Barry Bonds not being in the HOF has nothing to do with his alleged steroid use. He's being punished because he treated the media horrible. Barry Bonds was the best player in baseball without using steroids which isn't even questionable. Put that man in the HOF.
@@dffndjdjd pinhead? And you're a Christian? James 1:19 be quick to listen, slow to speak and slow to be angry. As a so called Christian, I'm sure you can appreciate that verse. Now apply it.
@@dffndjdjd the apostle Paul cautioned about arguing with a fool. I'm sure an Uber conservative Christian like yourself who lives by conservative Christian values can appreciate that. Jesus also said something about pointing out the speck in your brothers eye. But first remove the log from your eye. Sounds to me like you have more than a log in your eye.
He is a hall of fame player, not close to the "goat". He didn't enter that relm until after 99 when he started injecting more roids than the rock. He belongs in the hall. All the goofy food numbers are silly, and don't put him in "goat" territory. It's fake. His career before 99 is legit and that's the scope of his skills. Everything after is man made.
BARRY BONDS .. MANNY RAMIREZ .. ROGER CLEMENS .. SAMMY SOSA .. MARK MCGWIRE .. SHOELESS JOE JACKSON .. PETE ROSE .. RAFAEL PALMEIRO .. GARY SHEFFIELD .. JUAN GONZALEZ .. ALL HALL OF FAMERS ..
They were fine with McGuire bashing in HRs and breaking records. It only became a problem when the superior but media despised Bonds did what the league was turning a blind eye to and broke the HR record. They're sacrificing Maguire and Clemens to keep Bonds out of the HOF.
I mean I'm not as high on Sosa or McGwire as I am on Bonds and even Clemens mostly because Bonds was a HoF lock in Pittsburgh before he touched steroids'. So, icing him out made no sense to me especially considering his numbers, and the eye test for the time he spent as a Pirate alone. It's just an unreasonable punishment. Clemens was arguably a HoF before he hit the Yankees too. Sosa and McGwire are less impressive in the early years of their career which is why I can actually understand arguments against them. But Barry Bonds is inarguably THE BEST BASEBALL PLAYER I'd ever seen play. I wasn't around for Mantle or Cobb, or Babe Ruth, but BARRY BONDS, he was something else. Excluding him is honestly a crime.
So you're going to remember that bonds is a Hall of Fame in Pittsburgh and you're going to forget that Bonds was still a Hall of Famer when he was on the Giants from 1993- 1998 before he touch the juice in 1999?
@@dontrellmayfieldjr2868 That's true as well, but nah just for the sake of keeping the comment a reasonable length I split Bonds career into Pitt - early/pre-PEDs and SF - late/post-PEDs.... but you're completely right Bonds did excel in SF for a number of years without PEDs.
All you need to know is regular ass Mike Mussina is in the hall of fame but Barry Bonds is not. That completely invalidates those voters opinions in my book
Im a huge yankees fan and agree with this whole heartedly. solid his entire career but hall hell no. Then Bernie Williams went and got 3% of the vote. Bernie my fav all time and he's light years behind Barry but I felt had a stronger case then Mussina. He was the best hitter on a dynasty. Mussina couldn't even 1 ring. Got 20 wins once in season 19. I'll pass him on to hall of really good like the did my boy Bernie. You forgot Harold Baines to mlb man
I am sorry, this is baseball. I don't care if you smoke crack, shoot steroids and drink beer in the dugout. Baseball is one step above bowling as far as being a sport, it's really a game with some athletic elements. Put Bonds in, put Rose in, put Roger in
Considering that when Bonds and Clemens first got on the Ballot, it was 15 years not 10 and the rule was changed after. They should be grandfathered in for the full 15. This is disgusting. You can not tell the Story of BASEBALL with out including Rocket and Barry. Its just not possible. They already have a slew of personal items in the HOF, they MUST be in the HOF along with Pete Rose and Shoeless Joe Jackson
The HOF is not a High School popularity contest like Prom King It's based on your body of work,not how nice you were to the Baseball writers,This is Bullshit Barry Bonds, Pete Rose and Roger Clemens deserve to be in the Hall of Fame
Here's the hypocritical thing about this reporters on these sports shows they the ones that didn't vote for bonds and Clemens for the first 9 years now all of a sudden they off their high horse
@@tylers9476 but he was on the mitchell report. If you treat a 7x mvp 8 gold glove most walks in history. Most walks in a season. .609 obp thats 60% ofnthe time he at least makes 1st base. Only member of 400-400 club before the start of juicing. Ortiz was just the hitting portion of that and completely a ghost with the Twins multiple years of bland then goes to Boston and becomes papi when he was Nino in Minnesota. Barry bonds has like 3 separate hall of fame careers broken down. Pirate years 2mvps and 2nd place. the 93-99 with most walks 30-30 season again and mlb walk record 5 more gold gloves with giants oh yeah another MVP. Then super bonds from 00-retirement. Hr record one base record walks and intentional record. Ortiz was lot of good slugging nothing else aided by something that mlb didn't deem illegal yet just like bonds
The Hit King and the Home Run King (both of whom never DH'd an at-bat in their lives) are not in the Hall of Fame. The third guy out has seven Cy Young awards and 354 career wins. That's quite a sport they're running.
@@trabo2 at age 39 and 40. Big papi probably hasn't even fielded the amount of time bonds DH in just 2 seasons. Also 8x gold gloves winner. Not even gonna get to obp and steals. Ortiz is phenomenal but Edgar Martinez still the greatest DH of all time to me. Ortiz is in the bonds def gotta be in. I think they both should be in if not Ortiz should be outside lookin in as well
I love rob Parker if it wasn’t for his cornball brother comment he would be bigger in sports media , dude is controversial, funny , corny , still hip enough ( culture , Jordan’s,) to be relevant.
