Kitchenaid KSM5 service and maintenance
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- Опубліковано 14 вер 2018
- This KA had an issue with the worm drive gear, and when it arrived, the worn brushes were not making contact with the armature. These parts were all replaced, and the machine cleaned and lubed up, now it is a good runner once again!
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Much thanks. Between this video and another explaining the brushes (for when I inevitably put them in wrong and the machine wouldn't start after putting it together), I successfully cleaned and replaced the worm gear assembly and regreased my KSM5. It's a hand me down from mom, prolly 25 +years old. I don't know if they're the same quality today, but man, that's longevity.
Hello Rick, God to see you're doing so well. Maybe it's time to bring in an intern to help. Just a thought. Well after much much groveling and begging my wife I have finally wore her down and I am now looking to purchace a Hobart A 200. I love the smaller models but just not enough umph to do what we need. For what the boat ancher 6 qt. kitchen aid and all it's attachments cost I can get a good used A 200 with three standard atachments plus the pelican head. One guy even has one with a meatgrinder for a couple of bucks more, that's the one I'm eyeballing right now. We still enjoy your videos you make them so easy to watch. The fast forward with sound really cracks us up. I would still like to send you the one mixer for clean and lube, but it can wait on it's shelf till you have more time. Keep going man as you can see your tallents are needed by many. Hope your wife is doing well. We'll check back for a available time slot. (I probabley should not drink and message, oh well) Mike and Bronwynn
Hey buddy, thanks!! I think once I get caught up, it will go pretty smoothly, just seemed to be a bunch came in all at once there!
Sometimes you just got to have the power you need instead of trying to get by I guess, the bigger machines certainly do pack a lot more power. Sounds like you found a pretty good deal too!
I will still be putting out videos as well, as I get caught up. Seems I am in the middle of a few that need parts, etc so some are 95% finished and getting put on a shelf till a part comes in, and holding up the video upload lol.
Hope all is well with you guys, thanks again!!
I've hit a wall on fixing my wife's Hobart Kitchen Aid K5-A and I thought with your experience you might be able to answer a couple of questions. The mixer has no serial or model numbers on it except that it's a K5-A by Hobart. It was purchased in 1974 by my wife. It was diagnosed by an electric motor shop as having a bad armature with a dead spot on the windings. It would run briefly then not run. I looked up parts on the internet and found an armature that was supposed to work. When it arrived it looked very similar with the exception of the fan. The new one was a multi-bladed fan that was slightly wider and in a slightly different location on the armature shaft. It appeared to fit until I attempted to fit the baffle plate. The fan stopped the plate from going all the way onto the shaft and because of that the rear bearing holder wouldn't seat correctly either. On close inspection, I could see the type of fan and it's location was the issue. It appears this armature is for perhaps a K5SS with the solid state internals. Every supplier that shows they sell these armatures have the ones with the different fan, not like the flat one on my mixer.
After all that, my question: I've seen there is a picture of a different rear bearing holder on some sites that is supposed to fit these older mixers but the picture shows a more open, slightly cup shaped bearing holder that is different than mine. I'm wondering if this would work to provide the extra clearance for the bigger, thicker fan. If not I've got an un-fixable mixer for lack of a part. I wonder if any of your viewers have any ideas?
You do great videos. I was changing the speed control plate and knocked that internal spring out of place. Any easy way to put it back?
