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Exposing The Dark Side Of The Church | 10 Tips For Supporting Victims Of Clergy Sexual Abuse
Carolyn from Hagar's Voice is back for Part 2 as we focus on addressing corruption in the church by providing 10 tips for supporting victims of clergy sexual abuse.
In this episode, we dive deeper into our conversation with Carolyn from Hagar's Voice, an organization dedicated to supporting survivors of clergy sexual abuse. Carolyn discusses the systemic problems within churches that silence female victims, the patriarchal power structures, and the importance of trauma-informed advocacy in hopes of bringing the dark side of the church to light. We wanted to cover essential topics such as the DARVO response, empowering survivors, and the crucial steps churches can take to address abuse actively. We want to encourage you to engage in intentional, informed, and supportive actions, following the ten outlined principles by Hagar's Voice to support victims effectively.
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00:00 The Problem of Voiceless Victims
01:01 Welcome
01:29 Meet Carolyn from Hagar's Voice
03:18 DARVO and Coercive Techniques
08:41 The Role of Grief and Emotional Support
10:02 Power Dynamics in Churches
12:39 The Importance of Trauma-Informed Care
18:08 Steps to Support Survivors
28:27 Amplifying Voices and Believing Stories
29:42 Understanding Theodicizing and Its Impact
34:40 The Importance of Consent and Boundaries
40:37 Engaging Through a Trauma-Informed Lens
41:08 Referring to Professionals and Staying Engaged
43:17 Empowering Survivors and Avoiding Re-Traumatization
45:32 Conclusion and Resources
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How to STOP Clergy Sexual Abuse | How Hagar's Voice is Advocating For Victims In the Church
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Hagar's Voice is a movement that believes together we can stop clergy sexual abuse through empowering, advocating , and giving a voice to victims. This episode with Carolyn from Hagar's Voice has been in the making for months and we are extremely excited to share this conversation with you. Hagar's Voice is a movement that exists to strategically support survivors of clergy sexual abuse & advoc...
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  • @rosatrula
    @rosatrula 8 днів тому

    Parental alienation... reactive abuse? She seems like she has a cluster b disorder to me

  • @EricSchumann007
    @EricSchumann007 11 днів тому

    He was looking for daddy issues

  • @EricSchumann007
    @EricSchumann007 11 днів тому

    And he never got married 😢

  • @saoirsejb
    @saoirsejb 12 днів тому

    I was listening to a former IHOPKC member's story recently. She said that in the 1980s in the wake of the Jesus People movement (when a senior leader molested her), there just was no "grid" for identifying and addressing sexual abuse & predatory behaviour by church leaders. This upsets me so much. I was a teenager in the 1980s. Everywhere I turned, I collided with gender hierarchy & male headship doctrine. I constantly pointed out that authority pyramids were unbiblical and counter to the unity & mutuality of true Kingdom of God culture. Everywhere, I could see grooming behaviour, coercive behaviour and predatory behaviour by the same men who lectured us on "purity" and man-splained the "umbrella of protection" to us and told us that women who wore mascara or pants were "in rebellion" and that rebellion was "as the sin of witchcraft". I noticed that the ones who spewed spiritualized misogyny & homophobia the most (carefully camouflaged in flowery Christian "love") seemed to be the ones most likely to be up to stuff behind the scenes and off the stage. So, in the 1990s, I started keeping a list. Ted Haggard. Jimmy Swaggart. Jim Bakker. Bill Gothard. Doug Phillips. The names kept coming. I started speaking up. I pointed out that gender inequality, white-washed sexism, and male headship doctrine in the church, plus the emphasis on venerating "authority", would lead to a scourge of sexual abuse & exploitation, and cover up, in the church. Even I could not have foretold how bad, and how rampant it would be. So, can you guess what happened to me, when I started calling out authoritarianism & male supremacy in the church, as early as the 1980s? I was branded a Jezebel. No one wanted to hear. I am just one of thousands of people, with true 'prophetic' voices on this issue, who were cast out, our warnings dismissed. I cannot tell you how frustrated I feel. We were told that WE were the evil ones. Our voices were quenched. We couldn't stop men like Bickle, or Morris and we couldn't save people like Tammy, or Cindy. The "nice" people in the church disapproved of the likes of us.

