What Is The Legion Of The Damned? (Ft. Oculus Imperia) - 40K Theories
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- The Legion of The Damned is a group of mysterious, spectral Space Marines who appear suddenly and unbidden during the most dire of situations. But just what exactly are these strange and otherworldly warriors?
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The dreadnought of the legion of the dammed still serve the emperor even beyond ÜBER death.
Proof that Kaldor Draigo wasn't kidding about the SuperWarp.
Wait hold up---
*Legion of the damned dreadnoughts are a thing?!?!?!?!?!!!!!!!*
there are even LotD vehicles like Land Raiders
@@BroadwayNPO I knew about the land raiders, and think I saw a thunder hawk, idk if it was official or not, but I hadn't ever heard or seen a LoTD dreadnought.
Legion of the Damned Dreadnoughts were certainly a thing back in 2nd edition, back when White Dwarf printed an entire LotD army list for you to use.
The embodiment of "Even in death, I still serve."
In Dedicato Imperatum Ultra Articulo Mortis.
stop appearing everywhere
@@cloaker2829 **Taps you on the shoulder**
Potentially made up of the various astartes betrayed on istvan?
@@nikik5567 That's what's implied by the scene from Master of Mankind. As I've said elsewhere, though, I personally don't believe this is a TRUE manifestation of the Legion, more of a 'conceptual' manifestation.
“For The Emperor, Beyond The Point of Death.”
The legionnaire the Ventris was looking at was captain Titus coming back to bitch slap leandros
"So now that I'm a Space Marine, I pledge my service to the Emperor which ends only at my death?"
"Yes but no."
Read the small print. Almost dead wins a loyal warrior a shiny coffin that is mobile lethile and hostile. Dead or more remands the faithful soldier to the warp and counted among the duties served. Held in perpetual reserve to be rudely awakened and unceremoniously booted into the midst of a blistering firefight. Not even granted the luxuries of a ball scratch or deflating that unwieldy morning wood. One is granted a badass flaming aura, however.
@@bignasty4874 And you never need to reload, that's pretty fun
@@Dragonspirit223*envious ork noises*
I usually go with the idea that they’re the emperor’s own”daemons”.
yeah ive always liked the idea that the LOD are all daemon princes of the god emperor, when a marine dies and cant be intombed in a dreadnought but his spirit is indomitable enough he continues to fight, that is when he becomes a legionair
@@flavortown3781 lesser daemon yes, a daemon prince of the big e will be a living saint
I think the same and also that Living Saints such as Celestine, are Imperial Greater Daemons
yeah with living saints being the demon princes and greater deamons
@@rd9603 But is Sly Marbo also a daemon prince\living saint of the Emperor?
The Emperor: "I am not a god!"
* procedes to summon an army of ghost Space Marines *
And you thought Barry Boneraiser only existed in Skyrim...
He wasn’t a god, just a giant immortal man radiating a brilliant light that can blind those that see him, walking around in his giant suit of golden armor and seeing into the future. Totally not a god.
They are Ghost Rider Marines. Needless to say, they fit RIGHT IN the universe of Warhammer 40K.
@ボイス Umm....YES! That sounds awesome.
Cosmic Ghost Rider... 'nuff said.
@@wojo44frompl Yes
All they're missing is the penance stare.
Underrated comment!
No matter how often the Hereticus Inquisitors shout “Heretic!”, they will never claim their pride, for the Ordo Theoreticus always protects its allies within the Logos Historica Vertia!
Prize...
@@kelman727 Darn autocorrect... Oh well, having OH Inquisitors lose their "pride" is a win too! ;D (Might as well keep the error for the giggles.)
It's widely believed across the Imperium that the Emperor cares for the souls of the dead. It's hardly unimaginable that Big E might choose to select a few of these souls - the strongest, most stubborn, most loyal, most skilled of his Astartes - and grant them a portion of His power. It's not that different from when He grants power to His Living Saints. It's similar to when the other Chaos gods create Daemon Princes, just perhaps of a slightly lower order. Living Saints would be Daemon Princes (or Princesses, given that they're generally gorgeous young women), while the Legion of the Damned would be more like lesser daemons.
