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winging BIG Armstong foils back-to-back APF1675 / APF1350 / HA1180
this has been on my mind for the past few weeks. it's even the second time I tried to compare these, last time the wind crapped out before I was done and satisfied. so paired with my 7m Duotone Ventis, I cycle through all my large Armstrong foils while winging in one session to compare their speeds and characteristics. are the APF foils wingable? how do they compare to the largest HA that Armstrong recently put out? I aim to figure this out once and for all in a high-stakes match up that may put one of my foils on the chopping block.
gear ridden this sesh:
Armstrong 107L dw board
APF 1675 foil
APF 1350 foil
HA 1180 foil
40 dart stab (red & blue shims)
795 HW mast
60cm fuse
7m Duotone Ventis
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Відео

1st flatwater paddle with APF1350 (& testing 3 different stabs)
Переглядів 1,4 тис.День тому
I've been paddling with my dw board a lot lately. after very briefly trying a friend's APF1350, I immediately called my wing dealer to order one. so it just arrived in the mail, and I take it out to PBay for it's maiden paddle. I decided to try to paddle up the v1 HA1325, it's been on my agenda to try that for a while. then I switch to the 1350. I ended up trying 3 different stabs... the 180 Sp...
new gear day YEAYY!! (PPC M1 & Armstrong 75L ML)
Переглядів 2,6 тис.14 днів тому
nothing gets me more stoked than some new gear! an new wing, a new board... both I feel like I waited forever to get and they both arrive in the same week. this session I got to put them through their paces at my flatwater spot in Boston. lots of air, carving, transitions, and breaking into behind-the-back passes... it was an awesome afternoon! 1st impressions at the end. enjoy! gear ridden thi...
downwinger on Cape Cod (scouting future dw runs)
Переглядів 86921 день тому
yeah. that's right. I called it a downwinger. moving on... so we are trying to break into downwinding, but we are just at that figuring-it-out phase. ready and eager, we have to start somewhere. after a failed attempt a few days ago, we decided to scout out some terrain with our wings for a future run. we ended up having an awesome session. gear ridden wing sesh: 4.5m v3 Strike 75L Armstrong v1...
F-One Eagle X 800 & v4 Swing 4.5m demo
Переглядів 3,3 тис.Місяць тому
so stoked I was given the opportunity to ride the F-One Eagle X 800 foil & 4.5m Swing wing for a few sessions in the past week. unfortunately there wasn't a lot of wave opportunities but I was determined to ride some bumps, so I drove to Rhode Island in search of swell to pair with these fine F-One products, and I ended up finding the stoke I was looking for. I didn't ride these enough to do a ...
Cabrinha Mantis (v4) and Vision (v2) WING REVIEW
Переглядів 1,1 тис.Місяць тому
oh man what a fun few weeks! Cabrinha lent me these two wings and it's been fun to ride them and getting to know them. you may have noticed I have been riding a v3 Mantis lately, and really digging it. so I was eager to try the v4, and guess what?!? got me stoked. this is a mostly full review of these two wings in the same video, riding each for multiple sessions, two sessions with both wings b...
Mantis (v4 & v3) in fun onshore windswell
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I love it when you go to the beach with uncertainties and you are delivered a solid session! our wing crew was representing (8-10 of us out there) and we were all frothing at the conditions, the waves ended up being way more fun that anticipated! we are all getting better and it's so much fun to be around other wingers ripping! this sesh I use the v4 Cabrinha Mantis for the first time (HUGE tha...
surfing all those reflections
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sometimes you have a soulful session that makes you smile at it all. such a beautiful day and awesome conditions, I'm so thankful that my road has taken me here. no motors needed. powered on stoke alone. (oh, and I connected like 5 waves and I'm freaking out) gear ridden this sesh: 107L Armstrong DW board HA1180 foil 795 HM mast, 11 in track 60 fuse 180 Speed stab (red & blue shim) XL SprintX B...
gotta love a good side-on
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I love side on. sometimes it's better than others. I love it when it's really working and every tack is rapid fire wave riding. gear ridden wing sesh: 75L Armstrong v1 FG board HA880 foil 795 HM mast, 10 in track 60 fuse 140 dart stab (blue & red shim) 5m Cabrinha Mantis 5:4 Mahulu Stormrider wetsuit Kaohi double coil grip leash & padded belt Solite 8mm Custom 2.0 booties
I wish every day off was like this
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I just got to ride 4 days in a row. 4 days! I feel so lucky to be able to do that, the downwind board and paddling has only opened up sessions for me. but not all the sessions were as satisfying as I wished; I had a lot of frustrations. so to finally score a good day... like, the best day, left me thankful and stoked. gear ridden paddle sesh: 107L Armstrong DW board HA1180 foil 795 HM mast, 11 ...
things are finally connecting
Переглядів 1,8 тис.2 місяці тому
it's been a long trip everyone. I have not really covered this, but over the last few months I've had 20 sessions where I've worked to paddle up on to foil on the flatwater with my Armstrong DW board and foils. I haven't fully committed, but steadily working on it while there wasn't much wind. this sport is quite annoying because the progress has been slow, but it's cumulative and things seemed...
thoughts from riding four foils in one day
Переглядів 2,6 тис.2 місяці тому
the ultimate question: do I keep the MA1000 or can I be happy with the HA680 in its place? I’ve had an awesome month - I've been able to hit waves for every session. so I’ve actually been looking forward to a flatwater sesh where I can try some Armstrong foils back-to-back in a somewhat controlled setting. so when the opportunity came up, I brought x2 new HA’s and x2 of my old MA’s to the beach...
wild rides with the HA580 (the sesh I was waiting for)
Переглядів 1,3 тис.2 місяці тому
I gotta say, Horseneck Beach has a lot of interesting terrain to ride. big waves going in all different directions was a blast to carve with the HA580 and the 140 dart tail. This was the sesh I've been looking forward to, so stoked. it was crazy chaotic and awesome. so nice to say yeayyyy 580! gear ridden this sesh: 75L v1 Armie FG board HA580 foil 795 HM mast, 10 in track 60 fuse 140 dart stab...
you wave killing GoPro... big Point Judith day looking small
Переглядів 1,8 тис.3 місяці тому
OK so I had a sick sesh. the waves were totally fun. I bombed down them. big. powerful. awesome. and my GoPro made it look so vanilla. this isn't like a random thing. it happens all the time. it's annoying. its's comical. it is what it is. but for it to make large fun waves look so insignificant… it's frustrating. so I'm talking it out. a little Pt.J geography sprinkled in. I'm still stoked fro...
difficult HA580 big wave sesh
Переглядів 2,1 тис.3 місяці тому
OK so not every session works out the way you plan. jeeez I prove that to myself over and over. but I still get stoked when I see certain FX with big waves. I want so badly to unleash the potential of that HA580. I know it shreds. I've seen just a glimmer of what it can do. I've since dreamed about it multiple times. so I was so stoked going into this potentially SICK sesh... I know better, but...
1st HA580 sesh got me SO STOKED!
Переглядів 1,6 тис.3 місяці тому
1st HA580 sesh got me SO STOKED!
determined to ride waves
Переглядів 1,6 тис.3 місяці тому
determined to ride waves
stoked wave sesh with new foil/stab combo
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stoked wave sesh with new foil/stab combo
HA680 jump sesh... will it replace MA1000? vol. 1
Переглядів 1,3 тис.4 місяці тому
HA680 jump sesh... will it replace MA1000? vol. 1
OK I tried the Origin too
Переглядів 3,5 тис.4 місяці тому
OK I tried the Origin too
wait, there's a v4 Strike?!?
Переглядів 4,5 тис.4 місяці тому
wait, there's a v4 Strike?!?
flatwater speed testing my new HA foils (pt1)
Переглядів 2,5 тис.5 місяців тому
flatwater speed testing my new HA foils (pt1)
surfing with dw board and new Solites (GIVEAWAY!!)
Переглядів 1,4 тис.5 місяців тому
surfing with dw board and new Solites (GIVEAWAY!!)
solo wingSURF sesh rockin' the HA680 (1st time)
Переглядів 1,7 тис.5 місяців тому
solo wingSURF sesh rockin' the HA680 (1st time)
I fell in love during a small wave sesh (HA880)
Переглядів 1,9 тис.5 місяців тому
I fell in love during a small wave sesh (HA880)
trying the HA880 and dw board combo
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trying the HA880 and dw board combo
trying to beat my old zebra cake record while running the Ghost Train
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trying to beat my old zebra cake record while running the Ghost Train
getting out in offshore wind through whitewater
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getting out in offshore wind through whitewater
new HA880 on cray day at Yirrell
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new HA880 on cray day at Yirrell
wingsurfing dw board and MA1000
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wingsurfing dw board and MA1000