  • @user-kc9qm9dl8b
    @user-kc9qm9dl8b 15 днів тому

    Ye Kay hai bhai❤❤❤

  • @amyeck3870
    @amyeck3870 15 днів тому

    Right on sister! ❤

  • @realhealthrealwealth
    @realhealthrealwealth 17 днів тому

    Book gods enslaving the populations to those who deem themselves superior hierarchy authority elites psychos for generations. OBEY!! The likes of Romans 13 is why ALL book gods exist. OBEY!! Master manipulators take..took bits and pieces of REAL Truths and entwine(d) them within a garage dump of enslaving twisted demented demeaning degrading demoralizing sin hunting fault finding crucifying emotional traumatizing ssssstrrreeesss inducing fear mongering judgmental hypocritical shaming blaming criticizing condemning ...separating dividing splintering ..warmongering killing murdering blood guts gore..zioni$t bull💩💩💩💩

  • @gdgm1
    @gdgm1 21 день тому

    It’s not intellectual it’s information control

  • @journalistedisoncarter
    @journalistedisoncarter 22 дні тому

    She used parental alienation on steroids.

  • @JotaJota813
    @JotaJota813 28 днів тому

    are you judging negatively *All* Christians because of a *Few* ? Please clarify

  • @JotaJota813
    @JotaJota813 28 днів тому

    To the content creator and followers of this channel, not every person that calls themselves “a man of God” is so, also we are all sinners, every one can fail. My advice of Love and Compassion, be extremely careful not mock Jehova and/or minimize his sovereignty and power over all creation.

  • @JotaJota813
    @JotaJota813 28 днів тому

    You were told the Truth! And 💯 children need to hear this! TELL THE CHILDREN THE TRUTH! Bible, Prayer and Fasting is the core and armor of God against the evil forces.

  • @winniefindstheway
    @winniefindstheway Місяць тому

    Yes it surprises me how quick we give these men a pass... it's horrible

  • @coveredinharmony
    @coveredinharmony Місяць тому

    Brilliant episode. I knew a few people using this or a very similar curriculum and as far as infants were concerned, it was appalling. Meals their hands were held down and they were spoon fed even until older age. That's the least of it and with some babies they were adopted (and therefore traumatized).

  • @TheRoyalCat2024
    @TheRoyalCat2024 Місяць тому

    My ex has taken my daughter to Spain and refused to tell me where they are and the hotel they are staying. What kind of sick, controlling psychopath does that?

  • @saoirsejb
    @saoirsejb Місяць тому

    I came across Christian Domestic Discipline when I first started speaking out about Christian Patriarchy in the early 2000s. I remember the posts. Women who thought getting hit was intimacy. Men who were just disgusting lazy chauvinists with no capacity for healthy connection and huge sexual repression issues and overblown entitlement & ego. I got onto the forums and it was horrendous. Those women were so degraded. I can testify that it was real, and that it was all headed towards Christo-Fascist authoritarian theocracy.

  • @shadowsleuth9279
    @shadowsleuth9279 Місяць тому

    My heart truly goes out to all those abused in this cult. narcissists love to twist and cherry pick bible verses for their own agendas. I am also a survivor of abuse. I just want to say that the IBLP misrepresents Jesus and His word. He is loving and kind. He chose to lay down HIs life on Calvary to redeem us and to give us life . These wolves in sheep clothing will answer dearly in eternity. I am sorry the abuse was so bad that many turned away from the faith altogether.

  • @GenGJustice321
    @GenGJustice321 Місяць тому

    My aunt Mary Ann Parker did this to my cousin as a child abusing her and even turning against her when she came out as way later on. My aunt had alot of us fooled and we didn't believe My cousin when she came out with her story of abuse but now knowing what I know and spending so much time around her I see it and regret not believing my cousin. You never really do know a person until you're behind closed doors with them on the daily. She tried to call my aunt to forgive her and of course, she refused to answer the call. Very telling. Y'all believe when they tell you this kinda stuff. Don't victim shame

  • @teshahawkins4822
    @teshahawkins4822 Місяць тому

    JESUS LUVS!!! Have a up bringing that is straight out the BIBLE IS THE WAY THINGS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE! BE BLESSED!!!

  • @teshahawkins4822
    @teshahawkins4822 Місяць тому

    JESUS LUVS!!!BE BLESSED!!!

  • @celene8556
    @celene8556 2 місяці тому

    Why burn it?