Personally, I'm also expecting the Legion to get some Imperial Guard support troops soon, charging heedless into battle wearing the uniform of lost Cadia. The planet may be broken; the Guard isn't.
Seeing bloody Cadians among their ranks would be utterly sick. Showing defiance even in death, showing that Cadia truly will never fall. Plus imagine Legion of the Damned Kasrkin that would be the absolute pinnacle of being badass
@@JJumper8888 okay but imagine the look on the black legions face when they see that the world they broke has raised the very souls of the damned to hunt them down
Personally, I'd be more terrified of Damned Kriegsmen running headlong into enemy lines, gas masks wreathed in flames (as they normally do), yet not falling down when shot or scattered when an artillery shell detonates in their midst. Like, imagine a Kriegsman who has to fight *that much harder* to die in battle.
@@lonespartan3209 That would honestly be the ultimate disrespect straight to their faces when they though they destroyed them showing that Cadia truly will never fall
@@Blaergh big oooff that would be the true definition of terror seeing undead kriegsmen running bathed in flames towards you
The "ghosts of fallen Astartes summoned by the Emperor" makes the most sense. How else would you explain them showing up at the time when they're needed the most?
Tzeentch
The fact that some of them leave behind war gear used by the Fire Hawks and banners OF the Fire Hawks says otherwise.
@@Darth1Marik Just as planned
Who says the fire hawks are the only chapter that can be a part of the legend of the damned
@@murderouspillowgaming9001 I mean other legions probably can too but so far no legion has suffered the fate of being exposed to the warp the way the Fire Hawks were. Again the war gear and banners they leave behind are all Fire Hawks and no other legions gear of banners have been left by the Legion of the Damned.
Istvaan was a massive emotional moment , victory , betrayal , blood lust , fear , rage .....I can see that being a scar that could make the Legion it would make Sense.
Not to mention the effect so much emotion and so many falling would have on the warp. Given that it is the realm of souls, the countless thousands that fell so quickly would have been huge but I doubt warp predators and daemons could have gotten to all of them
See i always thought the The Legion of The Damned could of come from the II & XI Legions, trying to prove themselves to the Emperor.
"We don't talk about those legions!"
"But why?"
"We Don't Talk About Those Legions!"
and the one true unsolvable question needed to be asked?
which of one the 2 lost primarchs could be in command of the damned?
@@michaelolmos8257 The Doom Slayer.
This makes sense
I came up with a theory just yesterday at work, about something similar to the lost legions, but it evolves around The Rangdan Xenocides. In my theory, while in the midst of purging the murderous Rangdan, the lost legions, led by their respected primarchs, plunged into the depths of one of the Halo Stars. There is where one of the Primarchs discovered an unknown Chaos artifact, (due to the Rangdan nature- probably Khorn.) In that moment, it instantly possessed him, and became a Chaos Daemon. The possessed Primarch summoned other Chaos Daemons from the warp. In shock and horror, the Primarch of the other lost legion ordered some of the remnants of the fallen Primarch's legion to fall back to seek the Emperor, while ordering the rest of the Space Marines to attack and hold off the Chaos horde. During the slaughter, The "Forgotten Primarch" saw his chance, and killed the "Purged Primarch." When that happened, it caused a terrible Warp Storm. When the Emperor and the remaining remnants of the fallen legion came back, it was too little, too late. The warp storm, not only sucked up the Chaos Daemons, but the Forgotten Primarch and a vast chunk of loyalist legion astartes into the Warp. When the Emperor heard the testimonies of the remaining astartes that witnessed the horror. He realised that if this gotten out to other Imperium worlds, or worse to High Terra, that a Primarch fell to Chaos, and another got easily sucked into the Warp along with a good chunk of his Legion, that this would send utter panic amongst his subjects. So The Emperor erased the Astartes' minds, and assigned them into the Ultramarines. He also erased the existance of the lost legions, so no one would discover the horror that happened during the Rangdan xenocides. But the Emperor kept it secret from the rest of his Primarchs that he was still able to communicate with the Forgotten Primarch and the legion Astartes lost in the Warp, and has since called apon the Forgotten legion to help the Imperium when all seemed lost.
Theory 1: these are the souls of loyal marines from a traitor legion. When the traitors purged their loyal kin these warriors gave their souls to the emperor, pledging to fight against chaos for all eternity until they are redeemed. I am drawing on the "damned" element. Marines that became demons of the imperium.
