4:46 Very simple technical explanation. This game, just like Mario 3, uses a special chip which gives the game the ability to scroll horizontally and vertically at the same time. Due to the way the hardware is designed, it can't load the color palette for the next screen for both directions at the same time off-screen, so one of them is displayed on-screen.
You don't see it? It might not have been noticable back in the day on old TVs since they would have cut if off, but it certainly is now. I actually really like it, gives the game that typical NES look.
The bar on the side of the screen is an artifact of the NES' when the screen could scroll on both the X and Y plane. Normally it was hidden by CRTs' cutoff edges, but modern displays show the flaw.
Actually, I think it has something to do with special hardware instead that allows the HUD bar to be rendered at the bottom of the screen; the same issue appears (more famously, in my opinion) in Super Mario Bros. 3, which I believe DID use special hardware for the HUD.
@@Roboat06 And both of those games, in my opinion, are the 2 best games on the NES. They both pushed the NES hardware to its limit! And they both are 2 of the larger (file size-wise) games on the system.
"I don't understand why Meta Knight is on the cover of Nightmare in Dreamland when he plays such a little role in the actual game." Probably because there is a complete new mode, Meta Knightmare, which sees the player play the entire game again, but as Meta Knight.
@@Mqstodon he isn't important. He's like a bonus character if anything. This would be like mario 64 having Yoshi on the cover art because when you 100% complete the game you can finally meet him ontop of peachs castle. So people would have to spend the entire game wondering where yoshi is until the very very end lol. Would have been better with King DeDeDe in the background on the cover. Because atleast he's the main villain that's causing the "nightmare" in dreamland
Mike Abbo don't see why the game needs to be compared to similar titles of its age. I was of the impression that this video series is to judge if the original game has aged well and if the remake addresses the issues the original game has. Addressing issues like the different float, ability mechanics, or ability aesthetics for instance seem very relevant especially for players unaware with the games in question considering the way the video is structured.
Not really. They're different styles Adventure - Nightmare in Dreamland - Amazing Mirror - Squeak Squad are fast paced and the abilities feel more unique. SuperStar (Ultra) - Return to Dreamland - Triple Deluxe - Planet Robobot are slower and is more about picking a favorite ability, and the levels are more gimmicky. Dreamland Series - Kirby 64 are unique titles that have a different approach in terms of direction and tone. I'd say that Nightmare in Dreamland, SuperStar Ultra and Kirby 64 are each "style"'s peak.
I totally agree, especially considering that the future games took inspiration from the past games, such as Kirby's Adventure. They had more time to evaluate themselves (as designers) and make some fixes in order to make the future games better. For that reason, I do not think it is fair to compare an older game with a more recent one in the same series.
As a kid I remember completing the NES version at 100%. I used to literally erase it and just do it over and over again, because I could never get enough of it. Lol
Complaining that you lose an ability when you get hit in a kirby game is like complaining that you lose your fireball/cape or shrink when playing a Mario game, or lose Diddy/Donkey in a DKC game. How much more hand-holding do you need?
That's what this whole game was. Nintendo wanted to capitalize on the popularity of "Right Back At Ya!" and didn't want to take the time to design a new game from the ground up. The fact that they never mentioned this was a remake in any of the marketing was a little shady, too.
Too bad the show isn't canon anymore. Because they could've included more interesting characters from it. And no, those three characters that cameo'd in mass attack don't count.
I don't think losing your ability when hit is a bad thing at all, it just gives you extra incentive to not take hits since the game's pretty easy and you won't die often. It's like the sword beam in the 2D Zeldas.
I was with you until you mentioned the sword beam. I hated how easy it was to lose it in the original Zelda. It made a huge difference whether you had it or not. You didn't have any other sword move but the dinky little stab that I always found hard to use. Now, after you get to Link to the Past and beyond, the ability to hold out the sword and do the spinning slash are good enough that the sword beam isn't as important, so I don't mind there. Same with Kirby. He's got a lot of moves, so I don't mind that you use your copy ability with one hit. Especially since you always have a chance to grab it right back.
You do an awful lot of comparing to Super Star. I thought this was a video about how well the REMAKE is compared to the original? At this rate it honestly feels more like Egoraptor's old "Sequelitis" videos.
I think the losing the ability when you get hit is not a negative. It means you have to be careful if you have an ability you like. Kirby is an easy game but having it does add a small level of tension to it. That you can't just completely turn your brain off and that messing up does have some consequences.
MetaKnuxXbeats I couldn't agree more. Though I will be getting Nightmare in Dreamland on the Wii U VC so I don't need to get another GameCube & the Game Boy Player to play it on the TV.
Losing the copy ability when you get hit is a key aspect of the game. It makes it more challenging, especially when trying to unlock secrets that need a specific ability.
In case you missed it, folks, I did upload an apology regarding the storm of notifications you folks received around this time last week. ua-cam.com/video/KpC7hOp0TLs/v-deo.html After I heard how upset you guys were, I knew I owed you folks a review. This one's been in the works for months, thanks to college and everything else, so I hope you guys enjoy it.
1. Exo are you going to do that ROR of Super Mario 64 that everyone has been asking for? 2. Exo are you going to do a ROR of Kirby Superstar next? 3. I'm not to sure this counts as a remake but Exo can you maybe do a ROR of the Rom Hack Sonic 1 Remastered?
I honestly don't really like how you constantly compare flaws from the NES game to the improvements made in future installments, as it's really not too fair. Comparing it to the Remake to see which version is better is perfectly fine, but it's not entirely fair when you complain about issues with Kirby's Adventure to the improvements made in Super Star or something. It's kinda like complaining about how Pokemon Green is significantly worse than Pokemon Moon, as it's kind of obvious that the newer games are technically more advanced and play smoother.
Myzma After watching this, I agree. Nightmare in Dreamland is a remake of Adventure, not the sequels. Complaining that it’s not a complete overhaul that brings in every improvement from later games is missing the point. It did improve the controls, visuals, added new content, and if Exo treated this like his other critiques, this would be a replace. But he just got on this weird tick of “It’s too much like its source material! What is this, a remake?”
