More on the Baptism in the Holy Spirit and Speaking in Tongues
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- This is a follow up to a couple of recent videos I've done addressing the baptism in the Holy Spirit and speaking in tongues according to the Bible. I also share a bit of my story about how I began speaking in tongues as a teenager.
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Excellent teaching.this has been my experience-April 7 1978 Baptised in Holy Spirit followed by Speaking in tongues.
As always Rod, you dig great foundations and build upon them instead of just asserting points to make everything seem *safe* to please people. The bible doesn’t need making safe, it is it’s own doorman. It lets in those who do what it says.👍
Very clear. I remember reading 9 O'clock in the morning. Ask God for the gift, thank him, believe he's given it, open your mouth and start speaking in tongues. A slow start, but it developed. Strange but true. Great video.
I've never read that book but apparently some of the people counseling me read it because that's basically what I did.
Wrong. Not Biblical at all.
@@tonyii3818 Not unbiblacal either.
That's how it comes to a lot of people, or so I've heard.
Blessed testimony Brother!
Yip - I was raised in a house of a professor in pharmacology - (my dad being a Prof.Dr.Dr. Andries van Zyl) - one of the most learned and renowned, here in South Africa) - in the top circles as Prof. Chris Barnard - famous heart surgent)
- needless to say what intellectual challenges I faced when I got baptized in water and that night (June 1985) in the shower when I started to speak in tongues.
I didn't even know at that time exactly how to articulate all the wonderful graces received
- but said to my family that Mrk.16:16-17 is happening in front of our very eyes and I could sense and realize the boldness coming forth when testifying about Jesus.
My brothers and parents reluctantly and puzzling asked me if my social, joyfully and drinking days are over now (with them) because I was the joker of the family and always silly about all matters of life - but found me all of a sudden more serious about things (as if they felt I had no more sense of humor - because I was so engaged suddenly with the word of God every night and day and not just leaving it all up to Sunday's church meetings
- In any case - found that I was just too fanatical and making too much of the experience - it is just not normal and that I need to become balanced again!!!)
Also confronting me - why I am behaving so differently (immediately - no more cursing, smoking, or carrying on with reveling and selfish, idle and meaningless get-togethers and drinking parties, no more looking at rated movies, etc. nor below-the-belt jokes, etc.
- but striving to live a life of virtue and to add to my faith all the gifts and benefits for an abundant entrance into God's everlasting kingdom and Lord Jesus Christ (Psa.1, 2 Pet.1:5-11)
- where I acknowledge that I have discovered satisfaction in Christ (Psa.17:15) - fulfillment in Christ and am now walking on in the Lord rejoicingly (like the Ethiopian in the desert - after being baptized - Act.8:26-40)
- then left engineering and went around from town to town ministering the Gospel of Christ and baptizing those who believed. Also experienced many miracles as I laid hands on the sick where we saw wonderful recoveries and healings.
Must say my parents were perplexed and always cautious because this was absolutely abnormal and very strange to anything our traditional churches ever preached and stood for
- also felt it very strange that I would drop my professional career and future prospects to pursue a ministry (doing my own thing (so-called) - however, led by the Holy Spirit and living in faith.
- and not part of their main line reformation/ traditional church/Calvinism manners of shunning the gifts of the Spirit). They called for the reverent to come and see me. He then wanted to place me under censorship after hearing that I got baptized and speaking in tongues, so I parted ways there and found pentecostal meetings of like precious faith believers to enjoy effective fellowship (Philemon 6).
My parents have now passed on, and my eldest brother and my youngest sister too - they never got baptized (my dad, on his deathbed, asked me not to nag anymore about his relationship with God
- so I left that night mourning all the way back to my house
I have however heard that - just before he died that night - he apparently saw his death angel - sat up and said - "Sister, Sister come quick, I see a death angel coming to fetch me" - The sister replied - "Nonsense Professor, just lie back again and go to sleep" - a couple of hours later he passed on.
- I always prayed and believed God for my house to also become converted and saved
- cried a lot about their stubbornness and unbelief (not willing to yield to Act.2:38, Mrk.16:16, etc - to receive the implanted seed with meekness - to save our souls and for us all to become doers and not just hearers only -Js.1:21-22)
- yet - still going on in the Lord and forever grateful that I have seen the light of redemption and salvation leaving such delicate (close to home) cases (as well up to Him) - that is to trust my Lord to judge those outside the body.