Theory 2: these are the souls of all fallen space marines, and they automatically become demons of the emperor upon death.
Theory 3: they are just regular imperial demons. Cuz ya.
Have at it
Theory 1 will always be my headcanon, in that they are the souls of the loyal space marines killed on Istvaan V. I see the fire that comes from them as being symbolic of the firestorm that Horace used to burn the planet.
@@PolishNomad95 Istvann III actually, Istvann V was the Drop Site Massacre.
wow theory 1 would actually be awesome, although theory 2 seems more likely.
Why not 1 and 2 combined? They don't exclude eachother.
Jackson Worthman I always think it’s both. Both loyal elements of traitor legions, and those legions that were betrayed at the drop site massacre
Possibly a reward for the Sororitas' sacrifice. The "Sunny side Pin-ups" the lord has promised.
if we go by religious symbolism, I like to think the Legion of the Damned represent Old Testament Angels, horrifying and absolutely unsettling in appearance but resolute and noble in the duties they perform, as such a single Damned Legionnaire in the Perditions Flame audio drama ended up destroying the Penal legion ship it was on as it had absorbed the psychic essence of psykers of the Inquisitor kept trying to use to restrain it that it became an intense inferno as it slaughtered an entire boarding force of Nurgle cultists and plague zombies. While the Living Saints such as Saint Celestine and Saint Sabbat represent the New Testament Angels, more human-like, beautiful visions of holy purity and yet still extremely powerful and all encompassing performing deeds that a normal human would consider impossible such as bringing dead or wounded Guardsmen back to full vitality and wreathed with golden light.
That's a very interesting thought.
I think if the warp entities are shaped by human thoughts, beliefs, and emotions- there are some who imagine the Astartes as the embodiment of the Emperor's Wrath- destructive angels of death. They appear out of nowhere, laying waste to the Imperium's foes with mind-blowing firepower. That mental image could be ingrained into the psyche of so many people- that the Legion of the Damned is what the Warp farts out.
There are also those who envision sisters as merciful salvation, as many Sororitas outside the Battle Sisters are more like nurses, teachers, advisors, and missionaries and probably have a stereotypical loving, kind demeanor (as much as can be expected in the Imperium, of course). Since so many people may imagine a Valkyrie-esque warrior angel woman, the warp farts out the Imperial Saints. I mean, for all we know Celestine could have had the face of an Ork and Fabius Bile's hairstyle.
...which makes you wonder if what Daemons look like is actually what people have imagined them to be, and that's the physical form the the warp farts out. I mean, if this were true the 'solution' would be to convince everyone that daemons look like marshmallows and are completely incapable of harming people- if enough folks bought into it, well... the Word Bearers would be PISSED at their next summoning.
And since you mentioned Old Testament Hebrew/Enochian angels... I'm almost worried what less-humanoid daemons of the Emperor would look like: A golden Baneblade, made of golden skulls, with a halo that is also a rotating buzz-saw. And no treads, it's a bunch of bare feet wearing toe-rings. Out of the gunner's hatch pops nothing but the laureled head of Steve Buscemi that speaks with the voice of Fran Drescher.
Elijah Herstal I don’t even play imperium and I want to kitbash that angelic/daemonic baneblade now.
@@elijahherstal776 That golden Baneblade with Steve Buscemi as the driver bearing the voice of Fran Drescher...
I think I need to snort some Warp Dust to accurately visualize what you just spoke because that is either the most glorious thing or the most horrifying thing to ever exist.
@@enricopaolocoronado2511 "Yeah, that was my fault- smoked some stuff that'd been in a warp storm and dreamed it up after I ate six boxes of Cheez-its and blacked out."- The Emperor, probably
@@elijahherstal776 "Throne Damn it."
- Some Mechanicus dude.
A bunch of damned badasses is what...
Doomguys. That's it.
of course an aldeari would say they're daemons, because they can't admit Big E beat them to death godhood
I kinda hope Rylanor has become part of this Legion, just so he can continue to dunk on Traitors.
Big E is now perpetually surrounded by hyped up Astartes souls hounding him with pleas of "C'mon coach, put me in. I'm ready."
