What HAPPENED to the Franciscans??
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
- Compare the example of St. Francis 800 years ago with how his followers live today, and you'll find a bit of a discrepancy. What happened?
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Father Casey if Franciscans hadn’t adapted to society we wouldn’t be listening to you right now. I think that would be a loss. I struggle with my faith sometimes. Being able to listen to your lectures is so helpful. Perhaps it is the virtues that Francis cultivated that must be the common thread through the centuries. Humility and kindness. Authenticity, compassion, empathy.
You are in my prayers🤍
This is so true🥰
Anarchy
YESHUA CRISTO, Ave MARÍA🌹🌷🌹
Saints Francis & Clare of Assisi, have many sons and daughters. I've latched on St. Anthony of Padua, St. Joseph of Cupertino & especially St. Padre Pio of Petrelcina, or should I say, they have latched on to me.
The Benedictines, Franciscans, Carmelites, Dominicans, Salesians, Harolds of the Gospel & the Jesuits are all great to.
"Pax et Bonum/Peace and Goodness. I only fear my sins"
- St. Francis from Assisi of JESUS & MARY🌹🌷🌹
I absolutely loved your comment on the irony of traditionalism and modernism having the same flaw. Very wise observation!
I just want to say I owe you an apology. I made a negative comment on the first video of yours I saw simply bc I disagreed with one small part. After watching MANY more of your videos.. I believe you are doing something not only incredible but extremely important work. You are putting a good positive message / face on the catholic church. I do not agree with all of your beliefs but I have an incredible amount of respect for you and what you are doing here.
Glory to God, not many people apologise like that
I might not have left the Franciscans had I listened to this reflection before I departed a community that I thought was just too wealthy to be truly Franciscan. I was wrong.
I just want to take a moment to thank you, I found your channel a year ago and took a deep dive into my faith.
I had just lost my mother and sought comfort and meaning.
I found it and it was presented to me by you in a beautiful way.
I’ve now started the RCIA in my local parish and it is nourishing my soul in an amazing way.
Thank you so much Father Casey, your work means more to me than I can express.
Thank you 🙏
God bless you and keep you safe
My condolences for the lost of your mother,but one of the things to do is pray everyday for her SAUL and remember all the nice things about her and never forget her.God bless you and guide you through your lost.
@@pilarrusso2171 true
Thankyou! I am a OFS. Being secular I realize I am of the world but I try to be the best Franciscan I can be. Unselfish, humble and loving. It is in trying to be the best that I can in this world.
I never knew that story about St. Frances tearing down the house. Maybe you could make a video just about the life of St. Francis one day? I would love to hear more about him.
There is a film from 1972 called Brother Sun Sister Moon which is a biography of St. Francis and Ste. Claire.
You may also watch the movie "St. Francis of Assissi" easily available on UA-cam.
@@jimobara2652BS,SM is worth a look. It was criticized on its release for being rather romanticized, but l was impressed with how well it captured the Franciscan viewpoint. Zeffirelli directed it, right after his wonderful version of “Romeo and Juliet.”
Love you, Casey. No one needs to be perfect. We just need to keep Jesus and Mary in mind. Simply put - keep being a blessing. Keep God in our thoughts and actions. We are His people. We need to act like it.
Jesus, most certainly. God in the flesh. Redeemer of all nations. King of Kings. Lord of Lords. Name above all names.
But Mary? While she was blessed by God, perhaps more than any other woman in history, she is still right now what our Lord is not. Dead. Leave the woman who’s been dead for nearly 2000 years alone and pray in the name of our risen Lord!
One thing I don’t get is the insistence of ignoring the command in the Bible that says “pray only to God”.
I've said it before, I'll say it again: It would indeed be interesting to see you with a tonsure Fr. Casey😂😂. Please pray for me.
I've said it before and I'll say it again; of you think you're alive then you're better off dead (calm down, bring me the horizon song)
As he’s not a Roman Catholic Franciscan he wouldn’t have one, only true Roman Catholic religious have the tonsure and this man isn’t a priest , as he’s not received any order from actual consecrated bishop
@@dorcaswalker1867 ???? Why are you saying he isn't catholic???
