I reckon that could be achieved, but only by someone with extensive knowledge and experience on Shenmue modding. The hardest part would be to figure out a way to force the game to trigger these moves, plus doing that without breaking other moves in the process. 😬 I’ve had some success porting existing NPC moves to Ryo’s moveset, but that would always cause other moves to glitch out or straight-up not work anymore, not to mention game crashes (a lot), so I'm still far, far away from achieving a "move restoration" kind of mod. I don't see myself making any more progress on this in the future, but maybe someone more talented could find a way. 🤔
@@RichardPayne5 Wow! thank you for the detailed explanation! I I've always wondered how that worked, well, aside from say, old joker codes back in the day.
That’s right! At the end of the day, Suzuki-sensei and his team decided to recycle as few elements and animations from Virtua Fighter as possible, making Shenmue’s FREE battle system stand out on its own! 👊 OT: I absolutely love your TASes, maina! Used to be a huge Tekken 3 fan as a kid (not a particurarly good player though 😅), so I'm always blown away by your genius when I watch one of your Tekken TAS runs! Keep up the awesome work! 👏
Thank you for commenting, I truly appreciate the kind words! 🙇 Seeing as all these animations had yet to be documented in a video before, I still can’t thank LemonHaze enough for allowing me to use his animation-viewing tool! Before that, I was glitching and hex-editing the game with little to no results, so this video was really only possible thanks to his knowledge and kindness. I’m currently working on a Part 2 of this video. I can’t tell when it’s going to be finished, but I hope it’s going to be just as interesting. 🙏
A fascinating showcase. Ryo's spoken parts are also hilarious! It is cool to see mouko-kohazan ["fierce tiger running up a mountain"], which is the move that the martial arts director for Shenmue mentioned in an early interview I translated recently on the blog. He said "The famous technique called mouko-kohazan is also included, almost in its original form. It will be a little while before we'll be able to use it in-game, though".
@@RichardPayne5 Yes, I suppose at the time they might even have been thinking of including it for a chapter later than 2. Would have been neat to see it used in Shenmue 3!
It was a pleasure! After witnessing these animations for the first time, I knew I had to find a way to share them with the community. Took me 2 years, but it was totally worth it! While “Byakko Soushouda” didn’t make the cut in the first game, Ryo does learn a slightly similar move in the sequel in the form of the “Twin Palm Thrust”. 👊
Interesting video! I remember LemonHaze talking about these animations, It's nice to see someone making a video on them. It's no surprise that there are so many VF3 leftover animations considering Shenmue I and II were built on top of VF3tb's engine. That's a lot of kicks at 4:40 to 6:28 some backturned kicks from VF and lot of rising kicks (the ones you can do while getting up in VF) The Knee move at 7:21 is shared by various characters since VF1 until VF4Evo, the characters that used that knee animation were: Jeffry, Wolf, Jacky, Sarah, and even Akira for his 1 Frame knee. Currently the only character that has that animation in latest game "Ultimate Showdown" is Jeffry. Also this move shows up in both Shenmue I and II as "Against Cascade" but the animation we see here is only used for the Shenmue II version of the move. I wonder if Shenmue I and II could also have scrapped VF3 animations inside theirs files, there were a good number of moves in Beta versions of Virtua Fighter 3 which didn't make it into the final game, it could be possible some of those moves ended up in Shenmue some used and others unused. I wonder if other characters might have unused animations aswell, Master Baihu moveset's is pretty much just VF3 Lau, anyway nice video! I can't wait to see part 2!
