Here’s why the Gordon Murray T50 is the ULTIMATE modern McLaren F1
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- Опубліковано 23 сер 2024
- Here’s why the Gordon Murray T50 is the ULTIMATE modern McLaren F1
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#gordonmurray #t50
Mid engine V12 with 6 speed manual and central mounted driver seat.
Everyone: "I've seen this raw power only once before."
F1: Who are you?
T50: I'm you, but better
4 litre v12!!
@@DefinitelyNotEmma
More like: "I'm your true heir."
Definitely not Emma I read that as “but butter” at first. I think I will keep it that way.
😂👌
Imagine buying a mclaren speedtail and then this comes out lmaooo
You still get 3 seats and no physical mirrors lol
Edgy Car yeah but it looses the driving experience. It’s not a manual, it’s not analog and featherlight like this car, and the engine is far better on the T.50.
@@edgiestofcars same with the t50 tbh
they're totally different cars. the speedtail isnt about the riving experience like this. its all about top speed, low drag.
Cameron Miles I know
The fan/turbine on the back looks a bit odd but honestly it's such a sick car🔥😍
Turbine is sick, totally cool
Your right it's sick it's disgusting.
@@soulsnatcher5408 that's your opinion but personally I like it
The oddness grows on you. Just like the Zonda Exhausts, the Boxy Chapperel 2J, or the long Charger Daytona. Otherwise all cars look the same, and if you know what the fan does, then you know its very cool. Let's face it the car would look a bit bland without it.
@@BilllB well said my dude🤘
9:50 They didn’t lose their confidence, they just lost Pininfarina
underrated comment lol
Well said 🙏🇮🇹
"...Mona Lisa of the combustion engine era." Love these vids by this guy. Well done!
yes, that comment is priceless.
Beautiful words yet a depressing thought.
This engine, Murci engine, LFA engine and Carrera GT engine
PLK Without great engines I believe they’ll be less and less people passionate about cars. Because when you see kids excited by cars on the streets, they are always initially excited by the noise or scream for them to rev the engine. That’s what made me a car fan as a kid.
It's an encarnation of excellence, amazing.
I cant believe i lived to see this day, Gordon Murray really put a lot of passion in his design.
T50: Enters Chat
F1: OMG it’s been while what’s up!!!
SpeedTail: Leaves Chat
True!🤣👍
Stop comparing Speedtail to F1 or T-50. Apart from central driving position, SPeedtail have NOTHING in common with F1. It was not even meant to be a successor of F1
@@thecompanioncube4211 dude relax it’s a joke jeez
The best car i've seen in a long time, simple beautiful design, brand dna and a "backstory", and a manual V12, it is just a pure car.
It's undoubtebly '"The successor of the legendary F1'"
And it's a worthy one
Me only 20 seconds into this video hearing what SketchMonkey just said:
You had my curiosity but now you have my attention.
So of Leonardo’s best acting besides “What’s eating Gilbert Grape”.
Mclaren F1: Are you winning son?
T.50: Vrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
This is the approach Honda should have taken with the modern NSX - staying true to the original concept and style.
Thanks for an awesome video.
Was waiting for this . I think it's pure and unique . No lines and no rubbish . Just plain simple.
Sir; I want to shake your hand. You clearly know what you’re talking about in every sense of the word. Brilliant video.
I can´t unsee the mr2 in the front
I can’t unsee the mr2 spyder headlights on the front of the car
True, I was wondering what it was that I was looking at. There is no beauty that hath not some oddity to it.
haha, I am happy I am not alone!!
Looks more like a Cayman to me.
Heh, I just commented the same thing before reading this. Glad I’m not alone.
I’m not the only one yes
The Ferrari P80/C, SP2, and Roma look good.
No, the P80/C is an ugly Ford GT/Ferrari Clone and the Roma grille at the front looks very cheap...😉
@@einautofan6685 A 😉 makes me think you really think I have good artistic taste 😉
The Roma is now the king of supercar design...
I agree. The Roma is a beautiful car but it looks like an Aston Martin, which is not a bad thing I suppose.
