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Responding to Allen Parr, Marcus Rogers, and Michael Todd on Tongues and Pentecostalism
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- Опубліковано 17 тра 2021
- This is a response to Allen Parr's response to Marcus Rogers' response to Michael Todd's video on tongues as the evidence of the Holy Spirit.
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Coming from a Baptist background, tongues was not preached- I never gave it any attention. I recall a time when I diligently sought the Lord (this was prior to a Believer prophesied that " by me many will be saved." I walked away thinking... "I don't know how that's going to happen." While at a Ladies conference- I heard a word that resonated in my spirit.. I found myself on the floor and my body shaking. I didn't know what happened. Someone told me " your life will never be the same" while driving home I started speaking in tongues.
After joining Assembly of God church, I learned about the Indwelling and Infilling of Holy Ghost- happened on separate occasions as in the Scriptures. I began to witness for the Lord with boldness.
*Ya I have a friend who was not just Baptist but ULTRA Baptist. He was filled with the Spirit in his backyard. In fact, throughout High School he defended the Baptist position but evidently was secretly seeking that matter out privately. We were all still living with our parents after High School and one afternoon there was a knock on my bedroom door. I said 'Come in' and he walked in and I did a double take. His face looked different. I knew what happened. He didn't have to tell me. He said 'Guess what' and I said 'I know what. Its all over your face.' Lol. He explained to me how it happened. He was given the boot from his local Baptist church essentially. Same church he grew up in and his whole family went to.*
I’m gonna do a video reacting to you reacting to Allen reacting to Marcus reacting to Michael 😂😂😂
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😂😂😂 Looking forward!!
Looking forward to Jew's and Greeks reaction video to your reaction video of Jews and Greeks reaction video of allan Parrs reaction video to a reaction video of a reaction video!
The wisdom you express in simple scripture interpretation is just awesome, I cant wait that we reach million subscribers this is wisdom the world needs.
Just being a responsible guy.
Let's hit 10,000 first, then 50,000, then 100,000. That would be awesome for a Charismatic UA-camr.
Cessationism is in my humble opinion the most dangerous docterine there is GREAT VIDEO sorry so many comments this topic is just so important
You can comment as many times as you want Jennifer
I agree.
John 20:21 Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you. 22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost: 23 Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.
Acts 1:5 For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence. 8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.
Here is the golden text to explain salvation and the baptism of the Holy Spirit.
Rod, I would love to hear your thoughts on John 23 KJV
I am sick of people saying that Mark 16:9-20 wasn't originally in the Bible. The early church fathers (from as early as the 2nd century A.D.) quoted the verses well before the time of the oldest manuscripts we have that have the passage missing.
P.S. The inclusion of Mark 16:9-20 was never questioned until modern times.
Agreed. If you look closely at the commentary Allen was referencing, he misrepresented what it said. It said "the most ancient manuscripts". It didn't say "most of the ancient manuscripts". In other words two of the oldest manuscripts left out the long ending, but the rest included it.
You should see my comment on Allen’s video about how watching him made me spiritually dead in Christ. I’m 32 and have been so sick with autoimmune after speaking my testimony in church. There IS a spiritual war going on. In my wilderness I also received my prayer language speaking in tongues so I praise God for that. ❤️
That's what happens to me when I listen to as well as doreen virtue. I want to throw my hands up and go everything I believe is wrong
@@faithfreedom4084 "I want to throw my hands up and go everything I believe is wrong" *Ya, thats the objective of everything going on both in the secular world and the Church. Its not an accident. Hold on to what you have with everything you have.*
I suspect most are against the long ending of Mark because it is supernatural.
Read the footnote in your bible about these verses
How about the fact that it's a much later addition to the text (2nd century).
Nope it has been quote me by Justin Martyr as scripture. I take his view over some scholar whose view was 1900 years later
Yeah, and it's also worth to mention that all copies of the Syriac Peshitta, the Aramaic/Syriac translation of the Bible, whose origins can be traced to earlier than both the Sinaiticus and Vaticanus, include the long ending, which would point to the historical existence of Greek manuscripts, earlier than the Sinaiticus and Vaticanus, that included the long ending, but are now lost.
