Anet- "hey warrior, here, a new power ranged weapon" x- "oke, sure, but what about rifle?" Anet- "y'know what, now it will scale by being in melee range"
I think warrior is like this because in 2012 there was a lot of people that played 1shot hundered blades builds. So they decided to punish the class for eternity
I hate the idea of ranged spears in general.. "look I got this big AF spear, I'ma throw it away. But fear not! I got plenty of spears stored up ma arse to pull out and throw away! I love the feeling of pulling things out of there"
Warrior's ripped off again. The more they release all the other weapons amongst other classes, the more it takes away from warrior's class personality of being "a weapons specialist." The ranger getting melee and ranged spear takes away from warrior's personality as well. Why would the most "weapon proficient class" only use spear at ranged? They should be able to melee as well. Just my thoughts.
I cannot come up with any situation where i would like to use this weapon... The effects would make for a great gun rework :) but i dont understand why especially the master of weapons is only able to throw the spear, yet every idiot manages to bonk people with it. The idea of a ranged weapon being more capable the closer you are to an enemy doesnt make me happy. What does Anet want me to do? Through a spear from a 10cm distance instead of just weaponswapping to my greatsword? I also dont throw an apple at a person who stands right next to me... The design idea bit itself feels for me super shitty. Maybe fun on classes that are meant to be exclusively ranged but on a class that is almost exclusively meele this feels very very weird.
Yeah no doubt. No incentive for ppl to play and get excited to try it. I haven't thought long, but even an exciting animation would be better than this. Say a hard throw at distance, impales enemy, whips them close, then sends them in the air in daze. Or even a cyclone attack close quarters to knockback. So much could have been done.
Ah yes.. another Meele ( peudo ranged) POWER ONLY weapon.. exactly what warrior needed. Can we get some condi for once? Like really all we have is a clunky bow... please?
By the look of it Crapface, they were trying to give warrior spear the "paragon nostalgia" thing It kinda makes sense that _spelbreaker_ got the spear since lore said something about spelbreaker being a paragon that broke his spear and turned it in to a dagger Now they _unbroke_ their spears, i suppose? Kinda wish they went for a melee spear, and gave guardian the yeet spear from paragon But i guess it is what it is Crapface ☹️
well of course. they give classes allot of love in this game and apparently warrior is not one of them. a RANGED weapon that has the advantage of RANGE allowing u to stay at RANGE deals more dmg when ur close and personal about to wet slimy frensh kiss the target.....ye doesnt sound reasonable . they apparently work on warrior a day prior to releases and say fuck you with no words just updates. EDIT: they've been working on spears for god knows how much and came out with "red circles on boss? whats that? sparkly shit go BRRR". at this point im scared of what thei'r coocking for the future expansions and updates. and for all of u rats in the comments his negativity from warrior spear is right. WHAT THE FUCK is the use of a ranged weapon that is more effective and i say "effective" in malee with a skill that sends u backwards? and the other launches the target? i said effective cuz we have no solid numbers so fight me on that. also why give ranger a flip auto for malee and warrior "THE MASTER OF WEAPONS" a poky needle? Anet i love ur work but rn im starting to have beef with the dev who's working on warrior.
well had been fun if it was a hybrid range /melee weapon, warriors being skilled to use a spear in both ways but it being more leaning to range to be the inverse of gunsabers range component. Can only hope that they fix the overall problems so the whole profession becomes more exiting.
Let's see what it actually does in the upcoming beta, speculation is fine, but I don't think we can know exactly how much this will impact anything off of some animations and a quick blogpost description.
Well, at least its what warrior needs, less melee bonk and more ranged tools, meanwhile thief is a combination of ranger's spear + the underwater warrior spear which basically has a better HB skill
So rangers and warriors both get dual-range weapons, but the ranger one also gets stealth functionality. Without seeing the numbers, it really comes across as more of the same of Anet making rangers out to be just warriors+
@@aaronogrodnik1731 yeah… that’s what I was referring to when I said dual-range weapons. Warrior is a range weapon, that has some extra damage boost if you get close. Ranger is a weapon that switches between ranged and melee.