So if I was to, per say, explain how A Link to the Past improved a lot on the original Zelda formula that’d be a problem to you? Obviously most new games in a series improve upon the old ones (with some exceptions,) but it’s not fair to point out flaws from a past game even if it is fixed in a new installment? It doesn’t make sense to me. You can still point out flaws in old games in the series that may have been fixed later as is the point of game analysis/criticism.
Awesome that you're going to do SS vs SSU. I personally think Ultra is a Replace with the only downside I can think of is that co-op requires two copies of the game.
Austin I personally consider SS the Super Mario World/Link to the Past/Super Metroid/Sonic 3 & Knuckles of the Kirby series: the game that really laid the foundation for the franchise.
@@beta511ee4 And you don't realize how Adventure was the first game in which Kirby could use his copy ability and how that set the stage for future games, obviously?
4:47 its a limitation of the nes. Every game that doesent have this, cant scroll in 2 directions at once. In mario bros 3 you can scroll up and right at the same time. Same with kirby. The nes didnt have enough ram to store the whole stage in vram, so the stage is loadet as soon as you scroll to it, but that interfears in the colour pallet so you get some artifacts.
Great review. BUT I did have ONE PROBLEM that ruined the experience. WHY DIDN'T YOU MENTION LEVEL 7-6? THE BLACK AND WHITE LEVEL? IT PANDERED TO MY NOSTALGIA AND YOU DIDN'T EVEN MENTION IT!!!! HOW COULD YOU, EXO!!! XD Gr8 video, m8!
Also, the Purple Switch side quests are pretty sweet. Maybe that's why this game is my favorite in the series. Then again, I didn't play much of the later games.
Carlos Eduardo Aguiar Dude, I had such a Dream Land 1 boner when I got to that level. I was so rock hard my dick could split diamonds just from seeing that callback level I like it when there's a small flashback in games.
No mention of how Nightmare in Dream Land replaced the rotating Butter Building segments with fog? Nitpick, I know, but why would they replace such a cool effect?
Right! I grew up playing Nightmare in Dreamland not knowing it was a remake. Loved it, still do! I recently got Nintendo Switch online and thought it’d be cool to experience the original, and this was one of the things that surprised me so far. Cool effect!
One thing I’ve noticed in both Super Mario Bros. 3 and Kirby’s Adventure is that the colour palette seems to lag behind and changes before it’s offscreen or onscreen. I always found it really distracting when playing those games.
I think the NES version has crisper visuals. the GBA's look muddy and the foreground/background don't stand out enough. Also the Midi compositions in the GBA version have low quality audio and don't do justice to the melodies of the NES songs. The GBA one plays better.
Tye muddiness could come from this game releasing before the GBA SP and being made for the darker less saturated screen of the original GBA, just like Mario Advance 1-3
I really like the fact that the game has few moves per ability. It makes each one have its use and I often find myself struggling to keep the same ability for too long. Way more fun than how current Kirby is just waiting until you get sword and never changing it Losing an ability after getting hit is great too because you often will have to either adapt fighting styles mid boss fight, or risk more damage by chasing your ability. Again, way more interesting than wailing away with all of the I-frames that sword gives you
honestly, i felt like exo was way too used to how the recent kirby games played, and that was a reason for his complaints on getting hit while attacking, because in adventure and nidl, the attacks come out a lot slower, so you cant rush as how you probably would in super star or rtdl.
The GBA box art and the title is supposed to reflect the anime style of the companion anime show, Kirby:Right Back at Ya! Thats why Meta Knight is on the background. I like the way the box art always reminds me of the anime since have heard of it. The developers at Hal Laboratory had an option of making a totally new game, but to make a good one that coincided with the anime's release, the developers decided to do a GBA remake of Kirbys's Adventure because the GBA button layout would make the control game play of SNES Kirby games like Kirby Super Star complicated.
Interestingly, Kirby was always pink and happy in Japan, as seen in the box art. White Kirby and angry-eyes Kirby were NA box art changes made probably because marketing thought pink and cute wouldn’t sell in NA as well as a gender-neutral color and “cool”.
dude i was sleeping on kirby, and how i regret it! I downloaded every single rom, and will enjoy a kirby marathon durning this quarantine xD Such polished games! They absolutely stand ouy from other games on their respective consoles, are absolutely gorgeous and looks super fun to play too. Also thanks for your amazing reviews. its nice to have such quality content.
+matthew dunn I do that for all of these videos. It's a review segment first and foremost. When I say "how well does the original hold up today?" answering that entails some comparison to the games to come.
The "weird bar" on the left side of the screen is a feature of the NES's graphics processor that intentionally prevents pixels from being drawn to the leftmost 8 columns of pixels. This restricts the viewport by one "tile", thereby making it possible to do four-directional scrolling using only one of the four background segments. Suffice to say, it's available and employed for the purpose of saving video memory.
Does anyone else find it odd how people are usually quick to point out that Kirby tends to be on the easier side of things, but then dismiss challenges in the games? For example, dropping your power up is not pointless in the original or the remake. Kirby tends to be easier so adding a challenge of having to re-obtain your ability adds difficulty to otherwise not so hard games. It encourages you to get good enough to avoid as many hits as you can. It feels great to make it through levels without losing your power. Also, I found the extra mode and Meta Knight mode of Nightmare to be decently challenging when I last played them. Only having 3 hits makes the game so much harder, and yet people don't seem to appreciate a legit challenge like that where you have to get good at the game but still love to bring up how "Kirby is easy". Sure, the original might have some more lag, but I found it to be a fair challenge in Nightmare. Also, the boss rush mode is a challenge as well. Do people not appreciate a legitimate challenge in Kirby at all? Maybe these two games' boss rushes go a bit too far, but people love Super Star's arena mode for instance.
It's just annoying and not particularly challenging outside of a singular secret where you have to take a hammer through a watersection. And VS boss, besides being way overdone, is very much tanked by Meta Knight existing. Even if he has any sort of rhyme or reason to what he does, then he leaves so little room for reaction that it may as well be entirely random. People say that Magetrio in Star Allies Soul Melter EX is poorly designed, but that fight actually has a method to the madness, while this fight is just balls.