@@danielrodriguesaoe thank you for adding this info, it is good to know...the reason I responded to the first msg was because of the very nonsensical remark about it being supernatural and thus the reason most are against it...obviously that is just silly as most bibles have a footnote with regards to these verses...the reason some are skeptical is because there is this grey area of not actually knowing if its suppose to be there, as well as what most observe in real time. I do have to agree with the 'most' group that the focus on tongues is a bit much, it should not be such a divisive subject, it really is not a salvation issue
Cessationists base their misunderstanding on the Holy Spirit and His gifts from theology, bias and negative experience, not the Bible.
My Dad heard Spanish from one of his church members while speaking in tounges.
Is your dad sure the guy wasn’t actually speaking Spanish instead of tongues?
It happens more often than people think.. Its up to the Holy Spirit what comes out when He is given the floor. There is no difference to the Holy Spirit whether it is an actual language or speaking mysteries. The Holy Spirit decides what is needed.
I was at a church in Tulsa and during the altar call there was worship music. The black man front of me sang in the most beautiful Italian.
When the service was over, I asked him if he was a native of Italy. He told me he was visiting from an African nation and didn't know any Italian. I shared that he had been singing in Italian -- and he told me that he had been 'singing in tongues.'
It's easy to try to discount these experiences, @@samuelelisha9618 , but they do occur.
I find too much intellectualism in the so called “prophets” and “apologetics”. It’s getting too much out of understanding the word of God. There is no humility among these folks.
What happened to reading the Bible and asking the Holy Spirit for wisdom. Didn’t Jesus say if we lack wisdom to ask him? These people needs to repent. Allen is doubtful of healing, Marcus is just adding his own twist to things because he lacks understanding and he is not humble to ask for help. It’s like the blind leading the blind.
I don’t see any of these folks trying to win souls for God with the platform they have. It’s all about providing “who is right and expose who is wrong”.
What happened to reading the Bible without others in your ear except God’s? They are not making the the Christian walk easy for new Christians
Exactly and they are like modern day Pharisee. There is no love of the Lord and no joy of Lord to bring the lost to the kingdom of God.
I’m sorry but Allen is so foolish. Are not the gospels themselves narrative books? Are we not supposed to get doctrine from Mathew, Mark, Luke, and John? That’s absurd
I believe brother Parr graduated from Dallas Theological, so he was indoctrinated.
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😂😂😂 “Responsible guy.” That got me.
Great balance to scriptural interpretation as usual. Thanks Brother 👍🏽
"I'm a responsible guy!" 😂🤣😅
Absolute gold there, Rod! 🏆
Excellent analysis and brilliant critique. Thoroughly enjoyed this rather entertaining dismantling of a poor response to another response to another... well you get it! 😂
Keep up the important work brother! 😎👍
I came by just a little while ago wondering where the video was today 😁🙌🏽
Even if you went to a hospital people will say they were paid actors.
I am reminded of an old song by The Imperials, called the "Eagle Song". A line in the song says "The simplicity of God somehow escapes man". Listening to these guys going back and forth fits that line perfectly. Thanks Bro. Rod, God Bless you. Very interesting video.
Teachers are held to a much higher standard than normal Christian. Allen needs to repent and come correct for his false teachings.
Unfortunately, parr and his like-minded UA-cam preachers don't see any error or false teaching they are spreading. They are telling 'us' to repent and renounce false teaching.
Alan asks the question - and Rod answers it - easy peasy.
Paul said seek both the fruit and the gift not sure why persons want to divide them.
