The WHEEL OF TIME episode 2 FULL REVIEW and discussion
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Oz: "All of my relationships have ended badly."
Also Oz: "Let me tell you how relationships work..."
That was exactly what i was thinking. the disagreements are fun to listen too though
A bit like in the last episode when he was saying “simping for a lady is bad” despite being the only unmarried man in the room, lol
Absolute gold
@@Zacecar Simping is, by definition, a terrible behavior to engage in. Now, what im not saying is treat women like crap, what I am saying is that showering an individual in attention and monetary gifts who will never reciprocate your affection is a waste of time and money.
Yeah Oz says a lot of stuff that just makes me go "Well that makes sense."
Oz, Shad's 100% right. Romantic relationships are all about putting the other person first. If you're not married, you can end the relationship because you don't want to put them first. But you can't stay in it and put yourself first or end it for another option and then come slinking back when that option stops being available. If I were Rand, I would have never taken her back.
"There is nothing more insufferable than an idiot with an agenda"
That right there is the best quote of the video. Congrats Oz.
The really scary part is how many idiots with agenda's there are these days!
My oh my, this quote still holds its own, and still will for years to come.
Moiraine's morality in the books, she says straight out... "The Dark One is after you three, one or all, and if I let you go running off wherever you want to go, he will take you. Whatever the Dark One wants, I oppose, so hear this and know it true. Before I let the Dark One have you, I will destroy you myself." This occured immediately after the ferry....
They also were bothered by her destroying the ferry, and no one even died.
She will always do the right thing, even if the right thing to do is rather harsh.
One of those things, us NOT killing some random dude when she could just tie him up. Not even with the power, just use ROPE. You have a WARDER right next to you.
And then later when the boys have dreams of the Dark One, they're afraid to tell Moraine in case that would be enough for her to decide the Dark One is too close to them and she should just kill them herself. They remember the ferry as a frightening display of her power
I agree with Shad. He was justified being mad. He was disrespected, and his emotions were ignored for status. When that opportunity was lost she thinks she can run back to him and he should just take it??? No thanks.
dude this is like a pair of kids when one goes off to college and they break up and the boys heartbroken? come off it Egwene is fine i don't see how she "ignored his emotions for status" if you been in relationships you been hurt worse than "oh i'm going to get an education halfway across the country, i'm sure you'll be fine" he is just being a little girl about it i agree with Oz wholeheartedly Rand should grow up and take it
@@HunterGargoyle I haven't seen the show, but in the book at least, it's heavily implied that Aes Sedai don't often get married. This isn't the case as much with Egwene, who always wanted to be Green Ajah, but the tension increases by the end with the Rand reveal. That's where their relationship actually has issues, not when Egwene starts to work toward being an Aes Sedai.
The thing I am missing in the first 3 episodes is.... BELA!
Bela was dragged into the trip for the need of another horse.
Bela didnt need stamina magic because *&(^ had already used the power to give Bela more strength to keep up.
Bela was the only other horse to survive the city and carried Perrin and Eugeen in turns...
Bela is a freaking important character
Yeah, Bella is the creator!
@@janlanik2660 i care more for Bela than Egwene
But my horse! She's back there!
Bella is a SUPER important character. No spoilers, but she has some BIG moments.
Bella is a MAJOR recurring character and has an adventure as well fleshed out as Rand, Perrin and Mat's!!!
HOW IS SHE NOT INCLUDED PROMINENTLY!?
Worst adaptation ever, nope, I don't like it I don't want it nope nope nope.
@@haku8135 Yes Yes. i cared more for Bela than Egwene
Rand had every right...he was treated like an option, why not pull back? Once bitten twice shy
In the books, Moiraine wasn’t injured and so they were able to safely enter Shadar Logath because she could put up wards against the evil there; they were forced out because the fade drove the trollocs in after them, despite their predictions.
However, I actually kind of liked the added sense of desperation from Moiraine’s deteriorating state driving Lan’s decision; this show has made very few good writing decisions, but I might list this as one of them.
To be fair, she was on her last legs due to using too much power fighting the trollocs that were the reason they had to go to Shadar Logoth. The end is the same, they just saved cgi budget not doing more fights lol
Ishamael drove the myrddraal and trollocs in to Shadar Logoth. That is why it was unexpected. In the book the boys hid their dreaming of Ba'alzamon, Ishamael, from Moiraine. This led to multiple problems through the first book. These writers are screwing the whole thing up. They wanted to make the next GoT but they forgot that GoT held true to the books for the first few seasons which is why it became popular.
@@nathanrathbun2619 It has been a long time since I've read the book. I only read the first five in the first place. But I was confused when they told her about the dreams so quickly. I swore that wasn't something that happened that early, hell, I thought it didn't really happen until the second or maybe even third book.
@@SuspenseGames In the books Moiraine even mentions that dreams can be dangerous and urged the boys to tell her if they had them. However, Thom (who doesn't trust Aes Sedai at this point) warned Rand and Mat not to tell anyone about the dreams because it could lead to them being killed by a mob. After all they were dreaming about Ba'alzamon (sp?).
Moiraine found out about the dreams near the end of the first book which made her change course from going to Tar Valon and instead going to Shienar.
Moirane was extremely opposed to entering Shadar Logoth in the book, it was Lan's idea, and she only relented when they ran out of options, there was 1000 Trollocs surrounding them on all sides and she was exhausted.
Moraine: you will die if you cross the river
Skyrim NPC: BUT MY SON!!!!!
If he was a Skyrim NPC he would start walking in the air. XD
@@DaviHorner or taken an arrow to the knee
I love that this channel isnt afraid to have totally different opinions on something. Like alot of review shows with more than one person usually share a hivemind mentality, but I love how everyone has entirely differently opinions :D
It get's interesting discussions going. It's definetly a plus. It's also great to have insights how people who haven't read the books think.
I know right ?
One is always wrong
One is always fair
One is always right
I let you guess which is which
Number 3 will surprise you
Yeah seriously like the wheel of time youtubers. Talk about hivemind.
Most of the hive-mind is due to a single person actually owning the channel, so the others fall in line. That or they're hoping to get attention from Amazon, so they can get sponsorships. Tons of shills on UA-cam, unfortunately.
@@My-Name-Isnt-Important or they genuinely like the show for what it is and people with the same opinions gravitate towards each other....I hate when people who like something others don't are immediately 'shills' because you don't agree with their opinion
I love the show, and I assure you Amazon doesn't sponsor me
Drinking game:
Take a shot every time Oz says "But my son!"
You would die
But my liver!
30 min in [dies]
Apparently one can get drunk just drinking water.
The whole premise of The Wheel of Time is: what if actual teenagers went on a LOTR-like adventure.
RJ's response is: you'd have a bunch of whiny stubborn idiots that bumble around until they learn the right lessons and grow up
But Rafe thinks it would be much more compelling to skip any character grrowth...
@@grayavatar9766 How else can you have them bang everything that isn't nailed down.
I wasn’t whiny, stubborn, impulsive and ignorant as a teenager… Crap I’m constantly battling 2 of these accept 1, and the other just not anymore.
The ferryman must have a very low opinion of his son if he thinks he'll see an army of of 8ft bull creatures and just wander over "ey up fellas waiting for t' ferry eh? Av ya seen mi dad?"