You can beat the quick-draw mini game on modern TVs if you abuse the rewind function on Nintendo Switch Online. Same goes for the crane game if it cheats you out of a big Kirby.
11:09 A few questions: What does the sleep ability do? I tried to make use of it many times, but it does not do anything. Where on earth do you see/get the wait thing? I didn't even see it in the game when I was playing it. What in the world is that last 'ability'?
I See You The Sleep ability forces you to stay still for a few seconds while Kirby goes to sleep. The "Wait" ability icon is used in the pause screen for a player if said player disconnects in multiplayer mid-stage. The "ファイヤー/Faiyā" ability icon goes completely unused. It appears to be a test icon.
Having delayed attacks is not a flaw. It means you have to choose your attacks well rather than just spamming them. You can get used to the delay and just attack earlier. You should never be running into enemies after a bit of practice.
My big issue was the lack of the cool spinning effect for some of the butter building stages. That sucked and surely could’ve been done, perhaps in a cool pre rendered style... I’d be good with less detail though, too.
4:53: Megaman games will sometimes have artifacts like that as well. It's an artifact of how tiles work in the NES, and wasn't supposed to be visible, on a standard CRT they would be within the overscan area, which is not typically visible.
There is another version of Kirby's Adventure to consider; the 3D Classic version for the 3DS. It rips the graphics directly from the NES game, but it puts all the background and foreground art and stuff on different layers, which you can view if you turn 3D on. And its GORGEOUS.The only other change I think they made is in the boss rush, where you get healed after defeating Heavy Mole, just in time for Meta Knight and Kind Dedede. Ignoring the GBA remake, I'd consider the 3D Classic version a Replace for the NES one.
I always thought the redundant copy abilities were because the NES only had one button to map abilities to, but now I realize FireBall could have been Fire while dashing and Freeze Ice while crouched.
Let me recap this video for you: "This second ever kirby game doesn't have all the standard features that would be implemented in later games. I just don't know why they didn't use they're clairvoyance to see that they'd be good features to be implemented in this game."
My first time playing "Kirby's Adventure" was almost fifteen years ago when my best friend in real life was able to find a copy for his NES, and I ended up buying "Kirby: Nightmare In Dreamland" for my Game Boy Advance after Christmas that same year. :D
Did... he just spend 10 minutes, almost half the video, going back and forth complaining about the "difficulty" of the first game, just going on about 6HP and dropping your weapon? You said that. You said that. You.... Department of Redundancy Department.
The best update from Kirby's Adventure to Kirby Nightmare in Dreamland is that stairs level you showed on 20:00 minute. On the last set of stairs, it is a pain in the butt to find that black rectangular door on a dark blue background on Kirby's Adventure. For Nightmare in Dreamland version, the door has a clear border around it.
There's actually a reason for Nightmare in Dream Land's box art. It's taken from the anime, Kirby: Right Back at Ya! In fact, if you look closely at Meta Knight, you can see that they may or may not have forgotten to erase some of the show's background.
I just played through this one (NES version) and I know what you're talking about with the controls feeling unresponsive. What I think is going on is that Kirby has animations for the various things he does (jumping, landing, attacking, getting hurt etc.) that take up a certain number of frames, so he can't do something new until he's finished the animation for what he's currently doing. And the way the game seems to handle this when it comes to player inputs is very strict: if, for instance, you hit the attack button when Kirby's just landed and is still in the "landing" animation, the game will ignore the input, even if there's just a few frames left of that animation. This leads to a lot of situations where you take damage or fall in a hole and go "I swear I hit the button!" You have to get used to waiting to input the next thing you want Kirby to do till the moment after he's finished his previous animation, as opposed to the game just cancelling the previous animation for you or queuing the new action behind the current one.
Kirby's Adventure NES was the first Kirby game I owned, though I had played Dream Land before. I always found it easier to play through the game without using any copy abilities since the suck ability mostly had longer range and a wider cone than most abilities, and pretty much got the job done no matter what you were up against. It did mean you had to wait for bosses and mini bosses to use certain attacks before you could damage them, but it was safer to keep your distance the rest of the time. I always found the beetle harder than the turtle for some reason. I think it was because the bugs you could suck up moved slower than the turtle's suckable, leaving you more open to an attack. I only ever used abilities in spots where I needed them to reach an item or button, but always grabbed the UFO because it was deliciously OP.
Awesome RoR as usual Exo. Nice to see you finally getting a break to chill out. Have a nice break and can't wait for your Super Star and SSU RoR. That's when things get great.
That bar on the side of the screen is due to the fact that Kirby's Adventure features both vertical and horizontal screen movement, most notably in the stage select areas. Mario 3 has the same thing in its levels.
Literally right in the middle of the episode I said to myself, "I hope one day we get an ROR on Kirby Super Star/Ultra." Exo, you're the reviewer that keeps on giving! Thanks!
For boss endurance Kirby nightmare in dreamland shouldda added an easy mode where u can get health in between battles and classic mode if u wanna play without extra health
Now catching up on these two kirby reviews, and I'm happy that you covered the remake and original game. I grew up with NIDL as a kid, not knowing it was even a remake to begin with, so when I played Kirby's Adventure on the Wii VC I had massive Deja Vu. After playing both versions for the past decade, I've leaned a bit more towards NES Adventure due to the art style and also the fact that I think Kirby and the Amazing Mirror was the better Kirby GBA game.
4:46 That is an issue with SMB3 and Kirby's Adventure where there are, in some cases and almost all the time in SMB3, there is diangnoal scrolling, causing that glitchy bar near the left.
He should lose the ability when he gets hit. The game's easy enough already. I think they also wanted this so people are more likely to try other abilities.
You should mention that despites the gba’s more capable system, they removed the rotational towers in the gba version wich is a shame. Also those backgrounds don’t fit well with the frontgrounds in the gba version but i guess they did this with the dark non backlighted lcd screen in mind to make it more playeble on the gba. I stick with the original.
I have almost no interest in playing either of these games. Maybe one day, but everytime I try to go back I just get caught up thinking "Why don't I just play Superstar Ultra or Triple Deluxe?" Not saying they're bad games at all. Kirby is usually a fun time. I just don't care at all. Gudo video!
