeah I think I agree that sketch would be banned since it changes the move permanently in battle. Is that how sketch works? I always thought it was an in game replacement.
@@matd2892idk if that’s how it works but I believe that’s what the joke was
An interesting way to address H.Goodra's would be to make it a Protect-like move that buffed defense by 1 stage when attacked. Not sure how broken that'd be competitively but it fits the move's intended design a lot more than just being worse iron defense.
Edit: Kinda like how King’s Shield drops the attackers attack
Or make it a cosmic power clone, buffing def and spdef 1 stage each instead of def by 2. Aligns more with the PLA version and gives a choice btwn it and iron defense, depending on what you want to do
Alternatively, you could make it like a variant of Curse (increase Defense and Evasion, lower Speed) or an inverted version of Shell Smash (sharply increase Defense and Special Defense, sharply lower Speed).
Salt cure should be a one shot 😂
Or just make it a Defencive Tail Glow
@@TheStormRxalSo…Cotton Guard?
As someone who loves Goodra and has it as their favorite Pokemon, I fucking despise what GF did to Shelter. They didn’t think of any other way to make it interesting. It’s literally just Iron Defense but WORSE
Could’ve easily been a Steel-type Cosmic Power
@@goGothitaLOL let him cook
They could've. By letting it raise one stage of both Defense and Evasion. Instead, it's literally just Acid Armor/Iron Defense, just with less PP.
And I don't care what any Competitive snob says; Shelter literally is Goodra retreating into its shell to raise its defenses and be obscured, so raising one stage of Defense and Evasion would not only be useful, it wouldn't be nearly as broken as raising both by two stages or something.
@@GhostGuy99 Well obviously it wouldn't be as broken as raising both by two stages😂 but still raising both by one stage is crazy. Pretty much eliminates the risk of clicking an evasion boosting move since the chance of survival if you're hit anyway also goes up. I honestly would have preferred if it raised defense by one stage and healed a bit (not as much as recover)
They ruined parting shot by giving it to incineroar
Fun fact: Barrage is one of the best moves in Mystery Dungeon, it has really good range and damage.
Unless the target uses counter (which is stupidly strong in PMD) and smack the attacker every time it hits.
2:27 of course Kinesis worse than Sand Attack, nothing beats pocket sand
just to shed some light on the gen 1 moves, both multi hit moves and trapping moves have some very unique mechanics back then. multi hit moves basically have a hightened crit rate (since if any one of the hits crits they all do), and trapping moves like clamp actually prevent the opponent from moving or doing anything. when cloyster clamps something it can't switch and just sits there as cloyster repeatedly clamps for good damage, and clamp is unique for being way stronger compared to the other trapping moves. if you get the full 5 turns and don't miss then clamp is a 175 power move with no drawback, which can easily put things in range of blizzard or hyper beam
It also has carved out a competitive niche for itself in RBY singles in part because of Clamp’s unique position as a non-Normal “wrap” move; Gengar is strong lead option and pivot in high-level play because it completely no-sells boom and wrap tactics, as well as popular staples like Hyper Beam and Body Slam. Any Pokémon with a boom or wrap tactic needs an answer to Gengar or it has to pivot out. For example, Gengar switching in on Golem’s boom just wastes a Golem, but if the Golem player reads the switch and clicks Earthquake, the Gengar will have a bad time. Well, Cloyster is uniquely positioned as a dual-purpose boomer/wrapper, and while Gengar can safely switch into all booms and MOST wraps, it can’t switch in safely to Clamp, because it’s Water-type. This allows Cloyster to reverse its losing matchup to Gengar, or at least gives it a safe button to click into a Gengar or similar counter that then gets it a safe switch-out.
Darkrai is running wild in OU as we speak. All because his signature move got nerfed to the ground. We must all suffer for Smeargles sins.
