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GearSkeptic
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Приєднався 6 вер 2017
Greetings, UA-camrs!
It's the internet, right? You see a lot of gear-related claims being made, but often without any supporting evidence to back them up. My goal is to examine these gear legends one by one to separate the facts from the folklore, provide objective analysis with factual references, and hopefully have some fun along the way!
It's the internet, right? You see a lot of gear-related claims being made, but often without any supporting evidence to back them up. My goal is to examine these gear legends one by one to separate the facts from the folklore, provide objective analysis with factual references, and hopefully have some fun along the way!
Backpacking Stove Efficiency, Part 4: Heat Exchanger Systems (HX Pots)
This video is Part 4 in a series on Backpacking Stove Efficiency. Considered here are Heat Exchangers (HX pots), with comparison of 7 different systems each at flame levels of Low, Medium, and High. HX systems are also compared to conventional titanium camp pots of varying diameters, with analysis of both fuel efficiency and weight efficiency.
It is recommended that you watch them in order, as each video builds upon concepts introduced previously.
Link to the series playlist:
ua-cam.com/play/PLEu_UfyDKJALh0XekpW2Dh8U6gICL7Xct.html
Download spreadsheet with the data and graphs:
www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/ay4poi60p0p7tyjk7uqix/Pot-Burner-Efficiency-HX.xlsx?rlkey=4ho4j203h82bz72nmy8jzt01i&dl=0
Index
00:42 Heat Exchangers
02:18 Methodology
02:56 HX Systems Tested
08:35 Flame Levels
09:24 Low Flame Results
12:57 Medium Flame Results
14:24 High Flame Results
15:16 HX Response to Increased Flame Level
15:51 Reactor 1.0L
18:47 Kettle
19:57 Petrel
20:26 Pot-Burner Gap
21:53 Cheetah
22:40 Stanco
25:21 MicroMo
26:09 Stash
31:15 High-Low HX Difference
32:32 HX Design Features
35:44 Weight vs. Fuel Efficiency
45:53 Savings of Consecutive Boils (Reactor)
50:29 Summary
It is recommended that you watch them in order, as each video builds upon concepts introduced previously.
Link to the series playlist:
ua-cam.com/play/PLEu_UfyDKJALh0XekpW2Dh8U6gICL7Xct.html
Download spreadsheet with the data and graphs:
www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/ay4poi60p0p7tyjk7uqix/Pot-Burner-Efficiency-HX.xlsx?rlkey=4ho4j203h82bz72nmy8jzt01i&dl=0
Index
00:42 Heat Exchangers
02:18 Methodology
02:56 HX Systems Tested
08:35 Flame Levels
09:24 Low Flame Results
12:57 Medium Flame Results
14:24 High Flame Results
15:16 HX Response to Increased Flame Level
15:51 Reactor 1.0L
18:47 Kettle
19:57 Petrel
20:26 Pot-Burner Gap
21:53 Cheetah
22:40 Stanco
25:21 MicroMo
26:09 Stash
31:15 High-Low HX Difference
32:32 HX Design Features
35:44 Weight vs. Fuel Efficiency
45:53 Savings of Consecutive Boils (Reactor)
50:29 Summary
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Backpacker Fact-Checker, #3: Inflating a pad with your breath
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This video is Part 3 in a series that investigates those Trail Tales you may have heard that tend to be repeated, over and over again, without ever being proven. This episode examines the ramifications of inflating a sleeping pad with your breath, with the two main questions being: Does the humidity in your breath lower the R-value? Does breath moisture cause mold inside the pad? To view the re...
Backpacking Stove Efficiency, Part 3: Windscreens
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This video is Part 3 in a series on Backpacking Stove Efficiency. It examines the effect of 3rd party windscreens on the performance of gas canister pot-stove systems, including both fuel and weight efficiency. Discussion includes flame levels for optimum efficiency at increasing windspeeds, a comparison of different windscreen types, and pot vs. bowl-based kits. It is recommended to view the s...
Backpacker Fact-Checker, #2: Heat Loss Through the Head
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This video series will take a skeptical look at some of the Trail Tales told frequently about backpacking, often without evidence or references. In each episode, I’ll do my best to try and track down the source of each claim so that you can make your own, informed decisions about the truth and/or usefulness of the supposed information. Episode #2 examines the familiar rule that “40 to 45% of yo...
