@@kkeezer yes we all have a budget to one extent or another, its what you can put up over the course of years and not touch, you def keep 2 diff piles one to shoot and one to save. If I ever had to dip into my put up pile I made myself pay it back double. It doesn’t happen over night but after a year and beyond you can really watch it grow and its a beautiful thing! 🥺
Exactly what I came here to say. I like having the ability to laugh when some news media calls someones 1000 rounds of ammunition an "ammunition hoard". Haha 1000 rounds, that's cute.😂
As Uncle Ted says, "You can never have too much ammo". I thought I was going pretty well with it until I talked to someone that actually laughed when we talked numbers. I thought he was just giving me a hard time until he showed me one of his storage locations. 😳 He unlocked the door and I swear I heard a chorus of "AHHHHHH". The wind started rustling. The birds all hushed. The clouds parted and a golden light shined down from above.
Dang, I'm late. I was gonna say that. Because to my family there is no such thing as too much ammo. EDIT: I had to read your comment twice on your friends ammo storage (It's my birthday and I slept in, so barely awake). That is a beautiful description, LOVE IT.
We lost power for a week after a hurricane in 2017. I had what I considered at the time to be enough supplies. Not knowing when the power would be restored, running into problem after problem, and then taking into account what I had on-hand, I felt naked and unprepared. Luckily I had 2 years of preparation before the Plandemic was released. Every purchase I've made since those days has taken into consideration how I felt during that time. I have quadrupled what I had back then, and it still feels like I'm missing something, so I'm constantly tweaking my inventory and supplies. It's a never-ending battle.
As ammo has become more and more expensive, I have a rule of thumb that I go by. When I go to the range to do some training/plinking/target practice, I take 100 rounds per firearm. If I take 3 firearms, then I take 300 rounds. It could be 100 rounds of 9mm, 100 rounds of 5.56 and 100 rounds of 38spl. When I go to purchase more ammo, I purchase 50 rounds more than I shot. Ex. if I shoot 100 rds of 9mm I replace it with 150 rds of 9mm and so on. This way I am always growing my stockpile.
Thanks for your insight. Everyone is prepping for something different. SHTF, EMP, Civil War, Invasion, Natural Disaster. Everyone has a current financial situation. Buy and store what you think you will need for your situation and consider the space you need to maintain an inventory. Just have "something" so you and your family are not SOL if something happens. Remember your location (Urban, Suburban, Rural) will also have an impact on type and use. Some people will also say - ammo is cash - but I prefer not to let anyone know that I have any.....your call. My 2 cents.
Simply put, you really can't have too much, so long as you can safely and practically store it. There isn't any trade-off or downside to storing ammunition--it's not perishable and will only go up in price as the years pass. So the answer is really as much of every caliber as your budget and storage locations permit.
Another EXTREMELY important question. How many magazines per gun is the minimum? You can have 10,000 rounds of 9mm, but if you only have 2 (10) round magazines......🤔🤔🤔🤔
Depends on what you plan to use shotgun for. Likely to use snares or 22 for rabbits and squirrels, but there are generally numerous ducks and geese around here. Not going to use buck or slugs on birds or small animals. Coyotes or larger get buck or possibly slugs, but I’d most likely use rifle for those.
Damn people overthink things!!! Get what you think you need and what you can afford! Don't go in debt, don't neglect your family and home and continue to enjoy life and prep what makes you feel safe. If a situation occurs where you need 100,000 rounds of ammo, that's combat!! You are going to probably die anyway. 500-1000 rounds per gun should be enough. Protect your family, home and property. If more is needed you will probably die anyway, prep food, water, prepare you home and property for defense. Pay off your debit and be self sufficient. Stop overthinking this and get your life squared away. Everything will be okay.
My opinion regarding self defense ammo for your handgun is way less than 500-1000. If things got bad, you would not be using them at all for practice. I run my magazines out once or twice a year now. If times were tough, we wouldn’t be shooting anything unless we had to.
I still think its important to keep extra self defense ammo though, if you are in your home and need to use your gun. Better to only have one or two walls to patch up versus every wall between where you shot and outside.
My thinking is that it can depend on where your home is located, what part of the country you live in and what the demographics are. On one end of the scale if you live in a rural area 30 minutes from a small city and up in Nebraska, your threat level is low aside from road blocks. On the other end we have a homeowner living in a cookie box neighborhood where the homes are 6 feet apart and it’s in Atlanta, GA city limits next to a large apartment complex and in the summertime. The downside to cramped communities is the risk of fire. A single Molotov cocktail will destroy everything you’ve worked hard to acquire to be prepared. If a roving gang is beat off by a high volume of weapon fire, they’ll simply burn you out from a distance by setting fire to the house next to you.
You are 100% right! Gangs and thugs will be like a pack of wolves. They will burn you out or wait you out. You have to sleep, prepare food, maintain your home and property. you can't be on guard every minute. Time is on their side. You will have to have friends and neighbors to help. You can't defend yourself long term. You will need friends, family and neighbors. Work together and live.
@@EagleRun23 I agree. In a SHTF event, shooters/defenders can't be choosers. Otherwise, throw rocks, thoughts, prayers, & good intentions at them??? Can't tell me a well placed FMJ headshot or direct thru the heart won't be effective.
I like to keep, at a minimum, 1k rounds per weapon type (i.e. 5.56, 308, .22, 9mm, etc..) put away - plus target/plinking ammo. I typically keep about 10k rounds on hand, but here in Texas - my numbers are low compared to many.
1k per weapon type is the very bare minimum you should have. To have a good amount do like 3k per round or more. Again 1k is the very bare minimum you should have. And 1k isn’t really all that much, you can shoot all 1k in an hour or less.
There is a lot that can be said for having similar actions/configurations in different calibers. This allows for the majority of your training being done with less expensive ammo and fine tuning with more expensive ammo. You can find weapons chambered in .22lr that duplicate weapons chambered in larger calibers.