There's also Primarina signature Sparkling aria, a decent move with 90 power and also a sound base move, but the problem is that Primarina would rather use Scald, Surf, and even Hydro pump for reliable water stab, sometimes it can use a niche option in Liquid voice Hyper voice, Sparkling aria is basically the opposite of Scald, healing burn instead, which is extremely dumb since normally you would want to cripple a physical attacker with a burn for easier set up or for a teammate to take advantage, and that's the reason why Sparkling aria sees no use for Primarina
@@Grand-Master_Owl there actually some sets that use it though. It’s sound based, so if you want to run the throat spray it makes it so you don’t have to click hyper voice which is a spread move (and weaker if singles). But in general, true.
In Singles, Sparking Aria is the same as Hyper Voice but in some occasions worse due to potentially healing opponent's burn; with the only time it being actually beneficial is if opponent has Guts. So Scald (burn chance), Surf (stronger and also 100% accurate) or Hydro Pump (less accurate but much stronger) are better options across the board in Singles.
In Doubles, Sparkling Aria is just Surf but with weaker power in exchange for healing burns. Depending on the situation, burn healing can be either beneficial or detrimental, but in most cases, detrimental (healing opponent's burn is beneficial if it runs Guts and/or Facade, which is situational, and ally having to take damage to have its' burn healed may not be worth; and no, Water Absorb/Storm Drain Pokemon can't get their burn healed by Sparkling Aria). You could say that Sparking Aria, being sound-based move, can bypass Substitutes should opponents use them (which are more prevalent in Singles than Doubles, but either way not used much but still), Hyper Voice can do the exact same thing, while having the same power AND not hitting the ally. It can't heal burns but the effect being positive is situational enough to not matter much.
Sparkling Aria isn't 'bad', per se, but it is simply outclassed by other Water-type attacks.
@@Oscarus4250 Toxtricity should get Sparkling Aria - it fits the design so well and it needs more coverage Sound moves
@@איתןשי Still, doesn't make sense thematically. Aria is a musical piece for one voice, usually used and heard in opera performances (which matches Primarina's design). While Toxicrity is a guitarist; either rock one or metal one (I admit, I can't differentiate). Other than boost in viability, it won't do it any favors.
@@Oscarus4250 a lot of punk rockers (like Toxtricity) are also brilliant vocalists that not only can sing arias but actually do it... Think someone like Chester Bennington.
And having this move would be so good for a Pokemon that is completely countered by Ground moves - along with having a Poison sound-type move for the 2nd STAB of course
I think Spicy Extract is a pretty strange one. Scovillain's signature move which lowers the target's Defense by 2 stages but raises their Attack by 2 stages as well
As a midspeed mon, Scovillain struggles with both using this to boost an ally before the ally attacks or using this to cripple an opponent before your ally attacks them. Scovillain itself can hardly make use of the Defense drop given its physical movepool is terrible (its vest Fire stab is Fire Fang)
In general this move feels incredibly situational. Would have good synergy on a Opportunist mon and it does sorta combo well with Foul Play but in general its a pretty weak move that does not synergize with anything else on the pretty weak pokemon it comes from
I’ve seen it be used along side Foul Play to great effect, but that is still pretty niche.
Could Spicy Extract not work in doubles though when the ally uses Protect?
@@איתןשיit works if the ally has a clear amulet
Goodra-H surprisingly doesn't learn iron defense, but that doesn't matter because it learns acid armour which also outclasses shelter
Octazooka is one i remember from the top of my head that was missed. Horsea and grapploct got it later tho
1:25 ah yes, because everyone knows how prevalent Steel types are in gen 1 OU.
Magnetons are such a menace with that steel typing in gen 1
@@pugstickthey forgot about their steel type until gen 2 😢
some corrections:
darkrai was accidentally referenced as a legendary, but i'll forgive this
clamp was OP in gen 1 due to gen 1 weirdness(it prevented the opponent from moving while it was active), in a singles-only format, clamp can take down an opponent by sheer chance(wrap does the same thing)
darkrai was technically legal in series [REDACTED],but we don't talk about gen 8's chaos formats.