@@dorcaswalker1867 That is incorrect. Fr Casey is an ordained Roman Catholic priest, a First Order Franciscan friar. The tonsure does not make the priest.
Interesting history, seems like the modern OFM could use a thorough re-forming towards its roots. It might help attract vocations.
I’ve already watched the video yesterday, but I’ll rewatch it again today anyways!
I thought I'd seen this on my timeline before lol
Is anything changed from it?
I thought the same thing also 😂
@@johncalabria1607 Well, for one they changed the title but I don't know if they altered anything else
i go to a dominican university and when it's the feast day of st dominic, a franciscan priest presides over our mass and we were told that the opposite happens during the feast day of st francis. i think the same thing happened to the dominicans and franciscans in that we're so different to our founders.
My uncle is the Franciscan (OFM) Provincial in my country and he is one of the most financially comfortable men I know. To me it looks just like a secular corporate job he has, except for being celibate.
Hi, Father. I am Roman Catholic. But I have a college friend who married a Franciscan Priest. Her husband got out of the Priesthood, which according to her, not because of her but because according to him, he couldn't see the Franciscans' spirit anymore. I was saddened by that and distanced myself from them.
I am a member of Franciscan Secular Order and part of fraternity council. And my reading from experience, it is a complete water down lukewarm spirituality. From God's grace, I have started to attend Latin Mass, which has feed my spirituality.
We need to pray, such order, serves God and not the world prince.
@@DigitalMan1100 I agree. I need to pray for the two of them too, which, because of my biases I withheld doing years ago.
I hope that you reconsider that distance. Sometimes we follow what WE want and NOT what God wants. Hopefully, God has spoken to this man and woman and they are truly in a blessed marriage.
@@DigitalMan1100 Amen!
@@rachael.t.deckard7459 Yes, I agree with you. They have a saved and blessed marriage. Sorry for the late reply. My notifications on comments and likes seemed to be not working.- September 29, 2024 3:03AM
I went to Italy in 2006. When I went to the church his relics and remains are kept in Assisi, his cloaks were so simple, humble, and poor looking. I eventually went down to the what is the basement, and his remains are kept in a casket inside of a stone box that sits in the middle of a small pillar in the middle of a small room, with a single knealer in front of it. Nothing flashy. Nothing that draws attention to it. Nothing that glorifies him as a man, but honors the way he lived; humble, simple, and poor because to him the Lord came first and so did others.
I ended up getting back to my hotel and broke down crying. Originally thinking I was homesick, but I think it was just how powerful seeing his resting place was, just perfect and simple. I remember kneeling there and saying a prayer to thank God I had the opportunity to be there, and to thank his son Francis for being a great saint to be a model for others. I was the only Catholic on the trip, and I would love to go back there and stay.
Father Casey, what a wonderful explanation….we must glean from the past , but listen to the Holy Spirit as well.
This is the greatest religious video I have watched so far during 2021.
Even St. John Bosco told St. Dominic Savio not to imitate the severe penances practiced by the Saints of the past.
Not everything that the Saints and their followers did in the past must be imitated exactly by Catholics in the 21st century.
The Church does allow for changes in times and circumstances, and adapts to new technology as well.
All these factors will have some effect on the daily lives of Catholics.
I contribute to Poor Clares of Perpetual Adoration in Tonopah,AZ. The Poor Clares are the sister order to the Franciscans.
I live in Cincinnati went to a Franciscan high school there is still a friary in town and all the events I love to go to still! I wish I would have paid more attention and studied the order more while I had the chance. Which is why I enjoy father Casey giving me a second chance!
It would have been very disheartening for St Francis to see the order he founded being changed while he is still alive. From what I’ve recalled he never forgave the friar that had initiated the change.
There is definitely a sense that he was heartbroken by the change, but it did not change because of one friar. By the time Francis died, there were more than 5000 friars in the order. It simply grew well beyond his leadership in directions he couldn't control. No one person (or group of people) is responsible for this.
@@BreakingInTheHabitThe fact you had to make this video proves that you know something has gone very wrong with the order.
