What Does the Bible Say about Financial Prosperity? A Balanced Presentation.
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- Опубліковано 8 вер 2024
- A few thoughts on what the Bible says about financial prosperity, with an effort to present balance on the subject.
Kenneth Hagin's rebuke of extremism on prosperity - www1.cbn.com/qu...
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The best and clear explanation I have ever learned in my spiritual life about these subjects, thank you brother, God bless you and keep up the good work for the kingdom of God.
Thanks Hirmine. Blessings.
Well said, that's exactly what I was thinking but I didn't know how to say it. And you too, keep up the good work for the kingdom of God. Your comment edified me.
@@JewandGreek A lot of ministries are Judas ministries that dip into the things that people give to God. People don't give to ministries to buy the guy up front a bigger house, they give it believing that it is for Kingdom. John 12:6 is the same heart of many of these ministries. I class my self as a man of faith but i am certainly not WOF. Why use a label for ourselves. I did not enter into an organisation when i got saved. I entered into a Kingdom. Early days i read quite a bit of Hagin but Copeland is certainly not Hagin !!!.
Your ability to see what's wrong with your own way of thinking is Mark of true maturity! Awesome!
Well the extremes aren't my way of thinking or the way my brand of WoF thinks, but I get what you're saying. Thanks for the kind words, Jt.
Exceptionally balanced teaching from a word of faith guy that has been around the block and has learned to take Kenneth Hagins saying seriously “ be as smart as an old cow -eat the hay and leave the sticks”. Thank you for Letting word of faith people know what Kenneth hagin clearly taught!!! Love you Rod! You are helping hundreds of thousands stay balanced and and get off the false excesses of the prosperity gospel.
My understanding/revelation of tithing and giving came about as fruit of the Spirit. I don't give to receive it back multiplied, but I trust God will still do it. I don't give out of obligation or guilt--I give because I trust God to use it.
I give because God has given so much to me and I trust He will meet my needs. I don't need to pray that my needs be met because I already trust God for that. So I pray He will give abundantly, so I can also give abundantly and so I can prosper in my ministry for Him. So giving away money I could certainly use or maybe even need is an act of faith because I'm trusting the Lord will use it where it is needed.
"What requires a lot of money is ministry the way we prefer to do it!" Haha, love it. And you are absolutely correct when you say we could reach the world in a few years if we used the resources now available to us. For years I trained missions mobilization both domestically and internationally, and studies that have been done estimate we have more than 10 times the resources necessary. As you say, it's a matter of priorities AND lack of power - power of the Holy Spirit in our lives.
Glad you enjoyed it, Jerry. BTW, I never got a response on your theological background.
Finally! The most common sense -truth talking~
Rod, Good balanced approach. Yes there are two ditches on the prosperity topic, and we need to find the biblical middle. I have noted that the word "prosperity" is in the Bible about 70 times. And it is not always just spiritualized prosperity nor is it just economic. It is often a wide-sense meaning (good relationships/family/favor/jobs/crops, etc).
1 - Joseph prospered because the Lord was with him (Gen 39:2)
2 - Psalm 1 says that those who delight is in the law of the Lord - everything they do will prosper
These are good vectors to incorporate into our lives.
Thanks for the input, Don.
You are such a blessing, Brother Ron! I just finished watching your recent upload,Read your Bible! Loved it! Your channel is just wonderful!
Thank you very much Susan. I'm glad you're getting something out of it.
Wow thank you for this message-- I am thankful for finding a truthful teacher to learn from-- this helps me so much..
I was thinking I was cursed for not tithing-- and I was confused about other things relating to money. Thanks for the explanation on the scriptures
Very clear and balanced approach to this important subject.
WOW! Praise the Lord! You floored me with this one...since you have mentioned elsewhere you are of the "word of faith" perspective. Man, this is great. You have me kind of confused as to where you are coming from, but, man!--this is good stuff!
Very well done! Rare to see such balance on this topic.
Thank you for say this, I think the wof has turn the corner and has came back into balance after the Midas touch was released, some teachers like Joyce Meyers and Fred price has admitted that they taught prosperity and faith out of balance, even thou they are still being criticized for their errors, I believe the wof has mature and as long as they continue to be humble, God will vindicate them and bless them in front of their emended..
Thanks Perry. I agree, we're seeing a WoF reboot. Blessings.
They still teach the garbage .. justifying them just makes you a fool
This is an excellent and balanced teaching. Thank you 🙏🏻. You made me chuckle when you said ‘Well, what about the middle class?’
