This is the six-speed, twin-turbo NISSAN Z PROTO and I have A LOT to say about it
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- Опубліковано 23 сер 2024
- NISSAN Z Proto is essentially the new 400Z and this has to be said about it.
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I kinda like the simplicity. Also amazed the designers didnt put on a single fake vent is a huge plus.
That "huge plus" gave us this monstrocity in front
@@vanopaniashvili true
@@vanopaniashvili that monstrosity can be fitted easily with an intercooler
This a concept
They gonna add fake, useless vents for the production version.
Remind me!
Steve H just want a ducktail/BRE spoiler and of course grill change
I think nissan made such great job with the direction for this z. Instantly recognisable as Japanese car
Yes its amazing i love it i dont know why people dislike it
@@martys9568 they say it's too simple and that grille of course but they failed to realize where the design was inspired from. They always envisioned that the Z started with 350z and 370z so they're pretty much just kids crying.
John Fernandez pretty much, some kids wanting more lines and more vents stuffed in a car😂 they’re comparing it to the supra... the supra with all the lines and excessive curves and vents.. i think the z’s simplicity in design stands out so much
I’m pretty young I always loved the 280z one of my favourite cars
So seeing this is amazing I always hated 350 and 370 z’s always thought they looked chubby and small unlike the long and skinny 280z I’m so happy to see the 400 finally a car I can look forward too
@@martys9568 need an eye exam
That rear end is so clean. 10/10
yes! and the side view is perfection...they nailed that angle..
Too clean. Looks like an electric.
rear end looks so good man
Yeah. All renders before official design was shown in full looked so cringey and real one is so nice and modest while calling back to 300zx
Dont you think the top dips a bit too early and the general feel of the the top at the back isnt round enough? Probably just personal preference, but idk it doesn’t have that perfect harmony in my opinion.
*This car defines the principle of "Less is More".🚙*
Yes it is. But have you heard the tragedy of darth plagius the wise
@@neblolthecarnerd I heard Darth Zupra killed him as he vents his anger regarding his origin.
true
Anakin Skywalker yeah but it has a screen in it. So not really, too modern.
@@isaacsrandomvideos667 lmao funny how people mock the 370 for being too ancient, and now that they modernized it yall saying too modern lol
In most markets a front number plate is required, that will change the way the grill looks.
Ur actually right i haven’t thought about that
i see they learned from BMW's 3 series mistakes
But still
Very true didnt think about that lmao
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Toyota, are you taking notes?
This is how you should have treated the Supra.
FACCTSSS
nah both look amazing in different ways
Toyota likes to make a profit. The sports car market worldwide has never been this bad. If Toyota cannot make a business plan, then Nissan will lose money and continue swirling the bowl. Forget a new GTR, that's over.
Nah they should have just built the FT-1 supra concept instead of downsizing the car because of the BMW partnership.
So true
I love the look of the car, but if I were to buy it I'd def modify that grille, assuming that this is the final look of the car
I know people might have their reasons to dislike it, but if you really think about it, it's basically the same as a 350Z, but stretched…
@@r0b3rt_959 yes it is i don't get it why people hate the shape of the grill it look good even the 240z have it but it is splited
@@r0b3rt_959 Key word there "stretched" its all about proportions, etc. Its simply too tall. Slightly shorter with no other changes is already waaay better.
If you look closely, you can see that 2/3rds of the way down there is a bar splitting the grill already. I wouldve covered it with the same aluminum thats on the roof sills and stretched it to include the turn signals on either side of the bumper passed the square. Similar to the bumper/signal design of the 240 but more modern and integrated.
But im not a designer and will likely never own one of these so my opinion means absolutely nothing.
GG nissan, i hope you survive long enough to actually sell these things.
I'd put some little fangs in it! You see Miata guys do that sometimes, it's funny
*I was hoping you to analyse this gem*
I just saw you on a scotty kilmer video lol
would love to see how it would look if the rectangle was split like the original z.
Someone made it i think i saw it in tedfit somewhere
It will look very cool
This is what I wondered as well, even just a body color bar across the big rectangle, so it’s a smaller upper grill and a larger lower grill might mimic the aesthetic of the old chrome bumper.