But mi da’!
@@AcmeWingbaby keep shouting mi sun mi da till the trollocks learn to say it
@@AcmeWingbaby give you what?
I love single Oz arguing what makes a good relationship with Shad. The happily married father of many...
Chopping off Aes Sedai's hands might actually have some merit, because while it doesn't stop them from Weaving, it would be a hindrance for most Tower trained women. The pattern of the threads themselves remain the same for spells, but how you cast them (in regards to visualization of how to weave them together) very much depends on who taught you.
I forgot which book it was from, but in a battle where Aes Sedai were fighting alongside the Kin, it was pointed out that the Kin were significantly faster at launching fireballs towards Darkspawn because the Aes Sedai went through the motions of using their hands to gather up and throw the fireballs at the enemy. The Kin however just stood with their hands at their side or clasped in front of them and launched fireballs as fast as they could make the weaves.
But my somatic components!
Thank you, actually paused the video just to find this comment. It's also why some of the Forsaken call the Aes Sedai children. Because they have to do childish jestures to weave.
It of course would also cause extreme physical pain/bleeding which would further weaken any Weaving attempt.
@@spacedinosaur8733 and if they didn’t burn or tourney her limbs, she would have bled out long before his monologue.
Correct! In one of the later books, the Aiel Wiseones were commenting about Aes Sedai "needless hand waving" - suggesting this is a rather unique superstition trained into the women of the Tower.
Rand wasn't "being a dick". He literally said, "I'm sorry, but I kind of came out here to be alone." It was delivered in his normal tone, while Egwene was attempting to get in close to him as if she hadn't just broken his heart. Egwene was 100% in the wrong.
He wasn't out there to be alone... he was spying on the two ladies and their chat... in the books... he didn't get back to the cave in time... in the show
@@RIDOLF01 I heard they did actually film Rand spying on them, but the scene was cut. It does seem a bit weird, but... it works.
Yes
@@RIDOLF01 I know what he did in the books. I also know that the Rand-Egwene relationship was still a possible thing really until Rand slept with Aviendha in Fires of Heaven. They'd already begun to drift as early as the Great Hunt when Aram attempted to seduce Egwene while Lanfear (as Selene) tried to seduce Rand. Then later in the Dragon Reborn, Egwene's focuses her emotions and strength of willpower around Gawyn (for some very strange reason) and begins to question her feelings for him during her time as a damane. The Rand-Elayne relationship starts in the Dragon Reborn, but petty issues almost destroy it. Further along these lines, in Shadow Rising, the Rand-Min relationship begins to blossom.
In other words, at this point in the books, Rand and Egwene were still a couple and acted as such. In the show, they've already broken up. Since we did not see Rand actively spying on Egwene and Moiraine (and no mention of it has been made thus far), we cannot simply assume that he was out there to do so. The reason he spied on them in the books was out of concern for Egwene. And let's not forget that the ONLY one of their group who went 100% willingly with Moiriane and Lan was Egwene. Rand, Mat, and Perrin all protested and tried to remain in Emmond's Field. Even Nynaeve only began tracking them in order to bring the kids (who she felt had been kidnapped and were in danger) back home. From the very start, Rand and Mat were suspicious of Moiraine's intentions. Which were only intensified by Thom's presence (which has also been changed in the show).
@@Unlitedsoul Rand and Elayne's relationship started in EotW when they fell in love at first sight, or in tSr, when they actually started spending time together, not in The Dragon Reborn. Egwene did not focus on Gawyn at all in that book either. She had a dream about him in tFoH, and then saw in his dreams that he was in love with her in LoC, and fell for him. Nothing in tDR. Aram attempted to seduce Egwene in EotW long before Rand ever met Selene, in the following book, tGH. Petty issues never threatened Rand & Elayne's relationship, she was annoyed at his reaction to her departure but neither of their feelings changed. Their mutual behavior on their parting left each one concerned that the other did not love them back, but nothing was destroyed. Even while falling in love with another woman and eventually sleeping with her, Elayne was on Rand's mind, and even when he proposed to the other girl, he had reservations, because of his feelings for Elayne. Elayne never once contemplated breaking up with Rand, she was all in, all about him, from her first PoV chapter, and clearly into him well before that. Rand and Min never interacted in Shadow Rising, let alone have a relationship that began to blossom.
Rand and Egwene's relationship status was a lot more ambiguous in the books. There were strong feelings and an assumption that they would eventually marry, but no formal relationship or commitment. In their first conversation in the books, they are clashing over issues of her career and aspirations. Min tells Rand early in the book that they won't end up together and by the end of the book, Rand has accepted that. During the book, Egwene is very receptive to Aram's flirtations, and ignores her hosts and Perrin to spend all her time dancing with him. When a farmer's daughter starts hitting on Rand on his journey, his relationship with Egwene never crosses his mind, his primary concern is that the girl might get him in trouble with her family. Throughout the series, aside from some hugs for comfort, Rand and Egwene never even have any physical interactions. They never kiss, until she gives him a good bye kiss on the cheek after they finally have the talk confirming that both of them have checked out of the relationship a long time ago, and have both taken for granted that they will never be anything more to each other.
Later on, Egwene refers to their relationship as "thinking" she loved him. A good argument can be made, I believe that she pursued a relationship with him, basically calling "dibs" among the women of the village at a young age, because his family was one of the rare ones in the Two Rivers with no women. By marrying Rand, Egwene would instantly become the female head of the household, and all the decisions, choices and activities that were considered female stuff would be under her control and authority, and she would no longer have to answer to any other women. If she married almost any other Two Rivers man, either he would move into the inn to help her parents, and she would still be under her mother and her big sisters, or she would move into his house, with his extended family, and basically be the new girl in the household, having to answer to her mother-in-law and all the other women who had grown up in the family, or married into it long ago and have their places established.
Egwene hates to be second fiddle or be considered lower-ranking or having to obey orders. When she tells Rand she is studying under Nynaeve to be a Wisdom, he laughs at her, because Wisdom is a job for life, and Nynaeve is only 24. Rand knows that Egwene would never be content serving the village without getting power in return, much less serving under another's authority for years. And Egwene proves him right with her career plan, which is to leave the village and find a place that prefers to appoint as Wisdom an outsider without any established relationships among the community. Rand knows and Egwene can't deny this trait about her. She is petty and defiant towards absolutely every authority figure she encounters through the series, unless they are actually giving her something she wants, and even most of them, she goes behind their backs or disobeys in some fashion. Even when she is playing a role to further her own power, she can barely control her outrage and frustration at pretending to be subservient or lesser than her rivals. For Egwene, being in charge, or able to do what she wants without answering to anyone else is of primary importance, so that, I think, was what governed her choice of husband - a living situation where she would not have to answer to any other woman (that they lived the farthest away from the village, and the Wisdom, Woman's Circle and her mom, probably helped a lot, too).