КОМЕНТАРІ

  • @rocketmarket684
    @rocketmarket684 3 години тому

    Really good review, agree with everything you said, just sold my 1675 after I got my 1350, which I love. I had much less hate towards the 1675, but I am pushing 200 lbs. so maybe that helped? I actually kinda liked the 1675, until the 1350.Picking up my 7m CWC tomorrow, replacing my V3 8m, pretty stoked, rode a buddies and the weight and handling felt like a 6m but with as much power has my old 8. Anyway, you have the best site going for information and reviews, greatly appreciated!

  • @mh3530
    @mh3530 День тому

    Nice pumping achievement! I’ve tested the 202 and the 220 for pumping with the 1675 and chose the glide tail eventually. Try to do 2-3 quick pumps and then let it glide in order to stay aerobic

  • @windski2
    @windski2 2 дні тому

    Thanks!

    • @OCEANBOUND1
      @OCEANBOUND1 11 годин тому

      DUDE! you are amazing. thanks bud, humbled, truly appreciated.

  • @stormbroke
    @stormbroke 2 дні тому

    I’m into ISUP so this review was somewhat relevant and I liked the way it is presented. I’ve been checking around and this pump seems to have one of the larger (claimed) battery capacity which is worth considering if you need to inflate multiple boards.

  • @cyanwingfoil-kite-dive-travels

    another great video thx so much for your amazing tips and wow guest star the ventis beast ahhah legend you are have a great week and thx for keeping me inspired too

  • @markfontana4033
    @markfontana4033 3 дні тому

    Great review. Thanks. Middle of summer in Virginia and wind is low often. If you had to pick just the 1350 or the HA 1180, which one is more stable in the turns and what is the low end of both? Thanks

  • @pheelers1831
    @pheelers1831 4 дні тому

    I also have a couple curved foils which come up easy but have little feedback from pumping vs my flatter ones.

    • @OCEANBOUND1
      @OCEANBOUND1 3 дні тому

      Yeah all the new HAs have a little bit of it and it def helps for pumping. Luckily that means you can do smaller sizes so they are more fun to turn. What do you ride? Axis?

    • @pheelers1831
      @pheelers1831 3 дні тому

      @OCEANBOUND1 I use North foils. Not on the newest generation, but I think they are great. Good value.

    • @OCEANBOUND1
      @OCEANBOUND1 3 дні тому

      @@pheelers1831 right on! doesn't matter what you ride as long as you like it!! I wish you an awesome day!

  • @naughtymonkeyman5645
    @naughtymonkeyman5645 4 дні тому

    J Man. Great content. Loving the objectivity. Gotta say my low end go to is the 980/180 with a 5m XPS, agreeing with @Stefan-foil. This works for me down to about 10 kts. Keep it coming & stay frosty. 🌊🏄🏽‍♀️

    • @OCEANBOUND1
      @OCEANBOUND1 3 дні тому

      thank you my awesome monkey friend. yeah the fact I have an 1180 is more for paddling but it's nice using it! otherwise I tend to think of my 880 as my light wind foil. if I need the 1180 or 1350 to wing, at this point I'd prolly rather be paddling!

  • @christomo
    @christomo 4 дні тому

    Spot on agree my 1600 is big and slower but at my weight amazing in a wave and easy to turn and mt 1300 is as you say more dynamic and fun . Great share loved the one handed ✋️ lets go . Have a great week mate speak soon 👍 😊😊

    • @OCEANBOUND1
      @OCEANBOUND1 3 дні тому

      Woot woot thanks bud! The one handed thing made my freakin day!! The little things… lol. Makes that 7m more appealing, also makes Duotone handles or booms more appealing in general. Hope all is well bud. Pretty damn flat over here but we are still having fun. I wish you an awesome weekend ahead!!