+KingK I get ya, fam. That's why I don't understand how undisclosed brother can say this is his favorite one when he’s played Return to Dreamland. My pick is Planet Robobot, personally
Original Mario 64 all the way - because the controls on DS are broken - and you can't tell me that the 3DS/New 3DS fixes it, because THE ACTUAL GAME WAS ONLY PROGRAMMED FOR THE 8 DIRECTIONS OF A D-PAD - rather than an analogue stick.
Great video Exo! Keep up the great work. I look forward to the next ROR. Also sorry if this sounds selfish or bitchy or whatever, but do you take requests? I have a few that I think would be decent Ideas. And do Remasters count (Ratchet and Clank PS4 and DOOM 2016) or just remakes specifically?
+Kirbonic Pikmin Ratchet and Clank is shoo-in. My roommate, mistertitanic, has a PS4. Plus, I think I posted a kind of snappy comment at you once for asking about whether I set my Naughty Dog editorial to private. You used to have an Olimar avatar, I think? If that was you, then I apologize. You were just asking a simple question, after all.
ExoParadigmGamer I never used an Olimar avatar, I've only used a Sans one before this as far as I recall, so it couldn't of been me. I always did wonder why some of your videos couldn't be seen anymore, I just figured you weren't proud of them anymore, so I left it at that. And alright, by shoe in, you mean just there right?
ExoParadigmGamer Oh, alright, my bad. Misinterpreted that. Well, Kirby SS Vs SSU, Yoshi's Story, and Mario 64 ROR, I'm looking forward to what the future of your channel holds, I started watching around summer of 2015, with your DKC3 Review, and I've enjoyed just about all of you videos, so keep doing what your doing. And do you think you'll look at the Crash Bandicoot N.Sane Trilogy after it comes out whenever it does?
I don't really care for Crash, is the thing. If I did ROR episodes I'd have to fully complete the games, and I hate box gems far too much to bother with that.
Well alot of the visuals come from the fact it was a late even post life NES game. The SNES was already out. By this time they had access to both experience in NES hardware, and special chips for inside the cart itself were probably cheaper and more developed, I'd be shocked if they weren't using some extra memory. Even had battery save.
4:46 Very simple technical explanation. This game, just like Mario 3, uses a special chip which gives the game the ability to scroll horizontally and vertically at the same time. Due to the way the hardware is designed, it can't load the color palette for the next screen for both directions at the same time off-screen, so one of them is displayed on-screen.
mario64remix I don't exactly get what he means by this "bar". It feels so superfluous to complain about.
You don't see it? It might not have been noticable back in the day on old TVs since they would have cut if off, but it certainly is now. I actually really like it, gives the game that typical NES look.
Also note that on Mario 3, it actually happens at the right side of the screen, but in this video the graphic to indicate it stays on the left.
this guy marios
bagelmaster8, are you saying that... I'm Mario? :P
The bar on the side of the screen is an artifact of the NES' when the screen could scroll on both the X and Y plane. Normally it was hidden by CRTs' cutoff edges, but modern displays show the flaw.
Kitsyfluff Not all CRTs cut it off
Well it does the same thing with the nes bootleg verison of super mario world.
Actually, I think it has something to do with special hardware instead that allows the HUD bar to be rendered at the bottom of the screen; the same issue appears (more famously, in my opinion) in Super Mario Bros. 3, which I believe DID use special hardware for the HUD.
I was just going to say that same exact thing, and you are indeed correct.
@@Roboat06 And both of those games, in my opinion, are the 2 best games on the NES. They both pushed the NES hardware to its limit! And they both are 2 of the larger (file size-wise) games on the system.
"I don't understand why Meta Knight is on the cover of Nightmare in Dreamland when he plays such a little role in the actual game."
Probably because there is a complete new mode, Meta Knightmare, which sees the player play the entire game again, but as Meta Knight.
he says this before talking about the game though, it's clearly intentional
Ok but he's still not important to the game tho?
Now I'VE found out why he's on the cover.
@@Mqstodon he isn't important. He's like a bonus character if anything. This would be like mario 64 having Yoshi on the cover art because when you 100% complete the game you can finally meet him ontop of peachs castle. So people would have to spend the entire game wondering where yoshi is until the very very end lol. Would have been better with King DeDeDe in the background on the cover. Because atleast he's the main villain that's causing the "nightmare" in dreamland
Yes
gotta say it seems a bit unfair to compare kirbys adventure to future games like robobot, return to dreamland, and superstar
It's fair to compare it to Superstar.
Mike Abbo
don't see why the game needs to be compared to similar titles of its age. I was of the impression that this video series is to judge if the original game has aged well and if the remake addresses the issues the original game has.
Addressing issues like the different float, ability mechanics, or ability aesthetics for instance seem very relevant especially for players unaware with the games in question considering the way the video is structured.
Not really. They're different styles
Adventure - Nightmare in Dreamland - Amazing Mirror - Squeak Squad are fast paced and the abilities feel more unique.
SuperStar (Ultra) - Return to Dreamland - Triple Deluxe - Planet Robobot are slower and is more about picking a favorite ability, and the levels are more gimmicky.
Dreamland Series - Kirby 64 are unique titles that have a different approach in terms of direction and tone.
I'd say that Nightmare in Dreamland, SuperStar Ultra and Kirby 64 are each "style"'s peak.
I totally agree, especially considering that the future games took inspiration from the past games, such as Kirby's Adventure. They had more time to evaluate themselves (as designers) and make some fixes in order to make the future games better. For that reason, I do not think it is fair to compare an older game with a more recent one in the same series.
the real problem is just they do it so much..
As a kid I remember completing the NES version at 100%. I used to literally erase it and just do it over and over again, because I could never get enough of it. Lol
Complaining that you lose an ability when you get hit in a kirby game is like complaining that you lose your fireball/cape or shrink when playing a Mario game, or lose Diddy/Donkey in a DKC game. How much more hand-holding do you need?
A lot apparently and its not like Kirby is a super difficult series.
The elephant, Phan-Phan, was added to tie into the show.
Kenpokid4 He would then appear in Super Star Ultra.