Hi Rick, great video ! I do have one thing to comment about, I also collect sewing machines and I learned long ago to never use "3 in 1 oil" it is a combination of three oils and two of the oils are for protection and as they dry or oxidize, they harden to form a protective layer, it works well for guns and things like that. The oil I used to use on was Zoom spout and it worked fine and did not harden, I found I needed to oil machines about every six months or so. I found something much better " Liquid Bearings 100% synthetic lubricant " this can be purchased on e-bay and I think Amazon, This oil is made with oil molecules all the same size and it works so well and does not dry out, I find I can now go for two years between oiling on my machines and it seems they work smother as well. I have used this as my go to oil for about six years now and would be lost without it. Another great thing about this oil is it has stainless steel needle spouts that come with it you can chose the length or several lengths and be very precise with the amount, on things like clocks. Best to you, Brett
Hi Brett! Thanks for the tip on the synthetic oil, the technology in lubricants has really evolved! That sounds like it would be perfect for mixers as well, since most do not get the periodic oiling they require. Im not sure what the protective layer in the 3 in 1 consists of, but that would probably be beneficial to the mixers too considering the environments some are used and stored in. I may look into that oil for my sewing machine as well, since I don't use it a lot, and when I got it and oiled it, it looked like the places that get oil were a bit gummy so I had to try to clean them as best as I could. It also needs to go in for service at some point for adjustments, which I know nothing about.
Thanks!
Hi Rick, The gummy condition you found in your sewing machine is the result of 3 in 1 oil being used in it, either use the synthetic oil or a quality sewing machine oil, with repeated use the new oil will help to wash out the old gummy stuff. You are a great one for maintenance on things and sewing machine service is usually just cleaning and oiling, so if your machine is sewing good just use it, and play with the thread tension to learn what is right, the bobbin tension is pre-set and very rarely needs any attention so just note the tension number or letter you start with and go one number up or down to see what is happening with you stitch, you want your threads to meet in the middle of you fabric seam. be noting your original setting you can always go back to it. For oiling, the place to oil the most is the bobbin race area around the bobbin holder, a drop in this are every few days of sewing is good if you use it a lot. The thing you found with the gumming up is what happens with 3 in 1 oil, it clogs up the holes in bronze bushings and clogs up any felts or wicks meant to feed oil into the bearings. Best to you Rick, Brett
Thanks Brett! I will get some proper oil for my sewing machine before I use it next. I think I have figured out the tension thing, I noticed I did have to change it some when sewing thicker materials, and I just practiced on scraps for quite a while to figure it out. I have wanted to do a lot more sewing but just haven't had the time, so I will take the machine to get checked and serviced in the meantime, I think some curtains will be my next project :)
Hi nice video, can you tell me where to find the part you’ve just changed? Thanks
Hi, I removed the motor brush on the left while the machine was plug in, and accidentally touching the frame on the way out, it gave a spark, and machine is no longer running. Did I short the motor or the circuit board? It the KSM150 artisan 5 quarts model. Thank you.
Looks and sounds great!
Another nice video. Thanks for the work! I was hoping you might be willing to share where you get your parts from. I an getting ready to fix my daughters K5A and cant seem to find a good source for parts. Any help would be greatly appricated.
Thanks, would be happy to! I order most of my KA parts from here, you can search by model # . They do not have the electrical parts for the pre solid state machines, those pretty much need to come from donor machines. Hope this helps!!
I haven't yet seen a mention in your videos or comments: are you using food safe grease, like Chevron FM CSC ep 2 or equivalent?
Thanks.
How would you change the beater height? I got one second hand but can't for the life of me figure it out. It doesn't have the 2 screw options you see on the newer ones. Any advice would be appreciated.
Sure, this is 5yrs later, but…. Is there a bowl height adjustment on this KSM5 ? Mine fails the dime test…
Awesome job! I need your help! My attachment is about an 1-1/2 inches away from the bottom of the bowl. I was given this KS55 but can’t seem to find any video on how to adjust the clearance. I tried the nut on the bottom of the access hole but nothing. Suggestions??
This comment is old so you may have already figured this out, but that sounds like your bowl is not lifted. Turn the metal crank on the right side 180 degrees counter clockwise to lift the bowl up.
Great video! I just received a K5SS and will be doing a restoration soon. May I know what type of grease are you using?
