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I don’t understand the complaint about Iron Fist being too strong/annoying. I don’t even recall one single match in which my team was being beaten up by Iron Fist, or that I had problem dealing with one as Luna/Mantis

I mean yeah, it's barely a "shooter" at all lol.

We've come such a long way from Demoknight. As much as we all love Demoknight he's kind of a mess and taught us a lot about what to do and not do with a melee-focused character in a shooter.

I see you never played Smite.

Netease know how to work with melee fight look at naraka blade point it got gun bow and crossbow but cold weapon are the powerfull item to fight

All I want now is a melee healer. Give me a high risk high reward healer.

In Marvel Rivals either you have bullets or you are the bullet.

Based Captain America player

And don’t forget the destructible map, which makes the game change all the time

I love how this game is somehow a third person shooter, 3rd person beat em up, or 3rd person hack and slash, simply depending on which character you pick.

It's not just the melee, look at the turret heros, namore has a harder to aim primary than hawkeye that he needs to land headshots for full dmg from his turrets, instead of torb who just places and forgets, than goes off to brawl a tank 😂, or loki who is a 4 star for a reason Or their moira, scarlet witch, a glass cannon who needs to get close and play more flanky without an abundance of heals, i mean they have the same dps on their primary but moira has more auto aim and Scarlets an actual dps lol Or the fact they have no hero I would call a tank buster, maybe wolverine but he's gotta get point blank and doesn't have insane lifesteal, it feels fair if he manages to get you usually, or the fact every tank has skillful mitigation, even strange who is most similar to orisa, has his anti heal mechanic which makes him choose between healing and dmg so he isn't just an unkillable horse with a 1 shot if you get between her and a wall 😂 an peny who again is a 4 star for a reason. It's just better in every conceivable way, it's downright impressive... I used to think I only liked dive heros in games but it turns out anti dive can be fun too when it's skillful, storm an peny are in my top most played and I was a doomfist genji main on ow 😂

That's why players from Overwatch saying movements for melee DPS in Marvel Rivals feels slow sounds more like a skill issue to me. The amount of mobility and utility characters have both tank and dps is insane in this game. Even Groot that has no flight, dash or sprint has his own utility since he can technically make his own "stairs" by placing his walls diagonally like in Fortnite to move up and down plus those walls don't just block but attack nearby enemies as well.

I wouldn't categorize Rivals as a "hero shooter", it's rather a "hero brawler"

so, there are such mech in game as stun, counterplay - break stun, counterplay - spam stun, counterplay spam stability, counterplay spam stun/rip boon/unblokable skills. so, players must every sec count incoming stun/counterstun - its broken gamplay, in game where ttk 1 sec nobody will do this, ppl just delete game, so, dews fix this - add "ignore all". imagine there are button which just cancel ALL GAME MECHANICS! whatahell is that? as result if players want normal play they must use only those builds which hawe this fantastic button which ignore around 90% game mechanics which are broken, worst gamedesign ever.

Are u from Poland by any chance? just a wild guess.

"Hero design dictates how easy balancing the game will be in the future", *chef's kiss* PERFECTION

Spider man is the most fun hero shooter character ever made praise be

They made the walls a vital part of gameplay, which definitely helped with mobility for all characters especially melees

I disagree with your opinion about the team-ups. Team ups are crucial for 2 reasons, team comp and immersive experience. Having an extra layer of depth gives this game a personality that other similar games don't offer. They incentivize players to play with the TEAM in mind because you know, it's a TEAM based game. Stop looking at these incentives as some form of punishment because you want to main your own heroes but rather as a reward to playing with the team. Without these team-ups, you'd be left with 5 duelist line ups lobbies. This also pose an extra challenge for those who just wants to play whatever. As for buffs, it is because the ones not getting a passive/active skill due to the team-up are left without any upgrades so buffing them is to alleviate the lack of passive/active skill from the team-up.