@4:30 ... "Not to exploit the poor"
That's the key part for me, it's the hypocrisy. Rich will claim to care about helping the poor, while those poor suffer around them. The OT is full of examples of God condemning the rich leaders who live lavished lifestyles while their people suffered.
One can't claim to care about helping others when you have so much to do so much helping with, but don't
This has to be the most balanced, unbiased teaching on this topic out there. Maybe I'm saying that because I agree 100% with what you're saying here, but then I came to the same conclusion as you from scripture and not from listening to you (and I've never listened to Kenneth Hagin), so I believe this is from the Holy Spirit.
Thanks, Walter. Glad to hear that.
Okay, Bro Rod. I think God is really using you to bless me these few days. These are exactly what I have believed about these topics in the Bible. Unfortunately, hardly do our Charismatic Pastors preach it in this manner. God bless you Sir 🙏
Like with most things, truth and clarity on any subject depends on a clear definition of the terms used.
Very clear and enlightening. God bless you brother. Keep it up!
Solid work brother. Balanced. You’re a blessing!
Let the Lord be magnified, who has pleasure in the prosperity of His servant- Psalm 35:27, Prosperity means safety, wellness, healthiness, peacefulness and needs are met, not being covetous for that is idolatry.
Awesome finally the truth thx 🙏 bless you Brother in Jesus
Thank you Rod! Good biblical teaching with the total counsel of the word.
The truth is, every cent we have belongs to God. So why cut it into 10 %, 30%, etc.
Don't be selfish about using the finances belonging to the chairman of the firm, especially if you are a partner (the son of the chairman). It is a family business!!! So, use the business finances as you with partnership privileges can bless every needy client. Watch the business grow then.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts with us. Very, very helpful.
Great message, full of truth!
These teachings are true and balanced.
Rod you are a wise man, God bless you and all you set hand to.
Thanks Ron
We really appreciate the clarity
Giving is becoming fun
A correction of saying that the OT tithe was never money. I recently saw the scripture in Deuteronomy 14:22-26. The requirement was to tithe on all your produce (NAS) or increase (KJV). However if you couldn't bring that tithe to the Tabernacle or temple because you lived too far away you were to sell it and take money with you. When you arrived you converted it back to oxen, sheep or "whatever your heart desires" and bring that.
The average percentage of all Christian giving is 2.5%. Mathematically, this means that less than 25% of Christians tithe. It also means that the vast majority of Christians are giving very little, cheerfully or otherwise.
Where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. This mean Christians are at liberty to emphasize aspects of the Bible they believe are needed. It also means they recognize when a doctrine becomes out of balance to the exclusion of other truths.
HAVING LISTENED TO THE END...WOW!...NOT WHAT I EXPECTED!! May God bless you and continue to use you for his glory. This might be the best on "prosperity" I have heard anwhere. And perhaps the best critique of the "prosperity movement" I have ever heard. As he said, I always associated "word of faith" with the "prosperity" madness that is going on. Now I'm a bit curious...
This was an excellent teaching. I'm writing a course to teach my class called Money and the Ministry and I was struggling with the intro. This has given me the right direction to take. Blessings!
Titheing- " shows you how harmful titheing can be if incorrectly taught". They gave up on titheing. No this shows how little there faith was. If you truly believe something you will take it to your last breath. I have tithed for over 13 years before the windows opened up for me. I had many opportunities to quit, but I refused to because I believe what God said.
Well I believe what God said too, but nowhere in the Bible are we told to give 1/10 of our income to the church. But even if you do, you're not really "tithing" because tithing was only done with food and livestock to support the Levitical priesthood. New Testament giving is non-compulsory.
@@JewandGreek with all do respect but do u really believe this argument of only fruits and vegetables. That was their money back then. One of the main purposes of the tithe is our hearts condition towards greed. I would encourage you to go watch Robert Morris on titheing. I respect you very much and appreciate your rebuttals. This topic we may have to disagree on
@@travishowett1189 I didn't say fruit and vegetables. I said food and livestock. If you'll read the Law of Moses you'll see that that's the case. They never tithed with money. And yes, they had money in the Old Testament. Abraham used money to buy a burial plot for Sarah. I've watched Robert Morris and I like the guy but he's wrong on this issue. Again, I believe in giving. Don't misinterpret my position on this. But the New Testament teaches cheerful giving, not compulsory giving. Nowhere in the NT are we told that we're under a curse if we don't give 10% of our income, or that we're sure to get rich if we do. Blessings.