He used the red and tacky
Awesome video. I’m watching because the agitator shaft (shaft that extends into the bowl and connects to attachments) on my K5SS broke at the tip. After removing the planetary I could not figure out how to separate the shaft from the gear / rest of planetary. Do you have any insight or help? The replacement shaft is sold so I assume it is possible. Thanks for the great videos @Vintage Mixers and More
There's a slip ring around the shaft. It's a ring with a little hole on each side. It's a PITA to remove and put back on, fyi. I used a flat head screwdriver to get under the slip ring and pry it off. There are pliers made for slip rings, but you can manage without them.
Other videos he has probably show this process of taking off the slip ring, I watched his others and learned.
Hi,
How would I determine if the armature is damaged? When I start the mixer, I get a grinding noise with a burning smell. I changed the grease and checked the gears in the mixer.
You would have to test it with a multimeter to determine if it is bad. Worn brushes and a worn speed control plate could also cause it to run rough which would be noisy as well. There is also a bearing on the front of the armature, I have never seen one fail, but if it did it could make a lot of noise and the drag could heat up the motor causing it to smell hot. Just a few things I can think of off the top of my head.
good video,you should use food grade grease and oil though .
Can you take the bowl arm off without disassembling the whole machine? I got a massive spill behind it and I'd really like to clean it up nicely
Just out of curoisity, what does a typical service cost? Buying a bunch of new parts for my mixer, but would good know in case I can't get it back together =P.
Im not sure what others charge, I no longer do this so Im not sure the going rate for others.
Hello Rick, Very informative videos! I have a kitchen aid ksm5, Can't find any information on the planetary screws, not made any more, all I got is #4160595, special screws. Would you happen to know the dimensions of this screw? Thank you..
Hi! I assume you are referring to the 5 screws that go around the planetary assembly holding the upper and lower half together? I can only find the part # as well, 103994 , and no one has any left in stock unfortunately. Ebay turned up some torx head screws from the UK. As far as size, Im really not sure, I dont have any on hand to check either, and none of the parts places show dimensions or thread size.
@@vintagemixersandmore1666 Yes, that's what I was referring too.
Thank you for your time, I'll keep checking, or I'll find something that works..
Appreciate your help ..Art
I am working on a professional 5 that had the same problem.
What type of grease do you use for the gears
Hello sir I just picked up pro 500 for wife xmas gift litely use. It was leaking oil from sides when it tipped on it side in car. So what is best place to get parts price and quality wise. Also the grease you use is it food grade grease? Is one brand better than another? Thanks for your time.
I think you can order parts for that model from anywhere that sells kitchenaid parts, like partselect.com . I did not use the food grade grease for that very reason, it breaks down and leaks everywhere, I used a lithium based grease. I think there is a silicon based food grade grease, I dont recall the name, someone else had told me about it, but if you look up food grade grease you may find it.
I have this same mixer and I took it apart and all the gears on mine appear to be metal??? Are the older plastic gears a darker plastic of some sort??? Thanks! (If so I will be switching them to metal)
The older gears were a fiber gear, very strong. These only had one non metal gear, it is the worm gear that is replacable, although I have heard some of the model k4's had a metal worm gear.
Vintage Mixers and More thanks for responding! That makes sense! 👍🏾
Hi Rick, nice video. I’m concerned by the end result is so loud & noisy almost like it rattles at times instead of humming or even purrs. What gives?
In every video it seems they sound quite loud and noisy, but they do not sound that way as I hear them. I think it is the way I record, I definitely do not have a professional setup at all. I think most viewers have gotten used to it by now.
I just rewatched the video, yea sorry that was one of my worst setups. I record with a galaxy phone it was attached to a telescoping arm attached directly to the counter, you can see it vibrate when the machine runs. It does sound terrible in the video, I think its all the vibration transferring directly to the recording. I always thought one day I would have a decent camera and mic but it never seemed to happen.
