I am a life long Dodgers fan and I have to say no player ever scared me so much when he batted against my team. I lived near the Bay Area during college and I went to many Giants games. He was like no one else. Many many many of the players from this era juiced, still none could hit like Bonds. He was the most intimidating, capable, hitter I've ever seen.
These sports, these teams, belong to the people. Yes, some John Fisher's out there will muddy that but at the core these are our teams. We support them, pay for tickets and merchandise, our spirits rise and fall with them. They are ours, like this country is ours. We might not own them but they are a part of us and we are a part of them. Thank you for your unsolicited advice but how about you just do you?
I'd say he was a big part of why I started watching, but also a big reason of why I've lost interest as well (think: tiger woods and golf, once he was no longer dominating it got boring). When you see the top of the mountain, everything else pales in comparison. Bonds put up sustained numbers not seen since Babe Ruth. A lot of people are like Mike Trout or Ohtani is the best and I'm like lol, did any of you watch Pujols for the first 10-11 years of his career, let alone Bonds. People will say stuff like well pitchers throw harder yada yada yada, but during 9 out of 10 of alberts years in anaheim he never struck out more than 76 times in a season, the one exception being 93 in 2017. Says a lot about the guy in todays strike out happy climate.
He's the best player of my lifetime without a doubt. I wasn't around to see Dimaggio or Mays or Ruth, but I've watched 4 game series during which Bonds didn't make an out. He either homered, hit for extra bases, or drew a walk. The most dominant and intimidating hitter I've ever seen.
When the ‘80s 49ers went on their run, teams were going 12-4 & not making the playoffs…that shit is foul…50 win suns with Nash & stoudemire & no playoffs is insane…standards were diffy…now teams are under .500 & a 2 seed 💁🏾♂️
@@MartiniGTGP take it easy beloved, I didn’t mean it literally, was simply making a point how teams that suck get rewarded compared to teams from yesteryear who were good got jerked….another point in CFB 6-7 will get you a bowl game but 13-0 won’t guarantee you a shot at the national championship….IJS 💁🏾♂️
Glad you mentioned his first four years of batting at lead off position. 1987 Bonds finishes 8th in WAR amongst position players, 1988 Bonds finished 7th in WAR amongst position players, 1989 Bonds finished 3rd in WAR amongst position players. Had he been moved down earlier his career hitting in between the other two all stars (Bonilla & Van Slyke), his RBI numbers would have been better. Oh and Bonds was robbed of the MVP in 1991. He would have 3 MVPs with the Pirates. When you're best player on the team isn't your highest paid player, you agitate that player. Anytime you walk a man more than anyone else that has ever played, anytime you walk a player intentionally with the bases loaded (1998 clean), that player deserves to be the home run king. Correct, you ain't never gonna see that type of player again.
Barry Bonds was my favorite player growing up as a kid. I lived 30mins away from SF and saw him play a bunch. It's nice to see legit baseball fans give him his credit. I was confused as a child when ppl started telling me he sucked /cheated
He never sucked as a ballplayer. He could have made the HOF without the roids. But man was Barry a dick to people. That doesn't help the public perception.
@@ArJayDMbecause I’m not simping for a known cheater? Interesting theory but I gotta disagree kid. You’re free to lick dirtbags boots though, seems like being on your knees is your natural state so go ahead and bow down to scumbags all you want.
@@thewkovacs316 And he was. If he had not lost those years during the Korean War, Mays would have hit 715 homers first, IMO (To be fair, I think Ted Williams would have broken most hitting records as well during that time). In any event, I saw Willie Mays during most of his career, and even had the extreme pleasure of witnessing him hit a homer off Claude Osteen of the Dodgers in Dodger Stadium. He is the best all-around (complete) player I have ever witnessed play. He excelled in ever category. Mays = GOAT
That's the truth! and you can add Bagwell as it was reported in the Houston Chronicle. Bonds, Clemens, McGwire and Sheffield didn't test positive for PEDs. See I view them differently than Arod, Manny Ramirez, Palmerio and Braun. THey tested positive and faced suspension. Those are three categories, those who juiced and are in the hall, those who most likely juiced who never tested positive, and those who juiced and got busted and tested positive.
Yes but steroids can turn ground outs into line drive hits and fly outs into home runs. It absolutely makes a difference otherwise players wouldn’t take them.
@@ErikDayne How many times do I have to point out the following: BEFORE STEROIDS BARRY WAS A HALL OF FAMER 411 Home runs, 1200 RBI, 1357 walks, OBP of .411, OPS of 990, 8 Gold Gloves for his defense, 3 MVP awards, and nearly 100 WAR......BEFORE HE ROIDED OUT!!!! A .290 BA with 445 Stolen bases BEFORE ROIDS!!! Tell me that 1986 - 1998 Barry Bonds was not a HOF career on its own. After Steroids (1999 to 2007) his BA went up exactly 26 points from 290 to 316. His OPS jumped from 993 to 1217. It's an insane increase to be sure, but the BA didn't jump nearly as much as you'd think. The real damage was his slugging % and OPS. Barry is a sure fire HOF player pre 1999 when he started using roids to keep up with McGwire and Sammy Sosa. Oh yeah, and his gold gloves were not due to steroids either, since he didn't win any after he began using.
@@ErikDayne and yet he was already hitting home runs at a high clip before his alleged use. It turned his home runs into mega home runs but they were still homers. great eye for the ball and one of the purest swings of all time!
My argument to this is steroids can help with your bat speed allowing you to wait longer in the pitch to read the ball prior to starting your swing which is huge when you're already talking about such little time to make your decision. But I agree I think it would be a disservice to not acknowledge the players of that era when the sport was heading downhill. Everyone was taking anabolics, and today tons are taking them. There are only so many compounds you can test for and the types of test you can take to detect them as performance enhancers are always evolving and being studied.
@@Rynoheonlydoesawsome Exactly, this "steroids don't help BA" argument is complete BS. Not to mention if all your long pop flys are now going out of the park, that improves BA as well. Bonds was a 25-35 HR kind of guy before roids. Then he was hitting 45-73. That's 10-38 more hits. Also, if you increase a batter's exit velocity, his BA will go up. A 105 mph line drive is more likely to get by a fielder than a 98mph line drive.
@@wingracer1614You do know that He had more than 400 dingers, 400 sb , multiple all stars, MVP, ss and ggs before roids and balco. If he retired after 98 he would have still had a hof worthy career. He's still the only 500-500 player in MLB history.
The best hitter of all time, if not the best hitter in recent times. I didn't see Babe Ruth nor Ted Williams, but I saw Barry Bonds. That dude was unbelievable. His plate vision was unmatched and still is.