A lot of people are in the Hall of Fame with tons of skeletons in their closets and dirt under their rugs, yet folks are being selective as far as who gets eviscerated. It all boils down to politics and favoritism over relevance in history and impact on the game.
I would take Manny a million times over Ortiz. Juan Gonzalez 2x mvp I think he had 100 rbi at all star break. Hell I'd even say Albert Belle belongs his prime was also monster scary, All time pos though but he'd fit in with Ty Cobb lol
@@aneedkassim9727 if we being real I didn't say he was better than palmeiro nor believe that. I can name 20 more I think are better not in the hall was justifying your argument. That being said 500hr 3000h 2 automatic criterias reached nothing for him either sad. Only one I would might say no to is Mcgwire he was all home runs very low avg and was juicing with Canseco the entire time 80s included however it wasn't illegal so I'd let him in
Rob Parker has no right to talk. He’s one of the biggest clowns that vote for the HOF. He already said next year he’s submitting a blank ballot. And his “criteria” for Pitchers are 300 W’s, so basically he’s never voting for a pitcher ever again. And with analytics, how many hitters are gonna get 3,000 hits? Guys like him shouldn’t vote anymore
Its like the football hall of fame denying Brady from the hall of fame if he was mean to them. It’s a joke! Without roids bonds is still one of the very very greatest players of all time put that man in
Then Barry bonds shouldn’t gone after the single season home run record and the all-time home run record! He forfeited the right to go to the Hall of Fame! End of conversation. P.S Also I saw him in person once when he was at his max juiced and I have never seen a head bigger than the head I saw on Barry bonds! It was like three times the size he was roided out of his mind trying to get that record! So glad the Hall of Fame voters got this right! Thank you 🙏
If you feel that strongly about bonds hope you're seething Ortiz got in. He was on a government report for steroid users. No matter how cool or friendly he seems he chased more hr and money just like bonds chase hr record. Only difference was bonds was legit hof before being mega selfish. Ortiz was chasing to stay on mlb teams then juiced an became an mvp contender. Bonds was already a 3x MVP and part of the 400-400 club then got goofy
@@hype2beast119 For some reason MLB doesn't count that 2003 test😅. Regardless, Papi is a hall of famer. He's the greatest DH of all time and one of the greatest postseason hitters of his era.
@@Jmazz25 I do not think a single person believes Papi doesn't belong. What they are pissed at is there is more than just speculation with him and roids yet he goes in first try? There is zero logic to that other than he was a beloved darling to the media and fans alike.
I can't take rob Parker seriously he wants to hate on David Ortiz cause he hates all Massachusetts sports teams but yet all the ppl he voted for were linked to the same list that an issues that ortiz was
Bonds, Clemens, Sosa, and even Pete rose to me should all be in the HOF. We let players in all the other leagues into their perspective HOF. Michael Jordan was known to gamble and he's in the basketball HOF. Babe Ruth was known for drugs and spouse abuse and he got in. Anyways just food for thought
How much does PED's help players who are already great at what they do, outside of faster injury recovery and maintaining muscle mass? If you can't hit a baseball, you just whiffing air with strong arms. Let's look at the lesser talents who juiced....Luis Gonzalez and Brady Anderson. Check the stats. They each had about 2 seasons of pop and then nothing. These dudes were doing what 70% of athletes in their sport were doing at the time, mostly to stay in the majors....but Bonds, Clemens, Sosa, McGwire, Rodriguez, Palmerio, etc, we're already very talented and great players before the juice became a norm.
What so false about it? He tested dirty Ortiz. Prove it wrong. Don't just say false claim... I know BB didn't test dirty if so they would say. Berry went before grand jury.. and they never popped BB ON DIRTY TEST WHILE HE WAS PLAYING....
@@tylers9476 The ONLY reason you can even say that is because the now commish Manfred made a public statement regarding Ortiz's test. You don't find that funny it happened right before the voting? Manfred wasn't even commish when the tests happened. Furthermore, the MLB and Players Union had a deal that if a certain % of players tested positive, they would then implement league wide testing. Guess what, the have league wide testing. So either the tests were real or the MLB lied to the Union. Last, look at his stats. They raise dramatically during the so called failed test. Is that a coincidence?
@@byronsmith3152 Lol the public statement you are talking about, Manfred released that back in 2016? Funny how it DIDN'T take place right before voting? And Manfred was the executive vice president back in 2003 and was the person that orchestrated the testing, so his statement is completely relevant? Guess what, they had league wide testing the next year?! SO did Ortiz only take steroids in 2003, because he never tested positive again and he didnt even know he tested positive until 2007 when NewYork times released it? So statistically one of his worst years played for the Red Sox, he was on PEDs?
@@tylers9476 Sorry the article I read about it did not say when the statement was made so thank you for clarifying that for me. As far as Papi's stats, It was also his best year up to that point and it was not even close statistically so.. And again, Bonds never failed a test either nor did Clemens.. So assumption regardless of our opinion is being used to classify all 3. Yet Ortiz gets in first try? Come on. And as far as the testing goes, again, the union and MLB had an agreement. Did MLB lie to the Union?