Glad you covered these guys, they are one of my favorite things related to the power of the Emperor
What I can guess, they are the Emperor's own warriors during his time on the Golden Throne, the skeleton aesthetic of the armor represents the Emperor's dying decaying body and the fire represents the Emperor's psychic fire, EoM sometimes demonstrated that he also have the same effect on him when he is angry or fighting he will burn really bright like a star not to mention that his sword is also on fire. What I can gather they are the Emperor's own army made out of warp energy.
I’m in the camp of the LotD being Imperial Daemons. I wonder though why they would not then assume the form of Custodes as those are supposed to be the ultimate creation of the Emperor apart from the Primarchs themselves.
Operating under the assumption that Daemons are shaped by the collective psychic gestalt of all soul-bearing species in the galaxy, then there is one logical explanation:
Astartes have been a constant, if somewhat distant, presence in the galaxy at large since the Great Crusade began. Most planets have been visited at least once by Astartes; several of them get visited every few generations where their most gifted boys are selected as new Initiates. Anyone could imagine a Space Marine. Everyone has heard recent tales of their exploits. Those imaginations coalesce into the Legion of the Damned. This is doubly so for those who opposed them and had the extreme fortune to survive.
On the other hand, the only time a planet may have ever had a Custodes present for even a moment would have been during the Great Crusade when the Emperor himself came to claim that planet for the Imperium of Man. Custodes make a great point of not leaving Terra unless in doing so they can prevent a direct threat to Terra preemptively. Imperial citizens couldn't even begin to picture Custodes in their minds; they certainly don't have the security clearances to even be allowed to know of the exploits of the Custodes post-Heresy.
Long story short, since Astartes actually interact with the Imperium and the Imperium's foes on a regular basis, they are the shape that all of the faith and fear gathers into in the Warp. Hence, the Legion of the Damned take the shape of Astartes.
I might be misremembering, but during the war in the webway, there were ghosts of ferrus, space marines and custodes who had died to date during the horus heresy. No doubt for every fallen custodes, the emperor save/collects their soul despite chaos' best efforts for a rainy day or to simply empower himself.
Sees the video has Oculus Imperia in it. Hell yeah instant click.
I also like a theory about the Legion of The Damned claiming that the marines themselves have different insignia because they themselves are just products of faith in certain different chapters. As the common imperial citizen rarely sees Space Marines and upon seeing them tend to be struck by religious awe, and probably having the chapter insignia burnt into their memory, which turns into their vision of what an Angel of The Emperor is and as such gain a presence in the warp. This somewhat fits with how some claim that the Firehawks (regardless of whether they perished or not) appear among the ranks of the Legion since they were known to meddle in internal imperial affairs more than most marine chapters.
That would explain why there doesn't seem to be any raven guard ones as they are even less seen by the people than most other chapters
In my head cannon the Legion of the Damned are actually one of the two lost legions. The flaw in their geneseed gives them an unstable connection between real space and warp space.
That's pretty cool but I like these theories
1. They are formed by the imperial citizens collective thoughts on the space marines, with citizens who've actually seen space marines having their insignia burned into their memories, thus contributing the insignia to the legion.
2. They are the souls of the Imperial Guard, PDF, and Space Marines who preformed great deeds on the battlefield and sacrificed themselves to achieve victory.
@@jaypea30 Yeah, but making the LotD one of the lost legions makes a lot of sense lore wise. I mean their Primarchs didn't just go missing, the Emperor had their entire existence stricken from all records like he was trying to cover something up. And what's the ONE big thing the Emperor tried to keep from his sons more than anything else?
What if maybe the lost Primarchs and their gene-sons were able to phase between the warp and real space and in doing so saw the Chaos Gods? (After all, Sanguinius did say they had a flaw in their gene-seed they may have gotten them purged.)
One son would curse his father for lying to him and be culled by the Space Wolves, while the other would accept the Emperor's wisdom, leading his legion into the warp to slumber and wait until a time when the Emperor would call upon them.
In my mind I like to imagine they were originally called "The Revenants" legion before becoming the LotD for the manner in which they relentlessly stalk their enemies, never breaking their stride no matter what you fired at them. They would haunt you like an angry spirit, stopping at nothing until they brought the Emperor's Vengeance upon you.
