Cris Carter explains why Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens do not belong in the HOF | FIRST THINGS FIRST
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- In his discussion with Nick Wright and Jenna Wolfe, Cris Carter reveals why Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens 'absolutely' do not belong in the Major League Baseball Hall of Fame.
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Who do you think belongs in the MLB Hall of Fame?
First Things First: Cris Carter and Nick Wright The fundamental problem with CC's argument is that it's based on emotion instead of logic. It's a fact that every sport is tainted and testing is always out paced by innovation. So, it's absurd to count out people who were caught because someone else outed them without acknowledging all of the people who made it through in secrecy.
First Things First: Cris Carter and Nick Wright Aye Nick you're right, we all make mistakes. You just made one daring to defend a big cheater. The learning lesson from this is "don't cheat or you will not be a HOF" period!
I agree with CC, but following his logic with regard to HGH and the football hall, should Peyton Manning be kept out then? The evidence that he used HGH is pretty irrefutable.
Barry Bonds. If he doesn't go in the National Baseball Hall Of Fame, I better not see Tom Shady in Pro Football Hall Of Fame
Cris is right.
Carter always end up talking bout himself
Andrew Bravo that’s what they pay him for
Evan Wilson they pay him to analyze sports not analyze his own career
Every single topic becomes about how great he was!
You can't understand, because you can't relate. Him talking about himself adds validation, and credibility to his statements. He's not the only one either.
EliTheRealist1 only someone insecure would have to continually talk about their accomplishments that are public records for that anyone can look up. They don’t add validation or credibility. It’s self serving. And it comes from a small place.
Their are plenty hall of famers in the media who don’t feel a need to constantly do it the way CC does.
CC uses this show as his own personal story time.
Aside from those next to him who are feigning interest, nobody really cares about Cris' fairy tales. He should give it up already.
Cc is a hof but he isn’t Barry bonds peds or not
But it's always the same story, about him sneaking ( trespassing) into the stadium to run the steps and the WHITE MAN chasing him out..
You guys sound bitter. I love when Cc talks about his journey. Dude didn’t have it easy. And he’s one of the few that really did change for the better. He’s one of the few you should feel grateful we get to hear about. What’s so bad about hearing him tell us his story? Quit hating.
And your point is?
Cheating has a huge affect on "our" game as well, Mr. Coke, I meant Carter. By his rationale, Brady and Belichick should never be voted into the NFL HOF.
Coke is not a performance enhancer. A weakened heart does not help. One year Barry Bonds looked like Deion Sanders in size, but when he got on the junk, he looked like the Hulk.
@@oskartgrouch8757" i disagree" coke, wheat and even a little alcohol can help some players example i was a great in sports but would freeze even trying out for a team unless players new me and put a good word about me i wouldn't have made numerous teams; that's because i was very shy ss a young teen that's why i think certain players use drugs to overcome being shy or nervous. Taking a wild guess anyone familar with Dwight Gooden and his drug uses i think was because of him being shy. i do think even coffee, chewing tabacco anything thst makes you play better is a enhancer.
Don’t forget the players in the fame that already took steroids
Coke
Had no idea Cris was a pro player. Cos he never mentions it...
Played for Eagles and Vikings
Xavier 76th Man sarcasm
tabitha quinn hahahah
😂😂😂right 😂😂
tabitha quinn He was Pretty Good Top 10 and Top 5 Stats of Receivers.
CC talks to Nick like a child sometimes...kind of condescending
Yeah and it’s getting pretty annoying
Would you rather it be the other way around like it used to be when Nick was in Chris seat?.......Nick is getting a taste of his own medicine.
Nick acts like a kid all the time.
So the HOFer is condescending to the numbers nerd that got picked last in his PE class? Gee I wonder why.
Nick is a special need kid so it is the only option.
Carter talked himself into a corner. You can’t only talk about the good without the bad in any situation. You can’t ignore history just cause you choose to.