Rob Parker might be the biggest hypocrite this country has ever seen. Wants Bonds in the HOF but will diss TB12 for air pressure. He will rant about this for years. But won’t spent 1 minute talking about how steroids made these players better. He says psi is worse than drugs. What a joke !This guy has to be the worse journalist in America. For the record I believe Bonds should be in the Hall. Just want to point out how terrible he is. All Rob does is make bias options. If he doesn’t like someone like LBJ or TB12 he will diss them over and over for years. Rob is in the hall of shame in my opinion.
They hated Maris for breaking Ruth’s record instead of Mickey Mantle. Put the asterisk in the books. Put Bonds and all these guys in. Put asterisk for Steroid era. It is ridiculous. These guys and Rose are already in HOF because of their records. And put Shoeless Joe Jackson in if only because of his name.
Baseball writers have too much power. Writers have no business determining hall of fame. Writers aren’t in the hall. Players are. Players should be the “gatekeepers.”
At the time of the Roman's, do as the Roman's do.... they were all doing it, they shouldn't be judged for it. Literally, we are talking about a pitcher and a hitter in the same era both using steroid. So technically, it'd even again.
Achieving the 500 HR milestone used to mean automatic entry into the Hall of Fame. Every single player before the steroid era ballplayers were in. In fact, only 6 players who have hit 500 or more home runs are not in the hall of fame - Barry Bonds, Mark McGwire, Rafael Palmeiro, Manny Ramirez, Gary Sheffield and Sammy Sosa. All six suspected and accused of using banned substances. Most would agree that Barry Bonds was the best all around player of the six. However, how do you extrapolate what a player would or would not have accomplished? How can you determine how much steroids padded each player’s numbers? Many want to jump right out there and completely disregard Sosa’s 609 home runs, although only 9 players have reached that. We laugh at the mention of Gary Sheffield and hall of fame being in the same sentence. We scoff at the fact that Manny Ramirez has 7 more home runs than the great Mike Schmidt. Fact is, I don’t know many folks that see Gary Sheffield as a hall of famer, even though he hit 509 home runs. So, yeah let’s get rid of him. But how can you punish Sheffield without punishing Ramirez or Palmeiro for doing the exact same thing? And then how can you punish those three without punishing, Big Mac, Sosa, and yes even the great Barry Bonds. Either they get punished or they don’t. Either they lose votes because they used banned substances or they don’t. You can’t cherry pick who you are going to punish when they all did the same thing. Above everything, I don’t feel bad for Barry Bonds and I will tell you why. He let his ego get in the way of his trip to Cooperstown. Bonds was jealous of lesser talented players getting more accolades then him. So, like many, he broke the rules. But Barry you jughead! If you had just laid off the steroids, you would have had enough merit in your numbers without the juice to make the hall of fame. Most likely you would have wound up with somewhere between 600 and 700 home runs and still would have been the only player with 500 stolen bases and 500 home runs. Still 2500+ hits, 1500+ RBIs, etc. Point being, HOF numbers if only you didn’t let your head size triple. So no, I can’t feel sorry for a guy who was stupid. The all time Home Run leaders list is littered with fakes and phonies and frankly it is a disgrace to guys like Hank Aaron, Willie Mays and Babe Ruth.
Tom House who was Hank Aaron teammate said they were using PEDs and steroids in the 60s and 70s. If it wasn't for guys like Bonds, McGwire and Sosa baseball would've died years ago. You owe those a thank you
This is what happens when you play 1-2 many years past their time. They shouldn't make a big deal about it especially when you're lying. Y'all in the same category as Pete Rose forget about it.
Let them in. But make them tell the parts where they took PED’s which inevitably is part of their story. That’s what this is about right? I better here about how Bonds rubbed the cream in and over time could feel the difference and how once on the field, he could really see it’s effect. 73 and 762 don’t get touched with out it. PED’s are part of that story. So if we can convince the players to tell the WHOLE story, sure
This is a false comparison for many reasons. First, steroids were not even illegal in MLB until 91. Then they didn't even test for them until 2004/05. Lastly, Bonds NEVER failed a test. Regardless of our opinion, that is a fact. Oh, and they let Papi in so...Bagwell, Pudge, Piazza. Then you had the guys using greenies like candy.
Thank you! At least someone knows what they’re talking about! Everyone knows he would’ve got in if he didn’t steroid up and try to go after the single season and all-time home run record! He was a greedy piglet that got what he deserves, nothing! Well besides a record or 2 with an Asterix on it.
cheating is cheating bruh. if you gonna get on tom brady and the patriots for things that happened in the past, keep that same energy when it comes to steroid use in baseball.
I think Bonds did more positive than negative for the game. He performed brilliantly from 1990 through the end of his career. True 5-star talent. And 2001-2004 was magic.
If I had a vote Bonds, Clements, Sosa, Rodriguez etc. All of them INCLUDING David Ortiz wouldn't get my vote, and the same goes for all the cheater pitchers today. Wanna play the game? Play it clean!
Was Nolan Ryan clean his whole career? Specifically in Texas where he played with Canseco, Pudge, Palmeiro and other roid users? Cal Ripken hit the most homers he ever did the year Brady Anderson hit 50?
@@willt8848 if he's not clean then he doesn't deserve to be in the HoF. Dont half ass the HoF and have some guys who did and some who didn't. Thats why the baseball HoF is a JOKE!
@@Emperor.Penguin. The problem is you can't really prove anything about the older players. We know they took greenies as well which are classified as PED's. And regardless, the players still had to play the game.