(sad Battleborn noises)

Netease had some experience with Melee vs Ranged 3rd Person/ 1st Person fights via their now EoS game Super Mecha Champions. Magick looks and feels alot like their main Melee Mech on that game Excalibur

wolverine DEFINETLY DOESN'T need any changes, this character is STUPIDLY strong, people just don't know how to play with him yet. He is a tank shredder, and a team fight engager/starter. His ult, when ulted on melee range, snares all enemies in his front, and he can jump on your team with everyone. Just image a good wolverine ulting 4~5 people, then pulling them to a dr strange while removing like 70% of their hp, or just comboing with winter solider, after wolverine ults and set up things for winter soldier, he then can just ult to kill 4~5 people in an instant

I think tf2's melle sistem is also pretty good. It gives chance to everyone

Bro, Gigantic is right there

Bro, Gigantic is right there

Rivals is giving overwatch players what blizzard never offered and its pure insanity they really took their time well as old publisher of blizzard in CN before blizzard cut their ties in 2022 (and microsoft forced blizzard to fix the ties in 2024)

idk, melee seems kinda weak in rivals

tldr: finally a "shooter" where melees more braindead easy to play than ever in history

1:04 “which pulled me in for obvious reasons” “Piss” 😂😂

I would say it's a bit more. Mobility plays a part. But so does map design. It needs verticality for that mobility to be interesting and require skill. Additionally, a lot of the melee characters have some way to reduce or negate damage in their own way. Captain America has a shield that can reflect projectiles. Hulk has a team wide barrier that grants him ultimate charge. Venom has a self barrier that is bigger the more he is hurt. Thor gains a barrier whenever he uses an ability that uses his Thorforce. Iron Fist has a short window of damage negation that grants him a larger shield the more damage he blocked. Magik is invulnerable during her portal dash and gains shields when she hits people. Black Panther has higher than average duelist health, and gains a barrier every time he uses his dash through a marked target. Wolverine has higher than average duelist health, a damage reducing ability, and one that basically lets him instantly resurrect if he dies while it's available, gaining more shields the more rage he has. Pretty much only Spider-man doesn't, and he's the most mobile character in the game. I would argue that Deadlock gets a lot of this right also, giving a lot of mobility through stamina and wall jumps, and highly vertical maps. But as a game that relies on item building, it's the player's decision to make their character more mobile, or stronger in melee. Most characters can be built melee, so that's interesting, but because it's more based on the items there's a bit less uniqueness to the melee combat. Though the parry system is pretty cool.

I just like how all the melee characters have unique strengths and weaknesses and counterplay and dont feel like punchy guy #4.

While I agree with most of what was said, I still think some Tacticians need more ways to FORCE a melee unit off of them with no counterplay on the melees part. As it stands playing healer sucks as bad as OW because most melees can combo you from full HP to dead or if they whiff part of the combo chase you down with no possible counterplay since they have better mobility, damage, and for some odd reason many have better sustain. Personally I think some Tacticians need to function as anti-flankers on a pre nerf Briggitte level. and to stop the Super agressive people from playing these champs as flankers, make it so the hard CC and bonus damage only applies on your side of the payload/objective

Hurray for viable melee!!

If you are an old meleeheaded Vidmaster like me, you're gonna love The Finals.

manlet missile is crazy 😭

Finally a hero shooter that lets me shoot a Hero *Yeets Wolverine*

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Just watched this to see what's going on with gw2. Played that game for over a decade and got really into the wvw and pvp scene. My guy good on you for talking about this, but we need is gw3. In the mean time elden ring and poe2 are Hella good and scratch that itch for me

It's funny becuase netease is also behind Naraka a melee fighter BR with really hard techs.

Manlet Missile 🚀

Im just surprised you arent dying every 2 seconds

I FUCKING LOVE RIVELLON

map design also plays a part, there are plenty of nooks and crannies, and choke points and melee accessible high ground that makes it possible for melee heros/villains to stay out of view or behind cover until they want to engage or disengage that limits ranged options to either respond or gain the advantage when the area isn't wide open and they can't shoot their opponent down b4 they reach them Melee options becomes a lot more viable when you can hide around the right corner and jump someone i'd argue while none of the melee characters NEED more than numeric adjustments, they might appreciate some QoL mechanica adjustments But a hero who NEEDS mechanical adjustments is Storm, regardless of where they wanted her to end up too many aspects of her kit are in contraction with each other meaning she PAYS for power she cannot always use or fully optimize.

The problem with rpg shooters is that must of their characters are meant to be played the same: Stay Behind and shoot. So anyone with a dash in those games is nerfed to the ground as just a handful of their roster got movility. However, in Marvel Rivals, things are MEANT to be more aggressive and fast passed. Besides, a quarter of their heroes are divers, so defensive comps are much more manageable. (Double barrier/GOATS meta ptsd)

betting on a gw3 where they can actually fix core issues

Rip Titanfall 2

The divinity music made me a little emotional, i see you brother

Official data released Wolverine's win rate second highest rivalstracker website

Anti spiral

I wish they'd make Wolverine a tank that could deal damage well rather than a DPS that sometimes has an ok self heal, hell Iron Fist does what Wolverine should be doing lol