Also, love that tee! Ordered one for myself!
It would kinda look like the Fiat 124
That would fix it. Hope Nissan tries it.
Remember that front bumper gonna have a number plate tho
Depends on where you live.
Not required by law in all States. Back plate are enough
Yeh tru i spose
Side mount like a bimmer
@@wd-media it is required by law in most markets tho
This thing just curses the whole time and so that’s it’s censor bar
J T 😂
It calling out the Supra 😂
Bro. That’s like the first thing I thought too lol😂
Lmao just a strip of duct tape
🤬 lol
This car has an alternate name: perfection
with that grill?
@@carlosandleon yeah?
What about it?
Yes it does look out of place and lazy,but with the context behind,it makes sense.
While Context isn't everything, looking at different angles besides Front,it looks pretty dope.
But again everyone has they're opinion on the grill.
But Design isn't what makes this Car great :)
@@carlosandleon The grille is honestly one of the most Z things about the car if we're comparing it to the 240z. The 240z also has the big gaping grille, but the bumper cuts it off. Nissan was probably trying to appeal to a lot of the people who modify old Zs and remove the bumpers, where the grille is essentially identical to that of the new Z proto.
That front grille is the most iconic part... but that’s my biased perspective, coming from a 350z owner.
The front of the vehicle starts to grow on me. I actually like the simplicity design of the new Z. I'm super happy they're offering a manual version unlike the new supra (BMW).
Its got a manual
@@demioxdtouring Uhhh the new supra (BMW) got a manual? Uhh no... not yet atleast. We'll just have to see whether toyota/bmw will give us "consumers" what we want which is a manual version. For now tho' nissan is lookin' great for its future with this car.
If only supra came with the manual than it would be perfect
manual as in manually dissapoints fanboys
@@sabyasachiroy7482 Yes you could be right but some will still dislike it cuz' it ain't a true Japanese car by toyota. The old supra was a true "supra" car cuz everything about it was made by toyota. I got nothin' against BMW but doing this move and calling the new sports car from Toyota and bmw a "supra" was a horrible move. Just sayin'...
I think ford and Nissan are on to something with retro styling. Im hoping to see more.
I find it amuisng that almost all the cool stuff in car desing world happens to be retro. And what is even more hilarious, it has nothing to do with nostalgia in this core
I wish car manufacturers would go even further back and start making 1950's inspired cars like the Holden Efijy.
So car design future is regressive.
16:33 looks amazing! Much more refined than the press pics
How does the 400Z meet regulations without a front bumper? I don’t think the front end of that car is going to look like it does now.
The same way any car with a huge grill does. There's a bar hidden behind the plastic grill.
Unpopular opinion: I LOVE the simple grille
same
My only gripes:
- Rectangle front grill
- 370z interior door handles
The rest is just
I’m a big fan for the grille since I’m a 350z owner. But I bet there will be plenty of aftermarket grille options to fix the car up to your liking.
@@pat7917 Yep the aftermarket is gonna be 🔥
that grill really grows on you. I love as it continues the cars use of hard lines. this is cutting edge design in my opinion
I liked that first redesign smh but the second is pretty good as well, this is quite a special car, really starting to like it
I agree gorgeous car if they made slight tweaks to that grille such as what he did or similar I would absolutely love 100% of this car but that grille is the only thing holding it back
I’m sure there will be a huge market for aftermarket grilles If Nissan does not change it.
This is the car I waited for years, it's rear is sooo insane..
Same! I’m super stoked. Especially if the base model price rumors are true. If this car starts out at 35k, then I’m cashing out some bitcoin to get one ASAP.
Agreed, I am not even the biggest fan of Nissan or Toyota but to this day the Datsun 240 Z and Toyota 2000 GT are some of favourite designs of any car, period.
That said when I look at this concept. I do see the 240Z nods but I don't know that I like it. I don't hate it but I can't work out what's not working here. Perhaps it might be the grille.