Any sport that needs a bunch of cheaters and phony records to be saved must be a lousy sport. Players who cheat at pro and college sports cheat literally millions of people. They cheat the teams they beat. They cheat all the fans of those teams. They cheat all the people who wagered and lost money on those games. They cheat the players, living or dead, whose records they break. And they cheat the millions of kids who look up to them as heroes. They make a mockery of sportsmanship and fair play, and they normalize being dishonest to get ahead, so they cheat society and the public at large. I like professional golf's approach to unfair play: if you break the rules you are penalized, and if you use an illegal club, or more than fourteen clubs, you are disqualified and you get nothing, even if the infraction was inadvertent and not deliberate. Cheating at the college or pro level affects so many people in so many ways, that it should be a felony with mandatory prison time if proven beyond a reasonable doubt. Enough of this coddling liars and cheaters. Nobody who is known to use banned substances should be honored with a plaque at Cooperstown.
Rob Parker, *_part of the problem._* My late father, the only pro sport he loved, he played and watched was baseball. People like *_Rob Parker_* have ruined the game. *PETE ROSE?*
Hey, the beta men gets a win. I’m telling you being an Alpha man is the most overrated title applied to men in general. The beta guy (Ortiz) gets in before the Alpha(Bonds), nobody makes it in the world alone which is what alpha means.
@@timj1534 read up on both cases one was a federal trail in which the ppl around bonds went down, and the other for Ortiz MLB couldn’t confirm the results
Barry Bonds not being in the HOF has nothing to do with his alleged steroid use. He's being punished because he treated the media horrible. Barry Bonds was the best player in baseball without using steroids which isn't even questionable. Put that man in the HOF.
@@dffndjdjd pinhead? And you're a Christian? James 1:19 be quick to listen, slow to speak and slow to be angry. As a so called Christian, I'm sure you can appreciate that verse. Now apply it.
@@dffndjdjd the apostle Paul cautioned about arguing with a fool. I'm sure an Uber conservative Christian like yourself who lives by conservative Christian values can appreciate that. Jesus also said something about pointing out the speck in your brothers eye. But first remove the log from your eye. Sounds to me like you have more than a log in your eye.
Bonds was not one to kiss the writers' asses.
BULLSHIT. See- Steve Carlton bonehead
Rob debunked this media thing watch more videos
Baseball and its HOF is a hypocritical sham.
Absolutely!
BARRY BONDS IS THE GOAT!!! Screw the hall of fame
Agreed! Numbers don’t lie 🤷♂️
No doubt my big bro Barry Bonds is
He a hall of famer regularess wat the writers say or not wen u think of mlb you think of Barry bonds an the list go on
I saw both Willie Mays and bonds. There is a reason the World Series MVP award is named after Willie Mays!!!
He is a hall of fame player, not close to the "goat". He didn't enter that relm until after 99 when he started injecting more roids than the rock. He belongs in the hall. All the goofy food numbers are silly, and don't put him in "goat" territory. It's fake. His career before 99 is legit and that's the scope of his skills. Everything after is man made.
BARRY BONDS .. MANNY RAMIREZ .. ROGER CLEMENS .. SAMMY SOSA .. MARK MCGWIRE .. SHOELESS JOE JACKSON .. PETE ROSE .. RAFAEL PALMEIRO .. GARY SHEFFIELD .. JUAN GONZALEZ .. ALL HALL OF FAMERS ..
Alex Rodriguez too
@@dfcintron unfortunately him to lol but they do all belong
They were fine with McGuire bashing in HRs and breaking records. It only became a problem when the superior but media despised Bonds did what the league was turning a blind eye to and broke the HR record.
They're sacrificing Maguire and Clemens to keep Bonds out of the HOF.
They didn't let McGwire in either
They also wrote death threats to Maris and kept him out for breaking the single season record.
Who cares if the players treats the writers bad, you’re there to consider if they are good enough players
I mean I'm not as high on Sosa or McGwire as I am on Bonds and even Clemens mostly because Bonds was a HoF lock in Pittsburgh before he touched steroids'. So, icing him out made no sense to me especially considering his numbers, and the eye test for the time he spent as a Pirate alone. It's just an unreasonable punishment. Clemens was arguably a HoF before he hit the Yankees too. Sosa and McGwire are less impressive in the early years of their career which is why I can actually understand arguments against them. But Barry Bonds is inarguably THE BEST BASEBALL PLAYER I'd ever seen play. I wasn't around for Mantle or Cobb, or Babe Ruth, but BARRY BONDS, he was something else. Excluding him is honestly a crime.
I agree
I'm a dodgers fan and I totally agree.
So you're going to remember that bonds is a Hall of Fame in Pittsburgh and you're going to forget that Bonds was still a Hall of Famer when he was on the Giants from 1993- 1998 before he touch the juice in 1999?
@@dontrellmayfieldjr2868 That's true as well, but nah just for the sake of keeping the comment a reasonable length I split Bonds career into Pitt - early/pre-PEDs and SF - late/post-PEDs.... but you're completely right Bonds did excel in SF for a number of years without PEDs.
Rob parker would be a guest on his own show
Barry Bonds made so much money and brought so much attention to a dying sport and he was a hall of famer before the steroids
3 mvps in Pittsburgh
@@dinkyb2000 2 MVPs in Pittsburgh in 1990 & 1992
@@NatTurnerswitBurnerz my bad I wasn’t fully sure. I grew up during that time and it was Braves vs Pirates every year
@@NatTurnerswitBurnerz To be fair, he was robbed of the MVP twice, lol.
Do he have a pendant going around to help him? Barry Bonds is a Hall of Fame
Sammy Sosa dead ass look like he from a Twilight film 😂😂😂😂😂😂
People don't understand how great Barry Bonds was, the dominate Athlete in any sport hands down.