I laughed more during your commentary on this video than any of your others! Haha, love your sense of humor. And by the way, concerning Rom 8:26, the morning after I got saved and received the Baptism in the Holy Spirit with speaking in tongues, the enemy attacked my mind, with a ferocious argument that I had had a nice experience, but I would get over it. In desperation, I opened my Bible, looked down, and there was Romans 8:26. The revelation to me was a confirmation of what I had received, and then I spoke in tongues for the next several hours. Years later, I had professors and others try to convince me I was taking that verse out of context. No I wasn't, and I love your hermeneutic on it. God bless you.
I have been waiting for this video since Saturday
and my response to Rod is the fruits of the spirit is the evidence we have received Jesus as our vine and being His branch. Speaking in tongues is the evidence of having receiving the Holy Spirit and we need both to live the Christian life.
You caught my interest when you said most commentaries are written by secessionist. I've also noticed that, do you have any ideas as to why that is?🤔
It's an unfortunate fact that the Pentecostal movement has a history of being attacked by theologians, so over time there developed an anti-theology sentiment among Pentecostals and Charismatics. Slowly but surely that is changing, and people are discovering that tongue talkers can do theology and apologetics. Hopefully we'll see more and more Pentecostal commentaries produced in the future.
Not only cessationist but Calvinists, IE people who believe God predestines people to hell, without them ever being giving a choice. Kinda shows who you are dealing with. Most, not all but most of the videos trashing other ministers are by them. And it’s really not done in a concerned way but in mocking.
@@keith3362 exactly and they don’t bring the lost to the kingdom of God. They don’t have the joy of the Lord.
Great job brother. Always a blessing. Thank you from Italy. I do listen occasionally Alan and been blessed on many occasions... Not this time Alan.
Taking respons-ability to a new level. Well done.
Great understanding as usual my brother! Excellent response to a response.. to a response.. to a........
Be blessed 🙌
Thank you for holding on to the truths of Scripture.
I didn’t realize you have been as active lately. Been missing your material
The truth shall set you free!! Read ALL scriptures and bible for yourself it’s a personal relationship with Jesus
I can’t say I agree with everything Marcus preaches. Im not even sure about his views about tongues and things of that nature, but I feel like Allen Parr has something against Marcus Rogers. He seems way to combative with him and that attitude in general is very off putting.
This is what Allen Parr does to get views, I’m convinced that’s all it’s about to him.
Their obsession with tongues is so odd they always say pentacostals always speak about tongues this tongues that but as someone who attends a pentacostal church regularly I can say the obsession is with the cessationists not us..
I didn't speak tongues the day I was baptized it happened a couple months later
An excellent video and analysis, as always!
As for 13:38, this reminds me of a true story my mother once told me about: in the city where we used to live, an Assemblies of God pastor and his wife once made a visit to someone who happened to be involved with some sort of witchcraft. This person poisoned the water given to the pastor and his wife in order to kill them, yet they drank the water and didn't die at all. I don't recall all of the details of the story by head, but I believe this person converted later on. So, yeah, this passage is surely authentic and surely still applies for today!
I need help brother. Please say a prayer for my home and family. Spiritual warfare is a foot, and I’m scared.
Wow nice video! This was beneficial to me, thanks!
Indeed, A Sign! ...Clarification was needed for sure!
Wow never saw the John 20 vs 22 and Luke 24 vs 49 connection.
This is called chain 🔗 reaction 😂
It seems to me that Cessationists have been called by someone to attack Christianity. They spend more of their times attacking here and there...so bad.
Can you do rebuttals on Doreen Virtues videos against deliverence and healing
I've done several videos rebutting Doreen Virtue. Do you have a specific video in mind?
@@JewandGreek oh good I need to find them then new to all this. I'm referring to the video "Are deliverence ministries biblical" I'm not sure I can get through all her videos it just flattens my excitement for anything Pentecostal
Yes please and I’ve asked too for this. She is an ex new ager
Good teaching Rod. I must say your hair is looking pleasantly poofy today. Just need some hairspray, sunglasses and a red convertible. Stylin’
Yeah, I'm getting kinda shaggy. Time for a trim. Blessings.