That's what this whole game was. Nintendo wanted to capitalize on the popularity of "Right Back At Ya!" and didn't want to take the time to design a new game from the ground up. The fact that they never mentioned this was a remake in any of the marketing was a little shady, too.
Kenpokid4 Yeah I will admit the way they handled him in the show was interesting.
Garbage Turtle did the same thing and he was worse. I remember that under water fight with him. That was awful.
Too bad the show isn't canon anymore. Because they could've included more interesting characters from it. And no, those three characters that cameo'd in mass attack don't count.
I don't think losing your ability when hit is a bad thing at all, it just gives you extra incentive to not take hits since the game's pretty easy and you won't die often. It's like the sword beam in the 2D Zeldas.
I was with you until you mentioned the sword beam. I hated how easy it was to lose it in the original Zelda. It made a huge difference whether you had it or not. You didn't have any other sword move but the dinky little stab that I always found hard to use.
Now, after you get to Link to the Past and beyond, the ability to hold out the sword and do the spinning slash are good enough that the sword beam isn't as important, so I don't mind there.
Same with Kirby. He's got a lot of moves, so I don't mind that you use your copy ability with one hit. Especially since you always have a chance to grab it right back.
Who the hell do you think you are?
You do an awful lot of comparing to Super Star. I thought this was a video about how well the REMAKE is compared to the original? At this rate it honestly feels more like Egoraptor's old "Sequelitis" videos.
in later RORs he states how he looks at how the game holds up to today and to his standards though i somewhat agree
9:58 "also the ball sucks"
BEST QUOTE OF ALL TIME
9:59 Ball is actually BROKEN if you know how to use it. unfortunately, I don't.
so is throw
how do you even use ball lol all you can do is just hold b to bounce higher
I think the losing the ability when you get hit is not a negative. It means you have to be careful if you have an ability you like. Kirby is an easy game but having it does add a small level of tension to it. That you can't just completely turn your brain off and that messing up does have some consequences.
I agree. even though I prefer Nightmare in Dreamland, I feel like both game should be looked at for comparison or if you want a good time.
isnt nightmare in dreamland on wii u?
I drew this pixel Squirtle In fact, yes, yes it is. you can download it in the E-Shop.
NICE!
MetaKnuxXbeats I couldn't agree more. Though I will be getting Nightmare in Dreamland on the Wii U VC so I don't need to get another GameCube & the Game Boy Player to play it on the TV.
Losing the copy ability when you get hit is a key aspect of the game. It makes it more challenging, especially when trying to unlock secrets that need a specific ability.
It's annoying as shit and they knew it, there's a reason why it never came back
Exo, if that DS capture card was so expensive then why were you sitting on it?
Was...was it comfy?
In case you missed it, folks, I did upload an apology regarding the storm of notifications you folks received around this time last week.
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After I heard how upset you guys were, I knew I owed you folks a review. This one's been in the works for months, thanks to college and everything else, so I hope you guys enjoy it.
1. Exo are you going to do that ROR of Super Mario 64 that everyone has been asking for?
2. Exo are you going to do a ROR of Kirby Superstar next?
3. I'm not to sure this counts as a remake but Exo can you maybe do a ROR of the Rom Hack Sonic 1 Remastered?
ExoParadigmGamer ExoParadigmGamer will u do a ror on Mario 64 ds , final fantasy 1 , doom :2016 remake , and/or ducktales remastered ,
Exo, will you do a ROR on X, Y, or Z?
In all seriousness, one of your questions is answered at the end of the video, Manny. SM64 is in the works as well.
Damieon Cormier aka DynastyLobster I wouldn't mind an ror on any final fantasy game tbh
I honestly don't really like how you constantly compare flaws from the NES game to the improvements made in future installments, as it's really not too fair. Comparing it to the Remake to see which version is better is perfectly fine, but it's not entirely fair when you complain about issues with Kirby's Adventure to the improvements made in Super Star or something. It's kinda like complaining about how Pokemon Green is significantly worse than Pokemon Moon, as it's kind of obvious that the newer games are technically more advanced and play smoother.
No, hes not comparing them really. He is just explaining if the remake is as good or an improvement of the original
Myzma After watching this, I agree. Nightmare in Dreamland is a remake of Adventure, not the sequels. Complaining that it’s not a complete overhaul that brings in every improvement from later games is missing the point. It did improve the controls, visuals, added new content, and if Exo treated this like his other critiques, this would be a replace. But he just got on this weird tick of “It’s too much like its source material! What is this, a remake?”
So if I was to, per say, explain how A Link to the Past improved a lot on the original Zelda formula that’d be a problem to you? Obviously most new games in a series improve upon the old ones (with some exceptions,) but it’s not fair to point out flaws from a past game even if it is fixed in a new installment? It doesn’t make sense to me. You can still point out flaws in old games in the series that may have been fixed later as is the point of game analysis/criticism.
@@buttermilkjesus408 ....that is literally what a comparison IS.
Are you dense?
But that’s what this series is about
Awesome that you're going to do SS vs SSU.
I personally think Ultra is a Replace with the only downside I can think of is that co-op requires two copies of the game.
Austin Wow, somebody thinks exactly like me?!
Austin I personally consider SS the Super Mario World/Link to the Past/Super Metroid/Sonic 3 & Knuckles of the Kirby series: the game that really laid the foundation for the franchise.
Austin And he actually gave it a replace score.
@@beta511ee4 And you don't realize how Adventure was the first game in which Kirby could use his copy ability and how that set the stage for future games, obviously?
J.J. The Great Yeah, I know. I’m just talking about what I consider to be the pinnacle of the franchise.
4:47 its a limitation of the nes. Every game that doesent have this, cant scroll in 2 directions at once. In mario bros 3 you can scroll up and right at the same time. Same with kirby. The nes didnt have enough ram to store the whole stage in vram, so the stage is loadet as soon as you scroll to it, but that interfears in the colour pallet so you get some artifacts.
Great review. BUT I did have ONE PROBLEM that ruined the experience.