All you need to know is regular ass Mike Mussina is in the hall of fame but Barry Bonds is not. That completely invalidates those voters opinions in my book
Im a huge yankees fan and agree with this whole heartedly. solid his entire career but hall hell no. Then Bernie Williams went and got 3% of the vote. Bernie my fav all time and he's light years behind Barry but I felt had a stronger case then Mussina. He was the best hitter on a dynasty. Mussina couldn't even 1 ring. Got 20 wins once in season 19. I'll pass him on to hall of really good like the did my boy Bernie. You forgot Harold Baines to mlb man
I am sorry, this is baseball. I don't care if you smoke crack, shoot steroids and drink beer in the dugout.
Baseball is one step above bowling as far as being a sport, it's really a game with some athletic elements.
Put Bonds in, put Rose in, put Roger in
Considering that when Bonds and Clemens first got on the Ballot, it was 15 years not 10 and the rule was changed after. They should be grandfathered in for the full 15. This is disgusting. You can not tell the Story of BASEBALL with out including Rocket and Barry. Its just not possible. They already have a slew of personal items in the HOF, they MUST be in the HOF along with Pete Rose and Shoeless Joe Jackson
The HOF is not a High School popularity contest like Prom King
It's based on your body of work,not how nice you were to the Baseball writers,This is Bullshit
Barry Bonds, Pete Rose and Roger Clemens deserve to be in the Hall of Fame
Here's the hypocritical thing about this reporters on these sports shows they the ones that didn't vote for bonds and Clemens for the first 9 years now all of a sudden they off their high horse
So they let David Ortiz in because he's a likable guy knowing he did drugs too.
but he didnt do drugs?
@@tylers9476 but he was on the mitchell report. If you treat a 7x mvp 8 gold glove most walks in history. Most walks in a season. .609 obp thats 60% ofnthe time he at least makes 1st base. Only member of 400-400 club before the start of juicing. Ortiz was just the hitting portion of that and completely a ghost with the Twins multiple years of bland then goes to Boston and becomes papi when he was Nino in Minnesota. Barry bonds has like 3 separate hall of fame careers broken down. Pirate years 2mvps and 2nd place. the 93-99 with most walks 30-30 season again and mlb walk record 5 more gold gloves with giants oh yeah another MVP. Then super bonds from 00-retirement. Hr record one base record walks and intentional record. Ortiz was lot of good slugging nothing else aided by something that mlb didn't deem illegal yet just like bonds
@@jeffreyirizarry1749 this video and comment was 8 months ago...
@@tylers9476 I saw this video yesterday. 8 months didn't change none of the facts though. If that's your way of saying you don't care, gotcha
@@jeffreyirizarry1749 lol no one brought up Barry Bonds and then you write a book about him?
Still waiting for Pete Rose. Who is one of the greatest players of all time
You can't be black and a jerk to reporters and think that won't come back to bite you down the line. Fair or unfair, that's the reality.
The Hit King and the Home Run King (both of whom never DH'd an at-bat in their lives) are not in the Hall of Fame. The third guy out has seven Cy Young awards and 354 career wins. That's quite a sport they're running.
The one they elected has never worn a fielding glove in his life. He has a fatal allergy to them, like peanuts and shellfish.
@@MrNaturalSez That's just cold blooded, lol.
Bonds did DH though later in his career when playing AL teams
@@trabo2 at age 39 and 40. Big papi probably hasn't even fielded the amount of time bonds DH in just 2 seasons. Also 8x gold gloves winner. Not even gonna get to obp and steals. Ortiz is phenomenal but Edgar Martinez still the greatest DH of all time to me. Ortiz is in the bonds def gotta be in. I think they both should be in if not Ortiz should be outside lookin in as well
I love rob Parker if it wasn’t for his cornball brother comment he would be bigger in sports media , dude is controversial, funny , corny , still hip enough ( culture , Jordan’s,) to be relevant.
SAD PART ABOUT IT ...HE WAS TELLING THE TRUTH
The cornball brother line was classic Rob Parker 😂
They don't got Barry bonds in the Hall of Fame but if you go to the museum they have his bat his gloves his hat 💯
What are they going to do with ARod???
A lot of people are in the Hall of Fame with tons of skeletons in their closets and dirt under their rugs, yet folks are being selective as far as who gets eviscerated. It all boils down to politics and favoritism over relevance in history and impact on the game.
They are upset that he broke their home run record, a black man
Ortiz TESTED POSITIVE BUT GET IN ON TH EFIRST BALLOTT... but his teammated Manny Ramirez cant get in nor Bonds and the rest? Its bullshit
I would take Manny a million times over Ortiz. Juan Gonzalez 2x mvp I think he had 100 rbi at all star break. Hell I'd even say Albert Belle belongs his prime was also monster scary, All time pos though but he'd fit in with Ty Cobb lol
@@jeffreyirizarry1749 Raffy Palmeiro is better than Ortiz if we being real.
@@aneedkassim9727 if we being real I didn't say he was better than palmeiro nor believe that. I can name 20 more I think are better not in the hall was justifying your argument. That being said 500hr 3000h 2 automatic criterias reached nothing for him either sad. Only one I would might say no to is Mcgwire he was all home runs very low avg and was juicing with Canseco the entire time 80s included however it wasn't illegal so I'd let him in
THIS IS SAD!!!! IF ORTIZ GOT IN ON THE FIRST BALLOT THEN THIS IS PURE B.S. !!!!
People are gonna look at the baseball HOF and laugh at it for this. It's a joke.
