John MacArthur on Joel Osteen: My Response
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- Опубліковано 8 вер 2024
- A few clips of John MacArthur commenting on Joel Osteen's books Your Best Life Now and Become a Better You, with commentary of course. In this video you'll hear Johnny Mac adding to the Bible and telling an untruth about "Your Best Life Now".
I grew up in a legalistic church , and I was heavy scripture and at the time I thought Joel was a prosperity preacher. I was broke and depressed still. I was struggling on so many ways yet I was reading the Bible every day and repenting constantly trying to live right. I thought it was bad to want to be wealthy. One day a friend sent me a video of Joel and I was hesitant to even listen to him. His messages gave me a new perspective of God and my life changed. I can see why people find fault him but he does more Good than harm. Laugh all you want but I am living my best life now. I am not ashamed of the financial success I have now and I can tell in my spirit that I am closer to God than I have ever been. Folks, God is good. It’s ok to be prosperous and happy.
Wonderful testimony 👍
If your going to be real, Joel Osteen is a motivational speaker, there’s nothing wrong with that. However don’t call him a Pastor because that’s not the Gospel of Jesus Christ he’s preaching, he’ll even admit to that.
When did Joel Osteen admit that he doesn't preach the gospel?
When & where did Osteen say that?
@@JewandGreek Every Sunday. Convincingly
Unfortunately, you fail to see that what we need is a VERY BIG dose of "total depravity" doctrine. We have our ears tickled far too much, and Joel himself has said "we don't need people telling us what do wrong". That's FALSE. We DO need people telling us we are depraved, pathetic, disgusting sinners for that is the nature of sin! The TRUE gospel begins with making us aware of our sinfulness and only then can we realize we NEED to be saved from it. Then, we talk about the redeeming nature of Jesus' act on the cross ... I think you've bought into the pragmatic, liberal, "go with the world's flow" point of view which characterizes the apostate church in these times. So sorry for you bro. Keep searching for truth my friend!
Total depravity says that man is not capable of seeking God or having saving faith unless God sovereignty extends it to him by virtue of his status as the predestined elect. It's a Calvinist Doctrine that's not based in scripture. So no we don't need total depravity. We all need to recognize that we have a sin nature and a sin problem that can only be solved by faith in Jesus. But that has nothing to do with the doctrine of total depravity.
@@JewandGreek bible concordance word chosen in new testament , and word elect in new testament
If you really need to be told then, ..Well, I am telling you that you are deprived pathetic disgusting sinner! Happy?!
Maybe I'm wrong, but I've always had this sense about Calvinists that they really don't care about people who are hurting. They will only give you an intellectual answer and send you on your way, and in doing so, they come across as being all brain and no heart. Yeshua was/is both. If I wanted to send someone who is struggling in life, the last place I would ever send them is to Johnny Mac's church.
Your observation is generally (not always) correct. I recently left a reformed church because of church hurt, abuse, and gaslighting. They were some of the most unloving and prideful "Christians" I've ever seen! All head knowledge and almost no heart. They have an almost elitist attitude that believes "I know better than everyone else". I've never seen such cliquishness anywhere in my life. Long story short, I went through a lot of bad things about 2 years ago, and I got almost no sympathy or care from that pastor or close "friends" there. Just intellectual ivory tower explanations that basically were forcing me to just get over it and not really process the emotions or hurt. Then later on when I gently pointed out some of the unlovingness and clique mentality that goes on there, the pastor shut me down, and then proceeded to shun and ignore me along with everyone else in his little clique.
I agree
14:36 That part, "the truth is everything to me..." You cracked my ribs. Lots of love for you Brother Rod
The problem with Joel Osteen is that when he is challenged he is non committal. When he was asked is Jesus is the only way to salvation he should have said yes and quoted Jesus " I am the way the truth and the life ".
Nino Maltese Exactly and that alone his dishonesty and his failure to speak truth at such a pivotal moment on a platform such as Larry King Live at such and important not to mention, a question is asked instead of just saying this is what scripture says, he somehow gets amnesia he sugar coats and down plays the message, this alone disqualifies his to be a minister of the Gospel.
Joel agreed with you. He admitted that he didn't do a good job on Larry King and he issued an apology and a clarification that he believes that Jesus is the only way to heaven.
Thank you thank you thank you!! Do more like these!! God bless you brother!
You need to see and hear this bro!
CONGRATULATIONS FOR THIS ANALYSIS, SYNTHESIS AND PRECISE EVALUATION!
There is another thing to add:
JOEL OSTEEN NEVER SPEAKS BADLY ABOUT NOBODY!
Nary bad or gossiping words about Jonny Mac, since Osteen NEVER LOOKS DOWN, but up to the Heavenly father. He es a master keeping his peace and his joy.
Thank you for putting your foot down and speak clearly.
I"m from Mexico City, and here in Lakewood Churchv I fell not any kind of discrimination but inclusion in everything.
Jesus spoke hard and criticized the Pharisees and criticized even his disciples. Read your bible, but before that Pray.
This commentary video made me appreciate the teachings of Jesus through John Macarthur all the more. God gives the right discernment to those whom he called and will continue to harden the hearts of those who try to twist the gospel to accommodate the good life here on earth. When our desire is Jesus, we think less of ourselves and the worldly definitions of success. Thank you Pastor John for your conviction of sharing the truth of the gospel.
You appreciate the fact that he lied about what Joel Osteen said in his book? All righty then.
spot on brother. Men love darkness rather than light because their deeds were evil.
@@JewandGreekHe did not lie about Joel Osteen‘s book. Dr. McArthur was right, if you believe only what Joel Osteen preaches, you will live your best life now, when your best life Should be in heaven. Joel Osteen Never preaches about sin and how to be truly saved. You are Not saved by just saying a short prayer. This should Not be your best life now!
@@southerngirl1408 Are you blind or deaf? I suggest you listen to the video again.
Thank you for saying this! I hate seeing Christian’s attacking Christians. John M thinks he is holier than thou.
Jesus said "My Kingdom is NOT an earthly kingdom (John 18:36). Jesus told his disciples, “If anyone would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross and follow me. 25 For whoever would save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for my sake will find it. 26 For what will it profit a man if he gains the whole world and forfeits his soul? (Matthew 16: 24-26). Our best life is not here on earth where Jesus suffered and was murdered, but in the eternal realm that is to come with Christ Jesus
I addressed that in the video. Joel's critics are misrepresenting what the title is saying.
@@JewandGreek Paul the Apostle was martyred and killed in prison. When Olsteen uses that to claim in his self- help book (page 276) that God causes us always to triumph and you add to that "it shows Paul was a great success in life", I could literally puke.
Watching MacArthur relentlessly mock and insult those he disagrees with - getting guffaws and laughs from his congregation - is more like watching a late-night comic taking jabs at Christians. I sincerely believe he's walking on thin ice .
When will we realize that God places different Pastors, Apostles, Prophets, Evangelist, and Teachers in different places with a different audience and with different gifts and talents to reach the whole make the knowledge of the His glory spread across the earth and to show just how the depth of God’s love, goodness, mercy, grace, and holiness. I haven’t been on this earth as long as some of you but I know this every pastor or teacher I have set under has had flaws… they have also been gifted in certain areas to teach and demonstrate the Word unlike anyone else I’ve run into. We must learn to appreciate the gifts in people and be careful to not to bear false witness especially against ministers wether we like them or not. Was not Saul anointed and did he not prophesy but yet he was tortured of devils and was a murder who went to a witch for advice but yet David would not touch him though he was anointed king already because he said Saul is God’s anointed God will deal with him. We all see things from a small perspective can you know men’s hearts, hear his thoughts, and know his intents no but God can yes we must call out blatant heresies but if we are to call someone a heretic you must give them a thorough assessment before casting judgment and excommunicating from the church. You will not get that from a sound bite you must study and meet with them address them try and bring correction and then finally excommunication. I think you put things well @Jew and Greek
oh course he has a way of encouraging people because Paganism does that it appeals to the ungodly the worldly. He tells people what they want to here ( wealth , prosperity and the self) not the true gospel of Jesus Christ .
So you're accusing Joel Osteen of paganism because he believes what the Bible says about prosperity?
Finally, someone who actually understands the Gospel. Joel Osteen is nothing more than a motivational speaker.
What is John Macarthur suffering for, he seens quite rich.
Nowhere nearly as rich as Osteen.
@@Ransomhandsome how do you know?
@@joshua_eigbe
Public record:
Osteen's estimated net worth is between 40 to 60 million.
MacArthur's is approximately 14 million
@@Ransomhandsome OOOh...poor John
The bulk of their wealth (Osteen and MacArthur) is derived from book sales.
I think we are losing focus we nd to keep it on Jesus & pray for one another to find their way in Christ. Criticism is not our way. I watch Joel most days & he blesses me & encourages me.
Thanks for sharing. I just heard Joel being interviewed about this book. I’m appreciating the fruit of the Spirit coming through his teaching. I’m very disappointed at “Johnny Mac’s” need to put him down. The devil is probably smiling.
The "Culture" of a Church has absolutely nothing to do with the Gospel of Jesus Christ... A "Better You Now" doesn't equate to a "Life in Heaven" later !