In the series, Egwene goes from telling Rand "I don't care" and hugging him when they learn he can channel, to, one book later, telling Min that he is an unsuitable partner. Why? What changed? Rand had just been proclaimed as the Dragon Reborn. He leveled up past Egwene, and that she could not accept in a partner. Thereafter, while she is concerned about him, she never thinks of him as her love interest. When she realizes that Elayne is thinking about sharing him her thought in reaction is "he's not for either of us." Rand is too powerful to be a good boyfriend, in her eyes. It is only the prospect of Berelain, a drop dead sexy woman and ruler in her own right, pursuing Rand, that makes Egwene give in and help Elayne pursue her interest.
Another massive change is not including the coins the 3 guys are given by moraine to help track them. Im interested to see how they track eachother without for lack of better term “tracking coin”
The first book has several inconsistencies with the rest of the series. This token thing is one of them. It's a good thing to drop.
@@florentinvonfrankenberg7102 how is the coins an inconsistency?
If you use the power to heal someone you have an ability to "feel" their location, is what the rest of the series uses as canon... Moraine "heals" all of them by taking their tiredness away... I assume they are going with her being able to sense them or something along those lines
@@sticky4158 the problem is removing the tiredness of a person doesn't create the bond that healing does. We see that in TEotW. That is why Moraine still has to rely on the coins.
@@joshuahorn4786 The coins aren't an inconsistency, I'm with you.
She uses them to keep track of the boys, it's one of the things the power can do but as you go on in the series things happen and they don't WANT to be tracked and tied down with a leash, so obviously they just wouldn't use that again. Like I don't know how this is in ANY way not consistent with the rest of the series.
Favorite part of this review?
Based Shad giving relationship advice.
Respect yourself kings.
Just be careful not to accidentally call him "Shadbased"
I was about to upvote you but you used the word "kings". Why did you use that term?
@@AspectClip Does it even matter? Why does it matter?
@@AspectClip what lol
@@nerasomnia It's pretty cringe worthy. Artificial bravado for the insecure. "Men" would have been more apt, though of course it could be said for both men and women that confidence and self-respect are important, at least when there's substance to their character.
Rand is a hundred percent right about egwene, she decided to be a "mage" before even speaking with him and broke their relationship for that. Only reason she wanted back is because she feels bad not that she acknowledged she did wrong.
*Egwene
@Jeremy S. I would agree with you in part. However, while she is free to enter or leave the relationship, I would argue that it you are in an engagement like relationship you have an obligation to involve the other party when making that level of decision for your actions will have a huge affect on the others life. And I feel they have a right to be able to voice their opinion and let her decide.
@Jeremy S. Agreed and thanks for the great discussion 👍 😀
Absolutely agree, Rand is fully justified
@Jeremy S. They changed from the book, Wisdoms did marry but it was rare. I think it was bc of the dynamics of the village culture.
The fact that they had the Whitecloak leader suggest to Moiraine to seek out an Aes Sedai while he's in front of a Questioner? Yeah ... that's stupid and would result in the Questioner putting that commander to the Question.
And them cutting the travel to Baerlon means that Lan doesn't start training the boys with their weapons, particularly Rand with the sword which is a connection that's pretty important later, but they've ditched it ... ugh.
Only 3 episodes in and there are already numerous examples of sloppy, lazy, illogical, and outright terrible writing. Im becoming more convinced this adaptation is doomed. Guhh
@@Dave3Dman While I do agree with the sentiment, they do have a need to change the order of some things due to pacing. I kind of dont like it, but some of these things would be too fast if it happened so soon. It can easily be shown later and have a similar effect.
@@rhuanv they did waste time with the ferry and explaining Manetheren. I love the Manetheren back story but talking about it and how strong their blood in them is is just contradictory to what we see(super diverse and clearly all of them can't be of the same blood) and would have been better done differently and could have been done later. Same with the questioner. Information the viewer doesn't need now and could have been used for the plot elements in the book instead.
So it isn't an adaption issue but rather bad writing. I get the feeling that they are doing changes as they come up and haven't thought at all about the long term effects of said changes.
@@Klickor i feel its about the necessity, that I do not agree with, of having a 'strong' chapter. Because Amazon kind of made a bet on the show, it appears to have this necessity of every chapter ending in a big way. So they had to change things to accommodate that. It's quite rushed really, and some things can have a strong domino effect if done poorly. It's a mixture of having to give enough attention to what is shown, and having too little time to show it properly. But yeah, the writing is a bit confused at times.
@@rhuanv agree. It is weird that they went this route with the money they have. They have their own streaming service and almost an infinite amount of cash. They can afford to take it a bit slower and let the show stand on its story.
If they just wanted some quick money they shouldn't have adopted one of the longest and most epic series out there and instead went with something shorter. Such a waste of time and money and for the older fans there is probably 0 chance of a good adaption in their lifetimes now. At least I can wait for 20-30 years for someone to do it correctly in the future.
The white cloak sending someone to an ais sedai was world breaking for me. In the beginning a white cloak would be almost unanimous in condemning any one power usage for any reason. Not every white cloak would have hated Ais Sedai but none would be caught suggesting you go find one until much later in the books.
Agreed, you can show the guy is compassionate without showing him betraying the white cloaks.
That's what that was, guiding people TO THE AES SEDAI is tantamount to treason for these guys. If someone needed help they'd direct them to THEMSELVES. They're entirely convinced THEY'RE the best most upstanding people in the world that always knows what's best for everyone. THEY WOULD NEVER SEND SOMEONE TO AN AES SEDAI FOR HELP! They think they're all EVIL, why would they do that!? Even if you find one that's like "Alright, they're not EVIL, but they're meddling with powers they have no business touching, and they're idiots, and they're going to cause disaster no matter how well meaning they are."
that's the BEST case scenario for a white cloak, IT'S INGRAINED INTO THEIR BELIEFS!
That was really bad IMO as well.
While Bornhald was indeed conscientious for a whitecloak, I agree he wouldn't have suggested anyone seek aid of an Aes Sedai given that whitecloaks view anyone who channels as by default being a darkfriend.
What makes it even more egregious to me is that he does so in front of someone that is supposed to be a high ranking questioner and for the questioner to not immediately order his arrest for being a darkfriend.
Probably the most authentic reviewers on the internet. Loving the videos lads! Keep it up!
The trollocs can talk. In Rands first interaction with the trollocs, the trolloc Narg speaks to Rand, and tries to get him to surrender, and wait for the Fade to come, and talk to him.
They also have their own language.
Narg no hurt..you put sword down.
Narg is the only Trolloc that talks in the entire series.
So I don't think it's safe to assume that they all can. That's a change I liked in the show, no Narg. Even if he has become somewhat of an endearing character in the fandom, his existence is not necessary in any way and only brings unanswered questions, which is not ideal
@@arenkai From the wiki:
Some Trollocs are capable of rudimentary human speech, but usually they converse amongst themselves in their own guttural tongue. Trollocs also have a written script for their language, in the form of angular runes. An example of this is the carvings found on some of the guide stones in The Ways.
@@arenkai Trollocs have their own language, very few of them speak common (human). just because a French person can't speak English doesn't mean they can't speak.
Rand is justified in his complaints and wariness. But the delivery still comes across whiny for some reason… Maybe it’s because he looks like prequel Anakin’s younger brother.
To be fair it, rand in the books is whiney
He does! I keep expecting him to exposition dump his hatred of sand.