@@BrianGriffen71 hey they're all linking styling clues from one another.so there's hardly any original styling anymore..
Given that there will only be 100 of these and if this car eclipses the McLaren F1 in all ways then it will be frightening to how much these will be worth in 10 - 20 years time considering that this is likely the last analogue Super Car that Murray will design in his life time, what a man, he is leaving a hell of a legacy behind him here, big respect to him.
100% agreed about Brits taking the crown over the Italians in automotive design. They are the ones putting out the timeless looks, while Ferrari, Pagani and Lamborghini are styling their cars to an extreme that becomes less about beauty and more about competing over who makes the crazier looking car.
Lamborghini was always about that, Ferrari lost its way and Pagani is just ugly
@@DefinitelyNotEmma You've got a point there, any thing post-Miura was all about extreme styling. Ferrari has definitely shifted though. Case in point are cars like the f355 Berlinetta or the 360 Modena, compared to the portofino or the f8 tributo. Somewhere around the mid 2000's they lost their way.
@@matthewdeguire472 the F40 (Simple geometry), La Ferrari (fitting Design for a Hybrid Supercar) and the 488 (scratches the border to overstyling) were also pretty neat. The can't stand cars like the F8, SF90, Enzo, FKK X and the other bunch of limited editions and one offs though. But yea vintage Ferraris were really beautiful and able to capture the essence of Italien style and emotions.
I love it, "Sculpture on wheels"
The T50 is beautiful because of it's honesty and simplicity. It lets simple lines, bare materials, simple contrasts between material types divided by those lines. The shouty bits of most supercars and hypercars are missing, so the elegant stuff speaks. Also, love it or hate it, Gordon Murray doesn't care - I love that. He knew it would sell, so he didn't have to design for the customer he could design from his interpretation. It would have everything he felt should be there and nothing it didn't. A few cars get to be elevated to the status of work of art, this is one of them.
Really happy with this new t50, does the f1 some justice. I've asked many times, but please redesign the Mitsubishi 3000GT! First gen (91-93) is best gen! And also if you do, include a pic of the Mitsubishi HSX
@E Peen I did see it, but I can't like it. Why make a curvy car angular, it makes no sense. It's well off from being a 3000gt successor in my eyes. What I love most about my VR4 is it's beautiful curves, I don't want sharp creases literally everywhere. The concept is nice for what it is, just not as a 3000GT
The top of the T50's headlights are awkward looking, the front of the body is too low of profile, but the the track variant's ground effects will probably bring balance to the design.
It seems it is that way by function. GM claims those are the best headlights of any supercar.
@@srinitaaigaura Best headlights of any supercar, as in technology, or packaging therefore having the best functality using existing technology ? Also consider even with the lighting elements staying in the same place there are creative way to change the appearance of the headlights.
@@gen1c8rs88 I also feel that the headlights could be smaller. Maybe they could put eyelids at the top like in the F1 and make it look a little less wide eyed. But Gordon would never do anything without thinking about it. That's the only part of the car I feel is bigger than what it needs to look like.
srinitaaigaura that’s exactly what I was thinking covers to go over the top of the headlights that’s all I would do though I love that car
I feel the T50 would look much better is it's headlights were similar to the F1.
I still prefer the McLaren F1 in terms of styling, but I do really like the T.50 as well.
The front looks incredible but the back is too high for me. The fan is what redeems the rear...😂
I think its because the rear lights are so high, if the stretched down to the bottom of the grill in a sort of oval shape I think it would balance it out much more
Because the back of the T50 is housing a very big and steep angled diffuser for the big fan to be used efficiently, even the exhaust is designed upward to accommodate it. The irony is, thanks to fan and the big diffuser, the overall design of the car can be simpler and elegant without a big front splitter and canards.
I wish he would have put twin tail lights at the back like the F1 too
I love t50 rear thou
Love it. Just wish the front was a little less MR2 Spyder
Oh I just commented the same thing and then saw your comment. 😂
They really couldve made the front better.
