Panasonic Lumix S5II vs Sony a7IV for Video
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- Опубліковано 14 тра 2024
- Panasonic Lumix S5II vs Sony a7IV for Video
I rented the Panasonic S5II and the Panasonic Lumix 35mm f/1.8 for a little over a week because I wanted to see how it stacks up against the Sony a7IV as a video camera. Let me know what you think about the comparisons. Agree? Disagree? Hate me?
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Chapters
00:00 Intro
01:50 Stability & Rolling Shutter
04:50 How you can improve the a7IV stability
06:19 Can you walk around with the S5II?
07:11 Low Light & ISO
08:50 Auto Focus...A win for Sony
11:08 Image quality & Color Science
13:32 S5II Negatives
14:47 One last cool feature
16:13 Conclusion - Фільми й анімація
FYI the Boost IS mode on Panasonics is meant to stabilize a locked, non-moving shot. Meaning you're just trying to hold the shot perfectly still, as if it was on a locked-off tripod. Using it on walking/moving shots will give intermittent jerks and jumps.
Yes. I think the point I’m trying to show is how much better the standard stabilization is on the S5
@@PhillipRPeck But what you said was by definition wrong. Establization is totally seperate from boost stablization. And both exist seperately. I dont think you turned on boost, as it's actually very noticable, and really impactful for long lenses on stable shots. But it creates jerks on walks (which I didnt see in your sample).
i actuallly havent found this to be the case. I've left it on for long shoots where i'm mainly on gimbal and as long as you're moving as slowly and smoothly and slowly as you really should be to operate the gimbal well without having to stabilize in post, the Boost IS does a fine job of "catching up" and makes things quite a bit smoother in general. I only notice it if i'm moving faster than i really should be for moving shots anyway.
Handheld, yes, it really shouldnt be used for this. But if you're running tripod and gimbal all day, i've found it's shockingly safe to leave on.
In fact, you can definitely use the IS Boost function while moving (not walking, but you can still move the camera like moderate panning). Yes, it will be a bit jerky when you start moving because you’re"unlocking" the frame, but then it will look similar to a fluid head that has been tighten a bit… will still look very stable. But the results are a bit hard to predict as for movements go.. but definitely can be used in some scenarios. Don’t try to walk with IS Boost though!
Nice breakdown! Love the music you used too :)
Omg the noise setting you mention about the S5 completely got meeeeee
Life saver
Thankssssssssssssssssssss
I appreciate your approach to this video. Meaning that it didn’t make me feel bad for owning my A7IV. I love it and I haven’t really had much of an issue with the stabilization but that’s probably because I mostly shoot wide with it, and I’m not moving around much unless I have a specific shot where I need to. I do shoot with a cage and a top handle though so that probably helps.
What an incredibly high quality video. You really do this type of video so well, such thoughtful insight. It was a great edit too.
Thanks!
I agree. I sold my Sony a74 to buy the S5II---NOT sorry! for many reasons. Good review, Phillip, fair and well balanced.
Excellent comparison. Very useful review
Thanks, man. Been wondering about this.
No problem!
Calm no bullshit down to earth! Keep it up and grow! Really nice work.
Thank you for properly showing the S5II’s noise reduction, no other UA-camr I’ve watched has talked about how it’s set to -2 to default on VLOG and most of them just test it with it set to -2 and say it’s noisy without bothering to change the setting.
Lol. They're probably not used to having the ability to change NR settings in camera (cough, cough, Sony)
kudos on STARTING with your conclusion and then justifying your conclusion. I hate when it's left at the end.
One of the best comparison video of a7iv And s5ii❤❤
Great comparison! I switched from Panasonic to Sony a while back but I've always been fond of the video centric features of Panasonic cameras. Sony should listen and implement these features much like how Panasonic is improving their AF.
Thank you! I totally agree
clean comaprison, you have done a great job
Thankjs!
Thanks for the review. It looks like the WB for the ISO tests were extremely different for both cameras.
Yeah I mentioned that in the video. User error!