People who think it’s bad to be wealthy will never have it
I believe John MacArthur should have said that Joel Osteen doesn't proclaim the Gospel of Jesus Christ in his book, instead, though he mentions Jesus it is only to quote and support his positivity agenda, even I can see that clearly. The only reason why Joel Osteen's church is so diverse is that their marketing efforts focus on reaching as many people because that will impact the bottom line. In my opinion, it's all about the money and delivering to the audience what they like and want to hear as opposed to the hard stuff that Jesus taught us about this life and our possible future with him in heaven.
You obviously know squat about Lakewood. They had a diverse congregation 40 years ago when I visited them for a minister's summit. There was no marketing back then. People just came to hear the Word preached and taught by John Osteen - Whites, blacks, Latinos, Asians .... all hungry for God and wanting to learn.
And if you've read Joel's book as I have, he talks about dealing with adversity. I mentioned that in the video.
As for John MacArthur, I've never heard him preach the gospel. He preaches Calvinism. The word "gospel" means "good news". Telling people that Jesus only died for a minority of the human race, and the rest are predestined for hell (for God's glory) isn't exactly good news.
@@JewandGreek Do you believe all people to to heaven?
You seem like you have personal biases against Calvinists. JMac has preached "the gospel" many, many times on Larry King without mentioning predestination or election as those topics mostly go over the heads of the unregenerate anyway. So your argument that he doesn't preach the gospel is rather flawed, not to mention, completely false.
Matthew 4:17
[17] From that time Jesus began to preach and say, “Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.”
Jesus enters his ministry saying "Repent". It is absolutely critical.
Matthew 16:24-25 LSB
[24] Then Jesus said to His disciples, “If anyone wishes to come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross and follow Me. [25] For whoever wishes to save his life will lose it; but whoever loses his life for My sake will find it.
This sounds almost 180° different than some of Joel Osteen ministry. It isn't always peaches and rainbows. You have a cross to bear. You have to repent from your sins. Jihn MacArthur is absolutely correct to criticize a message that is totally contrary to that
@@thomasstokes1949 Constructive criticism is one thing. Condemnation is quite another, especially when it's based on lies.
Matthew 16 24 Then Jesus said to His disciples, “If anyone wants to come after Me, let him deny[a] himself, and take up his cross[b], and be following Me. 25 For whoever wants to save[c] his life[d] will lose it. But whoever loses his life for My sake will find it. 26 For what will a person be profited if he gains the whole world, but forfeits his life[e]? Or what will a person give in-exchange-for his life?
MacArthur speaks the truth!
Sometimes, but he has a hard time with the truth when talking about Charismatics it seems.
@JewandGreek, yeah, but look what you're doing, and you are No better to judge anyone and no Joel Osteen doesn't always speak the truth either because he sugarcoat the word's to make people feel comfortable and he doesn't even speak about hell or Nothing like that and he doesn't preach about it and he even mentioned that himself that he doesn't want to preach about it and No there's nothing wrong about being wealthy and Nothing wrong about being rich and there's nothing wrong about being poor Neither. But I will tell you this the Bible does talk about Mammon so 🤷 you can't serve mammon and God at the same time otherwise it's talking about putting Materialistic things before God.
JM hates anyone he differs with. He bashes everyone. He talks about focusing on the gospel but many sermons spend more time bashing those he disagrees with. Too him, everyone is a false teacher accept his reformed buddies.
I don’t really think that these critics do any research at all! Intellectual dishonesty
Well when nobody ever calls you on your bad scholarship (BS) and lack of research the only thing to motivate you would be your personal ethics. So what does that tell you? Maybe now that they're being held accountable they'll reform somewhat.
Johnny Mac has an out -- he can blame his god because his god has predetermined every thought, whim, and doubt that Johnny spouts off. If you follow Calvinism through to its logical conclusion, there is no personal accountability. Their god ordained the Fall and authored evil ... and still continues to burn babies alive for eternity, all for their god's glory.
IndianaJoe0321
Wow. You really have no idea what you’re talking about, even remotely. It’s probably best to shut your mouth instead of spreading total lies and false accusations. It shows that you really don’t demonstrate yourself to be approved or even one who really handles the word of God, otherwise you wouldn’t be saying any of the things that you’re spouting off.
Ron, I appreciate all those "maybe" statements at the end of this video. I agree with you 100%!
Osteen may talk about what people face "in the real world" but his solutions, basically self help garbage, are straight out of the pit of hell. Seriously, if this is your best life, MacArthur has a point. How often does Osteen offer people Jesus? How often does Osteen mention repentance? How often does Osteen tell people the truth about being a follower of Christ, that there will be suffering and persecution? Seldom. Osteen is a wolf in sheep's clothing and should be avoided.
With all due respect you have no idea what you're talking about. Faith in God's word is not self-help garbage. And the only repentance the unbeliever is called to is to repent of the rejection of Jesus. And every service Joel invites people to believe in and receive Jesus. And Joel does talk about difficulties in his book Your Best Life Now. One of the examples that he used was the loss of his father.
@@JewandGreek sounds very touching. Too many fallacies in what you said though, as it isn't enough just to believe in Jesus. Satan believes, dies he not? We aren't called to repent of sin? If you can find scriptural basis for what you've written here please post it, otherwise I have to assume you don't know what you're talking about.
@@michaelhenderson7739 Show me in the book of Acts where people were told to repent of their sins to be saved. They were told to repent of their rejection of Jesus and idolatry. Repenting of sin is part of the sanctification process once you come to faith. We aren't justified by our works. We're justified by faith, not works.
@@JewandGreek so the book of Acts is the only book we're to follow? How does this have anything to do with what I said?
Joel Olsteen never preaches the Baptism of Jesus Christ his said that there's more then one way to GOD that alone disqualify him a pastor.
Actually he said there's one way to God and that's through Jesus but there's many ways to Jesus.
@@JewandGreek no when he was interviewed by Oprah he stated that thier more than one way to god and who was he to judge look it up
@@o.b.bossdawg9047 I've seen that video, and I stand by what I said. Prove me wrong.
Quite interesting!
Surprising Jesus was close the broken, the down trodden and sinners , his worst enemies were religious leaders and teachers of the law .
Maybe just maybe Joel’s case is synonymous to that of Jesus Christ during his walk on God’s green earth
"Where in the Bible does Jesus promise sickness?!?!"..... Great question! I think that'll be found in the bad news according to MacArthur. He's afraid of the Charismata, but I think Mac believes in "new" revelation, and according to him, he gets to add to the canon.
Timothy was told to take a little wine for his stomach.
No need to promise sickness its alreay inherited in the fall of Adam and Eve . JAMES 5:14 is anyone sick get prayer. Jesus healed the sick , Macarthur did Not say Jesus made them sick.
Suffering is promised if we follow Jesus. That includes sickness. Oof. Hate is also promised
Macarthur's name is on the front of the book dang it
11 thumbs down and yet not a single articulated refutation of anything in the video in the comments.
Folks really need to learn to start engaging on these topics instead of running from them.
You are on fire. God has blessed you generously for this calling. Thank you for this ministry and all that you've invested into it. It is intelligent, inspiring and encouraging. I pray God continues to bless you with favor and flourishes both you and your ministry.
Thanks so much for your support and your words of encouragement. I would still do this even if nobody encouraged me because it's the right thing to do, but it sure helps to get a pat on the back occasionally.
From what I can see alot of people on here support a guy that tells all different kinds of religion they are fine and going to Heaven. That is disturbing to say the least, and is sending people to Hell at worst. My question to the people is, whats the difference in a Joel and a false prophet? I would support a man willing to stand up and tell people the truth of their condition in this life now. John Macarthur is right in saying "if this is your best life, expect it to be worse in your next life." Joel is nothing more than a motivational speaker with Bible sprinkledin, but to people that don't know any better, he is a great "pastor."
First of all, I have explained in other videos how people like Johnny Mac are taking Joel Osteen out of context regarding the book's title. He wasn't saying that our lives can be better than the afterlife. He was saying that you can put biblical principles into practice today that will improve your life, rather than sitting around and feeling sorry for yourself, hoping that things will get better someday. And second, Joel Osteen affirms the exclusivity of salvation through faith in Jesus. He said that in his interviews with Larry King and with Oprah. And unlike MacArthur, Joel Osteen believes that Jesus died for everybody. So there's that.