Oh god I can't unsee it now ffs 🤣
2.5 mil for a MR2 lookalike?
I'm so glad you mentioned the 612 Scaglietti, one of the most gorgeous modern Ferraris in my opinion and hardly anyone ever talks about it. Perhaps because it's their 4 seater GT it gets less attention, but I think especially from the side it's STUNNING.
The design of the rear Looks like it could be Batman's daily driver
"Nice car."
"You should see my other one."
The rear looks like a Zonda
Gordon *is* Batman.
Still think the F1 (which was actually designed by Peter Stevens) is the better looking car!
Agreed, Its (T50) a bit too much curvy wervy, I prefer some of the harder lines on the F1, just looks a fraction more planted and purposeful.
It is. In my books at least.
@ATS599 THIS
Absolutely. The F1's design is much more iconic. But the T.50 is still a pure engineering wonder.
Indeed, I dont like how Murray seemingly takes all the credit for the F1, and Peter Steven's is completely omitted.
I love it. But not cause I'm drooling over the design itself, it's secondary. I like it for what it is, a v12 NA 6MT supercar with updated and thought out fan tech from the days when Formula 1 was exciting, that might show us how capable a modern day F1 successor can be. And I can't wait to see any prototype runs or any lap times when it gets closer to proper testing.
One night in a bar, brabham bt46b met McLaren f1. Later they dogged and got the GMA T.50. How lovely.
the f1 design is timeless, it could be released today and would still be a very striking design
I was waiting for exactly that video ... I am not disappointed!
The interior also kinda looks like a modern McLaren. The button layout. The screen gauges. The steering wheel. The seat. It all *screams* McLaren.
Won't say it's completely modern... Since Gordon Murray hates Touch screens in cars
But a modern McLaren is an overpriced shitbox.
People are going to realise that there will always be a market for analogue cars like the T.50. This is not the last of its kind.
His british design and ferrari snd lamborghini statement were on point. Respect
It’s the engine response I cannot even fathom. What is it like 12,000 RPM in 0.3 seconds or something? It’s almost triple that of the F1. Insanity.
Ride a 1000 cc race bike. Watch it eat this car alive!
@@stevewellman3154 nobody cares
@@stevewellman3154 bike aint comparable to cars
Gordon Murray strikes again. Clean lines, naturally aspirated and a manual box. Why does nobody else build cars like this anymore?
To think these two cars are almost 30 years apart and are aerodynamically so similar is astonishing.
4:17 the F50? Lol
ahahah you got him
@@joat9105 and later on he called it the T5..but its fine I guess :D
It's another heavily underrated ultimate driver's car from Ferrari
7:41 the T5 lol what
Thank you so mich for keeping up this great content!
I would be really happy if you tried to redesign the Nissan S Cargo. I’m sure you would do really well.
The fan on the back is the only thing that ruins the look for me
THE HEADLIGHTS ARE NOT AS AGRESSIVE AS THE F1 EITHER
The outlet should have been squared off to fit into the back of the car better. It's so awkward.
I rather take F1 lol
The F1 had 2 fans as well and i don't se you complaining about that...
Mr. Rice
But the fans weren’t as painfully obvious as this new car
Hi SketchMonkey, I'd just like to point out - I love cars and find the T.50 a beautiful and worthy successor to the F1. But when I was watching your video, there were too many ads in the middle. I lost interest in the middle of an ad and switched off the video. Sorry mate, you gotta do something about how YT ads might be actually driving viewers away from your vids.
use website not app
I enjoyed your comparison of these cars. And I enjoyed it because you showed how similar they are as well. (:
Thank you.
That F1 design is timeless.
This is the new pinnacle of 'old school' car design
The McLaren F1 is such a beautiful car
The T50 will be an instant classic. You're right about Ferrari though. Since they dumped Pininfarina they have lost a huge amount of elegance in their design. The last truly beautiful car they made was the 458.