Everyone will have to work out their own salvation with fear and trembling
and thus stand responsible for our own lives in front of that great judgment seat
I eagerly exhort folk around the world not to neglect spiritual gifts but to pursue them - for these are for our edification and strength and work through the same Spirit for the glory of God (but to also discern accurately in all the hundreds of different denominations of today whether a prophecy or word is according to the truth - via the Holy Spirit)
- For me thus to follow the steps of Jesus Christ to love (love rejoices in truth - 1 Cor.13) and always to remain willing to minister in every circumstance and place through the Spirit of God - where so ever we find ourselves - desiring for everyone to be saved (Rom.1:15) - Amen!
Amen! Awesome understanding and use of supportive scripture as usual Rod!
Be blessed my brother in Christ
AMEN! In my experience I received a powerful outpouring of the Spirit the moment I was saved. I began singing and speaking in tongues very fluently, and the next morning I stayed in my dorm room for four hours praying in tongues. I was so encouraged when I finally read Acts 10 and saw that the believers in Cornelius' household had a similar experience. What a blessing it was to get saved in the mid-70s, when a Charismatic revival was sweeping through the churches in North Carolina (to the chagrin of many of their leaders). Thanks for following up on your last video on this topic.
So do you speak other languages
I don't believe you. You people never bring proof.
Thanks for your testimony, I likewise had a remarkable conversion, being baptized with the Spirit in the solitude of my bedroom. The Spirit fell on me, and filled me so much I thought that I would burst unless I gave vent to what had built up inside my belly. Then I opened my mouth, my heart was filled with praise to God, but what came out was stammering lips, see Isaiah 28. The room filled with smoke, and I fell on my knees, being full of praise to God. Some days later, I was praising God, and lo and behold, the Spirit fell on me again, I began to speak with tongues, and could no longer, stand on my feet as the weight of the glory forced me downward until I was prostrate on the floor. For about forty-five minutes I was in that position, not knowing whether I wanted the Lord to turn it up, or to turn it off, because I didn't know how much more I could bear.
I believe it good to testify of the things that God has done for us. Sometimes we compare notes and learn from each other.
Be blessed and be a blessing.
@@danmarley2886 Amazing. I had a very similar experience when I received the Baptism of the Holy Spirit.
@@adambowman6401 who spoke other languages when they received the gifts, people heard in their language but the Apostle only spoke tongues, and through another Spiritual gift called the interpretation of tongues the Holy Spirit enabled men to hear their languages.
Nicely done, Rod! 😎👍
It's just so happens that I had just watched that Mike Winger video a couple days ago and also had a few objections. Your video was perfect timing on this! 💯
Btw: I like your lighting in this video. Looks like you added a slightly warmer hue on one side? Very subtle but looks good! ✅
Keep up the good work. Blessings! 👑
Thanks Jared. I usually shoot at night so all the light comes from my lighting equipment. This one I shot in the daytime so there was actually outside light coming in, too. The more you do this the more you realize the subtleties of lighting.
I'm following you for a couple years now I really appreciate your videos like you I was raised up a Baptist until I got filled with the spirit and started speaking in tongues.
Great video, great explanations and very similar to my own experience. Wondering what was happening and then fully expressing the tongues. I live in Zambia, a country in Africa. Here pemtecostalism or charismatic churches are quite the norm. Though Baptist, Anglican, Adventist and Catholic churches are the standard in a sense. Non Holy Ghost experiences. I grew up in the Catholic church and always desired more of God.
I ridiculed televangelists like Benny Hinn and people "falling" seeing it as cheap tricks until in my 2md year of university I "fell" and experienced the baptism i. The Holy Ghost. I would experience tongues or the desore to do so especially when in worship or the choir was singing songs of worship.
Now 12 years later its all very natural to me. Thanks Rod for being a great defender of the Faith and standing up for The Word of Faith. Keep up the good work. Always enjoy your videos. God bless you.
Very good Rod! I was given tongues just after I was saved. I never asked or had anyone lay hands-on me.
Prophet are ya?
Prove it. Nobody can.