Bonds is the best hitter of all time. His 73 hr season outshines the other years, but you could argue his 2002 or 2004 seasons were even more impressive. 198 walks with a .370 avg, and 242 walks with a .362 average and still hit 46, and 45 hr. That’s just unbelievable
@@socalangler4082 adding "if not the best hitter in recent times" implies that one could argue that there have been better hitters in recent times, which would be pointless because you already established that he is the best hitter of ALL time.
@@ErikDayne The steroids obviously gave him more power. They don't give you ridiculous hand eye coordination and turn you into one of the best hitters in mlb history. He showed enough before the roids to prove how good he actually was. He didn't need the drugs. Yes he shouldn't have done it but you can give those same shots to 99 percent of other players and they won't come remotely close to accomplishing stats like Bonds finished with
It's criminal that you only have about 3k subs the quality of these videos are really good way better then those channels with millions of subs that screams at you
Bonds is the most complete baseball player to ever live next to Willie Mays and Griffey Jr, love him or hate him the guy was a different before the Roids he was a superstar with the roids he became an Alien
i remember ken griffey jr being the spark that fueled kids my age to love baseball. i remember sosa and mcgwire fighting for the hr title, and i distinctly remember my friend coming over unannounced wanting to ride bikes, and me saying wait a minute sosa is at bat, and i watched him hit number 66. i remember pedro martinez owning an era in which pitchers were cannon fodder for monster hitters. but none of that compares to how dominant barry bonds was in baseball. he was dominant like shaq was in basketball, and that's not a common comparison one can make. there's never been a more fearsome baseball player and i don't care about doing steroids. not when baseball is okay with what pitchers have done since then. he deserves hall of fame, he deserves recognition as the GOAT on-base and power hitter and without an asterisk, it just isn't legitimate baseball history if we don't acknowledge it.
Only because he cheated. He was a good all star before that who would have retired at 38 with numbers good enough for the HoF but not in anyone GOAT conversation. His numbers are steroid inflated.
Better than you could believe. Best batting eye in baseball. Dudes who did Amphetamines and Cocaine to get through the schedule in their day, got something to say about whatever Barry took, meanwhile the homerun wars of the early 2000s literally saved baseball.
Bonds was arguably the most talented player in the history of the game. Through 1999 (his age 35 year - and before the juice), he had over 400 HR, over 400 SB and 8 GG. Amazing. The thing about juicing up is this: he was the best and he knew it. When he saw what lesser lights like McGwire and Sosa and others were accomplishing juiced, and that baseball wasn't doing anything to stop it, he was motivated to join the party. It wasn't all roses, as the bulk (and age) robbed him of speed and the mobility to be the Gold Glove outfielder he'd been in previous years.
In over two centuries of baseball, no one player has struck more fear into their opponents than Bonds. He leads all time intentional bases on ball by over double the second place Albert Pujols. A lot of guys were geared up during that era, but none of them did what Bonds did. He absolutely deserves a place in Cooperstown.
He's never tested positive. Was he on them? Absolutely. Did anyone ever prove it? Nope. It isn't what you know it's what you can prove and it never was. He should be in the hall. End of discussion.
That’s true in a court of law. This is not a court of law. We know he cheated so it doesn’t matter if we can prove it or not. He’s a cheater and cheaters don’t deserve to be honored. If you want to honor someone then honor guys like Ichiro and Ken Griffey Jr who were amazing and did it the right way without cheating.
@@ErikDayne I don't know man. There's definitely levels to cheating. The 2017 Astros were actually cheaters. The people who participated in the 2017 scandal deserve nothing. People scuffing up baseballs, using spider tack, amphetamines, etc, are all cheating as well, but we'll call them lesser cheaters. I don't see anyone trying to keep these so called 'lesser cheaters' out of the hall of fame. That's the hypocrisy of this whole thing. (Cheaters are everywhere) Trying to gain an advantage is part of baseball. I have a hard time placing steroids on the scale of cheating. Quantifying the effect is difficult. They obviously make you bigger, and likely stronger, so you can probably swing the bat a bit faster. That warning track power suddenly turns into homeruns, but you still have to be able to hit the ball. I personally don't have an issue with what Bonds did, he showed us what the human limits were in todays game. Putting up better than peak babe ruth numbers against much deeper fields of competition is incredible regardless of what he was putting into his body. None of his contemporaries were coming close to what he was doing. Outside of Sammy Sosa and McGwire putting up a combined 5 60-70 home run seasons, nothing else seemed particularly anomalous about the steroid era. (I want to be clear this is an oversimplification, some people had high batting averages and for a while we'd get a lot of people with over 1.000 OPS.)
If you gave them to some of the longest lasting HoF career players, they would accumulate much higher stats, but the rate they did so would be less, almost certainly.
Of course they would. Frank Thomas was a .330 40 hr guy clean. Shohei, Judge ... forget about it. Brady Anderson juiced for 1 year and went from 15 home runs to 50. Bonds would have retired at 37.
Give roids to Ted Williams in his age 35-39 seasons and the 4+ years in his prime when he was serving in the military. That would probably be interesting to see.
@@laartwork After thinking about it for a few days, I think I over-stated things a bit. You are correct about some of these guys in terms of longevity, for sure. Bonds was a combo of insane talent, but he also managed to stay healthy. Steroids don't prevent you from pulling hamstrings or blowing out your knees- some of the guys you mentioned would never have held up like that. In short, it was a combo of steroid longevity, insane talent, fortunate health and the mental focus to actually rise to the occasion (can't discount performing under pressure). I'll never forget watching it as it happened.
Best way to start my day. Bonds 100% deserves to be in the HOF. The man should have been in even before his career and controversy with the giants. Obviously a controversial topic but no doubt in my mind.
When you consider all of the death threats Hank Aaron received in pursuit of the home run record, it’s an absolute travesty that someone cheated to break his record. Reggie Jackson said it best, “Bonds would have hit 100 home runs if more teams pitched to him. No player in baseball history has naturally been that good.”
Hes the greatest player that's ever stepped on a field. PERIOD. Leland held him back because he didn't like him. He basically dominated and willed himself to greatness that he was and would be
As someone who takes TRT, sorry, I can’t go and slam a 95 mph heater 480 feet. Guy needs his props and people are super two faced over who’s in the HOF and who isn’t. Put Barry in
I met this guy, well, rather I saw him up close. He's not a great human being, and he's an arrogant guy, but he's one of if not the greatest hitters in MLB history. He deserves to be in the Baseball HOF without a doubt.