Those KSM5s have always growled and rattled. They were quite noisy compared to, for example, the Pro-Line 7 series they have today. I had one from 1996, and it was a Hobart design just like the K5SS. Used it for 7 years to make ordinary bread, cookies, or anything that fancied me. It finally started leaking around the ring over the planetary gear, and I paid $80.00 to fix that before giving it to my biological mother. That mixer was so shot, it would smell like the old Sunbeam Mixmasters while it was in operation. Last I remember, she was using it as a decoration and still uses a wooden spoon. My 4 year old Commercial 8 will run circles around that old KSM5, and that 4 year old machine is still weak compared to my 18 year old Berkel PM-10!
Yeah, I figured your setup was connected to the bench when you started pounding on that pin. Felt like I was on a roller coaster, lol! Nice video!
Hi Rick,
Once again a terrific video. :)
Maybe somebody already has asked you about it but can you say what exact grease you use in your restorations? I've seen that one of them is Lucas Oil Red N Tacky in spray, but what about the one that is the blue dispenser? Thanks for your response.
Nevermind mate: I've found it in one of your other videos: it's Red N Tacky #2 :)
Keep doin' your awesome work.
Regards.
@@jlbernaldez Thanks! Ah ok, yea I couldnt find it in the can or tube that time, so I grabbed it in the spray can. It is really only good in the spray can for getting into tight spaces, otherwise you have to use a lot since it comes out with more propellant than grease!
@@vintagemixersandmore1666 Yeap, I've seen that as well: depending on how tight the space is you use spray or big dispenser. The good thing is that I've been able to find that exact grease in my country (not US) so your videos and guide have been really helpful ;)
Thanks mate.
Take care.
@@jlbernaldez You too!
Re: After repair, mixer works, but stops turning under load
A couple viewers should find this info useful.
I replaced the worm gear on the one I'm repairing; the mixer had been well used over the years. But it stopped turning under load: the pinion turns, but the center gear stops. After much pondering, it occurred to me to look very closely at the pinion gear. Aha! The teeth at the bottom of the gear look just like the teeth on the center gear: each tooth has nice 'shoulders' on each face of the tooth. But on the top of the pinion gear, the shoulders on the 'load' side of the teeth are worn off. (The tops of the teeth on the center gear, in my case, look OK, but I haven't checked the bottom of those teeth.) Then I thought to check the bearings. And yes, there is play in the lower bearing (maybe 1/32 inch when inserted fully into the bearing); the top bearing has a little play. This wear combines to make the pinion no longer connect properly with the center gear under load.
The easiest solution is to buy a complete worm/pinion assembly. And if the teeth on the center gear are worn, buy one of them, too. If the case gasket is iffy, get that as well. (All three about US$71 at partsdr.com, with ground shipping, but pre-tax, as of 7/22. You get the gasket, the worm/pinion assembly, center gear and attachment bevel gear.) For that price, I'll just buy all three and be done. Brushes look good; don't need them.
Hi Rick - I need to replace the worm gear on our Kitchenaid KS5M ProLine mixer just as you did in this video. The old gear was metal and I see you were able to replace the metal worm gear on the mixer in your video with another metal worm gear. All I can find to replace it with are cheap plastic gears. Is it still possible to get a true metal replacement and not have to rebuild this with some cheap plastic knock-off??? The mixer was originally purchased in 1994 and this is the first time it has ever needed service despite significant usage over the almost 30 years it has been in service. I just hate the thought of taking a machine that was built to last (and did) and rebuilding it with a part that has since been engineered specifically to be a planned point of failure. How were you able to get a metal replacement gear??
Well... I feel silly. It turns out that the gear merely LOOKED like metal. But it wasn't; it was the nylon one (reinforced with kevlar or carbon fiber I think?) it just happened to be colored such that it looked like it was metal. That said, after thoroughly researching this part and searching for a metal option, what I did find is that there are a lot of cheap knock-off parts circulating. I took care to be sure that I was getting a genuine factory oem replacement. The new part had the same metalic look as the original part. Many aftermarket worm gears are out there which, people are reporting, are not affixed firmly to the shaft and so they slip on the shaft under load. Basically the motor keeps running, but the beater slows down or even stops, yet the gears are not stripped, they're just slipping and rotating on the shaft. So far everything is working very well again after this repair.