Well this one was completely enjoyable and I think you did an awesome job explaining it! If I may be so bold, I think to help from who are on the edge The vital also clearly states that the spirit raised out of our groanings which means we ain't got the words when we are in so much turmoil and pain and we know we need to pray that we hang out the slightest idea of what we are supposed to pray The Holy Spirit will be the praying for us and I believe that that's part of speaking in tongues. I might not have full knowledge of everything that I'm praying about when I pray in the spirit but I know that there's a difference but sometimes I might be crying and not understanding why other times I ache , there are other times I had to laugh there are times where my speech is strong and demanding so I think this is how we send the host of angels out and how we combat some things that we just don't realize or even going on around us Sir you did a really good teaching and I appreciate it
Amen and amen brother
Amen awesome video
Wow brother, I see a lot of similarities from your testimony and my own, I am still a baby in all this but was baptized in Jesus name Jun 2020 and spoke with tongues December 2020. Not very fluently or very long, but the Spirit gives utterance and am sure it will build.
Sure you did. No interpreter?
@@tonyii3818 don't try to trip me up sir, I know what the scriptures say about private and public tongues for edification.
@@danielstewart5689 Prove it.
@@tonyii3818
1 Corinthians 14:4 , 1 Corinthians 14:28
@@danielstewart5689 You prove it. Physically. I know Scripture. I know a lie when I hear it too.
Amen, Brother Rod, Amen! Great video, Be Blessed!
Enjoyed hearing more of your testimony.🥰 One thing I really relate to that you said is that I have been in many of a wonderful church service enjoying it a move of the spirit quietly worshipping God and later after the service someone sitting behind me would say what was wrong with you, how come you just set there. That kind of ruins it for me.😞
I am watching this in 2023, and it is so helpful, thank you so much this 🙏🇺🇬🇺🇬🇺🇬🇺🇬
Brilliant example of keeping topics in context.
Thanks so much. You’ve provided clarity & a very solid, objective view on this spiritual gift. Empowerment to worship & minister in the Spirit. God bless you brother.
I had a very unusual experience when I received the Baptism of the Holy Spirit. That experience anchored my walk with Christ, and gave me a reference that has kept me through many trials and testings.
Thank you so much for this!🙏
Good video Rod
Thanks for this brother!
Thank you dear brother from Italy. I follow your teachings and always are a blessing. Do you have any teachings on women preaching /teaching? Really would appreciate it. Thanks again. Blessings.
ua-cam.com/video/7T1FYTQi40A/v-deo.html Watch the second half.
Thanks brother. Be blessed
Excellent word! Thank you!
Thank you for such a clear and practical conversation on tongues
Thank you for your testimony. It is an encouragement.
Very good mate
sounds like wisdom :-)
Hi Rod, thank you for your video. It helped.
But wanted to know on what do you think about the praying in tongues by Torben Sondergard? Just a question that came up..
He reminds me of some of the old-time Pentecostal people I used to hear speaking in tongues. It doesn't really sound like a language but who am I to judge?
Hi Rod,
That was a nice video and a lovely story of the guy who you had the word of knowledge about his young life. What a great testimony about the wonderful gift of tongues.
There is a lot of talk about Hillsongs. You know what the worship from that church has generally been outstanding if I am honest. Do you have any videos planned, call me naive but I don't think Brian Huston has done that bad unless I have missed something, I just heard that it was allegations about his Dad.
Anyway a video from you on that or peoples responses to it would be good.
Living Waters did one but it was more on living by the law than and revealing insight to what has happened at Hillsongs.
God bless you bro.
I haven't watched the documentary and I don't feel like spending the money to do so. But who knows?
@@JewandGreek Yeah I get you, I just saw the Ray Comfort did one on it but it wasn't very good in my opinion.
You know though Hillsongs has had many critics but I think the worship from them has been outstanding and brings much glory to God. I really enjoy your videos so please keep going.
God loves you man
I like how Mike Winger says " i think biblically speaking..."
His opinion. Unlike many Calvinist who try to shove cessationalism down your throat
Very good. Love your teachings.
Your testimony is a blessing, I know people who believe in the full Gospel but do not
care for the emotional aspects.
In otherwords their not fans of the hard preaching almost shouting the the Gospel out.
Personally I'm saying Amen Preach!
I guess we think sinners are hard of hearing!
God Bless you Rod.
Great video !!!!!! 🔥
AMEN.