Great video as always. I have the same issue with that shutter dial, it's really annoying, but overall, I'm using the S5 (original one) and I love it so much. I shoot anamorphic quite a bit, so the ability to monitor in-camera makes a huge difference if I don't feel like throwing an external monitor on all the time. And the Ibis is so much better than my Sony camera. Thanks again for sharing,
Thank you. Unless I'm on a tripod, I find external monitors to be a huge pain so I think all the internal monitoring features on the S5 are a HUGE deal!
@@PhillipRPeck Amen. 😉🙏
Yeah, the shutter dial is too easy to hit. I resolved it by assigning the front button as a function lock and toggle it on after I have my settings and before I begin shooting. Excellent review sir! Following!
Good tip! Thank you 🙏
Nice video thank you!
I don’t understand, do your hands shake with a hangover when you shoot with a Sony? Or were you afraid that you too would get hurt from this stick? :)
I shoot with this camera and my static shots at 55mm turn out quite smooth.
Great Video. Can you adapt your Sony Lens to the S5ii. If so, how would you do this?
Thanks! Unfortunately, no. You can adapt older, SLR lenses do any mirrorless camera, but the mirrorless lenses are not adaptable to other systems
@@PhillipRPeck Got You. I bought 3 of these for Weddings and Events… I have a ton of Canon L Glass that I adapt but saw a few Sony Lenses that I thought may be good to consider.
@@PhillipRPeck not totally accurate but not going to waste the time explaining here. People can do their own research if they really care and are not lazy
@@silbay What's inaccurate?
I have both and, like you, prefer to use the S5ii for video. I prefer A7IV for photos hands down though. Maybe because I’ve used Panasonic since GH1, but I’ve also used Sony since 5N. The feature set and workflow on Panasonic just works for me for video. I can work around the S5ii AF being slightly slower.
I am contemplating between Sony and Nikon cameras. How is Sony A7iv in low light and high ISO performing shooting JPEG and video out camera without post processing? I was looking at DPreview studio shot comparison, and it appears to me Sony A7iv JPEG is losing colors in high ISO compared to other brands.
WHY do you prefer S5ii for video? :)
S5ii IBIS means I can get away with not using a tripod, monopod and gimbal in some circumstances. Imagine how much time that saves? The IBIS is freakishly good when used in a measured way.
When the S5iiX drops next month I'm on it immediately
I hope it sells like hot cakes
Right now I'm using a 5d markiii for photo and a BMPCC6k for video. I'm looking to buy a camera for my own personal use that can do both for weddings either photo or video. Which one of these would you guys choose? I was leaning towards the A7IV so I could get that body and a few lenses and than pick up the FX30 and have two cameras for a video shoot. What's your guys thoughts?
I didn't shoot any photos with the S5II in the little time I had it, so I don't have any insight there. I did own the a7IV for about a year and a half and used it to shoot a lot of photos and video. I'm kind of in the Sony ecosystem myself because of lenses mostly.
Panasonic doesn't have an aps-c lineup of cameras, so if you want to pair the full frame with a crop sensor camera, you'll have to opt for their micro 4/3 cameras. The downside of that is that the lenses aren't compatible, whereas, the Sony e-mount works on both the full frame and aps-c bodies.
I lean Sony just because of the options in terms of bodies and lenses (and autofocus), but the S5II and S5IIX are really amazing so you obviously couldn't go wrong that way.
Stuck pixels are common to see on most cameras except Canon because they more aggressively run pixel remaps I think every 2 or 3 times you power off the camera. My A7iii and A7siii both had stuck pixels. My S5ii had a couple right out of the box so I ran the pixel refresh straight away. That's why it's important to test gear before you use it on anything important.
Thanks for the insights
Good job, i got s5 i the issue it's just focusing, overall it's a great camera
Very thoughtful video. I am surprised that it seems so common for people to bump the shutter dial on the S5 II, since I own an original S5 and I NEVER seem to bump that rear dial. (I have mine set up "backwards" though where the front dial changes shutter angle and the rear dial changes aperture, but still, I never seem to bump that rear dial). Maybe my hands are just small???