Backpacker Fact-Checker, #1: Shoe Weight
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This video series will take a skeptical look at some of the Trail Tales told frequently about backpacking, often without evidence or references. In each episode, I’ll do my best to try and track down the source of each claim so that you can make your own, informed decisions about the truth and/or usefulness of the supposed information. Episode #1 examines the issue of shoe weight, and the famil...
Backpacking Stove Efficiency, Part 2: Wind Effects
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This video is Part 2 in a series on Backpacking Stove efficiency. It follows the examination in Part 1 with a look at how burner style, pot diameter, flame level, and lids affect heating performance at various levels of wind. It is recommended to watch Part 1 first, as that video introduces concepts meaningful to the interpretation of these results. View Part 1: ua-cam.com/video/J9Sz3IQ_DW4/v-d...
Backpacking Stove Efficiency, Part 1: Pot Diameter, Burner Size, Flame Level
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This video seeks to determine “best” backcountry cook kit options for both Fuel Efficiency and Weight Efficiency. It investigates the performance interaction of titanium pots in increasing diameters against stoves of various burner widths, and at 3 different flame levels. It also addresses the performance benefits of using a lid on your pot, and the question of whether a lid is worth the weight...
The Gear Workshop is Taking Shape
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Just a quick update and a look at the new Gear Workshop that is beginning to take shape. There will be all kinds of opportunities for the testing of gear in the new year! (intro sound by zapsplat.com)
Performance Nutrition for Backpackers, Part 5: Advanced Electrolyte Supplementation
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This video is Part 5 in a series on Performance Nutrition for Backpackers. It is recommended to watch the series in order, as each video builds upon concepts introduced previously. In particular, see Part 3 on Hydration Strategies and Part 4 on Electrolyte Balance. The Hiker Food Chart has been updated to version 2.5 and now includes a list of over 138 electrolyte supplements to choose from. Al...
Backcountry Water Treatment, Part 6: Ultraviolet Disinfection
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This video is Part 6 in a series on Backcountry Water Treatment methods. It is a discussion of Ultraviolet light’s germicidal capacity and the disinfection capabilities of available UV products, including the Steripen. Topics include the relative effectiveness against different pathogen types (cyst, bacteria, viruses), the effect of water condition on performance, safety hazards involved with U...
Backcountry Water Treatment - Part 5: Activated Carbon Filters for Chemicals and Viruses
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This video is Part 5 in a series on Backcountry Water Treatment methods. It is a discussion of electro-chemical adsorption (activated carbon and ion exchange) as a technology for water filtration, with the pros and cons as a treatment method for the reduction of chemicals and viruses in drinking water. Specific filter options are reviewed, with advice on how to pick the option that might best s...
Backcountry Water Treatment, Part 4: Ultrafiltration
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This video is Part 4 in a series on Backcountry Water Treatment methods, focusing on Ultrafiltration purifiers, also known as the removal of viruses (in addition to bacteria and cysts) from drinking water by size-exclusion. It addresses the claim that viruses are too small to be filtered by hollow-fiber membranes with 0.02-micron ratings, looks at filter options available in this class, and dis...
Backcountry Water Treatment, Part 3: Microfiltration
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Does it really matter whether your filter removes 99.9% versus 99.999%? This video is as much about concepts in filtration as it is about the filters themselves. It uses published, scientific studies on real-world concentrations of pathogens found in wilderness waters and lab-tested levels of available filtration rates to examine the question: How much Safety is “enough”? Analyzes risk assessme...
The Volumetric Calorie Density of Backpacking Food
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This video takes a look at the Volumetric Calorie Density of backpacking food. It is intended as a strategic guide for obtaining the most amount of food energy for the least amount of pack space. This can be particularly useful when faced with hard volume limits like when bear canisters are required. Index 00:21 Introduction (2 types of Calorie Density) 01:31 Mini-Food Chart of Volumetric Calor...
Planning an Ultralight Backpacking Menu for Optimal Trail Nutrition
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This video is a follow-up to the Performance Nutrition for Backpacker series and the Hiker Food Chart 2.0 (which is now further updated to version 2.5). It addresses the most commonly asked questions: How to use The Chart How to put all the nutrition videos together into an actual menu plan A full, multi-day backpacking menu as an example. Check out the Backpacker Food Series of videos here: ua...