What about 1 Cor 12 vs 13 “KJV: "For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit." ... But we have all been baptized into one body by one Spirit, and we all share the same Spirit."
What about Charismatics who says some do speak in tongues but it is not in all cases tongues is evidence? How does one respond?
That's why I gave the five examples. This isn't something that we should argue about and divide over, but I think it's pretty clear. But the fact that Paul says we should all speak in tongues should be enough. As for 1 Cor. 12:13 I would link that to Eph. 4:5.
@@JewandGreek ooooh never saw that link before. It makes a lot of sense.
Thank you for this teaching. I speak in tongues when I am praying and not until I get the urge from the Holy Spirit. I am not completely comfortable with it , because if some of the things you mentioned. I truly only want what God wants. I want to please Him.
I have some questions. Would it be possible to ask privately? Email? Or....? I have Facebook messenger, is that an option for you? It's about Tongues and quite detailed.
The email address is in the video bottom left
Before I even watched this video I knew Pastor Mike's video was going to come up. As much as I love Pst. Mike winger, I don't think he got it right in that video. Great video by the way Sir Rod
Thanks R9b though I actually think that baptism in the spirit best describe getting saved. I think the better term to describe the other experience has brings the empowerment is receiving the Holy spirit. I think the early Church got born again and received the Holy spirit in the upper room in acts 2. I don't think that the John 20:22 account where Jesus breathe on the disciples does not necessarily mean they got born again through that. I know that is a very popular view but I am not convinced that view is accurate.
There are many aspects of salvation, for instance Like 7:47-50 reveals the forgiveness of sin is salvation. And be mindful of the fact that the old testament was still in force when Jesus told the woman her sins were forgoven and her faith had saved her.
She was saved as well as the disciples before the death, burial and resurrection of Christ.
In Romans 10:8-10 we see that our righteousness or justification is salvation.
Hebrews 10:39 shows that the saving of the soul is also salvation. 2Peter 3:15 is salvation.
These are a testament to the manifold grace of God.
What about sanctification, preservation, resurrection, glorification and adoption, redemption and translation? You be the judge.
The new birth is the results of the process of perfect sanctification or holiness, being born of water and the Spirit.
Titus 3:6 says By his mercy he has saved us by the washing of regeneration and the renewal of the Holy Ghost.
It is the putting off of the old man and the putting on of the new man which is created in righteousness and true holiness.
Put on the Lord Jesus Christ. This is the experimental new birth not positional. Paul prayed for the Galatians and the Ephesians that Christ might be formed in them. He also said in Galatians that I'm crucified with Christ nevertheless I live, yet not I but Christ lives in me... Grace and Peace!
Hey Rod, this is an interesting one.
Mike Winger is going to use his point to then deny the event of baptism in the spirit.
Now I have been a tongues talking, prophesying pentecostal since 1981, most of that time in an AOG church here down under.
But Mike is correct with this account of the group in Ephassis.
Think about it logically, these folk were followers of John T Baptist. Johns ministry was before the appearance of Jesus. John taught repentance of backslidden Israel, to make straight the path of the coming Messiah, which Israel expected!!! This was a Jew baptizing Jews for a very Jewish future outlook. "He (Jesus) came to his own (Israel) but they recieved him not."
Christians were unknown at Johns baptizing, and this was about purifying themselves in repentance for bad stuff they had done going back to King David.
Christians were unknown until after Jesus was crucified and Peter said (again to Jews) in Acts2, "this man you have crucified has been raised and MADE LORD AND CHRIST."
You see? After that many believed and followed the christ,... i.e. became christians. "Got saved."
So this group, and they admitted it there in scripture, knew nothing of this new Lord and teaching about the body of christ!! They were a bunch of true hearted Jews waiting for their Messiah, they had moved to Ephasis from the Jordan river where they had met John T Baptist.
So now they "got saved" and spoke in tongues right there, just like Cornelious's family! They became christians right there, and became the church in Ephasis that Paul later writes to.
So technically Mike Winger is correct in his technical point. This piece of scripture is erronously taught in penticostal churches as an example of baptism in holy spirit to christians who "havent had it yet" , it was taught to me like that back in 1981 where I accepted it, because the Pastor told me (and he is a man of God!!!) . I since learned of the issue when I began studying this seriously in 2017 when challenged to explain tongues, by a baptist lady.