@Jew and Greek
Now, who is not fact-checking? I have seen Joel say Mormons, (((Hindus))), and other religions are going to Heaven, so I am not sure why you're trying to defend this guy on that point. It can be found very easily on the internet (but you will call out John for getting his facts wrong on the 20 times Joel mentioned Christ in the book, out of over 300 pages). Put one of John's books side by side with Joels and see who gives more glory to God, Christ, and the Holy Spirit (the difference will be staggering, to say the least). As far as your comment about John being upset about not being on The Larry King show anymore, and Joel's books selling more copies (being popular with the world), I am sure the Bible speaks of that as well in several places. Clearly, it says if you stand for truth, you will not be popular with the world. Jesus, the greatest teacher ever said Himself "know if they hated me they will hate you" (I could get long winded on this point but hopefully you have a Bible and will take time to study a little more). I have a massive problem with ppl that twist scripture and I really dont like the health, wealth, and prosperity people (my little girl has T1D, let me know which one you would prescribe her to?). They have preyed on the poor and the sick for years, and it's extremely sad at the damage they have caused. I was at church last night, and we have a Pastor in from South Africa, and he brought up an amazing point. While Jesus was here, He did heal people, He did give prophecy, but His main point was to teach. He healed ppl to get peoples attention to hear what He had to say. That's what John does is teach, like Jesus said, " If you love me, then feed my sheep." Joel gives motivational speeches, just good pep talks, and that's it. Plus, again, I say he does affirm that other Religions are going to Heaven, and he don't like to tell people they are wrong. Why would he not want to tell people they are wrong, maybe because he likes the money, praise of men, popularity, who knows but God. Side note he also lets women pastor in his building, which is also completely unbiblical. Read the book of Timothy, Paul is very clear on who is to be a Pastor. Do your homework, and stop following just emotions.
@@JewandGreek just fact checked you, and easly found Joel scared to death to say Jesus is the only way (on Larry King ). He can't even say a Muslim is wrong. Defend the wolf in sheep's clothing all you want to! I bet you would even defend Bill Johnson.
The only time he mentions Jesus is in a quote from the Bible. He never personally mentions or or speaks of Jesus in a personal nature, only when quoting.
He never mentions a personal relationship between Jesus himself, he merely parts lip service to Jesus.
He mentions Jesus or Christ 8 times in the book. As I said in the video, I don't want to hear any "yeah, but" nonsense. Johnny Mac said something that is demonstrably untrue.
@@JewandGreek ok, what did he say?
@@JewandGreek you don't want to hear alternatives because you want an echo chamber where only your opinions are echoed.
@@JewandGreek it is actually very important how Christ's name is mentioned, he literally sprinkles it in there to confuse the ignorant.
I know because I was one of them.
I'm not even a fan of John MacArthur, I just don't like the false gospel of Joel.
So like I said what did Johnny Mac say that was so demonstrably untrue?
Also I only edited spelling and grammar errors. Typing on the phone I consistently have a word or two forgotten.
When you are driven by hate, lies and contempt towards any man & women of The Lord - your heart becomes easily exposed by any true seeker of The Truth rather than just your narrative! Shame on J. Mac who keeps misleading and deceiving many !!
You probably know this but I have heard Johnny Mac say that pentacostals aren’t saved! Seriously!?
You began this video with a non-sequitur (having a multi-ethnic church is not proof of being a good teacher) and ended with speculation based on a clear joke. But that is nothing. The main problem with Joel Osteen is that his prooftexts (already limited by his message) are often grossly out of context. You didn't address that problem. Paul Washer has acknowledged that he did learn from Joel Osteen about encouraging people, but he still pointed out, as many others have done, that Osteen's citations are 'out of context and wrong'. Just because you disagree with Reformed theology (as I do) does not mean that Osteen's critics are jealous.
Maybe all of his critics aren't jealous but it certainly seems that John MacArthur is. He's so jealous that he's willing to spread lies about what Joel said in his book.
I really think this video is straight on, unbiased and accurate. I am surprised that Joel's book contained so much Scripture, I don't think however that T.D. Jakes is a true minister at all anymore, and I don't think that Joel is preaching in his church really correct theology, his wife doesn't seem to have a clue of a real relationship with the Lord, and if you saw Joel's sister's commercial about celebrating the day of water baptism, you would be mortified, I know I was. However, he does know Scripture, and his dad was spot on, I just think he's deviated from the true Holiness of God, saying on Larry King that he would attend a homosexual friend's wedding, when that's clearly Un Scriptural, and he dances around those issues, and have no fellowship with people like Oprah Winfrey, unless he's trying to gently set her straight. I do think overall you gave a fantastic rebuttal, way to go again!
We need more of these kind of discernment that you have. A lot of christians are following men rather than the bible and God Himself. Johnny Mac for sure is one of the best theologians. But he is not infallible. He too is vulnerable and has errors too. We should not be carried away with his personal dislikes of other preachers even if he is a favorite.
Are you listening to yourself encouragement isn't gonna get anyone into the kingdom of glory. That all that is important.
"6 We have different gifts, according to the grace given to each of us. If your gift is prophesying, then prophesy in accordance with your[a] faith; 7 if it is serving, then serve; if it is teaching, then teach; 8 *if it is to encourage, then give encouragement* ..." (Rom. 12:6-8) No, that it not all that is important, otherwise that's all the Bible would talk about. There is a gift of encouragement, and that gift helps bring people to Jesus which happens in every service at Lakewood.
You remind me of a Barnabas ministry, son of encouragement. Thanks for tearing down harshness in the Body.
Jesus never promised sickness. MacArthur says he does.
I'm a new follower.
You speak my language 😉
I appreciate what you are doing very much.
This particular critique of John MacArthur was very informative. I wish the owners of BRN Bott Radio Network would see it.
Guy, Joel obviously used those passages to promote a different context.
The issue is honesty, not context. John MacArthur told a lie about Joel Osteen not mentioning Christ once in that book. So as far as I'm concerned Joel Osteen is not the bad guy here.
Jew and Greek if you were in line with the Holy Spirit you would not support a false teacher in any way. You are giving evidence that you are not a true Christian when you give a heretic like Joel your support.
This scripture below should cause you to be afraid yet you are unmoved. ¥
Jude 1:23
Save others, snatching them out of the fire; and on some have mercy with fear, hating even the garment polluted by the flesh.
Think about this carefully as your eternal life depends on it.
@@jayman1338 Jesus said that eternal life comes through believing in Him, and I believe in Him so my eternal life is intact. I don't support Joel Osteen. I've never attended his church and I've never sent him any money. The issue here as I said is honesty. I don't like liars, and John MacArthur lied about what Joel Osteen said in his book.
Jew and Greek well I listened to your video and it seems to me that you are encouraging people to listen to Joel Osteen as if he’s an ok teacher.
@@jayman1338 I distinctly said that I don't think he's balanced. However, I admit I would attend Joel Osteen's church before I would attend John MacArthur's. Joel believes that Jesus died for everybody, and that anybody can be saved by believing in Jesus upon hearing the gospel. MacArthur doesn't. He has a distorted view of the sovereignty of God. Joel doesn't hold conferences condemning hundreds of millions of Christians because they don't believe the way that he does. MacArthur does. Joel doesn't lie about what people write in their books. MacArthur does. Now, if that makes me a bad guy for pointing that out then I guess I'm a bad guy, but it's all true.
Joel Osteen is great motivational speaker. John McCarthy sermon was right in some ways but we should rebuke with love. I dont think his sermon showed love. However Joel Osteen preaches motivational and takes the bits of Christ that suits his preaching. He does not really preach the gospel as much of the gospel relates to sacrifice not living the good life.
Joel osteen believes there are many ways to the Father. Is this not heresy
Joel believes that there's only one way to the Father, and that's through Jesus. It's in the church's statement of faith and he affirmed it in 2005 apology for his poor performance on Larry King.
“I see lots of room for improvement in the guy”? For now , can we NOT have “Christians’” critiquing each other in a public venue? There is a biblical process when one has an issue with a brother in The Lord. I appreciate your commentary, but truly believe we need to be sure we aren’t that which we criticize.
Well there's no way I'm going to get an audience with Joel Osteen, and I've done several videos defending him so I don't see the problem in pointing out areas where I disagree. This is one reason charismatics have such a lousy reputation when it comes to doctrine, because we're essentially theological snowflakes. A little constructive criticism is good for you. "Faithful are the wounds of a friend" (Prov. 27:6)
So you say you defend him a lot, do you ever critic him? What's the point of defending if you can't be objective.
Obviously you don't understand the purpose behind "Jew & Greek".
It reveals who love Jesus and who love money.
Its really hard to love the Lord Jesus Christ without being mix with prosperity and happiness of this world.
People will both serve money and God.
Prosperity gospel looks attractive in a human sense but God love those who seek Him and love Him above all things.
You do realize that John MacArthur is worth 14 million dollars? And his annual income is nearly seven figures? And Joel Osteen hasn't taken a salary since 2005? You do realize all of this correct?
Reread my comment.
True gospel is repentance to the sinners. This is the great commission commanded by Jesus to His disciples. There is no new gospel.
@@renantemendoza7393 I agree that there is no new gospel. What does that have to do with anything? The term "prosperity gospel" was created by Word of Faith critics to give people the impression that the gospel preached in WoF churches isn't the same as mainstream Evangelical churches. Nobody in the WoF movement calls it the prosperity gospel. We believe in justification by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone. Is Joel Osteen a wealthy man? Yes. Is John MacArthur a wealthy man? Yes. The only difference is that Joel Osteen believes that prosperity is God's will for all of His children but apparently Johnny Mac believes that it's not, and he's special.
If Jesus commanded His disciples to preach the gospel of repentance then whom do you obey?
Do not be righteous in your own eyes, abide in the word of God.
There's no wrong about money, i am not saying that.what is wrong is that when you serve both money and God.
The true gospel is to preach repentance, the word of God can not lie wether you obey it or not.