Rand is legit my least favorite character in the books mainly because he comes off as such a whiny brat.
If you had the weight of prophecy on your shoulders like Rand does you would whine too.
....He sees through the lies of the Aes Sedai! He doesn't fear the Dark One as you do!
"...BUT MAH SON!!!" Great video guys :D
The best thing of this show is the lore videos which include crucial worldbuilding but are relegated to outside the show. Even better when these videos are region locked in your country. Fantastic.
The show runner said in an interview he had to get them emailed to him because it's region locked in in Prague.
If your story needs outside content to explain the story you've failed as a storyteller
*nord VPN sponsor intensifies*
@@vonfaustien3957
The only one really needed is the first one about the breaking of the world, but still. Sucks.
OH MY GOD, is this why I can't find the animated shorts in Australia?! Far out that's stupid
Shad be like "I liked this episode."
*Ten minutes later.*
"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!"
About the Aes Sedai weaving without their hands, I seem to remember that most of them could not. I think Egwene mentioned that the ones that were tower trained had those hand motions drilled in to them to help them focus, so much so that they were unable to weave without them. Another implication of that is that Wilders in the tower were not restricted like that.
I believe it was most not all, as there are many times Moiraine uses air without gestures, Cadsuane, Siuan and Leane could too plus a few others I can't remember, If I remember rightly with the tower finding less and less girls with great talent they are recruiting weaker girls too and those with less talent require the gestures as an aid the most talented learn to weave without them
It is habit not training. Plus they can still channel without them as they are shown doing it in the books, even the weakest Sisters. It is like the Harry Potter world wizarding kind being taught non verbal magic but most still use the incantaions.
What the writers of this subpar adaptation are doing is trying to make "magic" weaker so they can save money later in production. They are doing it deliberately and finding excuses in the books for it. In point of fact by how much they are cutting out, the Aeil Wise Ones, the Seanchan daemane, and the Wind Finders will likely be skipped over. If I don't miss my guess they will likely not even have those races save for a slim chance of the Aeil to explane where Rand comes from.
So Sisters losing the freedom of movement of their hands fits into cheaper budgeting.
It all depends on the Aes Sedai in question and who trained them. Many Aes Sedai can tell who was trained by who based on the gestures they make for certain weaves. So one could do the same weave with a gesture or without. According to the Wise Ones it’s how they learn the weave that is important. If a woman learned a weave with a gesture it is almost impossible for them to learn to do the same weave without the gesture after.
No, ALL of them can weave the power without their hands.
However, SOME of the weaves they use with their hands, and because they always use their hands the power requires it now. It's a matter of they BELIEVE they need their hands but they really don't. That's just how they were taught so that's how they learn.
The ONLY things this applies to, are SPECIFIC weaves such as a fireball. Channelers, can just MAKE fireballs out of thin air and machine gun them at people. That's something the power can do. Aes Sedai however, LEARN fireballs by PHYSICALLY throwing their hands out to visualize throwing a fireball, so because that's how they learned it now they NEED it or they'd need to first UNlearn it. Old habits and all that.
Aes Sedai DO NOT go around waving their hands about like they're directed by Shyamalan in order to shield people or to float something on a thread of air, that just HAPPENS.
They use their hands to throw fireballs, and maybe one or two other kinds of weaves. It's like training wheels that they never figured out how to remove. OTHER channelers may have learned DIFFERENTLY so they don't use their hands at all, they don't have training wheels in the first place.
Regardless, there isn't an aes sedai in the SERIES that couldn't get out of being BURNED AT THE STAKE just because "oh i've not got me hands, I'm helpless now". She can't THROW FIREBALLS...... that is it, she can still do everything else. This is a DETRIMENTAL change to the series if that's how it works.
@@haku8135 I like how you put that.
You guys are forgetting that the warder bond gives both people additional endurance and overall increased constitution. This is mentioned many times in the books.
Colour shifting cloak anyone?
@@eziop5539 CGI costs. 😐
@@moma-b it would have been cool though
@@eziop5539 they didn't even have a gleeman cloak ffs
It's over 100ft Oz. You can fall into water about anywhere below 100 ft, before it basically becomes a wall.
I cliff dove from about 65 feet before, gave me a bit of foot shock and was as scary af but no broken bones.
well it really depends on how you hit. Belly flopping on to water from 100 ft is 95% the force of landing in concrete from 100 ft. land feet first os a lot gentler.
Mythbusters tested this years ago it was fun seeing buster eat that much pavement
There are clif divers hom dive in from 125 feet, and acounts of people diving in as hig as 150. Granted these are well trained and know what they are doing. As a general thum thoug 100 fet should be a maximum for non trained, provided you go feet first. Shure if you land badly 50 would be bad as well, bot not realy a problem, unless you are stupid on the water entry.
The taint didn't come from men channeling too close to the dark one, it was a counterattack from the dark one. Some of Lews Therin's allies turned in order to receive immunity to the taint. There's also an issue with them encountering the whitecloaks, a questioner who has killed aes sedai would know their ageless face on sight, so deceiving them about her identity would never work.
It doesn’t look like they’re really doing the ageless face, which is fair, it probably would look weird
@@Connor_Crain Aye, it would be difficult, but it was also a vital part of the lore. Either way, as they point out, all a questioner needs to do is ask 'are you an aes sedai?' Every detail the show fails to take into account has a ripple effect causing even more changes as they go because Robert Jordan was meticulous about detail, nothing was superfluous.
@@MordethKai But I don't think the Whitecloaks really believed the Three Oaths were a thing. Most might assume they oaths are in effect, but given their overall prejudice they wouldn't accept an answer that didn't meet the narrative they already came up with.
@@patricklee8088 Depends on the whitecloak, the books showed a lot of diversity of background and opinion with the whitecloaks. Let's not forget that Galad joins them and he grew up around aes sedai, and doesn't suddenly hate his sister or egwene afterwards. Of course in the books a questioner killing an aes sedai is a wet dream for them, the most they ever do is make some poor woman a scapegoat and burn her at the stake. A questioner that could successfully kill multiple aes sedai would need to know exactly what he's dealing with to survive doing so.
@@MordethKai Galad is perhaps the exception who proves the rule, and even then not a good one since he would always do what's right even if it meant hurting someone close to him. Considering he doesn't meet up with Elayne until much later as a Whitecloak, its a moot point.
And yes, knowing your enemy well is an excellent strategy. But assuming that everything they say is true is naive! If Aes Sedai are servants of the Dark One, and we never see an opposing view being entertained, why would the Whitecloaks believe the Three Oaths were real? A smarter way to identify one would be the ageless face, her Warder, or her ring. Heck, even Wisdoms, Wise Women, etc. were often accused because of their work in medicine by scared or jealous community members.
In the books, when Moiraine first meets the boys (and gives them tokens), she channels the One Power, and Rand rubs his arms.
This is some foreshadowing, because it's explained much, much later that when females channel the One Power around Rand, he can tell because he gets goosebumps.
The mentioning of this little thing within the first book is great. Not sure if this is shown in the series.
I hope they answer in-series the reason why the White Cloaks don't go around asking every woman if they are Aes Sedai. In the books, they explain that they don't believe the Oaths are a thing, even if in many cases they do take advantage of it, so in their minds, the Aes Sedai are free to answer "no".