Its just plain logical. There were no christians prior to the death and resurection of Jesus, just a bunch of jewish disciples and a lot of folk looking on, most not believing that he was their Messiah!
Oh, and tongues, interpretation, discernment, prophecy etc are not separate power gifts either, they are as Paul says in 1cor12 "Manifestations" of the gift, which gift actually is holy spirit. All believers are filled at conversion, the power gifts are listed later in chapter, apostles pastors prophets etc. Special ministry gifts. The rest of us normal folk have direct connection to the Lord Jesus through that indwelling spirit we are all sealed with, so can manifest what ever aspect is needed in a situation, as a member of Jesus body. Like he is there in us.
Thats what being a member of the body is all about!
If folk dont believe me go get a Koine Greek interlinear and an old copy of KJV which has italics for words which are not in the original greek, and see how many of those "gift" words fade away. Church speak has clouded Pauls straight forward writing!!
Its all about a typical church meeting in ch12 and how spirit manifests in ALL the believers present, and them doing that in order, not in chaos as the Corinthians were doing.
I guess folk will rant at me, but hey, wouldnt it be empowering if we all accepted and expected to do all these manifestation things instead of the current hide and seek game of who has a gift or not? Now in my old church none of it happens now anyway, and someone speaking in tongues gets a glare or told to stop, which is why I aint there any more. So I am with you Rod in encouraging this, its just the old church speak which distorts the truth.
First of all, they were referred to as disciples, which usually suggests followers of Jesus. It doesn't say that they didn't know about Jesus. It says that they didn't know about the Holy Spirit. But whether they were already believers in Jesus or not, they certainly were by the time Paul baptized them. Now according to credo-baptism proponents, the Holy Spirit comes to dwell in you once you believe in Jesus and are born again, and after that you follow the Lord in water baptism. So we have to conclude that these disciples were already indwelt by the Spirit prior to their baptism and prior to Paul laying hands on them to receive the Holy Spirit and speak in tongues. So whether or not they were already believers, their experience was still a subsequent experience to regeneration and it was accompanied by tongues. So no, Winger wasn't right. Neither was Sean Christie, and neither is anybody else who thinks that the baptism in the Holy Spirit is referring to conversion and/or regeneration.
@@JewandGreek yes Rod they were disciples... of John the baptist. They followed johns work of waking up israel to the coming messiah.
they were promoting the messiah of israel. as promised in the prophets of old where the mystery was never expounded, the mystery that a new group neither jew nor gentile would become the body of christ.
They knew nothing of this mystery, a secret hid in God, they were waiting for their jewish messiah.
Paul brought them the final good news that the messiah did come and was rejected and God had raised him and made available a new form of salvation to all nations..
so they got converted right there.
its a conversion event, not a separate meeting with a third person of a trinity.
I dont much like his style and certainly not his theology, but Mike Winger is right in the detail here Rod and you are just holding to pentecostal dogma.
@@ken440 I'm exegetic the text. Either you're making the case that Paul baptized people who were not born again believers indwelt by the Spirit of God, or you're making the case that Paul had the ability to regenerate believers post-baptism via the laying on of hands, both of which are unscriptural.
@@JewandGreek come on Rod, who is Exegeting what here. you make a wierd case with strange logic.
Ch19 we see Paul first encountering some devout believers in a Gentile nation and in v8 we see he went with them into their synagogue.
INTO WHAT? SYNAGOGUE!
i.e. they were Jews, believers in YHWY, living in a pagan nation.
(These once saved are the first guys who make up the church in Ephesis who Paul a couple decades later writes to in the letter to the Ehesians)
inActs19: v2 we see they have never heard of a spiritual awakening or conversion (christianity, believing on risen Christ, because when they left John at the Jorden Jesus had not yet showed up, certainly not died and risen) and we read in v3 they admit to being baptized into Johns baptizm and v4 Paul says "john baptized repentance and belief in the one to come (see, they are jewish believers, repented from Israels backsliden condition) and so who were the Jews expecting to come? Their messiah! Not someone saving all the nations by his death, but a ruling king to restore Israel. Believers! Believing in YHWY.
v5 we see they believe Pauls testimony (of what happened in their absence) and are baptized into Jesus. i.e. become followers of the risen Christ. That means become christians, saved, converted!