Only time you can have too much ammo is if you have to bug out and you cannot take all of your ammo. And you can only take what you can carry. Other than than there’s no such thing as too much
I can’t bring myself to go to the range and “waste” ammo anymore. I already know how to shoot. I’ve had classes and plenty of range time over the years. Hopefully I won’t get too rusty.
I have been through several ammo shortages over the last 25 years and you know what trend I have seen? They last longer before they recover and things get back to normal but at much higher prices! One thing these shortages have taught me...get into reloading and stack the components deep!!! I am still using primers I paid 3.99 a 100 pack and powder that was about 20 fun dollars a pound! Now they are about 9.99 a 100 pack and powder about 32 plus fun dollars a pound. Just some food for thought...
I was at the pistol range today. I had my $200 Bersa Thunder. My next door neighbor had a Glock 45 acp. I was hitting 1 steel target, then hitting the next steel target, one right after the other. I was about 15 yards away from my targets. He was about 10 yards away and took several seconds to try to get his aim on his targets. He hit his targets maybe 20% of the time? I hit my targets about 85-90% of the time in rapid succession. So your comment is spot on.
I have a similar, but related, saying: Do not fear the person that has practiced 10,000 martial arts moves, fear the person who has practiced ONE martial arts move 10,000 times.
Makes no sense to me. You spend 9000 rounds of ammo trying to hit the target and you’ve only got 1000 rounds of ammo! You should be able to learn how to shoot with just the first 50 rounds! Learn the correct technique with the first 50 take the next 50 and enjoy shooting just that simple Save your 10,000 rounds for later.
I keep inventory to help keep track of what I have where and I’ve got the rough estimates. 22LR - 10K+ 9mm - 3K+ 7x39 - 4.5K+ 7x51 - 2K+ .556 - 5K+ 12G 1,710 Various loads Plus a few odd balls ranging from 500 - 1,000+ The Mrs does not always agree but she understands, it’s my hobby and a security deposit
@@HatsuneM1ku01 not concerned with random people online. This is also last recorded 8 months ago. It’s been increased in every category. Cleaning supplies, reloading station, storage, bullets, bandages, beans, and bourbon stacked high. Let someone FAFO
There is no amount of ammo that is enough. If you think about it, it's probably the most precious thing on earth besides food and water (and the Bible)
Minuteman minimum 1K per firearm. For me it comes down to practice time. Considerations 1) purpose/function of caliber 2) weight 3) size of round 4) cost. Honestly one thing many forget is consistency I.e. lot numbers. I haven’t been a fan of getting the cheapest or random boxes from various suppliers because accuracy.
@EagleRun23 it can get expensive fast I.E specially ammo as you noted. I used to have lots of different calibers and rifles 243. 270. 30-30, 762x39. 308, 30-06, 762x54r, 7mm, 8mm you get the idea back in the 80’s with surplus ammo things were great. One bad President = I went NATO standard and sold all of the rifles + cases of ammo to replenish in fewer calibers but a wider variety. Same with handguns and shotguns. I miss having a big collection but figure it makes more sense to KISS 😉
I have bought ammo at times from the 1960s starting with 22s ,then I got into reloading 12 ga number 4s ,BBs,,6s .I bought slugs, and double OO buck.I bought 223s ,and 9s, to much to store into one safe. I will tell you this truly I am in my 60s now and have enough ammo to last me the rest of my life and my son will enherit the bulk of it.i haven't bought ammo since the 90s and I still shoot. I bought a lot when there used to be sales .the government created the shortage because if they can't confiscate your guns they just have to cut out the ammo to make them obsolete and frustrate people hoping they will turn them in and many have for cash
The only thing I have found is that the 200gr bullets start to tumble at about 300 yards. They are made for that short acp barrel not the 28" barrel of the CVA Accura Plains Rifle.
As a retired combat vet, it depends on whether you plan to use it primarily for hunting, currency or self defense. If you think you are going to get off 10000 rounds of ammo in personal self defense scenarios. Your probably mistaken. Your luck will run out before your ammo.
I say 1000 rounds packed away for each gun. Then around 500 rounds each for training. If SHTF ever happened, you would not be practicing anymore. People would hear you and come for your guns, and ammo. You will stay as silent as possible at all times. If you had to move locations, you would not be able to carry much with you.
I base all my preps on a single common factor that spans all sorts of crisis-- the trucks will stop rolling. From a trucker strike to an asteroid strike, that holds true. What you have on hand is what you'll have through the crisis, because it is too late to run to the store or place an order. It is the same for every stock-- food, ammo, clothes, medicine, water treatment, paper products, batteries, etc. Get as much as you can of everything you need. Try to keep a balance of goods, instead of going all in on one particular prep, ie. get a year's supply of everything you prep, then expand as you can, keeping that balance. Don't get overwhelmed, because NO ONE can do everything. But we can all do some things... start there. glhf
Like food, gasoline, income… and ammo (and its components) are all a finite resource. And replenishment is a critical axiom just as serious as the aforementioned. 🖖🤨 It is a Logical Imperative.
The way I do it is my storage ammo are in 50cal cans 5.56/.223 can hold around 1,200 or a bit more 9mm in 50cal can is 2,200 plus some. My range cans are 30 can cans I for 5.56/.223 can hold around 600 rounds and 9mm is 1,200. For shotgun I just have buck shot and have them in a 50cal can about 250 12ga shells will fit. My chest rig has 6 30 round magazines ready to go. And I have 3 spare in my gun mags always full. 9mm I have my “battle belt” with two magazines but total 5 mags always loaded one with federal HST for carry.
Right now I have roughly 3000 rounds of 9mm and 223. 1500 of 7.62x39 and a few hundred of my spare calibers, being 7.62x51, 45, 10mm, and 12 Gauge. I'm working on stocking up in case of another ammo shortage like 2020.