If your heart seek God then you will not get confuse of whom you will serve.
I’ve seen video of MacArthur’s church. It’s very diverse. You misrepresented that at the very beginning. Keep following Joel Osteen. Sad.
I said Reformed churches like John MacArthur's church. Yes, GCC has some Latinos and Asians and a few blacks because they're in Los Angeles, but as you go around the country you'll see that most Reformed churches are predominantly middle to upper-class white people.
@@JewandGreek Not sure it really matters but ok. I don’t see diversity called for in scripture. I see God offering his Son as a sacrifice for all people’s sins.
Then why did Jesus Christ die on the cross ? (rhetorical question)
The book of Esther doesn't mention God, would John MacArthur throw that book out too?
John MacArthur can't stand anyone getting more attention than him and his buddies "the reformers", especially when they do their virtue signaling and condemn everyone else..
It's so sad that JMac has straight up lied to his congregation about this book not containing anything about Jesus... and I'm sure they will all eat it up and use that to tear down osteens book when it's completely false... Ministers need to be careful, the people trust what they say.
Great unbiased revealing of the truth.
So many just parrot what their doctrine calls for, and what their leaders say.
This was fair and balanced presentation from a man who does not follow either one of these Preachers.
These presentations are needed so much in this World today.
God Bless.
Devil also believe. So be careful denying the TRUTH. Your lies has consequences.
So basically, these Calvinist preachers teach that everyone should just accept their preordained lot in life. What is ironic is that they all seem well-off themselves.
Or more importantly (to them) that they are convinced that they are part of the preordained?
14 million for JMac a year
@@paulluce2557 Those who are born again are the elect. You can't choose to be saved.
I love Jews and Greeks there are not so many voices Speaking out unbiased truth I've seen him disagree with Charismatics and well as Calvinist, he is pretty unbiase.
I love that he always show those lies from Calvinists more though.
His gift of encouragement and mercy is unlike anything I have ever seen.
20kevron go to a tony Robbins seminar and you will find out they preach the same message.
@@polopopolo2197 I've never heard Joel Osteen drop an F bomb and I've never heard Tony Robbins talk about faith in God or refer to Jesus as Lord. Tony Robbins teaches belief in self. Joel Osteen teaches faith in God's Word.
Except for that one dude...what was his name? Jesus?
@@Hatfield1198 he does make you feel good right? No conviction no guilt nothing to repent for all is well. You need to go to the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob and repent and ask for forgiveness and the gift of discernment.
Yes EXACTLY - Rod -
Jesus never promised sickness - but rather what is easier to say - your sins are forgiven you or Rise up and walk (take up your bed and walk) - sickness was found amongst the unbelievers and disobedient - but to repent and receive garments of salvation instead of the prodigal son's pigsty living
- your rebuttal couldn't be stated clearer -
Jesus's atonement wrought that wonderful covenant (YHWH - RAPHA - The Lord our Healer) in place for us to appropriate and obtain via faith.
AND SO JUST LIKE THE POISEND ISRAELITES in the wilderness that were bitten by the snakes because of disobedience and murmurings - if they turned to their true God (that He is and that He could provide, acknowledged their Rewarder (Pleasing God and finding results- Heb.11:6) and obeyed and turned to behold the brass snake that Moses made and put on a pole (symbolically of Christ's crucifixion = His atonement) - then they would have approved the things that are excellent (Diaphero - distinguishing what makes us different, to show what is more valuable, to take up the victory all the way through to the finishing line unto the praise of His glory (Phil.1:10, Rom.12:2)
- and so they would be saved (including bodily healing from their eminent death) - and so as an example for us as well to enjoy much more and that better covenant even in this grace dispensation wrought through Christ - finding every promise a yes and in Him - AMEN!!!
The Calvinists are trying sooo hard to tip the scales of our promises (as not being, health, wealth, and prosperity) that they are making God's promises to be RATHER BLEAK AND HEAVY BURDENED - OR their surety or excuse to only plod along as best they can and bear THEIR own heavy burdens. YES - WE ARE AWARE OF THROUGH MANY TEMPTATIONS WE MUST ENTER THE KINGDOM OF GOD - but Christ in us makes us well able to achieve that goal that makes us triumph ALWAYS in Jesus (2 Cor.2:14-17) and therefore diffuses the fragrance of His knowledge by us in every place - Hallelujah! and Hence -
Mt.8:17 - He bore our sicknesses and carried our diseases - HALLELUJAH - instead of ashes - Jesus gives us the oil of gladness (joy) for mourning - and the garments of praise instead of a spirit of heaviness
Yes, I also feel Joel could have stated clearer on talk shows that Jesus is the Only Way and to mark those of different gospels, or preaching fallacies - and that there is more to do than a sinner's prayers, etc. - nonetheless - for the Calvinists to concentrate on their 5 points TULIP and total depravity - that we ARE NOT ABLE TO APPROACH GOD TO SAVE US THROUGH OUR OWN DESPERATE DESIRE and hence not able to come to Him through our own will (because of their false premise of pre-election - as if God programs us like robots - are rather something that they must concentrate on and iron out - because that portrays a detrimental presentation and flaw of God's merciful, loving and benevolent character)
and discourages myriads of souls not to approach God (because they have swallowed that bait like a fish captured and cheated (Col.2:8) - that we cannot even approach via faith and find salvation by earnestly groping after God - that is for all men everywhere to discover that all-encompassing love of God - Act.17:25-30).
SOMETIMES GOD USES SICKNESS TO GET YOUR ATTENTION LIKE ME. I REPENTED BUT I AM STILL SICK. GOD DOES NOT ALWAYS HEAL THE SICK OR NO ONE WOULD EVER DIE FROM IT. GOD CAN AND DOES USE SICKNESS FOR YOUR BENEFIT.
If God used sickness to get your attention and you repented then why are you still sick? Maybe your sickness wasn't sent by God. Maybe you're bound by the same devil who bound the woman who Jesus healed of curvature of the spine and who bound all who were oppressed of the devil (Acts 10:38)
Osteen is a good motivational speaker and nothing more. He has the bible backwards. He says just what PEOPLE want to hear not what GOD is teaches us. You can quote the bible out of context and you will get ANYTHING and EVERYTHING out of it. And he may speaks about Jesus, but there are more than 1 Jesus, ( for example Jesus of jehovah's witnesses, Jesus of mormons, Jesus of koran and the list keeps goning on and on and on), but you have only 1 TRUE JESUS and Osteen is NOT talking about the 1 and only TRUE JESUS. You can have your OPINION, but John is right, my friend. So i am 100% agree with John Macarthur's view.
Great video, brother! People need some good news and loving vibes for sure.
Great teaching. You know your facts
Really appreciate your balanced commentary. Joel is an encourager.
Yes, his ideas are a little off sometimes but John told his congregation they could take the mark of the beast and make heaven!! What!? Give me Joel over John any day! And, that blaspheming the gifts of the Holy Spirit didn't go well with me either! God Bless you 😇!
Unbelievable!!!!
No actually you’ve misconstrued that one as well. Your assertion is incorrect. Do some more homework before you come on here running your mouth and speaking out lies. Clearly you didn’t take the full account of what John MacArthur actually said in that questions and answers time.
If you had listen to the question that the young man asked him, and then put yourself in the position in how would you biblically formulate your answer according to Scripture? If you want to be biblical about it, you would’ve said just as John MacArthur did. But you’re taking him completely out of context in fact you’ve twisted the entire situation around and you’re making a strawman argument.
This is case in point as to why women cannot be pastors and teachers no exercise authority over a man in the church assembly, according to God’s word. Just like Eve, who was deceived by the serpent, here you go railing against God’s word. This is intellectually dishonest. You ought to repent for gossiping and spreading lies.
What’s more is your self deceived if you’re going to follow after Joel Osteen, a false teacher who preaches a false Christ, for he does not follow after the Jesus of scripture but follows after his own desires and his own lusts, one who is greedy for selfish gain and makes an absolute killing off of false doctrine.
He follows a Christ that cannot save you. And that’s what you want to go run towards. Let me encourage you to first exam and yourself to see whether you be in the faith. Secondly, test Everything that John MacArthur says against the totality of Scripture. And then I want to also courage you to test everything that Joel Osteen says against the totality of Scripture. They could not be further apart in orthodoxy.
John MacArthur teaches orthodoxy and sound biblical doctrine and utilizes hermeneutics. Joel Osteen preaches himself and fuzzy warm feel good messages about his feelings. I wouldn’t want to be Joel Osteen on judgment day. Nor would I want to be anyone following after his own brand of religion of worshiping the antichrist.
LOLOLOLOL. So funny. Serious subject matter, but I appreciate the humorous approach. Lots of good discussion here. I hope "Johnny Mac" watched this one. LOL!
Page 10? Page 14, Then, (61 pages later,) Page 75? 78? 103? 108? (Then, 40 pages later,) 148? Then well over 100 pages (128 pages WITHOUT A MENTION OF JESUS,) all the way to page 276 for another, singular mention? Clearly there are 7 pages - more than ZERO - which mention Jesus. I suppose a Christian Pastor shouldn't be expected to mention Jesus on more than 7 pages (out of 336,) now should he?