Maybe so, or maybe you're more careful! Thanks for the comment
What about battery comparison? I haven't seen anyone talk about battery life and third-party / original batteries between the two cameras.
Set the shutter speed way faster when you do the rolling shutter pan test
So when you freeze the image we can see a clearer distorted image rather than a blurry mess.
Thank you
Yeah, realize that now. Thanks
you have to conferm the autofocus frame on the Panasonic camera, then the autofocus will also lose the subject less!
Nice video well shot and interesting. For me as Sony A7IV user I won’t be rushing out and buying a S5II, not because it’s back camera it’s an amazing camera for the price. It’s because of the lenses there is just so much better choice out there. And you can use the same mount on APS-C and full frame.
Thank you. Definitely a lot to consider aside from any individual camera body
Idk about choice though, the Panasonic is part of the L mount alliance so it’s got a lot of lens choice too
@@nerdynautilus5373 yeah I know but not nearly as many and you do not have the range of cameras with the same mount, so example I can use an A7IV for mostly photography and an FX30 for Video and use the same lenses on both even though different size sensors.
The video features are much better on the lumix S5II and I really like the look. But the lens choice with company’s like tamron and samyang as well as native keep me (plus I don’t want to sell all my gear for a few features that I can get with a monitor).
But if I was starting out again I would go for the S5II.
Thank you so much about pointing out the stuck Pixels. I have the S5 without that issue but I am looking to upgrade to the S5II. Definitely will keep this noted.
No problem 👍
as a long time panasonic user. I've been jealous of sony or canon AF for a long time (specially having a old 6D Mk2 as photo camera) .
But i have to say for broll and stabilisation panasonic is the very best , and best for m4/3 . I have GH5 & S5. And only what was missing on s5 was a good AF .
now with the s5 II it's here , it's way cheaper than sony A7IV. And there is a good choice of lenses (3 years ago i would say Sony > L mount ) but now it's EVEN ! ANd even FD CANON lenses on Panasonic is way better than on Sony imo . (specially with the ibis) . There is a lot of option in L Mount now , some very pricy lenses are a better in Sony (but yeah it's a big budget so it's not really the target . But for a normal quality pro consumer lenses line upt it's even now .
FOr the price you have a very good video camera with a good AF now so you can pick a good lenses S5 II + 1 Good lens vs Sony A7IV body.
And I've never understand Low Light test it's like so useless. Only dual iso is relevant , if you plan to use more than 6000 ISO (it's just a matter of having 1 led and it's enough ) .
Catalyst prepare (paid version)workflow sucks but it dose stabilizes very well. I have heard some say it degrades the quality of the video but don’t know if that’s true
It has a lot of export options that should keep the quality of the original detail the same. I wish it weren't so expensive!
Hey Philip, having used both the FX30 and S5ii, which one would you choose given the option? Interested to know as I'm trying to make this decision currently
If you can live with less than perfect autofocus, then I think the S5II offers the most bang for the buck. At this point, it might be worth waiting another month and change for the S5IIX if the additional capabilities of that camera are important to you.
@@PhillipRPeck Thanks man, leaning that way for the IBIS and general look of what comes out of the S5ii, honestly.
Boost IS is meant for tripod like shots, not movement
I’ve heard others say you can adjust catalyst browse. I’m not sure how it all works though
Yeah, I think I may be incorrect in the video. Catalyst Browse is a bit of a mess
Great video.. Phillip. Only thing I wish for both these cameras to have 4K 60 no crop. I am coming from a fuji and all I want is full frame in all 4ks. May be I am waiting for an S1 M2 or something.. 👍
a7S3 or FX3!