More is always MORE better...have a plan, not just for yourself but for your family as well, if your a family man. Have redundancies (rule of thumb) 1 is none,2 is 1, 3 is 2 etc...practice, train,...remember the 7 P's. Proper Prior Planning Prevents Piss Poor Performance. You've heard it said as well...practice makes perfect (this saying is misleading) * PERFECT PRACTICE makes perfect. One can practice, practice and practice some more...if your practice is half-ass so will be your performance. This message is paid for by the US Marines ;-)
Primary weapon M4 carbine: 5,000 rounds of 5.56, long range weapon: 2,000 rounds of .308, short range shotgun: bull pup 12 ga. 500 rounds, sidearm 9mm 1,500.
Over the last few years I have been watching and reading a lot of the different opinions that have been expressed. I think after all of this is that you have to look at what your individual needs are. If you’re a young person with or without a family your needs are going to be much different than someone that is retired. I think this holds true in pretty much of anything that you feel that you need to stock pile. Bottom line is do what you feel is right for you. But don’t cry when things are no longer available.
I can't picture any scenario where I would survive very many shootouts. If I tried to hide at home and someone tries to get in and I end up shooting him eventually someone is going to come looking. My walls are drywall. If people start shooting I'm done. I'd like to know how all this goes down in your scenario?
I am not really saying my video was for SHTF. You are talking more of a combat scenario, thats out of my wheelhouse. I am just wanting to have supplies. but you point is fair and is a valid discussion we could should have.
I started awhile back, buy a box a payday. If I'm working a job where I get paid weekly adverse to bi-weekly I buy a bit more. If you have a million rounds and only use it for hunting you should be set lol!
I personally like to have a minimum of 1k per weapon and reload as well as stock rotation so as not to let my stocks get old and not function properly I do keep mine in a cool dry storage always keep a good supply on hand and I'm also ready to make more at any given moment
I'd like to add to that, speaking _strictly_ in terms of a firearm as an investment, priority effort for calibers that often become difficult to find when the market is disrupted. Should I want to part ways with my AK74 or 1895 Nagant revolver, I know I'm stocked deep enough on ammo and mags I can put a compelling combo together.
While I say, as many do, you can never have too much ammo, I have (right now) about the amount you recommend, but more self defense, and been doing more dryfiring, still... Good starting numbers. Gonna get mine back up, where I "personally" like 'em...
if too broke for ammo... stock up on components... they are as good as ammo and not inflated. When shtf... components will be worth 80% of the real deal...except u can get them for about 25% of per ammo price
Minimum is 1000rounds of FMJ and 500rounds of hollowpoints per gun and 10mags per gun. Once you reach that you double it and so on till you literally run out of room to store it all When you go out to shoot you buy what youre going to shoot without touching your pile. I never touch my pile unless i need to and going out to shoot isnt a reason to touch it
yes sir, we did a series of 8 or so videos in July covering a lot of bases and I have two live streams coming soon in September for preparedness month! If you want to see more topics, I can track down experts and get them on! thanks for watching brother!
There is never such a thing as too much ammo you buy more than you can ever possibly need and keep buying it and weapons, too because one day you’re gonna have to use those weapons on the enemy, whether they be foreign and or domestic or both
As long as you can afford it, the only time you can have too much ammo is if it is in your pack and you have a long march ahead of you or you go overboard from your boat...........................
"He who does with the most Ammo, Wins" There's no such thing as too much ammo. I'm sitting on a minimum of 2,000 rounds per caliber I run. For 5.56 and 9mm, I'm over twice that, and I'm still adding as I can.
Ive always taught my kids if you go to the range and plan to shot 4 boxes, buy 8 and put 4 in the safe. Plan to shot 8? Buy 16 and put 8 in the safe. If you are going to buy 2, buy 4 and put two in the safe. You will build your stock of ammunition relatively painlessly and never have to worry about ammo shortages. Rotate but dont deplete your stock.
The question is valid, the answer is a ludicrous amount. 8+ k of pistol min. Rifle is stacked deep. Reloading is the way! I took a friend and his wife out, we went though 200 in about 2 hrs with my pistol. That was a short day.
A past editor of Handguner magazine several years ago can up with a good plan, I think maybe after the second Obama shortage. If every one who shoots goes out every payday and buys 1 box of ammo and does this every payday whether they shoot it or not. You will build up you a good supply and it will help the massive ups and downs of the ammo shortages and help the manufacturers and ammo stores maintain a steadier supply. this is how I have purchased most of my premium ammo. This has worked very well for me. Also watch sales. I have found S&B 00 buck several times at about half price if you buy 250 round cases at buy one get one free. Current weekly sales at Midway USA have some good deals on Sierra ammo
I don't like math, or charts. I do like big numbers though, and I don't like rationing my supply, wondering if I am using up too much ammo. I just try to keep a good supply, and not worry. I guess a lot of people budget from box to box, I understand that. I only buy every few years, in bulk, just a different strategy.
Since the 2020 fiasco I base my ammo stock-up on a 2 year diet where I could still train with 2x50rd drills a month on my 9mm CCW, 1x50rd drill a month on my .380 and 1x50rds every other month on my .45acp.. Meanwhile, .22LR is the ammo I stockpile in bulk so that when I do have to be conservative with the larger ($$$) cal's, I can still have a blast (no pun intended) with my .22's before/after my high-cal drills.. ..And contrary to the opinion of the internet commando's, a .22LR holding 10rds or more can be a very effective weapon of defense if it's all you got.. I mean, let's face it, nobody wants to be shot, and most people will freak out upon being shot.. 😂
Every week I buy 200 rounds when I go to the range but I usually only shoot 150 rounds and the remaining 50 go into my hoard and I’m just going to let it keep building up basically until I run out of storage lol
Double what you think and be prepared for hard times by reloading. Stock up on reloading supplies when you can and you'll be shooting when everyone else is crying.