Barry bonds is the goat player.. Rogers Clemens is top 5 pitcher.. they are in MY HOF
Barry Bonds was hurt by the way they treated his father, Bobby Bonds.
Rob Parker has no right to talk. He’s one of the biggest clowns that vote for the HOF. He already said next year he’s submitting a blank ballot. And his “criteria” for Pitchers are 300 W’s, so basically he’s never voting for a pitcher ever again. And with analytics, how many hitters are gonna get 3,000 hits? Guys like him shouldn’t vote anymore
Sosa, McQuire & Bonds need to be in the HOF
Baseball hof is a joke
Bonds, Clemons, Sosa, Alex, Big Mac noway they shouldn't be in
They also screwed Gary scheifeild in the best player with the sweetest swing manny rameriz
Its like the football hall of fame denying Brady from the hall of fame if he was mean to them. It’s a joke! Without roids bonds is still one of the very very greatest players of all time put that man in
Then Barry bonds shouldn’t gone after the single season home run record and the all-time home run record! He forfeited the right to go to the Hall of Fame!
End of conversation.
P.S
Also I saw him in person once when he was at his max juiced and I have never seen a head bigger than the head I saw on Barry bonds!
It was like three times the size he was roided out of his mind trying to get that record!
So glad the Hall of Fame voters got this right!
Thank you 🙏
Wow
If you feel that strongly about bonds hope you're seething Ortiz got in. He was on a government report for steroid users. No matter how cool or friendly he seems he chased more hr and money just like bonds chase hr record. Only difference was bonds was legit hof before being mega selfish. Ortiz was chasing to stay on mlb teams then juiced an became an mvp contender. Bonds was already a 3x MVP and part of the 400-400 club then got goofy
Barry bonds and Michael Jordan are the greatest ever..no one needs to be told that by a Hall of Fame....it's not even close
Those HOF writers are a bunch of punks.
Oh well does anyone care about baseball anymore? Sports media won't even talk about baseball. Baseball isn't even American anymore
Never thought I'd be agreeing with Rob Parker lol(even though he's wrong about Ortiz)
Ortiz got caught using PED’s. Barry Bonds never got caught using them.
@@hype2beast119 For some reason MLB doesn't count that 2003 test😅. Regardless, Papi is a hall of famer. He's the greatest DH of all time and one of the greatest postseason hitters of his era.
@@Jmazz25 I do not think a single person believes Papi doesn't belong. What they are pissed at is there is more than just speculation with him and roids yet he goes in first try? There is zero logic to that other than he was a beloved darling to the media and fans alike.
I can't take rob Parker seriously he wants to hate on David Ortiz cause he hates all Massachusetts sports teams but yet all the ppl he voted for were linked to the same list that an issues that ortiz was
He's dirty
After michael jordan bonds is the greatest athlete in American sports
Jordan Brady Bonds.
What can Chris and Rob say about Canadian sprinter Ben Johnson?
Oh my goodness, i don’t know how to feel about agreeing with Rob Parker so hard!
Bonds, Clemens, Sosa, and even Pete rose to me should all be in the HOF. We let players in all the other leagues into their perspective HOF. Michael Jordan was known to gamble and he's in the basketball HOF. Babe Ruth was known for drugs and spouse abuse and he got in. Anyways just food for thought
How much does PED's help players who are already great at what they do, outside of faster injury recovery and maintaining muscle mass? If you can't hit a baseball, you just whiffing air with strong arms. Let's look at the lesser talents who juiced....Luis Gonzalez and Brady Anderson. Check the stats. They each had about 2 seasons of pop and then nothing. These dudes were doing what 70% of athletes in their sport were doing at the time, mostly to stay in the majors....but Bonds, Clemens, Sosa, McGwire, Rodriguez, Palmerio, etc, we're already very talented and great players before the juice became a norm.
Big Sloppy got in as a Half-Player who only Bats...and not as well as Bonds. And he got caught pissing Hot
Barry was one of the greatest players we've seen but Ken Griffey Jr was my favorite to watch and his swing was the smoothest....
How did writers get so much sway? Sincere question. I don't know baseball.
The baseball HOF is a mockery without Barry Bonds in it.
and Roger Clemens
3:11 - not true. The Kingdome was packed and rocking through the 90s before and after steroids.
Ortiz tested dirty. Barry never did. It's asummed...
false claim
What so false about it? He tested dirty Ortiz. Prove it wrong. Don't just say false claim... I know BB didn't test dirty if so they would say. Berry went before grand jury.. and they never popped BB ON DIRTY TEST WHILE HE WAS PLAYING....
@@tylers9476 The ONLY reason you can even say that is because the now commish Manfred made a public statement regarding Ortiz's test. You don't find that funny it happened right before the voting? Manfred wasn't even commish when the tests happened. Furthermore, the MLB and Players Union had a deal that if a certain % of players tested positive, they would then implement league wide testing. Guess what, the have league wide testing. So either the tests were real or the MLB lied to the Union. Last, look at his stats. They raise dramatically during the so called failed test. Is that a coincidence?
@@byronsmith3152 Lol the public statement you are talking about, Manfred released that back in 2016? Funny how it DIDN'T take place right before voting? And Manfred was the executive vice president back in 2003 and was the person that orchestrated the testing, so his statement is completely relevant? Guess what, they had league wide testing the next year?! SO did Ortiz only take steroids in 2003, because he never tested positive again and he didnt even know he tested positive until 2007 when NewYork times released it? So statistically one of his worst years played for the Red Sox, he was on PEDs?