    • @preyvspredatorpodcast
      @preyvspredatorpodcast 2 місяці тому

      It puts the onus of responsibility on exactly the wrong person.

    • @celene8556
      @celene8556 Місяць тому

      @@preyvspredatorpodcast but in the beginning of the book it even states that if there is manipulation or danger of any kind, whether it be emotional, mental, or physical, then it’s best to leave the person. If there is genuine care from the other party and a glimpse of hope, then it’s good advice to pray for your significant other. I see no wrong in it. Yes the other person may be at fault. Why not ask God to reveal it to him/her while also changing our viewpoint as well since our emotions can hinder us from seeing the bigger picture. It’s changing us while also changing them. It’s not about who is right and who is wrong. It’s more about let’s attack the problem and not the person.

  • @susanford9741
    @susanford9741 2 місяці тому

    P r o m o s m

  • @georginaaltmann7292
    @georginaaltmann7292 2 місяці тому

    Is your podcast on Spotify?

    • @preyvspredatorpodcast
      @preyvspredatorpodcast 2 місяці тому

      We sure are! open.spotify.com/show/5mOBEusI4Q4bVOV1y7Ck9X?si=VFMSFV4mQoWnGX4sZUL8cw

  • @jac4YouTube
    @jac4YouTube 2 місяці тому

    what doesn't kill you only makes you stronger, Jesus has given you a spirit of strength and peace, embrace it, look to Jesus for comfort not to this world because people will always disappoint you.

  • @jjawz
    @jjawz 2 місяці тому

    In my case the financial abuse was so extreme that the judge actually said “this sounds too extreme to be true…” and then trumped it up to that I was just better at keeping track of all the joint expenses and he must have missed the bills he paid. Of course his lawyer and him whole heartily agreed. However, if the judge had just taken stock of what was paid by me she would have saw that there was nothing left to pay. I did pay all the bills while he paid nothing, thankfully he didn’t get off the hook and has to pay but the court/judge totally missed the financial abuse that was happening.

  • @kristinmeyer489
    @kristinmeyer489 2 місяці тому

    I hope everyone sees this guy for what he put you and your child through.

  • @kristinmeyer489
    @kristinmeyer489 2 місяці тому

    38:10 Yes, it IS easy for those not living it to reduce it, minimize it, negate it, and gaslight you. They don't help that way at all.

  • @kristinmeyer489
    @kristinmeyer489 2 місяці тому

    37:39 Imo the only thing bureaucrats care about when they think they're "solving" problems is to bulldoze and bully and add more unneeded trauma.

  • @kristinmeyer489
    @kristinmeyer489 2 місяці тому

    35:41 Imo part of this is they don't have to care. There's no standard that requires these bureaucrats to give a real damn, and BECAUSE they're bureaucrats, they typically don't.

  • @kristinmeyer489
    @kristinmeyer489 2 місяці тому

    34:17 All the people who DON'T understand are busy, and have lives and stuff of their own. When they see a set up circus, and a charming person and a frazzled one, they usually go with who they LIKE BETTER. Guess who's more likable, after being thrashed with invisible chains and abuses?

  • @kristinmeyer489
    @kristinmeyer489 2 місяці тому

    31:36 This is, imo from my experience, bcz they love having the power dynamics always in their favor, so taking control of the narrative this way gives them the false authority that they want others to see, as they devalue you to them.

  • @kristinmeyer489
    @kristinmeyer489 2 місяці тому

    27:36 So true that apathetic bureaucrats never help.

  • @kristinmeyer489
    @kristinmeyer489 2 місяці тому

    They do not have issues with "sharing" involuntary women, trafficking us, stalking us, terrorizing us, and utterly denying us any substantive freedom at all, all in plain view, to onlookers who either participate or do not care.

  • @kristinmeyer489
    @kristinmeyer489 2 місяці тому

    Treating safety like a football game, where technicalities rule. Thry REALLY DO NOT GIVE A DAMN ABOUT WOMEN, AND ARE NOT SHY ABOUT PROVING IT. AMBER HEARD WAS A PUBLIC EXAMPLE.

  • @kristinmeyer489
    @kristinmeyer489 2 місяці тому

    15:26 They DO understand it, most of them. You don't understand. They are on a TEAM, and that team is AGAINST WOMEN.

  • @kristinmeyer489
    @kristinmeyer489 2 місяці тому

    Funny how this sounds so similar to organized stalking and harassment, A HUMAN RIGHTS CRIME.