I never forget how for 8 years, 22 ammo wasn't there. The legacy of our family teaching gun safety, responsibilities, and just the great right of passage that our elder thought we were that "grown up" was taken so an entire generation lost so much.
Assuming the brown stuff hits the oscillator and If you bug in .. there is no such thing as too much ammo .. first of all there will not be bulk ammo makers anymore. Obviously you have to balance how you much you buy versus needs such as food water medical tools etc. All ammo no food makes you a raider .. all food no ammo makes you a slave.
In the present political climate in America,there is no such thing as too much ammo. With this administration allowing and even promoting violence and unrest you may need all you can get and more.
You can never have enough ammo. Hope I can get a new job soon so I can at least start preparing for a couple weeks of the grid being down at the very least.
Not going to say much. I practice three things. 1. Long Term Storage. Having at least one Steel 50Cal Ammo Can of each owned Caliber filled, sealed, and stored in a climate controlled environment. If you shoot a specific round more than others, then go with two Cans. Set those cans aside and ideally never have to touch them. For me, the idea is to never have to worry about an ammo shortage again. 2. Reloading. I do Precision Rifle shooting the most. My training/practice Rifle is a .22LR which I don’t reload. What I do reload are the other Calibers you may shoot with may it be 5.56, 6.5 Creedmoor, .308, .300 Win Mag, .300 PRC or some other Caliber you may have. Having enough supply to sustain a Bolt Action or other Precision Rifle for a very long time is ideal for continuing a sport sometimes. 3. Buying factory Ammo as you go. With your Long Term Storage out of the way and with you practicing the art of Reloading, buying your Ammo as you go helps do two things. One being to preserve your long term storage, and to perhaps generate a steady supply of empty casings for reloading. All 3 in conjunction with one another will hold you over for an extremely long time if not your lifetime.
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No such thing as too much ammo.
I agree! As much as you can get and stockpile is the correct answer for sure!
I agree, but I'm on a budget so I do have to have some restraint.
@@kkeezer yes we all have a budget to one extent or another, its what you can put up over the course of years and not touch, you def keep 2 diff piles one to shoot and one to save. If I ever had to dip into my put up pile I made myself pay it back double. It doesn’t happen over night but after a year and beyond you can really watch it grow and its a beautiful thing! 🥺
@@kkeezerwhen your stockpiling save the last 5 rounds out of 50 or just 2 or 3 if it’s a box of 20 over time it’ll build up
Exactly what I came here to say. I like having the ability to laugh when some news media calls someones 1000 rounds of ammunition an "ammunition hoard". Haha 1000 rounds, that's cute.😂
As Uncle Ted says, "You can never have too much ammo". I thought I was going pretty well with it until I talked to someone that actually laughed when we talked numbers. I thought he was just giving me a hard time until he showed me one of his storage locations. 😳 He unlocked the door and I swear I heard a chorus of "AHHHHHH". The wind started rustling. The birds all hushed. The clouds parted and a golden light shined down from above.
Haha that’s great. Makes a man feel good to have large stacks. Haha
Dang, I'm late. I was gonna say that. Because to my family there is no such thing as too much ammo.
EDIT: I had to read your comment twice on your friends ammo storage (It's my birthday and I slept in, so barely awake). That is a beautiful description, LOVE IT.
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I. Am a Vietnam Veteran. 2 things I learned during my tour. 1 you can’t carry too much water. 2 no such thing as too much ammo.
I was in C/2/28 FIRST INF. DIV 1966 at LAIKHE 19 years old 115 lbs. I carried as much as i could. I have 15000 5.56 stock piled. Buy low, stack high.
Thank you for your service sir. I agree wholeheartedly
Oh wow 👍🏼 appreciate it sir thank you!
We lost power for a week after a hurricane in 2017. I had what I considered at the time to be enough supplies. Not knowing when the power would be restored, running into problem after problem, and then taking into account what I had on-hand, I felt naked and unprepared. Luckily I had 2 years of preparation before the Plandemic was released. Every purchase I've made since those days has taken into consideration how I felt during that time. I have quadrupled what I had back then, and it still feels like I'm missing something, so I'm constantly tweaking my inventory and supplies. It's a never-ending battle.
Indeed. Preparedness isn't an event, it's a lifestyle.
isnt that crazy how perspectives are changed and reenforced with those experiences!
It's called a healthy addiction
If you know how much you have, it isn’t enough.
As ammo has become more and more expensive, I have a rule of thumb that I go by. When I go to the range to do some training/plinking/target practice, I take 100 rounds per firearm. If I take 3 firearms, then I take 300 rounds. It could be 100 rounds of 9mm, 100 rounds of 5.56 and 100 rounds of 38spl. When I go to purchase more ammo, I purchase 50 rounds more than I shot. Ex. if I shoot 100 rds of 9mm I replace it with 150 rds of 9mm and so on. This way I am always growing my stockpile.
solid advice
Good system!
When I picture ENOUGH ammo, I see Scrooge McDuck swimming, in brass.
Answer: As much as you can afford.
All depends on the weight limit of the floor.
haha, right!
@rob6850 I think I'm getting close. I have both ammo and Hot Wheels cars in a single room.
Ammo is like air, you don’t know how much is enough, until you run out.
right! haha
Well stated
Oh sh*t that's a good one
Thanks for your insight. Everyone is prepping for something different. SHTF, EMP, Civil War, Invasion, Natural Disaster. Everyone has a current financial situation. Buy and store what you think you will need for your situation and consider the space you need to maintain an inventory. Just have "something" so you and your family are not SOL if something happens. Remember your location (Urban, Suburban, Rural) will also have an impact on type and use. Some people will also say - ammo is cash - but I prefer not to let anyone know that I have any.....your call. My 2 cents.
thats the way to do it! slow and steady
I'd say at minimum, enough to Build a throne out of ammo boxes.