They can recognize an aes sedai on sight anyway cause of their distinct look.
It's less about hiding in the books and more about staying where the white cloaks aren't legally allowed to do anything.
"They shot Harambe for less" came out of NOWHERE!
thank you Oz, I haven't laughed that hard in while.
Not one story about letting a badger loose at an inconvenient spot
"I wonder what Dav did with that badger."
Still mulling over watching it or not. Taking their innocence kinda puts me off because I really like how they matured in the books.
1:10 On discussing Moirains wound.
The books establish that just holding the power gives you a lot more survivability and it makes your natural healing faster.
There are several examples of people continuing to fighting with wounds that would have killed normal people, including some really extreme ones.
The counter argument is that, that’s a long time to hold the power
@@jacobnugent8159 they're also healed ASAP. At the VERY least if the power isn't an option, not every aes sedai can heal worth a damn, you wrap that wound the hell up, clean it, take care of your damn self. Moraine will push herself if she needs to, she won't compromise her mission by walking around with an OPEN WOUND.
The power can help with this stuff, but they're not allomancers, they can't burn pewter for 2 days straight and leap out a burning building like nothing happened.
The contention I will raise for Morain not saving the ferryman is earlier in the episode, Lan remarked she was draining her own power to keep them all energized at the cost of her health. So between her having very little energy reserves and Aes Sadai being very shrewd at times in calculations. (The Dragon and these Taverien need my power more than this ferryman). I could see a much easier way to justify why she didn't save him.
I would add that weather control is tricky in that you can start something (a whirlpool) but it would take even more effort to reverse it and simply unraveling a weave would not stop the whirlpool. That being said, she still could have used air to pull him out of the river.
What about Lan?
Wasn't he there? She couldn't have told HIM to grab the guy and bonk him on the head, tie him to a tree, whatever to stop him killing himself? She's also SINKING A BOAT like she can't just set it on fire?
One fireball takes more energy than full on sinking a boat?
She'd know she has to do SOMETHING. Like ONE thread of air to yank him back for Lan to secure isn't going to break the bank, come on don't DEFEND this atrocious decision.
@@haku8135 agreed, bad story writing unfortunately.
This isn’t Moraine.
In new Spring, Moraine nearly kills herself pulling the most annoying person she’s ever met away from a ledge and a fall that would have killed the nitwit after fighting a more powerful Aes Sedai. And while this attitude is tempered later on with age, it is shown time and time again how she bends over backwards to help people, from healing the people of Emonds Field, to secretly funneling money to an inn keeper after his business burns down so that Darkfriends don’t torture him to death because they think he’s an Aes Sedai spy.
This Moraine let a distraught old man die because it was easier for her. The snakes and foxes can keep this Moraine.
The best thing about this show so far is you guys discussing it. (Just kidding, it has some good parts. But the discussion is actually entertaining content. Keep at it. :) )
Yes, also the discussions on other forums.
I haven't talked about WoT in 10 years or something.
I agree the discussions are better than the show
I think you’re kidding not kidding
19:10 The ferryman dying in the show was clearly done just to make the discussion between Egwene and Moiraine turn naturally to the topic of the Three Oaths of the Aes Sedai.
It was a bit of an idiot ball, and in the book the ferryman, Master Hightower, actually doesn't die, he just watches as his ferry gets crushed by the whirlpool. In the book it's also not made explicit that it was Moiraine who created this "unfortunate occurrence" - it was definitely implied, but there was some ambiguity whether it was Moiraine or if it was one of those "freak occurrences" that became more commonplace later in the series, as the Dark One's prison weakened.
As for why Moiraine didn't save the guy in the show after he had jumped in after his ferry, the easiest justification is that she was injured and needed to conserve her strength.
By the way, this leads to an interesting conversation about the Three Oaths later in the episode, one of which is subtly different from the book Oaths.
The show version of the Oaths are:
One, to speak no word that is not true.
Two, to make no weapon with which one man may kill another.
Three, never to use the One Power as a weapon except the last extreme defense of her life, the life of her Warder, or another Aes Sedai.
The third oath in the books is as follows: Never to use the one power as a weapon except *against* *Darkfriends* or Shadowspawn, or in the last extreme defense of her life, the life of her Warder, or another Aes Sedai.
So, in the books there is a provision that allows Aes Sedai to use the One Power as a weapon against not only Shadowspawn (trollocs, myrddraal and the like), but also Darkfriends, who are regular humans who serve the Dark One. The implication here is that with the book oath, if an Aes Sedai believes that someone is a Darkfriend, the oath will not prevent them from using the One Power as a weapon against them, while the show oath seems to preclude that, except under imminent threat to their life, their Warder, or another Aes Sedai.
I guess using the One Power as a weapon against the Shadowspawn is taken for granted, but we'll have to see if the omission of Darkfriends has some consequences in the show. Maybe it doesn't matter, or maybe it's just a slip of the scriptwriter. But interesting nonetheless.
TBH they could just say all dark-friends are an imminent threat.
Its a bit clunky, given the power disparity, but you can argue that you do not know what a dark-friend has up their sleeve.
It is fully possible they just shortened it to save time.
You lost me when you started comparing it to the books...that train left the station episode one.
@@silusnode We can always make comparisons to the books, and I don't mean change is unequivocally bad. This particular change - the ferryman's death - I found a bit less than ideal but I sort of understand why it was done that way.
For Moiraine to conserve her magical gas tank might indeed be reasonable. On one hand she has three, oh wait, "four" Ta'veren including the Dragon Reborn which will decide the fate of the World. To ensure they live to do the bidding of Tar Valon should be her absolute priority. On the other hand she has this one ferryman dude which can not really help with her mission and bit of a bother at that. That said, leaving the ferryman to drown when he is presumably suffering from temporary insanity due to extreme emotional turmoil does make a definitive statement about the values her character uphold.
"maybe it's just a slip of the scriptwriter." -- More like the scriptwriter's laziness. Seems pretty clear by now that they're putting in minimal effort as far as knowing/understanding the world of the books.
The ferry incident could have been an issue where she "pushed a boulder down a hill" and she couldn't stop it once it was started
I mean, the man jumped into the river himself, she told him herself to not to do that but he did. Entirely his fault.
Pulling him out telekinetically is nothing in that setting for someone like her.
Nah they've stunned and wrapped people up so MANY times that it becomes cliche in their own series. She could save him at will any time including while drowning. She killed that man at least three times
Ik people want to judge the show on its own merits, but it’s really hard for me to watch something called wheel of time and have it missing the core themes of the books
Their excuse: "iTs a DifFeReNt TuRnInG oF tHe WhEeL" or "cHaNgEs aRe NeCeSsArY." Give me a break.
@@ChickenBiscuits lol yeah it’s pretty dumb
It’s pretty difficult on its own
Change needs to have a reason.
Either to make something the fans originally didn't like better, or because you don't want to have the character's internal monologue literally narrated in every scene, or because it's not possible to show with the technology available, or because of time constraints and thus needing to condense things.
Anything outside of that is pointless and it's right to call it out when it happens.
What core themes are missing ?
So far we're at the very beginning, nothing is laid out, we're still introducing the world and the characters.