WHY DIDN'T YOU MENTION LEVEL 7-6? THE BLACK AND WHITE LEVEL? IT PANDERED TO MY NOSTALGIA AND YOU DIDN'T EVEN MENTION IT!!!! HOW COULD YOU, EXO!!! XD
Gr8 video, m8!
Also, the Purple Switch side quests are pretty sweet. Maybe that's why this game is my favorite in the series. Then again, I didn't play much of the later games.
The Side Quest Gamer
I imagine playing that game for the first not expecting that coming.
Carlos Eduardo Aguiar Dude, I had such a Dream Land 1 boner when I got to that level. I was so rock hard my dick could split diamonds just from seeing that callback level I like it when there's a small flashback in games.
The Side Quest Gamer
I kinda felt the same way in the Earthbound Room in Mother 3 or the FF6 reference in Undertale.
Carlos Eduardo Aguiar I've played both of those games and I don't remember thos refs at all, where in the games are they?
He loses his copy ability when he's hit for the same reason Mario loses his power-up when he's hit. Come on.
Mario only has one hit point, though. Kirby has 6
@@marx4538 git gud as they say
@slug milk
did get good, taking everything back now
@@Yoyoitsyoji But you have the chance of getting the ability back.
well in the future kirby games won't always lose copy ability
No mention of how Nightmare in Dream Land replaced the rotating Butter Building segments with fog? Nitpick, I know, but why would they replace such a cool effect?
Right! I grew up playing Nightmare in Dreamland not knowing it was a remake. Loved it, still do! I recently got Nintendo Switch online and thought it’d be cool to experience the original, and this was one of the things that surprised me so far. Cool effect!
One thing I’ve noticed in both Super Mario Bros. 3 and Kirby’s Adventure is that the colour palette seems to lag behind and changes before it’s offscreen or onscreen. I always found it really distracting when playing those games.
I put so many hours into Nightmare In Dreamland as a kid. It's one of the best the GBA has to offer.
I never even knew nightmare in dream land was a remake! It was the first kirby game I ever played.
Pat Lund Same here!
Same here!
Same!
Me to m8 but it was as soon as possible until I realized this
Same thing too.
Being "nothing" is not an ability.
it is if you are a 30 year old man who lives in his moms basement
@@MyDbzfan9000 That made me laugh way harder than I should've have
@@MyDbzfan9000 Funny...
same thing with normal
When I was playing extra mode in nightmare in Greenland I was saying in my head every time I died or got hit "what that was bullcrap"
Massive nostalgia rush when I heard Nightmare in Dreamland’s version of the title theme
11:11 lol the placeholder at the bottom right
I think the NES version has crisper visuals. the GBA's look muddy and the foreground/background don't stand out enough. Also the Midi compositions in the GBA version have low quality audio and don't do justice to the melodies of the NES songs. The GBA one plays better.
Tye muddiness could come from this game releasing before the GBA SP and being made for the darker less saturated screen of the original GBA, just like Mario Advance 1-3
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO KIRBY FUCK YEEEAAAUUUUGH
NickonAquaMagna fawfuls minion?
On 11:13 on the corner is some unused Kirby ability with Japanese text and some badly drawn Kirby breathing fire
Kirby: Nightmare in Dreamland sounds like it has a better name than Kirby Adventure.
I really like the fact that the game has few moves per ability. It makes each one have its use and I often find myself struggling to keep the same ability for too long. Way more fun than how current Kirby is just waiting until you get sword and never changing it
Losing an ability after getting hit is great too because you often will have to either adapt fighting styles mid boss fight, or risk more damage by chasing your ability. Again, way more interesting than wailing away with all of the I-frames that sword gives you
honestly, i felt like exo was way too used to how the recent kirby games played, and that was a reason for his complaints on getting hit while attacking, because in adventure and nidl, the attacks come out a lot slower, so you cant rush as how you probably would in super star or rtdl.
The GBA box art and the title is supposed to reflect the anime style of the companion anime show, Kirby:Right Back at Ya! Thats why Meta Knight is on the background. I like the way the box art always reminds me of the anime since have heard of it. The developers at Hal Laboratory had an option of making a totally new game, but to make a good one that coincided with the anime's release, the developers decided to do a GBA remake of Kirbys's Adventure because the GBA button layout would make the control game play of SNES Kirby games like Kirby Super Star complicated.
Interestingly, Kirby was always pink and happy in Japan, as seen in the box art. White Kirby and angry-eyes Kirby were NA box art changes made probably because marketing thought pink and cute wouldn’t sell in NA as well as a gender-neutral color and “cool”.
0:46 when the teacher ask you where is your homework.
dude i was sleeping on kirby, and how i regret it!
I downloaded every single rom, and will enjoy a kirby marathon durning this quarantine xD
Such polished games! They absolutely stand ouy from other games on their respective consoles, are absolutely gorgeous and looks super fun to play too.
Also thanks for your amazing reviews. its nice to have such quality content.
It's a great video. However I got confused on why you kept comparing the game to future releases rather than each other.
+matthew dunn I do that for all of these videos. It's a review segment first and foremost. When I say "how well does the original hold up today?" answering that entails some comparison to the games to come.
The "weird bar" on the left side of the screen is a feature of the NES's graphics processor that intentionally prevents pixels from being drawn to the leftmost 8 columns of pixels. This restricts the viewport by one "tile", thereby making it possible to do four-directional scrolling using only one of the four background segments. Suffice to say, it's available and employed for the purpose of saving video memory.
Does anyone else find it odd how people are usually quick to point out that Kirby tends to be on the easier side of things, but then dismiss challenges in the games? For example, dropping your power up is not pointless in the original or the remake. Kirby tends to be easier so adding a challenge of having to re-obtain your ability adds difficulty to otherwise not so hard games. It encourages you to get good enough to avoid as many hits as you can. It feels great to make it through levels without losing your power.
Also, I found the extra mode and Meta Knight mode of Nightmare to be decently challenging when I last played them. Only having 3 hits makes the game so much harder, and yet people don't seem to appreciate a legit challenge like that where you have to get good at the game but still love to bring up how "Kirby is easy". Sure, the original might have some more lag, but I found it to be a fair challenge in Nightmare. Also, the boss rush mode is a challenge as well. Do people not appreciate a legitimate challenge in Kirby at all? Maybe these two games' boss rushes go a bit too far, but people love Super Star's arena mode for instance.