    • @christomo
      @christomo 3 дні тому

      @OCEANBOUND1 flat here as well. we are away on a surf trip at Cresswell towers Northumberland 🏰 stunning wild camping ,wing ,Sup and fishing . Have a great week, and speak soon .

    • @OCEANBOUND1
      @OCEANBOUND1 3 дні тому

      @@christomo no waayyy! enjoy bud! can't wait to hear about it!

  • @michaelrichter7734
    @michaelrichter7734 5 днів тому

    Tacking the 1675 feels like slo mo catching an edge on a snowboard, wonder how much it would wake up if you cut off those folded wing tips? Yes scp- 755 is fast loose, 1180 easy rider. Good video thanks OB

    • @OCEANBOUND1
      @OCEANBOUND1 3 дні тому

      Thanks bud I appreciate it! And yeah the 1675 isn’t bad but I’m growing out of it and that 1350 makes everything more fun. Stoked. The 755… I gotta get there. I will justify it once I start doing more DW runs. Appreciate it, I wish you an awesome week ahead!!

  • @wingfoilrentals
    @wingfoilrentals 5 днів тому

    Thanks Will be buying the 1350 Well done. 👍 best reviews on the internet. Armstrong should be PAYING YOU because I recommend the gear, and it’s your feedback that has me pinpoint per rider.

    • @OCEANBOUND1
      @OCEANBOUND1 4 дні тому

      haha thanks bud! you should have zero regrets with the 1350! I' love that foil! LMK what you think when you get it. hope all is well, I wish you an awesome weekend!

  • @larrycollar1322
    @larrycollar1322 5 днів тому

    Glad to hear you didn’t disrespect the Ventis too much. Although you were vindicated at the end. You are the primary reason I bought one. Not sorry I did even though I almost never bring it out. But when you want to go winging and there is almost no wind, you better have something like the Ventis in your quiver. So far, no interest in flat water paddle up. Looks like way too much effort for the reward. Always entertaining Jeremy. Thanks for taking us along.

    • @OCEANBOUND1
      @OCEANBOUND1 3 дні тому

      Hahaha yeah no disrespect on the Ventis here! I don’t dislike it at all, I just haven’t had a need for it lately after I got the DW board and have been focusing more on that and newer HA foils. I was thinking about selling it in the last month but after this recent sesh, I reckon it stays! Glad yr digging it too! And no worries about the paddle ups… def not for everyone. I have this spot down the street from my house that is perfect for it, and it’s a total workout. So I’m hooked but I totally see how most will have no interest putting their mind and body through these efforts. It totally sucks until it gets better 😂 going deep right there. I hope all is well and I wish you an awesome day!

  • @bcransto1
    @bcransto1 5 днів тому

    Great work as usual! Sweet to hear you break down big foils. I was foil driving and pumping Phil’s 1900 Jam yesterday and today. For a moment I hit the pumping sweet spot and could finally get why people do it. 😀

    • @OCEANBOUND1
      @OCEANBOUND1 3 дні тому

      Thanks bud! I gotta try that Jam. It’s on my short list for sure, and I totally wonder if it comes close to any of the foils I’ve been using. Let’s ride soon!

  • @TheGalagona
    @TheGalagona 5 днів тому

    Perfect review!!! I’m winging the APF 1675 and at 85 kg is nice only in flat and till 14/15 knots but as you said turning is bad. Thank you for the advice about the HA 1180 that will be my next purchase 😉

    • @OCEANBOUND1
      @OCEANBOUND1 3 дні тому

      Sweet bud I’m glad you dug it! You should have no issues with the 1180, it’s a great foil. LMK if you get it what you think! Thanks and I wish you an awesome day!

  • @scp8412
    @scp8412 5 днів тому

    Time to try a DWP755! :D

    • @OCEANBOUND1
      @OCEANBOUND1 5 днів тому

      Oh dude I totally want to try one! I’ll try to reach out and see if they would send me one to demo. Have you tried the other sizes or just the 755?

  • @alexandersoderholm3619
    @alexandersoderholm3619 5 днів тому

    The timing of this video could not be more perfect, I litterally just unboxed my 1180! I thought it would be a good next step after my beginner HS1850 and now I can't wait to get out to try it. SO HYPED!!!

    • @OCEANBOUND1
      @OCEANBOUND1 5 днів тому

      Oh dude, yr gonna be stoked! Should be a huge improvement over the 1850 you know. LMK what you think!! Yr gonna want a smaller one like the 780. Enjoy, and I wish you an awesome day!

    • @alexandersoderholm3619
      @alexandersoderholm3619 5 днів тому

      @@OCEANBOUND1 Eventually I will definitely add smaller ones as well, just have to save the peanuts for em :P

  • @Stefan-Foil
    @Stefan-Foil 5 днів тому

    And I thought my biggest foil HA980 has crazy low-end. I also argument with that and a DW board you don’t need bigger than a 5,5 or 6,0 meter wing. If the wing has a good low end. I bigger wing has more drag, I did a back to back test anyway and is what I figured

    • @OCEANBOUND1
      @OCEANBOUND1 5 днів тому

      sup bud! yeah I think of the 1180 more of a surf and paddle foil, and my 880 is more my light wind foil. I can get out in less with the 1180, but I'm really not super into going out in wind that low. 13-14 is my cutoff these days, otherwise I'll paddle. I def agree with the wing size as well. that's why I haven't used that 7m Ventis in 9 months, the dw board and a HA foil make smaller 5m sizes work. this was my second attempt at doing speed trials on these foils, it's it's really hard to do speed runs and push limits when you are kinda underpowered. so that's why I brought the 7m to push speed, and I'm glad I did! thanks bud, I wish you an awesome weekend!