My grandpa was on several coaching staffs in the MLB in the late 50’s, 60’s, and early 70’s. He spoke often about players in those eras using steroids as well. It was widely known that Dianabol was the drug of choice. Its been in baseball for over 60 years and Bonds is one of the unfortunate to get pinched.
He never failed a test. He never admitted guilt and gain 30lbs of muscle mass by putting in the work... most Athletes that lifts weights gain 20-30lbs in their mid to late 20s to their 30s. Michael Jordan gained 30lbs of muscle by the time he was dominating the league in the 90s from his rookie season at 185lbs. Pippen gained 25-30lbs. Rodman. Football players do it often. But Barry crushes his whole career whatever his size. Barry is the best player to ever play baseball. Fuck the media who hate on him and trash his name with zero evidence.
Only player with 400/400, 450/450, and 500/500. Hall of fame!!!! Ruth didn't play African American players. Mays took uppers that are now illegal. STOP IT! elect him yesterday
Bonds is under appreciated and his statistics do not show how good he was. Except perhaps his walk stats. Being walked 200 times per season, many intentional, takes away, what would otherwise be at bats and home runs. If he was pitched too, his stats would be so far off the charts. But he was better than the pitching. He was better than everything. He was far and away. The best offensive baseball player... ever.
in a time where everybody was doing it is a little unjust to judge him. Many were doing it, we are just mad because he was so good he broke record while consuming...
Bonds 100% deserves the hall. People seem to forget that he was an MVP caliber player in the 90s which is before he took roids, and he also has the record for most walks in a single season and the most walks in a career. Steroids don't help you see the ball or not swing at things outside of the zone.
Also how do you know he was clean in the 90s? If he was willing to take steroids later in his career, you can’t say for sure he wouldn’t have been willing to do them earlier in his career. Yes he got bigger later but that could have been because he added HGH to the steroids he was already taking.
@@laartworkit sends that the writers let David Ortiz in knowing he cheated as well. Get off your high horse, Barry Bonds is not in the Hall of Fame because the writers are holding a grudge against him because he wasn’t nice to them. It has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with “integrity” of the game.
Barry, straight GOAT, hands down the greatest MLB player of all time, if he wasn't such a A-hole back in the day, he would of been in the Hall first past !!!
Barry bonds is not in the Hall of Fame because he wasn't nice to the media. A lot of them didn't like him. They still don't. And even if he was using steroids they don't help you with your hand and eye coordination and he was the best to ever do that. And even if you took away his stats from 2001 on he still had a 290 batting average over 400 home runs over 400 stolen bases and three MVPs he was a Hall of famer already before the steroids.
Im a dodgers fan and have started a "barry sucks" chant out in the left field pavilion one time he turned around and just smirked. He was up to bat the next inning....goes up and belts a mammoth homerun. Hecomes back out to his position looks at us and does the shhhhh motion like "barry what"
Every era had some kind of performance enhancing drug that was ubiquitous. Bonds was playing on a level field with his contemporaries, who were also using the same class of drugs. He was still miles ahead of them. The separation between Bonds and everyone else was on the same level as Cobb, Ruth, and Ohtani (for now). And he absolutely should be on everyone’s all-time great list. If you saw him, you knew. If you didn’t, look up his highlights.
I wonder how many people will turn on Trout when they find out hes been on HgH. They try to keep it a secret but he has a medical condition and HgH is the treatment so its legal. He was 5'8" 150 lbs in high school. Early years w Angels he had a skinny face, blew up like bonds and grew to 6'2" 235 lbs, legit grew 6" 85 lbs. My son was 5'5" 125 n got on HgH for hormone deficiency. Mother 4'11" 95 lbs, im 5'9" 175 nornal(i juiced in college in 2000 playing baseball, even at NAIA it was expected to take them if u wanted to play. Everyone i knew took them) he was expected to be 5'7" 145 lbs n got to 6'1-2" 180 lbs bc of HgH legally. FYI I was told this by a scout prior to the public accusations defending at the time, why Cutch was the best in the league not Trout around 2013/14 well before the accusations in 2020 Its ridiculous the politics in baseball n how they choose whos a super star and who to hate. Bonds Clemons were 2 of 400-500 players on juice n never proven but they act like it was maybe 10 guys on the sauce. Look what Bauer is going through, proved innocents yet still not a league minimum offer. 😮 Not to mention the ridiculous umps union keeping Angel Hernandez employed. Or Bud Selig in the HoF when he turned a blind eye to obvious steroid usage bc Sosa n Big Mac were bringing baseball back from the ridiculous strike. Dont get me started on Pete Rose n Shoeless Joe- u could make an hour long vid of corrupt politics in mlb.
It's wild to think how Bonds could have helped a handful of contending teams from 2008-2009. He could still hit and get on base, shame the league essentially colluded to get him away from the game.
There was this fuss about Barry Bond hitting home runs and this Giants game was on so I decided to watch what the fuss was about. Hitting a home run is not that easy, I was like he’s not hitting a home run. Dude hits a home run and I was like he just got lucky, if they pitched again to him I bet he’s not hitting a home run. They pitched again when he was up and another home run. I was like wow…this guy is no joke. I ended up following his plays and he’s the greatest hitter I have ever seen. You cannot pitch to this guy period. If you do it’s a super big risk.
10:35 It's weird wording but you basically say people had seen 5 60+ home run seasons in 3 years. Weird wording aside, wasn't it 6 instances of 60+ home runs? Mcgwire 70, 65 (98-99), Sosa 66, 63, 64 (98,99,01) and Bonds 73 (01). As someone else had pointed out, your infographic at 13:16 is wrong. His Batting average was .362, his On base Percentage was .609, his Slugging .812 for an OPS of 1.422, the highest in major league history. He had 232 walks, 120 of which were Intentional.
So many current players are on the sauce and people just look the other way, so because he was caught now none of his stats count ? That’s not right. He deserves to be in the Hall easily as well as Pete Rose, Clemens ect
It is not complicated. Dude was quite simply the best baseball player on the planet for most of his 22 year career. He never once popped on a piss test. His statistics and accomplishments will never be matched.
Barry Bonds was a hall of famer before steroid allegations. Plus if I remember correctly he never tested positive for steroids . Dude is the scariest hitter ever .
Saw Juan Soto hit a massive home run today, and reminded me, let's see Barry's bomb in the Bronx. The arch towards justice in fans are favorable to Bonds. His swing and plate presence are the best baseball has ever seen. The Hall means nothing if Bonds is not in it.