Indwelling=Fruit of the Spirit, Infilling=Gifts of the Spirit... nice way to put it.
I heard another way to put it: The Holy Spirit comes in us for our sake. He comes upon us for the sake of others. We need both, fruits and gifts to help a fallen people meet God. Aah. Coming from a cessational believe system back in the days, I happen to just love the Holy Ghost and everything about him. Thank you for your work.
Great video. I have watched Marcus Rodgers on several occasions and though I don't know everything about his doctrine or religious affiliation I believe he is sincere. What concerns me is how so called " believers" attack other Christians, specifically, rather than stating their disagreement with certain doctrine. You made mention of that. Also, it's done in a snarky, condescending way. Not cool.Not the way any true Christian should speak. Thanks for speaking the truth in Love. God Bless🙏
In one case I know of, we are also labelled demonic and worthy of going to hell. That's heavy stuff to be dishing out yet they believe this. 😳
Does Romans 8:26 always mean to pray in tongues? Doesn’t the verse say that the Holy Spirit prays FOR us and not THROUGH us? Although, I suppose it could be both.
We are also told to walk in the Spirit. Does that mean we are to walk in tongues? Also, couldn’t praying in the spirit be understood to be praying according to the Spirit’s leading? Just a thought. 😊
Digging Rod's wardrobe.
THANKS BROTHER!
This has been so helpful
Great breakdown... Thanks
Speaking of commentaries written by Charismatic, Jimmy Swaggart has a few Bible Commentaries out. Perry Stone too
This is funny on so many videos. I haven't watched too much Alan Parr on criticising things other than seven day adventists. You give a lot of clarity to of what I see as misunderstandings.
Is speaking in tongues the same as having a private prayer language? What about the gift of interpretation of tongues? I’m trying to understand all of this.
There are several applications for the gift of tongues. It can be used in devotion to edify the believer, or it can be manifested as a sign gift as occurred on the day of Pentecost, or it can be used in worship, or it can be used in intercessory prayer. It's kind of like water. You can use water for irrigation, for drinking, for bathing, or for putting out a fire. It's the same water but there are different applications for it. Hope that helps.
@@JewandGreek Yes, thank you 😊
Well done
I already commented on Alan’s video. He is so wrong. ALL scripture is profitable for doctrine. He is contradicting the word.
Exactly
So you believe only those who speak in tongues possess the holy spirit?
@@SpontaneousAbstraction No, there is a difference between the infilling and in dwelling of the Holy Spirit. The disciples received the Holy Spirit at the end of the book of John when Christ breathed on them and said, "receive the Holy Ghost". But Christ still tells them to wait in Jerusalem for the power or infilling of the Holy Ghost to come upon them. He tells them once they receive the infilling they will receive power to witness him (Acts 1:8). This is clearly a different experience than the indwelling that comes when ever someone believes.
The evidence that someone is a believer and has the indwelling presence the Holy Ghost is the fruit of the Spirit found in Galatians 5. But the evidence that they are filled with the Holy Ghost is speaking in tongues Acts 2:4. Another example of this is in Acts when Philip preaches in Samaria. When Philip preaches the Samarians accept Jesus and believe. They get the indwelling. But when peter and john come to samaria it is obvious they have not received the baptism or infilling. So peter and John lay hands on them and they receive the infilling and speak in tongues.
Also important to note that there is a difference between tounges as a prayer language and tongues as a sign gift. Not everyone speaks in tongues as a sign gift. But everyone can as a prayer language. God bless.
@@deehall7371 Well I can't speak in tongues as a prayer language. So you just admitted you believe only those who are filled with the holy spirit speak in tongues.
@@deehall7371 Allen Parr explains all this so simply. He does not deny tongues he denies the fact that only those who speak in tongues as a gift or in prayer have the holy spirit. He made his video to oppose what Marcus rogers said. Seriously do you not understand the confusion you are creating?
Another video knocked out of the park. This helped me understand somethings even I was a little confused on. Thanks for all that you do for the kingdom.