Absolutely 💯
Ray Lewis......not convicted.......HOF
Chris Carter: It's about the kids...
Also CC: Forget about the kids!
He said lets forget the kids for second then gave examples that bonds clemens will wake up knowing they tainted the record books and that they will never be hall of famers
Wow! Just took his words out of context.
"The kids" stopped caring about baseball right around the time we took away the steroids.
He really wanted to f them kids.
😂
Cris acting like he's a saint!
Kyle Skerjanec Nope, he said he made mistakes but he didn't take roids
Bet money coke is a performance enhancer running for 60 mins
TonyKingOfTheOzone no it's not it is a deterrent
ive known military men in boot camps who were doing it, and staying up all night multiple days in a row. It does increase blood flow, alertness, and ability to stay away and not have to worry about hunger. Its a terrible drug, but that doesnt mean it doesnt have benefits in certain scenarios
He Was Addicted To Coke His First 3 Years In The League
Bonds and Clemens were first ballot HOF'ers before PED's. We're not talking Mark McGwire here. Pete Rose should be in too
I agree
Pete Rose should be in way before either of those clowns.
Mark was good too the media just didn't like him mark should be in the hof too
Amen!
OG Cutta McGuire would have been borderline
Had a low batting average
Sniffed Coke , but never touched steroids ...... lol ...... Pro football wouldn’t have a hall of fame if steroid users weren’t allowed
You beat me to it. If sniffing Coke and being an alcoholic was also a disqualifier , then a lot of other guys, like Cris, wouldn't be in the Hall of Fame either
bluefishbrad whole truth!!!!
Phillip Redden does sniffing coke and drinking alcohol help your performance on the field?
Lmaoo wow
Gabriel RAwls nope
Wow, I missed it.. But Chris Carter and Michael Irvin shouldn't talk about no mfing body.
They didn't take PEDs. If anything, the drugs they took could hurt performance, yet they are still in the HOF.
Robert Thomas that’s self destructive drug not a pen
So if you try to take drugs to be more successful, it’s wrong. If you try to take drugs because of peer pressure and you think it’s cool, that’s ok...? No it’s not. It’s drugs either way. Cc doesn’t have the high ground here
You don’t feel shut but energy whe. Your own come that’s an advantage to me
So True!
Message to the kids???? Chris Carter was a COKEHEAD.... WTF IS HE TALKING ABOUT
@66fredo99 la France Tell that to LT
@@josephpayton7522 TRUTH!
@66fredo99 la France he still did Coke bro..
Delilah Puddingstash
IS coke head
EXACTLY!
A former NFL player taking issue with steroids... now that's irony
Chris Carter is a cheese dingleberry. Nolan Ryan threw No Hitters after 40 - Ryan was not on steriods... But Clements had to be? Clements had a golden arm just like Ryan. All these "know it alls" .. that don't know much.
Esp after he had his own issues and demons, he didnt refuse The Hall though.
@@arcdestriumph586 Clemens was declining at the end of his Red Sox career, went to Toronto, started juicing and all of a sudden he was better than he was in his 20s.
@@doesnotexist305 That's what they said about Farve .. "declining lets bring in Rogers".. Farves 1st 2 yrs at Minn were some of the best football in his career. Nobody can refocus.. they "must be juicing" .. No sale on that logic. Nolan Ryan, Brett Farve can.. Clemmons can't.. again no sale.
@@doesnotexist305 I knew it! its all Canada's fault
My man Nick can never finish a point with CC interrupting
Nick clearly won this debate. Nick's points were objective and well-made and tried to see Cris' side, while Cris just appeared triggered for 8 minutes. If Cris was held out of the HOF because he failed those drug tests in Philly then we'd get a different point of view from him.
He always seems so annoyed with Nick ,his body language and facial expressions are really bad for tv
Eb 80sbaby I notice that too. It's gotten to a point where I can't watch this anymore. It seems like there's no chemistry unlike Skip and Shannon. Now those two have chemistry
When someone starts interrupting, they're losing...