1. I love its ranged but its needs to be a 1200 2. Looks like a condi weapon 3. Might be ok if it has has so stuff with it hopefully quickness or alac. 4. I hope it has a grab bag of stuff like auto attack has bleeding that rainbow bright attack poison or something The just back will be a stun break with stab and quickness or something. They really need to pump this up they failed at the other 2 long range weapons.....also i bet they will have different skills against foes and allies like staff
assuming you speak of warrior spear... - It was already confirmed to be power only, and they went the most boring path possible, but hey, Spellbreaker will get to ruin PvP even more by abusing evasion on F1. - Thanks Anet.
I cannot believe Anet thinks Warrior mains give a single hoot about Paragon nostalgia, we could have finally gotten a new 2H weapon to compete with GS or finally get a 2H melee condi wep, so that we could finally use something other than Sword/Torch/bow.
somewhat agree. I hate the rain thing, looking too much like Revenant skill, but otherwise its visually sound. Which makes it sting even more that we basically got rifle 2.0.
I miss the simlpistic gw1 skill effects like on paragon, where special attacks, where just spears imbued with certain effects, e.g. a spear with light. In gw2 it's allways, some big explosive effect with fire and rock hurled around for warrior. This is the reason the game visibility is so bad.
I doubt its warrior's fault that visibility is so bad, when average teamfight includes two different massive colorfull domes, 7 different ring AoE's on the ground, a fire tornado, a pack of pink wizards, and spinning avatar of death in the middle of it, all the while the enemy you need to look out for the most, is currently invisible.
@@captaincrapface7337 no of course, I didn't mean it's about warrior, it was just an example. I agree with the visibility is beeing bad. It seems the devs hardly ever made choices for visibility and practical aesthetic. Rather they mostly went with "what looks cool big and impressive" in a vacuum, but that all is lost once you enter a fight with a few players. Imo the amount of aoe skills is also a problem, the emphasis on aoe attacks and support skills makes it harder to tone down these effects and the amount of space they take away.
The whole trailer was pain to watch (the warrior part that is). 1. Here's your average lvl 67 warrior straight out of core Tyria... but with a spear! 2. Now watch it use all these spear aoe skills ... on a single target. 3. Wanna see all the skills? Too bad, here's some more auto spam instead! 4. Don't worry if you missed the unique warrior spear mechanic watching the vid - that's cause there ain't none! 5. * Eyes squint * is this whole "fight" happening at 900 range and not 1200? Seriously I can almost hear banjos playing when watching warrior spear reveal next to Thieves let alone Engis.. Good news is, spear can still be a very solid and fun option. Right after you dive underwater that is.
Ya know, I never really thought about the underwater weapons. But now that ya mention it, warrior underwater spear does slap! Rapid attacks that generate rapid adrenaline, easy pull cc, a block with solid damage, and a burst that stuns around you. (pull+burn for primal burst) If they just gave us that, but replaced the 5 skill to something that doesn't look so silly when done on land, I'd be happy.
Great, just greattttt. Now they are never gonna fix rifle since spear exists and creates revenue while rifle does not. After 3 to 4 releases of these type of expansions, PvP is gonna be p2w af with old stuffs outdated and new expansions's stuffs are either better or straightup super overloaded
And yet it's still larger than yours. But sure he also started posting only this year for a 10yo game about a class that's constantly cucked. But you're right, that probably has nothing to do with the it you're right.
"Be optimistic, they'll surely get it right this time even though theyve been dropping the ball in warrior design for years and the design they chose as marketing has glaring issues. The numbers will save it 1000%"
This is just rage bait. We don't know damage numbers or coefficients. Ranged attack could be 80% or 100% of base damage and CQC could be 120% making this god tier. But sure, you got me to click on your video and leave a comment. Now I know not to come back.
It could be but won't be: [Dragon Trigger] has been in the game for 2 years and does negative damage in PvP and scales down like dog water if you have less than 10 bullets.