    • @Stefan-Foil
      @Stefan-Foil 5 днів тому

      @@OCEANBOUND1Hope you have a great weekend as well. Yes it makes sense to use a big wing to push speed, and it is always interesting hearing your views and the reason I follow your channel

    • @wingfoilrentals
      @wingfoilrentals 5 днів тому

      Best channel, hey there stef. What an awesome assessment of the 1350. Holy smokes. That is the combo 780 above 12…1350 below 😝 and pair with the new 100 Armie mid length for ALL (85kg rider) 🎉

    • @OCEANBOUND1
      @OCEANBOUND1 3 дні тому

      @@Stefan-Foil thanks bud! truly appreciated.

  • @mikebillets9671
    @mikebillets9671 5 днів тому

    I have not tried the new X series yet. Probably testing it here soon.

    • @OCEANBOUND1
      @OCEANBOUND1 5 днів тому

      right on, it's definitely nice. If I were all FOne I'd def have one or two in the quiver.

  • @msbarnet1
    @msbarnet1 5 днів тому

    Great stuff. It's refreshing for a reviewer to straight talk on gear performance. So many reviewers/sponsored rider "reviews" are just promotional garbage. Thanks for keeping it real!

    • @OCEANBOUND1
      @OCEANBOUND1 5 днів тому

      awww thanks so much bud! I like to think I'm keeping it real :P I wish you an awesome weekend!!

  • @123jacquesattaque
    @123jacquesattaque 5 днів тому

    Great break down, enjoyed it, thanks! Just swapped the 1675 for the 1350 and I agree on your points. I also feel that the PM795 is not stiff enough to really handle the bigger APF for me at 172lbs/78kg, especially with the 202 tail or in turbulent water. And I’m also amazed by the different sections along the span of the 1350, it seems very sophisticated and an evolution of the first two APFs. I wonder if I can pump longer distance and/or time with the 1350? What do you think?

    • @OCEANBOUND1
      @OCEANBOUND1 5 днів тому

      awesome, thank YOU! interesting you don't think of the 795 as stiff enough. I haven't experienced that but I'll totally try to notice if I can feel that in my next sessions. totally agreed, the evolution is real. the 1350 is kinda it's own thing, with characteristics of both it's the bigger APF siblings and HA cousins. I totally think I can pump it better, mostly cause the 1675 is so awkward that I tend to make a mistake on it, where the 1350 is a little more natural and as I get more tuned to it I think things will be easier to keep the pump going. looking pretty flat in the next week or so around here so there will be lots of paddling. thanks bud, I wish you an awesome weekend!

  • @mikebillets9671
    @mikebillets9671 6 днів тому

    Great review. After riding the SK8 850 here in the gorge, the eagle 890 and the Eagle 790. I sold all my Armstrong foils. I had a HA925, MA 1000 and all the new HA780&HA880. F-ones are faster and the SK8 is more fun in swell. Finally they don’t “misbehave” at all! Kudos F-one, Note: I prefer the 85cm mast, who’s they offered a 90cm, 95 is a bit long.

    • @OCEANBOUND1
      @OCEANBOUND1 5 днів тому

      sweet to hear you are preferring the FOne gear! I def could be happy riding their stuff, I'm just so heavily invested in Armstrong that it's hard to jump over. I have more FOne stuff coming soon! I think I'm going to get to try the EagleX 1000 and the Eagle 1190... so stoked to try the bigger sizes! I loved that EagleX 700 for winging. have you tried one?

  • @vilramos
    @vilramos 8 днів тому

    Looks like fun! The GoPro has the wide angle lens so I know exactly what you mean, when you say it affects the size of the wave in video footage. However, I see your friends in the background next to the waves, I can tell it was a huuuuge day! It looks awesome. One option for you is to use a mount that pushes the gopro away from you with a long extender arm that allows you to toggle down the POV from super wide to wide or even to linear. Or try attaching the gopro to your wing's nose or tail somehow.

    • @OCEANBOUND1
      @OCEANBOUND1 7 днів тому

      Totally! Have you tried the insta360?

    • @vilramos
      @vilramos 7 днів тому

      @@OCEANBOUND1 no but I have seen footage and it is amazing. One question I have is how much memory do the files use.

  • @rocketmarket684
    @rocketmarket684 10 днів тому

    Super helpful Jeremy, got my 1350 a month ago and love it! I have all those tails as well and thanks for confirming what I was feeling. 202 tail for pumping is definitely the winner although it still feels like 10 years away for success in the flatwater paddle up, but you're right, incredible work out and very valuable time spent, not just a party trick. I also love the 1350/220 for riding swell (in the gorge) with a wing, instant 50% improvement in my ability in that discipline.Thanks Jeremy another really helpful video!

    • @OCEANBOUND1
      @OCEANBOUND1 9 днів тому

      awesome bud! I'm def into the 202 now, but I needed to use the 220 for a while to get to the point where the 202 got unlocked. lol. but def good once you are up and pumping. I think they developed it for dock starting and the apf so maybe it's more for flatwater party tricks but it's def nice and easy when practicing the leg pumping!

  • @michaelrichter7734
    @michaelrichter7734 11 днів тому

    Do hard things - The Wizard and Simeon on the same wavelength

    • @OCEANBOUND1
      @OCEANBOUND1 11 днів тому

      LOVE this. seems like the mantra of my life, whether I've chosen it or not. but I dig. loving the challenge, both physical and mental. thanks and I wish you an awesome day!!

  • @sk-hd4ys
    @sk-hd4ys 11 днів тому

    Did you try to winging with this APF?

    • @OCEANBOUND1
      @OCEANBOUND1 11 днів тому

      no not yet. I was going to yesterday but decided to use the 880 instead. I'm going to do some speed tests with it in the next week or so, maybe that'll be my next video. the 1675 was annoying for me so I'm hoping this one feels better to wing with! thanks bud, I wish you an awesome weekend!

  • @naughtymonkeyman5645
    @naughtymonkeyman5645 11 днів тому

    JMan I was tired watching you!!! Great effort & awesome content, as always..🤘🏽🌊🏄🏽‍♀️

  • @christomo
    @christomo 12 днів тому

    Coming on nicely my man it's funny how you think you start to understand how foils work then I always seem to find a whole new rabbit hole to go down. Always learning. Great informative film thanks buddy 👍. Have a good week

    • @OCEANBOUND1
      @OCEANBOUND1 11 днів тому

      thanks Chris! and the rabbit hole keeps going!!! I love it. this one is so similar to back when we started winging, but a little more patience was required, at least for me. good times, lol. I wish you and your crew and amazing weekend bud! I hope y'all are getting some wind!

  • @aurelienschwartz5069
    @aurelienschwartz5069 12 днів тому

    Hey Jeremy! Are you using the red shim with the pump 202? And where in the tracks are you setting your mast for flat water paddle ups? Thanks!!

    • @OCEANBOUND1
      @OCEANBOUND1 11 днів тому

      woot woot! :P

    • @rocketmarket684
      @rocketmarket684 10 днів тому

      @@OCEANBOUND1 hey Jeremy did I miss the reply to this?

    • @OCEANBOUND1
      @OCEANBOUND1 9 днів тому

      @@rocketmarket684 yeah it was a double post, I responded in the other one as such: sup bud! I'm using a read and blue shim for all my stabs. every time I dial it back I get annoyed with the drag. I'm putting my new HAs and the APFs at 10 in the mast track. the HS and the MA I would put at 8, so it's a little more forward. that's what's worked for me, I've done a ton of micro adjustments from sesh to sesh and still come back to 10 with a happy face. hope this helps! I wish you an awesome day!!

    • @rocketmarket684
      @rocketmarket684 9 днів тому

      @@OCEANBOUND1 wow, furthest I've pushed it is to 6, you're a maniac!

  • @aurelienschwartz5069
    @aurelienschwartz5069 12 днів тому

    Hey Jeremy! Did you have the red shim on the pump 202? And where in the tracks are you setting your mast for paddle ups? Thanks!!

    • @OCEANBOUND1
      @OCEANBOUND1 11 днів тому

      sup bud! I'm using a read and blue shim for all my stabs. every time I dial it back I get annoyed with the drag. I'm putting my new HAs and the APFs at 10 in the mast track. the HS and the MA I would put at 8, so it's a little more forward. that's what's worked for me, I've done a ton of micro adjustments from sesh to sesh and still come back to 10 with a happy face. hope this helps! I wish you an awesome day!!

  • @FluidFoil
    @FluidFoil 12 днів тому

    Dude, awesome job on the paddle ups and pumping progression. It's really relevant to me right now, I've got flat water out my window and have made the initial steps but having never been a SUP guy I've got a long ways to go yet. Super interesting hearing your opinions on the tails, I've got the 180 and 220 and have been wondering if there is a better choice. I'm currently failing with the 1675 and 220 but I know it's not the foil/stab, I can barely stand on my 100L. I just need to put in the time. The 1350 is awesome in light wind, definitely a lot quicker than the 1675 but still gets up and going in almost nothing. I've been having a ton of fun sailing it, can't wait to see what you do with it and how it works for you. Thanks for the inspiration!

    • @OCEANBOUND1
      @OCEANBOUND1 11 днів тому

      sup bud! good to hear you are moving in this direction! it's a trip, and I'm starting to really get addicted to the physical challenge of it all. so if anything, the one thing I hope to impart on people new to this is that it takes time and lots of effort, progress is slow and can be frustrating but just look for the little wins everywhere. you need to build stamina, power, speed and technique... it all takes time and won't come over night. you are lucky you have flatwater so close to home! every 20 min paddle sesh is worth it. as far as the stab goes, I think you are good with the 220! I did start to see a difference when I started using that, right as I was starting to get up on foil. the 202 seems to be better for me NOW that I'm up and pumping, but it frustrated me a ways back. I paddled the 180 again yesterday and I def prefer the 220 or 202 over that on the flat water, but mostly cause the pumping is just a little faster on the 180 and it's nice to have a slightly slower cadence. as long as you have it, I'd stick to the 1675 until you start to lift, and the 1350 just needs and extra paddle or two more. I haven't winged the 1350 yet, I almost did yesterday. I will soon, I'm interested to see how fast I can get it to go. keep me in the loop on your progress! I wish you an awesome weekend!

  • @stucooper4132
    @stucooper4132 12 днів тому

    Great video, just starting on my paddle up journey. Havent got a 1675 just yet, will have to start off with my MA1750 in learning to paddle. I'll put the APF1350 on my christmas wishlist😊 Kia Ora from New Zealand 😊

    • @OCEANBOUND1
      @OCEANBOUND1 12 днів тому

      sup bud! and thanks! the 1675 was a great start for me. my friend is a little bigger and got the 1880 and that worked well for him, but def go 1675 unless you are a big dude. the 1350 could prolly be your first but will def be a little harder. LMK when you get that 1675 and start the paddle process! it's exciting and frustrating like winging! lol. thanks and I wish you an awesome weekend!

  • @ericfernand
    @ericfernand 12 днів тому

    I wonder how the new HA 1180 would compare? I debate between it and the 1350 for super light downwinding

    • @OCEANBOUND1
      @OCEANBOUND1 12 днів тому

      so I've used the 1180 maybe 10 times surfing and winging, and I've tried three times to paddle it up - twice on the flat and once on a cray day in bumps that were not steep enough. my technique is getting better, and I'm looking forward to the day I can paddle that up and make it work. I've been saying "I can't wait to get rid of the 1675" so I've been trying hard to dial everything in on that in hopes that I can soon unlock the 1180. then the 1350 comes in, it sits right in the middle, where I just happen to be progression-wise. so once up, the 1180 is great. good pumper, good glide, and decent turning for it's size. the 1350 is a great pumper and glider, turning is the sacrifice. so if you are using a wing, I'd say 1180. but if paddling, and still kinda new to that, the 1350 is great. I hope that helps. LMK what you end up getting!

    • @ericfernand
      @ericfernand 12 днів тому

      @@OCEANBOUND1 Cool thanks for the details. Still leaning 1180 I think. I'm only 68kg (so it should be a little easier for me than it would be for you), and my technique is half decent (I can downwind the cabrinha 1050 but just barely (I eventually make a mistake and never connect more than 2-3 minutes at a time)) Just looking for something that has better lowend than that cabrinha 1050... just hard to say if its enough for me to flatwater start. I totally agree with you that regardless that if its a party trick or not, its still great training for the legs and to dial in pump technique, so flatwater startability is a must for me.

    • @OCEANBOUND1
      @OCEANBOUND1 12 днів тому

      @@ericfernand yeah I certainly aspire to paddle it up… I will some day!! Getting close, been a month since I tried. If you get the 1180 you will use it. You can always add the 1350 after if you are frustrated. LMK what you get and what you think!!

  • @philiptuffs-wh7jp
    @philiptuffs-wh7jp 13 днів тому

    Hi Jeremy your videos never disappoint . Would you have any advise I have been wing foiling for over a year on Armstrong ma foils find all great kit but find pitch control hard . I have a 70 fuselage 235 stab . I put a blue shim in that made it 5% better but still up and down and breach a lot . Should I put the mast from centre more forward so I have more pressure on front foot . Help

    • @OCEANBOUND1
      @OCEANBOUND1 12 днів тому

      sup bud! interesting you find pitch control an issue with the 70 fuse. I've only tried one once and it was a waaaay smoother ride, slower to turn and seemed more stable as far as pitch goes. so it seems like something else going on here, but shims on the 70 could be a lot different than the 60 I ride. less shim should stabilize it and point your nose a little more down. I guess let me ask you... what board are you on? where are you in the mast track now? and is breaching your main problem? also, have you tried other foils or only Armstrong MAs?

    • @philiptuffs-wh7jp
      @philiptuffs-wh7jp 12 днів тому

      @@OCEANBOUND1 hi thanks for getting back to me , I have a gong KUBE 95ltrs 4’6” think it is a freestyle board with feet on forward strap position , mast in centre . I have a Armstrong ha 1850 foil that is slightly more stable . Breaching has been my main problem had some real heavy crashes . I think it is me not the kit it feels like I am on a balance board and after a few minutes it just hard work . I was told at the beach two weeks ago put the fuselage forward so I have more pressure on my front leg felt better but was 3.5 weather , last week I went out 6 Mtr was all over the place . I might go out a few more times then think about a lesson I am out of ideas .

  • @fluiditynz
    @fluiditynz 13 днів тому

    This is another interesting video from you. I have to say that to me, this is a confirmation that too much aspect ratio spoils the fun. It was interesting to hear and see you comparing the HA and the SK8 because I've been comparing my own latest creation to the SK8 and my creation before that to the new Armstrong starter foil. But when I looked at even the thin SK8 tip thickness clearly shown in your comparison, my wingtips are not only so much thinner, but so much pointier. Really, I would not like to be sliced by my own foil. And then I looked the thick tips of your thick HA chopped Armstrong HA and I thought "Oh no!..." and I wasn't at all surpried to hear you liked the better agility, but I was surprised that you didn't express any view on the feel of less area and the loss of the small tip flex. But then you described others raves about their own chop experiences and I thought that maybe I understood the psychology of your own positivity about the experience! My reckoning is that wingtips are about wingtip vortices control and the rest of the foil is about drag vs stall speed compromises. Now I am moulding my second copy of my latest design, waiting for the slow cure epoxy, a slightly more accurate moulding process closer to my actual design and I can't wait for spring and after work sessions again but I'm not sure what can be my next design challenge because I like my last two designs so much already. I have contemplated my own range including fuselage too but the day job brings in the money and to go commercial is not really my skill set, I am much better at designing in many fields than at the repetetive nature of running a business.

    • @OCEANBOUND1
      @OCEANBOUND1 12 днів тому

      sup bud! glad yr digging this one too! I do think wingtips have a lot to do with the ride, because things can vary a lot from shape to shape. but thickness and flex have a lot to do with it as well. lots of people are gravitating to thinner, more efficient foils these days. I take it they are trying to make them as stiff as possible, but thin means more flex. I like it, it's springy. and the higher aspect ratio, the more flex you will probably see. thinner and higher aspect ratio isn't always a bad thing. the new EagleX or like the Code foils are great examples of high aspect rations that can still turn and perform. but you do kind of learn after a while ways to make specific foils turn better... so I do think a lot comes down to skill. and you mention drag vs stall seed compromises and whatnot... it's been pretty interesting to see what companies have been evolving to in the past year or so. Armstrong has the new HAs which are much flatter in the middle, that's glide and pump, and the wingtips then are angles down more farther out, but that still gives it a nice turn and a little more stability. they have maximized everything (you didn't mention camber, but that's a big change to theirs) that their foils do except it took some speed out of the top end. I tried hard to push the speed on my 580 yesterday and only got it to 25mph, where my MA800 has no camber and I can get it to go faster. man this stuff is so interesting. I'm jealous you are making foils... that's the ultimate learning experience right there. people like me, just have to try and tune in to as many foils as possible to study their habits. i love a good challenge. hope all is well bud, I wish you an awesome weekend!

    • @fluiditynz
      @fluiditynz 12 днів тому

      @@OCEANBOUND1 Thanks, Looks Like I have to wait at least another week for wind but every morning it's a little lighter. Meanwhile my annoyance at not getting out on the water converts to curiosity about what else I can make. I have a very small under camber concave on some of my wings but I usually fair it out with filler on the 3D printed models before I get around to making moulds off them. Anyway, designing can be part of the experience, very nice to ride my own gear but I have nothing on your level of skill wingsurfing and you set an example for a large proportion of us foilers that pushes all of us a bit more.

    • @OCEANBOUND1
      @OCEANBOUND1 12 днів тому

      @@fluiditynz ​​⁠ aww well thanks for those words!! I’m finding all the work going into paddling very rewarding… days when it’s blowing 14 I’d rather be out paddling unless there were waves. So you could always make a pump foil! Teehee. Thanks bud, I wish you an awesome weekend!

  • @bobkowalski4153
    @bobkowalski4153 16 днів тому

    What's your weight? I am 19bs and considering the 85ML for winging only but I fear it will get too long at 6.5. Can't get smaller as we only have light winds.

    • @OCEANBOUND1
      @OCEANBOUND1 14 днів тому

      Sup bud! I’m 77kg or just under 170lbs. The 75 is a great size for me. It is about a foot longer than my v1FG board but it doesn’t feel too long. I think mine is 6’1? No regrets here, I love it.

  • @fleetrico
    @fleetrico 16 днів тому

    Nice pass tacks Dude ! I Think your RC surfer needs a mini wing , micro OCEANBOUND Tee shirt and a gopro vid

    • @OCEANBOUND1
      @OCEANBOUND1 12 днів тому

      yes!!! I just acquired it, tanks to my buddy Dylan. it already has a gopro mount on it. I'll see if we can get him all branded up and will take him out soon :P

  • @chucklescnc
    @chucklescnc 16 днів тому

    880 and dart are so smooooth

    • @OCEANBOUND1
      @OCEANBOUND1 16 днів тому

      So smooth! I love riding chop and small waves with it, it does it all!

  • @christopherbenham
    @christopherbenham 17 днів тому

    @OCEANBOUND1 qq: all tbinfs being equal, if you were going to get one of these SK8s as a daily driver, knowing youd be in some big swell occasionally, do you think the 850 is the size you'd go with?

    • @OCEANBOUND1
      @OCEANBOUND1 16 днів тому

      that's a tough question, but for me I'd say the 850. it seems to go fast enough to keep up with groundswell, still turns and carves beautifully. I know that 750 would be totally awesome but there would be some days where it'd feel kinda small. my friend bought a 750 as his one sk8 and he doesn't use it as much as he thought. I think if he got the 850 he would be out on it more. if all goes well, I should have the 1150 to demo in the next month, stay tuned!

    • @christopherbenham
      @christopherbenham 16 днів тому

      @@OCEANBOUND1 thanks man! Keep up the awesome videos and stay stoked!

  • @seanholahan8101
    @seanholahan8101 17 днів тому

    What's the difference between the new and old m1? Just the handles? Thanks!

    • @OCEANBOUND1
      @OCEANBOUND1 16 днів тому

      as far as I know, just the handles. I'm gonna try to reach out to Sam and see if I can get a few questions answered before I put out a review, this is on my list. thanks bud, I wish you an awesome day!

  • @youdigsurf
    @youdigsurf 17 днів тому

    Damn jeremy this ml seem pretty cool 👌🙏 i’ve seen people using it in surf foil , seem the most polyvalent board on the market tbh. Ps : next test cloud IX foil on sup foil and wing ?

    • @OCEANBOUND1
      @OCEANBOUND1 16 днів тому

      sup bud! yeah it def crosses lines all over the place. I'm stoked to try to paddle it on a glassy day. and yeah, Cloud IX would be sweet. two local friends rip on them... I'll see if I can do a video where we swap and I can get some first impressions. fun fact: I used to ride Cloud IX and they were the first foils I winged with before I moved to Armstrong. but those low aspect surf wings I rode are a world different that what they have going on now. I'm keen to try them, I'll make it happen!

    • @youdigsurf
      @youdigsurf 16 днів тому

      @@OCEANBOUND1 cloud IX people seem to really enjoy then in australia for surf foil related activity, i spoke to a guy that tried a lot of gear and told me they were the best for surf foil.

    • @OCEANBOUND1
      @OCEANBOUND1 16 днів тому

      @@youdigsurf I can imagine. back in the day (like 5 years ago) they were the best out there IMO for surf. new designs look like they are fast, efficient and carve well. my friends rips on his! I'll try to make that happen soon.

  • @AkSeapilot
    @AkSeapilot 18 днів тому

    Good video. Like the others I am quite interested in learning back pass tack. How much of the challenge was just getting used to waist leash vs wrist? Would love a video on your experience learning the back pass tack or just your tips having learned it. Also curious about the 85 ml. But just spent my money on 80fg at 93 kg. Primarily wing on 107 dw and love it for Alaska. Because I can’t count on the wind to always be consistent and do more slogging than I like. 80 is for storms here or travel to destinations with reliable wind like La ventana. Will you stop using fg?

    • @OCEANBOUND1
      @OCEANBOUND1 18 днів тому

      sup bud! still learning! I tried like in an earlier session like 3 times, but this sesh I tried maybe 40-50 of them. so this is pretty much the first session. I ended up making over 50% of them, way more near the end for sure but I think I nailed my first 2 or 3 in a row. I haven't watched any how-to videos on them, so maybe I'm missing technique, but for me the most awkward part was grabbing the wing with the second hand and lifting it back up. you could definitely practice the pass on land to get some feel for it. but nothing beats actually doing it cause there's more going on in the maneuver than a regular tack and you just need to get used to it. getting used to the wing leash change wasn't that big of an issue, but sometimes it can get annoying cause I find the wing leash migrates under my knees when I'm getting back up. but I'm getting used to moving it out of the way every time. that is the worst of it, and I don't see any other issues, so it's not that bad. will I stop using the FG? probably. I bought the 75L so it could replace my v1 75L FG. I almost bought a v2 70 FG and then these ML's came out. It's cracked so many times and in different places, my new goal is to drill some holes in the back to try to let water out, I'm so curious if it's holding water or not. after that I may just plug it up and either pass it on to a new guy for like $200 or donate it to a community boating program. unless my son gets interest in the next few months. I'm not in a rush to get rid of it but the ML gets up to speed faster and I don't mind the extra length so that's gonna be my daily driver. thanks bud, I wish you an awesome day up in Alaska! fingers crossed I get to wing up there some day!

    • @AkSeapilot
      @AkSeapilot 18 днів тому

      @@OCEANBOUND1 great job in your progression and thanks for the feedback and tips. I didn’t get past all the tangling because I’m so used to using wrist leash now. But I started on a waste leash so I’m sure I could get that figured out sooner or later. I had an interesting path in that it took me two years to get my first jibes. And first day on heel side tacks then figured out toe side. Then lost heel side on my bad side. The end game on the back pass would be just what you said. Someday tacking onto a wave or wake and surfing out of it. Inspired by your video. Let me know when u decide to come to Alaska. Skagway was 37 knots yesterday. All day at least 25-30.

  • @alfskaar489
    @alfskaar489 18 днів тому

    If this works with Foil Drive gen2 this will probably be my next board the Armstrong 75L ML, I’m 87kg and 92.5kg with gear. 🙂

    • @OCEANBOUND1
      @OCEANBOUND1 18 днів тому

      yeah I think it'd work great. you could prolly even go with the 85L and make things a little easier. I think if I had FD that would be my ideal setup. LMK if you go there and what it's like!

  • @stokedforsuccess100
    @stokedforsuccess100 19 днів тому

    Rockstar status 🤙

    • @OCEANBOUND1
      @OCEANBOUND1 18 днів тому

      woot woot! thanks bud!! I wish you an awesome rest of your weekend!

  • @robadair
    @robadair 19 днів тому

    Great vid man, that board looks sweet. Congrats on the paddle up! That shit is hard!

    • @OCEANBOUND1
      @OCEANBOUND1 18 днів тому

      thanks bud! so nice to finally be getting things up to foil, even if the flatwater paddle ups is mostly a party trick. but my legs are burning like crazy pumping, so I have so much work I can do build stamina. and it blows my mind the 75L can get paddled up! I can't want to try this in waves. thanks as always Rob, I wish you an awesome rest of your day!

  • @wingfoilrentals
    @wingfoilrentals 19 днів тому

    Seems like you’ve hit the biggie time Jeremy. Brands seeking you out. Well deserved. Best reviews with concise explanation on the internet. Please keep it real or better to not post. And no taking holidays if it’s to pass it off as a review 😂 instant fan kiss of death

    • @OCEANBOUND1
      @OCEANBOUND1 18 днів тому

      Thanks bud, I’m just being me so that’s the plan!

    • @wingfoilrentals
      @wingfoilrentals 18 днів тому

      @@OCEANBOUND1 me too 😉 very keen to hear about the 75ML with the 680 (as that will translate to 85 and 780 at my weight) It would be great to see that compare vs the duotone midlengths. Not buying the hype from either brand until real world reviews are in Cheers 🥂

    • @OCEANBOUND1
      @OCEANBOUND1 16 днів тому

      @@wingfoilrentals right on! I should have an FOne ML coming in the next few weeks, I'm not sure what size they will be sending but I'm hoping something close to my 75L. I'll see if my wing dealer is thinking about getting any Duotone, that would be my deciding factor.

  • @fluiditynz
    @fluiditynz 19 днів тому

    I've never done a foiling tack and I'm sure you are doing your pass behind one as a personal challenge but somehow it looks more manageable to me?, maybe because of it's lower centre of gravity.

    • @OCEANBOUND1
      @OCEANBOUND1 18 днів тому

      It’s hard to tell, to me the regular tack when you push the wing forward and upwind of you seems easier. Maybe cause you see the wing the whole time? That said, I started nailing these on day one but I did already know how to tack. But tacking took me like 1000+ tries. So regular tacking seems easier but maybe I should have started with these! lmk if you start trying these first and they come easy! Thanks bud, I wish you an awesome day!

    • @fluiditynz
      @fluiditynz 18 днів тому

      @@OCEANBOUND1 Thanks. I expect I'll get it some time, I'm no talented whizz and getting older but still optimistic.😅

  • @cheynedowsett
    @cheynedowsett 19 днів тому

    I saw the you had to replace a lot of fuses? Im thinking of swapping to Armstrong to try the ha's, is there a way to stop the fuse wearing? Is the pump a lot better than on a sk8? Awesome reviews, cheers

    • @OCEANBOUND1
      @OCEANBOUND1 19 днів тому

      @@cheynedowsett hi!! I’m on my 3rd fuse in going on 4 years. So I upgraded to the v2 as soon as it came out, and then just upgraded again. The one thing I can recommend is NOT to wiggle it when you take it off. I didn’t know that for the first year or two, and the more you do that the more it can wear down the corners. If you are careful of that it should last a long time! I decided to get my current fuse cause I upgraded to the new HAs and also getting into DW so I wanted to start fresh.

    • @OCEANBOUND1
      @OCEANBOUND1 19 днів тому

      @@cheynedowsett oh and yeah, the pump is def better. That’s where these things are in their prime. Sk8 is prolly faster.

  • @pheelers1831
    @pheelers1831 19 днів тому

    That wing looks sweet but holy is that expensive! Love how the bladders are kept separate. Board looks great too, congrats!

    • @OCEANBOUND1
      @OCEANBOUND1 18 днів тому

      Yeah it’s def a unique wing, so far so good. And yeah, it’s def expensive. I’m thankful they helped me out on it. Board is awesome. Another thing that hit me at the right time in my progression. Stoked! Thanks bud I wish you an awesome day!

  • @seanscott321
    @seanscott321 19 днів тому

    Damn man, I've been looking at either the new DW or ML board as my nexy big purchase, this vid is kinda pushing me towards the ML even though DW is probably going to be a major focus for me this year

    • @OCEANBOUND1
      @OCEANBOUND1 19 днів тому

      If DW is the focus, def get a DW board! Or consider the 85L of these maybe? But my DW is 107L and I wouldn’t go much smaller if you are serious about paddling. It was hard at first and some days in big chop it’s still a little hard paddling but I feel like it’s finally pretty good for my skill level.

    • @seanscott321
      @seanscott321 19 днів тому

      @@OCEANBOUND1 I was looking at the 85, I’m 80kgs myself and thought the extra volume might be useful. Do you think you could have gone larger for your DW board?

    • @OCEANBOUND1
      @OCEANBOUND1 19 днів тому

      @@seanscott321 yeah def could have gone to the 120ish. It would have helped with stability for sure.

    • @OCEANBOUND1
      @OCEANBOUND1 19 днів тому

      @@seanscott321 you can try my 75L whenever.

    • @seanscott321
      @seanscott321 19 днів тому

      @@OCEANBOUND1 thanks man, I’ll definitely take you up on that one of these days, I just got a ha1180 and I’m super curious how it would pair with ML

  • @grahamreed8443
    @grahamreed8443 19 днів тому

    Yew! Nice paddle up btw!

    • @OCEANBOUND1
      @OCEANBOUND1 19 днів тому

      Yeeeooowww! Thanks! You know how it goes… I had the footage and was so stoked, I had to work it in. But it’s awesome that it’s part of the paddle club. I can’t wait to try to surf with it, both with a paddle and prone. It’s gonna get a lot of use! How is yours? 55L right?