I'm gonna respond....because I'm a responsible guy 😂😂
I dunno .. parr's stance would go on to suggest salvation itself is not for today ; it's just all part of a narrative which is the bible?
Awesome man. Loved it.
I was told John 20 vs 22 was figurative
I don't think it's any more figurative than in Genesis where it says God breathed into man the Breath of Life
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This is apologetics inception 🤣 somebody call Leonardo DiCaprio
19:27 you begin to explain the apostles receive the HS in John20 nut didn't receive power until Acts2...... yet Jesus gave them power in Luke9.
So which is it???
Again it's not either/or it's both/and. They received the Holy Spirit in regeneration in John 20 but they received power in Acts 2 as Jesus foretold in Acts 1:8. 120 disciples were gathered and filled with the Holy Spirit on the day of Pentecost, but in Luke 9 Jesus gave authority only to the 12.
Rod, I enjoy your teaching, refreshing!
Many should read this James 3:1 NASB20 - Do not become teachers in large numbers, my brothers, since you know that we who are teachers will incur a stricter judgment.
Jesus went to the man at Bethesda to heal him, the man didn't come to Him.
It seems that you have a more balanced view on pentecostalism, but you are the exception...
I'm pretty sure though that Allen is not refuting the sign gift of tongues, but this teaching around it...I was taught so wrong on this and a lot of damage was done...effectively I went all the way the other way into cessationism...praise be to God He brought me out of both of these extremes and out of denominational dogma
Cessationists to me are simply critics who are refusing to accept the power of God.
The name of Jesus is even more powerful than any spiritual gift.
I also noticed a lot of cessationists have been taught wrongly about charismatics.
Yes! There are extremists in Charismatic movement and Cessationism is also an extremism
You are absolutely correct, but the misinformation goes both ways...I laugh when I hear what charismatics think cessationists believe...I'm not either now, but was both at different times in my life...thank God He brought me into His truth and out of denominational versions of truth
Response video to a response to a response 😄
Spiritual gifts should be recognized and understood to be members of the body of Christ. And the gifts that each member is given as a matter of the grace of Christ Eph Ch 4.
The gifts that are given cause each member to differ from the other members, that is the nature of a body.
Apostles, prophets and teachers are members of the body but so are those with gifts of healings, working of miracles, divers kinds of tongues and interpretation of tongues etc.
Therefore, if the gift of tongues is taken away the body is crippled. The same can be said of the gifts of healings, the working of miracles or any other member.
Some would have us all to settle for a few members that meet their approval and reject the rest based on faulty doctrines.
Should we no longer desire spiritual gifts even though the word that is left for us commands us to do so?
Why desire the cessation of members of the body?
Cease with that! Have faith in God, seek to edify with words of comfort and exhortation.
Cessation is simply unbelief. Be glad that there are all the gifts in the body, though not having seen yet believe. 'Cause you ain't seen nothin' yet. Grace and Peace!
Hey Rod ditto on your commentary!👍
Just wanted to add “my take” on
1 Corinthians 12:27-30
God introduced in the church age- apostles, prophets, evangelist, pastors, teachers who were given as an example to future believers of what they can be if they desired to be in that office.
But Paul now asked “Are all apostles, are all evangelists, are all pastors and teachers?”
The answer is No!
But can they be? Yes!
Reading from Paul’s prayer to the Ephesians 1:16-20
Cease not to give thanks for you, making mention of you in my prayers;
That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, MAY GIVE UNTO YOU the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:
The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; THAT YE MAY KNOW WHAT IS THE HOPE OF HIS CALLING, and what the riches of the glory of HIS INHERITANCE in the saints
And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power,
Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places.
Also …
1 Corinthians 2:12
Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know THE THINGS THAT ARE FREELY GIVEN UNTO US of God.
Romans 12:6 states….
Having then gifts differing according to the grace that is given to us, whether prophecy, let us prophesy ACCORDING TO THE PROPORTION OF FAITH;
I hope that it may help some who may have looked at this as a difficult passage to suggest that God limits us from what we desire to be.