I got a great image in my mind on this one! haha
When you need to reinforce the floor boards, you almost have enough ammo.....😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣
haha, so more of a weight limit vs a round count, haha
Simply put, you really can't have too much, so long as you can safely and practically store it. There isn't any trade-off or downside to storing ammunition--it's not perishable and will only go up in price as the years pass. So the answer is really as much of every caliber as your budget and storage locations permit.
I used to think there was no such thing as too much ammo, until I had to move.
ya..... then you know
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Very nice giveaway for sure! Thank you for doing that. Whoever wins will be very lucky!
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1000 rounds per weapon, stocked up and then another 500 rounds for practice. I rotate the 500 rounds as I use them.
Another EXTREMELY important question. How many magazines per gun is the minimum? You can have 10,000 rounds of 9mm, but if you only have 2 (10) round magazines......🤔🤔🤔🤔
to me 5 handgun mags, 12-14 rifle mags is enough.
great point! here is my thought on that! ua-cam.com/video/U9XIJA64B6U/v-deo.html
Additionally I believe you should have 1/3 shot shells, 1/3 buckshot and 1/3 slugs for the shotguns. Be safe my friends.
Depends on what you plan to use shotgun for. Likely to use snares or 22 for rabbits and squirrels, but there are generally numerous ducks and geese around here. Not going to use buck or slugs on birds or small animals. Coyotes or larger get buck or possibly slugs, but I’d most likely use rifle for those.
Damn people overthink things!!! Get what you think you need and what you can afford! Don't go in debt, don't neglect your family and home and continue to enjoy life and prep what makes you feel safe. If a situation occurs where you need 100,000 rounds of ammo, that's combat!! You are going to probably die anyway. 500-1000 rounds per gun should be enough. Protect your family, home and property. If more is needed you will probably die anyway, prep food, water, prepare you home and property for defense. Pay off your debit and be self sufficient. Stop overthinking this and get your life squared away. Everything will be okay.
you are right, i am attempting to bring a sensibility and a formula that is shareable and repeatable.
My opinion regarding self defense ammo for your handgun is way less than 500-1000. If things got bad, you would not be using them at all for practice. I run my magazines out once or twice a year now. If times were tough, we wouldn’t be shooting anything unless we had to.
surely!, shtf no one cares if its fmj or not!
I still think its important to keep extra self defense ammo though, if you are in your home and need to use your gun. Better to only have one or two walls to patch up versus every wall between where you shot and outside.
My thinking is that it can depend on where your home is located, what part of the country you live in and what the demographics are. On one end of the scale if you live in a rural area 30 minutes from a small city and up in Nebraska, your threat level is low aside from road blocks. On the other end we have a homeowner living in a cookie box neighborhood where the homes are 6 feet apart and it’s in Atlanta, GA city limits next to a large apartment complex and in the summertime. The downside to cramped communities is the risk of fire. A single Molotov cocktail will destroy everything you’ve worked hard to acquire to be prepared. If a roving gang is beat off by a high volume of weapon fire, they’ll simply burn you out from a distance by setting fire to the house next to you.
You are 100% right! Gangs and thugs will be like a pack of wolves. They will burn you out or wait you out. You have to sleep, prepare food, maintain your home and property. you can't be on guard every minute. Time is on their side. You will have to have friends and neighbors to help. You can't defend yourself long term. You will need friends, family and neighbors. Work together and live.
@@EagleRun23 I agree. In a SHTF event, shooters/defenders can't be choosers. Otherwise, throw rocks, thoughts, prayers, & good intentions at them??? Can't tell me a well placed FMJ headshot or direct thru the heart won't be effective.
I like to keep, at a minimum, 1k rounds per weapon type (i.e. 5.56, 308, .22, 9mm, etc..) put away - plus target/plinking ammo. I typically keep about 10k rounds on hand, but here in Texas - my numbers are low compared to many.
1k per gun is good, or 1k per caliber. but if you have 15 AR's..... haha
@@EagleRun23 - I don't have that many AR's. Although, I'd not mind, but the wife would not be happy.
1k per weapon type is the very bare minimum you should have. To have a good amount do like 3k per round or more. Again 1k is the very bare minimum you should have. And 1k isn’t really all that much, you can shoot all 1k in an hour or less.
@@HatsuneM1ku01 - I agree on ammo count, which is why I said 1k at a minimum - plus target ammo/rounds.
Yep, I’ve got 10K in 5.56 alone……another 12K in .22 LR….9mm….I lost count …..this is buying every time I walked into an Academy since 2014
There is a lot that can be said for having similar actions/configurations in different calibers. This allows for the majority of your training being done with less expensive ammo and fine tuning with more expensive ammo. You can find weapons chambered in .22lr that duplicate weapons chambered in larger calibers.
Prepper 101. Yup. Redundant systems.
Only time you can have too much ammo is if you have to bug out and you cannot take all of your ammo. And you can only take what you can carry. Other than than there’s no such thing as too much
I can’t bring myself to go to the range and “waste” ammo anymore. I already know how to shoot. I’ve had classes and plenty of range time over the years. Hopefully I won’t get too rusty.
Ya. Valid thought. But remember shooting is a depreciation skill. Get out there when you can. :)
I have been through several ammo shortages over the last 25 years and you know what trend I have seen? They last longer before they recover and things get back to normal but at much higher prices! One thing these shortages have taught me...get into reloading and stack the components deep!!! I am still using primers I paid 3.99 a 100 pack and powder that was about 20 fun dollars a pound! Now they are about 9.99 a 100 pack and powder about 32 plus fun dollars a pound. Just some food for thought...
"fun dollar" hahaha thanks for the notes! I am a new reloader, just a few years now.