Everybody else can't be Jesus ... Nor Francis...but everybody must atleast try... Cause Jesus wants us to be perfect like him ... It's only possible through him....so keep praying.
I wouldn't want our Capuchin bros over here walking barefoot when it's freezing.
Some do actually walk around with sandals in the snow...
At least they have the hoods and bushy beards to keep them warm.
Father, you made a small donation to the homeless. With your stipend I figured that if you could do it...so can I. We feed the hungry, help the hurting...offer Christ!
Reject modernity.
Return to monk-e.
change is necessary for growth in any path. but it has to be good change, unfortunately some changes are not good.
It's interesting to me why you had to redownload this video from the other day. What happened to the comments from me and others from that previous download? Did you find them so offensive? Did the opinion of people other than Franciscans clash too much, as a former priest told me, and not go along with the party line? Just wondering.
What did you comment before?
@@monicaambrosio2938 Since the original video was taken down I lost my comments and about a half dozen or so additional comments from others as well as my replies. My original comment as I remember most of it: Sure things have changed. Jesus rode into Jerusalem on the back of a donkey wearing rough clothing. Today a bishop rides into town on the seat of a Cadillac wearing custom made clothing. I also had a comment about the "good priest" mentioning how Pope Francis has shunned typical priestly garments and I replied that this pope has a net worth of $2,000,000 made since he was a priest and now pope. I was asked if bishops should be poor and I replied that they shouldn't live better than their average parishioner.
Thank you for the words about change. Perhaps you might lift up the changes Francis allowed with the 3rd Orders and the women of Clare. Bro. Ronald Nuss-Warren, Order of Ecumenical Franciscans
Wow Father Casey; I could not find the appropriate adjective. Incredibly clear lesson and admirable perspective. Wished that many today would listen to this video. I feel that under the “mystery of predilection” God has given you the light to see and ponder on these issues and you reciprocate by sharing with us. Well done!
This is only wordplay Casey, the fact is religious congregations only change to survive. Do not use the Holy Spirit as an excuse.
Thankfully, reformed Franciscan orders are thriving. Most notable are the Franciscan Friars of the Renewal. Soon they will be the majority branch of remaining Franciscans.
Gosh folks... why so much hate and animosity? If you don’t like Father Casey, watch someone else.
Re-upload?
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Thank you for the history and the progress the order. God bless you work
Fr. Casey, Many Thanks > Great perspective as always, and very helpful for the difficult times in which we live.
Do you think that St Francis would be the same if he was born this days?
This is a very good question . I think that He would not be so. We are also a product of our environment ; today the Church is already moving toward the ideal of evangelical poverty and fraternal love , which was inspired by the same St Francis . Back in his days , there was lots of laxity and corruption going on , thus the call to rebuilt the Church of Christ .
@@mi-ka-eltheguardian3837 very good point, thanks
Francis couldn't do what he did then in the same way today. Adapting somewhat to society and culture is just part of it, but it doesn't make it any less great. The 2000s is not the 1200s (or whenever he lived cause I forget) and that's just part of it.
excuses, excuses, excuses, just accept you don't actually want to be poor because you've never known poverty and be done with it.
the Holy Spirit told me to buy a new HD camera
The saint himself is honestly a madlad in Christianity
Wrong the RCC is not to conform to the world today its duty is to continue the traditions of the RCC not bend to heresies.
I'm not sure if you meant to comment on this video or it was meant for another. This has nothing to do with conforming to the world or heresies.
@@BreakingInTheHabit Father, you mentioned conforming to the world today. This is what I am seeing is the church conforming to the world as much as removing crusafixes and relics from RCC's.
probably not relevant to the video but isn't the man on the mountain picture in the background looks like a Minecraft painting?