Give it time.
By the end of Season 1 you'll be able to say that if it's still the case
Emond Valda is not a Questioner in the books, he is an officer the same rank as Bornhold. Later in the series, there is a conspiracy that Valda joins in with the Questioners, but there is a rift within the White Cloaks, and making Valda a Questioner cheapens later payoffs.
It stays on theme with them speeding things up.
We don't lose much by making him a questioner already since what happens with him in regards to the main cast can still happen regardless.
Is he the one at the meeting in the prologue of one of the later books? (Trying to prevent spoilers, lol)
I just love the ridiculous amount of argumentative tension in these videos
This poor man on the right, he never gets to talk😞🤭
Rand's attitude toward Egwene was justified. Egwene's priority is always herself. Her wants are her main driving force in the books so I'm happy to see the show carrying that on. I may be a little biased because I hate her character. What happens to her in A Memory of Light should have happened a lot sooner then it did.
@Jeremy S. I'm pretty sure I would. I don't think it's gendered at all, she's just self-centered and awful. That's not attractive in anyone regardless of gender.
It's certainly true people tend to judge women more harshly for self-centeredness. But that doesn't change the fact that Egwene is self-centered.
@Jeremy S. Yes. If you changed nothing else about the character other than gender I would still hate him.
@@lisacook8235 That's crock women seem to love telling each other.
I've never encountered such a thing, but quite the opposite: People, of both genders, always seem determined to find excuses for women's actions, no matter the circumstances.
If you don't agree with me, I'd love an explanation for the unequal convictions for the same crimes.
There is also a great corpus of studies observing such tendencies. It's actually quite shocking.
@Jeremy S. I dislike over ambiguous characters no matter what gender they are
Oh, I have to agree with Shad about the story - the actress told the tragedy of Manetheren so well that it had me crying by the end.
It seems to me that Moiraine did know what she was doing when she let that man die and she let it happen to drive home a point to the others - "If you act like a fool, I will let you die". It's a good threat to keep people in line without having to engage in violence.
You can't "cancel weaves" Shad, you have to unravel the weaves and it can have catastrophic results. See Path of Daggers, Elayne unravels a gateway and it blows up like a nuke. What's to stop him from jumping back in too? She had a trolloc wound that incapacitated her like the next day.
Not so sure about this. It depends on the weave, and whether or not it's been tied off. In the books, it's heavily implied that the whirlpool stops as soon as the ferry is destroyed, which would mean that Moiraine was controlling how long the effect lasted. She could have just stopped channeling and the river would have quickly returned to normal.
@@lrllak well when you stop channeling - assuming the weaves haven't been tied off - the effect indeed naturally wanes from my reading. It is like stepping off of gas, the vehicle gradually stops (oversimplifying things). Unless you set off a chain reaction, kind of like burning stuff or causing floods or something that have secondary effects that linger, once you stop channeling, the weaves dissipate and the effect disappears. But I think Adam was pointing out that you can't use the term "cancel weaves" and then moved on to the concept of tying the weaves and unraveling them. Both of them don't have any impact in the current discussion I would assume. So Adam probably got a bit confused??
You can cancel a weave. You just stop channelling. This is what the Aes Sedai are taught to do rather than try to unravel it. The Aes Sedai literally don't know how to have a weave maintain without actively maintaining it until they later find out how to tie off a weave.
@@hooligan9794 This
Wasn't that Aviendha who unraveled the gateway?
1:12:30 and it is even worse. Remember there is Lan, who is her warder? He can feel her wounds. He would force her to care for herself. Well, at least book-Lan would.
Hey Shad, I noticed this earlier too but you keep adjusting your glasses and raising the temples. From my personal experience that's because they are too tight and causing discomfort! It's really easy fix, just visit any eyeglass store next to you and they will fix it for free (they warm up the joints and adjust them to be a bit wider for better fit!). If I adjust my own glasses up like you, my eyes start hurt from the distortion caused! Sorry, bit off topic but just a thing I couldn't help but notice :D
I think Egwain just startled Rand when she cuddled up to him, but yeah, she dumped him, then went back to him for comfort. I'm sorry, you can't have your cake and eat it too. While Perrin is stoic and doesn't want to be a bother, he is also not stupid. Perrin would have cleaned and wrapped his wound, and he probably has some basic knowledge of herbs, to help a little. He wouldn't march across the countryside with an open and bleeding wound. That's just stupid
THANK YOU! Well said
I got the impression that Perrin is punishing himself.
Honestly, if I was him I probably would've offed myself on the spot.
You got writers who learn morality and survival from the TV, so letting the ferryman die and Perrin not treating his wound shouldn’t be that much of a surprise.
At first I thought it said Egwin and I was confused over that, now I’m just confused about why the name is spelled like that
@@The_Sleepiest_Socialist because it's a fantasy name and I don't remember its accurate spelling. Duh.
Also, Shad you forgot to mention the glaring lack of angreal in the first episode. The angreal, saangreal and terangreal are such important plot devices that it was introduced in the very beginning of the book. Here there is nary a whiff of it. This is highly suspect.
And no thom Merlin
I believe we see Moraine wrap up a angreal little statue in the first episode but that's it.
They've done away with the objects because of how much they already had to introduce. The camel's back was already broken; anything else in episode 1 and 2 would have collapsed it.
@@Kale13000 That got me too. The whole excitement for the celebration in the village was there was gonna be a Gleeman, 2 strangers, and fireworks that year. Which was ruined by the Trolloc attack.
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The killing by omission is them specifically trying to demonstrate the loopholes and edges around the oaths. But it does also show a lack of the world building in later books.
Rand was the justified one in that melodrama.
Moiraine’s integrity, honesty, and morality are key to her character. Without them, Rand wouldn’t regard her as one of the few people he trusts. To take that away and allow her to kill someone for no reason destroys that. How is Rand supposed to trust someone who could have not only NOT killed someone else, but easily saved them?
In the books she has one goal and that is to see the Dragon Reborn through to the Last Battle. Mistrust of her comes from not knowing who or what she would sacrifice to accomplish that goal and whether she is right to do so. It is done so well by Robert Jordan that you can see and understand both sides.
Have you read the books recently ? Rand never trusts Moiraine until she swears an Oath. And even after that he's still trying to figure out if she's manipulating him That's part of why he gets in major trouble and Moiraine gets frustrated.
Him realising Moiraine is one of the few people he can trust comes in hindsight (no spoiler for non-book readers)
So in light of this, it would make sense for the show to introduce elements to justify this mistrust.
(Even if I think Moiraine absolutely did the right thing here. This person's life is not worth the amount of One Power it would take to save them, or taking the risk that the Fade crosses the river)
I completely agree with Lord Shad about Egwene basically abusing Rand after she came crawling back to him after she had no chance of becoming a Wisdom! I’d be the same way if I got dumped by a career girl, career failed, and she tried crawling back to me!
Weren't many of the wisdoms in the book married?
@@jamescollier9196 It's specifically mentioned that it is rare for them to marry; not that it is forbidden. The same is said of Aes Sedai.
@@jamescollier9196 The problem is that the writers don't expect viewers to get nuance. It's bit of banter between Egwene and Rand. Nobody is actually taking it seriously. Their families know she could become wisdom, but they don't stop treating them like they are going to get married.