When it comes to the Hall of Fame, we should throw out every single statistic Barry Bonds gathered in the seasons after we suspect he started taking PEDs. That's the only way to make things fair. And..... *checks notes* He's worth 100 WAR as a result, and is a no doubt first ballot level player.
Key words- “we suspect”. The fact is we can’t say for sure when he started taking steroids, so we can’t say for sure which of his stats are legit and which are fraudulent.
At that rate we need to throw out 60 WAR from Ortiz, leaving him with... 0 Look, they all cheat, it's just part of the sport. I don't believe in Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny anymore either and I'm still OK
Exactly. You know who else had 100 WAR in his first 15 seasons, and before he ever used PEDs? Roger Clemens. It's an absolute absurdity that both men aren't in the HOFer.
Would've been a hall of famer regardless. But I think the steroids prolonged his career after the elbow injury. He likely used the roids to recover from injury faster and then went overboard. I don't think he breaks the records without the roids but still 1st ballot HOF no question.
MLB, ESPN, and everyone who calls him a cheater does not understand baseball. Steroids help with muscle growth and recovery, but it doesn't make you a better hitter. To me, he is the baseball GOAT.
I am a life long Dodgers fan and I have to say no player ever scared me so much when he batted against my team. I lived near the Bay Area during college and I went to many Giants games. He was like no one else. Many many many of the players from this era juiced, still none could hit like Bonds. He was the most intimidating, capable, hitter I've ever seen.
Your team? Sports fans would do well to move away from this term.
These sports, these teams, belong to the people. Yes, some John Fisher's out there will muddy that but at the core these are our teams. We support them, pay for tickets and merchandise, our spirits rise and fall with them. They are ours, like this country is ours. We might not own them but they are a part of us and we are a part of them. Thank you for your unsolicited advice but how about you just do you?
@@jonnyschwartz😅⚾️
@jonnyschwartz you don't own the team. You're just a pay pig. No matter how much copium you want to huff. Thanks for the world salad though.
@@gregpenismith1248you’re that type of guy. Nice 🤡
I don't care what anyone says, this era of baseball was absolute MUST WATCH tv!!! So glad that I was able to enjoy it. Bonds should be in the HOF
Best era, ever!!
Barry bonds the reason i start watching baseball… and the reason im SF giants fan🔥🔥
The reason I stopped,they colluded against him so he wouldn't get 3000 hits.
I'd say he was a big part of why I started watching, but also a big reason of why I've lost interest as well (think: tiger woods and golf, once he was no longer dominating it got boring). When you see the top of the mountain, everything else pales in comparison. Bonds put up sustained numbers not seen since Babe Ruth. A lot of people are like Mike Trout or Ohtani is the best and I'm like lol, did any of you watch Pujols for the first 10-11 years of his career, let alone Bonds. People will say stuff like well pitchers throw harder yada yada yada, but during 9 out of 10 of alberts years in anaheim he never struck out more than 76 times in a season, the one exception being 93 in 2017. Says a lot about the guy in todays strike out happy climate.
@@mcdonoghrahloh459 you have to be a good hitter to get 3000 hits and steroids just gives you power so you have to be a good hitter
@@marelehamilton9879 He was 65 hits short ,he would have gotten it in 2008,and if he was still on anything in 08 then the testing must be flawed
He's the best player of my lifetime without a doubt. I wasn't around to see Dimaggio or Mays or Ruth, but I've watched 4 game series during which Bonds didn't make an out. He either homered, hit for extra bases, or drew a walk. The most dominant and intimidating hitter I've ever seen.
103 wins and not making the playoffs is absolutely criminal
When the ‘80s 49ers went on their run, teams were going 12-4 & not making the playoffs…that shit is foul…50 win suns with Nash & stoudemire & no playoffs is insane…standards were diffy…now teams are under .500 & a 2 seed 💁🏾♂️
@@meekmozart5216when are teams 2 seed teams under 500.. ever? Name twice.
@@MartiniGTGP take it easy beloved, I didn’t mean it literally, was simply making a point how teams that suck get rewarded compared to teams from yesteryear who were good got jerked….another point in CFB 6-7 will get you a bowl game but 13-0 won’t guarantee you a shot at the national championship….IJS 💁🏾♂️
Thank the Braves
Boy if I was Bonds I would’ve went to Atlanta. They kept him out of the WS when he was at his best.
Bro what do you mean? My MLB the show 24 RTTS self has already hit 130 homers in 46 games in double A I’m coming for the record baby
If you’re not playing on legend or hall of fame hitting difficulty? We’re jot tryna hear that man
Legendary numbers. Maybe the HOF will vote you in soon 😂
lol good job on rookie difficulty. My 4 year old son could do that .
What a corny comment
My player hit 270HR his rookie year 🤣🤣
Glad you mentioned his first four years of batting at lead off position. 1987 Bonds finishes 8th in WAR amongst position players, 1988 Bonds finished 7th in WAR amongst position players, 1989 Bonds finished 3rd in WAR amongst position players. Had he been moved down earlier his career hitting in between the other two all stars (Bonilla & Van Slyke), his RBI numbers would have been better. Oh and Bonds was robbed of the MVP in 1991. He would have 3 MVPs with the Pirates. When you're best player on the team isn't your highest paid player, you agitate that player. Anytime you walk a man more than anyone else that has ever played, anytime you walk a player intentionally with the bases loaded (1998 clean), that player deserves to be the home run king. Correct, you ain't never gonna see that type of player again.
Very good observations!
Barry Bonds was my favorite player growing up as a kid. I lived 30mins away from SF and saw him play a bunch.
It's nice to see legit baseball fans give him his credit. I was confused as a child when ppl started telling me he sucked /cheated
I spent my birthday money and bought two tickets to three games to see Barry. He earned the hall before he even played with the juice.
He never sucked as a ballplayer. He could have made the HOF without the roids. But man was Barry a dick to people. That doesn't help the public perception.
He did cheat though. That’s a fact and it’s not good to ignore facts just because they hurt your feelings.
@@ErikDayne you're the one that sounds hurt kiddo
@@ArJayDMbecause I’m not simping for a known cheater? Interesting theory but I gotta disagree kid. You’re free to lick dirtbags boots though, seems like being on your knees is your natural state so go ahead and bow down to scumbags all you want.