I think it’s a picture of Blessed Pier Giorgio Frasseti … not sure if he was a lay Franciscan though
it is the minecraft painting
Amen
The censure and finally the excommunication of the Fraticelli in 1296 probably ought to figure into the discussion. There was a broad continuum among the Franciscans at the time, from standard OFM to the loudest of the Spirituals bent on declaring the institutional church scandalous and hypocritical. It seems to me the Fraticelli were singled out due to the threat they posed to the *political* power of the church. The greater effect, whether intended or not, was to force "middle of the road" Franciscans to adopt more acceptable (comfortable) lifestyles. The voice of the poor was removed forever, and the legacy of St. Francis became a hollow symbol. Suppression of alternative voices continues to this day. Study the actions of my friend, Fr. Jerry Zawada, OFM, may he rest in peace. In what way did any of his activities truly offend the core principles of Christianity? In what way did anything he did violate the expectations of our Holy Father Francis? How did his actions significantly go beyond those of fellow activists, such as Fr. Daniel Berrigan? I find in Jerry's life no offensive acts, and yet he was persecuted by his own province and eventually forbidden to publicly celebrate the Mass. Tow the line, watch your step...donning the brown habit means adhering to the narrow path set out by the institutional church, in many cases suppressing the possibilities of Pure and Perfect Joy. PM
Us Lithuanians in Toronto have a Franciscan church!
Im curious : if anyone knows the answer as i do not believe he will answer... this seems to be the second time this video has been posted.... on the last one i left a comment... did it all just get deleted and re-posted because he did not like the comments?
He replied to an earlier comment stating that there was a rendering issue with the previous video, so he re-uploaded it today.
🙏🙏🙏🙏❤️❤️
I wish you can be my spiritual director Fr Casey...
Say this yesterday?
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Why say yesterday when you can fix rendering issues today?
Just passing by... ⛵...
I'm not Catholic but still this is interesting to me
Did St Francis have the stigmata?.
Except, we have not actually changed that much.
Is this not the state of our church? Absolutely! Every age is an age of renewal. YES!! Those who want to worship as the early church did, probably need to to go to a Coptic service. Apparently they haven’t changed their liturgy since St Mark preached to them in Alexandria.
Saint Luke 14:33
So therefore, none of you can become my disciple if you do not give up all your possessions.
"If we had any possessions we should need weapons and laws to defend them."
Saint Francis
L.eave A.ll M.aterislism B.ehind
Nooooo nothing close to Saint Francis 🤷🏻♀️
The Franciscans are like what GK Chesterton said about Christianity -- Christianity hasn't failed, it's just never been tried.
If he didn't want it, it shouldn't bear his name, Period. Rationalisation is pure Satan.
I enjoy walking barefoot, and bit by bit my feet are getting tougher. It teaches me to be gentle and careful, and connects me to the earth. You should definitely try going barefoot... It will suprise you!
Organic, gradual renewal is a good thing. Sudden, rapturous renewal is disorienting, confusing, and often leads to misled flocks.
Perhaps you could differentiate and help people find the right anchor to the faith.
"Believe it or not some friars have studios and video equipment"
Well... are they not the tools of your trade...?
Why don't you do a simpler test or comparison if you are really serious about such things. Instead of comparing how you live to some abstract ideal of "poverty," just compare how you live, and how you work to how most of the parishioners live in a poor parish. Chances are you are living far better, and don't have to take the bus to work just to earn minimum wage, where you get yelled at by your boss. What matters are systemic inequities which allow poor conditions to continue, not how you feel about "poverty." Grow up.
Perhaps it is you that need to grow up. I am not Catholic, but I can tell you he addressed the issue without the sin you accuse him of. He simply answered a question that has been hanging out there.
You, on the other hand, attacked without knowledge of the bigger picture. You have not watched other videos from Breaking the Habit. If you have you have cherry picked the concepts so that you have given yourself enough to complain about.
Take a look at yourself before you abuse others, you will find plenty to fix in yourself so that you don't have to attack others.
No false gods. There is only one Christ.
I think most of the religious orders of our church need to go back to do fasting and penance. It's not just the franciscan friars.
why is poverty so revered
Poverty is the opposite of excess materialism. We could all do with less materialism.
Typically those who have less are more spiritual. Also the more you have the more attracted to the world people tend to be.
It is not the fact that they have nothing that is revered, it is the fact that they give everything away to others.
I think the Franciscans are going the way of the Jesuits. Getting a little too Liberal for my likes.
What? A Catholic explaining and justifying accretions?!
