What If Cersei Married Rhaegar? (Game Of Thrones)
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- Опубліковано 26 вер 2024
- A long time ago it was proposed by lord Tywin Lannister to join the House Of The Dragon with the House Of The Lion, but the Mad King Aerys II Targaryen in his envy and distrust refused as he believed a marriage to the Lannister family was beneath the crown.
But What If things went differently?
#asoiaf #whatif #gameofthrones
If I remember correctly, Cersei planned to stay faithful to Robert and not see her brother anymore after the wedding night … but Robert had to get drunk and mistreat her and say the wrong name so Cersei stayed bedding Jamie out of spite really. Also comfort
So I’d assume she would have stayed faithful to Ragar if he was good to her
@@autumnpeacock4156 Rheagar was already married. There was no being faithful...without faith.
Also: He was already married.
Myrcella is older than Tommen. Thats why Arrianne tries to crown her according to Dornish custom
To be completely honest, considering her character, she would have gotten bored of Rhaegar after giving birth to their like… third child? And go back to Jaime
Being Rhaegars wife was Cersei's dream so its entirely possible she wouldnt have. The love and adulation she would get from being Rhaegars wife might have been enough to sate her other quirks.
@09hicktown it's hard to say imo. Cersei is so dumb and unpredictable when you read her chapters. I can see both yours and OPs comment being true. I don't think she would risk her life and Jaime's by continuing the affair tho. Robert was a drunk so it was easier to sneak off. Rhaegar no so much.
@@MilwaukheheI agree, I think that Rhaegar would do his utmost to help bring out the best in Cersei, to help her become a good Queen. He would also make sure that their kids are raised well so that they won’t turn out like Joffrey in canon.
I do think Jaime would be swiftly dispatched by Cersei the second she knew she was betrothed to Raeghar, so, no loss of virginity for him in an inn with his twin sister when they were 15, rather a sudden cold shoulder.
I cannot imagine her wanting to have him around when she would marry her precious Raeghar, she would make all she could to keep him away and pretend nothing untoward ever happened between them, and that he was only her annoying little brother, overly attached. Jaime would have a rough awakening, methinks. Alas, less rough at 14 than at 34 I guess! 🤷🏻♀️
It was poeic because Cercei fancy Rhaegar and Robert fancy Lyanna and they ended up being with each other .Cersei wanted have his babies with silver hair because Targaryens are according to her and by law godlike beautiful and above law they are the only ones that ca ndo inces legally so that's why Cersei does it with Jamie because she wants to be special like Targaryens
Pretty sure Myrcella was the middle child of the Royal Family otherwise there's No Dorne Plot because if Tommen is older he's the heir per Andal, First Men and Rhoynar tradition. The Roynar don't skip boys, they aren't matriarchal, they just don't skip girls like the rest of Westerosi culture.
Tywin: I don't want my daughter to marry Raeghar
Aerys: (does the opposite)
Too bad Tywin never thought to use reverse psychology
Aerys internally: haha you fool!!!
Months afterwards: wait a minute...
I think that their personalities would still conflict. Rhaegar cares for the smallfolk, Cersei doesn't.
What makes u think rhaegar cared about the smallfolk
@@AniSwiftTVRecaps barristan his personal kingsguard said it. It’s true
@@AniSwiftTVRecapshe cared more for commoners than Robert :))
Does he?
@@vuminh211 and he still deposed him :)
Gendry’s saying that he was told his mother had yellow hair was probably just the writers giving another simple piece of “evidence” that the offspring of a Baratheon and blonde person *always* comes out brunette. Cersei would not have easily given up a child of Robert as that would have solidified his love for her and helped him to forget Lyanna. Robert likely adored her as she carried their child. Unless he still wished it was Lyanna. In which case, Cersei could definitely have swapped Gendry for a dead baby from the orphan house. But I’m still going with it was the writers making it simple for Ned and the viewers.