What do you mean by "REVOLUTION" on your arm?
How did you get your gears so clean?? I have tried using a degreaser detergent to no avail.
A detergent degreaser like Simple Green is too gentle, you need mineral spirits. Pour into a container and throw the parts in and clean with an old toothbrush, works great.
Hi need your assistant, i ordered the worm gear on ebay for my kitchenaid KSM5 mixer and i replace the worm gear, put mixer back together taste it and its in working order but as i use my mixer to make bread i put the wet and dry ingredients in the mixing bowl started mixing as the dough starts to form, the mixer stops spinning. So i open up the mixer to check on the worm gear and its not worn out. What do you thing the problem is?
Hi Harold, I would say 99% of the time it would be the worm gear, if not then it's really hard to guess what it could be instead, perhaps the planetary or sun gear in the planetary housing? One other thing I just thought of, take a look in the planetary at the gear that is held on with a screw, remove the screw and washer and lift the gear, there should be a little pin under it that locks it to the shaft. If this pin were to shear off it would also cause the planetary to not turn. Hope this helps!
@@vintagemixersandmore1666 ok thanks for the info. 👍🙂
@@haroldflores2272 you bet!!
Hello how to fix the pulet for up tha container ? I buyer and use 3 times and broken inside the pulet!! Hell me
You have to replace the plastic lever that makes it go up and down, this part here www.partselect.com/PS11740530-Whirlpool-WP241764-Bowl-Lift-Arm.htm?SourceCode=5&SearchTerm=ksm&ModelNum=ksm&ModelID=653716
i took a stab at repairing my old ksm5, but i got a new one for christmas and with a new baby am not motivated to try any further. i have all the parts including the new worm gear - anyone know how i can donate these parts to an interested party so i don't send it to a landfill?
No doubt it will perform better mechanically with that grease, but it's not the right grease, it should be food grade grease.
I have covered this topic before in other videos, but it is pretty much personal preference. Food grade grease needs to be food grade since it will inevitably leak, look at any kitchenaid after a few years and notice the staining, especially around the band. I say if the grease stays in the gearbox where it belongs, like any good quality stable grease will, then it is not necessary, but once again it is all personal preference.
Is that food safe grease???
Synthetic grease doesn't separate and leak out of the mixer head like the food safe grease. I have never had a problem using synthetic grease in a Kitchenaid mixer.
@@chevyguy6961 lol... So NOT food safe than...
@@TheJkilla11 If it doesn't separate it won't leak out of the mixer. The original grease was mineral oil based and it would separate and leak out due to the mixer not being run enough to keep the grease blended.
@@chevyguy6961 sooooooo notttttt foooooood SAFE then.
@@TheJkilla11 How's it going to hurt you if it doesn't separate and leak out. Synthetic grease is totally safe.
Gears like that should be replaced as a set they have meshed with each other years ago. Then you change only one, the other isn't going to like it. Second, why are you not using food grade grease?
One gear is metal, the other is fiber or plastic, depending on the model and year, I dont see how the metal gear will wear the same as the plastic gear it is in contact with, unless you are referring to another gear? I stopped using food safe grease when I realized it turns runny when it gets warm, and breaks down much quicker than lithium based grease, then soaks through the gasket, under the band, staining the finish and running all down and into the machine. I have heard so many people complain about that, so I use the high quality lithium based grease that keeps its viscosity under extremely warm conditions, and will not seperate or break down. I prefer the grease to stay in the gear box, but the option to use food safe whirlpool grease was always there.
@@vintagemixersandmore1666 I have a KSM5 mixer, still running well. Do you fix Kenwood mixers? I was thinking of changing to Kenwood Titanium when the KitchenAid dies. Just wondered if the Kenwood is as good. Thanks.
You had to run the video at high speed right at the point I needed to see what was happening thanks for nothing