This is an IMPRESSIVE mention of JESUS - - from a Pastor, according to Jew and Greek.
This is your litmus test? Okay. Perhaps I have been expecting too much out of the Pastor's books I have read. Unfortunately, these other books were FAR TOO FULL OF JESUS for your own standards, meted out by Mr. Osteen.
Joel Osteen has admitted his work is less that of a Pastor as much as a 'positive-thinking preacher'.
His Church should be taxed accordingly. Then carry on.
So the fact that they have a worship team, conduct water baptisms, take communion, have bible studies and prayer meetings and feed people ... etc. means nothing? You're basing their tax exempt status on your estimation of the content of Joel's messages? Pretty narrow minded IMO. Do you actually believe that the government should base tax exemption that way? Think of the consequences of leaving these evaluations up to Uncle Sam.
@@JewandGreek So you believe that if you took Joel Osteen out of that church, that all these other services would be just as strong?
I don't have problems with worship teams. I am on two. Conducting baptisms. I have both administered and received. Communion is a Church service ordinarily administered frequently, prayer meetings can be done both within and outside Church, and regularly are... I am a part of a Church which feeds the homeless regularly...
But in none of these instances is the MESSAGE one of PROSPERITY.
God loves you DESPITE your illnesses, DESPITE your weaknesses, DESPITE your sins. The comfort comes from God's love, not from a promise of abundance.
If abundance were 'The Message', then CLEARLY being 'without' is a failure on OUR PART to align properly with God.
@@JewandGreek I am not leaving the evaluation up to Uncle Sam. I am both hearing 'the message', as well as hearing how 'the messenger' describes himself. His Message 'refers to' Christianity, but much of what he speaks on is 'A God of Increase'.
Can you imagine anyone reading the 'FEEDING OF 5000' and actually thinking it was about the miracle of Christ? Only Joel has the CORRECT interpretation: It is about us having INCREASE in our lives! I also believe that if this Church was taxed, that would - necessarily - interfere with God's INCREASE in Joel's life. So to take away the INCREASE would go against the clear message in The Bible.
When Jim Bakker INCREASED - based on Joel's Biblical Message - he was unjustly sent to jail... just for following the undeniable Joel Osteen message. (Please don't read from scripture... you might find things that seem to undermine Joel's Higher Interpretation...)
Of course, Jim repented from his Osteen Biblical Practices. (HAH! Where in the Bible does it talk about repenting from following the Bible???)
I think Churches should be tax exempt, but not because they are 'called' Churches, but because they adhere to the precepts they claim MAKE THEM A CHURCH.
A 'Wiccan' Church deserves tax-exempt status, provided their message is consistent with how they characterize themselves as a Church, does it not? If not, please explain.
@@bryandaley5738 No offense but you have no idea what you're talking about. Joel Osteen didn't begin in ministry until 1999. Jim Bakker had already served his sentence by that time. Try again.
@@JewandGreek No offense but your response seems to be directly addressing something which was not being suggested by any responses proffered. Please explain how the time periods of service have ANYTHING to do with what I said
Try again.
At a point all short clips of McArthur I see on yt seems to be talking about another preacher and the total condemnation coming from him.
Any preacher who gets do obsessed about what another preacher is not doing, calling them by name on his pulpit incessantly i can tell you with som much confidence that God is not in that.
John needs to repent.
I'd be surprised if he did repent. He'd have to empty himself of a lot of pride first. Osteen has some issues with some of his teachings, but I'd rather listen to him than an arrogant blowhard like MacArthur.
ugurjames ozuner , grace unto you, grace grace, may you please explain what it means to be a Christian? BTW I'm a Christian , i got saved by a word of faith church, then went to Times Square Church with David Wilkerson and redeemer with Tim Keller and listened to John MacArthur Raul Rease and D James Kennedy on the radio, then stopped going to redeemer, just focused on TSC , then became a Calvinist thru Paul washer and John MacArthur , I can't remember when I became once saved always saved ( I value my peter Ruckman study Bible ) but I know I had a season of 0SAS. Eventually I began to focus on times square church and Pastor Carter and now I am Jimmy Swaggart ministries, ( that's my way of saying I watch SBN live on UA-cam. I listen to the message of the cross program and I trust daily in Jesus finished work ALONE for the help of the Holy Spirit to make me more like Jesus. Romans 8:1,2 the walk after the SPIRIT is trust only in Jesus finished work on the cross and you will be set free from the law of sin and death. And conformed to the image of Christ. This is what is meant to be led of the Holy Spirit ) But I enjoy visiting Redeemer Presbyterian Church. This has been my journey with God , on my knees, reading my Bible. and hungry for God . amen . Almost forgot I had a season of watching Joel Osteen Creflo Dollar and Charles F Stanley on television. Now I found this channel , the Jew and Greek, very good discernment , very refreshing , A very great big huge amount of sense. Abundance.
WOW! You're quite the ecumenical. Different people mean different things by "Christian". Some people mean that you're affiliated with the Christian faith through membership in a certain church. In the Middle East a Christian is an ethnic or political persuasion. In the Bible they were first called Christians at Antioch, meaning "Little Christs". Most Evangelicals use "Christian" to mean you are regenerated (born again) by faith in Jesus Christ. The Bible says that if you confess Jesus as Lord (God in the flesh, ruler of all creation and the coming King) and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you'll be saved. When you're born again, you have the desire to follow Jesus and be conformed to His character revealed in His Word. I don't know if that's a sufficient answer given its brevity, but I think that sums it up. Blessings.
Brother you are very good rational and logical . But i understood that John Macarthur is having the mind and heart of the God. He speaks of Gods mind.
Jew and Greek, can a man be a strict Mormon and go to heaven with his LDS theology intact?
Is homosexuality a sin?
Would you attend a gay wedding ceremony?
I hope you didn't notice my questions, otherwise I am forced to believe you are hesitant to respond for obvious reasons
@@kevinevans8892 Sometimes I don't get notified about comments for whatever reason. I just found this question tonight, so I'll respond. I have stated that Joel needs to be more discerning, and needs to study apologetics. His statement about Mitt Romney saying he believes in Jesus is "good enough for me" was ignorant because the Jesus of Mormonism is a created being and the brother of Lucifer. But that's not the same as saying a strict Mormon can go to heaven, which would imply a knowledge of what Mormonism teaches. Joel has stated that he believes homosexuality is a sin, so if you're saying that he said it's not a sin you're mistaken. The gay wedding thing was poor judgment in my opinion. So if you're asking if I agree with everything Joel Osteen says and does the answer is no. If you're saying that he denies essential Christian doctrine I disagree.
Thank you for this...you are a good person
You are absolutely correct. The WORLD is far more accepting and in love with Osteen than it is with MacArthur. No doubt about it. And no, MacArthur should not have said that Jesus’s name is not found in Your Best Life NOW, when it was used some 20 times in his 330 PAGE BOOK.
What you’re misconstruing here is that the Jesus that Joel Osteen speaks of, and the Jesus of scripture, are two completely different persons. The Jesus that Joel Osteen speaks of, is not the Lord and Messiah Jesus Christ of scripture. Joel Osteen speaks of a false Christ, one of a different gospel, and one that has no power to save.
Your accusation here is very weak and does not examine thoroughly the text of Scripture. Rather instead, it rivals for false teachers like Joel Osteen. With that I leave you the text of Scripture.
Ephesians 5:6-12
“6 See that no one deceives you with empty words, for because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the [h]sons of disobedience. 7 Therefore do not become partners with them; 8 for you were once darkness, but now you are light in the Lord; walk as children of light 9 (for the fruit of the light consists in all goodness, righteousness, and truth), 10 [i]as you try to learn what is pleasing to the Lord. 11 Do not participate in the useless deeds of darkness, but instead even expose them; 12 for it is disgraceful even to speak of the things which are done by them in secret.”
@@jeremiahyeo5863 But as I stated in the video, MacArthur didn't say that Joel mentions Christ but misrepresents Him. He said he never mentioned Him once, and that is clearly not true. Don't spin.
“Hay and Stubble” - there it is I fixed it.
Your new UA-cam handle. That one actually fits you. Because your false doctrines that you teach will not stand the test, and in like manner - all of your works are going to be burned up, along with you, if you don’t repent.
I think you should recognize that you really chose “Jew and Greek” because you want to sound orthodoxy and so you hide behind this pretentious UA-cam handle to convince others that you know what you’re talking about. It couldn’t be more obvious that you actually don’t.
Let me try once more… Since you’re a little thickheaded and you just don’t understand.
If you misrepresent Christ, then it should logically follow that you are not talking about the Christ of scripture. This means you’re talking about a different Christ, and a different gospel, one that has no power to save you.
This is no different than the false teachings of Mormons, Catholics, Buddhists, Hari Krishna’s, Rosicrucians, etc. They all misrepresent Jesus because they are talking about a different Jesus, a different Christ, of a different gospel. When they talk about Christ, they are NOT talking about the Christ of scripture. They are NOT talking about God. they are talking about a demonic counter fit. This is called an idol. Take note of that.