Personally I think Cersei was just lying to Catelyn in that scene to get sympathy and further herself from her involvement in Bran's fall
To me, it makes no sense for Cersei to remove the one thing that will help her avoid Robert's bed: a legitimate heir. Once she has his son, she can create whatever excuse for not visiting him and then never have him touch her again, leaving him to his affairs. There would be no indication at the time of his birth that she would have any children to Jaimie that she might prefer to see on the throne. If she gave birth to Robert's son, she's maybe going to be more distant and less protective than she is of her little lions [which would probably help the poor kid grow up better!] But she wouldn't harm him as it creates the responsibility for her to create more heirs with no guarantees that she can fool Robert.
Nah, I think she's not that dumb. Maybe the worst she'll do it to treat the kid coldly while spoiling Joffrey
Knowing how clever cersei thinks she is. She'll try to kill Aerys and think she's being subtle but actually be really obvious to most people. Including Rhaegar, who might just tell everyone to look the other way if her dumb plan succeeds. And Tywin playing support in covering her mistakes.
Cersei was actually pretty brilliant before her kids started dying. Not many people have successfully assassinated a king.
@@alex52043Many have actually, most assassinations were pretty successful without some honorable stark running in, which wouldn't happen in this case.
Jamie's retention game would be on a whole new level.
You can also think that Cersei would be the "hostage" in place of Jaime.
Tywin thinks lesser of Cersei because of her sex. He also thinks that he is not as smart as she thinks.
IMO, he actually thinks of Tyrion higher than Cersei. That's why he told Tyrion to be the hand of the king in his stead. He knows Cersei's been f*cking up and making everything worse. He knows that if Tyrion is there atleast there's 1 mind he trusts.
He hated Tyrion for being a dwarf and killing his wife but he knows that Tyrion is efficient and an asset.
What if Lucerys lost his eye *instead* of Aemond?
What if both Lucerys & Aemond died in episode 10?
What if Aemma Arryn last child, Baelon was born a girl that married Aegon-II?
What if Viserys had Aegon II married Rhaenyra *After* Laenor’s death?
What if Rhaenyra was like Jaehaerys The Conciliator?
What if Rhaenyra Targaryen married Borros Baratheon?
What if Viserys-I made Rhaenyra Hand Of The King after Otto’s dismissed/Lyonel’s death?
What if Viserys-I made Rhaenys Hand Of The King after Otto’s dismissed/Lyonel’s death?
What if Viserys-I made Daemon Hand Of The King after Otto’s dismissed/Lyonel’s death?
What if Rhaenyra married Otto after Alicent married Viserys?
What if Aegon-III lived longer and made his Daughter Daena hair after the death of his sons?
What if Myrcella “Baratheon” married Robb Stark instead Joffrey & Sansa?
What if Jamie Lannister was at the Tower Of Joy instead of Gerold Hightower?
Really interesting choices, would love to see these made into a video.
Jaime already knows that his house changed sides, I am pretty sure that in that case Jaime will fight against Arthur two.
I actually think the jaime at the tower of joy instead of gerold could be alot more interesting. The reprocussions would be wild let alone the chance of a jaime and ned vs arthur dane/ jaime knowing about jons parentage but the kmowledge that withoit jaime to kill aerys and the pyromancers tywin, the lannister army and most of kings landing would have been destroyed
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Gerold Hightower would’ve been there to stop it, he’s not going to let King’s Landing burn down.
@@IceAlvaro13
And then what? He knows Jon Snow true parentage now.
Hey can you do a what if rhaegar loved elia or a what if rhaegar wasn't obsessed with profecy.