I remember Barry Bonds as the greatest MLB player of ALL TIME!!!!
bonds would say his godfather was the greatest of all time
Me too I know bums that did steroids & there still bums
@@juliocenteno5400 but i bet they know the difference between there and theyre
@@thewkovacs316 dude are you serious wow get a life it was one word I didn’t know you were an English major
@@thewkovacs316 And he was. If he had not lost those years during the Korean War, Mays would have hit 715 homers first, IMO (To be fair, I think Ted Williams would have broken most hitting records as well during that time). In any event, I saw Willie Mays during most of his career, and even had the extreme pleasure of witnessing him hit a homer off Claude Osteen of the Dodgers in Dodger Stadium. He is the best all-around (complete) player I have ever witnessed play. He excelled in ever category. Mays = GOAT
I don't care what anybody says, that swing is clean
Fast fucking hands. Great eyes.
Still can’t stand him in the fucking dugout, though. So toxic.
@@devinwalton408u was in the majors?
CLEAN AF
Ken Griffey Jr’s swing was even better and he never needed steroids to help him
@@ErikDayne nah
I feel like at the 7:00 mark we go from watching Ronald Acuna Jr+ highlights to David Ortiz+ highlights
Let's be real. Barry isn't in the HOF because of his personality. Nothing to do with PEDs.
Right, Piazza, IRod, & Papi?
Facts bro
That's the truth! and you can add Bagwell as it was reported in the Houston Chronicle. Bonds, Clemens, McGwire and Sheffield didn't test positive for PEDs. See I view them differently than Arod, Manny Ramirez, Palmerio and Braun. THey tested positive and faced suspension. Those are three categories, those who juiced and are in the hall, those who most likely juiced who never tested positive, and those who juiced and got busted and tested positive.
Yep let's add bagwell to that list
Yep the Houston Chronicle reported that Bagwell used the andro.
THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
the juice doesn’t give u an eye which is evident through his whole career not just the years on the juice
Yes but steroids can turn ground outs into line drive hits and fly outs into home runs. It absolutely makes a difference otherwise players wouldn’t take them.
@@ErikDayne How many times do I have to point out the following: BEFORE STEROIDS BARRY WAS A HALL OF FAMER
411 Home runs, 1200 RBI, 1357 walks, OBP of .411, OPS of 990, 8 Gold Gloves for his defense, 3 MVP awards, and nearly 100 WAR......BEFORE HE ROIDED OUT!!!! A .290 BA with 445 Stolen bases BEFORE ROIDS!!!
Tell me that 1986 - 1998 Barry Bonds was not a HOF career on its own.
After Steroids (1999 to 2007) his BA went up exactly 26 points from 290 to 316.
His OPS jumped from 993 to 1217. It's an insane increase to be sure, but the BA didn't jump nearly as much as you'd think. The real damage was his slugging % and OPS. Barry is a sure fire HOF player pre 1999 when he started using roids to keep up with McGwire and Sammy Sosa.
Oh yeah, and his gold gloves were not due to steroids either, since he didn't win any after he began using.
@@ErikDayne and yet he was already hitting home runs at a high clip before his alleged use. It turned his home runs into mega home runs but they were still homers. great eye for the ball and one of the purest swings of all time!
@@ErikDaynethe whole league was on steroids.
Bond still stood out.
@@tajmula671 steroids will improve your vision and your bat speed.
Steroids don’t help with BA. You still need to be able to hit the ball, Bonds deserves the hall
My argument to this is steroids can help with your bat speed allowing you to wait longer in the pitch to read the ball prior to starting your swing which is huge when you're already talking about such little time to make your decision. But I agree I think it would be a disservice to not acknowledge the players of that era when the sport was heading downhill. Everyone was taking anabolics, and today tons are taking them. There are only so many compounds you can test for and the types of test you can take to detect them as performance enhancers are always evolving and being studied.
@@Rynoheonlydoesawsome Exactly, this "steroids don't help BA" argument is complete BS. Not to mention if all your long pop flys are now going out of the park, that improves BA as well. Bonds was a 25-35 HR kind of guy before roids. Then he was hitting 45-73. That's 10-38 more hits.
Also, if you increase a batter's exit velocity, his BA will go up. A 105 mph line drive is more likely to get by a fielder than a 98mph line drive.
I agree there have been worse people in the hof
@@wingracer1614You do know that He had more than 400 dingers, 400 sb , multiple all stars, MVP, ss and ggs before roids and balco. If he retired after 98 he would have still had a hof worthy career. He's still the only 500-500 player in MLB history.
@@wingracer1614still gotta hit the ball 🤷🏽♂️ can you hit a ball coming at you 95-99
He's the best player I've ever seen
That makes two of us
@@TheOlmonroe1Make it 3.
@@coopericus That's right
He’s the greatest hitter ever and the greatest hitter that I’ve ever seen.
He’s the greatest hitter I’ve ever seen but ohtani is the greatest player I’ve ever seen
The best hitter of all time, if not the best hitter in recent times. I didn't see Babe Ruth nor Ted Williams, but I saw Barry Bonds. That dude was unbelievable. His plate vision was unmatched and still is.
Bonds is the best hitter of all time. His 73 hr season outshines the other years, but you could argue his 2002 or 2004 seasons were even more impressive. 198 walks with a .370 avg, and 242 walks with a .362 average and still hit 46, and 45 hr. That’s just unbelievable
@@AfunNGames 💯
Your first sentence doesn’t make sense.
@@LatinPlayer10 learn english then lol
@@socalangler4082 adding "if not the best hitter in recent times" implies that one could argue that there have been better hitters in recent times, which would be pointless because you already established that he is the best hitter of ALL time.
Bonds 100 percent deserves the Hall. It's not even a question. 103 wins and no playoffs lol. That shouldn't be allowed to happen
He 1000% does not deserve to be in the Hall of Fame. He cheated the game. He belongs in the Hall of Shame.
That's actually a good thing, Along with Jose Canseco who else is the most hated MLB Player of all-time???
@@ErikDayne The steroids obviously gave him more power. They don't give you ridiculous hand eye coordination and turn you into one of the best hitters in mlb history. He showed enough before the roids to prove how good he actually was. He didn't need the drugs. Yes he shouldn't have done it but you can give those same shots to 99 percent of other players and they won't come remotely close to accomplishing stats like Bonds finished with
Oh it's a big question.
@thinkforyourself5672 if he was so good, why did he use steroids?
It's criminal that you only have about 3k subs the quality of these videos are really good way better then those channels with millions of subs that screams at you
Thanks for the words man, videos are only going to get better too. One day at a time
My goat for sure. Need Barry in the HOF.