Hiker Food Chart 2.0 (Updated and Upgraded)
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Hiker Food Chart 2.0 (Updated and Upgraded)
Backcountry Water Treatment, Part 2: Chemical Disinfection
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Backcountry Water Treatment, Part 2: Chemical Disinfection
Backcountry Water Treatment, Part 1: Boiling vs Pasteurization
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Backcountry Water Treatment, Part 1: Boiling vs Pasteurization
Performance Nutrition for Backpacking, Part 4: Electrolyte Balance
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Performance Nutrition for Backpacking, Part 4: Electrolyte Balance
Performance Nutrition for Backpacking, Part 3: Hydration Strategies
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Performance Nutrition for Backpacking, Part 3: Hydration Strategies
Performance Nutrition for Backpacking, Part 2: Optimal Hike Recovery
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Performance Nutrition for Backpacking, Part 2: Optimal Hike Recovery
Performance Nutrition for Backpacking, Part 1: Optimal Trail Fuel
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Performance Nutrition for Backpacking, Part 1: Optimal Trail Fuel
Freeze Dried Backpacking Meals Rated by Calorie Density (Part 2 in series)
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Freeze Dried Backpacking Meals Rated by Calorie Density (Part 2 in series)
Defining "Ultralight" Food for Backpacking and Bug Out Bags
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Defining "Ultralight" Food for Backpacking and Bug Out Bags
BRS 3000T, flame low, Toaks 550 pot, no lid
Seems from my uneducated view, if you are dehydrated, it takes longer to replenish glycogen, then the next day, if you repeat the same strategy, it's harder again and soon your bonked. Does that sound fair? A d a big thankyou, ive been cycling and consumed too much water, so suffered hypo, i always thought it was heat stroke. Also thought urin colour should be clear. Hmmmmmmmmm Again big thank you
I haven’t seen a study that explicitly discusses the glycogen recovery rate (just the depletion rate mentioned in the video), but it does sound reasonable. Many of those systems are interconnected.
Great video! Learned a lot...
great work! thank you very much, hope to see more
I have a question for you. Since backpacks absorb water, since they typically aren't waterproof, can it be said that it's better to carry a backpack cover, which would shed water better? My own rudimentary backyard experiments show that my backpack can gain 20 ounces of water weight, but my backpack cover, which weighs 4 ounces, only gains 2 ounces of water, so that's saving 14 ounces. Obviously, that would only apply for rainy trails like the AT and not so much for the CDT, but am I missing something? I've never seen this addressed. Thanks, love your channel.
I see your point. I can already hear some arguing that covers aren’t that perfect and your pack will still get wet over time anyway. Personally, I think that is a function of how careful you are. A lot of people seem to have trouble with rain gear that might be due more to improper or careless use rather than a failing of the gear itself.. Still, it is an interesting idea for testing. Possibilities for comparison: regular nylon (absorbent pack), that pack with a cover, that pack with a repellent treatment, treatment plus cover, and then try a pack of nonabsorbent waterproof material like DCF. 🤔
That is the best video series about stove efficiency ever. I understand better now the relation between input and output. If I simplify the greater your outputs are the greater your input needs to be in order to raise the temperature of your water. I tested the system on Mont Logan. Usually everybody use liquid stoves, because of the cold temperature and the limitation of the canister stove in those conditions (the gaz in the canister stay liquid and cannot vaporized because of the cold), BUT if you could keep the canister warm enough you could technically use a canister stove. Lot of people tried the copper strip to improve the use of canister in cold, we simply trade the tent for quinzy (snow caves). Inside a quinzy the temperature is around 0'C to -5'C. Which means that a canister stove works without any issues. Doing that we cut half the volume and half the weight compare using a liquid stove like everybody else. This winter I am heading to a 60 day ski traverse on the Hudson Bay, in Canada. We don't want to take the bet of building an igloo every night in order to use a canister stover... So we are bring the good old tent and liquid stove. After watching your serie of videos I was wondering how we could improve our system in order to save fuel ? Because the same principals will apply, the more we protect our system form the output the less input we will need. Thomas Ulrich created a system which is based on the first polar expeditions. Here is the link www.thomasulrich.com/en/polar-shop/stove.html The principal is simple, insulating the pot from the outside temperature to minimised the lost while heating up the water. A system used by Nansen on his polar expeditions. backpackinglight.com/forums/topic/vintage-stove-pot-design-for-frigid-temperatures/ With Ulrich system we can technically save 1/3 of the fuel compare to normal system (These days, pretty much everybody use MSR XGK stove, on polar expedition). But here is my question... (sorry that was a long introduction for a short question). Has the XGK is a really powerful stove that cannot be dimmed down. Would it be possible, with Ulrich system or something similare, to used a less powerful (or more adjustable) stove like the MSR dragonfly in order to save even more fuel ? Long polar expeditions (40 to 70 days) are using a lot of fuel and it would be awesome if we could use the results of your research to create an ultralight system for those adventures. p.s. a Part 5 on stove efficiency about the impact of the cold would be great (like real cold 0F to -20F at least). Thanks for your work.