@@tylers9476 Sorry the article I read about it did not say when the statement was made so thank you for clarifying that for me. As far as Papi's stats, It was also his best year up to that point and it was not even close statistically so.. And again, Bonds never failed a test either nor did Clemens.. So assumption regardless of our opinion is being used to classify all 3. Yet Ortiz gets in first try? Come on. And as far as the testing goes, again, the union and MLB had an agreement. Did MLB lie to the Union?
I’m not going to a game until Sammy Sosa goes into the hall of fame.and a handful deserve it.u got guys in supplements right now gtfo!
Damn, Bagwell & Piazza got in both under speculation Bonds under speculation and no proof too say otherwise denied access.
I must admit, I loved watching the ball leave the park.
Rob is spot on.
I know people say that they know Bonds used steroids because his head got bigger and stuff, but did he ever get caught with juice in his system?
NOPE.
WWE Hall of fame is more relevant then the Baseball hall
It’s kind of sad but, instead of celebrating Ortiz’ career the focus is on Bonds & Clemens, understandable so.
I stopped watching baseball once they banned Barry bonds his last season...I don't miss it
They're going to wait until these players are on their last leg or until they're in the ground to put them in
Their crime was getting caught. lmao
Rob Parker might be the biggest hypocrite this country has ever seen. Wants Bonds in the HOF but will diss TB12 for air pressure. He will rant about this for years. But won’t spent 1 minute talking about how steroids made these players better. He says psi is worse than drugs. What a joke !This guy has to be the worse journalist in America. For the record I believe Bonds should be in the Hall. Just want to point out how terrible he is. All Rob does is make bias options. If he doesn’t like someone like LBJ or TB12 he will diss them over and over for years. Rob is in the hall of shame in my opinion.
They hated Maris for breaking Ruth’s record instead of Mickey Mantle. Put the asterisk in the books. Put Bonds and all these guys in. Put asterisk for Steroid era. It is ridiculous. These guys and Rose are already in HOF because of their records. And put Shoeless Joe Jackson in if only because of his name.
Baseball writers have too much power.
Writers have no business determining hall of fame.
Writers aren’t in the hall. Players are.
Players should be the “gatekeepers.”
I knew race had to be brought up and it only took 2 minutes and 5 seconds. Wow. Pathetic!!!!!!!!
At the time of the Roman's, do as the Roman's do.... they were all doing it, they shouldn't be judged for it. Literally, we are talking about a pitcher and a hitter in the same era both using steroid. So technically, it'd even again.
Haha, get used to it! He'll NEVER get in the hall.
Bonds and Clemens never failed an official test. Hundreds of players used steroids but never turned into All Stars. Use common sense and admit them.
Crime doesn't pay! lmao
to me it's simple, they cheated, you don't reward cheating
Achieving the 500 HR milestone used to mean automatic entry into the Hall of Fame. Every single player before the steroid era ballplayers were in. In fact, only 6 players who have hit 500 or more home runs are not in the hall of fame - Barry Bonds, Mark McGwire, Rafael Palmeiro, Manny Ramirez, Gary Sheffield and Sammy Sosa. All six suspected and accused of using banned substances. Most would agree that Barry Bonds was the best all around player of the six. However, how do you extrapolate what a player would or would not have accomplished? How can you determine how much steroids padded each player’s numbers? Many want to jump right out there and completely disregard Sosa’s 609 home runs, although only 9 players have reached that. We laugh at the mention of Gary Sheffield and hall of fame being in the same sentence. We scoff at the fact that Manny Ramirez has 7 more home runs than the great Mike Schmidt. Fact is, I don’t know many folks that see Gary Sheffield as a hall of famer, even though he hit 509 home runs. So, yeah let’s get rid of him. But how can you punish Sheffield without punishing Ramirez or Palmeiro for doing the exact same thing? And then how can you punish those three without punishing, Big Mac, Sosa, and yes even the great Barry Bonds. Either they get punished or they don’t. Either they lose votes because they used banned substances or they don’t. You can’t cherry pick who you are going to punish when they all did the same thing.
Above everything, I don’t feel bad for Barry Bonds and I will tell you why. He let his ego get in the way of his trip to Cooperstown. Bonds was jealous of lesser talented players getting more accolades then him. So, like many, he broke the rules. But Barry you jughead! If you had just laid off the steroids, you would have had enough merit in your numbers without the juice to make the hall of fame. Most likely you would have wound up with somewhere between 600 and 700 home runs and still would have been the only player with 500 stolen bases and 500 home runs. Still 2500+ hits, 1500+ RBIs, etc. Point being, HOF numbers if only you didn’t let your head size triple. So no, I can’t feel sorry for a guy who was stupid. The all time Home Run leaders list is littered with fakes and phonies and frankly it is a disgrace to guys like Hank Aaron, Willie Mays and Babe Ruth.
Tom House who was Hank Aaron teammate said they were using PEDs and steroids in the 60s and 70s. If it wasn't for guys like Bonds, McGwire and Sosa baseball would've died years ago. You owe those a thank you
@@willt8848 I know you aren't telling ME that I owe those guys a thank you
@@jenkinsljenkinssquire9137 You're welcome
@@willt8848 Greenies didn't cause you to go from 40 HRs in one year to 70 the next.
@@willt8848 For? What did you do?
This is what happens when you play 1-2 many years past their time. They shouldn't make a big deal about it especially when you're lying. Y'all in the same category as Pete Rose forget about it.