Just really gross comment. Don't worry no woman will come crawling to you :)
@@jacob3716 let’s be civil here, there is no need for insults
When the ferryman jumped in, I was literally waiting for Moraine to pull him out.
So, some weaves create an effect that doesn't immediately fade when the weaving stops. And, in the book and in the show, she's getting pretty tired at that point, but hiding it pretty well from the group.
The opening really bothers me, because they can also do stuff with individual strands of the power, like cut her ropes with a strand of fire, scatter the burning wood with air, kill with fire, air, or spirit. The only reason in the books that cutting off her hands could stop her from doing anything at all would be if it makes her so distressed that she can't get in the frame of mind to embrace the Source.
The Whitecloaks and the camp replaced Baerlon and meeting Min (but she's a walking spoiler, lol).
I feel like they mixed Rand and Mat up a bit. Mat was more outspoken untrusting of Aes Sedai, while Rand was more quietly distrusting and always driven by responsibility.
I missed the big chase and running battle leading to Moraine deciding to make for Shadar Logoth in absolute desperation. Also the boys exploring together and meeting Mordeth was a big let down. Then there's the chaotic escape when the Myrdraal force the Trollocs into the city to search.
I guess they had to omit Bayle Domon since Thom wasn't with the boys yet, so they couldn't sell their services as gleeman's apprentices and a full gleeman. But it's a big hole to leave for one of the more important moderate minor characters.
Jumping slightly ahead, no Whitebridge? It's the characters' first introduction to a wonder from the Age of Legends.
The ferry man is a greedy bastard in the book that was going to try to rob them along with the lads that do the pulling for him, but stopped when he saw two swordsmen and an axe weilder in the group. And Moraine more than compensated him for the boat, and he complained about the lost fares until he could get the boat replaced.
Just makes me realize how beautiful and intricate the books are. Jordan and Sanderson are Legend!
1:00 "I think this episode is a snooze-fest" I actually fell asleep during this episode multiple times...
A video every day since Monday? A few more days and they will break the world!
Matt's pranks and cheekiness is vary important.
In the books, many Channelers practiced channeling with their hands so much that they practically needed their hands to channel (somatic component, effectively). That was something that separated Aiel wise ones from Aisedia (sp?)
Here is the problem with the hand thing if its true. When channelers are battling each other why would they bother weaving a complex shield to cut someone off especially since they may not even be able to hold them, when now they can simply bind the opponents hands/arms with a simple weave of air and they are equally disabled.
Aes Sedai in the books can't throw fireballs without doing a throwing motion.
Other channelers do not need to do so however.
You make a good point sir! Even if the hand thing is only true for Aes Sedai, a single air weave could knock them out, if applied to the jaw. That's only if you want to capture them. You could do so many other things with a simple weave of air, if you didn't care about damage. Like blinding, or slamming them to the ground. It doesn't make much sense to use a complex weave in the heat of battle. never really thought about it.
@@danielsaines602 so confusing, are Whitecloaks channeling now and knocking out aes Sedai? With flows of air? What is happening here 😳
@@thebeginningsend1 These comments are about Channelers fighting each other. So two people who can use the one power (magic). When channelers fight in the books, they tend to try to cut the other off from using magic. To do this they use a weave (spell) that is made from multiple elements, and is quite complex. This weave is called "shielding," as it shields the victim from touching the one power. So we are talking about how it's odd they use this time consuming weave, when a very simple and quick one, could do the same thing.
I've always equated "binding" to trying to lasso an angry snake and "shielding" as dropping a cargo net on a rampaging gorilla. Another point is that using a simple weave of air can be easily countered/nullified by an equally competent channeler either by cutting the binding weave or encasing their own hands in "bubbles" of air so that binding weaves can't actually restrict hand movement. (If I recall correctly, in one of the books a *cough* "dark friend" does exactly that to prevent being snared and caught.)
Oz’s voice impressions are spot on. XD
MOY SUN!
44:29 also, they're still pretty young, and teens/young adults can be whiny irl so it's hardly unbelievable that Rand would complain a lot, considering the position he's in.
Exactly.
That's the whole premise of The Wheel of Time: what if actual teenagers went on a LOTR-like adventure.
RJ's response is: you'd have a bunch of whiny stubborn idiots that bumble around until they learn the right lessons and grow up
Too bad they are 20 and full marriage age... The teenage whininess isnt as acceptable at the age they are in the show... Making them older is the flapping of the butterfly, that creates the destructive hurricane of a series....
Another great review guys, and I love the idea of a "But Mah Son!!" shirt. Specifically for Oz, since he seems to be the quip master here: Please work in more absurd "But mah son!" meme scenarios in later discussion videos, it feels like it has a lot of potential. Thanks.
The Ferryman is a victim of "Fridging"
Weird how nobodies talking about this....MY SON!
I want to point out that many people keep pointing out that it's "technically correct" that cutting off an Aes Sedai's hands would interfere with their weaves because most are trained to use them and it's also a mortal wound, but I think it's *very* important to note that of the many ways they control channelers in the books, cutting off their hands is never a thing they do. There's even a form of control that *incidentally* will cause hands to curl up/seize up sometimes, and it's never noted this would interfere with channeling directly. The obvious conclusion via omission is that cutting off an Aes Sedai's hands just wouldn't be all that effective. Very likely anyone who decided to do something genius like 'cut off Aes Sedai's hands, burn them at the stake' would find out that a sister in the absolute peak of distress and danger can still weave effectively enough to either protect themselves or suicide destroy everyone around them (as everyone around them is posing a mortal threat to them at that moment).
Not needing your hands to weave in the books isn't entirely true. While there is nothing about using The Power that inherently requires hands motions. (and when a certain character loses a hand they can still use The Power just fine) It is explicitly stated that the first way you learn a weave becomes your default and that learning another way can be nearly impossible. It is also stated that if you learn to do a weave with hand movements those movements become as integral to the weave as the flows themselves, and that most Aes Sadai would be unable to throw a fireball if they were unable to make some kind of throwing gesture with their hands.
So while, no, you don't need your hands to weave the power, an already exhausted Yellow Sister is unlikely to be able to do much to defend herself without them.
But ma son!!! Had me full on asphyxiating, laughing so hard Subscribed.
I came across this little gem when I was reading an article on Brandon Sanderson and Judkins disagreeing on the direction of the show: "Recently, Judkins revealed that he asked Game of Thrones creators David Benioff and D.B. Weiss for advice, which showed that he understands the importance of the series to the fantasy world."
Hmmm, yeah.....you might want to re-think asking those two for advice, pal....
now you need to make a shirt with "mah son!" printed on it
"mah son" and just an ominous whirlpool below it lol
Done over 100 foot cliff jumps myself when I was younger. The walls are only supposed to be 100ft
Shad for episode 1 you did a “what’s wrong with the series” kinda video, would be awesome to do a segment of “best of” or “best changes from the book”. That said Shad I think you are doing the best job of remaining neutral and fair to the show 👍👍
For the jumping thing, Perrin is ta'veren so probability manipulation. As for Moiraine they also have their own version of the void that can keep away pain and temperature.