Both would result in really similar events to the video in terms of grand sceme: no rebellion/no dead Starks/no Dany dragons arc. Probably Martell allies instead of Lannister ones help Rhegar overthrow his dad through a grand council. Elia's children either marry each other or Dany+Viserys, who would hopefully turn out slightly better with a living mom+ disposed crazy dad. Idk who Cercei would marry with Rhegar, Robert, and Brandon married off which I think are all of the first sons of a rank with her, maybe Oberyn, which would be wild idk how exactly but definitely wild, or maybe Stannis if Tywin really wanted to strengthen alliances with the other kingdoms. I think her and Ned would be a fun match if she moved past her Northern biases and he gave her real honest love and respect which he seems capable of, but he's got Ashara in this scenario, which could be an interesting connecting force between the North and the crown/Dorne. Maybe the Arryn Heir, I think he'd be alive here. We'd still have a kingsguard Jaime here, cause all the drama with Tywin would be the same, so if theres a wildfire scare if Rhegar has to take kingslanding to get the throne he could become kingslayer, would be interesting to see Rhegar's reaction, could cause drama with Tywin due to the bad relationship. Maybe a poisoning/assassin attempt by him against Elia to try and get Cercei as queen since Elia is known to be sickly? I don't see Tywin trying to start a war or anything, but if Jaime marries Lysa they would be apart of the Vale-North-Riverlands-Stormlands powerblock which chould be worrying for Rhegar, who only has Dorne, if things do turn bad during his reign cause no dragon power here to support the throne's hold over the kingdom. It would still be a interesting story cause stuff could still be a bit messy in terms of the Targs hold on the kingdom, which could increase the drama proceeding and during the Long Night
I think, that Cersei would still turn out to be a spiteful monster, but in an entirely different way. She craves attention. Being queen to a guy that really doesn't care for being king, gives her the spot of being the big authority in whatever castle they'd be in.
Her ego, would also be majorly stroked. This guy is not only a legend beloved by all, he also constantly blabbers on about his wife being the chosen one that births the heads of the dragon. I see Cersei really liking that role. Sure, emotionally she'd be starved, but come on, that part of her psyche already broke a long time ago.
And thinking of all the Targaryen incest, I'd see her sleeping with Jaime still very much a possibility and I'd even see Rheagar being fine with it, since he only cares for the prophecy. Do as long as she doesn't openly become unfaithful and starts disobeying him in public, he most likely wont care much.
Cersei wouldn't have been happy. And she'd still be an awful person. But I can see this marriage working out as significantly better than what happened. Not good by a long shot, but a lot less physically abusive and all in all not as a constant war between the two.
Would anything change if Ned told Catelyn about Jon’s true parentage?
What if Sir Arthur Dayne killed ned at the tower of joy?
I would love to see "what if Cersei married Oberyn Martell ?"
I think their mothers wanted them to marry, and I kind of think they would have matched each other's crazy.
I like to imagine, years later in this au, Rhaegar just invites Robert, Ned and Brandon out for drinks, infodumps the prophecy and ends it with "and thats why Im proposing a marriage alliance! Personaly, I find it most favorable if it is between one of my children to any of your children but Im okay with marrying off my little sister Danaerys to one of your sons. What do you say?".
Very interesting! I do agree that Rhaegar and Tywin would work together to overthrow Aerys and that things would be better/there wouldn't be a rebellion. I wonder, though, how Littlefinger would figure in to all this. Would he still try to get revenge on Brandon, and get Cateyln for himself? I'm trying to imagine his plan, but I'm not that twisty, lol. His "pieces" are all in different spots: he could probably still get Lysa to kill her husband, but I'm not sure how he'd use that to generate strife between Brandon and the crown.
I have three proposals:
1 - What if Jon replaces the Night King as the new leader of the White Walkers?
2 - What if Robert legitimized Jon and married him with Yara Greyjoy as a punishment for the Greyjoy Rebellion?
3 - What if the White Walkers want peace with the living instead of war?
Jaime being in the Kingsguard was his choice, that actually wasn't on Aerys. Jaime himself wanted to stay close to Cersei and being in the Kingsguard meant that he would never have to take a wife and could remain faithful to her.
I also think Cersei would have been put aside just like Elia was because Rhaegar was obsessed with the prophecy. Cersei was not the "Ice" that he needed.
make a what if Aegon V didn't die in The Tragedy of summerhall, and had managed to hatch dragon eggs, let's say 3 dragon eggs to make it interesting, how would that change history from that point o,n with no one dying in summerhall and dragons returning to the world?
One thing you didn’t take into account… Cersei was the same age as Lyanna (we are told Raeghar met her at the tourney of Harrenhal when she was 15 and Jaime was also 15 when he was sworn to the Kingsguard in this same tourney).
For all this to happen Raeghar would have to wait to marry Cersei until she was around 15 (unless you make him an even worse paedo), so, probably no marriage, no children before he meets Lyanna. He could still make a big mess of it all as a bachelor.