Sult bruh, that stuff is sooo annoying
I thought this video was going to be about Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens, but instead, I got Cris Carter's autobiography
Cris believed in doing coke not steroids . Cuz u didn't do steroids don't make u righteous . U did illegal drugs and in the hall what are u teaching kids. U made it to the hall being a coke head and abusing alcohol
nicholas Akubariki And to always have a fall guy! Great guy CC is!
nicholas Akubariki I got clean when he went to Minnesota. Then he became a hof.
I love Cris Carter, he's so humble and he's never made a mistake his entire life. Such a role model.
Lol
@@k2hilliard Wasn't guy a cokehead? I guess no mistake there
@@DGT416 yeah i think he was being sarcastic
@@JourdanChaney LT, too. If the HOF is about character like CC says. He himself was an alcoholic and drug addict (recovered though). So don't talk character.
Gamblers in the NFL HOF. Don't talk character. KNOWN CHEATERS in the NFL. Don't talk character, CC. Brady and Belichick are going. Don't talk character. Tell the kids THAT.
@@floydjr1478 you for one guy of them all OJ Simpson
Please Chris, so now you’re perfect!
You clearly only heard what you wanted.... Try again 😂
He thinks so
Strawman argument is strawman.
CC no opinions matter but mine and i only want to talk about myself and what i think is right.
Cris was a great players, I like him a lot, but he's acting for the camera. Here's the same person who told a room full of NFL rookies to have a a fall guy in case they got into trouble with the law. Same person let go from the Eagles because he had an illegal drug problem. This new Cris on FS1 has forgotten about the old Cris.
Mac Jones He admitted that he used drugs, and last time I checked coke does not enhance your performance!
@@coach9410 idk I'm going to have to disagree with you. I had teammates in HS and college who did Coke(before/during games) and I would have to say on a game by game basis it did give them the edge on a lot of other players who didn't use it. Made them more aware, gave them more energy and made them fearless.
@@coach9410 Try some coke and go play whatever sport you like and come back and edit your comment. "cOkE dOeSn'T eNhAnCe PeRfOrMaNce.
1ER EYE GIL u idiot. It can!!!
@@andrewb8235 CC is a hypocrite. We have all made mistakes. CC can't hold Barry's jock strap shame on CC for his self righteous bs.
Mr. Carter, AMEN brother. YOU ARE EXACTLY CORRECT. GOD BLESS YOU FOR KEEPING YOUR STANDARDS HIGH.
What if they banned Coke users Chris???
But he admitted which I respect and revamped his life afterwards!! And coke ain’t a PED!!
@@coach9410 Tell that to Lonnie Smith.
@@NNN_613 Lonnie Smith is the epitome of coke not being a PED. He isn't in the Hall of Fame, and if he could have run the bases effectively, the Braves might have won the 1991 world series.
Cris was ruled ineligible and let his teammates down because he was greedy and signed with a agent. Also, he was caught using drugs. STOP BEING A HYPOCRITE 🔥
@@djpro1782 it's a stupid argument. CC had a drug problem, he was on the gas.
If you do coke you shouldnt be in the hall either. What is that teaching kids. CC just talks at people, not to them.
Well then we would have to say all drugs users are out and that would mean no HOF at all lol
+MrMaacin05 LMAO
Great point.
gjjackso If you’re a parent and you let professional athletes raise your kids you failed as a parent
EXACTLY
Chris absolutely took this topic personally and it taints his opinion.
We talking about CC or Bonds?? Lol
mixsignal91 haha, for reals
Exactly. He spent over half of the segment talking about himself
polotrey well he knows nothing about baseball tbh
Chris Carter always hating and stays telling his life story every week
you need more downvotes hero.
Yeah. And he bullies Nick all the time.
