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“Put Bonds In…Put ‘Em All In!” Rich Eisen on Electing Suspected PED Users to Baseball Hall of Fame
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- Опубліковано 25 січ 2022
- Rich Eisen weighs in on the controversial Baseball Hall of Fame balloting this year in which voters were torn over sending suspected/confirmed PED users to Cooperstown such as Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens and others.
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Bud Selig turned a blind eye to roids and he’s in the hall lmao
Yep. You could make the case that he was the biggest beneficiary of PEDs and the Steroid Era.
Writers has no problem giving Bonds and Clemens all those MVPs and Cy Young's. MLB had no problem lining their pockets while these guys revived a DEAD sport. To not have them in is atrocious, to not have them in while Ortiz gets in 1st Ballot is a slap in the face.
Ortiz: the drug store.
Same with jeff bagwell… taking roids….and yet in hall of fame
the stupid thing is that whole era, everyone used it. these guys just benefited more than the others who used it and sucked. I mean everyone was jacked back then
It simply proves that the HOF has been reduced to a popularity contest. The case of Schilling has further proven that. It's sad.
Now this- this is the best point ever made about this.
Not to mention, Big Mac was at first taking things, which were not against the rules.
That ERA saved Baseball! And they still have less Strike Outs then the players today...
Agreed. It's a Hall of Fame, not a Hall of Heroes. Not even taking into account that we have no idea what players might've ingested in earlier eras.
It's meaningless these days...It's become the Hall of Shame
But we do know. People admitted to using roids back in the 60's and greenies were served in candy dishes before games during those same times.
There already in the hall of shame.
its not a hall of infamy though
With what proof?
Bonds is the scapegoat for a whole generation of players.
Tell that to Pete Rose.
Bonds was a vile, nasty, despicable person! He treated people around him like garbage. Don't think for a minute that's not playing into the writer's decisions.
@@toddsalkowski448 So you know Barry personally?
@@JeffW2000 Good point, except gambling was banned while roids were legal according to MLB.
Nothing racist to see here folks... Keep it moving... 🖤👀🤡
Steroids saved baseball. Chasing the record brought viewership back after the strike. You can’t tell the story of baseball without it.
Destroyed sacred numbers. Hurt baseball.
@@PianoUniverse numbers aren’t sacred. Records get broken all the time. They are talking points. The fact is the broad public couldn’t care less about baseball after the strike. The only thing killing baseball at this point is baseballs handling of its product.
Sosa and McGwire basically saved baseball, not steroids. Even though steroids helped.
You can tell the story actually. Bonds and his records are in the HOF he just doesn't have a bust.
@@PopOutPaulie You can't watch a number. We watched Bonds because he did it when no one else could. The number is a reflection of the man and he got to 494 before 2000.
Steroids go back at least to the early 1960's. Even high schools were dishing them out in certain parts of the country. College football programs were absolutely providing them.
This is facts.
I read a story about Mantle and Maris actually making a huge bet with each other as to who would hit more home runs before the 1961 season. Allegedly Maris told several teammates,” I’m gonna take that stuff that Mick is taking”. They were experimenting with animal testosterone apparently….or something of that nature.
Greenies too.
Steroids were never a factor in baseball until the 1990s. Until then the conventional wisdom stated that weightlifting was bad for baseball players because it would make them too musclebound. Obviously they needed to be strong but also flexible.
@@shackdaddy7106 Ummm the 1986 Mets think this is a funny comment. Chris Davis also thinks this is funny considering he was hitting 50 bombs while he was juicing and then was god awful once he stopped so pretty much everything you said was inaccurate.
The baseball hall of fame states the "tell the history of baseball" right at the entrance. Like it or not...these people are part of that history.
*means they won but they cheated.
@@reginaldinoenchillada3513 the whole sport of baseball is about cheating. The Astros won but no one puts an asterisks next to their ring
@@reginaldinoenchillada3513 Barry before steroid was still a beast
@@Goku-dh3rt Not so much sorry not sorry
So Bobby Bonilla should be in the Hall of Fame?
HOF is basically “You be nice to us, and we’ll be nice to you.”
Fucking worse than the Goddamn Grammys
Bonds not being in is a disgrace. Despite PED's he still had a BA of .298 career over 22 years. You realize you still have to HIT the ball... this is unreal. 7 MVP's!!!!