4:50 ...how did the jews know they magnified God if there was no interpretation.
Could it possibly be that the gentiles were speaking in Jewish languages that they weren't learned in OR that they were speaking a prayer language?
You seem to be under the impression that this is an either/or situation. The gift of tongues is manifested both as a sign and as a prayer language according to Scripture. As a sign gift unlearned human languages are spoken but as a prayer language you're speaking to God and no man understands you (1 Corinthians 14:2).
Brother the gift of tongues that was used in the book of acts was not them praying in the spirit the were speaking actual languages
I believe I said that
Yes but that is the gift of tongues you said we all have that gift the bible shows us many more scripture when people were filled with the Holy Spirit that did not speak in tongues that the three passages everyone uses so what is your conclusion does everyone have to speak?
@@lugimister Tongues in the book of Acts was always a human language. The tongues spoken of in 1st Corinthians 14:2 was for prayer and no man understands it, which means it's not a human language. So they're different manifestations of the same gift.
Ok agree that they are manifestations of the same gift so that means the only way to use this gift in the church is to follow the guidelines in corinthians
I cringed when I watched Allen's response a couple of days ago, it was unbearable to watch, only got halfway through. All three were wrong to a certain extent, their understanding of the subject is a bit dodgy. Thank God for brother Rod, for his balanced approach.
You cringed because you don't believe in God. What Allen said was 100% correct. If you have a problem with that then you have a problem with our lord and savior!
@@SpontaneousAbstraction what are you talking about man?
@@sthehadebe6064 How can a Christian defending the word make you cringe?? I make people cringe everyday but they are nonbelievers..
@@SpontaneousAbstraction there is a difference between defending your interpretation of the scriptures and actually defending the word. When you actually defend the word you do it in love and with a spirit of gentleness, as the bible teaches. Whatever you think you are defending, is certainly not the word of God because you would also live out.
@@SpontaneousAbstraction next time you engage with someone, don't attack them, refute their argument with a logical counter argument.
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One discourages and the other misleads ppl. We need to let the Bible read us, and stop trying to conform the Bible to our ideology
I was thinking about the same thing,as far as a cessationist in a debate Rod.
We could equate a cessationist with a atheist as far as a debate.
Both just couch the debate, one says the gifts are gone the other says the Bible is a fable.
Both men are Christians, yet the manner of denying the truth is the same as the world for the cessationist.
It is amazing that entire denominations, just pluck out the parts of the Bible they have decided they do not like.
Its I don't believe it therefore its not true theology.
God Bless.
Marcus Rogers said that Allen parr "doesn't have the Spirit inside of him" because he said he never spoke in tongues. I know the pentecostals CLAIM there is a distinction between indwelled and filled, as you said, but it is just a front. They really beleive that you aren't saved at all if you don't speak in tongues.
Hogwash! Marcus Rogers is a Oneness Pentecostal. They're the fringe of Pentecostalism. The Assemblies of God, Church of God, Pentecostal Holiness, Foursquare Church, and COGIC all consider non-Pentecostals to be brothers and sisters in Christ. I say that as somebody who attended an AG church for 6 years. You could just as easily claim that all Calvinists believe that God doesn't love everybody, because there are some Calvinists like A. W. Pink who actually stated that.
@@JewandGreek they lied to you. Get offended if you want.
@@seekingtheoncesaved2834 Not offended. I just have this thing about accurate information. It's important to me.
@@JewandGreek information is useless without discernment. I went to a calvinist church for two years before I even realized that they teach they can't end up in Hell. And everyone in the church would say something different when questioned on it. At the very end of the Calvinist doctrinal system is a brick wall of contradiction, if you can get to the end. I can sum it up with this statement:
"The warning passages exist so that I am warned about going to Hell so that I KNOW I CAN end up in Hell, so that I won't end up in Hell. More evidence that I CANT END UP IN HELL"..