True. 100 thumbs up on that!
Carter isn’t hating. He is telling the truth.
LOL hilarious comment.
Barry is a better player then cris is a player hands down. 10FoLD !
even chris would admit that, but that besides the point
And vice versa.... I bet money cc would embarrass Bonds on a football field so bad he would relapse to PED's all over again. 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂
Doesn't take away Bonds is still a cheater
CC is in the hall and Bonds aint, that's the bottom line.
CC be up there acting holier than thou
Michael Jokedan Not My Goat agreed. Sad to c how hypocritical he is.
He a reformed coke head
Michael Jokedan Not My Goat spoken like a guy who probably underachieved in life or sports
Coke...not steroids 🤷🏾♂️
coke is a PED, MFs can't feel pain
CC jealous Bonds ain’t give him an autograph 20+ years ago
the autograph isnt worth much lol
Bonds Gave Me Multiple Autographs And Offered Useful Hitting Advice
Yea, no football hall of famers used HGH. Keep telling yourself that CC. Hahaha
NFL is the most tainted HOF in my honest opinion, those guys juice more than any other sport.
17 Brandiff
Yeah cuz you run tests on them huh?
Chris Lang Take a look at the NFL'S shaky drug test policy and it's always been that way.
Chris Lang if you ever played football you would know that.
Chris Lang dude it's well documented what those guys did in the 80s how old are you 12
Pretty much every single relevant pro sport on planet earth is laced with PEDs. NFL is no different.
What does being black have to do with getting kicked out of somewhere you just said you BROKE INTO!
Justin Childers ikr! That was unnecessary. Plus he had his share of illegal usage.
Carter is a Racist P.O.S.
It was a different time when cc was growing up it is thing called people being racist
Oh so now you can just break in. It was all just racism. Racism didn't hold him back did it? Because it is overblown.
Just a way for a grown man to feel sorry for himself. Meany white man doing his job!
Bonds did it cause guys were getting more recognition than he was and he knew what they were doing so he showed what a true beast can do on performance enhancers and he became a video game HE STILL DESERVES IT
That Andy Van Slyke stuff set him off.
When did he test positive
ramel parks EXACTLY🙌🏻🙌🏻
@@Splooje lmaoooo you idiots seriously think bonds didn't use steroids?? 😂
GENESIS oh he absolutely did, there's no question, but 1. He was a hall of famer before the steroids, 2. He never technically tested positive, and 3. It wasn't expressly forbidden when he took them
“Let me tell you the best teaching moment...when them fools woke up and they weren’t in the Hall.”
That had me rollin lol
But do you think he would have said it if the voters had still not voted HIM into the Hall?
@Car Ram-Rod Absolutely brilliant response. What can I possibly say in response to such convincing rhetoric? Why don't you go over and sit at the kids table and let the grown-ups discuss these matters?
The Cris Carter personal football saga complete with Celine Dion music.
Now that you mentioned it, I can actually play Celine Dion's "Power of the Dream" right now. I also can hear the smile up in your face.
why would all those sports writers vote for Bonds for MVP 7 times, but wont vote for him for the Hall of Fame,
Lol Cris Carter does not respect nick wright. You can tell by the way he talks to him
Chris never took any illegal substances right?
alec ordway coke lots of coke
Elmonte Carlo so much coke he could have been featured in a coke commercial as the can of coke.
Who cares barry bonds is legend the goat
Ultimate Paine 😂
kupah 👍
Barry Bonds Is the Greatest Baseball Player we have ever seen.
because of steroids
Facts!
Facts
Absolute truth
I think ken Griffey was better
They are both right in there own ways :/ that's awkward
Ethan Spraggins that’s usually the case though with two alternate viewpoints...
I didn't know Tom Green did a sports show.
he do look like tom green
Ken Griffey Jr. is the GOAT!!! 💯 SWEETEST SWING in the history of the game too!!