Enjoy your lockout, MLB
Bonds was a Hall of famer way before the steroids
He WAS a HOF'er before the roids, that's true but taking the roids erases all that. If you can't do the time, don't do the crime...
People really think steroids make you good at baseball lol
@@Mox3712 it wasnt against baseball rules at the time, and baseball wasnt testing for it. So there was no crime.....
If they put bonds in it's a disgrace
David Ortiz got in bc he's likable and the voters knew he did drugs
That's why Big papi got in he's likable even though he was juiced up your right
Cheapens all HOF members IMHO
If you're going to put these cheaters in , then you need to put Pete Rose and Shoeless Joe Jackson in , and Jackson and Rose go in first
As if the voters aren't fallible. Seeing just another example why there shouldn't be a character clause in voting. You simply can't tell the story of baseball without guys like Bonds, Sosa, McGuire, Schilling, Clemens and even Rose... All legendary players.
It's been estimated that up to 80% of the league was taking amphetamines by the 60s and 70s. Mays, Mantle, Stargell, just to name a few, have been implicated by multiple players over the years of not just taking them, but for throwing them around like candy. Gaylord Perry openly talked about how he was cheating, wrote a book about how he was cheating WHILE STILL PLAYING, and got caught cheating in a game, still just waltzed right in to the Hall. Tim Raines is in the Hall despite being named in the 85 drug trials and admitting to cocaine during games.
The Hall of Fame of fame is filled with cheaters. Just can't have these ones getting in there, they might ruin its reputation or something.
Maris and Mantle were both taking animal test. They bet each other a huge amount of money who would hit more HR’s before the ‘61 season. Maris asked the entire team and clubhouse where he could get the “pills” Mick was taking so he could make it even and win the bet.
Cocaine is a hell of a drug
Are they gonna remove all the guys who played during segregation and got an unfair advantage? Didn’t think so.
THIS !!!
Or all the amphetamine users? And spitballers?
Put them all in. But also acknowledge that they were doing PEDS. It happened. It doesn’t change the skill needed to be in the HOF.
Facts
I could take enough steroids to have arms the size of watermelons, I’m still not hitting a home run off of a MLB pitcher
if peds were in the 50s willie mays, duke snider, and sandy koufax may of used. i hate the moral high-ground people who act like players from the 90s were uniquely corrupt.
@@partypandamonium9116
This argument is overused and irrelevant. If you could already hit a baseball (like these guys) and then you add steroids..... I'll let you figure that one out.
The steroids did change the skill that made them hall of famers tho
Why in the Hell Barry Bonds is being blackballed from the Hall of Fame for 10 years while David Ortiz who tested positive for steroids is a first Ballot? The Baseball Hall of Fame is the biggest Joke in sports history.
I will go so far as to say baseball as we know it wouldn't exist today if it wasn't for ROIDS. After the 94-95 strike caused them to cancel the season... people were not coming back in droves to watch baseball, because they didn't care anymore. Football was beginning it's ascendancy towards being the top sport in the US. If it wasn't for McGuire and Sosa going after Maris' record, a lot of casual baseball fans would not have even cared about baseball. The homerun chase only brought people's eyes to the game again. Where would baseball be today, if not for that homerun chase?
A fact most forget.
They collected the profits and threw the players under the bus.
We all knew something was wrong that year but it was fun. I'm a Cubs fan I remember 30/30 club sosa and 40/40 Bonds before they both blew up. They were both great players before the roids.. same with Maguire. And they saved baseball after the strike.
@Derrell Connor ...and to top it off, Selig is in the Hall of Fame. This ish is unbelievable!
The Houston Astros got to keep their Championship after cheating. But the players don't get into the HOF? Hypocrites.
MLB made that call.
The MLB provides access and relationships for the writers. Without the MLB, the writers wold be jobless. Therefore, yes, the writers and MLB are hypocrites.
Excellent point
It makes sense to leave out the PED players that are borderline (Palmeiro). But the ones that are well above and beyond like Bonds and Clemens doesn't make sense.
Palmeiro had over 3,000 hits and over 550 homeruns. He would never be borderline if it wasn't for his PED use.
@@danielstack4158 He was also an ace with the glove at first base for the first dozen years of his career. He was a shoo-in until he tested positive.