Now, that sounds a lot more fun then just being a bunch of walking thoughts and prayers.
I like the idea of the Legion being made up of fallen marines, because that means, that one day, when Fulgrim reappears he will encounter a Flaming Contemptor Dreadnought ready to tear into his snake ass.
The Ancient of Rites remembers his wound he put onto the bastard and has returned to finish the job
A dreadnought with claws in both arms attached a melta gun and a bolter
With a skull as a face plate
A shoulder with a faded emperor children decale with burnt purple
And Lucius and his warband deal with a counterattack by Legion of the Damned and he has to personally deal with one that's got a burning horsetail mohawk on his helmet trying to cut him with a chainsword with burning teeth, also it blocks all of his attacks until he gets a stab in his chest. One problem though, the Damned Legionnaire grabs him by the throat and chucks him back into a noise marine one handed, sword still in his chest and you can hear a voice hissing from his vox grille saying "You won't get away with that a second time, brother".
YO RYLANOR IS ABOUT TO GET HIS REVENGE : D
If the Legion of the Damned were ever divided up into successor chapters, would one of those chapters end up being called the Chapter of the Darned?
I would say bring back the Legion of the Damned models or new sculpts but they would cost £100000000 so actually GW don't bother............ Shame!
The thing is that there are so many marines kits now that it wouldn't be useful to make the legion a new line.
Wonderful video. I always enjoy hearing Oculus, Rem, Baldermort and Rho on one another's channel
I think Legion of the Damned is the Loyalist version of Rubric Marines...
Several books have stated some encounters with the Legion in some cases have left behind war gear. Weapons, bolters and even the banner of the Fire Hawks.
I prefer the theory that the Legion of the Damned is formed by Astartes, who were corrupted by the Chaos but the God-Emperor was able to redeem during their permanence in the Eye of Terror and turned them in what they are now: a legion of daemon-like Space Marines
A very highly underrated narrative from both here.
Tinfoil Hat Time:
Legion of the Damned are the remnants of the Eleventh Legion. The Eleventh Primarch was Malice, who sought to use chaos power in order to defeat chaos (against his father's will). Malice manages to achieve godhood, and the Emperor punished him by falling damning the souls of his now-demon Marines, and wiping him from all history. He can't draw power from cults if no one knows his name to worship him. And so there are only like six people left in the universe that still know the truth. The Legion has been forgotten even by reality at this point, and only when the Emperor is desperate does he allow himself to remember them and summon then into existence for aid, only to return to the void when they are no longer needed.
I came up with a theory just yesterday at work, about something similar to the lost legions, but it evolves around The Rangdan Xenocides. In my theory, while in the midst of purging the murderous Rangdan, the lost legions, led by their respected primarchs, plunged into the depths of one of the Halo Stars. There is where one of the Primarchs discovered an unknown Chaos artifact, (due to the Rangdan nature- probably Khorn.) In that moment, it instantly possessed him, and became a Chaos Daemon. The possessed Primarch summoned other Chaos Daemons from the warp. In shock and horror, the Primarch of the other lost legion ordered some of the remnants of the fallen Primarch's legion to fall back to seek the Emperor, while ordering the rest of the Space Marines to attack and hold off the Chaos horde. During the slaughter, The "Forgotten Primarch" saw his chance, and killed the "Purged Primarch." When that happened, it caused a terrible Warp Storm. When the Emperor and the remaining remnants of the fallen legion came back, it was too little, too late. The warp storm, not only sucked up the Chaos Daemons, but the Forgotten Primarch and a vast chunk of loyalist legion astartes into the Warp. When the Emperor heard the testimonies of the remaining astartes that witnessed the horror. He realised that if this gotten out to other Imperium worlds, or worse to High Terra, that a Primarch fell to Chaos, and another got easily sucked into the Warp along with a good chunk of his Legion, that this would send utter panic amongst his subjects. So The Emperor erased the Astartes' minds, and assigned them into the Ultramarines. He also erased the existance of the lost legions, so no one would discover the horror that happened during the Rangdan xenocides. But the Emperor kept it secret from the rest of his Primarchs that he was still able to communicate with the Forgotten Primarch and the legion Astartes lost in the Warp, and has since called apon the Forgotten legion to help the Imperium when all seemed lost.