McLaren should immediately hire him back
The F1 looks way better than the T50, the F1 is a legend
You should look at the 1998 Alfa Romeo GTV for its lines and clean look. The T50 is a masterclass, when one man has control of a project it can be something special.
The F-1 is beautiful and perhaps the greatest car ever built (many people who know far more about cars than I, believe so). The T-50’s V-12 engine will be spectacular, and already makes the V-12 in the Valkyrie look outdated, and I’m sure the T-50 will be spectacular to drive, but it doesn’t wow me as much as the F-1 did/does in terms of styling. The F-1 is all the more remarkable when you remember it’s over a quarter of a century old. Incredible. Wish I had a spare 25 mil lying around!
A little bit of Porsche in the front, a little bit of Aston Martin Valkyrie in the sides, a little bit of Pagani in the rear, and 100% McLaren F1 all over!
Also, the front bumper reminds me a little of the F1 GTR Longtail.
Such a beast! Precision tool. Wish I could own one...
I wasn't fond of the design when I first saw it when it was revealed. I thought it looked like a generic supercar you'd see in GTA.
I'd suggest go watch any in-depth video (preferably Harry's Garage's video) with Gordon Murray because it's after hearing the designer's intent and philosophy is what made me realize how gorgeous this car is.
Such a beautiful video. The car, the history, the knowledge, etc. Thank you 😊
T50 is sick, but im still choosing the F1 for the looks and how raw and bare bones it is along with that BMW powerplant.. but thats what I fell in love with nearly 20 years ago playing NFS on PS2. Holy crap time flys..
it might be statistically better but nothing will ever beat the pure beauty of the F1
Your content is verry good keep going
The T50 have better makeup, I love the smokey eye effect in the headlights 💅
Lmao I thought the same thing, it looks like an angry goth chick. I think they should make the headlights a little closer to the body color, too much contrast maybe. Imagine if the t50 were white
Hearing Gordon Murray talk about the design has made me realise how many things I dislike about modern designs. A few key things, angry headlights, over size wheels, massive grilles, ugly complex rear diffuses, exposed carbon fibre & pointlessly complex tail lights. This car is like a design lesson on wheels. I can only hope that it proves a positive influence to other car makers.
F1: Who are you?
T50: Hi dad.
F1: I don't believe you. What's your mom's name?
T50: MR2.
F1: My boy!!!
Even though I will probably never ever be able to drive one of these. Or any extremely pure super car. I'm extremely happy that it exists.
Ferrari and many other companies are mainly targeting the new asian market where it's all about status and being better than "the neighbor's kid", a whole generation was raised that way and marketing departments know that they are old enough to afford their own cars now
"Exploring a rock formation..."
Yeah its kind of a dumb rock haha
"...that has been shaped by the wind for over a thousand years"
Jesus Christ hes right and its cool to think about it that way i am impressed
The only thing i would change is the fan design and placement of exhausts. Apart from that it's perfection.
I literally thought this was a Doug DeMuro video before I saw the thumbnail and channel name xD.
F50, T5, J643
Dude can't get the name right to save his life!
Have to admit the Ferrari Roma lines look very nice - the best Ferrari design for a while, nice and simple rather than the recent busy designs.
I am very happy for your reaction video. Essentially the Mclaren F1 is respected. And I agree on your opinion about the Ferrari "Overstyling".
It is the F1 Gordon Murray wanted to build in the first place - without compromises - at that time he took what he from literally F1 and put it into a street car. This is no different - it is still tech from the 90th Formular one cars - even older with the fan. It is...a Restmod better F1 brought back from 30 years ago. It is not groundbreaking, new - not really breathtaking is it.
But - he earned it to do this dream project. All the flaws or compromises he had to build in - according to himself.
But I am sure it will be the essence of a driver car. Who will be able to get one will be very happy and it will rise in value for sure.
Honestly I'd like to see more F1 in it. the front bumper, the side slits.. and taillights changed a bit so not looking ferrariish sticking out from rear. I really like this tho, more than the other actual modern McLarens. The F1, Diablo, and first gen Viper are some of the best styled cars with their striking proportions
No, my friend, it is the epitome of *The Car.* It transcends all the other Cars with its grace and power. All others aspire to it, hoping to become one tenth of essence of the T.50.