That's what the DEVIL gets every Calvinist/ lordship salvationists to ultimately beleive. A jumble of nonsense that should make them desperately desire to be slapped so that they stop believing such nonsense.
Every clavinist ends up Beleiving this obvious contradiction in their hearts. Then they claim they have assurance of salvation and 1jn5:13 tells them that they KNOW they have been saved and they are eternally secure .. If you haven't caught a false denomination in double talk, you haven't examined their "Claims" long enough.
A lot of reactions :)
Iam convinced that a spirit of confusion is operating in the body
12:30 tongues are languages. If angels come to earth & speak hebrew... wouldn't Yhwh also speak Hebrew?
In the Bible angels spoke Hebrew to the Israelites, but they also spoke to the Israelites in the time of Christ who probably spoke Aramaic rather than Hebrew, and they also spoke to Cornelius who was a Roman soldier who spoke Koine Greek and probably didn't speak either Hebrew or Aramaic. So it would appear that both God and the angels are multilingual.
excellent refutation of an attempted refutation ..... :-))
It's an interesting topic of confusion. You represent the historical Pentecostal view. Allen needs to do proper research. I'd side with the more theological modern Pentecostals like Dr. Gordon Fee and Craig Keener on the baptism with the Spirit. That there is no teaching of subsequence though there is a power dimension. Check it out. I get bemused that those theologically minded cessessantists never seek to critique those kind of teachers..but pick on the simple working pastors or evangelists. Trying to stump people with theological jargon.
Gordon Fee argument on Romans 8:26 is indisputable exegetically. Let Parr try tackle that
I pretty much hold to the historical Pentecostal view on this, as did Kenneth Hagin. For the most part that's what Marcus was trying to articulate, which is why I felt the need to present that view in my response.
Alan Parr is made to look foolish here.
Read all of Acts. Everyone who received the Holyghost spake
Everyone should stop picking the word of God apart in pieces,they should stop arguing the scriptures and people sure need to stop using Gods word against others as a weapon.All of it is wrong, nor is it how God wants us to use it.Its not to be added to or taken away from.We,r commanded to study it to show ourselves approved,rightly dividing it,never to fight with it.All of it is true and all of it is inspired by God.This is really sad and wrong how people misuse and mis handle The Word Of God.(Lord Jesus help us all) God said it, I believe it and that settles it.Our opinion does,nt matter.Use the Word to help one another not argue and tear down others.Your taking something Holy and Sacrad and dishonoring it,thats called blasphemy think about that and stop this nonsense.🕊️🙏
Allen Parr is a Calvinist?
He leans that way but he claims he's not a full Calvinist.
@@JewandGreek Thank you I’m just trying to understand him. Have you done more videos about him?
@@christinamorales6887 Yes I did this one with him and Alisa Childers. ua-cam.com/video/Yl3RlqWEvUk/v-deo.html And this one on Joyce Meyer. ua-cam.com/video/Ru7t0bE8EtY/v-deo.html
Hey again rod. I want to point this out. Your basically saying that these teachers that you promote are Good and sound in doctrine but let me tell you, they are not. Maybe they’re not wrong on everything but they have critical issues that don’t get addressed. You also imply that the people who are actually teaching sound doctrine are bad and should be avoided. I’m not doing this out of hate but to tell you the truth about what you’ve believed. You can take my advice or you can go your own way, I’m just warning you that the people your betting on are false and THEY should be avoided.
Apparently you're not very familiar with my work. I am constantly saying that I don't agree with everything this guy says and does but...
@@JewandGreek I mean I have heard you say that In your videos. I have seen a few videos of yours.
The point is... of all the text you refer to in this video, none of them say: " That all Christians speak or pray in tongues! Nowhere in the entire New Testament does scripture say that tongues,, is the evidence that a Christian has received, the baptism of the Holy Spirit! We do however, find that scripture does say that not all Christians speak or pray in tongues! I Corinthians. 12:1-30 , and what the "Baptism Of The Holy Spirit actually is!