Interesting observations, thank you for pointing these facts out! I think you’re the first person acknowledging Against Cascade’s animation changes between Shenmue I and II. Which version is better is up to debate, but Shenmue II’s version looks indeed closer to how it’s portrayed in VF3. This video was based on Shenmue I HD only, so there’s a good chance there might be more unused VF3 animations hidden inside Shenmue II HD and all the OG versions released for Dreamcast and Xbox. Problem is, accessing those leftovers is going to be next to impossible without a proper tool being built for it, so we can only speculate on that for now. Regarding NPC characters having unused animations, I did find a handful of well hidden, unused moves and poses meant for Guizhang, just days before publishing this video. This, and that random back low kick being usable if you mod Fuku-san’s moveset on Ryo (which I also found out by accident just two months ago…) tells me there may be more moves we do not yet know the existence of, waiting to be rediscovered! 🤞
3:36 Would have loved to learn “Unseen Elbow Strike” that’s a badass move right there 😁 4:14 - shun di? Lol 6:03 - don’t know how enemies would have dealt with this move 😂 Amazing work Richard! 🙂
Thank you Richard! 🙇 Yeah, that badass elbow strike is definitely one of the highlights of the video, it looks so cool, I just wish they'd included it somehow. By the way, I’m not even sure it was supposed to be a hand move too… it might have actually been a throw move, but I couldn’t find any “knockdown” animation connected to it. Judging by the stance Ryo takes at the very end of the animation though, we can safely speculate it was a move meant for him! Nice catch at 4:14! I wanted to include that “kick” somewhere in the video, until I eventually added it to that segment as a funny twist! Totally agree at those back kicks at 6:03. Having them as an option to attack foes behind Ryo would have been a blessing, especially in the 70 Man Battle time attack mode. I guess they do look a little too OP! 😅
I think some moves have "ERROR" in their name since they seem broken to some extent Like at 5:06 for instance, if you advance the video frame by frame, you'll see that Ryo's hand ends up next to his other one, going through his chest Same goes for 5:36 where many things happen, Ryo's position moves for a frame/a few frame being the most noticeable one
The broken look on some of the animations may have been caused by me freezing Ryo’s position in place (otherwise he’d have constantly moved out of the picture during recording) and forcing them to play out of their intended scenario, hence the weird body clippings. The glitchy warp effect at 5:36 may be a sign of an animation scrapped early on in development, which would make sense considering most are VF leftovers. As for why some moves are internally called “error”, I still wonder about that. These error-flagged motions usually cause the game to crash instantly, so I was surprised to find a few, like the one you pointed out at 5:06, which still worked.
@@RichardPayne5 Oh I see, interesting Hmm, wonder if they were broken in an earlier build then fixed for some reason, it's what makes the most sense to me at least, following that logic Side note: Discovered your channel only recently, really amazing work
6:32 a goofy-looking kick. The kick used in karate and taekwondo a lot. Yet it has a lack of power but can be executed as fast intercepting kick) 7:50 yoko geri keage 8:21 yoko geri kekomi
Thanks for the insight! Though I love the world of martial arts, I’ve never practiced any style and I’m completely ignorant on the subject too, so I decided not to get into the technical side too much. 😅
@@RichardPayne5 You're welcome😄 But you have a great understanding of our favorite game. So leave the analysis of the techniques to us. 😀 Ryo really shows a lot of beautiful blows from different martial arts, there was even one from capuera)
@@ChairFace770 Some of them are kind of "easy" to get down, but others are just insane. Windmill is one of them, but Dragon Spin and trained Mud Spider also come to mind. Guizhang's kicks are pretty tricky too! 😬
@@RichardPayne5I don't know why, but my last message disappeared. Did I do anything wrong?))) I shared a link on yt video with Tony Jaa performing dragon spin)
Thanks! Yup, Part 2 will focus on throw moves and other miscellaneous stuff! I’ve already started working on it, but it’s still in very early production. I’ll do my best to complete it by the end of the year, though that will depend on how much time I’ll be able to spend on editing. 😓
Looking at some of these reminded me of unarmed fighting in GTA Vice City and the unexplained fact that Tommy Vercetti, an italian mobster, knows karate for whatevee reason
Tommy knows karate? I always thought he was just throwing random punches and kicks, never gave me the impression he was proficient. I can kinda see how some of these animations would remind you of Vice City though. 😂
@@NiCoNiCoNiCola Maybe so, but to be honest I always felt the GTA series was never meant to be taken seriously. Tommy himself is capable of ridiculous feats, such as running without ever getting tired, outrunning even some vehicles, destroying vehicles with his bare hands, surviving direct hits from rocket launches... and yet he can't even swim! How does that even make sense?! If we put it this way, his "proficiency" in martial arts is the least weird aspect about him 😂
@@RichardPayne5 he can't swim just because Rockstar didn't code in swimming in time. Then again, any powerful being must have a downside of it's own. For Ryo: it's making a normal conversation, for Tommy: it's water
Pardon me… but what do you mean with “why unused”? 🤨 These are indeed “unused moves” which were left inside the final game, though it’s up to debate if AM2 ever meant to include (some of) them in the game or not. 🤔
@@SHUYAgaming No worries, I understand your point, but I’m pretty sure you’re getting confused. The moves I show in the video cannot be used in Shenmue I (100% confirmed): some of them come from the Virtua Fighter series (at the time also developed by AM2) and were probably never meant for Ryo, but maybe for testing purposes; others are 1 - animations that resemble moves Ryo can use in the final game (but are not the same), or 2 - completely original moves which never appear in the game, or only appear in Shenmue II. That should help clear up any confusion the premise of the video might have caused. 😉
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1:57 This move will be used against Lan Di in the final battle of the series, calling it.