FRANCISCANS SEE THE SIGNS OF THE TIMES AS THE CATHOLIC CHURCH TELLS US.WE PAULINES DO EXACTLY THAT AS WE SEE THE NEEDS OF HUMANITY NAND MEET IT WITH THE USE OF MEDIA.
WE WILL GET OLD BJUTOUR MISSION WILL NEVER B E OLD. EVR ONWARD THE PAULINE FAMILY.....
Ive read a book how st. Francis in a vision of Fra. MATEO DA BASCIO, repeatedly saying, follow the rules through the letters and not its interpretation, and fra mateo saw a vision many franciscans in next life had lost their souls drowned to damnation because of their infidelity to the rule, even a franciscan who just owned a breviary could hardly cross the river that drowned the poor souls of franciscans died with pocessions. A FRANCISCAN should die with a handkerchief alone in his pocket, a single coin inside his pocket could vanish his soul. That was a vision of the Poor fra mateo da bascio. To the letter, never enterpret it.
Brace yourself for a hard hitting truth.
"A Church that married to an age is widowed in the next"
A modern Church will be a widow come the end of its age. A traditional Church is a widow in a modern age.
Simply ask yourself, 'how does one identify a window?"
All her children grow up and left and she struggles to stay relevant in the community where she built her life.
Now which one are we in if we lose sight of the Holy spirit? Does it even matter?
Theravada Buddhists still do begging rounds.
Sounds like bonaventure could have been a closeted Dominican or a wannabe Redemptorist or Jesuit 🤣
But love Francis for his canticle of the creatures…brother sun and sister moon, brother wind and air, sister water and Mother Earth
I have to say this is your least compelling video. Does the evolution of the Franciscans mirror the Church’s general slide to the mediocre middle. The slickness of your message, the polemics of your argument, even the elevator background music, are beyond the simplicity of Francis and of Jesus and his followers as well. Heck, you might as well be a Dominican. Changes happen, when they retain that central kernel of meaning, I can accept them, but don’t tolerate a change that makes you generic, just another identical piece in the great blandness
Father, I respect many of your moving teachings, but in this video you sound like a Jesuit. Lots of rhetorical bologna going on here.
It is possible to have a Jesuit head and a Franciscan heart. In fact, that's a good description of our Holy Father Pope Francis.
Why do you wear that?
Friends, there is NO "other christ", but only antichrists!
“Then if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or ‘There!’ do not believe it. For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. Behold, I have told you in advance." Matthew 24:23-25. Join the Orthodox Church, where we do not exalt men to the place of God!
Would any of the Saints of old have considered being called Christ anything other than blasphemy? St. Peter did not consider himself worthy to be crucified in the way Jesus was. St. John the Baptist, when the people said "are you the Christ?" said "No" and that he was not even worthy to untie the Christ's shoes. He did not say "I am another Christ", and Christ Himself said that there is no man born of woman, who is greater than St. John the Baptist!
Read 📖 this about jesus
Are you a homosexual?
Are you?
Lmao I think we all know the answer - modernist “seminaries” are chocked full of it
@@56Tyskie Nope.
that is not a question to be asking.
I don't think he is, but we should respect him in spite of however he defines his sexual orientation.
“Every day is a chance for renewal”. Nothing could be more Franciscan! I’d love to see you have a conversation with some Franciscan women (2nd and 3rd order) to discuss the feminine expression of Franciscan life.
Hello there! There is still a Franciscan community, founded in Italy, called Frati Minori Rinnovati They have a few communities spread around the world, such as in Africa and Colombia. Some of them still walk barefoot and, all of them do not receive money. You can take food to them, and additionally, all food is shared with the poor, sometimes not even too much left for them. Some of his founders, who are still alive, met Padre Pio when they joined their vocation. They depend on people generosity when it comes to medical assistance or other necessities. They are called "rinnovati" which means renewed, bringing back alive the origins of the Franciscan community.
There are also the CFRs, Franciscan Friars of the Renewal.
And the Franciscan Friars of the Renewal
The Marian Friars Minor also follow the primitive rule.
🤔.