You're better off with a 1,000 round stockpile and 9,000 rounds spent in training than you are with 10,000 rounds in a stockpile and no training.
now thats a great point!! excellent comment.
I was at the pistol range today. I had my $200 Bersa Thunder. My next door neighbor had a Glock 45 acp. I was hitting 1 steel target, then hitting the next steel target, one right after the other. I was about 15 yards away from my targets. He was about 10 yards away and took several seconds to try to get his aim on his targets. He hit his targets maybe 20% of the time? I hit my targets about 85-90% of the time in rapid succession. So your comment is spot on.
I have a similar, but related, saying: Do not fear the person that has practiced 10,000 martial arts moves, fear the person who has practiced ONE martial arts move 10,000 times.
Makes no sense to me. You spend 9000 rounds of ammo trying to hit the target and you’ve only got 1000 rounds of ammo! You should be able to learn how to shoot with just the first 50 rounds! Learn the correct technique with the first 50 take the next 50 and enjoy shooting just that simple Save your 10,000 rounds for later.
It's good to see a man spare no expense on his presentation tools.
I keep inventory to help keep track of what I have where and I’ve got the rough estimates. 22LR - 10K+
9mm - 3K+
7x39 - 4.5K+
7x51 - 2K+
.556 - 5K+
12G 1,710 Various loads
Plus a few odd balls ranging from 500 - 1,000+
The Mrs does not always agree but she understands, it’s my hobby and a security deposit
Probably should delete this and not let the internet know about everything of how much you have 🙃
@@HatsuneM1ku01 not concerned with random people online. This is also last recorded 8 months ago. It’s been increased in every category. Cleaning supplies, reloading station, storage, bullets, bandages, beans, and bourbon stacked high. Let someone FAFO
There is no amount of ammo that is enough. If you think about it, it's probably the most precious thing on earth besides food and water (and the Bible)
valuable no matter what! right!
Easy answer to this question. All of it, always, all the time.
Good starting point. Who buys defense specific ammunition for their .223/5.56? Or do you just roll straight M193 55 grain?
Minuteman minimum 1K per firearm.
For me it comes down to practice time.
Considerations 1) purpose/function of caliber 2) weight 3) size of round 4) cost.
Honestly one thing many forget is consistency I.e. lot numbers. I haven’t been a fan of getting the cheapest or random boxes from various suppliers because accuracy.
That’s the main number most folks are familiar with. Can’t disagree. It’s an easy number to remember and prepare for.
@EagleRun23 it can get expensive fast I.E specially ammo as you noted. I used to have lots of different calibers and rifles 243. 270. 30-30, 762x39. 308, 30-06, 762x54r, 7mm, 8mm you get the idea back in the 80’s with surplus ammo things were great. One bad President = I went NATO standard and sold all of the rifles + cases of ammo to replenish in fewer calibers but a wider variety. Same with handguns and shotguns. I miss having a big collection but figure it makes more sense to KISS 😉
I have bought ammo at times from the 1960s starting with 22s ,then I got into reloading 12 ga number 4s ,BBs,,6s .I bought slugs, and double OO buck.I bought 223s ,and 9s, to much to store into one safe. I will tell you this truly I am in my 60s now and have enough ammo to last me the rest of my life and my son will enherit the bulk of it.i haven't bought ammo since the 90s and I still shoot. I bought a lot when there used to be sales .the government created the shortage because if they can't confiscate your guns they just have to cut out the ammo to make them obsolete and frustrate people hoping they will turn them in and many have for cash
The only thing I have found is that the 200gr bullets start to tumble at about 300 yards. They are made for that short acp barrel not the 28" barrel of the CVA Accura Plains Rifle.
For handgun defensive ammo how many JHPs like Federal Premium HST in 124 gr or 147 gr for a year?
The moment your floor boards collapse....
cracking mean you are good, stop! haha
When you get to the point that you can no longer keep your supply dry. It’s to much.
Definitely no such thing as too much ammo
100%
Good information thanks man!!!
You bet! thanks for saying hey!
“Like my mother always said you can never have too much ammo”
good woman!
As a retired combat vet, it depends on whether you plan to use it primarily for hunting, currency or self defense. If you think you are going to get off 10000 rounds of ammo in personal self defense scenarios. Your probably mistaken. Your luck will run out before your ammo.
When you run out of places to store!
I say 1000 rounds packed away for each gun. Then around 500 rounds each for training. If SHTF ever happened, you would not be practicing anymore. People would hear you and come for your guns, and ammo. You will stay as silent as possible at all times. If you had to move locations, you would not be able to carry much with you.
1k is a good easy to remember and solid shareable advice.
I base all my preps on a single common factor that spans all sorts of crisis-- the trucks will stop rolling. From a trucker strike to an asteroid strike, that holds true. What you have on hand is what you'll have through the crisis, because it is too late to run to the store or place an order. It is the same for every stock-- food, ammo, clothes, medicine, water treatment, paper products, batteries, etc. Get as much as you can of everything you need. Try to keep a balance of goods, instead of going all in on one particular prep, ie. get a year's supply of everything you prep, then expand as you can, keeping that balance.
Don't get overwhelmed, because NO ONE can do everything. But we can all do some things... start there. glhf
balance of goods, always be prepared, yup! nice job!
I usually keep about 500 rounds for everything but much more for .22lr
thats a good number, fair, sounds like you do a replace what you shoot system with a buffer. solid!
@@EagleRun23 yes that's exactly how I been doing and I don't shoot often so it works for me.
Like food, gasoline, income… and ammo (and its components) are all a finite resource.
And replenishment is a critical axiom just as serious as the aforementioned.
🖖🤨 It is a Logical Imperative.