@@PhillipRPeck need to save up.. 😃👍
I borrowed s5ii from my friend for testing my canon lens.I tried my canon lens tamaron brand 24-70 2.8 it was not compatible with s5ii it didn't allow me to change the aperture and it was autofocusing very funnily on the wall art instead of human face I even tried to manually point the focus but it was locked on to the walls. another lens I tested my canon 50mm 1.8 It was a hassle to focus sometimes it focused sometimes it didn't and the backbutton focus didn't work properly. my canon100mm canon24-105 worked well I have to try my canon70-200 tomorrow
bad ring adapter. And mostly it's a new camera with a new AF system so either wait for firmware update or for a new adapter ring that it's directly fit for S5 II new AF system.
Very useful analysis about the 2 cameras, that really helped me. Just wanted to point out one thing here about the video:
2:43 You were speaking to me (audience) directly, then a moment later you are talking to somebody else (as you cut to the other angle). This is distracting and even shocking here (unlike movies where 2 characters talk to each other and editor cut to different angles to serve certain well thought out purpose). It is not needed when someone presents to the audience only. Sorry if I seem to be nitpicking, or sound overly pedantic.
It wasn’t a problem for me.
Worried about the rolling shutter... I guess previous A7Sii models for video on which my heroes made amazing content had rolling shutter though so shouldnt be too debilitating. I would get a7siii / fx3 but i really want photo capability too. tough choices
Yes, rolling shutter has been pretty common for a long time and people have been making really great stuff anyway! There are always compromises so we just have to make the best decisions that we can
Please do A7S III vs SIIX (when it comes out)
A7S3 is a low light monster.
@@Dexxter_slav I wonder how it will compete with S1H II
@@gurugamer8632 both cameras have different use case. You are comparing apples to oranges. They are not eachother competitors. Also, the sony does 4K120 but has just 12megapixels. It's mainly a video camera
Hey i m from india i just want to know your video shooted on which camera and lense
The main camera angle is the Sony a7SIII and Sony 35mm f/1.8. The second angle is the Sony FX30 and the Sigma 50mm f/1.4 DGDN
now when limix s5-2 with 50 1.8 costs 1700$ on B&h there is no brainer . the best camera
What is the difference between Auto-focus Continuous (AFC) and Auto-focus Single (
AFS)? .... My S5ii behaves in same way in both the modes? ... Also, in Human priority mode, it tracks human body, but if something e.g a shoulder or hand comes in the front, it will focus on the hand, even if the hand is not covering the face. This is one of the biggest drawback for keeping the face in focus.
Not sure why AFS behaves like AFC. The AI definitely struggles to stick to a subject. It’s not as advanced as Sony that’s for sure
1:20 Which camera and lens is this?
Sony FX30 and Sigma 50mm f/1.4 DGDN
Can S5IIx be used as a webcam?
I mean USB, not HDMI out.
I think so. That's supposed to be one of the differentiators between the S5ii and iiX
I still don't understand why Sony, Canon Nikon don't have open gate options. It's not even some kind of crazy ask. The sensor is already capturing that info....just give us the option to get it open gate. Even if you don't have IBIS in that mode just give us the damn option with whatever limitations their are. Heck my iPhone has open gate video recording using third party app which gives over a 4k video image that is very good.
Agree! I imagine Canon and Sony are trying to segment their offerings and not cut into sales of more expensive cameras. But what’s Nikon’s excuse?
Face it, Sony and Canon have been spoon feeding us with video options. They don’t want to cripple their upper pro video camera market. The S5II in 6K open gate using a Sirui 50mm 1.6X anamorphic lens offers a 2.4:1 CinemaScope image that’s incredible. This gives a approx. 32mm field of view, but with the bokeh of a 50mm. Hopefully the S5XII may address some of this new release quirks. I have one order, so I’ll know in a few months. Having said that, any day now the announcement for the S1H MKII is coming and we’re hearing it’s packed with goodies including 8K. I’ll pick that up too. I’m still a fan of the original S5 which the image looks incredible. The tell you the truth, you really can’t go wrong with any of these cameras these days.