Let them in. But make them tell the parts where they took PED’s which inevitably is part of their story. That’s what this is about right? I better here about how Bonds rubbed the cream in and over time could feel the difference and how once on the field, he could really see it’s effect. 73 and 762 don’t get touched with out it. PED’s are part of that story. So if we can convince the players to tell the WHOLE story, sure
ORIGINAL 40/40 MAN!!! CAN'T TOUCH BONDS!!!!
Well then baseball should give back that money they made in that era if they’re so offended
To be fair, it is not MLB that said no. It is the writers who hated Bonds and Clemens that control the voting.
Schilling isn't it because he's a republican lol
I don't always agree with Rob, but on this, I agree 100 percent
All you guys who would put Bonds in the HOF, should be in charge of the Olympics too. Ben Johnson would be appreciative.
This is a false comparison for many reasons. First, steroids were not even illegal in MLB until 91. Then they didn't even test for them until 2004/05. Lastly, Bonds NEVER failed a test. Regardless of our opinion, that is a fact. Oh, and they let Papi in so...Bagwell, Pudge, Piazza. Then you had the guys using greenies like candy.
@@byronsmith3152 Yeah his head tripled in size from lifting weights. Denial bro denial
@@jenkinsljenkinssquire9137 I have never denied Bonds used. Obviously your reading skills are lacking a bit.
@@byronsmith3152 OMG Byron you are so clever
The hall says no no no no yall say yeah yeah but its no no no no all in a desitiny childs voice
Baseball is dead anyway.
Everyone was and Is juicing in every professional sport. How can Lebron and Brady beat Father Time? HGH lol.
I support the voters of the Hall of fame. Keep Clemens and Bonds out.
Thank you!
At least someone knows what they’re talking about!
Everyone knows he would’ve got in if he didn’t steroid up and try to go after the single season and all-time home run record!
He was a greedy piglet that got what he deserves, nothing! Well besides a record or 2 with an Asterix on it.
LoL, this is the same guy who bash Tom Brady for “cheating”. Did Rob moved to Mexico yet?
LOOOOOOOL!! He didn’t get in!!! LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL!!!
It's a known fact Sosa never came up hot
cheating is cheating bruh. if you gonna get on tom brady and the patriots for things that happened in the past, keep that same energy when it comes to steroid use in baseball.
truth
@@patrickdron when brady served his bogus 4 game suspension and went to the super bowl that year and won it, that was all i cared about.
I don't care about steroids like at all.
They knew the rules. They broke the rules. As a consequence, they are not in the HOF. No thinking person feels sorry for them.
They let other players in even though they used steroids. They at least need to be consistent than pick and choose on who it applies to.
I think Bonds did more positive than negative for the game. He performed brilliantly from 1990 through the end of his career. True 5-star talent. And 2001-2004 was magic.
Then nobody should be in cause everybody in hof cheated
Pete Rose........
If I had a vote Bonds, Clements, Sosa, Rodriguez etc. All of them INCLUDING David Ortiz wouldn't get my vote, and the same goes for all the cheater pitchers today. Wanna play the game? Play it clean!
Was Nolan Ryan clean his whole career? Specifically in Texas where he played with Canseco, Pudge, Palmeiro and other roid users? Cal Ripken hit the most homers he ever did the year Brady Anderson hit 50?
@@willt8848 if he's not clean then he doesn't deserve to be in the HoF. Dont half ass the HoF and have some guys who did and some who didn't. Thats why the baseball HoF is a JOKE!
@@Emperor.Penguin. The problem is you can't really prove anything about the older players. We know they took greenies as well which are classified as PED's. And regardless, the players still had to play the game.
Steroid users shouldn't be in hall of Fame even papi he was already caught
Too late plenty already in there
Any sport that needs a bunch of cheaters and phony records to be saved must be a lousy sport. Players who cheat at pro and college sports cheat literally millions of people. They cheat the teams they beat. They cheat all the fans of those teams. They cheat all the people who wagered and lost money on those games. They cheat the players, living or dead, whose records they break. And they cheat the millions of kids who look up to them as heroes. They make a mockery of sportsmanship and fair play, and they normalize being dishonest to get ahead, so they cheat society and the public at large. I like professional golf's approach to unfair play: if you break the rules you are penalized, and if you use an illegal club, or more than fourteen clubs, you are disqualified and you get nothing, even if the infraction was inadvertent and not deliberate. Cheating at the college or pro level affects so many people in so many ways, that it should be a felony with mandatory prison time if proven beyond a reasonable doubt. Enough of this coddling liars and cheaters. Nobody who is known to use banned substances should be honored with a plaque at Cooperstown.
Rob Parker, *_part of the problem._* My late father, the only pro sport he loved, he played and watched was baseball. People like *_Rob Parker_* have ruined the game. *PETE ROSE?*
Hey, the beta men gets a win. I’m telling you being an Alpha man is the most overrated title applied to men in general. The beta guy (Ortiz) gets in before the Alpha(Bonds), nobody makes it in the world alone which is what alpha means.
Ortiz is no beta Big Papi is the ultimate alpha male
Ortiz was never proven to have failed, Bonds was on trail and ppl around him wen down. Do some research instead of talking out the side of ya necks
Bonds never tested positive either, so the argument amounts to circumstantial on both sides.
@@craigjohnston5781 na it was revealed in the BALCO trail he tested positive in 2000
@@Jmay51 that is simply not true. His name appeared on ledgers but that's it. Ortiz tested positive.
In 03 ya
@@timj1534 read up on both cases one was a federal trail in which the ppl around bonds went down, and the other for Ortiz MLB couldn’t confirm the results
Sosa and McGuire saved baseball, Bonds wasn’t even relevant
Your tripping
Are you drunk?
Wow. Just wow…