The way I do it is my storage ammo are in 50cal cans 5.56/.223 can hold around 1,200 or a bit more 9mm in 50cal can is 2,200 plus some. My range cans are 30 can cans I for 5.56/.223 can hold around 600 rounds and 9mm is 1,200. For shotgun I just have buck shot and have them in a 50cal can about 250 12ga shells will fit. My chest rig has 6 30 round magazines ready to go. And I have 3 spare in my gun mags always full. 9mm I have my “battle belt” with two magazines but total 5 mags always loaded one with federal HST for carry.
Right now I have roughly 3000 rounds of 9mm and 223. 1500 of 7.62x39 and a few hundred of my spare calibers, being 7.62x51, 45, 10mm, and 12 Gauge. I'm working on stocking up in case of another ammo shortage like 2020.
Not in case…..rather WHEN it happens again
More is always MORE better...have a plan, not just for yourself but for your family as well, if your a family man. Have redundancies (rule of thumb) 1 is none,2 is 1, 3 is 2 etc...practice, train,...remember the 7 P's. Proper Prior Planning Prevents Piss Poor Performance. You've heard it said as well...practice makes perfect (this saying is misleading) * PERFECT PRACTICE makes perfect. One can practice, practice and practice some more...if your practice is half-ass so will be your performance.
This message is paid for by the US Marines ;-)
Primary weapon M4 carbine: 5,000 rounds of 5.56, long range weapon: 2,000 rounds of .308, short range shotgun: bull pup 12 ga. 500 rounds, sidearm 9mm 1,500.
solid advice yup!
Pffftttt... i don't see any 338 lapua or 416 barrett
Not 'till my dump truck "runnith over" is my position and I'm sticking to it!!🤪
I keep 20 thousand rounds of 22 does quit well at short as well as long range shots
Over the last few years I have been watching and reading a lot of the different opinions that have been expressed. I think after all of this is that you have to look at what your individual needs are. If you’re a young person with or without a family your needs are going to be much different than someone that is retired. I think this holds true in pretty much of anything that you feel that you need to stock pile. Bottom line is do what you feel is right for you. But don’t cry when things are no longer available.
Having enough to supply a whole Division is about what I would like to have
my army math isnt good how many is a division?
It has been to hot to go to the ranger here in New Mexico so I have ammo coming out my ears.
I can't picture any scenario where I would survive very many shootouts. If I tried to hide at home and someone tries to get in and I end up shooting him eventually someone is going to come looking. My walls are drywall. If people start shooting I'm done. I'd like to know how all this goes down in your scenario?
I am not really saying my video was for SHTF. You are talking more of a combat scenario, thats out of my wheelhouse. I am just wanting to have supplies. but you point is fair and is a valid discussion we could should have.
I started awhile back, buy a box a payday. If I'm working a job where I get paid weekly adverse to bi-weekly I buy a bit more. If you have a million rounds and only use it for hunting you should be set lol!
I personally like to have a minimum of 1k per weapon and reload as well as stock rotation so as not to let my stocks get old and not function properly I do keep mine in a cool dry storage always keep a good supply on hand and I'm also ready to make more at any given moment
1k per gun is best advice for folks, and practicing rotations is key.
I'd like to add to that, speaking _strictly_ in terms of a firearm as an investment, priority effort for calibers that often become difficult to find when the market is disrupted. Should I want to part ways with my AK74 or 1895 Nagant revolver, I know I'm stocked deep enough on ammo and mags I can put a compelling combo together.
@@411DL smart for sure!
More....always more. Never can have to much
never too much, too much to carry! but not to shoot!
How much ammo is too much = How much ammo can I afford and properly store.
While I say, as many do, you can never have too much ammo, I have (right now) about the amount you recommend, but more self defense, and been doing more dryfiring, still... Good starting numbers. Gonna get mine back up, where I "personally" like 'em...
Went to cabelas two days ago i bought the last box of 9mm they had
I don’t think people are going to be wasting ammo on training if the poop has hit the fan
sure, but many preppers keep a supply for more than just SHTF, its also for the supply problems when things are good and when things are bad.
if too broke for ammo... stock up on components... they are as good as ammo and not inflated. When shtf... components will be worth 80% of the real deal...except u can get them for about 25% of per ammo price
SHTF ammo is money. I figure about 1000 per firearm on hand, also that way when my children inherit them it's more than just a fancy rock or stick.
Minimum is 1000rounds of FMJ and 500rounds of hollowpoints per gun and 10mags per gun. Once you reach that you double it and so on till you literally run out of room to store it all
When you go out to shoot you buy what youre going to shoot without touching your pile. I never touch my pile unless i need to and going out to shoot isnt a reason to touch it
I think the better question is how much ammo compared to your other preps? It’s not much good to have a lot of ammo and nothing else
yes sir, we did a series of 8 or so videos in July covering a lot of bases and I have two live streams coming soon in September for preparedness month! If you want to see more topics, I can track down experts and get them on! thanks for watching brother!
As much as you can afford and store. You can not have too much.
There is never such a thing as too much ammo you buy more than you can ever possibly need and keep buying it and weapons, too because one day you’re gonna have to use those weapons on the enemy, whether they be foreign and or domestic or both
As long as you can afford it, the only time you can have too much ammo is if it is in your pack and you have a long march ahead of you or you go overboard from your boat...........................
"He who does with the most Ammo, Wins"
There's no such thing as too much ammo. I'm sitting on a minimum of 2,000 rounds per caliber I run. For 5.56 and 9mm, I'm over twice that, and I'm still adding as I can.
although you have all the tools to get through! 👍🏾 the video
Before i started buying firearms. I was buying the ammo for the firearms that i wanted. Now that i kinda have both. I am still buying ammo.
heck ya!
When you have to rent a storage unit to keep your over flow
Haha
Ive always taught my kids if you go to the range and plan to shot 4 boxes, buy 8 and put 4 in the safe. Plan to shot 8? Buy 16 and put 8 in the safe. If you are going to buy 2, buy 4 and put two in the safe. You will build your stock of ammunition relatively painlessly and never have to worry about ammo shortages. Rotate but dont deplete your stock.