@@SirVic42 Oh yeah indeed, 3 gold glove awards I didn't mention.
Palmeiro is a hall of famer
@@nacholibre8628 I can't stand Palmeiro, but I still think he should be in the Hall.
The only time I watched and cared about baseball. Was during that time. It was amazing to watch.
This is real simple: You're going to put baseballs and bats hit/used by Barry Bonds in the Hall Of Fame, but not the player himself? That's insanity.
Hall of shame
I will never go to Cooperstown again! The best players are not in the HOF therefore it is irrelevant. The sportswriters SUCK!
Pugh, Bagwell, and Ortiz all had steroids allegations and failed test and they are in the HOF but these two can’t get in smh crazy
If they put Clemens and Bonds in, they have to put Pete Rose.
And Curt Schillings that's really a travesty that he's not in
I mean it's really not the same type of cheating. One helps your team win, while the other is just for self enrichment.
Idk I used to believe Rose should be in but there’s a massive difference between steroids before they were banned and gambling in games when it’s literally posted everywhere in every clubhouse the consequences of gambling. I wouldn’t hate it but I’m not exactly clamoring for it either
Man people really changed their attitudes as soon as Pete Rose was brought up went from "HELL YEAH BRO" to "Hey, hey, hey, hey wait a second now" 😆😆😆 cheating is cheating but it's a different kind of cheating ??? Like how does that work exactly ???
I feel that despite what they did or are accused of doing, Bonds, Clemons and these other great players should be in the HOF because they are a part of baseball history. Make a section for players who were great but stained their careers in some way. Pete Rose, Shoeless Joe and the Black Sox, etc are historically important players that shouldn't be overlooked or shunned because of what they did.
I like this suggestion
First video comment & still the best.
I still remember McGwire and Sosa racing for the homerun crown as one of the most exciting times of baseball. I miss that excitement. I barely pay attention to baseball now. Those players (in the steroid era) were great for the game.
It was the most excited I was about baseball in my life.
You must be a fan of the Russian olympic team.
His point at around 5:45 is all I am about. If they are so against these supposed steroids users, take all reference of them out. Not just their plaque in the fancy hall
That would be awsome
Who’s to say that roided hitters weren’t facing roided pitchers? I bet there were roided pitchers too. Eric Gagne comes to mind.
Not to mention my guy Troy Percival starting up the sticky ball rotation before rpm cameras were tracking it.
@@MiniatureMorpheus Gaylord Perry is in the HoF and he's known for doctoring the ball lol.
Baseball needs to face their hypocrisy.
He made a great point that actually sways my opinion - The Commissioner of Baseball from the Steroid Era is enshrined in the Hall... so why aren't the players?
Hope Curt Schilling gets in too. Dude was awesome in his days. They should keep other things out of way for selecting him to hall of fame.
Thank you, Rich Eisen for telling the truth. Baseball didn't test for it, so. Who is to say who cheated and who didn't?!?!?!? We don't know who is the who's that cheated.
Bonds is a cheat. You really going to rank Bonds over Aaron who was 'clean?'
@@aioniansage6081 where’s the proof? I’m waiting… Ortiz is the real cheat! Didn’t he tested positive genius?
@@ctg404 Go kid your grandmother.
@@aioniansage6081
Hell yeah I am. Hank wasn't half the player Barry was. Not too mention Barry didn't take anything until he was 34 years old. Hank wasn't clean himself.
@@at2130 Barry is a cheat and a fraud ! The only people worse would be those defending cheats and frauds ! AND THE BASEBALL WORLD AGREES WITH ""ME."" Put that in your ball-bag and smoke it !
What I take away here is this , (personally) IDC if the writers vote for or against anybody but GODDAMMIT vote for someone. Zero vote should mean forfeit your vote. Someone else gets to vote instead.
Same thing for Pete Rose, one of two players to ever hit 4000 + hits. Is he a role model? No. However, his baseball abilities are undeniable.
The Hall of Fame is losing interest with fans due to the BBWA that don’t use discernment while holding personal bias. Due to free speech or the athletes off field behavior toward the media. Bonds Clemens Manny A Rod all should be in the HOF - it’s a joke
Bonds belongs in the Hall, period.