Edit: I think I know what it is. The car is a little stocky in comparison. I feel like if it was squashed down a bit. Or widend out a bit, it would be much better. Honestly I love the side and above profiles but I think it's mostly from the front like head on. It just looks tact on a bit. Maybe if they just did a bit more with the grille. Like pulled and curved out the front a bit more as opposed to the more abrupt looking ending.
Edit: True to form both of your redesigns have instantly done enough to complete it for me much better. I hope Nissan takes notes..
Yep, it's a nice attempt but the elements don't really mesh well or flow. their retro homologation has incongruities. Also, the new car will be longer, taller and more narrow than the 370. That means worse handling and response. Considering nissan is broke it'll prob be as heavy or heavier too. The fat grill is fake and the rear tail lights are too narrow and them trying to cram in the 300z oval rings in such a tiny area looks weird. 240z rear looks way better for this overall look. Forcing the 300z taillights pretty much sums up the whole concept overall.
Who Dat The Proto’s indeed longer, but the same width and actually a pinch lower than the 370.
@@Crono992 hmm all the specs I saw say taller and narrower
went back and double checked, my bad, those numbers were actually compared to the Supra which is less long, shorter and wider.
The real problem is proportions. It doesn't have the long nose that made 240z so unique.
God I hope Nissan watches this video the design is so close to being perfect those minor touches you made really take it to 100%
Seriously. I could even live with the grille if the headlight area was equally squarish or angular. But the curves don’t vibe with the grille. You either gotta commit to an element like that or ditch it.
If you buy one, you could wait for the aftermarket to make a bumper that looks exactly how you want it.
@Marcus McNeal - lol this shouldn’t be an issue for a guy with commitment problems like myself. It’s a match made in heaven haha
I liked the first redesign 😁 either way I'm stoked at my age now I can own a homage to the original 240 that I loved as a child. I will be getting the Yellow aswell!
I love that yellow color too. It sorta reminds me of my lime yellow 240z
If you loved the 240...buy one, they are still cheaper than this will be.
@@truantray currently one 240 for sale in my country for $80k
I was hoping you to analyse this gem 🙌🏻
The competition this car will bring to the car industry is something we aren’t ready for
C8
Jet X ha,lol sure
@Jet X - as much as I want the Z to outmatch the C8... i also want the car to stay affordable. No way a Z car is taking on a C8 unless you are willing to drop an extra 15-20K on upgrades.
The rectangle without any fuss is great. I love the simplicity of it, and it really makes it stand out among the more fussy designs that are common today.
I absoutely LOVE this design! The car almost looks like it has an aftermarket body kit. The tire letters also add an extra layer of fun and uniqueness. Can't wait for the production version.
I really like the front I dont get why everyone Is up in arms I think it's very beautiful and is very reminiscent of the 240z
I heard from a lot of UA-cam channels that they end up liking the grille a lot more once they see it in person. There is some complexity to the design that doesn’t get captured in some of the still images from what I hear.
Was waiting for this!!
Kamal Rushrush a lot of ppl were
I had the same observation. Easy fix is to color the lower half to get a sleeker front grill - body color perhaps or diff material.
I like the square grill, looks functional and gives the impression that the entire front of the radiator is getting the maximum amount of airflow.
Until you look closer and see that the lower half of it is blocked off.
Thankyou Sketchmonkey for skipping over the specs and talking about the design ♥️
and I think this car is so beautiful yet that square is a menace 😂 but in some angles it looks really good.
specs were not shared by nissan if i am not wrong.
@@JaspreetSinghArtist you are correct
@@JaspreetSinghArtist I meant in general it's better if he skips over the specs in videos cuz we come to watch the design aspects
Love the design modification! I hope someone from Nissan sees this!
I love it from the first moment I saw it, ESPECIALLY the rectangular air intake in the front.
I see you have good taste! Glad I’m not the only one who likes it. Reminds me of my 350z :)
Can always count on you to be real about these designs and provide a good breakdown. Keep it up man🙌🏼
This 20 min video could easily be shortened to one sentence: «look up Aston Martin Vantage Lime Green»
Much love, your friends at Rev Media!!
I really disagree with u
I love the new Z 😁 and the simple changes you made sir are amazing.