It would be insane to mod in the virtua fighter moves into Ryo's moveset.
I reckon that could be achieved, but only by someone with extensive knowledge and experience on Shenmue modding. The hardest part would be to figure out a way to force the game to trigger these moves, plus doing that without breaking other moves in the process. 😬
I’ve had some success porting existing NPC moves to Ryo’s moveset, but that would always cause other moves to glitch out or straight-up not work anymore, not to mention game crashes (a lot), so I'm still far, far away from achieving a "move restoration" kind of mod. I don't see myself making any more progress on this in the future, but maybe someone more talented could find a way. 🤔
@@RichardPayne5 Wow! thank you for the detailed explanation! I I've always wondered how that worked, well, aside from say, old joker codes back in the day.
If it was really "Virtua Fighter RPG", it would be like this!
That’s right! At the end of the day, Suzuki-sensei and his team decided to recycle as few elements and animations from Virtua Fighter as possible, making Shenmue’s FREE battle system stand out on its own! 👊
OT: I absolutely love your TASes, maina! Used to be a huge Tekken 3 fan as a kid (not a particurarly good player though 😅), so I'm always blown away by your genius when I watch one of your Tekken TAS runs! Keep up the awesome work! 👏
It's unbelievable at how much content was packed into shenmue. It's like every year there's something new being discovered with these games!!!!
Yup, it’s truly astounding. No matter how much time passes, the game won’t stop surprising us with discoveries!
@@RichardPayne5 hey please, now parte 2 WITH counterattacks and grabs, parrys, that Will be GREAT!!!!
Brilliant, thankyou.:)
Thank you for painstakingly going through all the animations and putting this all together for all shenmue fans.
Thank you for commenting, I truly appreciate the kind words! 🙇
Seeing as all these animations had yet to be documented in a video before, I still can’t thank LemonHaze enough for allowing me to use his animation-viewing tool! Before that, I was glitching and hex-editing the game with little to no results, so this video was really only possible thanks to his knowledge and kindness.
I’m currently working on a Part 2 of this video. I can’t tell when it’s going to be finished, but I hope it’s going to be just as interesting. 🙏
A fascinating showcase. Ryo's spoken parts are also hilarious! It is cool to see mouko-kohazan ["fierce tiger running up a mountain"], which is the move that the martial arts director for Shenmue mentioned in an early interview I translated recently on the blog. He said "The famous technique called mouko-kohazan is also included, almost in its original form. It will be a little while before we'll be able to use it in-game, though".
Wow, that’s amazing. So that means there was a point when they really wanted to include it in the game. I wonder what made them change their mind. 🤔
@@RichardPayne5 Yes, I suppose at the time they might even have been thinking of including it for a chapter later than 2. Would have been neat to see it used in Shenmue 3!
Ah, bummer. "Byakko Soushouda" would've been quite useful in combat. Anyway, thanks a lot for putting this video together and sharing it with us.
It was a pleasure! After witnessing these animations for the first time, I knew I had to find a way to share them with the community. Took me 2 years, but it was totally worth it!