Then "hey what!" they speak in tongues like Cornelious's lot did with Peter.
So they spoke in tongues and prophesied upon conversion! My point and inadvertently also Mike Wingers.
The difference is Mike wants to down play manifestations like tongues and prophecy, because he doesnt understand any of that, he is a book man (and probably only the english version) while I am keen to show believers that this manifesting the spirit within, is something all believers are capable of doing, and should be doing, as Paul explains in 1Cor12 (as long as they do it in orderly fashion) as it is not a matter of who does or doesnt get certain "gifts" but whether they use their will to allow the spirit within to manifest in one of the nine ways listed, when needed.(not because they dont have a particular gift, thats bad translation exegesis makes folk think that)
Most dont, or say they cant because they dont want to, they do not exercise their free will to want to, due to things like fear and pride.
Instead they use their will to deny or misconstrue what Paul clearly teaches.
I say, as Paul does, " I would that you ALL spoke in tongues, however it would be better to prophecy." (because then all the body understands the words and is built up by what the spirit says)
Reiterating, the ephesis believers are Jews who want their Messiah, they hear the fuller story, believe in YHWY's plan of the risen christ, the lamb of sacrifice, and are miraculously changed into that "new creation neither jew nor gentile" that Paul later writes to them about to clarify.
Eye de ye ken wha' im sain mon?
@@ken440 isn’t it amazing what an actual Bible can clear up?
In the last days people will have a form of godliness, but deny the power thereof
The gifts of the spirit are meant for believers and are for today, in the Book of Joel it says In the last days, I will pour out my spirit on all flesh. Your son's and your daughters will prophecy, your old men shall dream dreams your young men shall see visions. We are in those days.
For the Cessionest who talks about Hondas
Even Pentecostal scholar and AOG member Gordon Fee says there is little scriptural evidence for this Pentecostal doctrine and he holds that the baptism is at salvation.
And his thesis was at odds with the AG statement of faith (aka statement of fundamental truths) and those of other Pentecostal denominations. It doesn't make him wrong, but neither does it make the Pentecostal consensus wrong.
@@JewandGreek true but you'd be hard pressed to find a Pentecostal/Charismatic scholar on the same academic level as him. Maybe Craig Keener but I think he may hold to the same position as Fee.
@@LionPebsX Yeah, I'm not into appeals to authority. I've encountered a lot of people with advanced degrees who are deemed authorities and have no idea what they're talking about in many areas. I believe theology and apologetics are doable by people with no degrees in theology who love God and His Word and want to further His Kingdom rather then build one of their own.
@@JewandGreek neither am I, but just a little strange that this view is almost absent from scholarly discussion. Kind of like how after Pentecostals force fit it in Acts, it's entirely absent from all NT books after that. Strange indeed..
Third wave theology of the baptism has it right.
Why not give an example of what it sounds like?
You do not believe?
Pentecostals came from Azzu street. 1900s
You’re the first public figure I’ve seen who is a strong apologist for Pentecostalism. I actually appreciate that because through you people who are willing can understand what it really is, what it is not, and what it should not be.
On your video, the thing is, I don’t think a lot of your subtle swipe at people not wanting to speak in tongues is fair or necessary or even true. I’ve seen people who neither understood nor wanted it get the gift.
Then, context does matter. I’m glad you know that. But probably even more so as it relates to the difference between descriptives and didactics in scripture. Some groups of Christians have the habit of muddying the waters between the two to establish without reasonable doubt - rather than humbly discuss, for a start - doctrines scripture never establishes, especially with tongues.
The fundamental premise of interacting with the Bible at all is to read it how the writers intended for it to be read. I’m only saying this because you leap in and out of unconnected verses - books even - of the Bible and fit them together to preach one thing that was rather read into a text. It should be the other way around - scripture prescribing and producing doctrine not doctrine beaten to fit scripture, as you have instead accused others of doing.
I wish the majority of the people in your comments would interact intellectually with your posts. I’d love to see you with Mike Winger together discuss this rather than draw the conversation to your corner and tear it down, so that people can see that it’s not all clear cut as you’re making it out to be.