I have begun collecting liquid fuel stoves, and alcohol stoves so that I can someday test those also for comparison to canister stoves. It will probably take me a long time to get through all those tests, though.
@@GearSkeptic I quick and dirty test, because you already have all that data with the same stoves and pot/bowl, would be to use the Nansen system (which is pretty much just a super big pot flip upside down over the whole system, somekind of a windscreen with a closed top. It is creating a warm/hot environnement and could potentially allow us to use the low flame, even with strong wind, and cold temperature. If the results are positive, I would be welling to try the system with diffrent liquid stove on my expedition and we could compare data.
28:54 this just tickles me to watch! So fun.
Given your results, the new Fire Maple G2 (750ml) pot should outperform the Petrel G3 since it is wider. If the Petrel does as well in your wind test as i expect, you might consider testing the G2 pot.
I learned years ago that a wide pot captures more heat with an alcohol stove, which cannot match a canister stove in btu output.
I use a homemade alcohol sit-on-top stove with an Evernew 1.3 liter titanium pot and a titanium windscreen with about a 1/2" Gap all around. I use a piece of aluminum oven liner cut to the size of the pot bottom as a way to prevent scorching of picnic tables and shelter floors. I would usually achieve a 2 cup boil in less than 5 minutes on a bit more than 1/2 a fluid ounce of denatured alcohol in every temperature above freezing. Wind had very little effect at higher temperatures, but much more at lower temperatures. I used that system for 1,100 miles on the Appalachian Trail last year. Not very scientific, but being able to boil water with a small cat food can and eco-friendly alcohol is enough for me to have stuck with the system for 20 years.
I am learning and teaching physics right now. This is so much fun. I am having my student watch ALL your videos. I could listen to you ALL day! 🤓 Thank you for taking the time and sharing with us.
You are most welcome! I hope some of it is useful 😊
It is fall! I say again, it is fall! We all want to see wind tests. On the Petrel maybe you can do a test with the stand on the bottom of the heat ex changer (not in the intended slots) to increase the distance from the burner? Thanks for nerding out! 😊
Testing is underway! And yes, I will try the petrel both in the slots and on the bottom. 👍🏼
Bro, you are a saint. I thought I was pretty good at calorie dense food packing and you just schooled me. I've been packing way to much carb/ sugar
Great video! The sound effects were awesome, well done.
Thanks!
Can you test decatlon forclas mt 900 it is around 50 grams with some wind protection-if you are down to test it i will pay for the stove!!!!!!!!!!!!
Bravo!
Great analysis, thank you. Have you reviewed the best water prefilter, ie. Millbank, Helikon-tek, Pentek, coffee paper filter, cotton cloth?
Not yet! I have been collecting pre-filter methods and thinking about what the testing methods would be 👍🏼
@@GearSkeptic I am currently watching one of your water treatment videos. Great science, thank you.
Watched with great interest and took notes! No mention, though, of how often to partake of trail fuel during a hike…is the goal to directly replace calories lost? If so, is that best to do every hour, four hours, end of the day?
Ideally, everything you eat would be trail fuel. I do have a video on planning an ultralight menu for optimum nutrition. That has sample menus of stuff I like to take where I try to be on the ratio pretty much with all my snacks between breakfast and dinner. Realistically, you may want to eat other stuff you like and just focus on a recovery drink (see Part 2 in the series). That works pretty good, too.
Hey, would it be possible to add the Firemaple G2 Petrel 750ml pot? It's 22g heavier, but I really prefer slightly bigger pots. Thanks for the great videos!
thanks dude, i learnt a lot, i teach survival skills and my go to, is,,, all ground water must be boiled. now Ive learnt something new, along with shrimp eyes, crab eyes and fish eyes as indicators for water temps. saves me in my alone time in the Aussie bush, well done sir....and yes, i have all of the items form making water safe, now i can cut down....