"powder" was accidentally shown as sing with sing's accuracy, though that one is hilarious because both have equally low usage.
Darkai wasn't in gen 8
@@MoxieBoosted OH,lol, I actually forgot that. woops! but yeah, clamp was a viable move in generation 1,but once it lost the ability to prevent an opponent's moves for up to 5 turns, it definitely became way less good.
I love gen 1 Cloyster on rhe ladder. Its not like the other "wrappers" either clamp is mixed in with its strange arsenal of tools. Body slam paralysis is the main thing that keeps it from being OP.
Mythical is a kind of legendary and I will die on this hill
Another one: Kinesis being a reflavor of Sand Attack is accurate for Gen I, but not after that (Sand Attack changed types). I would've compared it to a worse version of Flash, especially since Kadabra learns Flash too!
erm, actually (yeah, I'm gonna be that guy). H-Goodra doesn't learn Iron Defense per se, but instead Acid Armor (which still has more PP than shelter, I was just being a nuisance lol)
LETS GO SPIDOPS GANG SILK TRAP A GOOD MOVE!!!!!
Signature moves are always fascinating because if a pokemon gets it, it can often define how they're used if it synergizes with their ability/movepool, while other times they're jsut. There.
The answer to why they still nerfed Dark Void to 50%: because it still massively sucked in these formats that *did* allow it, there are doubles formats that aren't VGC; heck thing was toxic even in singles. Easy as that
Yes !!!
Ooh I got one: Twin Beam, the move that Girafarig learns that's required for it to evolve into Farigiraf. It's cool that it hits twice, but it's unfortunately an effective 80 base power, which basically means that no one is using it over Psychic or Psyshock
It does bypass focus sash, and I think a farigiraf running it recently did quite well at a major VGC event. But in general yes, psyshock/psychic are a lot better
It has fringe usage in breaking sturdy/sash, mostly singleplayer, but it does occasionally pop up as a fourth move on farigiraf
@@WalkinStereotype does it work on substitute? i could see it being useful like that
Focus sash Meinshao was a thing for a bit, so Twin Beam actually did see some usage to counter that
Saved me the comment, thank you!
Who's up Smelling they Salts rn
(no one because the move is garbage, Hariyama why?)
Since you forgot some signature moves: Fairy Lock, Eerie spell, Night Daze, Snap Trap, Meteor Assault, Ice Burn
Some not sure abt: Magic Powder, Trick-or-Treat and Forest's Curse, Freeze Shock (Kyurem B had no physical Ice moves than it for some gens), Spin Out, Doodle and Spicy extract, Bitter Malice
Isn’t Night Daze a stronger and slightly less accurate Dark Pulse?
@@goGothitaLOL 85 power 95 accuracy with a 40% chance to lower accuracy
forests curse / trick or treat / magic powder could actually be pretty good, you essentially have a way to control the targets type and always hit them for supereffective damage, it's just that they're on bad pokemon
In a world where Crabominable existed, Ice Hammer is definitely in the underwhelming camp. A retyping of a pretty mid move.
Except the difference is there’s a ton of good fighting moves but practically zero good physical ice moves
It’s actually easily crabs best ice move, but crab sucks so it kinda doesn’t matter
@@tbone6032Ice Spinner?
Even if it took them this long
@@goGothitaLOL that’s my point though-that move would be kind of meh if it was another type. The secondary effect is incredibly niche vs other staples like iron head that are just way better and you have moves like moon blast, flamethrower, earthquake, liquidation, etc etc that just hit significantly harder. It’s only 10 more power than uturn. It’s a great move because the other physical ice moves suck, but compare it to other types where the moves are just so much better. The only types that completely lacks moves like ice are rock and flying.