Thsnks. Well said.
So simple and clear . Thanks Rod from Italy, had a few laughs on some of the comments.
Also, love the last quote of Hagin from "The Midas Touch."
11:20 Was the levitivcal system established before Abraham came to the scene. Who came first Moses or Abraham? Moses established the levitical priesthood right?
Levi was a descendant of Abraham so Abraham preceded him of course. I think maybe what is throwing you off is my use of the word "type". Types and antitypes are just references to foreshadowing in Scripture. For example, Jonah in the fish was a type of Christ in the grave.
I wish you could sit down with Copeland, Duplantis etc with this message.
I would welcome the opportunity
Thanks
God bless you
Wow! Perfect!
I don’t think the wof is the problem, I feel the word of faith has come around to what hagin taught in the Midas, I think the critics no Matter what happens is going to have a critical spirit
You're probably right about the critics. And I hope you're right about the movement moving in the right direction. Blessings, Perry.
Seek ye FIRST the kingdom of God. No man can serve two masters. It's not about money, it's about want you want most. God weighs the heart (Prov. 21:2)
Educational and Enlightening
After listening further, to the "prosperity gospel" part...WOW! Would to God that all charismatics would understand these things--it would roll the reproach off the 'charismatic' church!
Hi Rod
Just like to say great channel keep up the great work your in my prayers.
Agreed with all you said.
However I don't think preachers downsizing would make much difference, the unsaved will judge you because of what you do have,and they will also judge you by the poverty lifestyle some Christian's think they should be living to be godly
I am new in the word of faith that's why I am so grateful for your channel its giving me answers and understanding to be able to articulate where I am in the body of christ.
Can I ask if oppulance is something we should shy away from ,should we read about ,,Job ,,Solomon,, Abraham and others ?
I know it was only cows donkeys and sheep and goats no to mention the gold and other riches these men and women of god had, but why didn't god tell them to downsize instead of giving it to them?
I agree with you seek ye first the kingdom of god (Him first His kingdom first above all, as we are for him) and all these things shall be given onto you.
When he gives the to me, because god does not lie.
So in what ever form those blessings come should I then downsize to appease others.I think there is always going to be someone who has the potential to be offended
Weather we are opulent or living on the street in a tent
Thanks again Rod keep being a blessing
God Bless you.
Amen
Would supernaturally cancelling someone's debt be out of God's character or nature?
IMO it would be, but I can't give you a solid scriptural basis for that. Rom. 13:7 says _"Pay to all what is owed to them: taxes to whom taxes are owed, revenue to whom revenue is owed, respect to whom respect is owed, honor to whom honor is owed."_ Ps. 37:21 says _"The wicked borrows but does not pay back, but the righteous is generous and gives"._ So it would seem that God expects us to pay our debts, which means that He's probably not going to intervene in this area. Of course God is sovereign and can cancel a person's debt if He wants to for His purposes, but it would seem to me that that would be the exception rather than the rule.
@@JewandGreek thank you for all of your teachings, very helpful!
Could "supernaturally canceling debt" maybe come through a person? Like a debt paid off from someone else?
Like who are these persons, name names.
THANK YOU! MyOmy how the Church needs to hear this! Pastors and MoneyWorshippers have been perverting these scriptures for many years. Bless you, Bro, for pointing out these egregious, greedy motivated errors...and speaking the truth!!
Jew and Greek i believe you would get a lot more respect if you spent more time teaching the word of God than you do trying to stick up for the Judas ministries of this world. I am faith through and through but definately not WOF and i am totally blessed when you just preach the word. Faith comes by hearing the word and not hearing about false doctrines that usually have the opposite effect. Like yourself i have read what is true and because of that can quickly discern false like our friend JP. Others need to know truth so they can also discern for themselves. It would save you a lot of time. Blessings Dave.
Rod Saunders blah blah blah constantly apologizing for fake spiritual heresies!
Circumcision is observed more than tithing .
Why I have no idea...
Maybe try giving a specific quote of something he said that you believe is wrong. Simply making vague accusations doesn't help anybody.
@ROSE & CROWN What the hell are you referring to? Were you born with an extra chromosome!?
@ROSE & CROWN HUH? Maybe you should be more vigilant any of these treats are reading slaughter
@ROSE & CROWN yep on my playlist of this is so 90s