Beef up the torque numbers a bit so the excess can be used to make it a torque driven parallel hybrid, with capacitors for "boost" contactless/"frictionless" motors, and tiny gearsets/torque multipliers/converters to keep the electric wheels from losing all their grunt at high-speed/high rpm, make their casings double as "coolant baths", make the system as absolutely ridiculously lightweight as possible, find a way to drop like, 50 or 60 or so kg from the car itself, and boom way faster, and even moreso the epitome of cars/motorsport.
@@3xeplodng_3agle_studios Swiss cheese monocoque for max old school weight reduction. As Murray himself said, there's nothing lighter than a hole. There might be concerns for torsional rigidity though!
Level 1 crock: imagining how a car will look like if it was made today.
Level 15 hitman: drawing the modernized version of the car in photoshop.
Level 100 mafia boss: making a modernized version of the car in real life.
The Mclaren F1 could somehow go 240 mph with less than 700 horsepower which is something I wonder if could be done again.
Have you ever considered taking a look at the Aston Martin Valkyrie? Love your vids :)
This legend of cars will amaze the world this is how highpercar should be...those cars that are fast only at top speed don't deserve a name of highpercar they must make another name for those
Great work of art with the only downside that the front looks like a 2002 Toyota MR2!
Why don't manufacturers make central driving position supercars like the T50, Speedtail and F1?
Talking about the last part of the video...I'd like the next era to be synthetic fuels keeping the main idea of ICE, but eco friendly, not electric, but meh...you can't always get what you want.
Great video.
800 HP out of 4L(3980cc) or 200 HP per liter naturally aspirated = F1. But for a road car combustion gases polution and noise pollution get in the way, as well as low rpm performance for road way cruising, but one can dream.
British cars really are beautiful...
DB11, Vantage, McLaren GT, 720s, Speedtail, Lotus.,T50...
And I say that although I'm a fan of American and German Sedans and especially Wagons (much love RS6)
Peter Stevens, working for Gordon Murray, did the F1 design.
I love fan!! Awesome that it reduces drag more than it costs power.
Let's design a race car, electric, making the most of this effect!
Formula E are barely as quick as F3 but on a normal race track would run out of battery in like 10-15 minutes without crazy casting which it already does on those glorified kart tracks.
Let's design an electric race car that keeps pace with the fastest Lemans prototypes over 24 hours. Battery swaps. Maximized aero for drag, maybe setting a limit to downforce or a spec body to ensure it doesn't get crazy. AWD like LMP1H perhaps to get more regen and acceleration for lap time.
Two such fans and optimized rear end and floor for racing. 1 seat only will help. One side rather than center like Panoz proto? Should be lower drag.
Better batteries exist already. Tesla will soon up the energy density a lot. Add a small LMP or F1 battery for regen and acceleration if needed for heat management, even if heavier.
Who's with me? Let's make something faster and cooler. F2 and Lemans winning worthy.
The front n sides 🔥
Kinda eh at the back.
Front reminds me of Porsche Cayman a little.
funny thing is this is as small as a cayman
Yep, I see a bit of Porsche at the front too! That's why it looks good!😉🤣
@@lor7780 ok! I'll contact you after catching ur soul✌🏼
From the front quarter this car is so timelessly beautiful. I really don't like the rear though, admittedly mostly due to the fan.
Did he said 986 kg?? Holy sht... this car must have a massive amount of downforce to make up for that number.
God I love this thing even more than i thought i would...
Its got fans that make a sort of "suction" with the road, basically moving air, by force, to make downforce
It doesn't make that much at all. Maybe 200 kg at most. Just enough. GM doesn't make track cars for the road or vice versa.
@@srinitaaigaura its not GM as in General Motors but GMA as in Gordon Murray Automotive. The man is a legendary formula 1 designer. He is credited for some of the best race cars of his era including the Brabham BT46B and the McLaren MP4/4 . He also designed McLaren F1 road car.