The question is valid, the answer is a ludicrous amount. 8+ k of pistol min. Rifle is stacked deep. Reloading is the way! I took a friend and his wife out, we went though 200 in about 2 hrs with my pistol. That was a short day.
Hoping to shed light on the fact that the formula says you need a LOT! Haha
@@EagleRun23 As a bachelor, I admit I'm a chronic reloader. My latest quest, .41 Swiss for a (18)69/71 Swiss Vetterlli.
You can't have too much, but, as a rule of thumb, I buy 1k rounds per gun to put back and forget it. Pick up what I'm going to shoot at the range.
A past editor of Handguner magazine several years ago can up with a good plan, I think maybe after the second Obama shortage. If every one who shoots goes out every payday and buys 1 box of ammo and does this every payday whether they shoot it or not. You will build up you a good supply and it will help the massive ups and downs of the ammo shortages and help the manufacturers and ammo stores maintain a steadier supply. this is how I have purchased most of my premium ammo. This has worked very well for me. Also watch sales. I have found S&B 00 buck several times at about half price if you buy 250 round cases at buy one get one free. Current weekly sales at Midway USA have some good deals on Sierra ammo
Wow. Hey man that’s awesome. If you wanna come on my podcast some time. Let me know!
In my opinion, you can't have too much ammo, or too many guns.
I don't like math, or charts. I do like big numbers though, and I don't like rationing my supply, wondering if I am using up too much ammo. I just try to keep a good supply, and not worry. I guess a lot of people budget from box to box, I understand that. I only buy every few years, in bulk, just a different strategy.
Since the 2020 fiasco I base my ammo stock-up on a 2 year diet where I could still train with 2x50rd drills a month on my 9mm CCW, 1x50rd drill a month on my .380 and 1x50rds every other month on my .45acp.. Meanwhile, .22LR is the ammo I stockpile in bulk so that when I do have to be conservative with the larger ($$$) cal's, I can still have a blast (no pun intended) with my .22's before/after my high-cal drills..
..And contrary to the opinion of the internet commando's, a .22LR holding 10rds or more can be a very effective weapon of defense if it's all you got.. I mean, let's face it, nobody wants to be shot, and most people will freak out upon being shot.. 😂
Excellent formula. That’s the whole point is to get something that works for you and your goals plans. Nice job
Every week I buy 200 rounds when I go to the range but I usually only shoot 150 rounds and the remaining 50 go into my hoard and I’m just going to let it keep building up basically until I run out of storage lol
I am both a muzzle-loader and a reloader.
If you think you have too much, you dont have enough.
factual!
I'd say 20,000 rounds for each caliber for center fire rifles. 5000 rounds for 12 Ga shotgun and 10,000 rounds for each caliber of pistols
Depends on how much you shoot. But good idea.
One more consideration fir those who are in California.. as of June 1, 2024 all Gun stuff and ammo is subject to an additional 11% gun tax. BUY NOW !
true!
Too much is NEVER ENOUGH 😅
Base on two times my carry ..stock pile.......and than training is two to three loads each gun
Double what you think and be prepared for hard times by reloading. Stock up on reloading supplies when you can and you'll be shooting when everyone else is crying.
If you can have more. More is always better. :)
IF it's the END OF TIMES... hollow point, full metal jacket, any round will do! I wouldn't be picky.
Some of you have forgotten the Obama administration there was no 22 ammo. Think what you will about how much is enough.
I never forget how for 8 years, 22 ammo wasn't there. The legacy of our family teaching gun safety, responsibilities, and just the great right of passage that our elder thought we were that "grown up" was taken so an entire generation lost so much.
Assuming the brown stuff hits the oscillator and If you bug in .. there is no such thing as too much ammo .. first of all there will not be bulk ammo makers anymore. Obviously you have to balance how you much you buy versus needs such as food water medical tools etc. All ammo no food makes you a raider .. all food no ammo makes you a slave.
In the present political climate in America,there is no such thing as too much ammo. With this administration allowing and even promoting violence and unrest you may need all you can get and more.
dont disagree!
If your a person that worries about people calling you a Horder of ammo than you don't deserve to have any.
Worry? Naw. I don’t worry about much. That’s a story and a thumbnail.
You can never have enough ammo. Hope I can get a new job soon so I can at least start preparing for a couple weeks of the grid being down at the very least.
I hope so too! Yes sir just stack a week at a time when you can and you will be better off than most.
Well........I don't have a hard number in mind. But... if I ever think that I have too much ammo , I
will let you know ❤❤❤❤❤
If you have money in your bank account, you do not have enough ammo.
yall so really hype on this! haha love it!
Not going to say much. I practice three things.
1. Long Term Storage. Having at least one Steel 50Cal Ammo Can of each owned Caliber filled, sealed, and stored in a climate controlled environment. If you shoot a specific round more than others, then go with two Cans. Set those cans aside and ideally never have to touch them. For me, the idea is to never have to worry about an ammo shortage again.
2. Reloading. I do Precision Rifle shooting the most. My training/practice Rifle is a .22LR which I don’t reload. What I do reload are the other Calibers you may shoot with may it be 5.56, 6.5 Creedmoor, .308, .300 Win Mag, .300 PRC or some other Caliber you may have. Having enough supply to sustain a Bolt Action or other Precision Rifle for a very long time is ideal for continuing a sport sometimes.
3. Buying factory Ammo as you go. With your Long Term Storage out of the way and with you practicing the art of Reloading, buying your Ammo as you go helps do two things. One being to preserve your long term storage, and to perhaps generate a steady supply of empty casings for reloading.
All 3 in conjunction with one another will hold you over for an extremely long time if not your lifetime.
High 5!