While “Byakko Soushouda” didn’t make the cut in the first game, Ryo does learn a slightly similar move in the sequel in the form of the “Twin Palm Thrust”. 👊
It's a shame why they unused this moveset and it's cool to see that what if the game turn into beat em up game
This is another masterpiece of a video Richard!! Will definitely mention this on our next show! Great work 👏
Thank you James, I really appreciate your constant support! 🙇
As a Shenmue fan, I love this. It is clear a lot of effort and research went into this. Thanks for sharing! 🙂
Interesting video! I remember LemonHaze talking about these animations, It's nice to see someone making a video on them. It's no surprise that there are so many VF3 leftover animations considering Shenmue I and II were built on top of VF3tb's engine. That's a lot of kicks at 4:40 to 6:28 some backturned kicks from VF and lot of rising kicks (the ones you can do while getting up in VF)
The Knee move at 7:21 is shared by various characters since VF1 until VF4Evo, the characters that used that knee animation were: Jeffry, Wolf, Jacky, Sarah, and even Akira for his 1 Frame knee. Currently the only character that has that animation in latest game "Ultimate Showdown" is Jeffry. Also this move shows up in both Shenmue I and II as "Against Cascade" but the animation we see here is only used for the Shenmue II version of the move.
I wonder if Shenmue I and II could also have scrapped VF3 animations inside theirs files, there were a good number of moves in Beta versions of Virtua Fighter 3 which didn't make it into the final game, it could be possible some of those moves ended up in Shenmue some used and others unused.
I wonder if other characters might have unused animations aswell, Master Baihu moveset's is pretty much just VF3 Lau, anyway nice video! I can't wait to see part 2!
Interesting observations, thank you for pointing these facts out! I think you’re the first person acknowledging Against Cascade’s animation changes between Shenmue I and II. Which version is better is up to debate, but Shenmue II’s version looks indeed closer to how it’s portrayed in VF3.
This video was based on Shenmue I HD only, so there’s a good chance there might be more unused VF3 animations hidden inside Shenmue II HD and all the OG versions released for Dreamcast and Xbox. Problem is, accessing those leftovers is going to be next to impossible without a proper tool being built for it, so we can only speculate on that for now.
Regarding NPC characters having unused animations, I did find a handful of well hidden, unused moves and poses meant for Guizhang, just days before publishing this video. This, and that random back low kick being usable if you mod Fuku-san’s moveset on Ryo (which I also found out by accident just two months ago…) tells me there may be more moves we do not yet know the existence of, waiting to be rediscovered! 🤞
That so coool really that's a great video i really love it ❤❤❤❤
I'm a big fan of Shenmue 1/2/3 and you did a good job here.
Appreciate it. Thanks for watching!
3:36 Would have loved to learn “Unseen Elbow Strike” that’s a badass move right there 😁
4:14 - shun di? Lol
6:03 - don’t know how enemies would have dealt with this move 😂
Amazing work Richard! 🙂
Thank you Richard! 🙇
Yeah, that badass elbow strike is definitely one of the highlights of the video, it looks so cool, I just wish they'd included it somehow.
By the way, I’m not even sure it was supposed to be a hand move too… it might have actually been a throw move, but I couldn’t find any “knockdown” animation connected to it. Judging by the stance Ryo takes at the very end of the animation though, we can safely speculate it was a move meant for him!
Nice catch at 4:14! I wanted to include that “kick” somewhere in the video, until I eventually added it to that segment as a funny twist!
Totally agree at those back kicks at 6:03. Having them as an option to attack foes behind Ryo would have been a blessing, especially in the 70 Man Battle time attack mode. I guess they do look a little too OP! 😅
I think some moves have "ERROR" in their name since they seem broken to some extent
Like at 5:06 for instance, if you advance the video frame by frame, you'll see that Ryo's hand ends up next to his other one, going through his chest
Same goes for 5:36 where many things happen, Ryo's position moves for a frame/a few frame being the most noticeable one
The broken look on some of the animations may have been caused by me freezing Ryo’s position in place (otherwise he’d have constantly moved out of the picture during recording) and forcing them to play out of their intended scenario, hence the weird body clippings. The glitchy warp effect at 5:36 may be a sign of an animation scrapped early on in development, which would make sense considering most are VF leftovers.