The critique on the front facia is spot on. It’s the same first impression I had - that it needed a bumper bar for the eyes to focus and rest on.
I think this new Z is absolutely beautiful the designers did a great job.
i actually like the square grill
vespers_ I think the square grill looks good from every angle except for the front view
yup looks good
Square??!....a toddler will recognise shapes better.
@@changsangma1915 Toddlers spell better than you.
@Chempu Sangma Lol are you arguing semantics over geometry? A square is literally a special type of rectangle - they fall within the same category.
Do a google search “Is a square a rectangle?” Click the very first search result.
Was waiting for this one!
*NISSAN, THANK YOUUUUU* for not doing what Toyota and almost every other manufacturer did. Thank you for *keeping the soul* of the Z.
I've never wanted a car as much as i want this one. The styling is just so simple and beautiful they really knocked it out of the park for me. I'll take the grill as it sits no issues for me.
I love everything about this car beside the grill
Romulas -Cushman project but, think about this, big fat intercooler.
To me,it still blessed to know nissan still remember about their Z car
I was waiting for this since I saw the stream and the video,the rectangle grill is my only real problem, but the rear is sooo nice. Overall very clean design I like it.
Honestly, I don't know if I speak for a lot of people when I say I don't know where to begin or how to even feel about this design, so I am really looking forward to your thoughts on it but for me I just don't know what to think about this design. it's just too different.
This car will give the new BMW... ahh...Toyota Supra a really hard time!
The front grill has grown on me, I love it now
I honestly don't think I'd change a thing.
I love that they went so clean and simple in the styling - especially for a Japanese design today, and especially for Nissan.
No gimmick, no reliance on extraneous details that shouldn't be there.
That grill is atrocious, it throws off the whole car which is quite beautiful btw inside and out... Your redesign makes it look much more cohesive Great vid!! 👏🏾👌🏾👏🏾✊🏾
Modern design of the Buick GNX
Use this as a poll
I dont know why but I realy like the grill and the overall look of the front. Might be because it doesn't look like its gonna kill you like every other new car these days.
I really like the design. I think the grill is daring in a good way and really stands out in today's market.
Exactly the car is perfect how it is now nothing should be changed adding those lines to the bumper ruins it
First time here - I really enjoyed your take. I appreciate a technical artist's perspective. My initial reaction wasn't very exciting but after sleeping on it I think it's brilliant. To me, a Z32 300zx owner and fan, this looks like a worthy successor to MY car, but with lines closer to the 240 which is very exciting. Not to disparage the 350/370, but I've never been remotely interested. I was hoping you'd try adding something like the front bumper from the 240, even if it was a just a split in the intake.
Also, as much as I *hate* to admit it because I really like the z32-inspired lights out back, someone 'shopped this and I think it looks SO good: imgur.com/a/jU8vGeH
Finally! Yes, that photoshop edit looks much much better. The taillight panel should have been taller and flat, not wrapping around the rear quarter panels. The proto Z's rear end just doesn't work.
Actually, love the design NICE
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@@ivangamer8022 😂
I think all it needs is a small yellow line that goes through the middle of the grille that acts a little like the bumper on a 240
I like the front. It makes it look absolutely unique in a world of fake vents. The back looks amazingly retro with the tail lights and the elongated black bar.
Also, wouldn't smoother lines by the sides make it faster, since there's less sharp surfaces to cut through the air? Meaning the air would just slide past it?
Everyone:
We will get the Nissan in 2021...
Europe:
Am I a Joke to you?
Your commenting style is a joke
@@edman79 really cool with GenZ idiots.
@@truantray English is an alien concept.
I almost threw up when I saw this. =o(
When you look in a mirror too?😜
Love your show! I watched the premier live and liked the Proto overall. The grill was a turnoff instantly though. Looks like my toaster oven waiting for a pizza. So I thought, throw a transition bar across the front or at least across the corners too break up the visuals of black hole. Even a neutral color on the grill would help. The grill distrupts the visual balance of the car overall, as does the extra sharp corner behind the rear wheel. I simplified my silver 350Z back in 2004, removed front emblem, molded mud guards, never added anything to it other than flushed out SF Winning Volks and linear CFLs in place of the front reflectors, LEDs were not quite there yet. I've always received nice compliments... Keep up the great design work!