You call it a subtle swipe but I clearly stated that I understand because I felt the same way. This is how I know that people feel this way because I felt that way and I've heard numerous people over the past 45 years tell me the exact same thing. There is undeniably a stigma about speaking in tongues. When you grow up in a cessationist Baptist environment you're made aware of that stigma. When you see charismatic and Pentecostal churches slowly move away from practicing the gifts it's a pretty good indication that they're no longer comfortable with them in operation.
Well he made it clear cut because in the Bible it is clear cut, you have to have someone preach to you to think otherwise.
And cessationists don't have a true message for all I've seen especially on this app, their only gospel is preaching about Pentecostals and WOF.
@@joshua_eigbe that’s not true. If you are willing, brother, I can refer you to people who first of all define cessationism correctly, and second, who teach sound teaching from the scripture. We are all cessationists, if you know the correct definition.
@@MonLeeMane well the proof is in the pudding and we are not all cessationists, yes we cannot do things exactly like the apostles but we aren't all cessationists, we don't all hold on to TULIP
Read in context, why pursue tongues alone when Paul wants prophecy more than tongues, will it’s easy to fake, it will be a mystery when no one is available to interpret and only God understands.
1 Pursue love, and earnestly desire the spiritual gifts, especially that you may prophesy. 2 For one who speaks in a tongue speaks not to men but to God; for no one understands him, but he utters mysteries in the Spirit. 3 On the other hand, the one who prophesies speaks to people for their upbuilding and encouragement and consolation. 4 The one who speaks in a tongue builds up himself, but the one who prophesies builds up the church. 5 Now I want you all to speak in tongues, but even more to prophesy. The one who prophesies is greater than the one who speaks in tongues, unless someone interprets, so that the church may be built up.
Paul said that he preferred prophecy in public assembly because people could be edified whereas they wouldn't be edified by tongues alone without interpretation. For private devotion it's a different matter. Paul said that he speaks in tongues more than the rest of them, but in the church he preferred prophecy unless the tongues had an interpretation.
@@JewandGreek read the whole corinthians, why he would rather speak in simple language, I suppose (anywhere) just to be understood, for it is useless if no one understand, the problem is you are not looking at the text clearly, you have are bias. If someone is speaking in tongues during those days, what were they saying? It could be a prayer, a worship or anything. That’s why an interpreter is required, unless they are alone, and could be praying, and of course it’s not a blabbering of no meaning. Speak my language without learning it and I will believe you.😊
I have experience people speaking of tongues but not of them spoke of another known language, why? Why left prophesy when it is even what paul wants. Unknown tongues/blabbering is fake.
@@JewandGreek oh yes I forgot, many charismatics prophesied of 2020, they said all good bountiful, eeehhhh, failed. 2021 they said covid will be gone soooon, eeehhh! Failed. 2021 trump would win, eeeehhhh, failed. When will this people stop shaming God, clearly they are shameless.
@@JewandGreek I went to charismatic churche(s) and all are shouting in tounques(blabbering) waited for someone speak my language but none, and learned that speaking of tongues should come in turns and if no one interprets just be quite, because if no man can interpret, God can only understand it, thats he/she only speak to God. Now it seems those charismatics forgot the teaching of Paul and all blabber without someone to interpret.
Can our spirit man continue to pray even when our body and soul are asleep?
I have heard of people praying in tongues while they sleep.
Often in my dreams I will be praying in tongues when praying for the sick and casting out demons.
Ask Holy Spirit to continue to teach you while you sleep. Since he never slumbers. You might be surprised how He starts to work in/on you.
Be blessed my brother 🙏
@@seanvann1747 So far my understanding of the Scripture points in this direction as well. I've heard one or may be two teachers mention about it, but only briefly. Since then I've been seeking confirmation from the Lord and also trying to hear what other like minded believers' experience is in this particular area. I have tried continuing to pray in the spirit while being asleep, especially during crisis situations, and so far I've only felt peace inside every single time.
Thank you and God bless.
@@aaroncookrice Amen my brother 🙏
We just keep pressing into everything Christ has paid for us to walk in. Whatever that looks like I want it lol! 💪
Be blessed my brother in Christ 🙌
Personally, I sleep like a dead person so I've never done anything remotely close to praying while asleep. Obviously falling asleep while praying is another thing. 😜
I would also think that if praying in tongues helps to encourage one's self, you're not really conscious when fast asleep, so that wouldn't work. 🤷♂️
Having said that, I do believe a person can have spiritual experiences when asleep, so I'm open to anything the Holy Spirit wants to do while I'm "down under." 😎👍
@@jarednel Brother Jared, this is what my understanding is so far: when we pray/speak in tongues or pray in the spirit, it's our spirit that prays, not our mind (1 Cor 14:14).