Its a museum. They let Ortiz in? That seals it, put them all in. Baseball is entertainment and you know the PEDs were everywhere and also NOT against the rules. Face it, every generation would've used them if they could.
This whole thing doesn't make any sense to me either. Ortiz tested positive for PEDs before but suddenly the other players who also did didn't get in? Sounds like bias to me.
Ortiz is often called the drugstore.
0:57 - Great operational definition of HOF: “… you cannot tell the story of the sport without including this person …”
I don't agree with that statement.
The sport has been and always will be bigger than any individual
@@dennisobrycki4029 but it’s an actual fact though. When you hold the Home run record for both a single season and all time home runs you deserve to be in the Hall. Especially when it’s no definitive proof of you using drugs and you had a hall of fame career before the steroid era
@@johnlewis8934 the size of his head when he was playing should be proof for anyone!
🤣
As a Red Sox fan, Clemens was always a big guy. He NEVER got "bigger" other than a little bit of a gut.
Also, during the worst 3 years of Red Sox teams in the modern era he was STILL a 500 pitcher!
That wasn't fall off, that was a miracle!
He did it the right way and was acquitted of any possible wrongdoing. Why?
Because he didn't do any drugs. He's even recently gone out and pitched some Semi-Pro ball just to show people how good he STILL is and he crushed.
I hate that his name even comes up with these others. Just like in his statement, he did it right.
Along with Nolan Ryan, he is the greatest picture of the modern era.
I remember being a little kid at a Padre Pirates game and a skinny Barry Bonds was stealing bases robbing homeruns hitting home runs talking crap to the fans . He was very arrogant and a great baseball player. You could tell he was a hall of famer by the way he walk. He was that good and constantly beat my Padres with homeruns before the steroid era. He was a skinny athletic fast powerful 5 tool player from 86 to 94 best in the game. From a Padre fan Barry is a clear cut Hall of Famer.
I think it is funny people say skinny Barry. The dude was 6' 1" and 190 damn pounds. That is not some skinny dude LOL. Now compared to 230 lbs, I agree but 190 is not small.
@@byronsmith3152 someone who is 6'1 should weight 200 pounds genius
@@jaimep3432 I think logic has left you a long time ago. All I said was a guy at that height. who ways 190 Lbs is not a small and skinny dude. SMDH.
I understand protecting the shield or logo or whatever. But as a Hall of Fame you dont have the all hits leader in the hall. The homerun leader not in, and one of the premiere starting pitchers in the past 40 years all not in the hall. So what we have is the hall of good or the hall of the nice guys.
If you put them in... Pete Rose & Shoeless Joe Jackson need to be put in as well...
The fact that Pete still isn’t in an abomination
Everyone was juiced out of their minds back then. Clemens and Bonds were already so good that juice made them god tier much like lance Armstrong. Put them in. This is stupid.
Yet another reason that Baseball is Dying. They've want to pretend like two decades didnt happen.
Writers never had any business voting for the HOF in the first place. People who have never played the sport do not deserve to vote for who goes into the HOF. MotherEFF the Baseball writers.
Bless You Rich Eisen !
"Barry Barry" !
Bonds was a HOF player before steroids ran rampant through the league.
I literally liked this before it played. This has been my stance since the first rumblings of PEDs were heard.
There's a ton of scrupulous players with questionable moral standards already in. Babe Ruth? Notoriously slept with prostitutes, which ended his first marriage, contacted syphilis from it. Gaylord Perry and Whitey Ford? They, among many other pitchers, doctored the ball every start. What about the 75% of players in the 1970s that used amphetamines ("greenies"), including most of the HOF inductees from that time? Or how about Pud Galvin, who at 32 felt he needed more has in the tank, so he drank GROUND UP MONKEY TESTICLES to try and get more testosterone...in 1889.
You are so correct.
and with all the hypocrisy and complicity between the players, the owners, and mlb, now you can understand why bud selig should not be allowed anywhere near the hall. and why were they doing it? to boost the popularity/monetary haul for the sport.
Steroids didn't make them better, it allowed for faster recovery over 162 game schedule. Muscle mass just isn't a determining factor in the hitting of a baseball. It's mechanics, eye sight, and practice that make a good hitter, not steroids
Facts
I think the stats clearly show that steroids provide an advantage. There's a reason everyone started doing them, and it's not because it improved their hitting fundamentals.