I do think Jaime would be swiftly dispatched by Cersei the second she knew she was betrothed to Raeghar, so, no loss of virginity for him in an inn with his twin sister when they were 15, rather a sudden cold shoulder. I cannot imagine her wanting to have him around when she would marry her precious Raeghar, she would make all she could to pretend nothing untoward ever happened between them and that he was only her annoying brother, overly attached. Jaime would have a rough awakening, alas, less rough at 14 than at 34 I guess! 🤷🏻♀️
The only real issue I have with this theory is the Jamie x Lysa part. I think Lysa would not marry another big houses lord or heir due to her losing her virginity to Petyr Baelish. Tywin would no longer approve, and jon Aerryn wouldnt have the rebellion motivation to marry her. Perhaps if Littlefinger works his way up Hoster would still let her marry him later on
No one's going to tell the world that Lysa wasn't a virgin! That's the sort of thing that's hushed up in the face of a beneficial alliance.
If Tywin saw an advantage to Jaime marrying Lysa if he knew she wasnt a virgin he would just look the other way.
Because women rode horses, even in ASOIAF maidenhood wasn’t always expected to show on the wedding night if that made sense. Likely how Cersei “got away with it” when it came to Robert.
What if Rhaegal stayed with his rider (Jon Snow) and didn't fly south with Dany?
The Second Dance begins.
@IceAlvaro13 I doubt rhaegal would turn on his mother. Also Jon was adamant about staying loyal to dany until she burned kings landing. Part of the reason she lost her shit was because she lost another baby(rhaegal), her boyfriend jon wasn't there for her emotionally, her best friend died, and her few friends remaining were clearly growing cold to her. If rhaegal isn't dead theres a good chance she wouldnt have snapped. if she didnt then wed get an ending with her as queen and jon as her consort. If she did still blow up kings landing, either rhaegal would turn on jon knowing he would kill his mother(dragons are shown to be sentient with a connection to their riders to read their emotions somewhat in the show, novels, and hotd), if rhaegal goes along with jon then rhaegal will likely be killed by his brother drogon, potentially with jon and dany dying together similar to aemond and daemon, or jon and rhaegal will just die leaving mad queen dany to rule. a TLDR is: nothing changes, dany rules with jon as her consort, jon dies, dany and jon die
@@brendanmuller7301 "dragons are shown to be sentient with a connection to their riders to read their emotions somewhat in the show, novels, and hotd"
And that's what makes it interesting. Dany only rode Drogon. She never rode Rhaegal. If we insert this lore into the story, Rhaegal would've been bonded with Jon and never left his side. And if Dany flies south by herself, she's getting shot down by Euron and his fleet. And even if she and Drogon survive, Dragon would likely be heavily injured. Another interesting tidbit is that Jon riding around on Rhaegal would only add to his legitimacy.
Have you done a video on what if Tyrion was the child of Joanna and Aerys?
I just wondered how an interaction between Welder Frey and Aegon would have been like
To your point on Jaime joining the kingsguard. Cerse convinced Jaime to join so they can still be together when she thought she was marrying Raegar
What if daemon and caraxes lived
I thought it was theorized that Benjen joined the Watch partially out of guilt for not telling his brothers and father about Lyanna and Rhaegar? Would he still join the Watch instead of touring the Free Cities?
I think Lyanna and Rhaegar still might happen if he had two boys and a girl as he was obsessed with prophecy and wanted his ‘visenya’
The Targaryen trilogy seemed like his obsession so if the makeup was different Rhaegar might have came to believe the prophecy wasnt talking about him or his children which would take away his drive to even pull what he did at Harenhal
I think that, given the arguments that you expose in the video, it is possible that instead of a Robert rebellion, we would have had a Rhaegar rebellion (Silver Prince War?) ... Aerys was really crazy, that worsened every day and it would not changed just to marry Cersei with Rhaegar, at some point it would have been necessary to overthrow him to save the realm, houses like Lannister, Arryn, Stark and, ironically, Baratheon could have supported Rhaegar, and that even makes sense because without dragons in between the loyalty of the great houses was what kept the Targaryen on the throne.
So basically if Cersei got to marry her middle school crush, we don’t get dragons
Technically rhaegar gave lyanna her blue rose crown before he knew elia couldn't have aby more kids, so that should also happen in this what if.