Hall of fame sure, but he can’t be the goat. If you look at non steriod years Aaron judge has a better career
@@Marcus-kr9dk lmfaooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
@@Zachariah-Abueg lmfao until you realize than judge hits more home runs per game and that’s including the years bonds cheated
Bonds is the most complete baseball player to ever live next to Willie Mays and Griffey Jr, love him or hate him the guy was a different before the Roids he was a superstar with the roids he became an Alien
i remember ken griffey jr being the spark that fueled kids my age to love baseball. i remember sosa and mcgwire fighting for the hr title, and i distinctly remember my friend coming over unannounced wanting to ride bikes, and me saying wait a minute sosa is at bat, and i watched him hit number 66. i remember pedro martinez owning an era in which pitchers were cannon fodder for monster hitters. but none of that compares to how dominant barry bonds was in baseball. he was dominant like shaq was in basketball, and that's not a common comparison one can make. there's never been a more fearsome baseball player and i don't care about doing steroids. not when baseball is okay with what pitchers have done since then. he deserves hall of fame, he deserves recognition as the GOAT on-base and power hitter and without an asterisk, it just isn't legitimate baseball history if we don't acknowledge it.
Loved the Kid! Ken Griffey was the absolute bomb in his prime!
This man posted at 5 Am my time. This man woke me up😭😭😭
Best hitter I've ever seen. When he came up to bat everyone tuned into the game. Never seen anything like it
Barry Bonds is the greatest baseball player I ever witnessed. Period. That run from 2001-2004 was and will always be unmatched 💯💯💯
You must not of witnessed to many great players. Sure, he was a great player before he cheated, but, he cheated.
Blood tests would disagree
Barry is the 🐐. OPEN YOUR EYES HOF AND LET HIM IN!!!!!
Only because he cheated. He was a good all star before that who would have retired at 38 with numbers good enough for the HoF but not in anyone GOAT conversation. His numbers are steroid inflated.
Better than you could believe. Best batting eye in baseball. Dudes who did Amphetamines and Cocaine to get through the schedule in their day, got something to say about whatever Barry took, meanwhile the homerun wars of the early 2000s literally saved baseball.
Bonds was arguably the most talented player in the history of the game. Through 1999 (his age 35 year - and before the juice), he had over 400 HR, over 400 SB and 8 GG. Amazing. The thing about juicing up is this: he was the best and he knew it. When he saw what lesser lights like McGwire and Sosa and others were accomplishing juiced, and that baseball wasn't doing anything to stop it, he was motivated to join the party.
It wasn't all roses, as the bulk (and age) robbed him of speed and the mobility to be the Gold Glove outfielder he'd been in previous years.
ALL FACTS
Because he didn't start roids till 99 rightttttt
If the 94 strike didn't happen he would've been a 40/ 40 guy twice!!!
He was the Best
The GOAT. 100% deserves to be in cooperstown
In over two centuries of baseball, no one player has struck more fear into their opponents than Bonds. He leads all time intentional bases on ball by over double the second place Albert Pujols. A lot of guys were geared up during that era, but none of them did what Bonds did. He absolutely deserves a place in Cooperstown.
he's #2 on the goat list behind Ohtani imo
Bro this content is elite please keep it up
He's never tested positive. Was he on them? Absolutely. Did anyone ever prove it? Nope. It isn't what you know it's what you can prove and it never was. He should be in the hall. End of discussion.
That’s true in a court of law. This is not a court of law. We know he cheated so it doesn’t matter if we can prove it or not. He’s a cheater and cheaters don’t deserve to be honored. If you want to honor someone then honor guys like Ichiro and Ken Griffey Jr who were amazing and did it the right way without cheating.
@@ErikDayne I don't know man. There's definitely levels to cheating. The 2017 Astros were actually cheaters. The people who participated in the 2017 scandal deserve nothing. People scuffing up baseballs, using spider tack, amphetamines, etc, are all cheating as well, but we'll call them lesser cheaters. I don't see anyone trying to keep these so called 'lesser cheaters' out of the hall of fame. That's the hypocrisy of this whole thing. (Cheaters are everywhere) Trying to gain an advantage is part of baseball. I have a hard time placing steroids on the scale of cheating. Quantifying the effect is difficult. They obviously make you bigger, and likely stronger, so you can probably swing the bat a bit faster. That warning track power suddenly turns into homeruns, but you still have to be able to hit the ball.
I personally don't have an issue with what Bonds did, he showed us what the human limits were in todays game. Putting up better than peak babe ruth numbers against much deeper fields of competition is incredible regardless of what he was putting into his body. None of his contemporaries were coming close to what he was doing. Outside of Sammy Sosa and McGwire putting up a combined 5 60-70 home run seasons, nothing else seemed particularly anomalous about the steroid era. (I want to be clear this is an oversimplification, some people had high batting averages and for a while we'd get a lot of people with over 1.000 OPS.)
True. How did his head get so big? 😂
Exactly. NEVER
@@ErikDayneu sound stpd af.
Give steroids to the next 100 other top players and they still wouldn’t have done what he did.
If you gave them to some of the longest lasting HoF career players, they would accumulate much higher stats, but the rate they did so would be less, almost certainly.
Of course they would. Frank Thomas was a .330 40 hr guy clean. Shohei, Judge ... forget about it. Brady Anderson juiced for 1 year and went from 15 home runs to 50. Bonds would have retired at 37.
Give roids to Ted Williams in his age 35-39 seasons and the 4+ years in his prime when he was serving in the military. That would probably be interesting to see.
@@laartwork After thinking about it for a few days, I think I over-stated things a bit. You are correct about some of these guys in terms of longevity, for sure. Bonds was a combo of insane talent, but he also managed to stay healthy. Steroids don't prevent you from pulling hamstrings or blowing out your knees- some of the guys you mentioned would never have held up like that. In short, it was a combo of steroid longevity, insane talent, fortunate health and the mental focus to actually rise to the occasion (can't discount performing under pressure). I'll never forget watching it as it happened.
This is pure nonsense. If you gave Ted Williams steroids he would have hit 1000 home runs.
Best way to start my day. Bonds 100% deserves to be in the HOF. The man should have been in even before his career and controversy with the giants. Obviously a controversial topic but no doubt in my mind.
Lol, no.
Wrong. His numbers are fraudulent. Barry Bonds belongs in the Hall of Shame.
@@bjblitz2701 3 mvps (tied for most all time), the most good gloves for a LF, 7 silver sluggers before 98 dosent belong in the hall ??? Lmaooooo
@@Barrybonds762 Yes? It doesn't matter if he hit 100 hrs a season, that does not impact the disqualifier.
When you consider all of the death threats Hank Aaron received in pursuit of the home run record, it’s an absolute travesty that someone cheated to break his record. Reggie Jackson said it best, “Bonds would have hit 100 home runs if more teams pitched to him. No player in baseball history has naturally been that good.”