Finally, the sketch monkey knows how to get things done. The front grill should be necesarily trimmed down to make front fascia looks pleasant in the eyes.
No the square is perfect , the bumper clearance is the same a the last z it’s stretched down
ㅇㅁㅇ lmao
Exactly
I think you need to make the grille a bit bigger 😂
Superb design analysis. I sincerely appreciate your explanation of where the existing design and logical alternatives for Nissan. I subscribed.
This is the first modern car I would actually want to own in a long time. I actually really like it's design how it is, I hope more modern cars will have a similar design philosophy in the future.
Agreed!
Same. I recently posted, somewhere, that a vehicle hasn’t come out since the 90’s that I really wanted to buy. Then, in JDM 90’s simple style, Nissan brought the new Z.
@@JH-qy7zw just hope it drives as good as it looks
Bro your first fix is perfect in my opinion. It looks even more reminiscent of the older model
They actually didn’t call it a concept. They explicitly said it isn’t a concept. They called it a “prototype”. However, that doesn’t mean this car is production ready. There still is a MASSIVE amount of testing and tweaking the car needs to go through. This car won’t be in showrooms until after the Nissan Ariya arrives in showrooms in the fall of 2021. The earliest we could see the 400z on dealers lots is 2022.
I honestly like your first sketch and think it holds to the original design really well! As for the bumper that was only ever on the American version of the car and it does look a bit odd without it, but overall most people bought a bumper ‘chin’ style splitter to break up the nose of the car and in my opinion that looks like that first sketch you made which I love!
This car gives me hope for the future of not just sports car design but also automobile design as a whole
Kudos to Nissan for their bravery to bring back the Z! And you improved on the design which is already dead-drop gorgeous! 👍👍👍
Love the design of the Z Proto. Nailed the proportions, continuous lines and themes, and didn't add superfluous styling elements just for "aggression" or add in random fake vents/lines like the Supra. This car will age very gracefully
The regulation about the vertical projection of the front bumper is due to pedestrian safety, when you hit someone at knee level it is now required that you also take them at the ankle, so it's a more "even" impact, that can be quite easily solved here with a color separation, but then it will also look at bit more like the new vantage, where you only have the top half of the bumper visible.
Am I literally the only person that wouldn't really change anything about this Concept?
I love the shape, the simplicity, the lines, the graphics and... yes... The rectangle
I think Nissan could do a lot to break up the front grill by giving those little rounded rectangles in the grill some body-color pinstriping. You could see that they gave those little ports a silver finish, so they don't completely disappear in the dark void of that big rectangle grill, but I don't think it's enough. Maybe full chrome pinstriping could work to brighten them up, but I think body-color would be a bit more modern.
I love it. The front might not be the most popular but personally I really like it and how it has so many old design ques from the old versions.
so clean, no extra graphics. iconic and beautiful
Thats it bro, ur hired for the Z design team! ur renders look Fantastic! small changes that add to a more Finished look, thats the right word for it...the lines looked clean but unfinished...ur detail really makes a Huge difference for the better... Hopefully nissan is paying attention preproduction and will take feedback to heart.
I'm also a car designer as you. I agree with most of the things you said but I also like the original theme. As you know, the Nissan designers and leadership has been seen this model in full size for more than a year and I'm 100% sure that something very similar to your proposal has been presented as a "safe current" execution. Not counting the hundreds of sketches they had produced until they got to this point. The raw rectangle in the front is different and unexpected, creates a sort of "something is missing" but at the same time gives the car a signature and you end up liking it after seeing it day by day. Awesome job done by Nissan, but I will keep my 350z for a while as it never gets old....:)
تصميم جميل من نيسان ، صراحةً مثل ما قال سكيتش مونكي أنه من الرائع أنهم أستمروا على نفس النهج في تصميم موديلات Z ، و لم يلحقوا ترند الموضه الحاصل الأن في تصميم السيارات ، all the best Sketch monkey your fan from Saudi Arabia.