Why would it need massive downforce to make up for light weight? That makes no sense.
@@jamesengland7461 He thinks it's a track car that needs massive aero grip for lap times. He should pay more attention to what the professor GM has been saying.
The famous industrial designer for McLaren F1 was Peter Stevens. I could not not find the one for the T50.
I'd be stoked if Peter Stevens is also responsible for this T-50, just because!
The new DeTomaso . Stunning , NA V12, manual .
I agree about Italian cars, Ferraris where the most beautiful cars (except E-Type and 911's) from the 90's back to their beginnings. Today they're over designed. Porsche in the other hand is perfect, great balance, consistency of design and performance, elegant. The T50 is amazing! Along all the technological stuff and aerodynamics, that manual transmission is Epic.
Mclaren F1 +Porsche Carrera GT + Pagani Zonda
This is the most exciting car to come out in the last 10+ years. (The R35 was pretty revolutionary, the Veyron was a huge jump in car tech as well.) It will probably remain that way for the next 30.
Chiron? Senna? Agera? Demon? Rimac?
@@DefinitelyNotEmma not really. Those are just cars that were born of the useless race to speed and numbers. Murray doesn't care about numbers, he doesnt know the top speed nor 0-60 of the T50. True numbers of the F1 have never been revealed. This car is all about driving and simplicity, not 1600 hp or 0-60 in 2 seconds. Realistically, no one cares about those numbers. This is a true driver's car.
The R35 made supercar performance cheap, and the Veyron was just impressive because no one hit those numbers in a production road car. But it should have ended there.
@@SALEENS7GTR5 well, the Demon gives unrivaled acceleration for a car with a combustion engine and is literally an affordable Dragster. The Chiron is the absolute pinnacle of elegance, luxury, design and speed, a technological marvel unrivaled my any other car until the recent times, the Rimac was the first real electric Supercar, a huge step forward and a first of its kind. The Senna is supposed to be the absolute Track car, rivaling cars that take part in LeMan and GT3 races, it's designed to achieve the best performance in corners with an extreme amount of downforce. When you really think the R35 was something revolutionary or the Veyron, than all of these cars are too, probably even more cars than I mentioned.
Let me add a new one: the Corvette C8 made not only supercar performance but also supercar settings cheap
Manual six-speed, midengined, lightweight naturally aspirated: a stick shift Zonda. Timeless and unbeatable for me
t50 looks great , so clean and beauty , but the front light can be slightly lower placed, and slightly smaller
I 100% agree the car is stunning and the front end is the best part.
Lets face it, it's easy to make a car look good by chopping its roof, muricans custom build did this for decades but making a low roof car is not good for driving. Gordon Murray design its supercar for driver enjoyment so he kept a healthy greenhouse and aimed for great visibility up front and all around. One could think large glass and low car should make for some not so pleasant to the eye car but the great designers here were able to design this fantastic car within those contraints. It's the exact opposite of those big grille monstrosity we see everywhere on the road now.
Finally i think the T50 only "problem" is the F1. I can't say which one i prefer form a design standpoint. Sure the F1 lower bumper is a bit busy and the side panel are not as light to the eye as the open design toward the front wheel of the T50. But there is something, partly through the headlight that makes me enjoy the F1 a lot. Only the wheel size and design are a bit problematic in 2020 which is an engineering headache because smaller wheel are better for handling. Maybe just fitting carbon wheel or wheels with a sleeker design at the same size on the F1 make it hard to beat.
If you don’t know the batteries in the lotus are actually going to be where the mid engine would be, up keep the same feel.
Funny how the Senna was not included in the cool and elegant British designs ;-) I watched Carfection interview Gordon Murray, the guy is a walking encyclopedia of car knowledge and truly interested in every detail of the car.
The Gordon Murray T.50 is a masterpiece of automotive engineering and design. Why people are looking to Bugatti and Koenigsegg is beyond me.
The guy who designed this car is literally the same guy who designed the F1 so it makes since that they look similar