As for why some moves are internally called “error”, I still wonder about that. These error-flagged motions usually cause the game to crash instantly, so I was surprised to find a few, like the one you pointed out at 5:06, which still worked.
@@RichardPayne5 Oh I see, interesting
Hmm, wonder if they were broken in an earlier build then fixed for some reason, it's what makes the most sense to me at least, following that logic
Side note: Discovered your channel only recently, really amazing work
6:32 a goofy-looking kick.
The kick used in karate and taekwondo a lot. Yet it has a lack of power but can be executed as fast intercepting kick)
7:50 yoko geri keage
8:21 yoko geri kekomi
Thanks for the insight! Though I love the world of martial arts, I’ve never practiced any style and I’m completely ignorant on the subject too, so I decided not to get into the technical side too much. 😅
@@RichardPayne5
You're welcome😄 But you have a great understanding of our favorite game. So leave the analysis of the techniques to us. 😀
Ryo really shows a lot of beautiful blows from different martial arts, there was even one from capuera)
@@RichardPayne5 I'm trying to recreate all kick moves irl. But some of them like windmill are really tough 🤣
@@ChairFace770 Some of them are kind of "easy" to get down, but others are just insane. Windmill is one of them, but Dragon Spin and trained Mud Spider also come to mind. Guizhang's kicks are pretty tricky too! 😬
@@RichardPayne5I don't know why, but my last message disappeared. Did I do anything wrong?)))
I shared a link on yt video with Tony Jaa performing dragon spin)
Amazing, GREAT, awesome, and parte 2 counterattacks, parrys, grabs.....
Thanks! Yup, Part 2 will focus on throw moves and other miscellaneous stuff! I’ve already started working on it, but it’s still in very early production. I’ll do my best to complete it by the end of the year, though that will depend on how much time I’ll be able to spend on editing. 😓
@@RichardPayne5 please counterattack as Ryo beat to sailor warehouse number 8 spin counter elbow and l'll suport YOU contribution YEAH please
Looking at some of these reminded me of unarmed fighting in GTA Vice City and the unexplained fact that Tommy Vercetti, an italian mobster, knows karate for whatevee reason
Tommy knows karate? I always thought he was just throwing random punches and kicks, never gave me the impression he was proficient. I can kinda see how some of these animations would remind you of Vice City though. 😂
@@RichardPayne5 I mean, he's too technical for a regular brawler
@@NiCoNiCoNiCola Maybe so, but to be honest I always felt the GTA series was never meant to be taken seriously.
Tommy himself is capable of ridiculous feats, such as running without ever getting tired, outrunning even some vehicles, destroying vehicles with his bare hands, surviving direct hits from rocket launches... and yet he can't even swim! How does that even make sense?! If we put it this way, his "proficiency" in martial arts is the least weird aspect about him 😂
@@RichardPayne5 he can't swim just because Rockstar didn't code in swimming in time. Then again, any powerful being must have a downside of it's own. For Ryo: it's making a normal conversation, for Tommy: it's water
Why unused ? 🤔
Pardon me… but what do you mean with “why unused”? 🤨
These are indeed “unused moves” which were left inside the final game, though it’s up to debate if AM2 ever meant to include (some of) them in the game or not. 🤔
@@RichardPayne5 because you can use them in the game, no ?
@@RichardPayne5 sorry I'm not good in english lol
I talk about certain mooves I see in your video that I use in the game
@@SHUYAgaming No worries, I understand your point, but I’m pretty sure you’re getting confused.
The moves I show in the video cannot be used in Shenmue I (100% confirmed): some of them come from the Virtua Fighter series (at the time also developed by AM2) and were probably never meant for Ryo, but maybe for testing purposes; others are 1 - animations that resemble moves Ryo can use in the final game (but are not the same), or 2 - completely original moves which never appear in the game, or only appear in Shenmue II.
That should help clear up any confusion the premise of the video might have caused. 😉