  • @stephenburling743
    @stephenburling743 2 місяці тому

    I agree it is a cult and it needs to be stopped.

  • @chilloften
    @chilloften 2 місяці тому

    That’s crazy, you’re being stalked by a predator. LE should care about women.

  • @kalabakonbitts1362
    @kalabakonbitts1362 2 місяці тому

    Could do without the bubbleheads talking. Silence or ai narration is better.

  • @thecultchronicles
    @thecultchronicles 3 місяці тому

    So SO glad to be hearing more of Chad's story! xoxo

  • @Jogyot3260
    @Jogyot3260 3 місяці тому

    I appreciate you are not trying to be biased and mourn the fact that people who is your favourite is a terrible person

  • @kimsmith1028
    @kimsmith1028 3 місяці тому

    It mental abuse and physical abuse it's disgusting and controlling

  • @stefaniemedina14
    @stefaniemedina14 3 місяці тому

    Wow……..I cannot wait to read her book.

  • @susanjones3513
    @susanjones3513 3 місяці тому

    Do not apologize for using the word "evil," because it is.

  • @kristinmeyer489
    @kristinmeyer489 3 місяці тому

    22:59 I was so desperate to get my life back that I paid professional investigators to betray me, for the sake of the entrenched lies maliciously spread about me that people were acting upon to deliberately cause me harm. I was betrayed, even by those I paid obscene amounts of money to, not because I was rolling in it (I had no income!), but because I was THAT DESPERATE. NOBODY CARED, NOT EVEN THOSE I PAID TO CARE. THE WORLD IS A CESSPOOL.

  • @kristinmeyer489
    @kristinmeyer489 3 місяці тому

    22:06 Repetition from the spread. People love spreading salacious stories.

  • @kristinmeyer489
    @kristinmeyer489 3 місяці тому

    14:56 When they're a community forged over ruining you, and they entitle themselves to violate you, and you discover they surreptitiously read your mail, monitor your everything, (they also use this intel to steal from you) you can create a record and communicate at the same time by sending these emails to "yourself." They read them. I have used this method to create a record of the decades of abuse I have endured indentured under indefinite detention as a noninvestigative subject.

  • @kristinmeyer489
    @kristinmeyer489 3 місяці тому

    14:32 This is because words cannot do justice to anything so perverted and evil.

  • @kristinmeyer489
    @kristinmeyer489 3 місяці тому

    6:42 It's even more alienating when you know you're being maligned and harassed, and pay professionals real money, and they break the social contract, gaslight you, and essentially rob you in your desperation. Imo that's a hell worse than any ordinary flying monkey(s).

  • @goinghomesteady
    @goinghomesteady 3 місяці тому

    This young lady does NOT represent ATI or IBLP with accuracy of Bill Gothard. 45 years of being a part of this ministry was blessing from the age of 12. I grew up in the 70’s and 80’s. IBLP and ATI are like Tiktok and IG today- providing resources for individuals and families equipping them to grow in there roles. Maybe listen to some other perspectives as well: ua-cam.com/video/DyzKpHg_bag/v-deo.htmlsi=MWi_F8go_wG8WF06

    • @thecultchronicles
      @thecultchronicles 3 місяці тому

      I've never once said I represent ATI or IBLP. I have been very consistent in telling exactly what happened to me. I have never once tried to take away or gaslight anyone else's good experiences. To deny your positive experiences in ATI and IBLP would be wrong of me. I am glad to know you had positive experiences. What I still fail to understand is why anyone would want to silence and deny me the negative and inappropriate experiences I endured. Is it that you believe I am a liar? Is it that it shakes your belief system if you DO choose to believe me? Are you worried that with more than one person saying similar things that are negative if means you have followed a man who is fallible? Do you not believe that there are christians who are capable of doing wrong things? Every interview I do, I try to be clear, concise and consistent. The one thing I will not do is be silenced by the few who refuse to believe me. I hope you never experience this in your life as it is not the thing I would want to be known for or by. I have far larger goals for my life than speaking out about the deaf ears that abuse falls on when it comes to communities of faith. I fail to see your christian heart as you defend your blessed life and deny that I could have had a very bad one. Continue to drink the Holly fruit punch if you must. It bothers me none. I will continue to discuss my story with those who are open to hearing, believing and considering that CHANGE is possible in a religious ministry who consistently covered up misdeeds.