It's just annoying and not particularly challenging outside of a singular secret where you have to take a hammer through a watersection. And VS boss, besides being way overdone, is very much tanked by Meta Knight existing. Even if he has any sort of rhyme or reason to what he does, then he leaves so little room for reaction that it may as well be entirely random. People say that Magetrio in Star Allies Soul Melter EX is poorly designed, but that fight actually has a method to the madness, while this fight is just balls.
I'm surprised you didn't talked about 3D Classics Kirby Adventure on 3DS which is great improvement of NES Kirby
Yeah, no slowdown, 3D functionality, and better control imo
Very true. The 3d effect looks very good and the controls and speed and the cute artstyle from the nes version is really good.
You can beat the quick-draw mini game on modern TVs if you abuse the rewind function on Nintendo Switch Online. Same goes for the crane game if it cheats you out of a big Kirby.
I think Meta Knight being on the cover of Nightmare in Dreamland is because of the “Meta Knightmare” mode in the game.
Great to see a new video from you exo !!!!
9:55 "...the ball ability sucks..."
You going for pun or innuendo?
5:24 “As you’d expect on a more advanced console.”
I see what you did there.
Yes, you're back! How I missed these
11:09
A few questions:
What does the sleep ability do? I tried to make use of it many times, but it does not do anything.
Where on earth do you see/get the wait thing? I didn't even see it in the game when I was playing it.
What in the world is that last 'ability'?
I See You
The Sleep ability forces you to stay still for a few seconds while Kirby goes to sleep.
The "Wait" ability icon is used in the pause screen for a player if said player disconnects in multiplayer mid-stage.
The "ファイヤー/Faiyā" ability icon goes completely unused. It appears to be a test icon.
7:14
Did that Waddle Doo just commit suicide?
11:09
My 2 favorite abilities: the wait and bootleg ability
Mines are the stone, UFO, tornado and backdrop ability
7:47 Not better than ''Normal'' or ''Nothing'' tho.
Having delayed attacks is not a flaw. It means you have to choose your attacks well rather than just spamming them. You can get used to the delay and just attack earlier. You should never be running into enemies after a bit of practice.
In so many years I never, NEVER found myself forgetting I had an ability in NES version
That line is the screen wrapping horizontally and even the original Mario did it
My big issue was the lack of the cool spinning effect for some of the butter building stages. That sucked and surely could’ve been done, perhaps in a cool pre rendered style... I’d be good with less detail though, too.
4:53: Megaman games will sometimes have artifacts like that as well. It's an artifact of how tiles work in the NES, and wasn't supposed to be visible, on a standard CRT they would be within the overscan area, which is not typically visible.
There is another version of Kirby's Adventure to consider; the 3D Classic version for the 3DS. It rips the graphics directly from the NES game, but it puts all the background and foreground art and stuff on different layers, which you can view if you turn 3D on.
And its GORGEOUS.The only other change I think they made is in the boss rush, where you get healed after defeating Heavy Mole, just in time for Meta Knight and Kind Dedede. Ignoring the GBA remake, I'd consider the 3D Classic version a Replace for the NES one.
Your videos are amazingly written, simply addicted ever since watching the Sunshine review!
YES! FINALLY. FOR THE LOVE OF NOVA, IT IS HERE!
I always thought the redundant copy abilities were because the NES only had one button to map abilities to, but now I realize FireBall could have been Fire while dashing and Freeze Ice while crouched.
Let me recap this video for you: "This second ever kirby game doesn't have all the standard features that would be implemented in later games. I just don't know why they didn't use they're clairvoyance to see that they'd be good features to be implemented in this game."
Did he ever make the Yoshi's Story video?
It looks frikkin beautiful in 3D
Great review. I had no idea one of my favorite GBA games was actually a remake
My first time playing "Kirby's Adventure" was almost fifteen years ago when my best friend in real life was able to find a copy for his NES, and I ended up buying "Kirby: Nightmare In Dreamland" for my Game Boy Advance after Christmas that same year. :D
Did... he just spend 10 minutes, almost half the video, going back and forth complaining about the "difficulty" of the first game, just going on about 6HP and dropping your weapon?
You said that. You said that. You.... Department of Redundancy Department.
When I went from kirbys adventure to super star, how you float actually screwed me over because I forgot pressing up didn't make you float.
The best update from Kirby's Adventure to Kirby Nightmare in Dreamland is that stairs level you showed on 20:00 minute. On the last set of stairs, it is a pain in the butt to find that black rectangular door on a dark blue background on Kirby's Adventure. For Nightmare in Dreamland version, the door has a clear border around it.
7:04 Toad is at the bottom-left
Nice in-depth review as usual!
There's actually a reason for Nightmare in Dream Land's box art. It's taken from the anime, Kirby: Right Back at Ya! In fact, if you look closely at Meta Knight, you can see that they may or may not have forgotten to erase some of the show's background.
Glad to know your doing Super Star ROR. I've grown up with the DS version and loved it. I'll be looking forward to it.
The boss rush mode in Nightmare in Dreamland is called Boss Endurance because it is literally an ENDURANCE test.
I'm so happy to have seen this video, so happy my name doesn't reveal anything! :D
Kirby Nightmare in Dreamland is way better than original
No
I just played through this one (NES version) and I know what you're talking about with the controls feeling unresponsive. What I think is going on is that Kirby has animations for the various things he does (jumping, landing, attacking, getting hurt etc.) that take up a certain number of frames, so he can't do something new until he's finished the animation for what he's currently doing. And the way the game seems to handle this when it comes to player inputs is very strict: if, for instance, you hit the attack button when Kirby's just landed and is still in the "landing" animation, the game will ignore the input, even if there's just a few frames left of that animation. This leads to a lot of situations where you take damage or fall in a hole and go "I swear I hit the button!" You have to get used to waiting to input the next thing you want Kirby to do till the moment after he's finished his previous animation, as opposed to the game just cancelling the previous animation for you or queuing the new action behind the current one.