Ah yes, the always steadfast Oculus Imperia.
Been subscribed to him for a good while now.
Does that mean Ferrus Manus was one of those ghostly Warriors summoned by Emprah? He died on Istavaan 🤔
yes actually. The emperor summons him specifically during his fight in the breached Webway. He is also wreathed in flames.
wardogs667
He sends a psychic projection shaped like Ferrus. Not confirmed it’s actually him.
@@kelman727 It would be better if it was Ferrus, as a sort of primarch to the Legion of the Damned and to symbolize the literal burning vengeance both him and the Legion have for the enemies of man, especially for Ferrus' fury against Fulgrim during Istvaan
@@dontmindme3794 i wonder how the iron hands would react to thos
kelman727 it’s as close as can be had. Still counts
As a 40k novice who just sticks with the lore and not table top, what was the "star wars episode 4" of 40k. The first actual 40k universe content. Then you get prequels, sequels, spinoffs, etc. But what was ground 0 for 40k?
That would be the original Rogue Trader game, which basically makes up the 1st and 2nd Edition. It is vastly different from modern 40k and much more goofy.
"inquisitor obiwan sherlock clousseau"
The 40K universe was created in 1987 by Rick Priestly when GW decided to transfer it's popular 'Warhammer' rules to a sci-fi setting. The first version was a more RPG-like game called 'Rouge Trader'. This included the seeds of a large amount of today's lore (including a small paragraph mentioning a conflict called 'The Horus Heresy'). A few years later they moved to a game centered completely around tabletop war gaming and called it 'Warhammer 40,000.' Over time this became known as the 'Second Edition.' Many of the ideas and concepts introduced in Rouge Trader were heavily refined and modified to form the true core of the lore of Warhammer 40,000. From then on the universe was tweaked and expanded, but basically stayed in the same place (the closing years of the 41st millennia) time wise. That is, until the close of Seventh Edition, when GW decided to set the story moving forward. Since then the millennial clock has ticked over to the 42nd millennium, several Primarchs have returned, the Warp has opened up like a zipper across the galaxy, and a new breed of Space Marines has brought the fight to mankind's enemies.
If you're asking what the defining historical event for 40K is, it's definitely the Horus Heresy.
...and Matt Ward is the Jar-Jar Binks of 40K.
3rd Edition really is ground zero for modern 40k, the stuff before is better characterized as precursors and trial runs.
Rogue Trader, and 40k's Empire Strikes Back moment would be 3rd Edition which sort of set the universe in flakey stone
Oculus Imperia on 40k theories?! sign me up baby! good work guys
I like the idea of some righteous agents of retribution. So I’m gonna say the legion of the damned are a combination of the restless souls of the Istvan III becoming the Emperor’s demon army and a mixture of them getting reinforcements with the emperor plucking the fire hawks out of the warp. I personally feel the Legion is going to be joined soon with Cadian reinforcements. Could you imagine the ground opening up in front of you as demons are about to charge your line, and as the ground splits you hear the sound of millions of marching boots followed by the command fix bayonets.
the Emperor is becoming a god of order, and assembling his warp bound legions from the souls of those who even in death have an unbroken will
A very old awesome video as always 40k Theories, and thank you Oculus Imperia for helping 40k Theories.
I agree with the assessment that they're the the souls of Adeptus Astartes that
Have fallen in battle only to be reborn to ride with the Emperor in battle forever!
I think the legion of the damn are the embodiment of the beliefs of the everyday human on the imperium. The emperor's angel's is a common thing among regular humans and a rare sight. What if the legion of the damned is a form of deamon based off of how humans of the imperium view them. Sorta like how the chaos gods was created just focused on "the emperor's angel's" instead. Might be crazy just thinking instead of big E making em it could of been humanity that made em without knowing
Now I wonder will there be a guard “regiment” of Damned in the future that combine many different fallen guards.
I think it will be the army of the damned with how many of em die
"So we're undead spectral daemons, eh? ...Emperor be praised, I can kill SO many more daemons this way."