Man, Thank you so much for doing all this test. It’s Impressively HELPFULL. I wish you got a nice day 😊❤
You are very welcome! I am glad to help.
Great test but if you go for aluminium of stainless steel you reduce the cooking time even further. Titanium is not the best of heat conductors.
Working at a power plant we found the pain threshold to be holding a fingertip on a 120 degree surface to be a good rule of thumb. If you could hold your finger on it, it was below 120. If you had to just tap it, it was over 120. Ish.
Solid scientific testing! Would love to see data with aluminum and stainless steel pots included in the test
It is on my list! Aluminum vs titanium vs stainless steel, plus blackened pots vs shiny ones.
@@GearSkeptic looking forward for the results. Watched part 4 and made me want to get a petrel due to your test. Now on the fence with the Solo Navigator should I need to "cook" for the wife too :)
For the first time ever someone is better at providing answers than I am at asking questions
My sawyer squeeze got really drippy and slow in the offseason, and my treatment was: backflush with water and vinegar, soak in warm vinegar water for 1-2 hours, the a half dozen hard backflushes with warm water and it was flowing like new again. I did use the syringe, i use the bottle method in the field(with a squeeze bag).
Can somebody please give this man an oscar
One thing that would be a way to increase heat transfer is via phase change as in condensing and evaporation but the orientation of cold and warm side in opposite to optimal but when you lie on a pad not all of the top is covered it could conceivably condense on top then roll down to where you load the pad (or if there's some fillin by capilart action) and it's lower then increased evaporation due to heat and then condensation on the cold parts. But that's just possible mechanism. It's impact would have to be measured and would vary by humidity levels and temperature delta etc. Personally I haven't felt any difference between sel inflating and 3 breaths to inflating with breathing alone to get it inflated fast 😀
Great tests! Very interesting! Have you compared aluminum pots vs titanium pots? That would be a interesting comparison 😀👍
It is on my list! Aluminum vs titanium vs stainless steel pots. Also, blackened vs shiny pots.
Love your work!
I imagine aluminiun cookware would give even better efficiency since it's way more heat conducting.
Hi, hopefully this doesn’t sound picky. Is it possible for you to fix the play list so Part 1 is first then Part 2? It would flow better when I hit the play all button. Thanks again for all your work on these videos. It’s greatly appreciated!
Fixed it! Sorry for the delay. It sort of fell through the cracks for a while. Probably too late, but better for the next person :)
So much good information here, thank you for your work. But the errors are here as well as in the previous video: Dietary fibers should not be included as carbohydrates, as they are indigestible. The results and the score for many products are skewed. Not deducting the fibers, the score have gone up for foods that contain a lot of grains especially, and they look better than they are. Some items should probably be in a lower class.
Fantastic video! But it seems like there are errors in the calculations. Dietary fibers should not be included as carbohydrates, as they are indigestible. I looked at the nutritional values for some bars at least, and for all of them the total weight of carbohydrates had been used in the calculations, without deducting the fibers. This will lower the score quite a bit for many foods that contain a lot of grains especially, making the difference to more fat-rich foods even more pronounced. Other than that I'm surprised pemmican wasn't mentioned. (Or did I miss it?) I believe that in practice this is the very lightest food, since most people seem to be able to eat a proportionally large amount of it per day - more so than you could with the very few things in the lists that score higher. (Pemmican have about 5.75 kcal/g.) You don't see people eat a jar of peanut butter everyday for example, while eating the same amount of energy - or more! - in the form of pemmican is common among those that use it. (Or do people actually eat this much peanut butter? I would guess eating say one to two jars of peanut butter every day for two weeks will cause problems for your digestion. Or can you get used to it?) Pemmican is not much like any other food however, so don't let prejudice and lack of experience straight away affect your judgement if you try it. I found it really good and tasty when I got used to it.
I just stumble on the videos and all the great excel data, awesome! Now that a dietitian has bless this, just makes me more impressed. Thanks to all as at 64 I'm just getting into backpacking and this info is soooooo helpful, cheers!
Not scientific, but I’ve been using Grayl GeoPress for a few years now. I’m residing in a developing country so I filter all drinking water. What I’ve noticed that you can check the filter degradation by blowing air through it. When the filter is new, no air passes through. When it starts to degrade after months of heavy use, more and more air starts to pass through. When you replace the filter its up to the user of course. Thank you for the videos.
Spannende verhalen met Roy 😅
I’m learning so much by watching your videos, thank you.
You are welcome! I hope it can help.