He was a hall a famer before 98. He was a hall of famer just as a Pirate
He truly mastered baseball..best hitter ever..imagine if they were no intentional walks allowed...he would hit 150
Hes the greatest player that's ever stepped on a field. PERIOD. Leland held him back because he didn't like him. He basically dominated and willed himself to greatness that he was and would be
Barry Bonds and Willie Mays were the gold standard of modern baseball.
Barry Bonds is the greatest baseball player to ever live.
90s Barry is my favorite version and he was CLEAN
Watching young Barry was a treat
@@dourmoose
Yup, Watched him at candlestick growing up
Oh man I miss the fog horn at the stick
@@winosandbar5077
Gives me chills
You can’t possibly know when he started taking steroids
Barry was a hall of famer after Pittsburgh! Best player I’ve ever seen.
Barry Bonds is simply the best baseball player who ever lived
As someone who takes TRT, sorry, I can’t go and slam a 95 mph heater 480 feet. Guy needs his props and people are super two faced over who’s in the HOF and who isn’t. Put Barry in
I met this guy, well, rather I saw him up close. He's not a great human being, and he's an arrogant guy, but he's one of if not the greatest hitters in MLB history. He deserves to be in the Baseball HOF without a doubt.
My grandpa was on several coaching staffs in the MLB in the late 50’s, 60’s, and early 70’s. He spoke often about players in those eras using steroids as well. It was widely known that Dianabol was the drug of choice. Its been in baseball for over 60 years and Bonds is one of the unfortunate to get pinched.
He got one pitch a game and he would hit it in the seats ! Barry was a hall of famer before the juice! He is the goat
best batter of our time. sweetest swing ever. hof'er. those that know, know
Let's take a moment and realize that Barry bonds and Tom brady went to the same high school
@@Remixchannel-xv2nh did they? That's mental. 2 🐐 high school
barry bonds is the greatest hitter of all time. noone was more dangerous than him.
Barry Bonds is the 🐐. Period
He cheated and can't pitch. So that leaves Shohei as the GOAT.
He wasn’t even the best player of his own generation. That would be Ken Griffey Jr.
@@laartwork😭😆😂😂😆
@@ErikDayneABSOLUTELY FALSE, Bonds numbers were better, you’re just bitter.
@@laartworkShohei don't know you exist he doesnt need your devotion little bro
Greatest hitter of all-time. He was a true 5 tool player in his younger days
I’m trying to figure out why Barry Bonds is the face of steroids and not Selig, McGuire, or even canseco?
He never failed a test. He never admitted guilt and gain 30lbs of muscle mass by putting in the work... most Athletes that lifts weights gain 20-30lbs in their mid to late 20s to their 30s. Michael Jordan gained 30lbs of muscle by the time he was dominating the league in the 90s from his rookie season at 185lbs. Pippen gained 25-30lbs. Rodman. Football players do it often. But Barry crushes his whole career whatever his size. Barry is the best player to ever play baseball. Fuck the media who hate on him and trash his name with zero evidence.
All those guys were on the juice too LOL
Cheating is just part of the sport, I've gotten over it ages ago
Bonds should be in the HOF. Period.
Barry Bonds should be remembered as the greatest ever what a time!
Only player with 400/400, 450/450, and 500/500. Hall of fame!!!! Ruth didn't play African American players. Mays took uppers that are now illegal. STOP IT! elect him yesterday
Nope he’s a cheater he can enjoy being in the Hall of Shame where he belongs
Mays and Aaron didn't have to face specialty relief pitching. Bonds had to face HoF closers. Speaking of closers, they need to elect Billy Wagner.
People drastically underestimate the amount of athletes on drugs in the past
Ruth was actually so called black himself so yea
@@Trizzer89 "Greenies"
People said Bonds couldn't perform in the playoffs early in his career but look who he was facing that Braves pitching staff was iconic
bonds is the greatest player of all times, not even close
Bonds is under appreciated and his statistics do not show how good he was. Except perhaps his walk stats. Being walked 200 times per season, many intentional, takes away, what would otherwise be at bats and home runs. If he was pitched too, his stats would be so far off the charts.
But he was better than the pitching. He was better than everything. He was far and away. The best offensive baseball player... ever.
in a time where everybody was doing it is a little unjust to judge him. Many were doing it, we are just mad because he was so good he broke record while consuming...
*Best hitter ever… period! Next question.*
Bonds 100% deserves the hall. People seem to forget that he was an MVP caliber player in the 90s which is before he took roids, and he also has the record for most walks in a single season and the most walks in a career. Steroids don't help you see the ball or not swing at things outside of the zone.
But then he cheated for years so can't have him Hall of Fame. What message does that send?
Also how do you know he was clean in the 90s? If he was willing to take steroids later in his career, you can’t say for sure he wouldn’t have been willing to do them earlier in his career. Yes he got bigger later but that could have been because he added HGH to the steroids he was already taking.
@@laartworkit sends that the writers let David Ortiz in knowing he cheated as well. Get off your high horse, Barry Bonds is not in the Hall of Fame because the writers are holding a grudge against him because he wasn’t nice to them. It has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with “integrity” of the game.
@@laartwork but they’ve let known cheaters in before so how does that work?
Greatest hitter I’ve ever seen
Barry, straight GOAT, hands down the greatest MLB player of all time, if he wasn't such a A-hole back in the day, he would of been in the Hall first past !!!
Barry bonds is not in the Hall of Fame because he wasn't nice to the media. A lot of them didn't like him. They still don't. And even if he was using steroids they don't help you with your hand and eye coordination and he was the best to ever do that. And even if you took away his stats from 2001 on he still had a 290 batting average over 400 home runs over 400 stolen bases and three MVPs he was a Hall of famer already before the steroids.
"steroids they don't help you with your hand and eye coordination" then why take it?
Im a dodgers fan and have started a "barry sucks" chant out in the left field pavilion one time he turned around and just smirked. He was up to bat the next inning....goes up and belts a mammoth homerun. Hecomes back out to his position looks at us and does the shhhhh motion like "barry what"
WAY TO START MY FUCKING DAY!!!!! 👏🏽 👏🏽 HELL YEA
Every era had some kind of performance enhancing drug that was ubiquitous. Bonds was playing on a level field with his contemporaries, who were also using the same class of drugs. He was still miles ahead of them. The separation between Bonds and everyone else was on the same level as Cobb, Ruth, and Ohtani (for now). And he absolutely should be on everyone’s all-time great list. If you saw him, you knew. If you didn’t, look up his highlights.