I always liked the idea that they represent the slain of Istvaan III and V, come to get revenge on the traitors who slaughtered them. And perhaps they were augmented by the fallen of the Imperium's fallen astartes since then as well.
if the legion of the dammed are beytrayed space marine ghost i take majority of them would be lamenters or the 2nd or 11th legion
This is such an awesome collab great work guys! Great way to start my Monday 😁
Can we just appreciate the formality of Oculus Imperia?? So formal🙂
Honey! It's 1 am! Time for your yearly legion of the damned video!
To be real, given the lack of any solid information / evidence, the Legion of the Damned are exactly whatever the future writers of 40k lore/stories need them to be.
Normal Astartes: Only in death does duty end.
Legion of the Damned: Amateur. Do you require your blankie? Perhaps a warm cup of milk and a fresh diaper?
"The Lost and Forever Damned", referring to either the 2nd or 11th legion. Perhaps this was the fate of one of the missing legions, to forever bear the burning shame of their fall from the Emperors grace and seek recompense through eternal service in His name? Just a thought.
i enjoyed this. legitimately sounds like a scholar recording a log for his professors. yes.
Was just thinking about this today. Also the Grey Knights.
Thinking what? Great job being vauge af.oh thanks for telling us you were thinking about them. Don't know what we would have done without that nugget.
Maybe the common belief and faith in "the angels of death" by the imperium also gives them form, much like the belief in the Emperor?
I want Stephani Swan Quills to do an entire audio book series.
Nice work on this Oculus Imperia
Grand Notifacatus reporting in , My Lord Inquisitor!
Ordo Nihil Notificatus reporting in
Surprisingly because I didn't get a Notification for this vid lol
Great video!! Thanks for the info!
Fell in love with them when I read Baal. And they just keep getting cooler
Love the presentation of the theories here
Fantastic collaboration
Notification recieved, my lord inquisitor.
Great episode!!!👍🏼
In my opinion, the legion of the damned are a very specific group of space marines.
I dont think they are the lost fire hawk chapter, nor do I think they are selected from the badest of the badasses who die in battle.
they are the legion of the betrayed astartes on istvan 3 at the very beginning of the horus heresy.
Soldiers who fought to the last man despite knowing that they could do nothing to either stop or convince their battle brothers. Who were heartbroken in betrayal from their own brothers and primarchs.
These astartes on istvan 3 embodied humanities futile struggle against the absolute power of the warp. And it only suits them to serve humanity in that end.
Mad love and respect to you both for your awesome work!
Nice, two of the best lore masters combined.
I love how the knife ears always think they're right. Even when they're not. 👍👍👍 Great work as always.
Good to hear this crossover; well done!
GREAT.
Thank you both.
When you hit a 40k Theories video without really looking and find Oculus at the head of the Adeptus Bamboozleus.
Personal headcanon is that they are daemons of the emperor, like the living saints are.
I see them as big E's deamons. His physical body acts as an ancor for them to spawn throughout the imperium without much issue, while his spiritual body gathers strength and the soulsnof his fallen sons to create more in the warp
Excellent Video 👍.
I absolutely adore seeing the parallels between the God-Emperor and the Chaos Gods. Seeing how he isn't... really that different from them, in that it's not only the Dark Gods that can spawn Daemons that carry his will.
I doubt that we'll see any major changes if this information became more widespread, if the Inquisition would ever let that happen... but just imagining the sort of shock some of the Imperials would feel, realizing that their god does similar things to that of the Dark Gods. Makes it much harder to see him as better than the others.
2:44 - Even a Plague Marine would be outmatched? | The Emperor Protects! | 16:20 - (monotone) All hail the Ultrasmurfs.
The ultramarine reference is just the blue boys claiming everything badass in the 40k galaxy is somehow a member of the smurf army..
plus we all know ultramarines never loose so how would there be fallen ultramarines?!
Regardless of the particulars of how the legion of the damned came to be, it seems clear that they are either birthed from, or individuals consumed by the imperiums own psychic gestalt.
As to the particulars one slightly novel explanation for this(slightly because someone else in the comments already mentioned the idea) is that they might have begun as an imperial version of rubric marines. How could this be though? Imagine that there were a cursed founding loyalist chapter descended from the stock of Magnus the red. This chapter might have seemed to have a stable gene-seed, but underneath they carried 2 legacies: a subtly protean genetic code leaving them open the the flesh change and a link to Ahrimans rubric. But shouldn't they have been just turned into rubric marines if they were sons of Magnus? Here's the thing though: they didn't *know* they were related to Magnus, and neither did the thousand sons.