What if Cersei didn’t groom Jaime
Considering:
>Taena got quite drunk and Cersei pried the name of her secret lover from her. He was a Myrish sea captain, half a pirate, with black hair to the shoulders and a scar that ran across his face from chin to ear. **"A hundred times I told him no, and he said yes," the other woman told her, "until finally I was saying yes as well. He was not the sort of man to be denied."**
>"I know the sort," the queen said with a wry smile.
>"Has Your Grace ever known a man like that, I wonder?"
>"Robert," she lied, thinking of Jaime.
I do not think she groomed him.
She would have groom me😏
Marriage between the Lion and the Dragon. House Gamelyon? Cersei thinks she's smart, so the Mad King would manipulate her.
She is smart, it's not a matter of her thinking it, stop being a hater.😂🤷♂️
You sometimes spoke so fast I wondered if I accidentally sped up the video lol. You were completely intelligible, though and it makes me wonder if you're from Connecticut lol. No better fast-talkers (in any sense of the term) anywhere. Excellent video and interesting topic - I'm subbing and will check out your other videos.
What if ashara dayne and Ned day married and Jon ashara child?
What if Lucerys lost his eye instead of Aemond?
What if Alicent was baren?
To the second one: I imagine Viserys would remarry. If he could have no more children then. Rhaenrya would be Queen but her Strong boys would be illegitimate and so wouldn't be allowed on the throne. If she still married Daemon, then their children would be next to rule. Maybe starting a civil war between her bastards and legitimate children. Or knowing Daemon, he'd probably eliminate the Strong boys someway.
its crazy how both of cerseis husbands loved Lyanna Stark more than her
somenone answer me this if the rebelion still happened because of rhaegar a lyna relashionship, would robert still win whit twin being on the other side, will the martell still supoort a side or would be neutral
When will you do part 2 of the what ifs, what if Deamon and Rhea had a son, what if Deamon and Mysaria had a son and what if Deamon kept his crown.
Speaking of the what if with Deamon and Mysaria had a son I have a interesting idea, let say that Meakor is in love with both Baela and Rhaena but he can't have Baela because Jacaerys is alive but with Lucerys gone I can see a interesting storyline for lord waters, imagine if he does think about joining the greens but when they learn about Lucerys death, there is a prefect opportunity for Meakor to not only just rise through the ranks of the blacks but also prove his loyalty to Rhaenyra and win Rhaena heart, I am speaking of blood and cheese because remember Maekor is different form all the other kids because unlike them he a street kid he knows how to move around the city, and maybe knows it inside and out and given his mom line of work he probably knows about the hidden passageways, so I say he goes with blood and cheese and while they go off to do there thing he goes after and kills Aemond cutting off his head and taking it back to dragonstone showing it to Rhaenyra giving her a reason to trust him and make him a true targaryen, and freeing Vhagar for Rhaena.
If Rhaegar successfully removed his father, would Viserys be betrothed to his sister?
Was Viserys always meant to marry her?
I feel like a POS contrarian whenever I comment on your videos and I don't try to be. But I don't necessarily know if I agree that Robert would sleep around if he was married to Lyanna. It's possible but I don't think we can use his marriage to cersei as a measuring stick. He never loved her to begin with He did clearly love Lyanna. And I don't necessarily view a betrothal the same as an engagement or dating. I could be wrong but still. Love the content
Not to mention Lyanna deciding about Robert's faithfulness or lack of it due to his having Mya Stone in the Vale when he young is a bit ridiculous considering he wasn't even betrothed to anyone at that point nor was it seen as wrong for young men to do that. Meanwhile she ran off with a married man with a wife and two children. Not saying Robert didn't sleep around, but he very clearly is different and changed post rebellion to what he was like before it, and on top of that he winds up married to Cersei and I think Robert and Cersei definitely made each other worse people throughout their marriage on top of each having their own dysfunction.
I feel like Rhaegar could still make a baby with Lyanna because of prophecy.
What if Lyanna marries Robert but does still fall for Rhagar who still wants the Ice and fire prophecy and the rebellion happens anyway 🤔
Prompt:
What if Daenerys was the older sibling and Viserys the younger?