How do the controls feel responsive? They're tight, intuitive, easy and very responsive. What a steaming load of bullshit you just spewed.
Kirby's Adventure NES was the first Kirby game I owned, though I had played Dream Land before. I always found it easier to play through the game without using any copy abilities since the suck ability mostly had longer range and a wider cone than most abilities, and pretty much got the job done no matter what you were up against. It did mean you had to wait for bosses and mini bosses to use certain attacks before you could damage them, but it was safer to keep your distance the rest of the time. I always found the beetle harder than the turtle for some reason. I think it was because the bugs you could suck up moved slower than the turtle's suckable, leaving you more open to an attack. I only ever used abilities in spots where I needed them to reach an item or button, but always grabbed the UFO because it was deliciously OP.
Awesome RoR as usual Exo. Nice to see you finally getting a break to chill out. Have a nice break and can't wait for your Super Star and SSU RoR. That's when things get great.
11:09 In the bottom right corner you can see an unused version of fire's ability icon.
That bar on the side of the screen is due to the fact that Kirby's Adventure features both vertical and horizontal screen movement, most notably in the stage select areas. Mario 3 has the same thing in its levels.
Literally right in the middle of the episode I said to myself, "I hope one day we get an ROR on Kirby Super Star/Ultra."
Exo, you're the reviewer that keeps on giving! Thanks!
I've been watching ROR for years. You truly are a hidden gem of UA-cam!
But losing the star power when you get hit is just part of the challenge
For boss endurance Kirby nightmare in dreamland shouldda added an easy mode where u can get health in between battles and classic mode if u wanna play without extra health
Thanks for this review, i really learned. But why did you complain about power ups dropping? At least you can still get them.
Now catching up on these two kirby reviews, and I'm happy that you covered the remake and original game. I grew up with NIDL as a kid, not knowing it was even a remake to begin with, so when I played Kirby's Adventure on the Wii VC I had massive Deja Vu. After playing both versions for the past decade, I've leaned a bit more towards NES Adventure due to the art style and also the fact that I think Kirby and the Amazing Mirror was the better Kirby GBA game.
4:46 That is an issue with SMB3 and Kirby's Adventure where there are, in some cases and almost all the time in SMB3, there is diangnoal scrolling, causing that glitchy bar near the left.
You took the time to count all those kirbys in nightmare in dreamlands opening
He should lose the ability when he gets hit. The game's easy enough already. I think they also wanted this so people are more likely to try other abilities.
Modern kirbys do the same.
You should mention that despites the gba’s more capable system, they removed the rotational towers in the gba version wich is a shame.
Also those backgrounds don’t fit well with the frontgrounds in the gba version but i guess they did this with the dark non backlighted lcd screen in mind to make it more playeble on the gba.
I stick with the original.
I have almost no interest in playing either of these games. Maybe one day, but everytime I try to go back I just get caught up thinking "Why don't I just play Superstar Ultra or Triple Deluxe?"
Not saying they're bad games at all. Kirby is usually a fun time. I just don't care at all. Gudo video!
+KingK I get ya, fam. That's why I don't understand how undisclosed brother can say this is his favorite one when he’s played Return to Dreamland. My pick is Planet Robobot, personally
ExoParadigmGamer I haven't played that one yet
I have played on nes classic and i enjoyed it tho ( i have triple delux, snes classic and Kirby dream land 1 & 2)
11:10 I never seen those last two windows before, Wait and..whatever that cruel drawing is. What are they?
The WAIT i think isn’t used, the drawing, however, was a placeholder that they used before they had the artwork done.
I didn’t know Nightmare in Dreamland was a remake!
Have been waiting for this one. Was well worth it!
remake or rebreak : Mario 64 vs. Mario 64 ds
mario 64 ds hands down
Tidal Yacht PFFTT HAHAHAH
Original Mario 64 all the way - because the controls on DS are broken - and you can't tell me that the 3DS/New 3DS fixes it, because THE ACTUAL GAME WAS ONLY PROGRAMMED FOR THE 8 DIRECTIONS OF A D-PAD - rather than an analogue stick.
I stop caring too much about ror after he give mario 64 ds a replace while i still like the series i just dont care about his opinion in the end
@@valletas So what's the point of even watching it as the series is mainly his opinions on games
Great video Exo! Keep up the great work. I look forward to the next ROR.
Also sorry if this sounds selfish or bitchy or whatever, but do you take requests? I have a few that I think would be decent Ideas.
And do Remasters count (Ratchet and Clank PS4 and DOOM 2016) or just remakes specifically?
+Kirbonic Pikmin Ratchet and Clank is shoo-in. My roommate, mistertitanic, has a PS4.
Plus, I think I posted a kind of snappy comment at you once for asking about whether I set my Naughty Dog editorial to private. You used to have an Olimar avatar, I think? If that was you, then I apologize. You were just asking a simple question, after all.
ExoParadigmGamer
I never used an Olimar avatar, I've only used a Sans one before this as far as I recall, so it couldn't of been me. I always did wonder why some of your videos couldn't be seen anymore, I just figured you weren't proud of them anymore, so I left it at that.
And alright, by shoe in, you mean just there right?
What I mean is that there's a good chance of a ROR on Ratchet and Clank (PS2 Vs. PS4).
ExoParadigmGamer
Oh, alright, my bad. Misinterpreted that.
Well, Kirby SS Vs SSU, Yoshi's Story, and Mario 64 ROR, I'm looking forward to what the future of your channel holds, I started watching around summer of 2015, with your DKC3 Review, and I've enjoyed just about all of you videos, so keep doing what your doing.
And do you think you'll look at the Crash Bandicoot N.Sane Trilogy after it comes out whenever it does?
I don't really care for Crash, is the thing. If I did ROR episodes I'd have to fully complete the games, and I hate box gems far too much to bother with that.
Well alot of the visuals come from the fact it was a late even post life NES game. The SNES was already out. By this time they had access to both experience in NES hardware, and special chips for inside the cart itself were probably cheaper and more developed, I'd be shocked if they weren't using some extra memory.
Even had battery save.
3:13 Is there actually 125 Kirbys at the same time exactly?
I don't like how Kirby walks in Kirby's Adventure