@@BNC593 Worst is what Canon did with the R5. Back in 2020 people discovered Canon's overheating protection had nothing to do with the camera's internal temp and it was just firmware limitation which Canon finally removed after a few years(ironically well after the R5C was released). Let me put it this way....R5 can also do 8k 60fps at least in limited time but they have it restricted to firmware. No reason why it can't....same processor as R5C....just the fan its missing so it wouldnt be able to do it as long.
@@BNC593 to be fair a lot of these companies did the same thing. panasonic themselves gimped the s1 to protect the s1h for years. remember that firmware for the s1 that gave 6k and anamorphic back in 2021? panasonic had paid options in the past as did nikon. what we are now seeing is companies are all being more competitive and now giving this for free.
The IS is just so much more nicer on the S5II
Can you really get 24 fps instead of 23.98 on the s5?
Yes
@@PhillipRPeck how? On mine it says “24” but then in the record quality info it says 23.98.
I think you have to set the system frequency to 24hz. It should be an option in the wrench menu. Sorry I don't have the camera anymore otherwise I'd tell you exactly where it is
@@PhillipRPeck I’ll give it a try!
Yes you can on the S5II. It has the normal 23.98 and 24.00 (for film) Not many cameras near this price range have this ability. I have no idea why.
y all want a handheld stabilized video? get an action cam instead😅
Filming in higher bitrate does fill up the cards more quickly, but the files are actually way more easier to edit as they are less compressed. I.e. XAVC S at 200 Mb/s is tougher to work with whereas XAVC S-I at 600 Mb/s is a breeze to edit.
I think I said that... but if I didn't, yes, you're correct!
Please do s5ii VS the new sony ZV-E1
I have Sony, Sony IBIS sucks...compared to the best IBIS in Lumix. period.
examples of video af and problems that Lumix has its not enough .
I came from the gh5 switch all my cameras to Sony because of low light and autofocus... the lesson that you need to learn as business owner when you do anything like this research. Is redundancy and workflow.. each year a camera brand comes out with new model that's either better or worse... I switched because of A1 and A7s3... these cameras are the upgrade that the switch allows me... S5II and gh6 etc have different lens mounts etc. so... If i stay with sony all lenses work with each other with the cost of features but low light and autofocus is better and I have higher redundancy than someone with 2 different camera brands! I highlight recommend sticking with 1 brand no matter if better or worse to safe money! and most of all time and errors you can not train 2 people to help you shoot with you gear when they have to learn 2 camera menus..( you get the point) all this only matters for people who do video as business never thought about it myself after switch from canon to sony to panasonic back to sony lol
Absolutely
@@PhillipRPeck sorry for the spelling and grammar errors also good video! Love that stuff! I wanted the s5ii over the fx30 but it didn’t make sense to switch back to Panasonic again lol the struggle!
@@Fitzaey No problem. Your points came across fine. The struggle is real but all these cameras are pretty damn good nowadays
I have both cameras, the S5II has really better IBIS, it has 6K open gate and almost as good AF in video. But the detail rendering is bad with most profiles in low light, too much sharpening and chroma noise reduction, the A7IV is way better, even my S5 (the first) is better. This is very disappointing.
In V-Log the rendering is better but noisy for low light shooting.
That's interesting. I didn't try any of the other profiles. There are so many noise reduction settings, I'm surprised that you can't dial it in to your liking
@@PhillipRPeck Yes there is now way to disable it even when NR is set at -5. Fine details look mushy in low light, big difference even compared to my S5.
I've made some video about the issue.
Have you tried Canon R6 II
@@ExploreThroughMe No, I only have Sony and Panasonic cameras but I'm very tempted to try Canon. For me Panasonic has no longer the lead for image quality in low light because of too much image processing but they still have a way better IBIS than Sony, so maybe Canon is the answer.
I am contemplating between Sony and Nikon cameras. How is Sony A7iv in low light and high ISO performing shooting JPEG and video out camera without post processing? I was looking at DPreview studio shot comparison, and it appears to me Sony A7iv JPEG is losing colors in high ISO compared to other brands.
S5ii kill all A7 series
yah for the 1st PDAF lumix camera its very superb😅 how much more in the future