You have a very obvious issue with giving false teachers like Joel Osteen a pass EVERY time… while trying to split invisible hairs in regards to sound biblical teachers/expositors, like John MacArthur. Joel Osteen never mentions Christ because he doesn’t know Christ, and any “Christ “that he refers to is NOT the Christ of scripture. It’s really that cut and dry. It’s kind of shocking that you keep overlooking this one constant thought. Perhaps God has blinded you. Perhaps you would not understand, so you could not understand.
2 John 1:9-11
“9 Anyone who goes too far and does not remain in the teaching of Christ, does not have God; the one who remains in the teaching has both the Father and the Son. 10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house, and do not give him a greeting; 11 for the one who gives him a greeting participates in his evil deeds.”
Your endorsement of Joel Osteen’s false doctrines and phony Christ that he refers to... demonstrates to everyone quite clearly - that you are self deceived and a deceiver. That you do not know the word of God but rather you pretend to. That you have no desire to handle rightly the word of God, But merely to give the false impression that you do. And that you take part in Joe Osteen’s sin. You sir participate in his evil.
1 Timothy 5:22
“22 Do not lay hands upon anyone too quickly and thereby share responsibility for the sins of others; keep yourself free from sin.”
Romans 16:17
“17 Now I urge you, brothers and sisters, keep your eye on those who cause dissensions and hindrances contrary to the teaching which you learned, and turn away from them. 18 For such people are slaves, not of our Lord Christ but of their own appetites; and by their smooth and flattering speech they deceive the hearts of the unsuspecting.“
Romans 1:28-32
“28 And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a depraved mind, to do those things that are not proper, 29 people having been filled with all unrighteousness, wickedness, greed, and evil; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, and malice; they are gossips, 30 slanderers, haters of God, insolent, arrogant, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, 31 without understanding, untrustworthy, unfeeling, and unmerciful; 32 and although they know the ordinance of God, that those who practice such things are worthy of death, they not only do the same, but also approve of those who practice them.”
(Here’s your life verse)
2 Corinthians 11:4
“4 For if one comes and preaches another Jesus whom we have not preached, or you receive a different spirit which you have not received, or a different gospel which you have not accepted, this you tolerate very well!”
Galatians 1:8-9
“8 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed! 9 As we have said before, even now I say again: if anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to what you received, he is to be accursed!”
The bottom line is Joel Osteen is to be accursed - damned. For you to not even see this clearly, but you instead defend him, really exposes your low view of God, Your low view of scripture, you’re high view of self, and your high view of sin.
The one who is spinning is you. Spinning doctrines, spinning words around, spinning a web of lies, spinning your wheels trying to make the same ignorant point you’ve been making all along. I would urge you to repent and shut down your UA-cam channel which would demonstrate a genuine sign of contrition. And then go sit under a sound biblical teacher and expositor like John MacArthur - and learn something finally so that you no longer need to feed from milk only, but from the meat of God’s word.
Religious narcissists want you to suffer and then brag about your suffering. This is done to teach you to be like them and "virtue signal" they are greater than others because they are suffering.
Some suffering is from God but laziness, unbelief and stupidity also cause us to suffer and many use it as an excuse to get attention. My dad use to brag how he was poor and suffering for God when in fact it was his unbelief and stupid decisions that caused him to suffer. He was also selfish with his money toward us kids and toward God. He refused to tithe, claiming it was legalistic, but then treated us with legalism all the time. It was grace and forgiveness for him but no grace for us, typical of reformed preachers like JM. In order to cover up for my dad's lack of faith and obedience he would make himself look good by blaming God for it.
Godly success is frowned upon by the super religious person because they want to control you. It is easier to control poor, desperate and needy people. The devil also loves making people poor because they are more likely to commit sin in poor areas of cities and countries like India. The spirit of religion wants you to be prideful of your misery while serving God, that way your kids and others will see the misery (and false humility while they are acting like they are serving God) and be repulsed by it. Yet the real God of the Bible actually makes our way prosperous and gives us success in Jesus after building our character through trials. They want to stay in the trials so they get glory for suffering and do not come out in victory in order to give God victory for overcoming.
So you don’t think that Joel Osteen denies essential Christian doctrine, huh?
1)His wife is Co pastor of Lakewood Church. This is not a tertiary nor a secondary issue.Paul teaches “I do not permit a woman to teach nor exercise authority over a man.” I mean it’s not like he’s rejecting the essential Christian doctrine taught by Paul the apostle, right??? Nahh! Let’s give the Osteens a pass because they’re so nicety nice nice. This is an out right rejection of an essential Christian doctrine, and it’s just slapped you upside of your head, like a smelly wet fish. You’re welcome.
2)Osteen teaches positive confession/word of faith /name it and claim it. “We have to conceive it on the inside before we’re ever going to receive it on the outside,”. This is false doctrine, that he teaches by asserting that righteous living and trust in God will result in material blessing. Yet this rejects what Jesus explicitly tells us in regards to suffering and persecution as Christians.....So how does that fit in with Joel Osteen’s gospel of positive confession? Furthermore, God is not our servant or some magical Santa Claus nor a genie in a bottle. This is a primary issue.
3)Joel Osteen teaches that “you got to get away from that.” - when regarding churches that tell people that they are guilty before God and cannot measure up to God’s perfect standard in the moral law of scripture. So how does that square with preaching the gospel, when people don’t even recognize that they are sinners in the first place? For what need would they seek for a doctor when they don’t even know that they’re sick? Would you look at that, this is another one of those primary issues.
4)The prosperity gospel is clearly what Joel Osteen teaches. “Tithing is the first key to financial prosperity.” Yet this is a damning heresy. One has to be self-decieved and deceiving others in order to promote such false doctrine. This is heresy. And there goes another one of those primary issues.
5)He teaches the Pentecostal believe that physical healing and wellness are provided in Christ’s atonement. So then why doesn’t he go and heal everybody who’s in a wheelchair or missing an arm, or deaf or blind or mute? Because he’s a liar, and due to the false doctrine that he teaches, he really strives to pull the wool over everyone’s eyes and fleece the flock for filthy lucre. Wow, and yet another primary issue.
6)When interviewed, about his new book that teaches how to become a better you , Joel Osteen was asked - why there was not one mention of God nor one mention of Jesus Christ. To which Joel Osteen says “That’s just my message.“ And rather than teaching the Scriptures, Joel Osteen says “I don’t think that’s my gifting.“ He couldn’t have been more true blue in saying that. He needs to get off of that stage, shut down his ministry, and stop pretending to act like one thats called to be a pastor while demonstrating himself to be the fraud that he really truly is. Man, it’s like a clown car where those rejecting of essential Christian doctrines keep coming out.
The problem is as a pastor he’s supposed to be preaching and teaching God‘s word, not preaching and teaching his own message about himself. These are not tertiary nor secondary issues, they are primary ones. It is startling sir, that YOU overlook such things.… And then in the same breath try to say that you don’t condone him. You’re foolish. The fact that you try to come across as orthodox and sound in biblical doctrine, demonstrates you to be the fraud and a pretender that you really are. You call darkness light and call light darkness, you call good evil and evil good. You are worldly sir, you have no place teaching anything about scriptures. You need to start at the beginning again a nurse from the milk of the word, and leave the meat to those who are more mature in teaching sound biblical doctrine.
What really gives you away as the heretic that you are is the UA-cam handle with which you constructed in order to hide behind, so you that you come across to people as biblical and orthodox and sound in doctrine.…when you are anything but that. I find that people who - hide behind these stupid lofty and high minded pseudonyms, are the people who pedal the most error.
As a few that I like to list, here are some who have qualified:
Modern Day Zorro“, “Sorrowful Sheep”, “Covenant Caswell”, “ Truth Warrior”, “Ephesians 5:11”, ......and now adding to the list .......”Jew and Greek”.
Congratulations, you made the cut and qualified just like the rest of them!
If you can’t see that Joel Osteen denies essential Christian doctrine, then you must really be smokin that hippy lettuce. Even as a former charismatic, I knew then Joel Osteen was lying and refusing to preach the gospel commanded by God. For you to even consider Joel Osteen to be a minister of the gospel, shows that you’re so far left field picking daisies, you don’t even know that you’re in the game anymore. He’s certainly not a minister of the biblical gospel, that’s for sure.
If Joel Osteen can’t reasonably call out Mormons or modelists New Age/new thought Universalists, Then he can’t possibly be promoting essential Christian doctrine. Stating that the Jesus of Mormonism is the Jesus of the Bible, this is another gospel sir with another Christ one that cannot save you.That’s not room for improvement - That’s HERESY, you nitwit. And what’s worse is that you’re actually blind to this heresy.
The fact that you stand with him just shows that you’re like him. And you’re willing to give him a pass, So that likens you to that of a hired hand who runs away from the wolf and lets it tear apart the sheep. Jesus says you’re either for me or against me. Guess where that leaves Joel Osteen to fall,...against Christ, and since you refuse to call out Joel Osteen’s false teaching, you partake in his darkness, and so the same goes for you.
The fact that you don’t see these things wrong with what Joel Osteen tries to attribute to scripture, really marks you out as likened to a false teacher. You’re in the public square and your disseminating false doctrine by giving Joe Osteen a pass and stating that he doesn’t deny essential Christian doctrine. You actually couldn’t be more wrong in that single statement.