What if Stannis won battle of blackwater. What if Stannis won battle of ice and freed winterfell. What if theon stayed loyal to robb. What if robb married frey. What If robb joind Stannis
What if Lucerys gave up his eye willingly after Aemond asked him for it.
Using theories show only fans claim has unbreakable proof like the Gendry thing is a mistake.
Rhaegar would choose Lyanna, eventually.
What if Aenys died in Duskendale?
He probably still would’ve cheated would’ve been against Lannister for the head of the house refuse to be disrespected
What about the witch's prophecy to Cersei? Would that still no change things?
I feel like the rebellion would definitely still happen.
What If Rhaenyra DIDN'T care about the Iron Throne?
What if Jaime and Rhaella had a affair resulting in Daenerys?
Just a fun fan theory about how Daenerys could have been raised in the seven kingdoms away from Viserys
Another would be what if Ned found baby Daenerys and took her in as a ward (say jon died with his mother due to birth complications), would she be married to Robb or Joffery?
That sounds like a theory you just made up
She will be a better person
What if Aemond had killed Luc when they were kids, after claiming Vaegar
Now what would be truly intriguing would be "What if Margaery married Rhaegar"
She wouldn’t ever unless it’s like a second wife after Rhaegar’s previous died, Rhaegar was born in 259ac and Margaery was born in 283ac, that’s far to much of an age gap considering House Targaryen needed Rhaegar to marry to produce more children, no branch family’s or cousins, after Summerhall burned down they only had Aerys, Rhaella and their children which their weren’t many because many of them died as infants, Rhaegar would be under pressure to marry soon so couldn’t wait for Margaery
Father : Aerys Targaryen 244
Mother : Rhaella Targaryen 245-247
- Rhaegar 259
- Miscarriage 263
- Miscarriage 264
- Shaena 267 (Cradle death)
- Daeron 269 (Cradle death)
- Stillbirth 270
- Miscarriage 271
- Aegon 272 (Cradle death)
- Jaehaerys 274 (Cradle death)
- Viserys 276
- Daenerys 284
Too far apart in age, Margaery was likely born during/after the rebellion while Rhaegar was fighting during the rebellion
myrcella is the middle child not youngest
wait, didnt Rhaegar pursue Lyanna because he was obsessed with the prophecy?
Cersei is a raging narcissist. Thats her arc. She definitely would have been unfaithful to rhaegar
What if Ned Stark was sent to the wall instead of being executed?
Bullshit
Rheagar was married.
Rheagar was into Lyanna Stark. Lyanna was a tomboy. Cersei was not. And many women had to die so she became the most beautiful queen in Westeros.
So what? She needs to kidnap the precious son of the Mad King. The rebellion would be the Lannister vs all the others...and finish. No Lannisters. what was the name of the song? So the Castamere would rule the Westerlands? Or was that already before the Rebellion?
Does anyone care?
Cersei was obsessed with Rhaegar, who became obsessed with Lyanna who was betrothed to Robert who ended up marrying Cersei 😂 It's a circle of horrible relationships 😂
I don't think Ned slept with Ashara because it would be out of character for him to do it and not marry her immediately after as Robb did to Jeyne. I think it was Brandon who took her maidenhood and fathered her child, but I still prefer the Ned and Ashara over some theories I saw that Ashara was had a sexual relationship with Arthur Dayne aka her brother and killed herself out of grief for loosing her child and lover. 😅
Ashara having her brother as her lover is dark enough to be realistic for GOT. I don't think Brandon touched her, after helping his brother dance with her. Besides, in the books, Brandon told his lover Barbrey Dustin that he would have married her, if his father didn't betrothe him to Catelyn Tully. He needn't lie to her. Few men would have dared touch Ashara, fearing her brother Arthur. I personally think the Mad King r@ped her and she kept the secret out of fear. If she later lost her baby and her brother, depression could have made her throw herself off the tower...
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Ah some of my CK 2 and 3 playthrus appears
Right. Only difference is the high septum was not seduced by me so I can get claims.
What if Daemon became the hand of the king to Visery in house of the dragon?
What if Lyanna and Robert got married.❤️
It was very interesting if Lyanna lives and married Robert becaming Queen Consort.
Amazing how many lives would be saved if Rhaegar just kept it in his pants