"The wheels are square, steering wheel is missing, and engine oil is leaking, but you haven't took it for the ride yet, how do you know the car drives poorely?"
A weapon that has no boons and no condi.. only pure power, on a class that has like 50 different power weapons that don't see play already. The only way for it to see play is if it's numbers are REALLY high and if they are REALLY high, it would be problematic and will be forced to get nerfed into oblivion and added to the stack of power weapons that warrior never uses. if it had some condi on it, some bleed, some burn or something then i could see it being used somewhere , somehow. But pure power? Why would i even use it instead of rifle for example? rifle has like.. amazing skills on papper and yet it doesn't see play.. lol
*sees a ranged weapon on warrior* TRASH WRONG UNUSABLE "i dont see the damage numbers but." IT DOES CRAP DAMAGE AND WILL NOT BE VIABLE. Bro relax, it was clearly based on the paragon class from Nightfall expansion, which was a damage support hybrid class, i can see this spear adding more damage boon builds for warrior.
![Warrior Spear Beta Feedback, and soft rework concept [GW2]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/zgWNbEYiaUQ/mqdefault.jpg)
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Ah, yes. A backwards leap that strikes in front of you *after* the leap happens. How reliable!
Thief staff approves this
Anet- "hey warrior, here, a new power ranged weapon"
x- "oke, sure, but what about rifle?"
Anet- "y'know what, now it will scale by being in melee range"
I think warrior is like this because in 2012 there was a lot of people that played 1shot hundered blades builds. So they decided to punish the class for eternity
i think warrior is just stuck in 2012...unable to move forward, mainly cus of his shitty adrenaline mechanic.
Before that you had hammer trains.
I hate the idea of ranged spears in general.. "look I got this big AF spear, I'ma throw it away. But fear not! I got plenty of spears stored up ma arse to pull out and throw away! I love the feeling of pulling things out of there"
This 😂
I am happy that warrior got more range option for once. But I don't want another riffle meme weapon but it seems like its going to be the case...
it also seems loosly inspired by the same concepts as rifle did.
warrior is a profession that feels like it's stuck in heart of thorns era
earlier, in pre-alpha stage.
it's stuck in 2012... LITERALLY.
Warrior's ripped off again. The more they release all the other weapons amongst other classes, the more it takes away from warrior's class personality of being "a weapons specialist." The ranger getting melee and ranged spear takes away from warrior's personality as well. Why would the most "weapon proficient class" only use spear at ranged? They should be able to melee as well. Just my thoughts.
I thought Warrior's would be eating ok with Spears. But it was spoiled, in the worst way possible. _sigh_
I cannot come up with any situation where i would like to use this weapon...
The effects would make for a great gun rework :) but i dont understand why especially the master of weapons is only able to throw the spear, yet every idiot manages to bonk people with it.
The idea of a ranged weapon being more capable the closer you are to an enemy doesnt make me happy. What does Anet want me to do? Through a spear from a 10cm distance instead of just weaponswapping to my greatsword? I also dont throw an apple at a person who stands right next to me...
The design idea bit itself feels for me super shitty. Maybe fun on classes that are meant to be exclusively ranged but on a class that is almost exclusively meele this feels very very weird.
Yeah no doubt. No incentive for ppl to play and get excited to try it. I haven't thought long, but even an exciting animation would be better than this. Say a hard throw at distance, impales enemy, whips them close, then sends them in the air in daze. Or even a cyclone attack close quarters to knockback. So much could have been done.
Ah yes.. another Meele ( peudo ranged) POWER ONLY weapon.. exactly what warrior needed.
Can we get some condi for once?
Like really all we have is a clunky bow... please?
By the look of it Crapface, they were trying to give warrior spear the "paragon nostalgia" thing
It kinda makes sense that _spelbreaker_ got the spear since lore said something about spelbreaker being a paragon that broke his spear and turned it in to a dagger
Now they _unbroke_ their spears, i suppose?