The issue with the ferry is an issue in other areas, and I'm sure we're going to see a lot more of.
It's where the writers come up with a plotline destination and insist on making it happen, no matter what. They go from point A to C, and just force point B to exist no matter what.
"they shouldn't feel worried, none of them have sons." nailed it.
Regarding the Whitecloaks:
1. It would have been awesome if they had armor, but we all know that those doesn't work in movies..
2. In regards to Aes Sedai finding protocols.. In the books I believe it is really uncommon for them to get their hands on one, and trying to see if they can lie or not would make sense - if you believe in their vow not to lie. I'm quite sure that the Whitecloaks sees these Aes Sedai claims that they don't lie as PR bs.
Even if they don't believe it, it would still be prudent to do it anyway, it costs nothing to try.
For me, the better explanation would be that they would think such a question was insulting.
Moiraine is clearly a noble by appearance, insulting random nobility in a foreign country, not always a great choice.
The show hasn't said this yet and I don't think it is much of a spoiler, but the white cloaks have no authority in Andor, IIRC they aren't allowed to do anything without a local lords permission.
This also leaves quite a big pothole with the burning of the AesSadai that is shown, since it would be very difficult for them to get permission for that.
Of course, the show can choose to give them more power within Andor, but that also opens some plotholes.
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Moiraine could literally just introduce herself and the whit-cloaks would shit themselves.
Her family is extremely powerful, they wouldn't have the balls to touch her, she could probably even get them to escort her if she wanted.
well, here they got their hands on at least seven so unless 3-4 of them were the blacks they should conclude that a quick yes/no question is a good start of the protocol
@@squngy0 in a city environment with witnesses I believe they wouldn't dare do anything but in the woods of some remote area? That is a different story. They have already killed a bunch of Aes Sedais as was shown just before they meet up. So obviously they aren't scared of lonely Aes Sedais.
If they believed in the Oaths they could just ask if they're a darkfriend.
@@squngy0 if they actually believed in the three oaths, then the little tower of cards that is their belief system would collapse. "Are you an Aeis Sedi?" "Yes, and I don't serve the Shadow." "Well.... I guess we have to let her go?"
If Moiraine wanted the ferryman dead she would simply have Lan kill him. Its made very clear in the books that the warders are in no way bound by the 3 oaths and that sometimes they handle things their Aes Sedai can't. I like that they're showing Moiraine is kind and empathetic to the villagers after the attack but singularly dedicated to her goals and she WILL let you die to save the world.
@ 28:57 "They shouldn't feel worried, none of them have sons..." "What???" "But my SON!!!!!!!" "Oh............. ok, I get it... " LOL!!!
I needed this, so thankful for the Knight's Watch doing their thing
Edit: okay didn't think I'd leave this with the knowledge that Oz is the simp at the table...
Before I watch this, I want to say: Oz is 100% correct.
Lan suggests but moraine agrees to go puts up wards
They fast forwarded through Shadar Logoth FAR too quickly, given what happens later in the series.
Shad is right. Rand is justified.
Also... HOW DID NYNAEVE CATCH UP WHEN THEY'VE BEEN RIDING HORSES AND SHE'S ON FOOT!
A fit person on foot can run down horses over a long enough distance. You just can't carry as much as the horsemen though. I think the Romans did this once to a horse tribe, but it cost them a big part of their army when the supplies ran out on the way back..
There are native American tribes that were able to maintain a running speed with horses for miles... Not full speed horses but at a comfortable fast pace...
For future reference Shad, dark coloured horses have black skin and light coloured horses have pink skin. You can generally tell by the colour of their muzzle
In the books the people who lived in the city that is now called shadarlogoth DID go out and fight in the troluc wars. The point of that plot point was that they took it too far they being kinda like the book white cloaks in their fanaticism. Where their battle cry or chant boiled down to “anything is acceptable in defense of the light. Where while Manetheran was a thorn in the dark ones foot. They where like the headman’s axe. Bringing up the idea or notion that how one fights the dark is just as import as fighting the dark one. Though i think it was like 3 lines in book 4 or 5 or at least after that thing with Mat so its easy to forget just wanted to remind ya.
But how elase would they comment on Trump's Wall?
@@Palora01 well.... If you went to Manetheren they would hand you a sword and welcome the help to protect their wall. If you went to Shadar'Logoth they would suspect you of being a darkfriend, cut of your arms and legs and hang you from their walls.
Started with your 2+hr episode 5 video, and now I'm watching all of them... the whole video for each 🤣 time we'll spent while cleaning the house.
I feel they have betrayed the books as bad as Game of Thrones but within the first 3 episodes.
It's a shame the writers kinda forgot they were supposed to make Wheel of Time.
Loved your commentary and your jokes. Thanks so much.
Oh god Shad, no Don't defend the Manetheran Storytime. That scene was a complete atrocity compared to the Original Scene. I think Shad might be under Compulsion.
Narg : "Narg Also have Son..Narg think that man is good father, Man and Ferry Man Talk about How Proud we are of Sons over dinner."
Ferryman Hightower: "Okay...whats for dinner."
Narg: "Your Son.."
Also what about Narg the trolloc. He wait's for rand in his farmhouse after the attack, he talks tries to convince him to talk to the Myrddraal.
It feels like Shad is grasping at straws for the TV series. He loves little nods for the book fanbase the series does, but most of the series is slaps to their faces. The worst part is he even aknowledges the terrible mistakes and still gives a 7 for enjoyment?
You are doing what you said Rand shouldn't do my man. Great analysis though.
I am watching your review of Eps 1 and 2 as well as the "Problems with the show so far" video before I watch it today, it just gets more interesting hearing you talk about it and me knowingthe books already.
The menetheren story is so good in the book and much better than the delivery in the show. This is one thing they should have lifted directly in my opinion or at least as close as possible.
I agree. Even though that part is almost 20 minutes in the audiobook, version I still pull it up and listen to it pretty regularly. The entire thing is just amazing.
They would have lifted the entire books if they had infinite time and infinite money and if they didn't have Amazon excecs breathinf down their necks to make everything at the start snappy and "bingeable"
@@arenkai I didn't realise the speech in the book is as long as it is. Haven't read the books in years.
@@arenkai nah, they would turn it into a treatise about gender and bipocs
"Trolloc's can't talk"
Narg the saviour:
"Am I a joke to you?"
I think because Shad has a already established bond or idea of the characters he might not notice how it seems they are not vary interesting to Nathen and Oz.
Rand's feeling were perfectly proportionate. You should go into a relationship caring with the anticipation you will put your partner before yourself (and they do the same). They have a long history and are on the border of marriage. By the time the show starts they are supposed to be fully, emotionally invested.
If I had been asked to make wheel of time, I would have just cast the whole Two Rivers as Latinos.
Then Rand's paler skin would have been mentioned more often. His height, eye color, and hair color marked him out. Only once is it mentioned that he is paler than Two Rivets folk, but his sun tanned face is just as dark
@@lokdog257 yeah. It would have worked much better.
I think it's worth noting that the Whitecloaks are aware that Aes Sadai claim to not lie, but they don't believe it, and the white cloaks have simply said BS when certain characters who cannot lie claimed things