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
1 Corinthians 12:13
In this chapter the Apostle Paul makes the comparison between the human physical body, and the body of Christ, and he points out that if the physical body were made of just hands,feet, or eyes, there would be no physical human body, so likewise if all christians spoke with tongues, there would be "no body of Christ!
12:12-19, 20-28 which is exactly why the Apostle Paul concludes in light of what he previously said, by asking these rhetorical questions in vs 30. Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Are all workers of miracles? Do all have gifts of healings? Do all speak with tongues? Do all interpret?
I Corinthians 12:29-30 The answer to the questions is obviously "NO" every single time!
This video is a classic example of when someone reads their theological biases; ie (" Pentecostal Theology" ) , into a text!
biblical exegesis, the opposite of exegesis (to draw out) is eisegesis (to draw in), in the sense of an eisegetic commentator "importing" or "drawing in" his or her own purely subjective interpretations into the text, unsupported by the text itself. Eisegesis is often used as a derogatory term.
This is without question one the worst examples of" Eisegesis", I have ever seen! What you acused Allen Parr of doing, you are guilty of doing yourself!
I covered 1st Corinthians 12:30 in my follow-up video. It's not talking about speaking in tongues as a prayer language as in Chapter 14 verse 2. It's talking about the ministry gift of tongues with interpretation along with Apostles teachers and Prophets. If you refer to that verse as proof that not all speak in tongues as a prayer language then you're the one taking the verse out of its setting.
Again whether a Christian is speaking in tongues to men or praying in tongues to God, is still the use of the same gift, which the Apostle Paul has previously said, that the Holy Spirit "does not give to every christian!
But one and the same Spirit works all these things, distributing to each one individually as He wills.
I Corinthians 12:11
But now God has set the members, each one of them, in the body just as He pleased. And if they were all one member, where would the body be?
I Corinthians 12:18-19
Nowhere in chapter's 12 - 14 does the Apostle Paul make any such distinction as a "ministry tongues", and a "praying tongues", as you and Pentecostals make, rather it is clear that throughout these chapters, he is talking about the same gift of tongues!
But now, brethren, if I come to you speaking with tongues, what shall I profit you unless I speak to you either by revelation, by knowledge, by prophesying, or by teaching?
I Corinthians 14:6
Therefore let him who speaks in a tongue pray that he may interpret. For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my understanding is unfruitful.
I Corinthians 14:13-14
The implication is impossible to miss! Nowhere in I. Corinthians. Chapter's 12 -14, or anywhere in the the entire New Testament does scripture say, that "all christians pray or speak in tongues! Which is exactly why it is so obviously clear that the doctrine of " Tongues being the evidence of " The Baptism Of The Holy Spirit " for christians, lacks any scriptural merit whatsoever, and is completely "unbiblical!
For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body-whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free-and have all been made to drink into one Spirit.
I Corinthians 12:13
Which is exactly why this video is a classic example of "Eisegesis":
the opposite of exegesis (to draw out) is eisegesis (to draw in), in the sense of an eisegetic commentator "importing" or "drawing in" his or her own purely subjective interpretations into the text, unsupported by the text itself!
The whole bible is a narrative from beginning to the end.
Geez! Now that I read this again I think some may have taken it the wrong way.
This is what I meant.
The bible is true from cover to cover and God uses the narrative structure of the bible whether it's snip it's from the life of Adam and Eve or Noah's to get his message across so that we may know him and his will for our life.
You do a superb job at a hopeless task, defending charismatics and Pentecostalism. Honestly, you are better than what your subjects deserve.
But one error in your critiques is in the criticism of “others” ignorance of a “theology.” No true central authority or centralized doctrine exists for Pentecostalism. And that’s only part of the problem. Neither has truly existed for more than 60 years. (I should say more like 100 years) They are characterized for their lack of consistent theology.
This is why you eventual get glory clouds, playing with snakes, luxury jets, off-shore accounts, giant buckets of rice, and federal indictments.