Moreover, you’re completely wrong on the multicultural remark. In God’s church there is neither slave nor free man, male or female, Jew nor Greek. As far as the race card that you’re trying to pull as though you’re promulgating the “woke gospel”. There’s only one race. The human race. The word that you were looking for was ethnicities. But the fact that you make any distinction at all is problematic in your own thinking because it’s not biblical. Don’t you dare try to make a discrepancy between people who have more or less melanin. We’re all shades of brown. You’re just blind and vying for social justice. What a tool.
You’re neither hot nor cold but Luke warm since you refuse to call out false teachers like Joel Osteen who promote a different gospel with a different Christ, one that has no power to save. I should also add, MacGyver called, he asked if he could have his mullet back.
You are a fraud. And you are definitely deceiving many with your UA-cam channel giving Joel Osteen such a pass. You had every opportunity to knock that ball off of the T into the infield at the very least, but alas, you didn’t even swing at it. You opted to just sit this one out, and demonstrated yourself to be unqualified for even sharing the biblical gospel.
I encourage you to repent, tear down your UA-cam channel, and sit under someone who is qualified in teaching sound biblical doctrine. Perhaps even John MacArthur. Of course you’ll probably opt for Joel Osteen any day over John MacArthur, seeing as how you absolutely hate total depravity and think calling people to repentance is mean and uncompassionate. Joel Osteen couldn’t exegete himself out of a paper bag. He’s still trying to figure out who is this Herman Neutics dude.
1. The complimentarian/egalitarian issue isn't an essential issue like justification by faith, the deity of Christ, and the Resurrection. It is indeed a secondary non-salvific issue since you can believe in women preachers or reject women preachers and still make it to heaven.
2. Jesus Himself told us in Mark 11:23 that we can have what we say if be believe in what we say. If you don't agree with Joel's interpretation of that that's your prerogative, but that doesn't make Joel's interpretation heresy.
3. I'm not sure what you're referring to here but I think you're saying that Joel tells people that they would be better served by a church that preaches grace more than condemnation. That's a judgment call. Some people come to faith through a preacher who preaches fire and brimstone, and others come to faith through a message of love and grace. God can use both for His glory.
4. Prosperity is all through the Bible. It was included in Israel's covenant with Jehovah. Job was prosperous. Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob were too. So were David and Solomon, as well as Hezekiah. There were wealthy people in the early church because James told the churches not to show the rich preferential treatment and warned the rich not to exploit the poor. And the book of Proverbs is replete with instructions in attaining riches or prosperity. So no, prosperity isn't an essential. You can go to hell if you're poor and you can go to heaven if you're rich. The issue isn't your net worth but your faith and confession of Jesus as Lord.
5. Physical healing is provided for us in the Atonement per Isaiah 53:4,5 and Mat. 8:16,17. If you consider it heresy to teach that then you're condemning 100 million Pentecostals who have statements of faith affirming that. And the fact that Joel teaches that doesn't mean that he has the ability to heal people. Jesus is the healer, and the gifts of healing are dispensed by the Holy Spirit as He wills. We just make ourselves available to Him to teach and minister His Word by faith.
6. Admittedly Joel isn't a theologian or an expository Bible teacher, but that doesn't mean that he's not qualified to pastor. A lack of theological depth doesn't mean that he's a false teacher or a heretic. It just means that his teaching isn't as deep as others.
I think your issues with Joel are theological more than anything else. You disagree with him so you want to elevate secondary issues to primary status so that you can justify your condemnation of him (and me). Again, Joel affirms the essentials (doctrines necessary to be saved) even if he uses poor judgment and lacks depth. I wouldn't attend his church but I'm not going to condemn those who do. Nor am I going to engage in juvenile namecalling and fingerpointing with the likes of you. Good day, sir.
@@JewandGreek Wonderful reply to these false accusers
See its individuals like you that's wrong with the world. You're standing side by side with a motivational speaker who doesn't preach sin. "Sin", do you understand what the word of god is? If you follow Joel then 9 times, you're a fan of the paganism (false doctrine, and the occult). Its simple, line up with what Joel said and scripture. The bible is not all about good times and great memories, it also preach about those who didn't except Jesus Christ, will not get into the kingdom of God. Joel preaches about what's on the earth (money, wealth, etc). You can believe in Jesus all you want, you have to believe in the " Right Jesus Christ of the bible". I Get it, you're a Joel fanboy, just asks Joel why he doesn't preach sin and the punishers who doesn't except Jesus Christ as there lord and savior? Have a great day.
Another great video brother, just one simple request if you see this, can you give me your thoughts on Gene Kim? If you make a video or respond with another comment it'll be fine, I know he's wrong but why? He has really confused me ;/ thanks again and God bless you 😊
I don't know much about him except that he's a KJV only advocate and a fundamentalist like Steven Anderson. Not a teacher I'd recommend
@@JewandGreek thank you brother I'll stay away because he really confused me and I was wondering what your thoughts were on the matter, as always I'm still learning, Thank you. God bless you :)
Pastors who teach hyper grace (or false grace) overthrow the law when they come across hard verses. The same goes to pastors who teach the man-made theology of dispensationalism (that includes the pastor you mentioned!) who overthrow the hard teachings of Jesus' commandments which threaten their own doctrine of salvation by grace.
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"For whoever is ASHAMED OF me and of
MY WORDS [ COMMANDMENTS, LAW ],
of him will the Son of Man be ashamed when he comes in his glory and the glory of the Father and of the holy angels."
(Luke 9:26 ESV)
"It is written,
"Man shall not LIVE by bread alone,
but BY EVERY WORD
[ commandment ]
that comes from the mouth of God
[ Jesus ]." "
(Matt. 4:4)
Hey Guys. Regarding Dr. Gene Kim I can be of some help here and try to be fair and objective of course ;)
His theological degree is from the very anti-gifts Pensacola Bible College. What I pick up from his videos. Besides KJVO and Dispensational:
- Cessationist and Anti- Charismatic
- Demonizes people very easily with little justification
With titles like 10 Top Demonic Pastors, he has very little credibility to me.
Interestingly, he is anti-Calvinist, and I agree with him on that part.
But overall, I cant recommend him due to his unjustifiable condemnation and misinformation against other pastors.
@@jonathandavid9720 Thanks JD. You've obviously looked into him more than I have
Joel Osteen helps to free certain people from addictions while at the same time he leads them to a false gospel. Therefore he is not fit to be a minister of the gospel.
Joel Osteen holds to all of the essential doctrines of the faith. He affirms original sin and salvation by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone. If you don't care for his style that's your prerogative, but you don't condemn somebody because you don't like their style.
Jew and Greek Sir, Joel Osteen does not confirm the essentials of Christian doctrine nor does he teach faith alone in Jesus Christ alone for salvation. He teaches all roads lead to God. You can look that up on Larry king videos.
Look if you want to defend him that’s on you but many people will see your videos and read the comments and I hope they read mine. This is not about style sir this is about a false teacher.
@@jayman1338 Joel issued an apology and a clarification shortly after that interview. www.albertmohler.com/2005/06/25/joel-osteen-issues-apology/
Google is your friend.
@@JewandGreek Joel Osteen gave a public apology for his mistakes but haven't seen John Mac apologized for his false teaching on the mark of the beast instead his disciples (PJ etc.), defended him and even justifies his false teaching.
Instead of giving people the message of man's total depravity, and our need for a redeemer to save us from our sinful nature (what's actually written in the bible), Joel gives his audience a motivational pep talk and makes them feel all warm and fuzzy, oh how wonderful. He promises them money, wealth, happiness and success and wow he even has more black people in his church. That's so much better then some boring old white guy who actually studies the bible every day for hours on end to teach his audience what it actually says. Joel never bores his audience with that level intellectual nonsense, in fact he only briefly holds up the bible at the beginning of every episode, says a few words about it ( I am what it says I am, and I can do what it says I can do...) and then never bothers to open it. He never preaches about sin (the reason Jesus had to come to earth and die), instead he preaches that we are all champions, that's so much better don't you think? Wow what a swell guy! And I like how this guy is making John MacArthur seem like the evil racist white guy without actually saying it. He also calls the white people rich upperclass and white, that must mean that the black people in Osteens church are all poor and lowerclass?
This is the kind of insipid, shallow response that I've come to expect from the Reformed crowd. First of all, (along with the other points I raised) you completely ignored the fact that Johnny Mac lied about what Joel Osteen said in his book. As I recall bearing false witness is one of the Big 10. Secondly, total depravity isn't found in the Bible because it says that man is incapable of responding to the gospel unless God sovereignly grants him that ability. And third, as I said in the video Joel has his faults. But one fault he doesn't have is he doesn't condemn people he disagrees with based on false accusations. The issue here isn't theology but credibility. You don't defend the truth by spreading lies.