Absolutely! You could tell later in his career that wasn't using PED's.
Yea Griffey Top 5 in my opinion but I'll take skinny or Fat head Barry anyday💯
@@haneefahson973 a true great like Curt Schilling said he wants out if Bonds or Clemens ever got in.....Pete Rose ain't in, so why should these clowns get in?
If he stayed healthy
Michael Tabor He would have if he juiced like Bonds
It’s impossible to tell the history of baseball without Barry Bonds
Wasn’t like Barry bonds took steroids to keep his job! He was already in the Hall of Fame. But then he wanted to take the most important records in baseball, single-season home run record an all-time home run record.
Soon as he did that he forfeited the right to go to the hall of fame!
Thank God they got it right!
@@-C.S.R they got it wrong. Like this person said YOU CANT TELL THE HISTORY OF BASEBALL WITHOUT BARRY BONDS.
Cant tell the history of baseball without the 1919 black sox either and career .356 hitter Shoeless Joe still aint in the Hall.
Pete Rose holds the all time hit record, he is also not in the hall.
The baseball Hall of Fame isnt a history museum, its about the individual players, and what they meant to the game.
Shoeless Joe, Pete Rose, and Barry Bonds tarnished the game's reputation, and their actions, if repeated could fundamentally ruin the game forever. There needs to be examples set as to what not to do as a player so people arent willing to do the same things.
@@goofy_xf6223 or Roger the Rocket 🚀 Clemens!!!! 😰😓🤢🤮🤡🤧😥😮💨🤖🥺😩😓
So explain why Bud Selig is in the hall of fame , he ignored PEDs and even encouraged McGuire ,Sosa and Bonds all for the mighty dollar bill
I didn't know Nick knew the exact time when Bonds was doing steroids when Barroid has never admitted to being a cheater.
It's hard to say for sure but over 40% of his career homers came after he turned 35.
@@redpillfreedom6692 Doesnt mean he wasn't taking em before. He may have just started doing more.
There's a bunch of steriod users already in the baseball HOF.
Thank you! They try to act like it's no steroids users in the HOF. Some players got away with not being caught or making these steroids undetectable.
Yep, how does a 44 year old throw 95 and a no hitter? I suspect he had help.
@@ThekiBoran That's true. I say the same thing about other athletes. Like Lebron still doing windmills in his 18 season🤣😂🤣 They say he spends millions of dollars on his body. I bet he dose.lol
Boxcar Ent. No nobody says anything until something happens. Nobody said anything about berry bonds until he broke the home run record.
jeff champion LeBron is different though. He has been the same build/size since hes been in the league. He didn’t just jump up 30 pounds in a season like the steroid users did
Chris is sitting on a high porch! I feel that why about drug addicts. CHRIS 🤷🏽♂️
I feel the same way about illiteracy
See Chris Carter is a guy that won't let anyone else speak and have the opinion he's always cutting in on on on his counterpart there as if he knows it all and go sit down and talk to Barry Bonds somewhere and stop all your foolishness all the time
Cris Carter you are wrong here. Barry leveled the playing field.
Barry Bonds showed them how it's done! Facts
Barry Bonds cheated, pure and simple... all his life he will be a cheater. His records are bogus and so is he!
I actually would watch this show more if Cris wasn't on it.
Me too
Or nick lol actually let’s just cancel this beat recycled tv show
I'd probably watch it more if it was just Jenna.
Bed time sport stories teddy bear not included
Same here. Nick is an idiot.
"What about the kids Nick? What do we teach them?"
*Nick Wrong makes a good point*
"You know what Nick? Forget the kids"
Lmao my boy Nick cant catch a break.
A HOF without Bonds is not a HOF
So it's about the kids, then when CC hears about the teaching moment, forget the kids? Bad argument.