@@themetalone7739 Yeah, notice Bonds wasn't getting hurt like Griffey Jr was during their same age-range?
Bottom line Ortiz tested positive for PED use. And got in first ballot. That is all you need to know. How do writers use that as an excuse for some and not others?
Ortiz wasn't fucking a 15-year-old at the height of his career... like Roger Clemens. Can we seriously not see the real reason? No answer for Barry Juicer Bonds though.
Love the baseball coverage! Too many shows just start talking about basketball when football is over (or almost over). Where's hockey?? Where's baseball?? Don't follow the herd!
Can’t wait til they fix the hall! Bonds, Maguire, Popi and little Sammy Boy! Man, Sammy was so damn positive, love that dude! Maybe Rose could introduce them all!
Bonds was a hall of famer well before the homeruns. At least we have a murderer in the hall. The steroid era was the only enjoyable time in baseballs long and boring history
"Do you want to know the terrifying truth? Or do you want to see me sock a few dingers?"
Still one of the greatest lines in that show's history.
Ortiz knows without the PED's he would have been a 250- 260 average hitter with 25 to 30 homerun guy. A good player but no way a HOF level player. He also knows, Clemens and Bonds were better overall players than he was.
A museum shows the good and the bad throughout history. Its a place for learning, not just another way to advertise.
If they all had came clean originally, I think we'd forgive/forget.
The steroid Era of baseball, is the Era that saved baseball from dying out
It's the Baseball Hall of Fame & Museum, not the Ethics and Morality Hall of Fame & Museum.
Personally I think they should all be in and frankly I wish they would give them back the greenies and peds. For me as a kid that was the best era of baseball and I miss it terribly. Todays game is so boring to me as an adult
Why do I always feel like a soy boy after watching Rich? My testosterone levels drop to record lows every time I hear him speak.
I guess I am in the minority, but I agree with the decision to keep Bonds and Clemens out. Bonds hitting 73 hrs at 44 is beyond ludicrous when you take a step back. It's insulting to someone with the ability to reason.
I am with you. They should call it the Hall of Shame because of Greedy Owners, Agents, Players and unfortunately us as fans.
Bonds was 36 when he hit 73
@@jbbreese details
Bonds and his juiced huge head DO NOT belong in the HOF, as far as real baseball fans know, he holds no records legitimately. Maris and Aaron hold the records , period!!
And you know exactly that the two players you mention did not use PEDs in an era, when nobody cared and nobody tested, but when all sorts of PEDs already existed.
I’m waiting for a good argument for keeping Wagner, Helton, Rolen, Kent, Nathan, Papelbon and Burhle our of the hall.
Good players not HOF, if Fred McGriff isn't in, then Kent, Rolen, and Helton shouldn't be in
@@jsain360 I think McGriff should be in. Kent has the most home runs by a second baseman ever he HAS to be in.
They should be in the hall of fame but remove those fake home run records.
I feel like every football player that used pain killers should be removed from the HOF.
Of course the voting is broken. Just like it is in the NFL and the NBA.
Money talks
Steroids to me ruined baseball, true that the homerun chase in the early 2000s gained huge viewership it has led to this long ball or bust mentality amongst the baseball braintrusts and has now lost more than it gained in that era. The reason it was so captivating was because homeruns were an outlier and movement and strategy for baserunners and defensive positioning mattered, now not at all. I would not vote for anyone regardless of numbers if they are heavily linked to steroids it's an unfair substance in sports.
Before that chase baseball was loathed in america due to the strike
@@tdaddy6505
That's not a reason or excuse...
Agreed 👍 The stars of the 70's were taking uppers and Downers like candy. Barry Bonds and Roger Clements were MLB legends BEFORE the steroids!!
Maybe Bonds needs removed from the museum. Society has rotted to the point, that we want to honor someone who actively cheated at their sport. All that should exist of Bonds is a paragraph talking about how great he was and how he threw it away because he cheated.
2:10 I read an article once that proved Brady Anderson didn’t do roids it was really interesting
Baseball is quickly becoming irrelevant to the younger generations.
At the same time, the old establishment is bring stubborn and stuck in their own ways.
Why not highlight and market the careers of Bonds, Mcguire and Clemens and introduce them to the kids?