@@JewandGreek So it isn't a lie when Joel takes scripture out of context and twists it to fit his own agenda? Or when he tells his audience that God wants them to be healthy and wealthy, when Jesus actually said that we have to pick up our cross and follow Him, and that we will have tribulation in this world? Jesus had no earthly possession, He was hated and eventually murdered, Joel portrays a completely different Christ, yet that is not a lie? Didn't the bible say that in the latter days men will go after teachers who will tickle their ears? Isn't that exactly what Osteen is doing? Yet you consider him the lesser evil? And just because the term "total depravity" does not appear in the bible, it doesn't mean that it isn't demonstrated over and over again. Just look at David, a man after God's own heart, yet he was adulterer and murderer. If man wasn't completely depraved, he would have no need for a saviour. Then some of us could make it on our own merits. The bible says all have gone astray. Neither is the Trinity mentioned directly but we believe it when we make the logical conclusion. But excuse my for me shallow response I clearly know nothing.
@@JewandGreek And when you say that the white people in MacArthur's church are well educated, aren't you indirectly inferring that the black people in Osteen church aren't? This is called the soft bigotry of low expectations and that is extremely racist
@@conradesterhuizen3453 Multicultural means blacks, whites, Asians, and Hispanics. What I was saying is that most of the Reformed congregations are middle to upper class educated white people but Joel's congregation is comprised of people from different races, educational levels, and socioeconomic backgrounds. Nice try but the racism card won't work here.
Joel will not even say Jesus Christ is the only way. Look it up on Larry King. He is a wolf in sheep's clothing, a cloud without water, and this channel, and this guy defends him.
Wrong. He has stated multiple times that he believes that salvation is only through faith in Jesus. You are a false accuser.
@@JewandGreek look up when he spoke to Larry King. This is why you follow false teachers. All it takes is a simple type in the search bar, and you won't even do that. Type in Joel denies Jesus is the only way, and bame there it is.
Thank you Rod for this video
Isn’t it a shame that neither YOU or Osteen forgot to mention something extremely important... “Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.” John 14:6
If neither of us forgot it then that would mean that we both remembered to do it. LOL And what does that have to do with the subject being addressed - that MacArthur lied about what Joel Osteen said in his book?
You my Brother have spiritual discernment. God bless you!
If you don't ever get sick you'll never die.
Jesus does promise the we will all die.
You don't have to die from sickness like cancer or tuberculosis or Coronavirus. In the Covenant God made with Israel in Deuteronomy 28 He told them that if they kept the Covenant he would take sickness away from the midst of them and they would fulfill the number of their days. In other words they would just die from old age. That's God's plan for us today. Not to die from sickness, but to die at a ripe old age.
@@JewandGreek
Do you think that is for today under our new covenant?
@@Ransomhandsome Yes I do. Hebrews 8:6 says that we have a better Covenant based on better promises.
@@JewandGreek And how many Christians do you know that has died from only old age? Most people, Christian or not, die from some kind of disease or sickness
So Joel just needs to not use God since he doesn’t use Gods gospel .
What do you think about your like vs don’t like statistics ? Does it tell you something
No. Truth isn't a popularity contest
@@JewandGreek would that help explain Osteen’s popularity vs MacArthur?
@@theargonauts8490 no, the point is popularity is irrelevant of truth. Just because someone is popular or popular has nothing to do with right or wrong
I wonder what is more heretical, an image of God as an uber encourager, you can't do wrong, God is all about goodness, or God as a authoritarian, cold, doctrinaire/truth dispenser, God is all about sovereignty and justice? Hmmm.... tough question.
All I know is that YOU like Joel but not Mac. But who needs Joel anyway, we already have Anthony Robbins. Where in the Bible can I read about "living my best life", how can I live my best life when I should expect persecution for believing in Christ, and what will I tell those who will persecute me and come knocking at my door: "Sorry but you cannot persecute me now, I am too busy living my best life". I do not like Joel and his wife sucks (not literally). Joel smiles too much, too many anecdotes come out of his mouth and no preaching, no teaching, just "easy believism" (got that from Johnny Mac). And finally -- I could go on and on --, I don't give a fudge about Johnny, about Joel, or about you: you did not teach anything in your video, you just told us whom you like; so tell me, who asked you, or what moved you, to make this video? Did Joel did? Certainly not Johnny! Sir, you need to remake this video if you are going to side with Joel, and in that new video you need to back up Joel's views with verses or "anecdotes" from the Bible: can you make this video? I do not think so, you are gonna have to wait for a new, more corrupt Bible translation. May I end with with a "God bless you"? Actually, why do you not make a video rebutting me, my name is Fort, Marco Fort.
Why would he bother to read a book that claims a false gospel
If he doesn't read it he shouldn't comment on it. It isn't that complicated.
Whoa Pentecostal/ Charismatic pioneered racial renciliation.😎
They are in it for the 💰 mice in the church
I believe he is referring to William Seymour who was a black man that was the “leader” of Azusa street where all kinds of people from around the world attended the meetings.
I’m sorry I read your comment wrong I thought it said what Pentecostal / charismatic pioneered racial reconciliation
You're wrong about Grace church members they have a lot of different ethnicities in the church get your fact right.
I said "primarily", not "exclusively". All you have to do is look at the faces in their respective congregations to confirm what I said.
John macarthur is a teacher. Only true christians understand that.
I don't deny that he's a teacher. I've watched him for years. Sometimes he's a very good teacher. But when he's talking about Charismatics he's clueless.
So many “Dis-Likes”. It made me somewhat apprehension about commenting on how maybe you should had approach this topic in a way NOT TO ROCK the pedestal that followers of John MacArthur has placed him on .Nah!…Great video Jew and Greek/Rod Saunders
Let’s just love sinners into hell and make them comfortable.
Forget the Gospel..
WE ARE PRAYING FOR YOUR DELIVERENC. WHICH GOD?? CERTAINLY NOT THE GOD OF THE BIBLE!!
I am praying for your deliverance from spirit of receipt and lies. You clearly don't know the GOD of the Bible.
John Macarthur does not appeal to this world. As a matter of fact, neither does scripture.
I have no problem with John MacArthur being out of sync with the world. I just have a problem with him being out of sync with the facts when he's attacking people.
you are so blind to the truth, you pick out one word and scrutinize it, read the bible. This life is to prepare us for the next.
I have read the Bible. There's a book in it called Proverbs. Proverbs is essentially wise sayings for success in life. Not everything in the Bible is about the afterlife.
you’re not fully wrong, but everything given to us is from an eternal being for an eternal purpose, to further his kingdom here on earth and bring as many people to the true gospel (not the gospel of Joel Osteen) so that they may live in heaven forever
@@joelpelton1361 The true gospel is that Jesus died for the sins of the whole world. That's what Joel preaches. We're saved by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone. People get saved and baptized every week at Joel's church.
Joel Osteen withholds the power of the gospel, he preaches wealth health and prosperity, where it is the complete opposite in the Bible, Jesus on earth was poor, we are to live humble lives, Romans 12, Joel Osteen does not preach a saving gospel, they will all go to hell if they do not repent of their sins and run from their wickedness, he makes the gospel comfortable for everyone and himself, he is either working for the kingdom and preaching from the Bible and only the Bible, or he is working from satan, and comparing what he preaches to the Bible he should be terrified of his judgment before God
@@joelpelton1361 Show me in the Bible where anybody mentioned hell in their presentation of the gospel
Personally, I will never respect any preacher peddling the Prosperity Gospel. The Prosperity Gospel is for cowards, both for the preacher and those who would hear him.
Life isn't all sunshine and rainbows like Mr. Osteen would lead you to believe. The rain falls on both the saints and the sinners.
Encouragement is all well and good, but not when it ignores the facts of life.
Mr. Osteen's ministry seems to be the sort that would completely gloss over uncomfortable topics in the Bible, like Job and Ecclesiastes. And I can never bring myself to respect that sort of approach.
Jesus didn't die on the cross to make us *feel better* about ourselves.
When the Bible talks about the rain falling on both the just and the unjust, that's a good thing. Rain is essential. God is good to both believers and unbelievers. As for Osteen saying that life is all sunshine and rainbows, you obviously haven't read his book. He reveals his own pain in the loss of his father, and how he had to let that pain go in order to go on with his life and lead Lakewood Church.
@@JewandGreek Then why does he keep saying all that nonsense about "following your feelings" and "you were born to win"?
If he knows his Bible, he should know better.
JM never said that Joel’s book has no mention of Jesus in it....
I put the clip in the video where he said that starting at 8 minutes in.
Osteen preaches the prosperity gospel and not the entire gospel. I’ve heard him preach that God will give you riches his reach is world and tells that to those people who are living in pure poverty in third world countries
Well John MacArthur says that Jesus didn't die for everybody. Some would say that he doesn't preach the entire gospel. He also preaches Lordship Salvation which some would consider works based salvation. So we can all nitpick about the other guy's preaching style. But the fact remains that John MacArthur misrepresented the content of Joel Osteen's book. Joel doesn't do things like that.
I don’t totally agree with John either but I don’t trust what Joel preaches. It’s always the same there is no teaching from Joel and I listened to him for a few years.
@@bobcatts1174 Yeah, he's repetitive and imbalanced, but that doesn't make him a heretic. Not saying you call him that, but many do. I would just as soon see all of the name calling and backbiting end.
Repent or the blood of innocent lives are on your hand. Pray for discernment.
You need to repent from cursing others and then pray for the Lord to give you wisdom and understanding instead of the spirit of judgement.
This is so good!