Kinda wish they went for a melee spear, and gave guardian the yeet spear from paragon
But i guess it is what it is Crapface ☹️
Well Crapface... I didn't have high hopes, but they still managed to disappoint ☹️
well of course. they give classes allot of love in this game and apparently warrior is not one of them. a RANGED weapon that has the advantage of RANGE allowing u to stay at RANGE deals more dmg when ur close and personal about to wet slimy frensh kiss the target.....ye doesnt sound reasonable . they apparently work on warrior a day prior to releases and say fuck you with no words just updates.
EDIT: they've been working on spears for god knows how much and came out with "red circles on boss? whats that? sparkly shit go BRRR". at this point im scared of what thei'r coocking for the future expansions and updates. and for all of u rats in the comments his negativity from warrior spear is right. WHAT THE FUCK is the use of a ranged weapon that is more effective and i say "effective" in malee with a skill that sends u backwards? and the other launches the target? i said effective cuz we have no solid numbers so fight me on that. also why give ranger a flip auto for malee and warrior "THE MASTER OF WEAPONS" a poky needle? Anet i love ur work but rn im starting to have beef with the dev who's working on warrior.
well had been fun if it was a hybrid range /melee weapon, warriors being skilled to use a spear in both ways but it being more leaning to range to be the inverse of gunsabers range component. Can only hope that they fix the overall problems so the whole profession becomes more exiting.
Let's see what it actually does in the upcoming beta, speculation is fine, but I don't think we can know exactly how much this will impact anything off of some animations and a quick blogpost description.
I wonder if the idea was to change the actions based on target distance, but then they gave up
I think they gave up on the stage of getting an idea.
Well, at least its what warrior needs, less melee bonk and more ranged tools, meanwhile thief is a combination of ranger's spear + the underwater warrior spear which basically has a better HB skill
Spellbreaker is already OP they don't need anything else
SPB FOR LIFE
So rangers and warriors both get dual-range weapons, but the ranger one also gets stealth functionality.
Without seeing the numbers, it really comes across as more of the same of Anet making rangers out to be just warriors+
ranger also gets melee flipover for autoattacks if they're closer to the target....
@@aaronogrodnik1731 yeah… that’s what I was referring to when I said dual-range weapons. Warrior is a range weapon, that has some extra damage boost if you get close. Ranger is a weapon that switches between ranged and melee.
I like that the auto isn't even a chain, it's just 1 attack that's re-u msed from Ranger. Awesome.
1. I love its ranged but its needs to be a 1200
2. Looks like a condi weapon
3. Might be ok if it has has so stuff with it hopefully quickness or alac.
4. I hope it has a grab bag of stuff like auto attack has bleeding that rainbow bright attack poison or something
The just back will be a stun break with stab and quickness or something. They really need to pump this up they failed at the other 2 long range weapons.....also i bet they will have different skills against foes and allies like staff
assuming you speak of warrior spear...
- It was already confirmed to be power only, and they went the most boring path possible, but hey, Spellbreaker will get to ruin PvP even more by abusing evasion on F1. - Thanks Anet.
I literally watched the whole video wrong lol I had to go to gw2 forum. Yea these skills suck. What aren't they showing all 5 skills?
I cannot believe Anet thinks Warrior mains give a single hoot about Paragon nostalgia, we could have finally gotten a new 2H weapon to compete with GS or finally get a 2H melee condi wep, so that we could finally use something other than Sword/Torch/bow.
i care about paragon so fuck ya
@@nymeats Go back to GW1 then
mechanics aside, warrior spear skills look the coolest. Engie looks too messy, and ranger looks ridiculous with the animal spirits
somewhat agree.
I hate the rain thing, looking too much like Revenant skill, but otherwise its visually sound.
Which makes it sting even more that we basically got rifle 2.0.
man anet hates warriors since 2013 over it
I miss the simlpistic gw1 skill effects like on paragon, where special attacks, where just spears imbued with certain effects, e.g. a spear with light. In gw2 it's allways, some big explosive effect with fire and rock hurled around for warrior. This is the reason the game visibility is so bad.