There's no direct connection between our spirit and our soul and body (John 3:6). Therefore, what goes on in our soul and body does not affect the state of our spirit.
Our spirit is one with the Spirit of God (1 Cor 6:17). And God does not sleep (Psalm 121:3-4).
There's only one thing that God has ordained that can make a connection between the spirit realm and the physical realm - our God-given faith. Therefore I ask the Holy Spirit by faith to pray with my spirit when I want to extend it through my sleep. And I believe He does.
I think an authentic Baptism in the Spirit is when your filled first and then the overflow comes - too many babble first or are taught to speak in tongues.
The bible way is totally real and best and it will flow up and out like living waters - and it’s amazing when it happens that way - go for the real deal x
Tongues is language. Speak that is understandable as a sign to unbelievers. Acts2 & 1Cor14.
Baptism of the spirit...? Hardly baptism is being immersed. Immersed in the "spirit" is to say being full or guided by the spirit of God. Not being taken over.
If charismatic followers get their core beliefs from the day of Pentecost...... what were the disciples doing receiving the spirit in John20:22?
I have had a disagreement with Rod on this very point.
The promise of the Spirit was from the Father, and given by Jesus. Jesus mentioned that all that were thirsty could come to him and drink, speaking of the Spirit, and to be given after he was glorified.
In the gospel of John, Jesus said, If I go not away, the comforter will not come, speaking of the Spirit. It was only after Jesus was seated with the Father that he sent the Spirit
So the disciples could not have received the Spirit at the moment that Jesus breathed on them, because Jesus had not gone away, and neither had he been glorified with the glory he had from the beginning.
It is problematic for the church to believe that one could be saved and not have the Spirit. Yet in Acts 8, those that believed the preaching of Phillip in Samaria, were baptized in water only, as clearly stated. But the apostles at Jerusalem heard of their conversion, and traveled to Samaria, and prayed for them that they might receive the Holy Ghost.
Moreover, when Paul encountered certain disciples, he askea, Have you received the Holy Ghost since you believed? Why would an apostle of God ask such a question if we all automatically were baptized with the Holy Ghost. Following that he prayed for, and laid hands on them, then they spoke with tongues and prophesied.
So, one can be saved and not be baptized with the Holy Ghost.
Those disciples in John 20, did not receive the baptism with the Holy Ghost until the day of Pentecost, after being told by Jesus himself, to tarry at Jerusalem and wait for the promise of the from the Father. By which baptism we are all made to drink into one Spirit.
Nowhere can I find that Christians receive the Spirit twice.
Be blessed and be a blessing.
@@danmarley2886 if tongues is understandable then why did Paul lie when he said:
1Co 14:2 For he that speaks in an unknown tongue speaks not unto men, but unto God: for no man understands him; but in the spirit he speaks mysteries.
Yes in John 20:22 they received the Holy Spirit so what then is the Pentecost if not the second experience
Tongues are human languages
Really sad they advertise to donate Islam before video
Winger was dishonest in his statement,he should be honest and admit he is a Cessionest.
Baptism of fire is not a good thing. Simply read the NEXT VERSE. It’s judgement. Pure foolishness if YOU don’t read it for yourself O sanctified viewer 🤦
I gave you a like because I never agreed with those who did think it was some kind of blessing for believers. These doctrines seem to take on a life of their own. I think people simply are deficient in reading skills.
It clearly speaks of judgement as you have rightly pointed out.
In the winnowing of wheat the chaff is separated when the wheat is tossed into the air. The wheat falls to the floor but the chaff is separated by the wind. It is good for nothing but to be burned. Chaff represents the unbeliever. Grace and Peace!
@@danmarley2886 I so bad want to be on that floor brother
@@Avery_F God is faithful. Jesus is the anchor of our hope.
@@danmarley2886 God bless you Sir, He is that!
Burning the chaff would be a cleansing process with the Spirit , of carnal fleshly things ... God's sanctification for believers to grow from glory to glory.