Why cris carter always talking about his short comings growing up before he gets to the point
to prove he was a screwup at one point before he turned his life around
Chris Carter ATE UP the male interviewer in this post. Chris Carter showed me he is a true professional athlete who lived by the highest standards. The female interviewer didn't even bother to get involved in this debate, didn't say a word. She knew Carter was shredding her fellow interviewer in this debate & she wanted no part getting into it with Carter. Carter spoke the TRUTH. Show Carter RESPECT for being the PROFESSIONAL ATHLETE we pray our children's aspire to be. Amen, Chris Carter. You're a BADASS!
He was coke head I would not want my son looking up cris carter😂🤦🏾♂️
I agree with nick for the first time
What has the world come to?
You gotta have a fall guy lol 😂
CC, while I applaud your hard work, the notion that hard work alone is sufficient to achieve sporting greatness is a fallacy. Plenty of people work tirelessly but simply do not have the body for athletic greatness.
Wrong .small guys in every major league succeeding through hard work. I know security guards more athletic than tj McConnell.
well then that is the whole point. If your not great you shouldn't play on that level.
So that justifies cheating. Good argument, cheater.
8:54 CC: Let me tell you the best teaching moment, when those fools woke up this morning and dey wasn't in the hall, OK. LOL. Too funny, but come on Chris, I mean Jerry Rice used stick'em. That's a huge advantage as well. Your (NFL) hall of fame took forever to put Charles Haley in who had 5 rings. It can't figure out if TO is a HOF. Oh and by the way it's diluted with steroid users. And to be honest CC is talking like he never took any kind of drugs. Like he's holier than thou are.
Blue&Orange drugs meaning? If it’s not a performance enhancer, it’s not relevant
The baseball hall of fame is a joke anyway. Look at how they did Pete Rose. Baseball has always been dirty.
Cris Carter seems very self righteous!
he do, his perspective is one sided!!!
I notice Chris Carter DID NOT want to talk about cheating because of Tom Brady. In sports, Steroids are illegal because they're cheating Chris!
That's what I always say. Before the steroids Barry was already an all time great. He just wanted to extend his career. Erase the steroid era statistics, he can still stand on all time great numbers. Put Barry in the HALL.
Exactly he was 9 years deep with HOF numbers already..
@GROUCHY SMURF I agree wit u
@@cdubb310 agreed
Doesn’t matter. He doesn’t get in for being a cheater. HOF is not for cheaters.
Well, Rose and Shoeless Joe already put up the numbers before they got mixed up in gambling.
This guy complained about Barry in the hall cause he cheated. WHEN EVERYONE IN THAT TIME DID AND THERE ARE PEOPLE IN THE HALL THAT CHEATED.
Love how Nick said that he isn't even going to mention Pete Rose
they never proved Barry Bonds took drugs. he passed all test
True ,but he had a ton of inconclusive test along with his startling new size. Nobody is still growing at that age lol.
So did Lance Armstrong.
Bonds was HOF BEFORE the home run record.
Only Pittsburgh pirates stats should be enough
This guy always tells a story about himself first before he starts speaking on the topic.
I tried watching this show and I got tired of it. So him being a drug addict is a great example for the FOH. Cris Carter is a hypocrite. By his own standards he setting up a bad example for kids being in the FOH.
Baseball was saved in 98 by 2 guys who were the biggest steroid users.
Way more than that were using thru out history .. Baseball didn't have rules till the 90s
To be fair, Bonds, Clemens, McGwire, etc are all recognized in the Hall for their achievements. They have the bonds 756 ball, McGwires 62nd, etc on display. So you still learn about them at the Hall.
The plaques are what separates "Hall of Famers".
Chris-“it’s all about the message to the kids what does this message say.