I doubt its warrior's fault that visibility is so bad, when average teamfight includes two different massive colorfull domes, 7 different ring AoE's on the ground, a fire tornado, a pack of pink wizards, and spinning avatar of death in the middle of it, all the while the enemy you need to look out for the most, is currently invisible.
@@captaincrapface7337 no of course, I didn't mean it's about warrior, it was just an example. I agree with the visibility is beeing bad. It seems the devs hardly ever made choices for visibility and practical aesthetic. Rather they mostly went with "what looks cool big and impressive" in a vacuum, but that all is lost once you enter a fight with a few players. Imo the amount of aoe skills is also a problem, the emphasis on aoe attacks and support skills makes it harder to tone down these effects and the amount of space they take away.
The whole trailer was pain to watch (the warrior part that is).
1. Here's your average lvl 67 warrior straight out of core Tyria... but with a spear!
2. Now watch it use all these spear aoe skills ... on a single target.
3. Wanna see all the skills? Too bad, here's some more auto spam instead!
4. Don't worry if you missed the unique warrior spear mechanic watching the vid - that's cause there ain't none!
5. * Eyes squint * is this whole "fight" happening at 900 range and not 1200?
Seriously I can almost hear banjos playing when watching warrior spear reveal next to Thieves let alone Engis..
Good news is, spear can still be a very solid and fun option.
Right after you dive underwater that is.
Ya know, I never really thought about the underwater weapons. But now that ya mention it, warrior underwater spear does slap! Rapid attacks that generate rapid adrenaline, easy pull cc, a block with solid damage, and a burst that stuns around you. (pull+burn for primal burst)
If they just gave us that, but replaced the 5 skill to something that doesn't look so silly when done on land, I'd be happy.
Great, just greattttt. Now they are never gonna fix rifle since spear exists and creates revenue while rifle does not. After 3 to 4 releases of these type of expansions, PvP is gonna be p2w af with old stuffs outdated and new expansions's stuffs are either better or straightup super overloaded
I just want revanant to be melee please. So i can pretend im a dragoon on vindicator lol high jumps with spears come on
We have no idea yet and this guy is already doom posting. No wonder his channel is still this small
And yet it's still larger than yours. But sure he also started posting only this year for a 10yo game about a class that's constantly cucked. But you're right, that probably has nothing to do with the it you're right.
"Be optimistic, they'll surely get it right this time even though theyve been dropping the ball in warrior design for years and the design they chose as marketing has glaring issues. The numbers will save it 1000%"
@@amethystcloud8515I don’t need validation from people online. But keep sucking this guys dick lol.
This is just rage bait. We don't know damage numbers or coefficients. Ranged attack could be 80% or 100% of base damage and CQC could be 120% making this god tier. But sure, you got me to click on your video and leave a comment. Now I know not to come back.
It could be but won't be: [Dragon Trigger] has been in the game for 2 years and does negative damage in PvP and scales down like dog water if you have less than 10 bullets.
"The wheels are square, steering wheel is missing, and engine oil is leaking, but you haven't took it for the ride yet, how do you know the car drives poorely?"
A weapon that has no boons and no condi.. only pure power, on a class that has like 50 different power weapons that don't see play already.
The only way for it to see play is if it's numbers are REALLY high and if they are REALLY high, it would be problematic and will be forced to get nerfed into oblivion and added to the stack of power weapons that warrior never uses.
if it had some condi on it, some bleed, some burn or something then i could see it being used somewhere , somehow.
But pure power?
Why would i even use it instead of rifle for example? rifle has like.. amazing skills on papper and yet it doesn't see play.. lol
*sees a ranged weapon on warrior* TRASH WRONG UNUSABLE "i dont see the damage numbers but." IT DOES CRAP DAMAGE AND WILL NOT BE VIABLE.
Bro relax, it was clearly based on the paragon class from Nightfall expansion, which was a damage support hybrid class, i can see this spear adding more damage boon builds for warrior.
If it did anything supportive, they'd f-ing tell us.
They told us we are getting second rifle, hurray!
it probably has like.. 0 boons and 0 condi just like every warrior weapon...
Basically a worse rifle.. and rifle doesn't see play.