As crazy as it sounds, when it comes to the warp, something like that may very well matter. Symbolism matters, and the fact that they weren't symbolically linked with the thousand sons might have caused the affects of the rubric to be negated, diminished or altered. Symbolically they are linked to the imperium by more than just being space marines. They are wreathed in flames, which in the imperium represents the purification of that which was once unclean, and they are also undead. Undead, much like the Emperor himself. Further the Emperors state is symbolically representative of the imperium itself:static, stagnant, agonized, frozen in the moment before complete death and clinging to an existence that can in no way be described as life through sheer force of will.
One can imagine a situation where these marines find themselves at once beset by foes(probably demons) and forced to fight a doomed battle, not only against the manifest foes before them but also against the voices whispering into their souls and even their own traitorous flesh. So full of faith, hate and determination were they that their will to keep fighting itself became manifest as a flame, a flame which eventually consumed them body and soul.
yay i've being waiting about the legion of the damned for ages
Last time I was this early the WAr in heaven had ended
Lovely to see a crossover between your two channels. I think one or both of you might also benefit from a loyal servant, a Baldermort servo-skull, perhaps? :)
Great video.
Holy demons of the emperor, of course.
Oculas Imperia is the best. Great video
i have a theory about the legion and that is that they are the souls of fallen astarties and guardsmen who is fueled by piece of the emperors rage and fury
I like to think they're a descendant chapter of the Sons of Horus who wish to return to the fold of the imperium but know that they will never be trusted or even forgiven, so they use their Warp-based powers to try and slowly build up a name for themselves that will enable them to return one day.
Spaces Marines + Ghost Rider
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Legion of the Damned
This is the collaboration we’re looking for
Great video, i have the space marine battles novel and the anthology. They appear to time travel strong evidence suggests that they are the missing Fire hawks such ass bodies in stasis coffins with equipment issued to fire hawks plus at another site a banner - the gnarled chapter flag of the Fire Hawks - and inscribed upon it was the motto (For the Emperor beyond the point of death). As well as the banner there was a recorder and sundry other sealed items.
I like the idea of them being summoned by emperor or manifest from his power and they are ghost of fallen. Be cool if they fleshed it out and had them fighting with the emperor as he battles chaos in the warp- like a the wild hunt thing or twist on Valhalla
Thanks for this video. The legion of the damned is one of my faves, going all the way back to 1st edition, rouge trader rule book.
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Never really thought about that one it's the ghosts of the betrayed marines from the drop site massacre
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The legion of the damned are just a legion of future ghost riders without bikes
i remember once seeing a comment suggesting that Ferrus Manus leads the legion of the damned and that idea is just too awesome to put away (what with the first rule of 40k being the rule of cool). i love the idea that Ferrus Manus was _SO_ pissed off at Horus and Fulgrim that, even dead, he refused to stop fighting. with power that only a primarch could hope to wield (on top of having a very organized/single-minded personality, which would help in resisting the temptations of the gods), his soul gathers the fallen dead when and where he can, and gives them a chance to fight on. we know the emperor can do it. why not his sons?
honestly, aside from just being cool, it would give Ferrus Manus the chance to be interesting for once. his personality is basically that of Dorn, except he's got metal arms. this way, GW could bring him back as a bad-ass reveal for the loyalists, but since he can only materialize when its absolutely necessary, he wouldn't be OP for the lore like bringing back others primarchs would be.
Always glad to see this entry updated. Still don't agree with the 'Master of Mankind' thing, but it's part of the 'theoryscape,' so I just have to accept it's presence.
Awe yeah a sweet treat
Dope cross over.
The Doom Slayer the Legion of the damned and the Grey Knights all head for the Eye of Terror.
me: UwU
Don't forget demonic batman corvus corax
Well nevermind, he is too busy trolling lorgar
The black Templars would want in on the fun and to meet their new chapter master!
@@primusstar5995 small as a guardsman, yet his ferocity match that of a black templar, will as strong as that of a grey knight, clad in armor worthy of Astartes and armed by an array of weapons that would allow him to take on an army by himself.