Let's not pretend that they would be shocked by steroid use or haven't been exposed to these topics already.
I'm 62 and was a huge baseball fan. They have beat the Fandom out of me. It's still my favorite game but I don't watch it anymore.
I pay a lot to see excellence. I don’t care if they used enhancement drugs….just be good! We all pay to SEE THE BEST.
Truth!!!
If they all go in then Dick Allen has to go in too …he was scariest hitter for over a decade.
That would work…
Main man dick Allen? He makes harold baines look like babe Ruth. Dick Allen wasn’t even close to hall of fame. It’s outrageous
No interest in seeing Bonds in; he made a mockery of the sport. The HOF is a sham anyway - no Pete Rose and no Roger Maris? It’s not a Hall of Fame. Maris still holds the legitimate home run record season, 60 years later.
Uh oh. Did my man Rich Eisen use this word "suspected," intentionally? Applies ZERO percent to Roger Clemens. Covering the sport '96 to '03 isn't carte blanche to absolve these players. It's not like you're Tim Kurkjian in that respect. I like you a lot, Rich, but you give yourself a smidge too much credit. But then again, if their Commissioner is in, all bets are off. Enshrine every player he turned a blind eye to.
If their stats don't have asterisks then their HOF plaques shouldn't have asterisks either.
This world is so hypocritical because alot of businesses, sponsorships, and betting people profited off of it. The same people pointing fingers today, weren't complaining back then!
“It was awesome!” Yes it was Rich, yes it was.
NO - until Dale Murphy is in, NOBODY else should get in. It's a SICKENING DISGRACE that Murphy isn't in the HoF. He was the best player of the ENTIRE DECADE of the 1980s. He was better than HALF the current outfielders in the HoF. Harold Baines is in the HoF, FFS! Sandy Koufax is in the HoF. He had 4 HoF years. Murphy had 6. Murphy isn't in the HoF BECAUSE of the PED users. NO - if Murphy doesn't get in, these guys should NEVER get in. Ortiz should NOT be in before Murphy.
It doesn't make it ok just because "everyone was doing it". That's completely unfair to the guys who didn't want to risk their health and got left behind.
What about all the racists in the Hall? What about them ?
The only reason papi is in and Clemens and Bonds aren't is because papi was friendly with the media and they weren't
If you don't put Bonds or Clemmons in, you can't justify having Smoltz or Maddux in there either. They all played in the same era, so it stands to reason they could have used roids as well.
Thanks for the shout out to the beauty of upstate NY rich! Our sunsets are truly have unique shades of red orange and purple
The writers had no problem cashing their checks covering them. Baseball team owners had no problem lining their pockets and building new stadiums, due to the increased revenue and renewed popularity. Selig had no problem as long as the game was was profitable. Now they want to act holier than thou. Hypocrites. All of them.
Do not even suggest you are going to change your mind and honor cheaters
Tom Brady, Suspended for cheating and was on A team known for cheating. I rest my case.
I am just asking because I don't know, but with today's advancements in medicine Is today's legal substances stronger than the steroids of the 70's 80's?
Of course the coward and hypocrite wouldn’t mind.
Make it make sense... all of them in. It's not a museum of morality. It's a museum for a game. And all of them includes Rose.
I'm surprised nobody is outraged at the fact Schilling didn't get in. The funny thing is He didn't get voted in because of things He said about the Voters🤣🤣
Likely because Bonds is arguably the greatest hitter of all time, roids or not.
MLB profited from Bonds and the other dudes in that era success that’s how hypocritical is that league and baseball is as a SPORT. That’s why? They suck as a PRODUCT and need to change for there relevance.
Willie Mays is still the greatest postwar player.😺
Fact, straight up fact! Mr. Mays, Bonds' Godfather, is ths best all around player of all time.
Tim Raines is in the hall of fame. Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens are not.
Much respect Rich. Your argument, as eloquently as you put it, discredits the diligent hard work of players that chose not to PED. Agree, these guys were amazing...do an additional wing for players with an asterisk. “Steroid era” still discredits the honest guys.
Speaking of “rail thin”, Pujols gained 30 lbs in his career. I guess he was a juicer based on the theory that if you gain 30 lbs over 10-12 years you’re cheating.