Also Chris 2 minutes later- “nah forget the kids”
Cc needs to shut up and let Nick finish a point for once
I seriously don't think I could disagree with Cris any more than I do. My kids don't know Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens used steroids, and honestly they aren't walking through the hall of fame idolizing those guys. By the time these kids realize the truth about some of these guys they're old enough to understand it and deal with it. Cris is acting like a kid in 2022 is gonna go visit the hall of fame with his dad and look up and see Barry bonds and think "hey I know barry used steroids and he made it, so I guess I can use them too." This is beyond ridiculous
I agree with some of the points they're both making, but with the logic CC is using about performance enhancers, then anyone known to have cheated should be removed from the Hall of Fame. If you feel that they don't deserve to be in based on the merits of their decisions then you should remove anyone whose been known to have utilized that advantage.
CC will always be a great receiver but the point should be about professional debate and not always demeaning Nick Wright, even though sometimes he asks for it with his logic at points.
No they should learn from the mistakes. Chris Carter is making the most sense about all this. Bond's and Clemens were already great player's so it is even more dumb that they used ped's. Because they didn't need them, but guess what they want the fame and money. They took it..
If Pete rose isn't getting in then nether should bonds and Clemens
Facts
All should be in It’s a joke!
Peach!!!
When did Barry Bonds ever test positive? When did he confess to using PEDs?
#1 It was never proven that Bonds used steroids. There are guys in the HoF that had as much evidence against them but they got in.
#2 Bonds is the one and only guy with 500 home runs and 500 steals, no one else in the history of baseball even has 400 & 400. This stat alone should of made him a first ballot hall of famer.
#3 Bonds won 8 Gold Gloves, 12 Silver Slugger and was an All-Star 14 times.
Quite frankly Bonds is easily one of the top 10 , if not top 5, greatest players of all time! It's absolutely ridiculous that he isn't in yet. (Also Rose should be in the HoF as well, the argument against him is idiotic, oh no he bet money on his own team to win)
Except it is basically proven. I mean look at him 98, 99, 01, it’s pretty obvious he roided. Sure he was good before roids he ruined his chances when he did, same with McGwire,Sosa, etc.
@@tryhardhd1225 Unproven is unproven.
However there are guys who were named in the balco report who have made the HoF.
It's also noteworthy that Hank Aaron admitted to using amphetamines so it's silly to drag Bonds.
The Arisen that’s like saying global warming is technically unproven even tho all signs point to it being a thing
Bonds admitted to using -- just unknowingly. XD
I’m on Nick Wright’s side on thing one, let us figure out how WE teach our kids, not you.
Come on. I think if there's anything we glean from this discussion it's that if we really want to educate our children we should do so by taking them to professional sports Halls of Fame. 🤣
alec ordway that’s the morality of this entire country! Cheat to get ahead!
@@flyskykings1113 What I usually find is that people who make statements like that are examples of what they're speaking.
He’s missing the point that Barry Bonds was already a hall of famer before PEDs!!!
CC is spot-on!
“The best teaching moment is when those fools (Bonds and Clemmons) woke up this morning and they weren’t in the Hall of Fame and were just like regular citizens.”
Yep!!!
A lot of people tend to forget, there was a time when steroids in professional baseball was not illegal. Barry Bonds, Mark Maguire, and Sammy Sosa looked up, and seen other guys taking it, and winning awards, World series, golden gloves, and ect, and said why not. You can only blame these guys so much, but Major league baseball should shoulder most of the blame. Only when it became mainstream knowledge that steroids was not illegal did they ban it. By then these guys had already hit 50, 60, and 70 homeruns. At one time to hit 40 plus homeruns guaranteed you an all-star spot. But when the average guys starting hitting 50 plus, ticket sales sky rocketed! There was a player that admitted steroid use in an interview with ESPN, and he won a golden glove, had the most homeruns in the NL, was the NL MVP! How could these players compete? Now we vilify these players, and that guy's in Canton now. With no asterisk, and was a 1st ballot Hall of Famer! You can't blame the players, MLB is the blame, and they took the money, and then pointed the fingers. Just my 2 cents...
To add to that the MLB was losing interest from fans. Then the players from the steroid era brought interest back to the game only for the league to turn their back on them after they made the money.