Bonds should be inducted into the Hall of Fame as a Pirate. He put up Hall of Fame numbers as a Pittsburgh Pirate
I wonder how many people will turn on Trout when they find out hes been on HgH. They try to keep it a secret but he has a medical condition and HgH is the treatment so its legal. He was 5'8" 150 lbs in high school. Early years w Angels he had a skinny face, blew up like bonds and grew to 6'2" 235 lbs, legit grew 6" 85 lbs. My son was 5'5" 125 n got on HgH for hormone deficiency. Mother 4'11" 95 lbs, im 5'9" 175 nornal(i juiced in college in 2000 playing baseball, even at NAIA it was expected to take them if u wanted to play. Everyone i knew took them) he was expected to be 5'7" 145 lbs n got to 6'1-2" 180 lbs bc of HgH legally.
FYI I was told this by a scout prior to the public accusations defending at the time, why Cutch was the best in the league not Trout around 2013/14 well before the accusations in 2020
Its ridiculous the politics in baseball n how they choose whos a super star and who to hate. Bonds Clemons were 2 of 400-500 players on juice n never proven but they act like it was maybe 10 guys on the sauce. Look what Bauer is going through, proved innocents yet still not a league minimum offer. 😮
Not to mention the ridiculous umps union keeping Angel Hernandez employed. Or Bud Selig in the HoF when he turned a blind eye to obvious steroid usage bc Sosa n Big Mac were bringing baseball back from the ridiculous strike. Dont get me started on Pete Rose n Shoeless Joe- u could make an hour long vid of corrupt politics in mlb.
Bonds should be in the HOF. Plenty of steroid users already are.
Absolutely crazy that the Greatest baseball player and the Greatest Quarterback to every play their respective sports went to the same high school!
Put bonds in the fu kin hall of fame
It's wild to think how Bonds could have helped a handful of contending teams from 2008-2009. He could still hit and get on base, shame the league essentially colluded to get him away from the game.
Good videos, man. Keep 'em coming.
Thanks! Going to be posting a lot this season ❤️
@@BottomoftheInning I'm now a subscriber, so I'm looking forward to them.
There was this fuss about Barry Bond hitting home runs and this Giants game was on so I decided to watch what the fuss was about. Hitting a home run is not that easy, I was like he’s not hitting a home run. Dude hits a home run and I was like he just got lucky, if they pitched again to him I bet he’s not hitting a home run. They pitched again when he was up and another home run. I was like wow…this guy is no joke. I ended up following his plays and he’s the greatest hitter I have ever seen. You cannot pitch to this guy period. If you do it’s a super big risk.
Greg Maddux says Bonds was the easiest guy to pitch to, cuz you just walk him
Greatest player ever!
10:35 It's weird wording but you basically say people had seen 5 60+ home run seasons in 3 years. Weird wording aside, wasn't it 6 instances of 60+ home runs? Mcgwire 70, 65 (98-99), Sosa 66, 63, 64 (98,99,01) and Bonds 73 (01).
As someone else had pointed out, your infographic at 13:16 is wrong. His Batting average was .362, his On base Percentage was .609, his Slugging .812 for an OPS of 1.422, the highest in major league history. He had 232 walks, 120 of which were Intentional.
So many current players are on the sauce and people just look the other way, so because he was caught now none of his stats count ? That’s not right. He deserves to be in the Hall easily as well as Pete Rose, Clemens ect
It is not complicated. Dude was quite simply the best baseball player on the planet for most of his 22 year career. He never once popped on a piss test. His statistics and accomplishments will never be matched.
He was a Hall of Fame player in the 90s before the so call steroids…smh 😮
It's crazy the two best players in baseball history will never see themselves in the hall.
Give Bonds the hall already!❤
I saw him play in college and in SF (I also attended ASU). I've never seen a better hitter.
He never ever test positive for steroids,not once , that's the part no one's considered.
Barry was unapologetic and the old boys didn’t like it. We will never again see someone so intimidating at bat.
Barry Bonds was a hall of famer before steroid allegations. Plus if I remember correctly he never tested positive for steroids . Dude is the scariest hitter ever .
Saw Juan Soto hit a massive home run today, and reminded me, let's see Barry's bomb in the Bronx. The arch towards justice in fans are favorable to Bonds. His swing and plate presence are the best baseball has ever seen. The Hall means nothing if Bonds is not in it.
Soto is soooo good! Incredible plate discipline.
When it comes to the Hall of Fame, we should throw out every single statistic Barry Bonds gathered in the seasons after we suspect he started taking PEDs. That's the only way to make things fair.
And..... *checks notes*
He's worth 100 WAR as a result, and is a no doubt first ballot level player.
Key words- “we suspect”. The fact is we can’t say for sure when he started taking steroids, so we can’t say for sure which of his stats are legit and which are fraudulent.
@erikdayne5429 it's not that difficult to ballpark his stats sans PEDs. It's still amazing but not quite as amazing.
At that rate we need to throw out 60 WAR from Ortiz, leaving him with... 0
Look, they all cheat, it's just part of the sport. I don't believe in Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny anymore either and I'm still OK
Exactly. You know who else had 100 WAR in his first 15 seasons, and before he ever used PEDs?
Roger Clemens.
It's an absolute absurdity that both men aren't in the HOFer.
First ballot 💯 absolutely ridiculous he isn't in the hof
You can divide Barry Bonds career in 4 sections and any section is a hall of fame career! I still can't believe he pulled 100mph fast ball foul.
If Bonds never took steroids, he might not have beaten Hank Aaron’s record, but he would still be the greatest hitter of all time.
Without steroids, Barry Bonds was a mush bucket.
Would've been a hall of famer regardless. But I think the steroids prolonged his career after the elbow injury. He likely used the roids to recover from injury faster and then went overboard. I don't think he breaks the records without the roids but still 1st ballot HOF no question.
MLB, ESPN, and everyone who calls him a cheater does not understand baseball. Steroids help with muscle growth and recovery, but it doesn't make you a better hitter. To me, he is the baseball GOAT.
Best hitter of all time.
Best cheat of all time. Without roids he’s nowhere.
As a Padres fan he was a walking menace...
Barry is better than the Babe. Even prior to steroids.
Greatest hitter of all time it's ridiculous he isn't in the hall of fame..take his stats before he blew up he still makes the hall of fame easily
I don’t think I’ve ever seen a batter walked with bases loaded before or since Barry.
There’s been quite a few actually. Josh Hamilton and Corey Seager come to mind.
Also 6 years 43 million dollars... what a steal
Without Bonds the Baseball Hall of Fame is a joke.