@@tbone6032 Ice Hammer was actually a beast in a playthrough though... With Crab's Attack it could almost always OHKO
Ideas for Revamps
Kinesis: Lowers the targets evasion and makes it so the following move will always hit (like Lock-On, except it works for ally's moves). It keeps its low base accuracy as a tradeoff.
Clamp: Increases the users Defense for every turn used, boosts wear off when the effect ends.
Payday: Deals double damage if the user is holding an Amulet Coin or Luck Incense, or if Happy Hour is in effect.
Powder: Affect both opponents, also increases damage taken by Fire moves (like the revision for Tar Shot).
Shelter: Sharply increases Defense, increases Special Defense, and lowers Speed.
Fillet Away: DRASTICALLY (three stages) raises the users Attack, Special Attack, and Speed.
(Z-Sketch was pretty good)
Also, some moves you didn't mention (with upgrades)
Vital Throw (Machop, Gen II): Reduced priority, cannot miss. (+ If the user took damage, deals a critical hit.)
Camouflage (Staryu, Gen III): Changes type depending on arena/terrain. (+ Increases Evasion by one stage.)
Triple Kick (Hitmontop, Gen II): Attacks three times in a row (+ Damage increases with each consecutive hit.)
Shift Gear (Klink, Gen V): Sharply increases Attack and increases Speed (+ Doubles the damage of Gear Grind.)
Glaciate (Kyurem, Gen V): Inflects damages and (+ sharply) lowers both opponents Speed.
Fire Lash (Heatmor, Gen VI): Inflicts damage and lowers the targets Defense (+ Has a heightened Critical Hit ratio.)
Noble Roar (Litleo, Gen VI): Increases users Attack and Special Attack (+ If the users stats were lowered this turn, sharply increases users stats.)
Aromatic Mist (Aromatisse, Gen VI): Increases Special Defense of ally (+ user).
"Water types not named dondozo were robbed with their signature moves"
So we're just ignoring Palafin or....
Is toxic thread worth mentioning? But maybe that's more an issue of Ariados's 40 base speed being too low for a speed control move.
What about purify, pyukumuku's signature move (heals your partner's status condition, which is both extremely niche and extremely low value plus it requires you to run pyukumuku), freeze shock and ice burn, kyurem black and white's signature moves (140 power 90 accuracy charge move with a 30% paralysis or burn chance, minor upgrade over sky attack but terrible for the same reasons), rolling kick, hitmonlee's signature move (60 power, 85 accuracy, 30% flinch chance, which is a straight-up downgrade from stuff like iron head, air slash and icicle crash) and shell trap, turtonator's signature move (150 power fire move but that requires you to get hit by an opponent's physical move to activate, generally a downgrade from counter since it has a type meaning it can be resisted, and if you want fire stab there are way more reliable options)
Pay Day should be buffed to Normal physical make it rain… or even just 60 BP spread to use technician
I cant believe you didnt mention thunder cage, but i wouldnt blame you if you just forgot it exists because really who remembers that regieleki has a signature move
9:42 funny u mentioned the whole kowtow kleave and false surrender being the same concept literally- so much so I combined them into one unique move for both of them in my rom hack 💀 and used false surrenders animation for a widespread dark recoil move
Some of these moves, especially the gen 1 ones, were meant to be early-level moves when they don't even have a full moveset yet. Even if it's just a copy of a different move or a plain worse version of other moves, they add some flavor to the opponents you fight throughout the storyline.
Not if they're all normal moves lol
The philosophy was different back then. Normal was really meant to be... "normal", which made other types feel more special.
Nowadays, having good typing has become the norm, so they only create a normal offensive moves if it's a move that changes typing or if it's the signature move of a Normal-type Pokemon
I feel like if Kinesis dropped the accuracy by two stages it would be great, maybe even a little over powered. But isn't that the point of signature moves? Like... sure in gen 1 Alakazam was one of the strongest pokemon already, and having that would be BUSTED. But I feel like it wouldn't be that broken gen 2 onward.
As a Raichu boi, volt tackle is one of those moves that makes me scratch my head. It's an AWESOME move. Except, it has recoil. That would normally be fine, but for pokemon as squishy as the Raichu line, it's not really a good choice unless you have some kind of healing setup. I know that moves with a power of >110 must have drawbacks, but like. I feel that decreased accuracy and crash damage would be a better fit for it.
Wow. False Surrender got power crept the very next generation, what's next? It's signature fairy move will be given to a Pokémon who's faster and stronger?
I think Spore should have gotten the Toxic treatment: Make it only bw 100 Acc if the user is Grass, 85 if it's not. At least it would force Smeargle to Tera in this format.
honey wake up moxie boosted dropped a video
A potential proposal for how to fix shelter:
make it have the effect of iron defense... while removing the user's dragon type for the turn, allowing it to resist fairy type moves for the turn. this being because hisuian goodra hides in its metal shell, meaning that probably wouldn't be hit as though it were a dragon-type.
TIL Veluza had a signature move...and how to say its name.
I hate this company bc of what they did with Shelter, i love Goodra and the Hisuian form could make her a good pseudo legendary
Rawr of Time being a Hyper Beam clone so obviously it’s mostly dud but then it also gets powercrept by Eternabeam (at least Eternabeam didn’t make it back got Gen 9)
this could've been changed i guess but i'm playing x right now and goomy can learn curse and acid armor as an egg move making shelter literally useless lol
Wow, not even Moxie finishes watching his own videos (0:19). Now I feel less bad about it.
It's absolutely terrible in comp, but Pay Day is top tier in Emerald Rogue. That's a Roguelike hack where money is in short supply, and fainted mons get dropped from your team, taking any TMs, tutor moves, and held items with them. Being able to rebuild can be the difference between wiping to a Gym Leader or not, and Pay Day lets you farm a meaningful chunk of extra money without risking your team against trainers. And if you do beat some trainers, you'll be ballin out of control and can slam Mints on everything while stockpiling important TMs (like Protect for your 4x weaknesses).
I'd legitimately rather start my run with a Meowth holding an Amulet Coin than with the likes of Mega Mewtwo, because the extra money from Pay Day is just that good for your whole team on your whole run.
Didn't finish the video yet but This Thumbnail Goes CRAZY ASF, like usual
I'm kinda sad you didn't bring up how partial trapping works in gen 1 when talking about clamp
Sing
55 acc
If using a fire move, terget loses 1/4 HP.
Literally how did you miss splash?
Now even though it's literally useless, it did however was used in swsh vgc where it surprisingly became useful
1. It’s not signature
2. It’s meant to be useless, including splash in anything like this is just a cop-out
Shell Smash only cuts the user's Defences to 2/3, not 1/2
make barrage a grass type scale shot with spdf drops and speed increase
Shocked that twineedle didn’t make the list
Signature moves are funny sometimes because nowadays Game Freak really wants to make every Pokemon unique by giving them, or signature abilities, to every 2 or 3 Pokemon. But then the old mons just... get nothing? And when they DID go back to older mons? ...Gen 7 came up with Toxic Thread for Ariados, and Fire Lash for Heatmor (which got de-signatured next gen with Salazzle and Centiskorch anyway). Take it or leave it.
"False Surrender" is such a cool sounding name though.
unpopular opinion: Dark Void can have it's accuracy buffed back up to 80 because it's currently hard coded to fail unless Darkrai uses it and Mythicals are never VGC legal. Heck, Smeargal can't even Sketch it anymore as of Gen 9.
As for other moves:
- if Kinesis lowered Accuracy by 2 stages, that 80 accuracy would be justified
- Barrage is trash. Needs to be buffed and made grass-type like you said.
- Clamp got nerfed due to the changes to trapping moves that were implemented in Gen 2 onwards. In Gen 1, running it on Cloyster was not bad since Cloyster couldn't learn any other trapping moves, and trapping moves were busted in gen 1. I think it's fine as tbh, but when you have the perfect accuracy trapping move of infestation which was a TM, all other trapping moves kind of fail in comparison
- Powder is trash. not worth using
- I like Tar Shot, but it is pretty niche and not very useful. I think the change you made makes sense
- False Surrender got done dirty. lol
- Shelter is disgusting in Legends Arceus, but in the mainline games it got done dirty
- Triple Dive should of got the Triple Kick treatment were it gets stronger on each consecutive hit
- Filet Away is just Belly Drum at Home
Shellter can be cool if it has the same pp as iron defense and lowers it speed, making it better in trick room strategys with body press.
Honourable mention to Luster Purge that was almost strictly inferior to Psychic until Gen 9. I’m also gonna propose some reworks out of boredom:
I think it would be cool if Shelter healed for 25% health. It would at least be a pretty good physical wall in Singles, I imagine. That or just boost Sp. Def by a stage or two.
Fillet Away could give maybe +4 in the three stats to triple it, so the reward is actually kind of worth it.
Now would it be cool if Pay Day did something really cool if the user is specifically holding an amulet coin? Make it like 150 base power that can’t be used twice in a row or something, if the user has an amulet coin, so there should be at least half decent counterplay.
Frostbreath is literally just worse ice beam
How I would improve some of these signature moves (besides simply increasing the move’s power or accuracy)
-Powder, turn it into a field effect, turning it from a move most effective if you are able to make a read that your opponent is going to use a fire type move, into a move that pressures the opponent into not using any fire type attacks
-Shelter, either give it more PP than Iron Defence, have it increase Defence stat by +3, or having it increase Defence by +2 and Sp. Def by +1
-Fillet Away, setting Attack, Sp. Attack, and Speed to +6 might be a little too op, it could set those three stats to +4 each instead if that’s more balanced
6:55 you called powder "sing"
If that tar shot change was in game then Tailwind tar shot eruption or heat wave would crazy
You asked who remembered Tar Shot: 🙋
But that’s just cause a meme poketuber used it in a goofy battle
Also: RIP Dark Void. Darkrai didn’t deserve the nerf
Darkrai payed for smeargles sins
dont forget that in gen 8, darkest lariat became a tr that grimmsnarl could learn, which is slightly stronger than false surrender, same pp, 100% accurate, and ignores stat changes, which would include evasion boosts. Like it literally just had a better option in every way (ig itd be better if grimmsnarl had its accuracy lowered, but muddy water never hits its fine)
Y’all remember magic powder?
6:49 wtf
Correction: Hisuian goodra actually doesnt get iron defense, but instead gets acid armor as an evolution move from sligoo, which has max 32pp instead of shelter or iron defemse's 16
I actually did well with a Powder Vivillon back in XY.
Everyone was running a strong fire type, like M-Blaziken or M-Zard, and Powder was +1 Priority. Not a SINGLE person expected it, and it allowed me to run a rather fire-weak team.
Once the format began to settle down and the meta started to form, fire types weren't common enough to keep running it, but I got at least some use.
Dondozo makes no sense to learn clamp, Barrage makes no sense to be Special
Pay Day would be sick if it hit say 2 or 3 times - if we take vanilla Persian unchanged with shit attack then a 180 BP move with technician - or more reasonably, make it 35 BP and hit 3x for 157.5 BP but yea
Or you could go the 2-5 hit route and make it 30 BP so it’s guaranteed 180 with loaded dice but requires an item slot you get the idea
Editing good st 6:57
Powder is a great move even for comp, just needs to go on more Pokémon- and maybe deal 50% instead of 25%
Darkrai is a mythical bruh
Maybe if they made Shelter also remove Goodra's Fighting and Ground weaknesses for a few turns (since its sheltering in place - ie what you're supposed to do during a natural disaster such as an Earthquake, and also sheltering from repeated blows), it would be an interesting option?
Or maybe just from Fighting, both Fighting and Ground might be too much
Octazooka is a move that exists
#justicefordarkrai #justicefordarkvoid
Another note is Feint Attack has existed since Gen 2 and is a 60 BP physical dark attack that doesn't check accuracy. Can you guess it's description? Lures the opponent disarmingly then strikes without fail.
In defense of Powder (Vivillon's move), it's actually better used in doubles when paired with a X4 fire weak Mon. Is a great duo with Scizor eliminating a weakness and Scizor usually eliminating anything that can kill Vivillon
Let me tell you this
Lava Plume Chi-Yu with Coalossal
Chi-Yu usually moves first,uses lava plume,coalossal is now +6 speed
Now it moves before EVERYTHING
Use a tailwind setter,maybe torkoal,flash fire monster like choice scarf typhlosion or ceruledge/armarouge
Win game
This dude really just winning, he got good aim, good hair, good voice, W mans
There are some other horrible ones. Galar Stunfisk has a signature move called Snap Trap that's a Grass-type version of Whirlpool. You might notice that G-Stunfisk is not a grass type. Bro just doesn't get STAB on his own special secret technique
Kinesis is such a funny move, like how do you try to lower the other mon's accuracy when you can't even hit 100% of the time at peak performance. I guess Kadabra/Alakazam can get distracted by their own bending spoon(???). Your not even lowering it by two stages or anything, Alakazam is better off chucking sand with those spoons than bending them.
Just as funny is Dark Void being the worst sleep move, making a balloon singing better at making pokemon sleep than the manifestation of nightmares.
I'd love to see some of these moves buffed later, but I don't know what they'd do for some of them. I literally can't think of how they would make Pay Day better other than letting it sometimes flinch the target, but at that point it's just a significantly worse fake out.
You missed Mat block, known as tatami flip in Japanese, which was greninja’s SECOND signature move. It’s literally just protect but it only works turn one.
Hey, Darkrai is still legal on Smogon Doubles, think of the poor DOU players who needed Dark Void to be nerfed... oh nevermind, turns out the move is still banned (technically Darkrai itself got banned in Gen 9 DOU because policy lmao) because sleeping both opponents is still stupid even if it's coinflip accuracy... It truly was one of the dumbest nerfs ever.
Dark Void could be more balanced if it was 80 acc on a target and dropped to 55 on two targets with Smeargle still not using it. Shelter should be like Cotton Guard outside of Legends Arceus imo
Spicy extract on Scovillian is EXTREMELY niche, twin beam on Farigiraf might be useful for breaking a sash but that's about it, Trop kick on Tsareena is ok but I don't know if you'd ever run it
Someone correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't fillet away work with veluza even if it's bellow half health. Could've sworn I've seen it been used to half the users CURRENT hp. Implying that veluza could use the move at 2 hp. Doesn't make the move any better but I thought that was one up side to it.
I just watched a Gen 1 challenge run, and the player remembered that Steel wasn't a type then. Oh, and I saw a thumbnail calling Gholdengo's ability banned. Then again, I'm supposed to think Sketch is bad. Right...
I will never understand the accuracy nerf to Dark Void, smeargle was the problem so just making it so that smeargle couldn't use the move, the accuracy nerf was just overkill
btw you made a mistake as Hisuian Goodra cannot learn Iron Defense, it learns it's poison variant Acid Armor which does the same thing which is +2 defense
Powder might have just a bit more of a niche if it lasted more than one turn...... hell, for something so situational and gimmicky, why not just have it remain on the field for the rest of the battle? God knows Stealth Rock only needs to be activated once, so it's not like they'll make Vivillon absolutely broken with such a tweak.
Hot take: All signature moves should be only used by pokemon that get it. For example: Behemoth Bash can be only used by Zamazenta Crowned, if Smeargle wants to use, the move will fail