I didnt get the logic here. In the beginning you clearly said st francis didnt even like the way his contemporaries acted, so why do you use the 'tradition vs modernity' argument? Also, as you already know how strict his standards were, why not just change the orders name rather than claim to still be franciscans? Honest questions and no offense meant.
It's wise to not get stuck on the externals. It is the Franciscan charism which continues to guide the First, Second, and Third Orders. The Franciscan spirit is one of simplicity, humility, peacefulness, and joy. It emphasizes poverty (of spirit) and service to the poor.
So if the friars go to heaven and meet st francis.... Would he slap them😂.....btw franciscan robe quite fancy than the time of st francis
St. Frances was one of those very godly men. His early life was quite decadent, his change in Christ was profound. A hard act to follow.
Franciscan friars of the renewal are hard men living radical lives at the edges of society
I went to a Franciscan school here in Australia and was raised by Franciscan Priests and brothers. Their wonderful spirit and unique way of spreading The Gospel has stayed with me all my life and continues to inspire. "Preach the Gospel always...Use words if you have to." Saint Francis of Assisi
As usual great stuff I am glad to learn more about the Franciscans and how they can impact our faith. I love this!!!
I had a smoke outside a hospital with a lovely young franciscian priest who joined a gang of us mostly patients and some visitors it was so Humble the way he sat down among us just like Jesus would have done back in the day I then asked him for a Confession he said sure no problem it was so lovely what he said to me maybe your just lonely he was bang on I love the Franciscian Order
Godbless Fr. Casey Cole! DEUS VULT!
From Filipino Catholic in the Philippines
Greetings from Poland.
Thank you so much for this! I shared this with some of my fellow Seculars!
The Dominicans, who started around the same time as the Franciscans, were much the same way. St. Dominic wanted the Dominicans to travel and preach the gospel and live much as the apostles, surviving off the generosity of others. But it was quickly realized that wasn’t going to work for many reasons. It’s much like you said the Dominicans and the Franciscans are not their founders. Many of their followers could only hope to try and live up to a fraction of their founders.
I think many of these changes have helped both to thrive grow and bring their ministries to many more places than they might have otherwise.
Exactly
let’s. Keep the Latin mass and prayers alive
Times are different from then to now,GOD bless you father Casey
. . . needed to hear this today . . . grateful for your talk . . .
But honestly most of the third prder franciscans and miraculously even the newly found orders of franciscans, followed nearly the rule, rather than the first order.
Wasn't this yesterday's?
I think Father changed the transitions of the video. Made the edit better
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@@BreakingInTheHabit is there a Saint for safe uploads we can pray to for you?
@@BreakingInTheHabit ... I confess as I watched yesterday's video, I started to wonder if you had decided to embark on a new twist to your editing style (and, by the end of it, felt as if I were over-caffeinated ... LOL!). Thank you for showing mercy on your viewers.
@@BreakingInTheHabit Thank heavens! (See what I did there?)
I don’t know Father….
One of the reasons I couldn’t join the OFM twenty years ago was that I wanted to be material poor and I could see that wasn’t going to happen.
God bless you
Yeah, but I still wish that the friars would go from house to house, speaking in public places, reaching people, whom nobody else would, and who would otherwise never meet living God... So that people would feel, that somebody cares about them...
Thank you. God bless you. 🙏
It's logical to adapt to the times as long as the purpose of the order remains strong spiritually. Too much materialism isn't good for the Christian life (whether religious order or secular). We have a lot more distractions nowadays than St. Francis had which I think makes it easier now to detach from God's First and Second Commands.
Great video Fr. Casey!
To me, Francis would’ve been what the rich man who questioned Jesus about “What good thing must I do to get to heaven.” I think Francis was the one who took Jesus advice.
Matthew 19:21
“Jesus answered, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.”
Cardinal HUGE CONTI better known as cardinal Hugolino warned Father Fancis your rule is to austere and those who come after you may not be as strong of spirit or mind to follow the rule. I think every Order has gone through changes Let us pray for the Holy Spirit to enlighten us as iam a Lay Dominican and truly understand the world is different today then is was in the time of fathers Dominic and Fancis God bless us all.🙏