The original Z did have a rectangular grill. I think they are trying to bring it back to the S30 (240,260, early 280). I just hope they will offer some more aggressive styling add-ons.
The design overall is so beautiful. Clean lines and smooth curves, a breathtaking silhouette that reminds me of the Aston Martin Vantage, but it's all ruined by that square grill...
I love how you made it look Aston Martin-ish/Ferrari-esque with those nice touches. Very exotic and flowing. You have such an artistic eye. 🥳
I love this car! I like how it's aggressive without looking angry. It's so clean, sleek, elegant, with a subtle muscular look at the same time. The profile view is incredible, obviously reminiscent of the 240z. I actually don't mind the grille, I agree it could be tweaked a bit but I don't know if I would go as far as adding additional intakes, I do really like how clean the original design is.
As a previous owner of three z cars I am happy to see Nissan has taken this step but your sketches at the beginning of your video represent a much better appearance from all angles.
I remember seeing the 240Z back in the day at Anderson motor co. It was love at first sight. The new one also!
Wow it looks a thousand times better with your photo shop work dang what a huge difference
Maserati, Nissan and Ford are making some real progress and i love it.
Really hope they keep most of the proto’s features for the full release. It grows on you so well - maybe it could steer the ship away from the lexus-bmw complicated language for the rest of its lineup
What that grille needs is a subtle, brushed aluminum bar going about 3/4 of the way across it, just below centerline. It can emulate that roofline metal.
I love the simple aesthetic. I’d possibly be open to see circle fog lamps next to the grill on each side to kind of offset the square grille and feel the number plate will break it up further
Let's just appreciate the fact that Nissan made a new sports car after 11 years with manual transmission and no electric motors in it. The car is very well designed, despite not being 100% perfect. Comparing it with the new BMWs or Mercs with oversized grilles or lights put in weird angles, this looks like the heaven of 2020s car design.
Totally loved it.
Upon first glance the grill was a shock to my eyes, but I think it will be more appreciated in person. There are some pictures that are doing it some slight justice, but I think in the flesh more people will get it. After seeing your alterations it actually made me appreciate its simplicity and helped my eyes see that it plays to the overall clean and simple look as well as adds an understated boldness to it. So I guess it's officially grown on me. Lol
BUT, I was hoping you would go more in depth about the overall design and success points. I for one LOVE the magic they created with the side sills! I think that small detail along with the rear bumper trick sets of the understated aggressiveness of the car from the side and front 3/4 views.
I love what Nissan has done to the new Z it's a perfect hybrid of traditional and modern design. The front is a great example of Form and Function just imagine the airflow through the engine. Nissan and Ford have been on point on their designs for modern Twist on Old designs.
It's funny, as soon as the unveil event was over, the first thing I did was sketch a new grill on my phone. I followed the lines of the hood/bonnet to angle the side of the grill inward, added a radius to the top corners, and added some lights under the headlights to memic the signal lights of the 240, but they also were similar to the placement of the lights on the 370 Nismo bumber.
Also, subscribed.
Yes the big black square needed some softening. Maybe OEM or aftermarket changes like body colored grill pieces, the brake vents as well. I think the headlights could use some massaging as well .. the inboard/hood side corners softened to be more 'ovally' ala the 240.
I LOVE the simplicity of this Z Proto design, and I don't think your redesign did any favours to the grille. I just want the bottom corners of the grille to come inwards a bit, and maybe the top corners to be slightly more rounded like on the 370Z. That way, it's not a rectangle, and visually fades away towards the bottom like on the 240Z.
And I want the headlights to be perfect almond shapes (vesica piscis) and only have two 'corners', removing the inner ones above the top DRL LED. Other than that I REALLY like this design, glad to see it on this channel and hats off to Nissan for a job well done!
My first impressions where “I expected it to be more of a melted cheese design, but I like it, a bit square” but your redesign is spotted on, I really like it
It looks similar to yet better than the F-Type. You're probably right about something going in those empty spots on the front before production starts. Maybe a small LED fog light hidden inside vents similar to the ones you did. I liked your touch-up, especially at the bottom of the intake where it meets the chin spoiler..