It's a good argument. If they let the cheaters play, then is it cheating?
@@nicholasschroeder3678 they let a few of the cheaters play, and get away with it. It’s when everyone started cheating, that’s when they said, “Ok this is getting out of hand.”
@@TheAmccoy2121 I think Sosa with the pumpkin head was the turning point. He was so obviously a lab creation. I think the other factor was the destruction of tradition.
@@nicholasschroeder3678 Mark McGwire head was just as huge, maybe even bigger!
Thank you all 3 analysts for respectful discussion
I would've chosen Barry Bonds over Roger Clemens
Didn’t CC dance with coke?
You were saying? About the kids...?
You cheat you lose. HOF is for champions, not enhanced champions.
I have been watching baseball for 40 years
I have not problem with Bonds and Clemens getting in, if they are voted in by the committee.
If the voters don't put them in, I'm good with that too. If they get in, their plaque should note if they were suspended fro PEDs. That's totally fine with me because they were Hall of Fame players before that
The Future Is Here what about Pete Rose then? If Rose doesn’t get in NO WAY should Bonds and Clemens
The committee is way to hypocritical. They say yes to David Ortiz and he admitted to steroids. But Bonds and others told No.
Baseball never been the same after Berry left.
facts
Little does Chris know, there are already steroid users in the HOF.....
Cris Carter IS RIGHT!!! Steroids have NO PLACE in sports!! It's simply UNFAIR!!! If you don't have the good genes or TALENT to play sports, maybe you should think about a different carreer!!!
Its fair if everyone else was on steroids
Interesting how CCs opinion of the Pro Football Hall of Fame has become so incredibly positive when compared to how he used to speak of it in all of those years before he became a member.
Just think of how much different this entire rant would have been if he was still not a member.
And it's absolutely adorable how he gives it some sort of exalted ethical status compared to the other Halls of Fame.
Why does he have to bring up the fact that the guy kicking him out was a "very upset white man" kicking out a "black kid"? Lol, he literally admits to breaking in to the stadium, yet paints himself as a victim because of the color of his skin. If you actually think about what he said, it's pretty pathetic. That same upset white man, would have chased a white kid out as well. You literally weren't supposed to be there.
AND BB holds the record for most international walks. Imagine if they pitched to him half of those intentional walks...
I don’t care if he never gets in the hall we know he bonds was the best ever period
lets have the debate! with the PED's he was a HOF'er but if he were in the AL he would NOT have been in the top 3 MVP most years. He played in the NL which was a poor second to the AL in the era. Better pitchers and teams.
Also, Roger Clemens was accused by an unreliable/dishonest person, sued him in federal court and won the case. Yet, Roger doesn’t get in.
This is why Ken Griffy jr. is the 🐐🐐
Yes!
The sweetest swing God could have made was given to ken Griffey jr. Love watching his highlights.
Jimmy Edmonds was better defender in CF but Griffey jr was the best player all round of the steroid era.
The purest in mlb what we had to look for along with arod later but arod. i dont understand just like barry an clemens alot of these guys really
griffy was not in bonds class
Everybody can clearly tell the best basketball player was clearly on something, but no one is going to talk about that!
If you're talking about LeBron you're idiotic. No way he's still playing at this level if he was taking steroids.
During the steroid era,if you didn't use steroids, you didn't make it. Im sure the average person would just throw away their careers and tens of millions of dollars just to keep their values 🙄
Lmfao, C'mon CC. We all know guys are using in the NFL.
then by god get pete rose in now
Wow! hypocrisy is so ugly. A NFL player who used and abused illegal drugs during his career and was inducted into the pro football hall of fame is saying a MLB player who used and abused illegal drugs shouldn't be inducted into the pro baseball hall of fame. Since Chris Carter brought up the Good Lord a couple of times I would think that he knows that the Good Lord said "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone"