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@@ytpowerman5000 John Cena?! You mean the tall sailor dude at the end? I can see the resemblance! 😂 I added that QTE at the end for that exact reason, kind of a nasty joke on my part 🤣

Added on the archive! Kind of a mess to navigate through, but you should find them. 😬 drive.google.com/drive/folders/1tdAFwtYUQITQh7GN789pQDMqTxpp85aV

​@@RichardPayne5thanks i already check, all of that voice...😁

I’ve already answered your other comment, but on the topic of “spamming throw moves”, only Demon Drop can truly be spammed due to enemies lacking an “escape action” (in Shenmue 1 only). Even with that, spamming the move is not exactly easy. If you time it just a split second too soon or late compared to how I do it, the throw will fail and Chai won’t be affected, leaving you open to his counterattack. I wouldn’t recommend trying to mimic what I do in the video, but instead go for a more pragmatic approach. Read my other comment for some general hints you might want to keep in mind when fighting Chai.

There’s no difference in difficulty between all versions of the game. Chai always acts the same way no matter which version you play, but there’s RNG involved, and so he can either spam his strongest moves multiple times or spam his weakest moves multiple times or a mix of both. Not much you can do if, say, he always uses his jump throw or his somersault kick, but thankfully Ryo has constant health regen, so I’d say that’s still not a huge problem. I can see why you’d think “he’s easier in my video”, but the reason is simple. My video compiles 6 of the best fights I had at that time. For “Best”, I mean I both play well and get lucky with Chai’s behavior. There were dozens of fights I didn’t include where I got hit too many times or did not utilize the moves I wanted to showcase. If you find it hard to successfully hit him, you’re not alone. His behavior and hitbox are a pain to deal with, especially if you’re also having trouble with the combat system. I had another person ask me for some useful general tricks to know against Chai, so I’ll repost my answer here. --- If you’re looking for more general tricks to know when fighting Chai, here’s a bunch of them that come to mind. 1 - Rely on the Guard button. Evading is not easy, while blocking is much more effective and will grant you plenty of opportunities to dish free damage to Chai. You can’t block everything of course (Chai’s throw moves come to mind), but most of his moves can be blocked and punished if you’re ready to strike immediately after blocking. 2 - Use Demon Drop and Darkside Hazuki. These are the only throw moves Chai can’t escape, so if you’re good at throws, you might want to go for them if you see an opening. 3 - Prioritize leg moves. Try not to rely too much on hand moves, since Chai can counter most of them with a counterattack unique to his style (he can’t counter Elbow Assault and Rising Flash). Crawl Cyclone in particular is one move Chai often gets caught off guard from, due to its round hitbox. Other moves I’d recommend: Side Reaper Kick, Hold Against Leg, Mud Spider (though it leaves Ryo open at the end), Brutal Tiger (only if it’s the untrained/beginner form of the move), Katana Mist Slash, Rising Flash. 4 - Use Dark Moon (especially if you had it trained to moderate level). This leg move is one of Ryo’s strongest moves for damage output and also has the unique property of knocking Chai down if it connects. Granted, Chai usually dodges it since it’s kind of a slow move, but it's worth going for it every once in a while. 5 - Drag out armlock to recover health. While situational, there may be times when you’re trying to use a throw on Chai and you will instead armlock him (long story short, the game defaults to the armlock if throw fails and Chai is using a compatible hand move). If that happens, it’s a good practice to "kick around". Using those kicks (the ones Ryo can only use during armlocks) will prolong the armlock's overall duration, allowing you to recover more health. Don’t use them more than twice though, otherwise Ryo will knock down Chai with his Elbow Strike, and you will have less time to recover health.

I'm sorry. I don't feel comfortable talking with strange men. Bye.

I can see where you’re coming from, but what you’re saying isn’t 100% correct. In this game, there’s no way to block from behind (there’s no action for it in the code and it wouldn’t make sense either), and Chai is no exception; so if you somehow get behind him and attack before he’s able to dodge, it’s a 100% guaranteed hit (same applies for Ryo). Now as for Chai not blocking my attacks at the start, the reason is pretty simple: if you watch carefully, you’ll see Chai was in the middle of his own attack! In Shenmue (and most fighting games I presume), you can’t attack and block at the same time, so you’re potentially exposing yourself to damage every time you go for a move. In the video, I take advantage of the fact Chai is in the middle of his “2 punches 1 kick” combo and strike him with a well-timed Katana Mist Slash. Immediately after that, he yet again goes for an attack, his Jump throw move to be exact, which I interrupt with Hold Against Leg (remember: he can’t block it because he’s in the middle of his own attack). Obviously, you need skill, knowledge, and luck to pull this off, and timing is key to whether your move lands before Chai’s move connects. When I made this video, I wanted to show off the new “infinite combo” I had discovered, and fought Chai for hours until I got this very lucky attempt, where I’m able to initiate the combo almost immediately. Obviously, in a common scenario Chai wouldn’t give you two openings at the start of the fight, plus nailing that Hold Against Leg after his Jump throw is so incredibly hard I’m not ashamed to admit it was just a fluke. This video is not exactly a guide on how to beat Chai (title is a little clickbait I know…), but rather a showcase on how you can destroy him with the infinite wall combo. If you’re looking for more general tricks to know when fighting Chai, here’s a bunch of them that come to mind. 1 - Rely on the Guard button. Evading is not easy, while blocking is much more effective and will grant you plenty of opportunities to dish free damage to Chai. You can’t block everything of course (Chai’s throw moves come to mind), but most of his moves can be blocked and punished if you’re ready to strike immediately after blocking. 2 - Use Demon Drop and Darkside Hazuki. These are the only throw moves Chai can’t escape, so if you’re good at throws, you might want to go for them if you see an opening. 3 - Prioritize leg moves. Try not to rely too much on hand moves, since Chai can counter most of them with a counterattack unique to his style (he can’t counter Elbow Assault and Rising Flash). Crawl Cyclone in particular is one move Chai often gets caught off guard from, due to its round hitbox. Other moves I’d recommend: Side Reaper Kick, Hold Against Leg, Mud Spider (though it leaves Ryo open at the end), Brutal Tiger (only if it’s the untrained/beginner form of the move), Katana Mist Slash, Rising Flash. 4 - Use Dark Moon (especially if you had it trained to moderate level). This leg move is one of Ryo’s strongest moves for damage output and also has the unique property of knocking Chai down if it connects. Granted, Chai usually dodges it since it’s kind of a slow move, but thanks to the arcade being tiny and narrow, you can get lucky and hit him anyway, allowing you to go for wall combos and dish out even more damage. 5 - Drag out armlock to recover health. While situational, there may be times when you’re trying to use a throw on Chai and you will instead armlock him (long story short, the game defaults to the armlock if throw fails and Chai is using a compatible hand move). If that happens, it’s a good practice to "kick around". Using those kicks (the ones Ryo can only use during armlocks) will prolong the armlock's overall duration, allowing you to recover more health. Don’t use them more than twice though, otherwise Ryo will knock down Chai with his Elbow Strike, and you will have less time to recover health.

Thank you! Shenmue is truly a one of a kind when it comes to this. It does adventure, life simulation, free roaming, worldbuilding, it tells an intriguing story... and also manages to offer an incredibly rich, yet simple combat system. Yeah, it can feel a little clunky and dated on some aspects nowadays, but there's no other game that has the courage to do all these things at once and execute them so well, especially when you consider Shenmue's 1999 release. It's a shame there aren't nearly enough fights throughout the game to truly make the combat system shine. 💔 If you'd like to learn more about Shenmue's combat system, please check my other Shemmue videos. Thanks for watching! 🙇‍♂

Oh really?! Thanks buddy, means a lot! 💘I can't deny this run is a personal favorite of mine too, mainly from an emotional point of view. I remember screaming in happiness like a child when I got it just a year ago. 😂 Karl's 2:29 is probably my favorite run from his records (first sub 2:30 ever performed, plus epic fighting against the bosses), though I can't say I have an exact list in mind. I just enjoy all runs unconditionally, especially considering when they were achieved and the story behind them. In fact, 2:53 by afterblue is also one of favorites for this very reason, because it was THE run that truly made me get into the 70 Man Battle speedrunning. I owe a lot to him and Kenjito Master for shaping my love for the series. 🙇‍♂

@@RichardPayne5 LOL... screaming like a child😂😂 this made my day.. But anyway you two Are legends, And previous legends like you said that, Afterblue, kenjito master? And who else.. when I visited Thatsmekarl's channel It turned out that he only Played 8 Months ago, And did Speedrun, and why do you need so many years? Is that Difficult?

​@@ArmBreakFire1234 One other player I wish we knew more about is a Japanese guy called “Kazemaru”. He was on top of most of the official Shenmue Passport leaderboards (the one hosted by SEGA in the early 2000s), boasting a time of 2:56 for the 70 Man Battle, a world record which stood until late 2019! I’d love to learn more about him, find about if he’s still passionate about Shenmue, how he used to play the 70 Man Battle back in the day etc., but could not find a single trace of him online. I don’t know when exactly Karl started playing. Supposedly, he already knew about Shenmue and he probably already had a grasp of the combat system, but it’s clear he practiced really hard to get to this level so quickly. Obviously, he learned most of the speedrun tricks from Kenjito, afterblue, and me, which streamlined the process, but that doesn’t make his efforts any less impressive. When I started in late 2019, afterblue was my only “competition” as Kenjito had already gone MIA some time before, and the route and strategies used to be different and, in general, much slower. It’s only in mid 2020 that I discovered the Wall Glitch trick, which opened the door for massive amounts of time saved, but in return it made it much harder to complete a run, as the Wall Glitch relies mainly on luck to succeed. When the Wall Glitch became a thing, afterblue decided not to use it (he probably deemed it too annoying, can't blame him for that!) and kept playing with the old-school strategies, leaving me as the only true speedrunner. Naturally, without competition, I had no rush to grind the 70 Man Battle record, hence why I took my time achieving faster runs. I'll also add that, despite my best efforts, I was never able to attract more players, something that discouraged me from posting more of my runs, eventually leading me to focus on other stuff. It’s only in late 2023, not even half a year ago, that I learned of Karl, and soon after, he was the new record holder. That single-handedly reignited my passion for the 70 Man Battle and got me back into it, hence my two new records in the span of a couple of months, only for Karl to get the record back! Now, this is fun! With that said, getting these kinds of times is by no means a walk in the park. Perhaps it may look easy, considering most enemies die in one hit and the bosses seem to go down in a couple of blows, but in reality, it’s much more complex than that. I won’t go into detail on why it’s so difficult to achieve these times, otherwise we would be here for a year, but let's just say we make it look easy. You should give it a try one of these days, it's the best way to test how it works.

@@RichardPayne5 i have read all of them, this is really fun, i would like to see you post more of your runs, so Shenmue is not a boring game. And can I watch you both run every month😹.

Hi there, I talk specifically about this from 11:59 to 13:03. In a nutshell, if you're playing on the HD remaster you can only use Method #1 and Method #3 and you must avoid chaining moves directly after throws, grabs, and armlocks, as they will go right through the opponent due to a bug. To make an example, you can use this combo at 2:55 - Gut punch counter + Tornado Kick - but you can't use the one at 3:15 - Gut punch counter + Arm Break Fire + Shadow Reaper + Hold Against Leg - because Shadow Reaper won't connect after Arm Break Fire (throw move) due to the aforementioned bug exclusive to the HD remaster; you can get rid of Arm Break Fire and just use Shadow Reaper right after Gut Punch counter, and that will work just fine though. ✌ As a rule of thumb, try removing throws, grab actions, and armlock actions from the combos I show, and there's a good chance they will work in the HD remaster, albeit less damaging and impressive. 😓

so unbelievable that you take time for every comment and answer every question that is unbelievable thank you for that

@@Owieidj3iei Ahaha no problem! I'm just happy to help in any way I can. If you have any other questions or doubts, ask away! ✌

Ok Thanks

But one question I have is is the 70 man fight optional or story and how do you get the tornado kick?

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Well.. Lol I still remember when he chased your record in 2 days😂.. and got that 2:29 right🤔.. don't take too much my friend this is also a new piece of yours maybe better than his run maybe now he's tired what he wants to surpass his record?. Btw I just recently started playing Shenmue on PC but I don't know when I want to start it..

@@user-nm3nu7nt1g Thanks man, you’re right in saying our runs aren’t too far off from each other. Mine is arguably better for the most part, especially how well I deal with the mob, but Karl’s final segment is way, way better than mine. His has to be the cleanest Pedro fight I’ve ever seen with the Single Wall Glitch strategy, lasting only 17 seconds VS the usual 22-28 seconds it takes with standard luck and execution. If we could somehow fuse our runs together, that would make for an unprecedented final time! 🤩 I do wonder if Karl is going to keep going or not. 2:24 is already pretty crazy, but knowing the guy…he might actually go for sub 2:20! I’m honestly pretty content with my time and may take a break for a while, but I also want to give it a shot! 👊 Happy to hear you started a new Shenmue file! Is it the HD remaster or the Dreamcast version emulated? I can send you one of my 70 Man Battle save files if you want to skip the grinding and jump straight to practicing. ✌

Thanks buddy! That's a good question... I was so determined to reach the top earlier that I completely neglected to look into the opposite scenario. 😬 Unfortunately, I can't say for sure what would happen, but I do remember the game eventually warps you to the final segment if you just stand there doing nothing, with Joy saying something along the lines of "What are you doing, Ryo? We need to hurry, otherwise Wong..." and Ryo saying: "Yeah, you're right. Let's go". I could be misremembering though, so I'll have to take a better look at this. Will update you once I get around to doing that. Thanks for the comment! 😁

Hey man, yes you can play Shenmue 1 & 2 on PC without emulation! SEGA released an HD remaster collection in 2018 for all modern platforms. Just search for "Shenmue HD" or "Shenmue I & II" on Steam or Humble Bundle if you want to play it on PC. About question 2, yes and no. Once you beat Shenmue 1, the game will ask you to create a "Clear Save", which is used to transfer data to the second game. In addition, you can replay the 70 Man Battle in "Time attack/Time Trial" mode, which is the same as the story fight but you race for the best time, and Guizhang is not present. Just load up the game, then (on Dreamcast) go to "Options", "70 Personal FREE battle" and select the save you want to play it with. You can't replay anything else other than this fight, but it's still a cool addition.

@@RichardPayne5 many thanks dude!!! man i am a maggot for clear the shenmue 1 and not know about that!! i just create a clear file to play shenmue 2( and again dont work because i using diferents emulators(maybe)(shenmue 1 dont remenber hehe but i stop use this emulator because ryo have only half face(scary lol))(shenmue 2 Red dream , only bugs on audio )on the shenmue hd the audio data is in english?on shenmue 1 i played the USA version and i dont find the japanese version, shenmue 2 i played in japanese. i love shenmue because the game teach me how to translate english and is the unique rpg about martial arts game with free battle system and a little word: i think you are more cool and your videos are better than shemue dojo( sorry for my english, i can read and hear with predict explosion, but my writing is a bull shit domo arigato (hazuki style reverence) from brazil 🐒

@@oziriscercal No problem buddy, don’t worry about your English, I can understand you perfectly! I’m honored to hear you think so highly of my videos. 🙏 The guys at Shenmue Dojo cover a variety of topics I wouldn’t be able to do justice like they do, and they’re also way more consistent and hard-working than I am. 😅 That’s why I really appreciate them taking an interest on my content and sharing it over their channel. In any case, what matters is we keep sharing our passion for the Shenmue series so that SEGA & investors know there’s still a huge fanbase out there. 🔥 What emulator are you using? For Dreamcast, Flycast and Redream are the most reliable these days and they only suffer from minor graphic and audio glitches. The Shenmue HD remaster has both English and Japanese audio, and you can switch between them in the options menu! The only gripe is the audio quality is worse, but you get used to it (or you can fix it by modding the game on PC, Shenmue Dojo has a guide on modding on their channel). For a convenience standpoint, Shenmue HD is by far the best version to play today! Do give it a try! 😊 Yeah, I also really appreciate Shenmue as a learning experience for English and Japanese. There’s so much interesting dialogue to go over and study, it really feels like you’re not just “wasting your time” while playing! 🤓

Thanks Richard,i use Red dream but occur áudio bugs. but i Will play the 2 games again and try the mods of guizang training and the other facing ryo father. I like if you say were i can take these mods. Again (hazuki style reverence) Valeu cara!!!!você é muito maneiro ✌💪👍👊🌅🔥🔥🔥

@@oziriscercal No problem man. Keep in mind some mods are made for the HD PC version only, while others are made for the Dreamcast version only. About the "Guizhang training" mod you've mentioned. Are you talking about the "Ryo with Swallow Diving Style" mod I posted a while ago? I never provided a download link for that one I'm afraid. I have a "better" alternative though: a "Play as Guizhang in 70 Man Battle" mod I released at the end of 2023 on my Twitter. All info and download link (google drive folder) in my tweet -> twitter.com/Richard_Payne5/status/1741512715133165899 Installation is kind of tricky unfortunately, but it was the only legal way to release the mod. In short, you'll need to patch a copy of "Shenmue undub: definitive edition" (undub dreamcast mod). Carefully follow the steps detailed in the "readme" file to mod your own build of the game. Remember to make backups of your files! As for the "Father VS Son" mod, maybe you're referring to Bluemue's Shenmue II mod? That one is also not available for download as far as I know. Too bad, because I really wanted to play it too, but he never shared it. I could probably remake it someday, but I'd need to learn more about how Shenmue II works.

Do it! We could really use more players in this category. With enough time, practice and patience, anyone can do this. When I started in late 2019, my best time was 3:39 and couldn't see me get past 3 minutes. 😛

Thanks buddy, yeah I'm definitely savoring the moment! 😎 Been dreaming of a sub 2:30 run since 2021 🙌🙌

@@RichardPayne5 Nothing like a dream coming true. You made the Hazuki Style proud with this one.

Thank you so much for the support Terry! 🙇

Thanks buddy, glad to hear you enjoyed the run! 😊

Thank you so much Karl! You are one of the reasons I've finally joined the sub 2:30 club, as I felt satisfied with my 2:33 time and probably wouldn't have tried this hard had you not started posting your own runs and achieved your world records. When I saw you achieve 2:26 with such incredibly smooth gameplay and beautiful execution of the strategies, I knew I wanted to do the same, or at least achieve sub 2:30. ❤ Before pulling off this run, I'd got a dozen of sub 2 minutes 66 defeated runs, but they all died against Pedro (some of them being featured in "Ryo's dream" at the start of the video 🤣). If it weren't for him, we'd achieved sub 2:20 a long time ago. Seriously, screw that guy! 🤬 In the end, I got incredibly lucky with this run, especially with the final guy using the quick KO animation instead of the super slow one, which would've lost at least 1 second, and we'd be looking at a 2:26.50/70 now. 😅 For now, I think I'm not going to bother with new attempts for a while. I know you're trying your best to achieve sub 2:25, so I pray you can get the necessary luck to make it happen! The faster our runs get, the more ridiculous it becomes to pull the whole thing off from start to finish. 😵

@@RichardPayne5 thanks friend about my impiration to you,, I just recently started running for a while all the ending lost badly against pedro..😅.. no wonder he always uses Bsmove attacks! which annoys even worse about jump kick or clothline punch not to mention the move that doesn't notice "hold octopus and I don't know what the name of his move is like "Tengu Drop" but the shenmue 2 version. BTW payne can I ask the version of Flycast you use with full screen without black gaps if you can send your flycast file to me and I can't find a clue on the web... I've done various things but none of them worked.. I had to edit my video and always crop it, but it's more difficult because I edit on a smartphone and don't understand editing on computer..

@@thatsmekarl5365 Yeah, I totally get where you’re coming from about Pedro. That jerk loves to spam his 4-5 OP moves every time you get a fast-paced run. Between the Drop Kick, the Elbow Strike/Clothesline-like attack, the Octopus Hold, and the “Spear” charge attack, I wouldn’t know which move I hate the most. If Ryo didn’t have health regen, I could see people getting stuck in the 70 Man Battle for hours due to how strong and unfair Pedro is. About Flycast, we can give it a try if you want, but I can’t guarantee you it’s going to work. The problem is I mostly use Flycast through “Retroarch”. I don’t know if you know about it, but basically it’s an “emulator manager”, for lack of better words. If you want to use my Flycast build, you will need to download and set up Retroarch on your PC. In any case, this is my Flycast: drive.google.com/file/d/1SXcd9XgVUh6EBD45k5-SRGbKU4HVhVR7/view Assuming you have Retroarch, I suppose all you need to do is grab the Flycast dll file I’ve uploaded and put it in the “cores” folder found within “Retroarch”. I can’t guarantee settings will also carry over, as I suspect they’re set in a different file. You’ll also notice I use an older version of Flycast. I’ve tried updating to the newest version in the past, but as soon as I do that, Shenmue runs much worse! That’s why I’ve sticked with this build from 2022. Let me know how it goes. 😬👍

@@RichardPayne5 nahh.. it didn't work at all but I thank you for your help payne!.. I already tried Retroarch setup and flycast etc. but failed for widescreen, what could be the problem of my small monitor. but I already found the Flycast version which is superior and the Fps doesn't drop at all.. btw payne I have reached 2:25.76💀 but can't beat your record at all... don't forget to watch it at 6:20pm in the evening.. And I don't, Do you know what time it is? in europe at that time. maybe not the same time in southeast asia?..🤔

@@thatsmekarl5365 Yeah, I figured it wouldn't work. It just couldn't be as simple as that. 😅 You did manage to find a Flycast version that works for you, did I get that right? Man, you've already got a sub 2:26 time?! Crazy! You may not have beaten my time now, but your next one is almost guaranteed to do that, considering there's only a gap of 0.20 between our runs. 😂 My timezone is UTC/GMT +1 (Central European Time), while yours is probably GMT +6/7/8, so your video should probably pop up at around noon/lunch time in Europe. Will definitely give it a watch!

Ah thank you so much Adam! 💘

Hi, yeah the game can be harsh when it comes to accepting inputs so it’s not surprising. If I had to think of a reason why you can’t get it to work, maybe it’s because you’re forgetting to press the Run button to get closer after using the gut punch counterattack. Are you using the run button (like I showcase at 3:34)? Or are you going straight to Shadow Blade after Corner Drop? If you’re wondering why running is such a big deal, it’s because the game only accepts throws when you’re as close to the target as possible, otherwise it will default all throw inputs to a grab. In your case, if you input Shadow Blade right after Corner Drop, Ryo will most likely be just a little too far from the opponent for the game to accept Shadow Blade and Ryo will 99% go for a grab attempt instead. That's why I mention "RT" in the button string at 3:34. I hope this helps. If this is not the case, let me know and I’ll try and help you identify what’s not working. 🙏

@@RichardPayne5 Thanks for the reply! I mapped shadow blade to L2 as I was having trouble doing it manually. I do the corner drop,then shadow blade and immediately do elbow assault but it goes right through the enemy.😕 Maybe I should keep practicing the timing it manually? I could rarely get the shadow step timing manually because after I would run I get the collar grab even though I was close.

@@darkknight_8891 Oh, now I see. Not only have I misunderstood your question, I’ve also somehow skipped the part when you mention you were playing the HD remaster. Now it makes perfect sense!... but prepare to be disappointed. 😟 Short version is - you’re not doing anything wrong. The modern HD releases downgraded some aspects of the combat system: some tricks can’t be used anymore, including the Shadow Blade combo you’re trying to get. That's the gist of it. 😶 Long version is - Elbow Assault goes through the enemy after Shadow Blade because the HD port suffers from bugged collision, with some of the hitboxes being completely absent (not sure what’s going on behind the scenes, but it’s clear something went wrong when d3t ported the game, but SEGA never bothered to listen to feedback, so the code never got fixed and there you have it...). This affects mostly throw moves, hence why you can’t hit the enemy with Elbow Assault after Shadow Blade. 🤦‍♂ I mention this shortcoming in the “Tips and oddities” section of the video from 12:00 onwards: “You can’t combo after throws, grabs and arm locks”. This means “Method #2” is completely useless in the HD remaster, while “Method #1 and #3” are stilll usable, but limited as you can’t chain throws with anything. I even make fun of this at 12:56 when I say “no cool Shadow Blade combos in HD. :/”, as they’re my favorite too. 💔 I know, this really sucks, but there’s no known fix to this. Not even modders were able to come with a solution on the PC version, at least as of the time of this comment. The only way to use throw combos is to play on the original Dreamcast version. 😕 Even with that, if there's anything else you need help with, let me know! ✌

I've reached the point where I call Chai "Gollum", and Gollum "Chai" 🤣

As a kid I called him the local crackhead

Thanks buddy, that’s also one of my favorite parts, as it’s very rare for the Elbow Assault to hit Pedro during his Drop Kick attempts. Usually it either misses or you get hit before you have the chance to go for it. That’s one of the reasons I’m still fond of this run all this time later. ❤

@@RichardPayne5 Thanks for comment, this is also one of favorites to be honest i keep replaying that, i also want to start new challenge... but will it be as good as karl...

@@user-nm3nu7nt1g Hey man, I say go for it! It’s a lot of fun to learn the strategies and find ways to save seconds and achieve better times! Karl’s time is almost unbeatable (I’ve been trying since late January but all my WR pace runs have died against Pedro), but you never know, you might just do it with enough practice and patience! If you need any help, you can count on me! By the way, I love your time trial comparison videos! Looking forward for more. ❤

​@@RichardPayne5 yeah,, he made two Record in a few days he is really really crazy.. btw i don't know the 3:10 move you do after cyclone kick is it big wheel or mistral flash it seems like a pain to do that scene.. even dangerous. . Btw,, i will do it new challenger even look funny to chase Record and being champion😂 Edit btw its on your Run 2:33.70 i talk about.. After cyclon kick and what that move big wheel or mistral flash?

@@user-nm3nu7nt1g Nice, good luck with your attempts! Sub 3 minutes is the first main milestone you want to aim for. Once you achieve that goal, it will get progressively harder and harder to save seconds, due to how random the fights can be at times. In my 2:33.70 run, I start with Cyclone Kick, followed by Big Wheel (trained), then Cyclone Kick again, then I go for Tiger Storm but it fails (Ryo performs a grab attempt instead) as my alignment was incorrect. From there, it’s all improv, trying to deal damage to Pedro and getting rid of the other guys, while waiting for another opening for the Wall Glitch. Normally, I’d start with Cyclone Kick, then Dark Moon (trained), then either go for Tiger Storm if alignment is correct and glitch chance is high, or use other moves while waiting for a better opening. However, the final fight against Pedro is not as simple as I make it out to be. It’s important to know Pedro can dodge or block whenever he feels like it, and he can even attack you before you have the chance to use Cyclone Kick, meaning it’s completely random whether the strategy will work, hence why getting a record has become so hard. Let me know if you need any help learning the strategies, like the Demon Drop spam, or the Wall Glitch. 🧐

I reckon that could be achieved, but only by someone with extensive knowledge and experience on Shenmue modding. The hardest part would be to figure out a way to force the game to trigger these moves, plus doing that without breaking other moves in the process. 😬 I’ve had some success porting existing NPC moves to Ryo’s moveset, but that would always cause other moves to glitch out or straight-up not work anymore, not to mention game crashes (a lot), so I'm still far, far away from achieving a "move restoration" kind of mod. I don't see myself making any more progress on this in the future, but maybe someone more talented could find a way. 🤔

@@RichardPayne5 Wow! thank you for the detailed explanation! I I've always wondered how that worked, well, aside from say, old joker codes back in the day.

Thanks Sean, happy to hear you enjoyed the fighting! Like in all fighting games, it’s all a matter of putting the time to learn how the game behaves and expects you to behave. It’s no easy task, especially when Shenmue doesn’t offer a single tutorial to get you started, but eventually you start developing patterns and everything starts to click. The armbar is part of a throw move called “Arm Break Fire”, which is divided into 3 parts: Part 1 (Right, Left, Left, Throw button -> Circle on PS4 and B on Dreamcast) makes Ryo perform an elbow strike to the ribs; Part 2 (Punch button -> Square on PS4 and X on Dreamcast) makes Ryo grab the opponent’s arm; Part 3 (Punch button + Kick button -> Square+Cross on PS4 and X+A on Dreamcast) makes Ryo execute the final arm lock extension. The full button string is therefore this one - Right, Left, Left, Throw [1] | Punch button [2] | Punch button + Kick button [3]. Inputs must be pressed in order and timing is not super strict, though the move will end prematurely if you take too long to execute the string, or you make a mistake. Say you input Part 1 and 2 correctly but then screw up Part 3 by even a single button, Ryo won’t do the flying arm bar. As for the knee + spinning back kick, are you referring to this combo at 4:25 5:59? The knee strike is an action you can only perform by grabbing the opponent. The button string for grabbing and using the knee attack is this one - Evade button + Throw button [Grab action] | Kick button [Knee strike]. The spinning back kick is called “Brutal Tiger” and comes into two variants. The one I use is the “base” form, but there’s a different form that unlocks once you train the move to “moderate” level. The two versions are very similar and both work for this grab combo. The button string is - Right, Left, Punch button + Kick button. So the full string is Evade button + Throw button [Grab action] | Kick button [Knee strike] | Right, Left, Punch button + Kick button [Brutal Tiger]. The tricky part is grab action, as you can only grab opponents when they’re “vulnerable”, similarly to throw moves. It’s kinda difficult to explain it in words. In the video, I exploit the very end frames of the “standing up” animation, during which enemies are vulnerable to throws (learned that while testing strategies). The time frame is very short, so any sooner or later and the grab will fail. I hope I didn’t misunderstand your questions. Thanks for commenting! 😎

Thank you so much for your reply, I will look at your tutorials and hopefully pick some of it up, thanks once again, your a legend 👍

Hi, the fonts I use are from the Dreamcast version of Shenmue. I don’t remember where I got them from, but you can find them on this thread from the old Shenmue Dojo forums under section “Fonts and Misc”. "Shenmue I Assets Catalogue" from the old Shenmue Dojo forums → www.shenmuedojo.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=50118 At 3:52, I photoshopped the “2:32.90” text out of the frame, then recolored it red, then overlayed it on top of the video turning it on and off every 4 (I think?) frames. It’s a pretty common effect, but I did it as a nod to Crash Team Racing, a game I used to do time trials on back in the day.

@@thatsmekarl5365 Shenmue Dojo contacted me about a year ago asking me if I’d be willing to let them post my videos on their channel too, as they apparently really liked them. Being a Shenmue fan and having always relied on their site for news, content, and discussions, it was a no brainer for me to accept. 😬 I’ve been sharing my videos with them since then, hence why I’m also trying to put more effort into the editing. If you’re interested into doing the same, you could try and hit them up on one of their social accounts. They’re always eager to share more content that depicts the series on a positive note, so I can see them taking an interest in your new record run. 🙏 As an alternative, you could look into posting your content on other platforms, such as reddit, the Dojo forums, social networks and so on. 🤔

@@thatsmekarl5365 Whaaaaaatt? Your run has been claimed? UA-cam makes zero sense. Hope you’re able to get it sorted out. 🙏 Don’t feel bad about your editing, we’re not professional video makers after all. What matters is we put our heart and love for Shenmue into it, and you’ll see the community will recognize our efforts! 👊

​@@RichardPayne5 what kind video editor did u use? And what kind photoshop do u use for red flash font...

@@ArmBreakFire1234 I use Shotcut (free video editing software) to edit footage and Adobe Photoshop 2021 for miscellaneous additional editing, such as the flashing red text we’re talking about here.

That's very interesting! I used to play Tekken a lot as a kid but never got huge into it, so I didn't know there was a term for this kind of combo. Thanks for sharing! ❤

I really, really don't believe in Karl he can pass the 2:30 wall! And a very historic run to shenmue. maybe he was too obsessed with miracles. he did less than a month. But I hope you succeed Richard Payne to join the 2:30 club.. but no matter what Richard payne is still the best And karl is Master shenmue copycat.😂

@@user-nm3nu7nt1g Ah thanks buddy, warms my heart knowing you think so highly of me, I will try my best to hit the goal too! 😎 I’ve come close so many times I’m confident I can do it. It’s just a matter of finding the time and patience to go through the process, and of course Pedro needs to chill out and stop dodging Tiger Storm. 🤬 Honestly, when I started this channel my goal was not only to show off the skills I’d developed during my play time, but also inspiring other people to do the same, learn more about Shenmue’s combat system and, even better, start doing their own runs in the 70 Man Battle. Karl is the very first person I met that did exactly what I imagined 4 years ago, going as far as beating my times and getting the record. Yeah, his style is very similar to mine, but we all have to start from somewhere. It could be argued that my style is a copycat's too, seeing as I was inspired by TheKenjitoMaster and afterblue. Now that sub 2:30 has been accomplished, it will be interesting to see where we go from here. As crazy as it sounds, sub 2:25 is hard, but also doable. Judging by how skilled and passionate Karl is, I could see him go for that as the next goal! However, it’s perfectly understandable if he decides to stop for now. He deserves some rest after what he did! 👏

@@thatsmekarl5365 No worries Karl, it’s been a pleasure to help you out on your journey! Discovering your channel and seeing your skills and times slowly develop to where they are now have been a blast to follow. I’m proud of you buddy! 😎 About Ryo’s model, the thing is there are more than 10 different models for Ryo, which the game uses in a variety of different scenarios (for example, Ryo without his jacket, used when sparring with Fuku-san, or Ryo with his jacket but without shoes, used when walking through home etc.). The infamous passport model actually only contains Ryo’s face and some of the torso (albeit, with incredibly high poly count), while everything else simply doesn't exist (because those parts of the body were never meant to be used and thus shown). With some clever modding, it’s possible to create a new model for Ryo (I can’t do it but other people have succeeded) which uses the passport data and combines it with the default model to create the ultimate Ryo! The problem is almost all of the Dreamcast RAM gets filled just by loading that model, thus causing the game to struggle to load all other data (map, other models, textures, audio and so on) and, in most cases, freeze. The model I use in this video (which is also featured in the image I’ve shared on my drive) is Ryo’s high poly FREE battle model with high poly hands attached. Normally, a low poly variant of Ryo’s would be used in the 70 Man Battle, but nothing bad happened when I forced this "HQ" version to load, so I figured this was the best model I could get to work without making the game lag or, even worse, freeze. 😛

I can see why you’d say that, but actually we’re just using the fastest route and best techniques to try and save as many seconds as possible, hence why our playstyle is almost identical. 😅 I myself have been playing for years and have contributed to some of the strategies we use today. For example, the Wall Glitch tech was something I found by accident in 2020 and have since implemented in the main route we use today. Before that, we used to just fight BOSS 2 and BOSS 3 as normal or with the Demon Drop spam. The main route we use and most of the knowledge do come from other Shenmue runners, (mainly "TheKenjitoMaster" and "afterblue"), who were playing the 70 Man Battle even before Karl and I did. Thus our runs are the result of many people’s knowledge and experience with the game’s combat system. 🧐

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Thank you Karl! I will admit, I probably never would have achieved this time if it wasn’t for your record giving me incentive to go back to the 70 Man Battle. Luck played a huge role into this too, as you probably realize how incredibly lucky I got at the end with the double Wall Glitch (so many things could have gone wrong and they didn’t!). I have to be honest and say this run was just a fluke and I could never replicate this strategy again without getting lucky again! 😵 Don’t feel discouraged to keep trying when you feel like it. You have the skill and the knowledge, just like me. I wouldn’t use the double Wall Glitch unless you’re on a bad pace and you want to try your luck. It worked for me this time, but it never worked in the past. 💀 As much as it pains me to say it, all we need is RNG to cooperate and Pedro to go down as quickly as possible, something we have zero control over. We could even reach sub 2:20 with these strategies, all we need to is to play well and get lucky! 😖

​@@RichardPayne5hey payne i want to analyze your (3rdpb) 2:01 run. wow that's crazy even recently i didn't chase that run.. let me analyze this solid run...

@@thatsmekarl5365 Hey Karl, go right ahead if you want to, but honestly, there’s not much to analyze. I just play well and get lucky throughout the run. Pedro’s segment was the crucial moment in the run, as it could have definitely gone a different way and I could have got a sub 2:30 there, but history says otherwise. 😞 I start with Darkside Hazuki… kinda regret not going for Cyclone Kick and hoping to get a lucky Wall Glitch out of it, but I do damage Pedro and defeat the two nearby opponents in-between with Dark Moon, so maybe it was the right play. From there, I try to use Vortex Throw to throw Pedro in the opposite direction, which is where the “best” wall is, but my alignment is off and Ryo performs a grab attempt… luckily, Pedro uses one of his weaker moves and offers me another opening straight after; too bad he decides to dodge that Vortex throw attempt. Then, Ryo target-switches from Pedro to the other guy, resulting in Surplice Slash aiming at the wrong target and me getting hit by the BS Drop Kick… I should have seen that coming, but I didn’t, and lost precious time. At this point, I try to salvage what I can and go for a in-between Cyclone Kick with the intention of hitting both Pedro and his last minion, but I end up only hitting Pedro, while the other guy manages to hit me for just a matter of frames… I counter with Windmill, but I really should have gone for Rain Thrust instead, as Ryo doesn’t recover fast enough for me to block or dodge Pedro’s Drop Kick. Yet another small mistake. Now that only Pedro remains and the run is almost dead, I decide to bait Pedro into the Wall Glitch zone myself. I perform a 180 and somehow dodge Pedro’s Drop Kick (that should have definitely hit me), then bait him near the boundaries and Pedro falls for it. The Wall Glitch setup could have worked, if only Pedro didn’t dodge yet again. That’s where the run truly died. I do end up successfully using the Wall Glitch + Demon Drop strategies, but it was too late. 💀 These are my two cents on what I think is the highlight of this run, for better or worse. 😭 EDIT: Almost forgot. Since getting this 2:01 failed run, I got many sub 2:00 runs, with my new best 66 defeated being a 1:57.66 time! Too bad Pedro never seems to cooperate, but I do play my role in these failed runs too. 😟

@@RichardPayne5 tq payne.. but with a 1:57 run really really crazy.. and i know why it didn't reach sub 2:30 and so know how pedro didn't cooperate😅. And I myself want to reach that fast time of 1:57.. but I can't find the way.. there are two problems between boss 2 (stickguy) being defeated in 1:17. I'm lucky enough and one of the biggest pitfalls is the segment before Pedro also with pedro it's also a big problem if the wrong move like you said in the 2:01 run starts "Dark side hazuki" and everything is messed up.. Btw i will try my luck and you too.. Good luck👩‍🎤

Ryo does take training very seriously! If he truly shares a bond with Akira from Virtua Fighter, albeit spiritually, then we can be sure he's destined for greatness! 🥋

@@RichardPayne5 Btw, you should upload a 100% walkthrough of Shemue Definitive Edition with all the right choices and fights with no damage.

@@Monhamd1000 I can see myself making a video compiling all FREE battles (optional fights included), but I’m not interested in the prospect of making an entire walkthrough, as I’d rather focus on the combat aspect of the series, which is one thing not many people have made videos about. Maybe in the future 🤞

No worries, this is 100% non-canon! It was all for the noble cause of glitch science 😅

The combat does take some getting used to, and it doesn’t help that there’s no true practice mode (sparring doesn’t count) to let the player get accustomed with it beforehand. Admittedly, you don’t have much time to strike back when blocking, because Ryo is indeed stuck in the blocking state at first, but usually you’re able to get a move out before the enemy recovers. Counter moves are only available with ducking, and they’re highly recommended as most of them are incredibly OP. Chai is frustrating because he’s an actual threat compared to all the other pushovers Ryo fights throughout Yokosuka. He blocks a lot, dodges a lot, escapes throws at random, has several moves that are difficult to deal with, does high damage very quickly, has an odd hitbox that turns some of Ryo’s strongest moves ineffective/hard to use effectively, and the list goes on. Blocking does work great against him, but the time you have to punish him is more demanding (for some reason). Take too long and there’s a good chance he will block or dodge out of the way. 😬

@@RichardPayne5 Interesting. In terms of simulation, some randomness and changes to how the mechanics work against Chai makes sense, but in terms of player experience, it's an unusual, kind of cryptic way to do things. Thanks for explaining.

Glad to hear you liked the inclusion! That's exactly what I thought too. I remember thinking: "This kind of feels like playing a true 3D Streets of Rage game!". Being a huge fan of both series, and being Yuzo Koshiro involved in both Streets of Rage and Shenmue, I knew I couldn't go wrong! 🤩

@@RichardPayne5 Yep. And you know, this got me thinking, just like they did Streets of Kamurocho, where they made the first Streets of Rage 2 stage with Yakuza characters, it'd be cool if they did the same thing with Shenmue characters. It could have Ryo and Guizhang as playable characters, fighting against the Mad Angels game, based the 70 Man Battle. I wish SEGA did something like that.

@@gr8gmr That sounds like a brilliant idea, a “Streets of Yokosuka” kind of game would be an instant hit! It’s too bad SEGA is completely blind in this regard and will never give Shenmue a proper chance again… I hope I’m wrong but I can’t see them making anything Shenmue-related that’s worthwhile.

@@RichardPayne5 Well, we'll see. With this new Power Surge they have with their classic IPs, maybe there will be some hope in something Shenmue related.

Thanks buddy! As a guy who only first played the series in 2018 with the HD remasters, the 70 Man Battle blew my mind and really ignited my love for the OG combat system. Most enemies have indeed very low health and go down in one shot, even when using Ryo’s weakest moves, while others have slightly more health and only select moves will take them out in one blow. This is all stuff I take into account when doing time trials. The barrel/crate strategy is something I’m not sure the developers intended, as it always does the same damage (albeit very low) no matter how slow it’s going, but it's always a blast when you get it to work! Too bad these interactive objects only appear in a couple of places and then disappear entirely from the series...

Are you saying you want to lower the BGM volume? If it's on Dreamcast, you can't do anything about it, as the Dreamcast version lacky any kind of audio customization. You could in theory achieve that by modding the game files directly, but it would be a hideous task. 😵

@@RichardPayne5 so how do you do like your run in that video.. which has no music. did you replace the music from a file like flag of lions or orchestra earth and sea.😂

@@thatsmekarl5365 In my last run, I indeed modded the game to play no music and put my own music through editing. The process is not particularly complicated, but it’s pretty long and requires multiple softwares. I could write a quick guide on how to do that if you want, or alternatively, I could send you a modded build of the game if you tell which Dreamcast version you're currently playing. 😉 OT: Happy New Year man! May 2024 give us both a new Shenmue game and a SUB 2:30 run 😂

@@RichardPayne5 I feel interested in this modder, 😲 but all I need now is to remove the music, it might be a bug, because the sound is too loud, and the bass is destroyed😂 , so what is the tool? maybe if it's that long it might be difficult, I play undub version from River Stone Happy New Year 2024👩‍🎤 too Master of Shenmue combo, 👍 can't imagine we all played in 2018, and my old laptop played dreamcast emulator in 2017 with full bug, fps drop, heat😂 we all need to pass sub 2:30 and i need to pass 2:35😂

@@thatsmekarl5365 Thanks buddy, hopefully we will surpass the 2:30 boundary, but Pedro needs to stop ruining runs and be a pal for once! 😂 Since you’re interested, I’ll look into writing a guide as soon as I get the time! It’s not difficult at all, but it does require multiple tools to make it happen. About the sound glitches you’re having, have you tried changing the audio driver in the emulation environment you’re using? In Retroarch for example, I found “xaudio” to be the most accurate and the others somehow make the audio worse. In Flycast standalone version, "sdl2" is the one I use. Wouldn’t know about redream. Can’t guarantee it will work, but it’s worth a try. OT: On a side note, not sure if you follow me on Twitter, but I've released a "Play as Guizhang in 70 MB" mod, compatible with the Shenmue undub Definitive Edition. Check it out if you're interested! Play as Guizhang: x.com/Richard_Payne5/status/1741512715133165899

Chai is lucky Ryo knew when to stop. If he'd kept going for as much time as he usually goes when buying capsule toys, who knows if Chai would have even left the arcade alive?! 😂

Can't blame you for that, I'm also not a fan of how the combat "evolved" in Shenmue 3. I understand they didn't have the rights or budget to use the Virtua Fighter engine or even a recreation of it, and I also understand why Suzuki went for that empty, oversimplified system for Shenmue 3 (apparently it would drive new players unfamiliar with fighting games to play the game...), but let's just say it was a failed experiment. If Shenmue 4 ever becomes a thing, they must scrap this shallow system and build a new one that more closely resembles one of a competent fighting game.

I don’t think those are supposed to be muscles. It’s implied that he has health and mental issues and lives in poverty, so it wouldn’t make sense for him to be buff.